If the manga gets canceled, Shonen Jump should give the rights of the series back to the artist. The artist being able to go indie and keep going with a niche audience would be great for them
@@Kinoksis likely not since legal rights and everything to do with them are ridiculous hoops to jump through Btw this is JAPAN those folks at Shonen Jump would never dream of letting shit go if their "reputation" was on the line canceled series or not
Fun fact : Gege Akutami stated in the jujutsu fan book that the series was pretty unpopular with readers until chapters 9-10 , and that if the manga had been cancelled at this point Yuji would have stayed dead After sukuna ripped his heart out.
@@qukijoba5262 according to akutami's comments the editorial meeting where it was to be decided which series would continue and which would be axed happened just after the publication of chapter 10.
Damn, man. Respect there. And he even figured out a good way to not only bring Yuji back without it feeling half-assed, but also create even more intrigue for the series. Bravo, Gege.
I feel bad for Time Paradox Ghostwriter, that's a pretty textbook case of a series being pushed to the wrong audience. It could've really flourished in a seinen or josei publication, where the audience is more open to ethically dubious protagonists and more likely to appreciate its themes and ideas, but it was just never going to click with Shonen Jump's core demographic and its actual audience was unlikely to stumble across it there.
@@alicianelson1252 maybe there are some laws against making fun of other companies in Japan (I mean they have no fair use laws there so who's to say a company CANT sue your ass there if you make fun of them?) And this is, I dunno, a loophole?
Ah, yes, Red Hood. Sad loss. If I recall correctly, most of the problems actually stem from the fact that Grim was supposed to be the main character, but that was denied by Jump. They decided that only a young, cookie-cutter boy can be the main character and made the author change a lot of stuff to fit this. I also think that the training arc wasn't supposed to be there, because, you know, the main character was already a hunter, which probably hurt its chances as well. I also don't know if that ending was as much planned from the start as much as it was a bit of a "fuck you" to Jump, considering the context.
well the fact that the villain "edited " the story to change protags definetly points to that, but im not sure everything can be put on the editors , taking 3 chapters to finnally destroy the "starter town" was an odd decision that i dont think the editor would be responsible of (thought its his job to tell the author to get rid of the bloat) , the world building was great with the tank hermit crabs but then we got the training arc that messed everything up, we have yet to build the dymanic with the leads and we are flooded by new caracters. considering this was the same editor as samurai 8 ,a series bloated by exposition , maybe the editor wanted this time to speed things up (but i dont blame him for samurai 8 he could have been pressured to not mess with the vision of the creator of one of their golden goose)
@@MILDMONSTER1234 hmm he was certainly an odd caracter considering how his backstory mattered little in the plot , i also feel soul (or at least the final version we got in the manga) in some ways was also added to pander to the "classic" shonen audience , we are used to a token female lead inserted (sakura from naruto) that ultimatly accomplishes little , but in this case it was a male lead i mean soul has a brother which i dont believe we ever see and doesnt really have goals outside of being makas weapon. Death the kid i feel was the only male lead that really mattered plotwise and he was almost the complete opposite of the typical dumb extraverted hotheaded boy that makes up 90 per cent of shonen protags
Eh, Velou was still the main character in Red Hood's one-shot and it was well-loved enough to become a whole series in the first place so that's clearly not it. People really did not seen to care much about Grimm besides how big certain body parts were, unfortunately.
Honestly, I think one of the main issues of Red Hood is that despite the amazing composition, character designs, etc etc... The story simply wasn't that good? It was fine, but nothing particularly catching or poignant. People simply weren't checking in week after week except to ogle the art, but even then that eventually loses its lustre.
Time Paradox Ghostwriter is so fascinating to me because you see in each chapter how the mangaka tries to course-correct to avoid the chopping block, and in doing so it effectively turned into a meta-commentary about its own cancellation.
Zombie Powder ended because Kubo's best friend/family member committed suicide, shortly after Kubo fell into a huge cycle of depression and didn't want to continue the manga due to his negative state of mind he was in at the time 😢💔🙏
Are you sure? Kubo stated that he had issues and was writting it as he was a low point and in an interview years later that he was "not yet used to the scheduling pressures of weekly serialization" and "paid too much attention to his editor's comments rather than trusting his own ideas" but nothing on choosing to end it. It didn't do well in Japan and I can't find anything on Kubo ending it so with how it was received I can see it getting the ax for normal reasons especially since manga with better sales and commercial success have been cancelled as well.
@@timothymcleanI think it was up to Jump. Everything I've read was that it was cancelled cause it wasn't doing well. Kubo issues probably impacted its quality which probably contribute to it being cancelled but it still looks like it was Jump's choice. Jump has cancelled more successful titles. This video even names 2 of them.
I am still very sad about Red Hood getting cut so short. I really dug that world and characters. You don´t get many manga about Western fairy tales so I was really bummed out to see it get so compressed and then ended when there was a lot of potential. And I am not just saying that becaue I want Debonaire to hug me until I melt.
From what I can tell Red Hoods biggest failing was due to its more slow burn nature. The pacing dragged a bit, and not enough was given to Velou to make him interesting enough to carry the series during those slower times. It honestly felt like reading Claymore; only Raki was the main character instead of Claire. That being said I 100% adored Red Hood and was devastated when i realized the awkward pacing and twists in the last couple chapters were due to imminent cancelation and appreciated the balls it took the author to make it a meta narrative about canceled series in the final pages.
@@caosisaac Yep. Didn't help that the first chapter seemed to set up an adventure series where a wizened hunter shows a newcomer the ropes... only for the series to screech to a halt because the MC refuses the call to action, and they spend three chapters hunting wolves in the starting town. Imagine if the first chapter of One Piece didn't end with Luffy setting out to sea, and instead had him just fuck around Foosha Village for like five chapters until Axe Hand Morgan comes in, bombs the shit out of everything, and then Luffy goes after him. It just doesn't work.
@@jaybeans981 yeah pretty much. Im hindsight the author probably wanted to pull a wedtworld where the secondary character realize that there is something wrong with the hero success and shenanigans like they were scripted. A commentaru to mangas story tropes perhaps? Too bad that while art is good, pacing was terrible and panel organization was jumbled mess at timea taking two or three reading to understand wtf going on. And then there was the fucking training arc, that wanted oh so badly being Hunter X Hunter but missed what make one overlook the atrocious slow moment of HxH.
I was devastated when I learned it was getting cancelled, every character they introduced was SO GOOD and I wanted so badly to see these cool and interesting character each get flushed out and work together with all their different powers and personalities come together as a team. But none of that had the chance to happen. I don't know why it isn't mentioned more when people talk about it, the character writing is easily the manga's best feature, I really hope that the writer gets another shot so I can see more of their characters.
Man, the story was already set in a dystopian cyberpunk wasteland; all the author of Tokyo Shinobi Squad had to do was write Tokyo as one of the last few habitable zones left after we screwed over the rest of the planet and nobody would've so much as _blinked._ But no, instead we got 'yucky crime foreigners'. Amazing.
Let's be real; the political message isn't something harming an otherwise competent story, it's the *reason* the rest of the story exists. It's a little like when British officials tried to tell the confederate 'ambassador' that if they just got rid of slavery they could probably get the crown to recognize them as legitimate; yeah, it was probably possible, but it kind of defeats the point.
An anti-globalist, anti-immigration story I think could be done well, but the problem is the author beats you over the head with it. Mass migration does create a lot of challenges. Europe is having serious issues with it's migrant situation where they aren't really assimilating into the broader culture and whole cities are ethnically replaced. There is also serious issues with crime as well in a lot of migrant neighborhoods. Despite the broader public being against mass migration the out of touch societal elites such as corporations looking for cheap labor, out of touch intellectuals who don't actually experience the problems of mass migration directly, to politicians who are influence by business and intelligentsia to work against the peoples demands. In UK a big part of Brexit was to reduce immigration into the country and the political class seems to be letting more in than ever. I think a better approach and more nuanced approach is to have a bright eyed main character who thinks immigration and multiculturalism are all just dandy and realizes they present a lot of problems for a community than he realized. Make a point not to show all foreigners are bad, show mosf as being good and just wanting to make a living, but that mass migration does create a lot of problems that might not be worth it for a society. Just to list a number of issues. You can have serious culture clash where there are irreconcilable differences between different groups. For example making cartoons about the Prophet Mohammed where freedom of expression is a paramount value in the West where as among most muslims they think it is sacrilegious and should be a crime. You can have clashes between natives and migrant groups, or clashes between different migrants groups. There was a recent issue in multiple countries where gangs of migrants from two different African countries that were at war were fighting each other in the streets. A minority group the natives have no problem with, the migrants dislike. For example anti-semitism is on the rise in Europe and it isn't because Europeans are becoming more anti-semitic. Another issue is how corporations exploit migrants for cheap labor and push for more migration against the public at large wishes. Whole neighborhoods get ethnically replaced and the locals are forced out. You could show a group of out of touch activist group constantly attacking natives in favor of the migrants even when the migrants are in the wrong. There was an infamous commercial in Sweden telling Swedes have to get out of the way and make room for the "New Swedes". Also the majority of migrants tends to be men. One of the reasons the 19th Amendment was ratified was so the American born women could help out vote the foreigners. Then there is the crime. Certain migrant neighborhoods have high crime rates although interestingly enough a large proportion of crime comes from the children og migrantd who are born in that society. You could also show how governments respond to it. Such as how France is extremely heavy handed with crime and tries to suppress their religious and cultural identities such as banning the hijab, or Britain which actively celebrates multiculturalism and their police have infamously ignored gangs of migrant men prostituting thousands of underage girls because they were afraid of being called racist. There is a lot of interesting topics to explore while criticizing mass migration and globalism, but you're going to need to take a nuanced approach to it and explore those issues in depth. Not just say everything has gone to hell simply because foreigners arrived.
@ShamanMcLamie I don't fully agree with the sentiment, though I understand that I am probably less knowledgeable in this area. For myself, the recent mass immigration seems to often be people fleeing desperate circumstances, such as Syria. While the refugees themselves are not perfect, the western publics response has also felt indicative of their attitude. Primarily, I am speaking of the response to Ukrainian refugees vs. more Middle Eastern refugees like Syria. While both were fleeing desperate situations, the Western response to Ukraine seemed more noticeably positive. And that positivity is good, but the contrast to the more muted-to-negative reaction to non-white Middle Eastern refugees was...something. Now, it doesn't need to be fully a race thing, as perhaps Westerners felt more aligned culturally with Ukrainians. And as you've noted, there are many issues with mass migration, and people being used as political pawns. But that said, I still think the contrast is worth noting.
I can't believe the line "What's become of this country? So much for globalization..." came from a real, published manga and not a parody of a right wing political cartoon. Like that's the exact kind of line you'd see as a meme next to a picture of a dude dressed in a catgirl maid outfit or something.
I think it's quite dumb to shit on the manga for that line since to the MC Globalization = Rampant crime, extreme corruption, people starving in poverty and relying on vigilantes to try and keep the peace. Like seriously? Ignoring whatever political view you have it's a fact in this setting that the Globalization made MCs country a massive shitshow
I remember when Doron Dororon suddenly lurched into a war arc with little-to-no leadup, I said to myself "oh yeah, it's getting cancelled." Lo and behold, war ends, rest in peace. A sudden war arc is like one of the harbingers of the axe.
I was so disappointed that it ended. Why is it that when I decide to pickup a new manga about youkai, it gets axed prematurely. Let’s see if Tokyo Demon Bride Story can beat more then 30 chapter.
It started to grow on me as it went on, I gotta say. I think it's biggest issue was just that it didn't do enough special to compete with the other battle shonen in the magazine. It's been pretty difficult to get a new battle shonen to be successful in Jump for a while now.
Idk how early on the author knew it was getting axed but the power scaling and story beats just got out of wack so fast. Tack that on with this being probably the most trope-y shonen I've read to date and unfortunately, I can see why it got cancelled
I was honestly surprised it lasted as long as it did - it came out the same time as Ayashimon and did so much less to set itself apart from other titles in the same "Battling Youkai" subgenre. When Ayashimon got cut first I was shocked; the difference in quality between the two was pretty clear to me.
If you want to know what series are likely to get dropped I'd look at the table of content in every issue of Jump. Basically, it's a barometer for how a series is doing. The series in the front tend to be doing the best while those towards the back are struggling. Chrunchyroll has a thread in their forum with the rankings going back YEARS and while I don't think it is 1 to 1, if you look at the author comments on the Viz community tab it follows relatively closely to the order there too.
“You can’t build a career as an artist unless you know your audience and how to give them what they want.” I thought this was going to transition into an ad read. “And I know that my audience wants more g-fuel advertising.”
the loss of Act-Age broke my heart....though i certainly don't disagree with the reason it was dropped. i do hope that the artist of the series, Shiro Usazaki-sensei, finds a home someday, as she was innocent from Pedo-san's misdeeds and deserves a vehicle worthy of her mighty sketching abilities.
If I had a nickel every time a manga had a female-male duo as heroes with the much duller male as the protagonist, I’d have…well, I’m not sure how many I would have but definitely quite a few. And I feel strongly about that in regards to Time Paradox Ghostwriter. Don’t even need to really change the characters. Just imagine the perspective being the high school girl whose rich fantasy world is suddenly in the pages of her favorite magazine! Boom! There’s a weird mystery afoot whereupon there’s a triple twist that it’s time travel, the ghostwriter isn’t a bad guy just pathetic, and also he’s desperate to bring it to conclusion as he knows she will die unexpectedly young. I think the mystery and twist angle would have drawn in young readers eager to find out what all is going on but nope. The protagonist has to be the kinda shlubby manga artists proxy, apparently. That and popping it online instead would have done it wonders
You find the female more interesting because they were written by a man, and appeals to men who tend to be interested in women due to sexuality. You've only revealed your sexist line of thinking to women like myself.
Hmmm... I feel like the TPGW role reversal unfortunately wouldn't work for a few reasons: 1. The brilliance of the manga the girl creates would end up dulled significantly if they show it in detail (since the amazing things you can imagine are always better than the things you see on-page, plus it would come off as really self-aggrandizing on the part of the actual mangaka) 2. It takes away the mystery of how the girl gets the inspiration for her manga 3. It kind of takes away from the conflict of the manga itself -- "struggling artist semi-knowingly chooses to plagiarise an inspired young woman and must now keep up the charade" is a much tenser setup than "girl thinks someone is reading her mind". Manga artist dude is pathetic but he does kick off the story by making an active choice, whereas these things are kind of just happening to the girl
Staying consistent, especially alone and beginning is near fucking impossible. i cant stress it enough. weekly schedule for mangas has crushed more artists than it has ever made live from the craft. it is fucking toxic. these people put down 40+ pages were anywhere else in the world, 1-10 pages is the NORM. [that includes failures, redraws, corrections and tests, in case you're going thinking a manga is fucking instantaneously transfered from sketch to final] even with a large team it's a big task. there's never a moment to just stop, read the script, check for inconsistencies, none. it has to be written, turned into sketch, cleaned, inked and scanned, printed, then shaded, then scanned again, then sent. it's not any easier on digital: the same steps are just on a screen that's destroying your eyes. we've lost countless talents from decades of crunch. i could make a list, but i'm not going to do that, by respect to them. let's just say that passing before 57 marks serious health complications, and before 40 is absolutely work, stress and alcohol related. not that they're hard numbers. you're just not supposed to die that young, goddamnit. When people get their mangas canned and let them go, it's not just due to popularity... its because they failed to keep with deadlines, health got to them, lack of motivation... Not trying to continue on non official routes, like webcomics, is not easy (and also not a cultural habit, One is an exception). anyone who lost a job they truely cared for will understand. Once you've lost it, clawing the rights back (or going back to that place) is f-ing impossible mentally. Once you get that strength back, the chance is usually lost. that's why the doujin market exists. that's also why i avoid jump titles in general. [edited to make one point clearer, i've made a comic, during my arts studies and it clearly taught me how insane the grind is in manga, i litterally only made 24 pages starting from nothing in 6 months, and i was not happy by the results].
