God bless you my brother in Christ.. Keep doing what your doing. Mr. Phi jase all are great leader I Christ.. I bible study on the unashamed podcast. You're a great leader in Christ.. God bless. . Amen😉
I like that you're one of the people using this social media and this technology craze people are in, to your advantage. Spread the word and reach masses. THIS is what this country needs. More "influencers" like yourself that can change this evil world. It makes me sick to see that a "celebrity" now-a-days is defined by how many likes you got on your newest CHEEKY post. That our youth are now normalized to things that were never shown on T.V before. People need to be woke. Woke for the word of God
That's a lot of money for a t-shirt bro. I love Jesus, but i can't spend that much money on a shirt man. Love you though. You keep it real all the time
This kid's argument was essentially that free speech allows those in power to "harm" those who aren't in power. The problem with his argument is that anyone who has the power to then silence "hate speech" is themselves the one in the position of power, so the result isn't that the weak are protected from the powerful, but that the powerful get another weapon which they can use to silence the weak. You haven't reduced the power of the powerful, you've actually increased it.
Exactly, free speech is for the "powerless" or the person with less "power" still have a right to speak out/up. Many people look at free speech as a victim, rather than a warrior.
EXACTLY. They tried to cancel an Ivy League professor (who was a POC himself) for being against censorship, but he replied that the same free speech allowed the Civil Rights movement to be possible, and had this censorship power been true and realized, the powers that be would’ve prevented it from ever happening.
You don't get to decide what is and isn't worth hearing for others. You can walk away or turn the channel or click another link for yourself. The freedom of speach protects everyone, even the dopes.
Jordan is always next level…one of the greatest minds of our time…take notes Jordan is what a real man looks and acts like! Educated, intelligent, well mannered, and well spoken…and yet there is a huge difference between educated and intelligent…rare to possess both!
Sorry to dissapoint you, but that is valid only in the West. I mean, in English langauge. There are much bigger and wiser minds then him, You just never heard about them, because they dont do it in English. The things that Jordan Peterson explain are actually very normal and every teenager from Eastern Europe knows it. But since the West is mostly Infantile societies - adults in body, but babies in mind, this guy count as ,,Genious", Philosopher, next level, greatest mind and so on. Dont understand me wrong, i follow jordan peterson before he become famous. I know how he was thinking 10 years ago and i know what he is thinking today. He is developing GREATLY. The fact that he started to accept GOD makes him Wise, not his intelectual ,,powers".
More people need to realize that. "Education" is not enough to prove just how capable and intelligent someone is. So they got good grades, or did well in class, are you truly able to grasp things, and implement them.
This was a very enjoyable exchange. The college student was quite articulate and communicated superbly. He is clearly working his thoughts through, brave enough to engage such an intimidating speaker, and clearly appreciative of Jordan's response (he seemed to be clapping more enthusiastically than anyone else). I am sure this student did not leave this event unaffected and this exemplifies what college should be about - the exchange of ideas.
The problem is that he is repeating ideology and not "his" ideas - you can easily trace back on his "ideas" because they are not ideas but planted thoughts, and its not hard to find out who planted the thoughts into his head.
@@JonnyK595 I don't see the repetition of the ideas of others as a problem, especially since every human does this. All ideas can be traced back. I am sure it would be easy to trace back who planted the ideas in your own head (or mine). Ideas aren't true because they don't originate with us (nobody has completely independent thoughts).
JP has a way of explaining his arguments that have no holes in them and then hits you with his opinion and both seem to be understood by many people and so intelligently presented. He is certainly a great mind of our time 🙌
if you like JP, checkout Deepak Chopra (🥳🥳🥳) He also articulates nonsensical notions incredibly well, and has helped me massively on my spiritual journey. God Bless..
Of course, Jordan is right. Society can’t even wholly agree on something as basic as the definition of a woman as presented by Matt Walsh. How the hell are we supposed to define something as arbitrary and/or conditional as “hate”? To regulate hate speech would inevitably lead to the criminalization of opinion which we already see playing out in the court of public opinion.
@@davidtuer5825 that minority is just a tool ppl in power use, to fck majoritys. the millionares, billionares, trillionares behind those minoritys, are the real ones speaking louder. if tomorrow they stop supporting any of them, you wouldn't hear a thing from them.
Yes--and those among us who are watching this charade and have intelligence know that the suppression of all dissenting speech is the actual endgame. "Stopping hate speech" as some gesture of compassion is a lie.