@@thepedrothethethe6151 yes I know but it's not 40+ pages. I'm not excusing mangaka work conditions but we don't need to exaggerate the issue, doesn't add anything to the conversation Also I should add OP I hope u don't read manga in general if you think Jump is the worst place to work lmao
Okay, I love this concept. If this is a pilot for a series about going through a Manga Morgue or Anime Archeology to grave rob or dig up some long dead manga concepts and see what we can lean from them, I am here for more!!
hikaru no go got completed. it's a out a ghost teaching a kid how to play a game called go. sometimes I say it's a serious jojo's playing a game with imposter syndrome and often gets into almost gay rivalry with another guy who's good at the game.
A heads up to the Red Hood fans in case you didn't know, physical volumes in English for the manga are being released. First volume in December and all 3 volumes will contain extras for the fans.
As a fan of Grimm Fairytales, I would've read the hell out of "Hunter's Guild: Red Hood". Also is anyone else getting strong Claymore vibes from this manga?
@@Darktusken That hardly was the mistake, the mistake was sidelining any adventure and things that could establish it and quite literally stuffing the cast into a moving iron box to do a "Exam arc" instead.
@@emetanti there were multiple mistakes, also the pacing 3 chapters to destroy the starter town wth, those you mentionned and others, but point is there were many bad decisions , i believe people liked the potential of the series more than the series itself.
I have been reading manga for years and the thing that I have always notice is once a long running manga author finished their series, they just vanish to obscurity. Like they can only make one good series and that's it, once they introduced another it gets cancelled pretty fast and I feel like the company just compares it to their previous work or expecting for it to make money real quick without seeing it's full potential.
@@kaelthunderhoof5619 On some rare cases the author's weren't able to live up to the expectations when making a new manga. Platinum End being made by the author's of Death note had people have huge expectations for it
@@teemo9141 yeah. Just like Naruto's author. This is just a common case of being known for something for so long that people can't associate you with other work.
Famous fantasy author, Brandon Sanderson perfectly describes what happened to Red Hood as giving the wrong promises. He has a very similar story where one of his friends from college wrote an incredibly good book but as somebody who's very familiar with fantasy he got bored of it like halfway through. He told his friend, oh well, it's very well written but it's just not for me and when he was asked why he told his friend that it was just a bit too generic. His friend got really bummed out and said no you don't understand that is what I'm doing: three quarters of the way through everything gets flipped on its head and you see that it's all totally different and I'm actually subverting the typical fantasy tropes and doing a really cool meta exploration of it all! The problem was there was nothing to indicate that in the first part of the book. So, if you're actually a person who really likes typical fantasy tropes or your a younger reader who's not so familiar with them that you find them boring when you get to the late game twist, you end up like "what!? I thought this was like this, but now it's all this awful, weird stuff?" or if you're somebody who's read a billion fantasy books and you find all that stuff kind of boring or childish, you have nothing to hold on to during the first part because the book is telling you it's going to be a typical sort of boring fantasy story. If you're writing a story like Red Hood or Brandon Sanderson's friend, what you need to do is plant some stuff earlier in the story, give some foreshadowing, hang a lantern on your tropes (this means to point out that you, as the author, are aware that it looks a certain way but there is an explanation and you will get back to it eventually. That way, the audience can stop worrying about it). Do something to show your audience that, yes it's going to get really crazy later! This is all just set up and please bear with me. You have to give them something to hold on to because if they're thinking it's going to be one way for most of the story and then it turns out to be another way everybody is going to be disappointed.
This is very true! You honestly have to bring the premise, the ENTIRE premise, of your story as soon as possible. A twist isn't just promising something and then pulling the rug from under the audience, and people will feel betrayed by the initial premise. I'm making a comic that's inspired by monster-of-the-week mecha stories, but I make it very clear in the very first chapter that it Isn't Just That. Hopefully people catch what I'm putting down~
And this is the genius of School Live IMO - the promotional material all sells this cutesy slice of life school story but the author hits you with the actual premise right at the end of the first chapter/first episode (in the anime). BAM, you know what you're getting now (if you didn't get spoiled before).
Some folks are asking why creators who don't succeed in JUMP don't just take their series to another publisher, and there's a looooooooot of reasons why. For one, publishing contracts will typically have an exclusivity clause that lasts a number of years, meaning the creator can't just jump ship to their competition - this is true of pretty much any comics or publishing company in both Japan and the US. Thankfully the mangaka do maintain ultimate ownership of their work, so if they wanted to and waited for the contract to run out, and could find an interested magazine, they could start over or make a sequel there. The creator of Shaman King somewhat recently started publishing a sequel series to that one at Kodansha, and they're now the ones printing and releasing the original series' collected volumes. So it's possible. But it's extremely rare that a series will maintain notoriety long enough to outlast the exclusivity and be enticing for another publisher to pick up. Another reason it isn't *common* is because there's just not a lot of business sense to it. If an artist is publishing a series in Jump, they'll already have an editor that they work with and an established relationship with Shueisha, which is more likely to help them get another series published - not necessarily in JUMP itself, but in one of their many other magazine or their online publishing. A number of authors who got cancelled in Jump went on to make successful series like that. Leaving for another publisher means cutting those ties and essentially ending any chance of doing business with one of the biggest publishers in the industry. So even if a creator is fed up with JUMP/Shueisha and want to go to a different publisher, they're better off just starting with a new idea rather than trying to resurrect a dead one. Which is why I tell folks who fall in love with a short-lived JUMP series that they should start following the creator(s) and try to support whatever they make next. I know that if the creators of Hell Warden Higuma or The Last Saiyuki make anything, I'll happily support it, and that will ultimately serve them a lot better than insisting they bring back their old works in vain.
Mazinger Z succeeded in hopping to Kodansha’s WSM (which stands for Weekly Shōnen Magazine) because it and its author were screwed over by WSJ (which stands for Weekly Shōnen Jump).
I absolutely loved Hunters Guild Red Hood. It had serious potential and I'm sure it could have been one of the great epic fantasy manga. Even with the sudden sprint to the finish line, the metanarrative twist doubled as commentary on its own (and thus other short lived Jump manga's) cancelation, and I have to respect that. Getting axed must be tough, and the creative direction the mangaka took that was executed just about as good as possible.
I buy that it was because the Editor pushed him towards doing a Training Arc early. That same Editor has had other series cancelled early and when he was in charge of MHA was when it's numbers had a noticeable dip.
Considering how rushed Dr Stone's ending was I'm starting to wonder if Jump wasn't holding the series at gunpoint because the reader numbers were starting to drop or if it's simply a case of author fatigue.
Jump has a long-standing pattern: - manga becomes popular - editors force author at gunpoint to stretch it infinitely - manga drags - numbers drop - editors force author to finish it in 2 issues without warning
@@AeonKnigh432 I personally find that it was rushed from how Senkuu interacted with the final enemy (not gonna spoil anything). You'd think that because of what they are, he'd ask more questions or show more excitement, this is a major discovery after all! But their conversation wraps up in the span of two chapters and then we get the epilogue and a bonus chapter. The arc before that was also shorter than I thought considering getting to and exploring individual locations used to take a bit more chapters even if we didn't see that much of it, so going to several? I figured it'd be around 14-20 chapters. And it's fine that it wasn't, what we were given was solid still. Just felt that some more time could have been given to individual locations.
Man it's about time Shueisha realized manga isn't as closed community as it's before like 30-40 years ago. They literally have Manga Plus as their own product example that online stuff about random genre with reasonable schedule and multi language translation is needed by lots of people. Most anticipated manga in 2020 to 2022 is published online for free without the stress of ever being cancelled because their feedback poll isn't good enough. There's like so many good title got axed early and too many title reign too long without any significant impact to the audience.
Boy if that happened the magazine would just be 20 action series of dubious quality while good series like Roboco and Akane Banashi are cancelled, no thanks.
I started reading Tokyo Shinobi Squad because the art seemed interesting, got to the point where its dystopian cyberpunk future was was explicitly blamed on *g l o b a l i z a t i o n* , closed it and never looked back. I'm glad I didn't miss much.
I read like the opening few pages before we even got to meet the MC and just closed it. It looked really cool, but if you have to start your "ninja do ninja things" story with a whole exposition on how transit and globalization is bad, i don't have high hopes for you. It's ninjas! doing cool shit! It's on the cover! Why not start with that?
This just reminded me of GATE's atrociously nationalistic author and message. They get a cool idea with good potential - modern Japan gets invaded by a fantasy army from another world, which then causes Japan to retaliate through a portal and create a foothold in this new fantasy world - and then ruin it by bringing in unnecessary (and wrong) political stuff like painting the rest of the world (especially America) as this bunch of evil, greedy sorts who want to steal Japan's rightful claim to the fantasy land (nevermind the fact Japan is absolutely decimating the medieval-like armies of the other world).
@@tyrus1235 personally i wasn't phased by what the author did since from webcomics I've read i usually expect for the author to make other countries villains.
I think it's interesting to note that the "Jump Graveyard" is, technically, once again a "consequence" of Dragon Ball. Back in the early 90s, as Dragon Ball and Slam Dunk, WSJ's crown jewels, were approaching the end, the magazine suddenly plummeted in popularity, as Shueisha was very much hesitant on giving chances to new authors and relied almost entirely on those two manga. In a panic, Shueisha did start shutting down most of what was left (including one of their remaining successful manga, "Captain Tsubasa: World Youth", for some reason) and start taking in title after title, which is how Eiichiro Oda, Hiroyuki Takei and Masashi Kishimoto got their chance to finally shine. P.S. Interesting to note that Yoichi Takahashi, arguably the man for which Japan has a professional football association league thanks to the immense popularity of Captain Tsubasa, got his revenge on Shueisha when they came back to him crawling, having remembered that Japan was to host the 2002 Football World Cup, and gave him the spot for another Captain Tsubasa series, "Road to 2002"
As a lover of tall and thick women, and an advocate for proper representation for that body type, I'm sick to my stomach that i"m just learning about Hunter's Guild: Red Hood today, and that it's already cancelled.
Idk but something about the way that you describe them in conjunction with called yourself an "advocate" makes them sound like a marginalized group lol (no hate)
This is a genuinely incredibly interesting idea for a video (and an evergreen idea at that), good work Geoff - would love to see more like this in the future! :))
"This is a manga about a dark fantasy world where dark monsters stalk the innocent. The only thing protecting the citizens is an elite guild of hunters of which our red hood clad heroine is one. So OF COURSE people thought that this was a little too much like-" RWBY? "-Chainsaw Man!" Oh...
I’m sorry, I know we’re going to be digging deep into the overarching themes of the final manga but I cannot get over the line “he was also rumored to be involved in the Justin Bieber incident”. The fucking WHAT incident? How can they just drop “the Justin Bieber incident” on me with no explanation and expect me to take this manga seriously in any way???
See there's your problem. You're never supposed to take any piece of entertainment seriously. You're supposed to roll with the punches. In fact, any critical analysis worth its salt starts with meeting the piece of work on its terms, not on yours.
@@dontmisunderstand6041That’s nice and all, but it’s not really that relevant of a response to most of what ahuman6901 said. You’re kind of missing the forest for the trees here, seemingly because one innocuous sentence set you off on opinion tangent.
@@cloudstrife4534 How is "You're not supposed to take things seriously if the story doesn't want to be taken seriously" not a relevant response to "How do they expect me to take this story seriously"?
just looking at a few pages of time paradox ghost writer in this video got me emotional, now i am extremely sad it got cancelled, the world truly is unfair to artists
I would still recommend reading it. The ending is super incredibly compressed, but its still pretty good and the idea will leave you think for quite a bit.
When I read Tokyo Shinobi Squad while it was coming out I thought it was pretty ok and got a little bummed out when it got axed. It only now occurred to me how little I actually payed attention to the plot or dialogue lmao.
I disagree with his opinions that it's overly political. If you suddenly allowed an influx of people into the country like shown in the beginning there'd very easily be an influx of organized crime. Especially since the Yakuza's power has vaned they probably couldn't fight back.
@@GamerGrovyle it would maybe yeah, they are more violent societies for sure, you can even search for how many homicide there are in Japan vs Usa(who isn't anywhere safe levels of a developed country) and Russia have also crime, China has some turbulence so you can make it an argument, but it would make more sense japan don't care about his citizens for decades meanwhile population decline and that broughting crime🤷♂️
@@GamerGrovyle I can't tell if this is a Thermian argument (arguing from the implicit position that any story detail is OK if the author states an in-universe explanation) or just a failure to pay attention to what Geoff said about the politics.
@@timothymclean It is true that if you let every person in you will have migrants who refuse to assimilate. The reason why Japan is so safe is because they have strict immigration rules.
That training arc was really a mistake. It’s like every interesting aspect of the worldbuilding got thrown out the window before the story even started.
I love Zombie Powder. Great characters, even side characters would have full bios. The only problem was the powder itself was a boring macguffin. The real good stuff was the bio-engineering and that was really only revealed in the final chapter
I liked the powder as a MacGuffin, but it didn't have complete time to develop and there were other interesting things. I think if the series had continued with how the rings worked we would have seen some pretty crazy situations, the rings clearly had a "conscience" so maybe one could have been completely independent and gone on a killing spree. I wanted to know more about Gamma's past and who was "that man" which whom his style of swordsmanship should have died with.
@@ShonenFlop That is precisely why we usually let authors have some time to find a footing and figure out a direction. Punishing a slow start is just bad form.
@@ShonenFlop I think cramming all of the world building and exposition of power system in early chapters really affected it. Hell's Paradise did those things after like 60-70 chapters and in a much more coherent way. Also the artstyle and characters were superior in every way even from the 1st chapter. Kinda sad that he couldn't bring the same magic with Ayashimon. I hope he doesn't give up. I love Hell's Paradise and I hope he brings another series with same magic.
They canceled Ayashimon? That's too bad. I was enjoying reading that one on the Viz Manga app. Might have to cancel my subcription with that app soon. It is only $2 a month, but it feels like they have less and less stuff you can actually read as most of them require you to buy the manga volumes rather than be included in the subscription.
@@zed-up One trend I've noticed with a lot of recent Shonen Jump manga (by which I mean "every series released in the last year, at least") is that they feel the need to frontload their manga with as much as possible, like they're expecting the entire series to live or die based on readers seeing that first chapter and already understanding what makes the series cool. It's ruined a few series I otherwise think I would have loved, but in an environment like Shonen Jump, I feel like it's an inevitable adaptation that mangaka would evolve, hoping that their manga won't underperform in its first month and get cut before it has a chance to prove itself.
Holy shit, gotta stop at 13:58 to die laughing for a minute after that delivery. "He might get dinged for Regicide....which is a charge not a lot of orphans beat"
i think the standard is that they share rights with shueisha, but series like Shaman King have moved publishers so it’s not ironclad. Biggest reason is likely nobody wants to pick up a series that already failed and self publishing isn’t a super viable avenue for success and most of these writers would rather move on to try and make something more successful
It's the Japanese, man. The stigma of doing that is not for the faint of heart. There, you either stick by the rules, or everyone shuts you off. It's not even that big of an exaggeration. Japan is tough on some things. After you get known and have a fan base, you can decide a lot, before that, don't even think about it.
Its less that Jump is predatory, and more that getting published in Jump is basically the ONLY way to make serious money in the hypercompetitive shonen market. Less popular publications might get 1 or 2 big successes a year if even that; Jump is putting out basically all of the bangers and having your work in the same mag as freaking Dragonball is a big predictor of success.
As a reminder: A GOOD PREMISE DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN A GOOD MANGA. You can have a totally unique first chapter, but if the writing and characterization isn't up to par it'll enter the U19 club. On the other hand, Demon Slayer and Black Clover may be generic, but they excel because they executed their cliches well. Like, I enjoyed Red Hood. But when the first few chapters after the debut screeched the plot to a halt when they stuck around the hamlet, and then afterwards when they teased a completely crazy world with tank crabs and then spent the next ten chapters in a metal box, it was a dead series walking.
Yeah, a lot of interesting series face the issue where they have a strong first chapter but then take to long to pick up from there afterward so the next few chapters are kind of meandering and don't add enough to the world or core cast and then by the time they start trying to address those things it's too late
@@Aaronrules380 Exactly. Potential means nothing if it isn't realized. Why bother with a manga which has a mediocre first few chapters but it'll get good, I swear, when you can read a manga which is good from the start?
Huh what, a good premise automatically means a good manga? I have a good premise about am electric hedgehog pokemon, I am going to make my greatest manga ever called sonichu.
I'm surprised you didnt talk about Masashi Kishimoto's failed manga that he wrote after finishing Naruto, called "Samurai 8" that lasted less then a year with only 43 chapters
Time Paradox Ghostwriter had a dope premise, and even though it got cut short for reasons I completely understand it was given a satisfying (if abrupt) wrap-up. Absolutely worth hunting it down for anyone who is even a little interested in its premise.
This is something I’ve always wanted to do. Make a video about a bunch of axed Jump series. See how bad things could get and if there were any hidden gems. Honestly Geoff you might’ve just gotten a fire lit under me to make that first video. Just gotta choose one to do first.
Honestly would've loved to see you talk about Doron Dororon, I think it's a textbook example of a manga (at least seemingly) being too afraid to step out of the standard shonen tropes and it suffers greatly for that. I'm not typically too critical of things I read or watch but this was a manga that made me think "ok, but when is this gonna gain it's own identity" from about 4 chapters in and that feeling stuck right up through to it's last chapter.
Japan has a serious issue with ultra-conservatives fucking up pretty much all aspects of society, but it's rarely ever taken seriously by the world community. It doesn't help that so many abroad fans of Japanese media are chuds and completely fine with conservative talking points rearing their ugly head in many creators' works.
Yeah, the series is like what would happen if Naruto started more than halfway through Shippoden and every time someone use a technique there was a pop up wall of text to explain what the power was, what it did, who taught them it, whether or not it was a clan exclusive trait or whatever, etc.
well to be fair not all series are kept around because of "popularity" some series are kept longer simply because they dont have anything else ready and need pages to be filled tokyo iirc was kept around along with other unpopular series (one of them being yui kamio i believe) because they had no replacement, ayashimon was cancelled earlier than doron probably because the author had other projects coming (he had announced not long after the cancellation that he was working on"something " on twitter) so doron probably had its execution date extended by default despite poorer sales
@@Darktusken Oh I see. I did not know that. I just assumed that there was a long waiting list and that titles would get kicked out the moment they underperform. Thanks for the insight.
@@Avatarbee earthchild could have also been ended a couple weeks earlier as it had the perfect moment to end it but got prolongued a couple weeks .i also wonder if thats what happened with yozakura family initially , as theres a moment where a chapter ends with a cliffhanger that could lead to a big final climax for the series and the chapter after that , the cliffhanger is casually thrown in the fridge for later use , i wonder if it was meant to end but got spared because of that or because perhaps they say saw something like increasing sales and decided it could have a future long term but whatever the reason its doing well now , for that matter samurai 8 also lasted longuer than it should have all due to bias (it was the creator of naruto ) and/or the hopes he could turn it into a success as they had spent so much on marketing it (french and american publishers had already planned their release of the volume overseas before it was even published in japan ) i myself got the the two first volumes! (not chapters) free as a sample ,and comedy series for example usually last longuer despite poorer sales because not every genre have the same sales expectation as others, but bottom line theres a lot more to keeping around series than it initially appears.
It's also a weird statement because Oda's not particularly good at expressions. He draws cartoons, not faces. It's kinda one of the trademarks of his art style, the fact that he draws cartoons.
Also, another note about axed manga - other UA-camrs have crunched the numbers and found that the ratio of cancelled manga in Jump has mostly stayed the same across the years. We think there's an uptick now because Viz decided to translate all manga in Shonen Jump, not just the ones with promise - so the series that last 19 chapters or less would normally stay in Japanese Jump, never to even be seen by us. We see all the series cancelled and cry about lost potential. But this is simply par for the course, we're just seeing titles live and die in real time now.
Whenever manga is in a bull market, expect this sort of thing to happen. Gawrsh, I remember the bull market of the late 90s-mid 2000s, which gave us imports of stuff like Hamtaro. Not sure if today's bull market is big enough for them to translate older U19 club members... We still haven't gotten giants like KochiKame, for one.
@@austinreed7343 It depends. Viz previously licensed a couple of series Tatsuya Endo made before Spy x Family, even though they were U19 material. Fist of the North Star is getting a translation decades after its release because it's a cornerstone of shonen manga. It all comes down to if there's a justifiable reason for printing a manga which ended years ago.
i've often wondered if it would be feasible to double the amount of stories your running in one of these magazines and just make them all bi-weekly on alternating schedules. split the big names up, so you don't lose out on sales and give your authors an extra week for breathing room. also, keeping up with jump, i knew from the first few chapters that earth child was doomed. it had an interesting first chapter but it seemed like it didn't know what it wanted to do afterwards so it just flailed around until cancellation. good luck to the current batch of newbies in the magazine: aliens area, tokyo demon bride story, ginka and gluna, and (if it ever returns from hiatus) ruri dragon
I've been thinking about this for a while - I get from a business perspective you want a magazine out every week, but there's still ways to do that without having everyone on a weekly schedule. One of Shueisha's big weaknesses as a company is that they only have ONE weekly magazine and two monthly magazines per demographic at most. That means when times are good all the talent is concentrated in one place, but when for instance a lot of your most popular authors end their series in relatively rapid succession (like over these past two years) things can start to get hairy, fast. Other companies like Kadokawa and Shogakukan have a lot of different magazines per demographic which *seems* a lot more unstable and unfocused, but is actually the opposite-megahits AOT ending, for instance, might make a bit of a dent in your bottom like, but you have so many other series that are decently popular among a more niche demographic that it isn't something to worry about. Making WSJ biweekly would a) Improve working conditions for mangaka, obviously. b) Allow you to start a lot more series at once c) Still allow you to have one, monolithic magazine
As a counterbalance to all these series that ended early, you should read the series that is so good that it (ironically) just refuses to die despite how often the japanese publisher decides to move it to another magazine and how many delays it has faced in the english publication: Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service.
@@tampabaybuccaneer10 One of my favorites. Dark Horse stopped publishing individual volumes but are now publishing it in Omnibus format with 3 volumes per book. They initially just collected the existing volumes into this format. Last month they finally hit book 5 in this format, meaning a new, previously untranslated tankobon (volume 15) was published.
I think it's pretty fun to look through the Jump backlog for niche short run series as well. The short but semi successful career of Kazu Hajime has gotten me pretty hooked just recently with manga like Mind Assasin being pretty fun and meiryoutei goutou seijuro having a concept that I like with absolutely no English translation.
i think it s important to note that while the business is cuthroat, almost all manga writers failed several times before writing a succesful manga. its like starting a business or writing a book. so, a lot of these manga writers im sure will find success in the future
Doubt it.... the market is flooded with nothing but isekai. And with readers slowly gravitating towards colored webtoon. It's hard for mangakas to keep up. A lot of characters also don't have any charisma. Which is a huge problem for Jump. Because the readers are children they want a hero they can aspire to be.
@@zhenyucai8688 Doubt it? Literally a recent example is Yuki Tabata, who some years ago was getting his series axed in less than 30 chapters and nowadays is running one of the Weekly Shounen Jump flagships
@@gerardoalexandergarciamend7053 Survivorship bias. Much like businesses, most mangaka fail. Peoole, however, only see the successful ones causing them to have a skewed perception of the industry.
Not gonna lie, I think TPG had a bit more going against it that just the whole "audience doesnt care about plagarism" angle honestly, it had a huge issue in being very quick to wrap up plot threads and jump into the next one, which for a series with as potentially limited in scope as that is a huge killer of potential. Like the plot point of the original author being suspicious? Solved the chapter she meets him (Chapter 3) Her not having a series to work on? Well she got into one pretty quick. Short build up arcs are important for making your manga understood, but TPG did short arcs that also were major plot beats that should really have had more time to develop, and that incredibly cut down where it could go in the future, so a short run time was pretty much always going to happen.
Yeah, that was an issue, it’s like the author wrapped all the threads in one chapter so there was nothing interesting to look forward to. Also I think the main character just comes off super whiny and privileged.
Yup, people want to scapegoat the audience as not being mature enough but the mangaka killed their own premise at every opportunity. It wasn't the audience who didn't get the premise, it was apparently the mangaka not knowing what the point of their own series was. People want to think it was good because of the premise but it dropped the premise immediately.
I’d like to dream that Time-traveling ghostwriter would play out well in a US-publishing house: the thesis of it that you describes is thoroughly present in the US superhero comic industry, since a given superhero is never allowed to end forever
The thing with Jump having so many series is that they honestly don’t know where the next hit will come from. If you look at the current line-up of successful jump series, you got people like Shinohara and Matsui who have made successful series before. You got people like Horikoshi, Gondaira, or Tabata who made some axed jump stuff before making a successful series. You got people like Tozuka, Akutami, and Suzuki who did a few one shots and were assistants on other peoples stuff before making their own series. And you got people like Komoto who kind of just showed up one day. On the other hand there are series like Samurai 8 or Build King from successful mangaka that turn out horrible. A great series can come from anywhere so really you kind of have to just throw stuff at the wall.
I'm curious since you seem to know the past work of the Jump authors, what can you say about Kouji Miura and Takamasa Moue? Both have had massive success and I'm curious what they did before.
@@Blaze_1013Miura had a failed series in another magazine before she did blue box Moue has only done a couple one shots along with his writing partner. It seems he’s a more “out of nowhere” kind of guy like Mapollo-3
@@larsnyman2455 Potential means nothing if it can't be realized. What would you rather read - a series which is okay at best but it'll totally get good by chapter 20, or a series which is good NOW?
@@jaybeans981 a series that’s a 6/10 in the first 10-20 chapters but evolves to a 8 or 9/10 by chapter 30 or 35 as it gradually evolves from mechanical and thematic standpoints, which is why Phantom Seer’s cancellation was such a disappointment
As a regular reader of Jump, I'm really happy to see bigger anitubers talking about both the series that have been lost to cancellation and why that happened, but also the severe crunch culture that plagues Jump (and, to an extent, manga publishing in general).
@@Toastcat890 It's obviously technically possible as shown by One but you'd have to really stick out which is the reason going with a manga house seems to be the safer way (even if it's still far from "safe")
Time Paradox Ghostwriter and Phantom Seer are by far the saddest cases of series cancellation I've seen ever since I started reading Jump on a weekly basis. I really hope the writers and artists find success whether in Jump or elsewhere. Date and Matsuura's art is especially beautiful, whoever lands either of them as a partner is obscenely lucky. I mean, Matsuura's art is the sole upside of Tokyo Shinobi Squad! The training arc of Red Hood was a total mistake. It lost me for a few weeks there and I'm sure a lot of readers felt the same, I don't know how many were able to come back to the incredible wrap-up like I was.
One thing of note from Barrage; there's a character who verbally weighs two ideas against each other to explain his motivations, and the visuals show said character literally "weighing" the text bubbles that contain potential motivators, with his chosen motivator resting lower than the other one. It's a brilliant bit of visual storytelling, both funny and inventive, the kind of thing you can only see in comics. I don't really have anywhere to go with this, it's just something really cool I noticed when Barrage was serialized and have never seen anything like ever again.
Horikoshi has some cool ideas like that in Boku no Hero Academia as well, I remember an instance where the bubbles are shaped like the character's heads, it's neat. He is a fantastic artist, especially for eyes and hands, but goddamn, that story is bad right now. Last chapter was rather refreshing, but the damage is done.
The manga I'm saddest about is Actage. Although the reason it got cut wasn't because of Shonen Jump but because of the author, so it just makes me a lot sadder that such a compelling story was created by an author who can't have basic human decency.
Zipman is likely my favorite manga on this list. I liked his ability to Megaman his enemies, but at the same type having a visible limit to how many powers he can steal, which would force him pick and chose ones that work best for him. However that never happened. Instead he simply took the first four powers he came across that he wasn't disgusted with and stuck with them for the rest of the run, which admittedly wasn't much longer. While it did have some nice references and the like, it failed to developed the characters at all, or even two much with anyone beyond the two brothers. The most prominent female was the childhood friend who both brothers had a crush on, and there wasn't much to her character beyond that. Although if it kept going it seems like she might of had a more active role in the story once she found out the secret they were hiding from her, but by then it was too late as the series had clearly been axed and was rushing to an ending.
Tokyo Shinobi Squad had really good premise, we got ninjas in cyberpunk tokyo, fighting against the crime and corruption. But it all got ruined by BAD writing.
@@Megaman12Protoman14 I think the idea of candy being weapons or even utility is interesting Imagine gobstoppers as bubble shields Or curlywurly's as ladders. With some series on the worlds different sweets you've got something special Just sadly it didn't have enough to make it all interesting and worth while. Maybe I should reread it and see if theres something I'm missing
@@arbetor12 The eacalation of the powers showed some pretty good creativity, and I liked the personalities of the two leads but... it probably would have benefited from some tweaking to the premise. Maybe making the cast older or changing up the pacing. Imo it felt too fast, but I loved how Red Hood was paced and people called that slow so maybe I'm just weird.
Hearing about these what-ifs, could-have-beens, and never-should-haves is fascinating. It's also great to see you dissect what did and didn't make these titles work, and how even the promising ones failed to find an audience. I'd love to see this become an ongoing series. The Jump graveyard is overflowing, and you could go grave robbing for several more videos.
its honestly hard to tell depends how long the author is unable to work,because even if they dont cancel him right away , all hype could vanish if it takes too long and lose the readers.
I'm surprised MHA's author is the same one as Oumagadoki Zoo. I remember reading the one shot shortly after it was fan translated into English, but it took some time for a proper serialization, so I never got around to reading although I was happy it happened when I found out.
If you dig the sticker gives you abilities aspect, check out Blazer Drive. It's the same concept but more anime-ish powers and the sticker designs look good. It's another pretty short series too.
I will never forgive Jump for forcing the end of Psyren to be rushed because they were going to cancel it. One of the best series that will never get an anime (and absolutely friggin should at this point).
That was a great manga. I really liked the plot of them traveling to the future and then changing things in the present causing the future to be different every time they went back. I hadn't realized it was going to be canceled, but that makes sense now thinking back to how the ending went.
Ruri Dragon, a novel slice of life manga that **may have** (edit: bolded for emphasis, cause we don’t know if it’s cancelled or not and going by replies I accidentally implied it as a certainty) been cancelled because of the author’s health. Hope they’re all right
Ruri Dragon is on indefinite hiatus, but it most definitely hasn't been cancelled. While we don't have a lot of hard numbers to go on, it was easily one of the most-read debut chapters on Jump's online platforms, and by all appearances was set to be super successful. And JUMP has certainly been willing to wait for an artist to recover if their series is popular - World Trigger was on hiatus for over 2 years before it came back and is now publishing in a monthly magazine so it can continue. So providing the author is healthy and willing to continue, it definitely has a chance of coming back in some form.
So far it's on an indefinite hiatus. I'm really hoping it'll come back strong soon and am hopeful on it not getting cancelled since it's first volume sold so remarkably well it reached demon slayer numbers the week of release.
@@caosisaac I'm not sure where you're getting that info, but Ruri Dragon's first volume hasn't released yet (probably because there's not enough material for a full volume) so there's no way it's "reached demon slayer numbers" or any numbers.
@@poseidonson13 a couple popular chapters don’t mean much at all. What matters is maintaining that popularity. Maybe it could’ve but I thought it was a long shot from the beginning since it doesn’t have any real conflict or story. But especially now that it lost any momentum it had with the hiatus. Id bet money it’s canceled within 20 chapters
If you founded a Equivalent platform in the states and spoke about the manga with the passion that you always do, I would buy, subscribe, and tier 1 donor the money. Leverage your eye to bring us the content that deserves to be seen… just a thought. Love you man hope you feel better.
I really love these like "media literacy" videos you put out, it just makes me appreciate the artists and story's so much more. i just would've never gave much thought to this stuff on my own.
Yeah at one point I used Shounen Flop as an excuse to check out some of the cancelled series and man some of them really showed why they were cancelled. And others I really would’ve loved seeing them in full telling.
I really wished that they never cancelled phantom seer that series was so good the art was great the story was great and I loved the characters. That one and ayashimon and red hood were also other series I enjoyed too.
I've read a good chunk of the short lived series from Jump and Phantom Seer is the one I was most disappointed to see get axed. It didn't have the best start, but it found its footing and became a really impressive series.
its especially sad that phantom seer didnt even get axed because it was a flop but because it wasnt even more succesful, i honestly wonder if in the digital age if its not an outdated method like couldnt they have transfered the series to digital only? i mean i understand before that as you needed to liberate pages for other stuff, but if a series is profitable these days surely it could be kept around?
@@Darktusken While most the series that get cut from Jump are because they just don't find an audience, it is weird that they'd just totally drop a semi successful one and not move it to another one of their platforms. Jump Plus (think thats the name) seems as if it would be the perfect place to put something Phantom Seer.
indeed , also makes me wonder if perhaps there wasnt some behind the scenes shenanigans we arent aware of in this case, i mean high school family is still around ( i know comedies arent expected to sell as much as something as phantom seer but its not even selling well for a comedy and its been going far too long for it to be one of those cases where they dont got a replacement for it yet.)
This Shonen Jump strategy is exactly why I don't read any of their new releases for an entire year. Too much emotional damage. MX0, Magico, Red Sprite, Psyren...
Yeah.... Mx0's ending was such a waste... On the other hand, Psyren might have been canceled but I think it ended very nicely and would have actually lost its appeal had it gone on for too long. One rare case where the manga was canceled at the exact right time IMO.
I remember reading Candy Flurry and I loved the idea. It was bizzarre (basically people fight using sweets and theres a special police force fighting sweet users who have forks as weapons) but who cares? Its manga, mangas have been weird for years. But of course it got cancelled at like 16 chapters and ended with a mech battle that came out of nowhere.
I hope one day Barrage gets a second chance. I love the concept and Horikoshi’s art is beautiful as always and it deserves more love. Maybe it could an animated series? I don’t know just an idea
@@ShonenFlop whats even stranger is the villains (at least the ones presented in the vid) seemingly have nothing to do with those events the greedy dude even has a japanese name and doesnt look foreign ( i guess he could be an immigrant with japanese ancestry as a longshot) making the thing even more confusing
Put your offerings to the recently deceased here: Ghostwriter Moriking Phantom Seer Build King Our Blood Oath Robot x Laserbeam Cop & Dolphin i tell c Nine Dragons Ball Parade Candy Flurry Red Hood Neru Magu-Chan Ayashimon Shugomaru Doron Dororon Earthchild Ruri Dragon, probably
I think Ruri Dragon is gonna stay. I've been hearing a lot good from other readers and I'm loving its simple character interactions It's a little out of the norm for jump but it's still great. I do recommend it. Just go in for the characters and not action and you'll see its charms and strengths
i expect Ruri Dragon to be moved to jump plus at worst given all indications are it was well recieved before the author had to start a hiatus super early in the run for health reasons
I think Burn the Witch could be the perfect Kubo manga between Zombie Powder and Bleach. It's pretty interesting and the pacing seems better. Hope it comes back soon
Yeah. As much as I love Bleach because it continued to do what I liked about it (battles leading into more battles while Kubo experiments with new art shit. also it does a lot of interesting stuff with Buddhism, especially its various methods towards Enlightenment) I really think things like Burn the Witch would be best for him. He's still doing the stylish shit he did with Bleach and still playing with things. The way he used like the way sound effect bubbling works and looks for Bruno's one attack sticking out to me right now. But like...It was a one shot and then it was a miniseries. So it didn't really run into Kubo's plotting weaknesses and it also didn't run into the issue of him literally killing his shoulder from the weekly manga workload. I'm really hoping that Burn the Witch can just be like...A thing he occasionally gets to revisit to do a new miniseries with. Or just the idea of him getting to do miniseries in general, honestly. I love his style a lot and he's honestly probably my favorite shonen creator just because I like how he's always trying out new weird visual things or playing with his panel layouts. But the man does have issues with the longrunning plots that Jump tends to favor, while his vignette and short story plotting tends to be pretty good.
Candy Flurry had a pretty straightforward premise but I liked how silly it was. That and Red Hood's cancellations had me bummed. I also wish the artist of Act Age, Shiro Usazaki, who was completely independent of the author, gets another series; their art style is really cool.
This was a really good video. Great content honestly. Something I didn't think I would care about but ended up watching the whole thing without even noticing it.
Beside the excellent and thick plot of Red Hood, the pacing was really bad. It took them 2 or 3 chapters, don't remember exactly, to solve the initial attack on the boy's village.
porobably lost a lot readers patience, we got the tank hermit crab chapter which was good and could have lead to more little adventures fleshing out of both the worlds and the leads, but bam we got a exam arc out of nowhere at point where the series was nowhere near ready for that
Anyone remember double arts? that thing was so good for the short period of time it was being done. It was done by Nisekoi's artist Komi Naoshi, but was a battle manga.
I do. I read it back in the old days, as it was being scanlated- first axed manga that ever cut me personally. And then... then Nisekoi of all things is what gets to live. Happy for him, bummed for me and a world that does not appreciate art.
Some Shonen Jump manga make it to the end of their run and gain many fans in the process. Unfortunately, some don't get a fair chance and others get canned before they can really get going.
@@tyrus1235 why? Rave didn't get cancelled or rather it had a really long and conclusive run. Unless you're mad about it not getting a full anime which I completely understand
My personal knife to the heart was Nine Dragons' Ball Parade- in my opinion it had the best start to a baseball story that you could hope for with an atypical protagonist and a great cast of characters. It was getting so interesting before suddenly there were no more chapters appearing in my Jump app :(
ACT-AGE is still the one I'm most bummed for when it got cancelled just because of the authors shinenigans. It has all the potential to be a all time great series.
I wish to pay tribute to "Psyren". A fine story of high schoolers and psychic powers combined with an amazing take on a certain SPOILER plot element that fuels an investigation into a ruined world and how to save it IF it can ever be saved. It managed to complete its run but was rushed and didn't really find an audience due to really straddling the line between Shonen and Seinen without ever really settling on how mature it wanted to be. I wholeheartedly believe that if it started Shonen and turned Seinen after the BIG reveal it could have been a masterpiece.
Always glad to see Psyren get a mention. I've heard that the ending was rushed, but reading through the series, I didn't even notice. Really wish it would get an anime already. Psyren deserves it.
If the manga gets canceled, Shonen Jump should give the rights of the series back to the artist. The artist being able to go indie and keep going with a niche audience would be great for them
Really wish that happened with red hood
@@ShonenFlop Say it again for the people I'm the back. Red Hood got done so dirty.
Is it possible for the creators get back the rights of their manga, by say, buying the rights?
@@Kinoksis likely not since legal rights and everything to do with them are ridiculous hoops to jump through
Btw this is JAPAN those folks at Shonen Jump would never dream of letting shit go if their "reputation" was on the line canceled series or not
What?! And risk their monopoly on otaku culture? What executive would want that?!
Fun fact : Gege Akutami stated in the jujutsu fan book that the series was pretty unpopular with readers until chapters 9-10 , and that if the manga had been cancelled at this point Yuji would have stayed dead After sukuna ripped his heart out.
I dont really understand this . Yuji died in chapter 9 and got revived in chapter 11 . I dont htink the tiimeline really makes sense
@@qukijoba5262 according to akutami's comments the editorial meeting where it was to be decided which series would continue and which would be axed happened just after the publication of chapter 10.
@@amuletangeldevil talk about a stroke of luck
damn do it really did feel like an end.
Damn, man. Respect there.
And he even figured out a good way to not only bring Yuji back without it feeling half-assed, but also create even more intrigue for the series. Bravo, Gege.
I feel bad for Time Paradox Ghostwriter, that's a pretty textbook case of a series being pushed to the wrong audience. It could've really flourished in a seinen or josei publication, where the audience is more open to ethically dubious protagonists and more likely to appreciate its themes and ideas, but it was just never going to click with Shonen Jump's core demographic and its actual audience was unlikely to stumble across it there.
that does beg the question of WHY he thought this would go over well with shonen jump's audience.
I agree, this had so much potential
Yeah why was this story published under shonen anyway it’s not going to have an audience there
@@alicianelson1252 maybe there are some laws against making fun of other companies in Japan (I mean they have no fair use laws there so who's to say a company CANT sue your ass there if you make fun of them?) And this is, I dunno, a loophole?
@@johndavidtibbetts7320 I think it was because of the whole meta aspect. A shounen jump manga about writing a shounen jump manga. That whole thing.
Ah, yes, Red Hood. Sad loss. If I recall correctly, most of the problems actually stem from the fact that Grim was supposed to be the main character, but that was denied by Jump. They decided that only a young, cookie-cutter boy can be the main character and made the author change a lot of stuff to fit this. I also think that the training arc wasn't supposed to be there, because, you know, the main character was already a hunter, which probably hurt its chances as well.
I also don't know if that ending was as much planned from the start as much as it was a bit of a "fuck you" to Jump, considering the context.
well the fact that the villain "edited " the story to change protags definetly points to that, but im not sure everything can be put on the editors , taking 3 chapters to finnally destroy the "starter town" was an odd decision that i dont think the editor would be responsible of (thought its his job to tell the author to get rid of the bloat) , the world building was great with the tank hermit crabs but then we got the training arc that messed everything up, we have yet to build the dymanic with the leads and we are flooded by new caracters. considering this was the same editor as samurai 8 ,a series bloated by exposition , maybe the editor wanted this time to speed things up (but i dont blame him for samurai 8 he could have been pressured to not mess with the vision of the creator of one of their golden goose)
I feel like this is also why black star exists in soul eater
@@MILDMONSTER1234 hmm he was certainly an odd caracter considering how his backstory mattered little in the plot , i also feel soul (or at least the final version we got in the manga) in some ways was also added to pander to the "classic" shonen audience , we are used to a token female lead inserted (sakura from naruto) that ultimatly accomplishes little , but in this case it was a male lead i mean soul has a brother which i dont believe we ever see and doesnt really have goals outside of being makas weapon. Death the kid i feel was the only male lead that really mattered plotwise and he was almost the complete opposite of the typical dumb extraverted hotheaded boy that makes up 90 per cent of shonen protags
Eh, Velou was still the main character in Red Hood's one-shot and it was well-loved enough to become a whole series in the first place so that's clearly not it. People really did not seen to care much about Grimm besides how big certain body parts were, unfortunately.
Honestly, I think one of the main issues of Red Hood is that despite the amazing composition, character designs, etc etc... The story simply wasn't that good? It was fine, but nothing particularly catching or poignant. People simply weren't checking in week after week except to ogle the art, but even then that eventually loses its lustre.
Time Paradox Ghostwriter is so fascinating to me because you see in each chapter how the mangaka tries to course-correct to avoid the chopping block, and in doing so it effectively turned into a meta-commentary about its own cancellation.
Zombie Powder ended because Kubo's best friend/family member committed suicide, shortly after Kubo fell into a huge cycle of depression and didn't want to continue the manga due to his negative state of mind he was in at the time 😢💔🙏
I didn't know that. I absolutely loved Zombie Powder and thought he stopped making it because of them asking him to focus on Bleach. Such a shame 💔
Do you mind linking your source so I can see the article? but yeah, real sad for Kubo and his friends' family😞
I am unfamiliar with it, but they get lots of sympathy and foxvibes from me! 🦊
Didn't know that. So sad. I loved Zombie Powder, wish it could be revived at some point but not if it's gonna take Kubo back to a dark place.
I heard the same years ago after reading the whole series and I'm surprised it didn't get mentioned.
20:00 I need to correct a misunderstanding about Zombie Powder,
The Manga wasn't cancelled, Kubo ended the manga due to having family issues.
In interviews he also stated that he was writing it during a low point in his life which might've also made him end it.
Oh, that makes me sad.
Are you sure? Kubo stated that he had issues and was writting it as he was a low point and in an interview years later that he was "not yet used to the scheduling pressures of weekly serialization" and "paid too much attention to his editor's comments rather than trusting his own ideas" but nothing on choosing to end it. It didn't do well in Japan and I can't find anything on Kubo ending it so with how it was received I can see it getting the ax for normal reasons especially since manga with better sales and commercial success have been cancelled as well.
It was cancelled, just by forces outside Jump's editorial department.
@@timothymcleanI think it was up to Jump. Everything I've read was that it was cancelled cause it wasn't doing well. Kubo issues probably impacted its quality which probably contribute to it being cancelled but it still looks like it was Jump's choice. Jump has cancelled more successful titles. This video even names 2 of them.
I am still very sad about Red Hood getting cut so short. I really dug that world and characters. You don´t get many manga about Western fairy tales so I was really bummed out to see it get so compressed and then ended when there was a lot of potential. And I am not just saying that becaue I want Debonaire to hug me until I melt.
From what I can tell Red Hoods biggest failing was due to its more slow burn nature. The pacing dragged a bit, and not enough was given to Velou to make him interesting enough to carry the series during those slower times. It honestly felt like reading Claymore; only Raki was the main character instead of Claire. That being said I 100% adored Red Hood and was devastated when i realized the awkward pacing and twists in the last couple chapters were due to imminent cancelation and appreciated the balls it took the author to make it a meta narrative about canceled series in the final pages.
@@caosisaac Yep. Didn't help that the first chapter seemed to set up an adventure series where a wizened hunter shows a newcomer the ropes... only for the series to screech to a halt because the MC refuses the call to action, and they spend three chapters hunting wolves in the starting town.
Imagine if the first chapter of One Piece didn't end with Luffy setting out to sea, and instead had him just fuck around Foosha Village for like five chapters until Axe Hand Morgan comes in, bombs the shit out of everything, and then Luffy goes after him. It just doesn't work.
@@jaybeans981 yeah pretty much. Im hindsight the author probably wanted to pull a wedtworld where the secondary character realize that there is something wrong with the hero success and shenanigans like they were scripted. A commentaru to mangas story tropes perhaps? Too bad that while art is good, pacing was terrible and panel organization was jumbled mess at timea taking two or three reading to understand wtf going on. And then there was the fucking training arc, that wanted oh so badly being Hunter X Hunter but missed what make one overlook the atrocious slow moment of HxH.
I was devastated when I learned it was getting cancelled, every character they introduced was SO GOOD and I wanted so badly to see these cool and interesting character each get flushed out and work together with all their different powers and personalities come together as a team. But none of that had the chance to happen. I don't know why it isn't mentioned more when people talk about it, the character writing is easily the manga's best feature, I really hope that the writer gets another shot so I can see more of their characters.
It sounds incredible actually… like crazier version of Claymore
Man, the story was already set in a dystopian cyberpunk wasteland; all the author of Tokyo Shinobi Squad had to do was write Tokyo as one of the last few habitable zones left after we screwed over the rest of the planet and nobody would've so much as _blinked._
But no, instead we got 'yucky crime foreigners'.
Amazing.
Let's be real; the political message isn't something harming an otherwise competent story, it's the *reason* the rest of the story exists. It's a little like when British officials tried to tell the confederate 'ambassador' that if they just got rid of slavery they could probably get the crown to recognize them as legitimate; yeah, it was probably possible, but it kind of defeats the point.
im kinda curious how they would have worked in the jews, because thats the only direction i could imagine it going
@@loaf8506 Jews caused the Hman and Hman caused the jews in a vicious cycle.
An anti-globalist, anti-immigration story I think could be done well, but the problem is the author beats you over the head with it. Mass migration does create a lot of challenges. Europe is having serious issues with it's migrant situation where they aren't really assimilating into the broader culture and whole cities are ethnically replaced. There is also serious issues with crime as well in a lot of migrant neighborhoods. Despite the broader public being against mass migration the out of touch societal elites such as corporations looking for cheap labor, out of touch intellectuals who don't actually experience the problems of mass migration directly, to politicians who are influence by business and intelligentsia to work against the peoples demands. In UK a big part of Brexit was to reduce immigration into the country and the political class seems to be letting more in than ever.
I think a better approach and more nuanced approach is to have a bright eyed main character who thinks immigration and multiculturalism are all just dandy and realizes they present a lot of problems for a community than he realized. Make a point not to show all foreigners are bad, show mosf as being good and just wanting to make a living, but that mass migration does create a lot of problems that might not be worth it for a society.
Just to list a number of issues. You can have serious culture clash where there are irreconcilable differences between different groups. For example making cartoons about the Prophet Mohammed where freedom of expression is a paramount value in the West where as among most muslims they think it is sacrilegious and should be a crime. You can have clashes between natives and migrant groups, or clashes between different migrants groups. There was a recent issue in multiple countries where gangs of migrants from two different African countries that were at war were fighting each other in the streets. A minority group the natives have no problem with, the migrants dislike. For example anti-semitism is on the rise in Europe and it isn't because Europeans are becoming more anti-semitic. Another issue is how corporations exploit migrants for cheap labor and push for more migration against the public at large wishes. Whole neighborhoods get ethnically replaced and the locals are forced out. You could show a group of out of touch activist group constantly attacking natives in favor of the migrants even when the migrants are in the wrong. There was an infamous commercial in Sweden telling Swedes have to get out of the way and make room for the "New Swedes". Also the majority of migrants tends to be men. One of the reasons the 19th Amendment was ratified was so the American born women could help out vote the foreigners. Then there is the crime. Certain migrant neighborhoods have high crime rates although interestingly enough a large proportion of crime comes from the children og migrantd who are born in that society. You could also show how governments respond to it. Such as how France is extremely heavy handed with crime and tries to suppress their religious and cultural identities such as banning the hijab, or Britain which actively celebrates multiculturalism and their police have infamously ignored gangs of migrant men prostituting thousands of underage girls because they were afraid of being called racist. There is a lot of interesting topics to explore while criticizing mass migration and globalism, but you're going to need to take a nuanced approach to it and explore those issues in depth. Not just say everything has gone to hell simply because foreigners arrived.
@ShamanMcLamie
I don't fully agree with the sentiment, though I understand that I am probably less knowledgeable in this area.
For myself, the recent mass immigration seems to often be people fleeing desperate circumstances, such as Syria.
While the refugees themselves are not perfect, the western publics response has also felt indicative of their attitude.
Primarily, I am speaking of the response to Ukrainian refugees vs. more Middle Eastern refugees like Syria. While both were fleeing desperate situations, the Western response to Ukraine seemed more noticeably positive.
And that positivity is good, but the contrast to the more muted-to-negative reaction to non-white Middle Eastern refugees was...something.
Now, it doesn't need to be fully a race thing, as perhaps Westerners felt more aligned culturally with Ukrainians. And as you've noted, there are many issues with mass migration, and people being used as political pawns. But that said, I still think the contrast is worth noting.
I can't believe the line "What's become of this country? So much for globalization..." came from a real, published manga and not a parody of a right wing political cartoon. Like that's the exact kind of line you'd see as a meme next to a picture of a dude dressed in a catgirl maid outfit or something.
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It's so amateurish it's hilarious. You don't make your obvious self insert say your political views aloud. That's total 14yr old writing.
The author is quite decidedly, a fascist.
Xenophobia The Manga😂
I think it's quite dumb to shit on the manga for that line since to the MC Globalization = Rampant crime, extreme corruption, people starving in poverty and relying on vigilantes to try and keep the peace.
Like seriously? Ignoring whatever political view you have it's a fact in this setting that the Globalization made MCs country a massive shitshow
Really loved Barrage and was so bummed when it got cancelled
I did a double take when I recognized the lizard monster from it in MHA
Same :')
If you haven't read o zoo he also uses a ton of designs from it, most notable gang orca
Same, I really loves Barrage
Agreed, the pacing at the end was a bit jarring.
@@SleepyMatt-zzz pacing at the end was a result of it being canceled and the author wanting to give some type of satisfying ending to the readers
I remember when Doron Dororon suddenly lurched into a war arc with little-to-no leadup, I said to myself "oh yeah, it's getting cancelled." Lo and behold, war ends, rest in peace. A sudden war arc is like one of the harbingers of the axe.
I was so disappointed that it ended. Why is it that when I decide to pickup a new manga about youkai, it gets axed prematurely. Let’s see if Tokyo Demon Bride Story can beat more then 30 chapter.
It started to grow on me as it went on, I gotta say. I think it's biggest issue was just that it didn't do enough special to compete with the other battle shonen in the magazine. It's been pretty difficult to get a new battle shonen to be successful in Jump for a while now.
Idk how early on the author knew it was getting axed but the power scaling and story beats just got out of wack so fast. Tack that on with this being probably the most trope-y shonen I've read to date and unfortunately, I can see why it got cancelled
I was honestly surprised it lasted as long as it did - it came out the same time as Ayashimon and did so much less to set itself apart from other titles in the same "Battling Youkai" subgenre. When Ayashimon got cut first I was shocked; the difference in quality between the two was pretty clear to me.
If you want to know what series are likely to get dropped I'd look at the table of content in every issue of Jump. Basically, it's a barometer for how a series is doing. The series in the front tend to be doing the best while those towards the back are struggling. Chrunchyroll has a thread in their forum with the rankings going back YEARS and while I don't think it is 1 to 1, if you look at the author comments on the Viz community tab it follows relatively closely to the order there too.
“You can’t build a career as an artist unless you know your audience and how to give them what they want.”
I thought this was going to transition into an ad read. “And I know that my audience wants more g-fuel advertising.”
No. Nobody wants that.... for the love of god not that.
Would have been a pretty smooth transition though...props
the loss of Act-Age broke my heart....though i certainly don't disagree with the reason it was dropped. i do hope that the artist of the series, Shiro Usazaki-sensei, finds a home someday, as she was innocent from Pedo-san's misdeeds and deserves a vehicle worthy of her mighty sketching abilities.
Just like Smile in the Runway.
LMFAO why you had to say Pedo-San☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️😭😭😭
And i still love act-age, but fk you author. I really hope the best for the artist
Luckily Oshi no Ko covers a lot of the same energy and is not as fucked IRL as the contents of the manga itself
@@kaelthunderhoof5619 What happened to Smile Down the Runway?
If I had a nickel every time a manga had a female-male duo as heroes with the much duller male as the protagonist, I’d have…well, I’m not sure how many I would have but definitely quite a few. And I feel strongly about that in regards to Time Paradox Ghostwriter. Don’t even need to really change the characters. Just imagine the perspective being the high school girl whose rich fantasy world is suddenly in the pages of her favorite magazine! Boom! There’s a weird mystery afoot whereupon there’s a triple twist that it’s time travel, the ghostwriter isn’t a bad guy just pathetic, and also he’s desperate to bring it to conclusion as he knows she will die unexpectedly young. I think the mystery and twist angle would have drawn in young readers eager to find out what all is going on but nope. The protagonist has to be the kinda shlubby manga artists proxy, apparently. That and popping it online instead would have done it wonders
You find the female more interesting because they were written by a man, and appeals to men who tend to be interested in women due to sexuality. You've only revealed your sexist line of thinking to women like myself.
Hmmm... I feel like the TPGW role reversal unfortunately wouldn't work for a few reasons:
1. The brilliance of the manga the girl creates would end up dulled significantly if they show it in detail (since the amazing things you can imagine are always better than the things you see on-page, plus it would come off as really self-aggrandizing on the part of the actual mangaka)
2. It takes away the mystery of how the girl gets the inspiration for her manga
3. It kind of takes away from the conflict of the manga itself -- "struggling artist semi-knowingly chooses to plagiarise an inspired young woman and must now keep up the charade" is a much tenser setup than "girl thinks someone is reading her mind". Manga artist dude is pathetic but he does kick off the story by making an active choice, whereas these things are kind of just happening to the girl
Staying consistent, especially alone and beginning is near fucking impossible.
i cant stress it enough. weekly schedule for mangas has crushed more artists than it has ever made live from the craft. it is fucking toxic.
these people put down 40+ pages were anywhere else in the world, 1-10 pages is the NORM.
[that includes failures, redraws, corrections and tests, in case you're going thinking a manga is fucking instantaneously transfered from sketch to final]
even with a large team it's a big task. there's never a moment to just stop, read the script, check for inconsistencies, none. it has to be written, turned into sketch, cleaned, inked and scanned, printed, then shaded, then scanned again, then sent. it's not any easier on digital: the same steps are just on a screen that's destroying your eyes.
we've lost countless talents from decades of crunch.
i could make a list, but i'm not going to do that, by respect to them.
let's just say that passing before 57 marks serious health complications, and before 40 is absolutely work, stress and alcohol related. not that they're hard numbers. you're just not supposed to die that young, goddamnit.
When people get their mangas canned and let them go, it's not just due to popularity... its because they failed to keep with deadlines, health got to them, lack of motivation...
Not trying to continue on non official routes, like webcomics, is not easy (and also not a cultural habit, One is an exception). anyone who lost a job they truely cared for will understand.
Once you've lost it, clawing the rights back (or going back to that place) is f-ing impossible mentally. Once you get that strength back, the chance is usually lost.
that's why the doujin market exists.
that's also why i avoid jump titles in general.
[edited to make one point clearer, i've made a comic, during my arts studies and it clearly taught me how insane the grind is in manga, i litterally only made 24 pages starting from nothing in 6 months, and i was not happy by the results].
Sorry, where are people doing 40+ pages weekly? Jump has like an average of 20, and biweekly to monthly series reach 40 pages
@@willywitchdoctor It's still a lot.
@@thepedrothethethe6151 yes I know but it's not 40+ pages. I'm not excusing mangaka work conditions but we don't need to exaggerate the issue, doesn't add anything to the conversation
Also I should add OP I hope u don't read manga in general if you think Jump is the worst place to work lmao
This why Korean webtoons have whole teams of people working on the art. They can pretty much release colored work weekly.
@@willywitchdoctor The problem is the editing department. It's hard to do a chapter every week that needs to be editor approved.
Okay, I love this concept. If this is a pilot for a series about going through a Manga Morgue or Anime Archeology to grave rob or dig up some long dead manga concepts and see what we can lean from them, I am here for more!!
hikaru no go got completed. it's a out a ghost teaching a kid how to play a game called go. sometimes I say it's a serious jojo's playing a game with imposter syndrome and often gets into almost gay rivalry with another guy who's good at the game.
If you want more look up Shonen Flop podcast
@@nibblitman that is exactly what I was bout to say
Same. Please appease us with more of this content, Jeff.
A heads up to the Red Hood fans in case you didn't know, physical volumes in English for the manga are being released. First volume in December and all 3 volumes will contain extras for the fans.
Hey maybe it If it sells there’s a chance?
I’m pretty sure that manga would do great over here going off the protags outfit
in english? because I have physical volumes in japanese.
Yes, in English.
This is the one that most intrigued me and I felt had the most potential… I’ll be checking it out
"Looks like if Bakugou grew up to be Aizawa"
What a terrifying sentence
As a fan of Grimm Fairytales, I would've read the hell out of "Hunter's Guild: Red Hood". Also is anyone else getting strong Claymore vibes from this manga?
Haha yup it has similiraties but they sadly made the mistake of having the boy be the protag :/
@@Darktusken That hardly was the mistake, the mistake was sidelining any adventure and things that could establish it and quite literally stuffing the cast into a moving iron box to do a "Exam arc" instead.
I'm reading it and already hate the generic shonen protag.
@@emetanti there were multiple mistakes, also the pacing 3 chapters to destroy the starter town wth, those you mentionned and others, but point is there were many bad decisions , i believe people liked the potential of the series more than the series itself.
@@emetanti From other comments, apparently both the soy boy protag and the exam arc were pushed onto the author by editors, which is very believable.
I hope the authors are alright. The struggle of crafting stories out of the wish of making it a job is not easy on anyone.
I have been reading manga for years and the thing that I have always notice is once a long running manga author finished their series, they just vanish to obscurity. Like they can only make one good series and that's it, once they introduced another it gets cancelled pretty fast and I feel like the company just compares it to their previous work or expecting for it to make money real quick without seeing it's full potential.
@@kaelthunderhoof5619 On some rare cases the author's weren't able to live up to the expectations when making a new manga. Platinum End being made by the author's of Death note had people have huge expectations for it
@@teemo9141 yeah. Just like Naruto's author. This is just a common case of being known for something for so long that people can't associate you with other work.
Yeah me too. I feel so bad for them. They put their dream out there only for it to get canceled!
@@kaelthunderhoof5619 I hope they're all okay, especially mentally, even if they vanish from the spotlight. The grind sounds insane
Famous fantasy author, Brandon Sanderson perfectly describes what happened to Red Hood as giving the wrong promises.
He has a very similar story where one of his friends from college wrote an incredibly good book but as somebody who's very familiar with fantasy he got bored of it like halfway through. He told his friend, oh well, it's very well written but it's just not for me and when he was asked why he told his friend that it was just a bit too generic.
His friend got really bummed out and said no you don't understand that is what I'm doing: three quarters of the way through everything gets flipped on its head and you see that it's all totally different and I'm actually subverting the typical fantasy tropes and doing a really cool meta exploration of it all!
The problem was there was nothing to indicate that in the first part of the book. So, if you're actually a person who really likes typical fantasy tropes or your a younger reader who's not so familiar with them that you find them boring when you get to the late game twist, you end up like "what!? I thought this was like this, but now it's all this awful, weird stuff?" or if you're somebody who's read a billion fantasy books and you find all that stuff kind of boring or childish, you have nothing to hold on to during the first part because the book is telling you it's going to be a typical sort of boring fantasy story.
If you're writing a story like Red Hood or Brandon Sanderson's friend, what you need to do is plant some stuff earlier in the story, give some foreshadowing, hang a lantern on your tropes (this means to point out that you, as the author, are aware that it looks a certain way but there is an explanation and you will get back to it eventually. That way, the audience can stop worrying about it). Do something to show your audience that, yes it's going to get really crazy later! This is all just set up and please bear with me.
You have to give them something to hold on to because if they're thinking it's going to be one way for most of the story and then it turns out to be another way everybody is going to be disappointed.
This makes sense. Thank you for sharing!
This is very true! You honestly have to bring the premise, the ENTIRE premise, of your story as soon as possible. A twist isn't just promising something and then pulling the rug from under the audience, and people will feel betrayed by the initial premise.
I'm making a comic that's inspired by monster-of-the-week mecha stories, but I make it very clear in the very first chapter that it Isn't Just That. Hopefully people catch what I'm putting down~
And this is the genius of School Live IMO - the promotional material all sells this cutesy slice of life school story but the author hits you with the actual premise right at the end of the first chapter/first episode (in the anime). BAM, you know what you're getting now (if you didn't get spoiled before).
Do you have some more advice that you can share or that I can find online? This is some really helpful stuff!
@@TheDiabeticGameMaster Thank you for your detailed answer! This is super helfpul! I subscribed to your channel! All the best to you!!
Some folks are asking why creators who don't succeed in JUMP don't just take their series to another publisher, and there's a looooooooot of reasons why. For one, publishing contracts will typically have an exclusivity clause that lasts a number of years, meaning the creator can't just jump ship to their competition - this is true of pretty much any comics or publishing company in both Japan and the US. Thankfully the mangaka do maintain ultimate ownership of their work, so if they wanted to and waited for the contract to run out, and could find an interested magazine, they could start over or make a sequel there. The creator of Shaman King somewhat recently started publishing a sequel series to that one at Kodansha, and they're now the ones printing and releasing the original series' collected volumes. So it's possible. But it's extremely rare that a series will maintain notoriety long enough to outlast the exclusivity and be enticing for another publisher to pick up.
Another reason it isn't *common* is because there's just not a lot of business sense to it. If an artist is publishing a series in Jump, they'll already have an editor that they work with and an established relationship with Shueisha, which is more likely to help them get another series published - not necessarily in JUMP itself, but in one of their many other magazine or their online publishing. A number of authors who got cancelled in Jump went on to make successful series like that. Leaving for another publisher means cutting those ties and essentially ending any chance of doing business with one of the biggest publishers in the industry.
So even if a creator is fed up with JUMP/Shueisha and want to go to a different publisher, they're better off just starting with a new idea rather than trying to resurrect a dead one. Which is why I tell folks who fall in love with a short-lived JUMP series that they should start following the creator(s) and try to support whatever they make next. I know that if the creators of Hell Warden Higuma or The Last Saiyuki make anything, I'll happily support it, and that will ultimately serve them a lot better than insisting they bring back their old works in vain.
Mazinger Z succeeded in hopping to Kodansha’s WSM (which stands for Weekly Shōnen Magazine) because it and its author were screwed over by WSJ (which stands for Weekly Shōnen Jump).
@@SlapstickGenius23
That was in an era before even Fist of the North Star.
I absolutely loved Hunters Guild Red Hood. It had serious potential and I'm sure it could have been one of the great epic fantasy manga. Even with the sudden sprint to the finish line, the metanarrative twist doubled as commentary on its own (and thus other short lived Jump manga's) cancelation, and I have to respect that. Getting axed must be tough, and the creative direction the mangaka took that was executed just about as good as possible.
I buy that it was because the Editor pushed him towards doing a Training Arc early.
That same Editor has had other series cancelled early and when he was in charge of MHA was when it's numbers had a noticeable dip.
sounds like someone needs to be fired
Considering how rushed Dr Stone's ending was I'm starting to wonder if Jump wasn't holding the series at gunpoint because the reader numbers were starting to drop or if it's simply a case of author fatigue.
Jump has a long-standing pattern:
- manga becomes popular
- editors force author at gunpoint to stretch it infinitely
- manga drags
- numbers drop
- editors force author to finish it in 2 issues without warning
@@elilla3583 are you saying dr stone was dragged out? It didn't feel dragged out to me
The ending really wasnt that rushed imo. A bit, but yoy could see where it was heading and as someone who was reading weekly, it was fine.
@@AeonKnigh432 I personally find that it was rushed from how Senkuu interacted with the final enemy (not gonna spoil anything). You'd think that because of what they are, he'd ask more questions or show more excitement, this is a major discovery after all! But their conversation wraps up in the span of two chapters and then we get the epilogue and a bonus chapter.
The arc before that was also shorter than I thought considering getting to and exploring individual locations used to take a bit more chapters even if we didn't see that much of it, so going to several? I figured it'd be around 14-20 chapters. And it's fine that it wasn't, what we were given was solid still. Just felt that some more time could have been given to individual locations.
I'll never forgive them for getting rid of the great plot of Red Hood.
And the story was okay too.
It didn't sell
@@murderman8578 Sir, I was making a joke about breasts.
Debonair spinoff when?
yeah I agree
@@murderman8578 And? Point?
Man it's about time Shueisha realized manga isn't as closed community as it's before like 30-40 years ago. They literally have Manga Plus as their own product example that online stuff about random genre with reasonable schedule and multi language translation is needed by lots of people.
Most anticipated manga in 2020 to 2022 is published online for free without the stress of ever being cancelled because their feedback poll isn't good enough. There's like so many good title got axed early and too many title reign too long without any significant impact to the audience.
Manga on jump plus get cancelled too , manga plus only shows a select few of the manga in jump plus.
That's why I think Manga Plus should have paid option so "western audience" had a chance/validation to vote in popularity polls.
Boy if that happened the magazine would just be 20 action series of dubious quality while good series like Roboco and Akane Banashi are cancelled, no thanks.
Manga on jump plus gets cancelled all the time. You wouldn't know cause we don't have access to like 80 percent of Manga there
Wouldn't it be nice if some series cut from Shonen Jump before their time got a chance to continue serialization on Shueisha's online manga platform?
I started reading Tokyo Shinobi Squad because the art seemed interesting, got to the point where its dystopian cyberpunk future was was explicitly blamed on *g l o b a l i z a t i o n* , closed it and never looked back.
I'm glad I didn't miss much.
Seriously, if your political stance is basically "Abe Shinzo is a weak-willed lefty liberal snowflake", you got fucking issues.
I read like the opening few pages before we even got to meet the MC and just closed it. It looked really cool, but if you have to start your "ninja do ninja things" story with a whole exposition on how transit and globalization is bad, i don't have high hopes for you. It's ninjas! doing cool shit! It's on the cover! Why not start with that?
This just reminded me of GATE's atrociously nationalistic author and message. They get a cool idea with good potential - modern Japan gets invaded by a fantasy army from another world, which then causes Japan to retaliate through a portal and create a foothold in this new fantasy world - and then ruin it by bringing in unnecessary (and wrong) political stuff like painting the rest of the world (especially America) as this bunch of evil, greedy sorts who want to steal Japan's rightful claim to the fantasy land (nevermind the fact Japan is absolutely decimating the medieval-like armies of the other world).
@@tyrus1235 personally i wasn't phased by what the author did since from webcomics I've read i usually expect for the author to make other countries villains.
It's not wrong. Call it neoliberalism or global capitalism, they're similar concepts.
I think it's interesting to note that the "Jump Graveyard" is, technically, once again a "consequence" of Dragon Ball. Back in the early 90s, as Dragon Ball and Slam Dunk, WSJ's crown jewels, were approaching the end, the magazine suddenly plummeted in popularity, as Shueisha was very much hesitant on giving chances to new authors and relied almost entirely on those two manga. In a panic, Shueisha did start shutting down most of what was left (including one of their remaining successful manga, "Captain Tsubasa: World Youth", for some reason) and start taking in title after title, which is how Eiichiro Oda, Hiroyuki Takei and Masashi Kishimoto got their chance to finally shine.
P.S. Interesting to note that Yoichi Takahashi, arguably the man for which Japan has a professional football association league thanks to the immense popularity of Captain Tsubasa, got his revenge on Shueisha when they came back to him crawling, having remembered that Japan was to host the 2002 Football World Cup, and gave him the spot for another Captain Tsubasa series, "Road to 2002"
As a lover of tall and thick women, and an advocate for proper representation for that body type, I'm sick to my stomach that i"m just learning about Hunter's Guild: Red Hood today, and that it's already cancelled.
There's a softcore hentai manga called do you like big girls, story isn't amazing but it'll give you your thicc fix
Read dorohedoro
😭 this is the one that hurt
Idk but something about the way that you describe them in conjunction with called yourself an "advocate" makes them sound like a marginalized group lol (no hate)
This is a genuinely incredibly interesting idea for a video (and an evergreen idea at that), good work Geoff - would love to see more like this in the future! :))
Boy do I have a podcast for you
"This is a manga about a dark fantasy world where dark monsters stalk the innocent. The only thing protecting the citizens is an elite guild of hunters of which our red hood clad heroine is one. So OF COURSE people thought that this was a little too much like-"
RWBY?
"-Chainsaw Man!"
Oh...
I've always thought that reading Red Hood was like reading claymore; from the perspective of Raki.
Yeah no lie I read Geoff's description of it then looked it up and am like "So this is like RWBY?"
My exact reaction-
I was thinking Demon Slayer.
I’m sorry, I know we’re going to be digging deep into the overarching themes of the final manga but I cannot get over the line “he was also rumored to be involved in the Justin Bieber incident”. The fucking WHAT incident? How can they just drop “the Justin Bieber incident” on me with no explanation and expect me to take this manga seriously in any way???
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who caught that and went "wait WHAT"
See there's your problem. You're never supposed to take any piece of entertainment seriously. You're supposed to roll with the punches. In fact, any critical analysis worth its salt starts with meeting the piece of work on its terms, not on yours.
@@dontmisunderstand6041That’s nice and all, but it’s not really that relevant of a response to most of what ahuman6901 said. You’re kind of missing the forest for the trees here, seemingly because one innocuous sentence set you off on opinion tangent.
@@cloudstrife4534 How is "You're not supposed to take things seriously if the story doesn't want to be taken seriously" not a relevant response to "How do they expect me to take this story seriously"?
@@cloudstrife4534 could you give me the timestamp for then justin Bieber incident part in the video
just looking at a few pages of time paradox ghost writer in this video got me emotional, now i am extremely sad it got cancelled, the world truly is unfair to artists
I would still recommend reading it. The ending is super incredibly compressed, but its still pretty good and the idea will leave you think for quite a bit.
When I read Tokyo Shinobi Squad while it was coming out I thought it was pretty ok and got a little bummed out when it got axed. It only now occurred to me how little I actually payed attention to the plot or dialogue lmao.
I disagree with his opinions that it's overly political. If you suddenly allowed an influx of people into the country like shown in the beginning there'd very easily be an influx of organized crime. Especially since the Yakuza's power has vaned they probably couldn't fight back.
@@GamerGrovyle it would maybe yeah, they are more violent societies for sure, you can even search for how many homicide there are in Japan vs Usa(who isn't anywhere safe levels of a developed country) and Russia have also crime, China has some turbulence so you can make it an argument, but it would make more sense japan don't care about his citizens for decades meanwhile population decline and that broughting crime🤷♂️
@@GamerGrovyle I can't tell if this is a Thermian argument (arguing from the implicit position that any story detail is OK if the author states an in-universe explanation) or just a failure to pay attention to what Geoff said about the politics.
@@timothymcleanoh I was looking for a term for when that happens
@@timothymclean
It is true that if you let every person in you will have migrants who refuse to assimilate. The reason why Japan is so safe is because they have strict immigration rules.
I'm still mad about the cancelation of Red Hood. A manga with such great art direction, slow burn world building and SSS-tier waifus deserved better.
Debonair for life
I’m gonna check that one out
I read it literally last week. While it's definitely a shame, I quite liked the meta feeling of cancellation though
I really can’t wait for Kawaguchi’s next project
That training arc was really a mistake. It’s like every interesting aspect of the worldbuilding got thrown out the window before the story even started.
I love Zombie Powder. Great characters, even side characters would have full bios. The only problem was the powder itself was a boring macguffin. The real good stuff was the bio-engineering and that was really only revealed in the final chapter
It was a lot like trigun but had potential.
I liked the powder as a MacGuffin, but it didn't have complete time to develop and there were other interesting things. I think if the series had continued with how the rings worked we would have seen some pretty crazy situations, the rings clearly had a "conscience" so maybe one could have been completely independent and gone on a killing spree.
I wanted to know more about Gamma's past and who was "that man" which whom his style of swordsmanship should have died with.
@@Alacaelum there was some chick from his past too
the macguffin that ate people was boring?
I was so, SO pissed off when they cancelled Red Hood and especially Ayashimon. I was really enjoying them both and they were both killed off too soon.
I feel the author of ayashimon didn't know what he really wanted
@@ShonenFlop That is precisely why we usually let authors have some time to find a footing and figure out a direction. Punishing a slow start is just bad form.
@@ShonenFlop I think cramming all of the world building and exposition of power system in early chapters really affected it. Hell's Paradise did those things after like 60-70 chapters and in a much more coherent way. Also the artstyle and characters were superior in every way even from the 1st chapter. Kinda sad that he couldn't bring the same magic with Ayashimon. I hope he doesn't give up. I love Hell's Paradise and I hope he brings another series with same magic.
They canceled Ayashimon? That's too bad. I was enjoying reading that one on the Viz Manga app. Might have to cancel my subcription with that app soon. It is only $2 a month, but it feels like they have less and less stuff you can actually read as most of them require you to buy the manga volumes rather than be included in the subscription.
@@zed-up One trend I've noticed with a lot of recent Shonen Jump manga (by which I mean "every series released in the last year, at least") is that they feel the need to frontload their manga with as much as possible, like they're expecting the entire series to live or die based on readers seeing that first chapter and already understanding what makes the series cool. It's ruined a few series I otherwise think I would have loved, but in an environment like Shonen Jump, I feel like it's an inevitable adaptation that mangaka would evolve, hoping that their manga won't underperform in its first month and get cut before it has a chance to prove itself.
I absolutely love the concept of everyone knowing your name and identity BECAUSE you are the best shinobi.
I remember when MB made one of these obscure manga videos talking about how Spy x Family would be a banger of an anime one day. Nostalgic
Also Chainsaw Man
Holy shit, gotta stop at 13:58 to die laughing for a minute after that delivery.
"He might get dinged for Regicide....which is a charge not a lot of orphans beat"
that was a pretty neat story idea
I wonder how predatory these Shonen jump contracts are that an author has never decided to just continue their series on their own time
i think the standard is that they share rights with shueisha, but series like Shaman King have moved publishers so it’s not ironclad. Biggest reason is likely nobody wants to pick up a series that already failed and self publishing isn’t a super viable avenue for success and most of these writers would rather move on to try and make something more successful
Agreed. If it was cancelled, it probably wasn’t doing too hot among the Japanese readers in the popularity polls. Starting over might be better.
It's the Japanese, man. The stigma of doing that is not for the faint of heart. There, you either stick by the rules, or everyone shuts you off. It's not even that big of an exaggeration. Japan is tough on some things. After you get known and have a fan base, you can decide a lot, before that, don't even think about it.
Its less that Jump is predatory, and more that getting published in Jump is basically the ONLY way to make serious money in the hypercompetitive shonen market. Less popular publications might get 1 or 2 big successes a year if even that; Jump is putting out basically all of the bangers and having your work in the same mag as freaking Dragonball is a big predictor of success.
@@TheInfiniteAmo Mashima is successful and he doesn't write for Jump
As a reminder: A GOOD PREMISE DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN A GOOD MANGA. You can have a totally unique first chapter, but if the writing and characterization isn't up to par it'll enter the U19 club. On the other hand, Demon Slayer and Black Clover may be generic, but they excel because they executed their cliches well.
Like, I enjoyed Red Hood. But when the first few chapters after the debut screeched the plot to a halt when they stuck around the hamlet, and then afterwards when they teased a completely crazy world with tank crabs and then spent the next ten chapters in a metal box, it was a dead series walking.
Yeah, a lot of interesting series face the issue where they have a strong first chapter but then take to long to pick up from there afterward so the next few chapters are kind of meandering and don't add enough to the world or core cast and then by the time they start trying to address those things it's too late
@@Aaronrules380 Exactly. Potential means nothing if it isn't realized. Why bother with a manga which has a mediocre first few chapters but it'll get good, I swear, when you can read a manga which is good from the start?
@@jaybeans981 "One Piece" has entered the chat.
Huh what, a good premise automatically means a good manga? I have a good premise about am electric hedgehog pokemon, I am going to make my greatest manga ever called sonichu.
@@lordanubis1458 one piece had amazing first chapters
I'm surprised you didnt talk about Masashi Kishimoto's failed manga that he wrote after finishing Naruto, called "Samurai 8" that lasted less then a year with only 43 chapters
Honestly same. It was solid as a start and then abruptly rushed to a finale. Very disappointing...
His twin brother had a less successful career I believe.
@@kobzelfn9588 Kishimoto is a twin...? O.o
@@pyrosianheir I believe so
@@kobzelfn9588 He was decent enough to do an entire manga that ran for a few years.
The MB motion graphics team really went all-out on this video. Great work!
Time Paradox Ghostwriter had a dope premise, and even though it got cut short for reasons I completely understand it was given a satisfying (if abrupt) wrap-up. Absolutely worth hunting it down for anyone who is even a little interested in its premise.
Seconded!
I loved it. Once I smelled the cancellation I got really upset
I would not recommend, utter waste of timr
It's not terribly long, only like 14 chapters or something. If you're curious it's not a big time sink.
I was a dope premise that then shot itself in the foot any time it addressed its own premise.
This is something I’ve always wanted to do. Make a video about a bunch of axed Jump series. See how bad things could get and if there were any hidden gems. Honestly Geoff you might’ve just gotten a fire lit under me to make that first video. Just gotta choose one to do first.
Do it! It's a really interesting topic of discussion 😁
Hope you do it!!
Honestly would've loved to see you talk about Doron Dororon, I think it's a textbook example of a manga (at least seemingly) being too afraid to step out of the standard shonen tropes and it suffers greatly for that. I'm not typically too critical of things I read or watch but this was a manga that made me think "ok, but when is this gonna gain it's own identity" from about 4 chapters in and that feeling stuck right up through to it's last chapter.
Pretty much. They kept repeating beats between the two main leads, the power system was lazy, the villains were goobers. Not a great manga
I legit only kept up with that one because Kusanagi was adorable.
It was the author's second try after Golem Hearts failed and he just was too afraid to try something unconventional as he just wanted a success
Doron Dororon was like a shonen grown in a test tube using cloned dna from every popular series of the last 10 years.
@@demonoflight roughly, same here. Kusanagi appealed to my taste for shapeshifter characters, and that’s basically all that kept me on.
That Tokyo Shinobi Squad was able to stick around so long despite being horrible really tells you something about Japan.
Japan has a serious issue with ultra-conservatives fucking up pretty much all aspects of society, but it's rarely ever taken seriously by the world community. It doesn't help that so many abroad fans of Japanese media are chuds and completely fine with conservative talking points rearing their ugly head in many creators' works.
Yeah, the series is like what would happen if Naruto started more than halfway through Shippoden and every time someone use a technique there was a pop up wall of text to explain what the power was, what it did, who taught them it, whether or not it was a clan exclusive trait or whatever, etc.
well to be fair not all series are kept around because of "popularity" some series are kept longer simply because they dont have anything else ready and need pages to be filled tokyo iirc was kept around along with other unpopular series (one of them being yui kamio i believe) because they had no replacement, ayashimon was cancelled earlier than doron probably because the author had other projects coming (he had announced not long after the cancellation that he was working on"something " on twitter) so doron probably had its execution date extended by default despite poorer sales
@@Darktusken Oh I see. I did not know that. I just assumed that there was a long waiting list and that titles would get kicked out the moment they underperform. Thanks for the insight.
@@Avatarbee earthchild could have also been ended a couple weeks earlier as it had the perfect moment to end it but got prolongued a couple weeks .i also wonder if thats what happened with yozakura family initially , as theres a moment where a chapter ends with a cliffhanger that could lead to a big final climax for the series and the chapter after that , the cliffhanger is casually thrown in the fridge for later use , i wonder if it was meant to end but got spared because of that or because perhaps they say saw something like increasing sales and decided it could have a future long term but whatever the reason its doing well now , for that matter samurai 8 also lasted longuer than it should have all due to bias (it was the creator of naruto ) and/or the hopes he could turn it into a success as they had spent so much on marketing it (french and american publishers had already planned their release of the volume overseas before it was even published in japan ) i myself got the the two first volumes! (not chapters) free as a sample ,and comedy series for example usually last longuer despite poorer sales because not every genre have the same sales expectation as others, but bottom line theres a lot more to keeping around series than it initially appears.
Before I start this video, I'm just gonna say that Ayashimon getting axed was a god damn CRIME and I hope it gets talked about in here.
"His expression game is second only to Goda himself"
How quickly we forget Golden Kamuy
Truuuuuue.
Asirpa eating miso noodles for the first time is among my favorite double page spreads in manga.
Or Ken ishikawa
One of the things I find very endearing about Dandadan is how clearly the artist was inspired by Golden Kamuy's comedy faces.
It's also a weird statement because Oda's not particularly good at expressions. He draws cartoons, not faces. It's kinda one of the trademarks of his art style, the fact that he draws cartoons.
Also, another note about axed manga - other UA-camrs have crunched the numbers and found that the ratio of cancelled manga in Jump has mostly stayed the same across the years. We think there's an uptick now because Viz decided to translate all manga in Shonen Jump, not just the ones with promise - so the series that last 19 chapters or less would normally stay in Japanese Jump, never to even be seen by us.
We see all the series cancelled and cry about lost potential. But this is simply par for the course, we're just seeing titles live and die in real time now.
Whenever manga is in a bull market, expect this sort of thing to happen. Gawrsh, I remember the bull market of the late 90s-mid 2000s, which gave us imports of stuff like Hamtaro. Not sure if today's bull market is big enough for them to translate older U19 club members... We still haven't gotten giants like KochiKame, for one.
@@austinreed7343 It depends. Viz previously licensed a couple of series Tatsuya Endo made before Spy x Family, even though they were U19 material. Fist of the North Star is getting a translation decades after its release because it's a cornerstone of shonen manga. It all comes down to if there's a justifiable reason for printing a manga which ended years ago.
@@jaybeans981
Yeah. Hoping for Kinikkuman, though it has a lot of problematic imagery that may end up giving it an adult only label.
I remember when I read Red Hood's One Shot and I was in the hype for years, and the manga was cancelled, and I cried ;-;
Did the Red Hood Oneshot hint at the revelations seen near the end
i've often wondered if it would be feasible to double the amount of stories your running in one of these magazines and just make them all bi-weekly on alternating schedules. split the big names up, so you don't lose out on sales and give your authors an extra week for breathing room.
also, keeping up with jump, i knew from the first few chapters that earth child was doomed. it had an interesting first chapter but it seemed like it didn't know what it wanted to do afterwards so it just flailed around until cancellation. good luck to the current batch of newbies in the magazine: aliens area, tokyo demon bride story, ginka and gluna, and (if it ever returns from hiatus) ruri dragon
I've been thinking about this for a while - I get from a business perspective you want a magazine out every week, but there's still ways to do that without having everyone on a weekly schedule.
One of Shueisha's big weaknesses as a company is that they only have ONE weekly magazine and two monthly magazines per demographic at most. That means when times are good all the talent is concentrated in one place, but when for instance a lot of your most popular authors end their series in relatively rapid succession (like over these past two years) things can start to get hairy, fast.
Other companies like Kadokawa and Shogakukan have a lot of different magazines per demographic which *seems* a lot more unstable and unfocused, but is actually the opposite-megahits AOT ending, for instance, might make a bit of a dent in your bottom like, but you have so many other series that are decently popular among a more niche demographic that it isn't something to worry about.
Making WSJ biweekly would
a) Improve working conditions for mangaka, obviously.
b) Allow you to start a lot more series at once
c) Still allow you to have one, monolithic magazine
So many of my favorite manga are biweekly now and I love it because it actually gives them a chance to breathe.
As a counterbalance to all these series that ended early, you should read the series that is so good that it (ironically) just refuses to die despite how often the japanese publisher decides to move it to another magazine and how many delays it has faced in the english publication: Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service.
I didn't even know it was still going! I need to get back into it, it's a great series.
@@tampabaybuccaneer10 One of my favorites. Dark Horse stopped publishing individual volumes but are now publishing it in Omnibus format with 3 volumes per book. They initially just collected the existing volumes into this format. Last month they finally hit book 5 in this format, meaning a new, previously untranslated tankobon (volume 15) was published.
I think it's pretty fun to look through the Jump backlog for niche short run series as well. The short but semi successful career of Kazu Hajime has gotten me pretty hooked just recently with manga like Mind Assasin being pretty fun and meiryoutei goutou seijuro having a concept that I like with absolutely no English translation.
i think it s important to note that while the business is cuthroat, almost all manga writers failed several times before writing a succesful manga. its like starting a business or writing a book. so, a lot of these manga writers im sure will find success in the future
Doubt it.... the market is flooded with nothing but isekai. And with readers slowly gravitating towards colored webtoon. It's hard for mangakas to keep up. A lot of characters also don't have any charisma. Which is a huge problem for Jump. Because the readers are children they want a hero they can aspire to be.
@@zhenyucai8688 webcomics are slowly being flooded by Dungeon manhwas
@@zhenyucai8688 Doubt it? Literally a recent example is Yuki Tabata, who some years ago was getting his series axed in less than 30 chapters and nowadays is running one of the Weekly Shounen Jump flagships
@@gerardoalexandergarciamend7053 Survivorship bias. Much like businesses, most mangaka fail. Peoole, however, only see the successful ones causing them to have a skewed perception of the industry.
@@hypothalapotamus5293 Yes but you can apply that exact same logic to everything, including webtoons
Not gonna lie, I think TPG had a bit more going against it that just the whole "audience doesnt care about plagarism" angle honestly, it had a huge issue in being very quick to wrap up plot threads and jump into the next one, which for a series with as potentially limited in scope as that is a huge killer of potential.
Like the plot point of the original author being suspicious? Solved the chapter she meets him (Chapter 3)
Her not having a series to work on? Well she got into one pretty quick.
Short build up arcs are important for making your manga understood, but TPG did short arcs that also were major plot beats that should really have had more time to develop, and that incredibly cut down where it could go in the future, so a short run time was pretty much always going to happen.
The way it would solve problems then completely shift like that made me feel like each chapter was written by someone different.
Yeah, that was an issue, it’s like the author wrapped all the threads in one chapter so there was nothing interesting to look forward to. Also I think the main character just comes off super whiny and privileged.
Not to mention plagiarism is abhorrent thing in any creative or academic field and manga didn't really work with that concept well.
Yup, people want to scapegoat the audience as not being mature enough but the mangaka killed their own premise at every opportunity. It wasn't the audience who didn't get the premise, it was apparently the mangaka not knowing what the point of their own series was. People want to think it was good because of the premise but it dropped the premise immediately.
I’d like to dream that Time-traveling ghostwriter would play out well in a US-publishing house: the thesis of it that you describes is thoroughly present in the US superhero comic industry, since a given superhero is never allowed to end forever
Hearing you describe Tokyo Shinobi Squad makes me think I owe Boruto an apology.
The thing with Jump having so many series is that they honestly don’t know where the next hit will come from. If you look at the current line-up of successful jump series, you got people like Shinohara and Matsui who have made successful series before. You got people like Horikoshi, Gondaira, or Tabata who made some axed jump stuff before making a successful series. You got people like Tozuka, Akutami, and Suzuki who did a few one shots and were assistants on other peoples stuff before making their own series. And you got people like Komoto who kind of just showed up one day.
On the other hand there are series like Samurai 8 or Build King from successful mangaka that turn out horrible.
A great series can come from anywhere so really you kind of have to just throw stuff at the wall.
I'm curious since you seem to know the past work of the Jump authors, what can you say about Kouji Miura and Takamasa Moue? Both have had massive success and I'm curious what they did before.
@@Blaze_1013Miura had a failed series in another magazine before she did blue box
Moue has only done a couple one shots along with his writing partner. It seems he’s a more “out of nowhere” kind of guy like Mapollo-3
@@iancole2279 Awesome to know. Thanks :)
@@iancole2279 Not entirely, Moue wrote a very short-lived soccer manga called "Olé Golazo" from late 2016 to early 2017.
@@lordanubis1458 RIP Bamba the Man.
Ayashimon was a series that i was waiting until it found its footing to read, unfortunate that it never got there
That series had so much potential, it and Phantom Seer had what it took to be the next big series in the magazine alas…
It was so good I needed it to continue and then it just didn't.
@@larsnyman2455 Potential means nothing if it can't be realized. What would you rather read - a series which is okay at best but it'll totally get good by chapter 20, or a series which is good NOW?
@@jaybeans981 a series that’s a 6/10 in the first 10-20 chapters but evolves to a 8 or 9/10 by chapter 30 or 35 as it gradually evolves from mechanical and thematic standpoints, which is why Phantom Seer’s cancellation was such a disappointment
@@jaybeans981 the former. if we were judging manga by how good they were right off the bat, the best selling manga of all time wouldn't exist.
As a regular reader of Jump, I'm really happy to see bigger anitubers talking about both the series that have been lost to cancellation and why that happened, but also the severe crunch culture that plagues Jump (and, to an extent, manga publishing in general).
Imagine if we lived in a world where artists could just take their time to tell their stories how they like
Rumiko Takahashi did that with Mermaid Saga, I believe. It was an indie project
Damn you, Old Man Capitalism...
Have to go indie and I’m not sure if that’s something you can do in Japan and actually be successful without a huge manga house backing you.
@@Toastcat890 It's obviously technically possible as shown by One but you'd have to really stick out which is the reason going with a manga house seems to be the safer way (even if it's still far from "safe")
Unrelated comment but I like your OC/self-insert in your pfp
Time Paradox Ghostwriter and Phantom Seer are by far the saddest cases of series cancellation I've seen ever since I started reading Jump on a weekly basis. I really hope the writers and artists find success whether in Jump or elsewhere. Date and Matsuura's art is especially beautiful, whoever lands either of them as a partner is obscenely lucky. I mean, Matsuura's art is the sole upside of Tokyo Shinobi Squad!
The training arc of Red Hood was a total mistake. It lost me for a few weeks there and I'm sure a lot of readers felt the same, I don't know how many were able to come back to the incredible wrap-up like I was.
One thing of note from Barrage; there's a character who verbally weighs two ideas against each other to explain his motivations, and the visuals show said character literally "weighing" the text bubbles that contain potential motivators, with his chosen motivator resting lower than the other one. It's a brilliant bit of visual storytelling, both funny and inventive, the kind of thing you can only see in comics.
I don't really have anywhere to go with this, it's just something really cool I noticed when Barrage was serialized and have never seen anything like ever again.
Horikoshi has some cool ideas like that in Boku no Hero Academia as well, I remember an instance where the bubbles are shaped like the character's heads, it's neat.
He is a fantastic artist, especially for eyes and hands, but goddamn, that story is bad right now. Last chapter was rather refreshing, but the damage is done.
@@aerrowqueingwhat happened?
The manga I'm saddest about is Actage. Although the reason it got cut wasn't because of Shonen Jump but because of the author, so it just makes me a lot sadder that such a compelling story was created by an author who can't have basic human decency.
Oshi no Ko and Akane-Banashi are decent replacements if you want to fill the void.
@@jaybeans981 Especially Oshi no Ko. That was so satisfying.
Actage was about to become the biggest manga/anime. Shame the author was a predator
Although it's a lot older, you might like Glass Mask.
@@teemo9141 biggest ok calm down
I first got exposed to this with the whole deal with Hachimaru, but what really angered me was the cancellation of Red Hood.
Zipman is likely my favorite manga on this list. I liked his ability to Megaman his enemies, but at the same type having a visible limit to how many powers he can steal, which would force him pick and chose ones that work best for him. However that never happened. Instead he simply took the first four powers he came across that he wasn't disgusted with and stuck with them for the rest of the run, which admittedly wasn't much longer.
While it did have some nice references and the like, it failed to developed the characters at all, or even two much with anyone beyond the two brothers. The most prominent female was the childhood friend who both brothers had a crush on, and there wasn't much to her character beyond that. Although if it kept going it seems like she might of had a more active role in the story once she found out the secret they were hiding from her, but by then it was too late as the series had clearly been axed and was rushing to an ending.
Tokyo Shinobi Squad had really good premise, we got ninjas in cyberpunk tokyo, fighting against the crime and corruption.
But it all got ruined by BAD writing.
More like mediocre writing.
@@digimonlover1632Nah it’s just plan bad
A manga that deserved better was Candy Flurry. You could tell that A LOT was planned, but the series had to wrap everything up within 3 chapters.
Didn't deserve anything
I would have liked to see it get better if it had more time. Sadly it had a rough start and I can see why people would drop it.
@@Megaman12Protoman14 I think the idea of candy being weapons or even utility is interesting
Imagine gobstoppers as bubble shields
Or curlywurly's as ladders.
With some series on the worlds different sweets you've got something special
Just sadly it didn't have enough to make it all interesting and worth while.
Maybe I should reread it and see if theres something I'm missing
@@arbetor12 The eacalation of the powers showed some pretty good creativity, and I liked the personalities of the two leads but... it probably would have benefited from some tweaking to the premise. Maybe making the cast older or changing up the pacing. Imo it felt too fast, but I loved how Red Hood was paced and people called that slow so maybe I'm just weird.
Hearing about these what-ifs, could-have-beens, and never-should-haves is fascinating. It's also great to see you dissect what did and didn't make these titles work, and how even the promising ones failed to find an audience. I'd love to see this become an ongoing series. The Jump graveyard is overflowing, and you could go grave robbing for several more videos.
God i hope Ruri Dragon doesnt get canceled
SAAAME
its honestly hard to tell depends how long the author is unable to work,because even if they dont cancel him right away , all hype could vanish if it takes too long and lose the readers.
I'm surprised MHA's author is the same one as Oumagadoki Zoo. I remember reading the one shot shortly after it was fan translated into English, but it took some time for a proper serialization, so I never got around to reading although I was happy it happened when I found out.
Hi-Fi has a pretty cool power system idea imo. It just needs to be overhauled completely in literally every aspect.
If you dig the sticker gives you abilities aspect, check out Blazer Drive. It's the same concept but more anime-ish powers and the sticker designs look good. It's another pretty short series too.
@@shouta1255 i'll have to check it out. ty
dap me up
I will never forgive Jump for forcing the end of Psyren to be rushed because they were going to cancel it. One of the best series that will never get an anime (and absolutely friggin should at this point).
Totally agree mate psyren deserved better it's still a dope manga but the ending was tarnished
that and Mx0 are my biggest grief from the canned Shounen...
I was looking for the Psyren love down here. Absolutely agree. The story was so banger, and it's sad it had to rush to the end. It deserved better.
That was a great manga. I really liked the plot of them traveling to the future and then changing things in the present causing the future to be different every time they went back. I hadn't realized it was going to be canceled, but that makes sense now thinking back to how the ending went.
Ruri Dragon, a novel slice of life manga that **may have** (edit: bolded for emphasis, cause we don’t know if it’s cancelled or not and going by replies I accidentally implied it as a certainty) been cancelled because of the author’s health. Hope they’re all right
Ruri Dragon is on indefinite hiatus, but it most definitely hasn't been cancelled. While we don't have a lot of hard numbers to go on, it was easily one of the most-read debut chapters on Jump's online platforms, and by all appearances was set to be super successful. And JUMP has certainly been willing to wait for an artist to recover if their series is popular - World Trigger was on hiatus for over 2 years before it came back and is now publishing in a monthly magazine so it can continue. So providing the author is healthy and willing to continue, it definitely has a chance of coming back in some form.
So far it's on an indefinite hiatus. I'm really hoping it'll come back strong soon and am hopeful on it not getting cancelled since it's first volume sold so remarkably well it reached demon slayer numbers the week of release.
Last I heard it was on hiatus until the author could return. They haven't put in a replacement series for it yet at least.
@@caosisaac I'm not sure where you're getting that info, but Ruri Dragon's first volume hasn't released yet (probably because there's not enough material for a full volume) so there's no way it's "reached demon slayer numbers" or any numbers.
@@poseidonson13 a couple popular chapters don’t mean much at all. What matters is maintaining that popularity. Maybe it could’ve but I thought it was a long shot from the beginning since it doesn’t have any real conflict or story. But especially now that it lost any momentum it had with the hiatus. Id bet money it’s canceled within 20 chapters
If you founded a Equivalent platform in the states and spoke about the manga with the passion that you always do, I would buy, subscribe, and tier 1 donor the money. Leverage your eye to bring us the content that deserves to be seen… just a thought. Love you man hope you feel better.
Webtoons... just recently the artists just spoke out about deadlines, crunches, low pays and no communication with the platform's staff.
ever heard of Saturday am? they're an indie us equivalent to jump. their most popular title is apple black.
I really love these like "media literacy" videos you put out, it just makes me appreciate the artists and story's so much more. i just would've never gave much thought to this stuff on my own.
Yeah at one point I used Shounen Flop as an excuse to check out some of the cancelled series and man some of them really showed why they were cancelled. And others I really would’ve loved seeing them in full telling.
I really wished that they never cancelled phantom seer that series was so good the art was great the story was great and I loved the characters. That one and ayashimon and red hood were also other series I enjoyed too.
I've read a good chunk of the short lived series from Jump and Phantom Seer is the one I was most disappointed to see get axed. It didn't have the best start, but it found its footing and became a really impressive series.
its especially sad that phantom seer didnt even get axed because it was a flop but because it wasnt even more succesful, i honestly wonder if in the digital age if its not an outdated method like couldnt they have transfered the series to digital only? i mean i understand before that as you needed to liberate pages for other stuff, but if a series is profitable these days surely it could be kept around?
@@Darktusken While most the series that get cut from Jump are because they just don't find an audience, it is weird that they'd just totally drop a semi successful one and not move it to another one of their platforms. Jump Plus (think thats the name) seems as if it would be the perfect place to put something Phantom Seer.
indeed , also makes me wonder if perhaps there wasnt some behind the scenes shenanigans we arent aware of in this case, i mean high school family is still around ( i know comedies arent expected to sell as much as something as phantom seer but its not even selling well for a comedy and its been going far too long for it to be one of those cases where they dont got a replacement for it yet.)
Died laughing when you called the minor antagonists in HiFi "some Bakugos."🤣🤣🤣
This Shonen Jump strategy is exactly why I don't read any of their new releases for an entire year. Too much emotional damage.
MX0, Magico, Red Sprite, Psyren...
Thanks for reminding me of MX0, something I read way after it'd finished and then was like "Wait.... that's it? Where's the rest?"
How’re you liking Sakamoto Days and Elusive Samurai?
Yeah.... Mx0's ending was such a waste... On the other hand, Psyren might have been canceled but I think it ended very nicely and would have actually lost its appeal had it gone on for too long. One rare case where the manga was canceled at the exact right time IMO.
Psyren is a series that desperately needed an anime adaption during it's run in order to stabilize it's popularity
Man I loved Psyren back when Shonen Jump was publishing physical magazines
I remember reading Candy Flurry and I loved the idea. It was bizzarre (basically people fight using sweets and theres a special police force fighting sweet users who have forks as weapons) but who cares? Its manga, mangas have been weird for years. But of course it got cancelled at like 16 chapters and ended with a mech battle that came out of nowhere.
I hope one day Barrage gets a second chance. I love the concept and Horikoshi’s art is beautiful as always and it deserves more love.
Maybe it could an animated series? I don’t know just an idea
I'm very interested in how a travel system brought in slums. Were they, like, flat packed or something?
Also, not to bash Japan, but if the rail also connected to North America, why on earth would immigrants cram themselves into the much smaller Japan?
It's like racism doesn't really make sense
@@ShonenFlop whats even stranger is the villains (at least the ones presented in the vid) seemingly have nothing to do with those events the greedy dude even has a japanese name and doesnt look foreign ( i guess he could be an immigrant with japanese ancestry as a longshot) making the thing even more confusing
I mean, they come to europe via tiny boats. How is it far fetched to think that a globally connected travel system brought even worse results?
@@Rekop33 Slums do do they? Love to see how poor quality residential buildings steer boats...
Put your offerings to the recently deceased here:
Ghostwriter
Moriking
Phantom Seer
Build King
Our Blood Oath
Robot x Laserbeam
Cop & Dolphin
i tell c
Nine Dragons Ball Parade
Candy Flurry
Red Hood
Neru
Magu-Chan
Ayashimon
Shugomaru
Doron Dororon
Earthchild
Ruri Dragon, probably
you forgot noahs note & golem heart...
I think Ruri Dragon is gonna stay.
I've been hearing a lot good from other readers and I'm loving its simple character interactions
It's a little out of the norm for jump but it's still great.
I do recommend it. Just go in for the characters and not action and you'll see its charms and strengths
i expect Ruri Dragon to be moved to jump plus at worst given all indications are it was well recieved before the author had to start a hiatus super early in the run for health reasons
Woah they killed off Doron Dororon? Holy shit I was just reading that one!
@@NightmareBlade10 yeah it had low sales after a decent first volume sale.
After that it kept dippin
I think Burn the Witch could be the perfect Kubo manga between Zombie Powder and Bleach. It's pretty interesting and the pacing seems better. Hope it comes back soon
This. I need more Noelle.
Same at least it's not technically axed and Kubo can come back to it any time (probably once Bleach finishes airing)
@@OseiTheWarriors you’re giving me too much hope
hopefully once he finishes supervising the bleach anime, right
right
right???
Yeah. As much as I love Bleach because it continued to do what I liked about it (battles leading into more battles while Kubo experiments with new art shit. also it does a lot of interesting stuff with Buddhism, especially its various methods towards Enlightenment) I really think things like Burn the Witch would be best for him. He's still doing the stylish shit he did with Bleach and still playing with things. The way he used like the way sound effect bubbling works and looks for Bruno's one attack sticking out to me right now.
But like...It was a one shot and then it was a miniseries. So it didn't really run into Kubo's plotting weaknesses and it also didn't run into the issue of him literally killing his shoulder from the weekly manga workload. I'm really hoping that Burn the Witch can just be like...A thing he occasionally gets to revisit to do a new miniseries with. Or just the idea of him getting to do miniseries in general, honestly. I love his style a lot and he's honestly probably my favorite shonen creator just because I like how he's always trying out new weird visual things or playing with his panel layouts. But the man does have issues with the longrunning plots that Jump tends to favor, while his vignette and short story plotting tends to be pretty good.
Candy Flurry had a pretty straightforward premise but I liked how silly it was. That and Red Hood's cancellations had me bummed. I also wish the artist of Act Age, Shiro Usazaki, who was completely independent of the author, gets another series; their art style is really cool.
This was a really good video. Great content honestly. Something I didn't think I would care about but ended up watching the whole thing without even noticing it.
Thanks so much for the shout-out! It was awesome having you on
Oh thank god, I though Zombie Powder was a fever dream I had back in grade school…
Beside the excellent and thick plot of Red Hood, the pacing was really bad. It took them 2 or 3 chapters, don't remember exactly, to solve the initial attack on the boy's village.
porobably lost a lot readers patience, we got the tank hermit crab chapter which was good and could have lead to more little adventures fleshing out of both the worlds and the leads, but bam we got a exam arc out of nowhere at point where the series was nowhere near ready for that
Is it just me or Horikoshi's art looks kinda like Kingdom heart' ish . I love the sketches Nomura does , and Kohei reassembles it
Someone whos only seen Kingdom Hearts: Wow, this looks a lot like Kingdom Hearts
Anyone remember double arts? that thing was so good for the short period of time it was being done. It was done by Nisekoi's artist Komi Naoshi, but was a battle manga.
I do. I read it back in the old days, as it was being scanlated- first axed manga that ever cut me personally. And then... then Nisekoi of all things is what gets to live. Happy for him, bummed for me and a world that does not appreciate art.
Some Shonen Jump manga make it to the end of their run and gain many fans in the process. Unfortunately, some don't get a fair chance and others get canned before they can really get going.
I’ve seen Jump cut series at 100 or 200 chapters. If it goes downhill in the Japanese polls, it gets cut.
It's been nearly 15 years, and I will still never forget how Double Arts got done dirty.
I thought I was the only one. 🥲
I thought of that one too...
I'm still salty about Rave Master tbh
@@tyrus1235 why? Rave didn't get cancelled or rather it had a really long and conclusive run. Unless you're mad about it not getting a full anime which I completely understand
The chick with the bladed hula hoop was the best part.
My personal knife to the heart was Nine Dragons' Ball Parade- in my opinion it had the best start to a baseball story that you could hope for with an atypical protagonist and a great cast of characters. It was getting so interesting before suddenly there were no more chapters appearing in my Jump app :(
ACT-AGE is still the one I'm most bummed for when it got cancelled just because of the authors shinenigans. It has all the potential to be a all time great series.
So sad for the artist
It was about to get a musical from what I heard. The author would've been set for life if he wasn't a predator
@@okoe1785 the artists is working on another series from what I've heard
When i see info about it will be adapted to become anime i really hype, but then the author do the thing i feel so heart broke
can't believe they punished a poor child predator. because being one is no big deal am i rite
I wish to pay tribute to "Psyren".
A fine story of high schoolers and psychic powers combined with an amazing take on a certain SPOILER plot element that fuels an investigation into a ruined world and how to save it IF it can ever be saved.
It managed to complete its run but was rushed and didn't really find an audience due to really straddling the line between Shonen and Seinen without ever really settling on how mature it wanted to be.
I wholeheartedly believe that if it started Shonen and turned Seinen after the BIG reveal it could have been a masterpiece.
Always glad to see Psyren get a mention. I've heard that the ending was rushed, but reading through the series, I didn't even notice. Really wish it would get an anime already. Psyren deserves it.