I wouldn’t even call this a debate. It was elucidating for the student. He was willing to share what turned out to be ideas which needed to be developed (they were unrefined), and Peterson helped to refine them. Well done
not just the student.. it clarified an entire sub-set of ethical standards for many who were listening.. just in its simplicity, shone its brilliance. I swear the collective IQ goes up in a room, any room, in which peterson speaks..
It's better to let some speak and know their intentions or way of thinking than to silence them and be unprepared for their actions. What a beautiful conversation between 2 intelligent thinkers.
"It's better to let some speak and know their intentions or way of thinking than to silence them" does that apply to teachers/professors in K-12 and college campuses?
@@Wolfspyder5 I don't think teachers should be teaching their own personal opinions in the classroom, especially to children. Educators have a curriculum and should not be teaching anything outside of those qualifications.
I think it is funny how sometimes I think JP is not taking a strong enough stand, until I listen fully and realize he actually is doing so. You are correct, Devin. People can disagee without becoming dsagreeable. Good analysis. Now, let's go be a blessing.
@@jan_phd If Jan says so then it must be true because Jan is never wrong and Jan is the worlds spokeswoman for everyone and Jan has a PhD. So stunning, so brave.
I just love these deep conversations. I was actually in a rehab facility for fentanyl and crack when JP went viral in the fall of 2016. They gave us our phones back for the weekend and I found him in my darkest hour. Now I’m clean for 6 years and his teachings helped me tremendously. I no longer watch him for personal development, it’s for these different social issues that he tackles and coincidentally they are now his most relevant. I’m totally a JP junkie.
@@squalman8567 I believe it. But wtf man. Both have the shortest freaking half life. Like wtf? Gotta stay dosing them every few minutes (or have a fent patch, etc) if you don’t want to come down. That’s hell.
God bless Jordan Peterson. I pray for him often. It cannot be easy to keep your character and stay humble in his position. Many before him have fallen to corruption. Keep speaking the Truth Jordan! We love you!
Neither is homosexuality or people being transsexual, because its in minority. Do you have problems with that too? You seem unfit for a democratic society.
@@Simon1985_ its called expressing empathy. Normal people can pray for other's well being for for the sake of their well-being. Your response sounds like something a washed up leftie would say, only being to relate or care for someone due to their opinion rather than their intrinsic worth as a human being, you seem rather Stalinistic in that sense. I guess that makes you proud though 😂
I loved the way the student said thank you after asking his question and how jordan peterson smiled it made me smile. It was so wholesome and made me love both people even more.
This man is one of the few famous people I tell my kids is a real role model. He genuinely says what he really believes regardless of what others are saying. Even if you don't agree with him you have to admire his firm beliefs, amazing knowledge and willingness to fight back.
Have you read his book "12 Rules for Life" Rule 8: Tell the truth. Or at least don’t lie (Summarised Introduction Below) "Day to day, you may lie to the outside world to get what you want and to avoid pain. You tell lies to appear more competent, to gain status, to be well-liked, to prevent conflict. This is you manipulating the world." "On a deeper level, you may lie to yourself about what you want. You might have a dream life envisioned by your younger self, without probing carefully into whether you really want it (career and retirement goals are common examples here). You may entertain ideas about what you really want, but deceive yourself into thinking they’re impossible to reach or undesirable after all. You then act in ways that you paper over with more lies, but deep down you know it’s inconsistent with your beliefs, and you feel unsettled." "You may not be actively misleading other people, but merely lying by omission. This isn’t any better. If your boss does something you dislike, not confronting her about it is still lying - you’re acting inauthentically, not in accordance with your beliefs. If you habitually avoid conflict, don’t complain when mistreated, and suppress your own ideas, you’re still lying to yourself. This makes you feel weak, because your existence has little real meaning. You’ve become a tool to be used, obliterating your independence." "Even worse, on a meta level, you may be in denial about lying to yourself. You may believe that your truth is the only truth, and that no amount of new knowledge can change what you believe. That all important facts have been discovered, and that everything will work out perfectly." "Your lie may begin with protecting yourself from reality. You may believe reality is intolerable and must be distorted. You want to avoid that short-term pain. But after a certain point, the lies take on a life of their own." First you start with a little lie, then support it with further little lies. Then you distort your thinking to avoid shame of those lies. Then those lies become necessary and become ritualized into unconscious action. The longer you lie, the more you believe it, and the harder it is to undo.
@@AC-mp7cx He was a smart kid with a curious mind, as every student in college should be. He will go far in life however many of his peers will fall into the despair of the left indoctrination unfortunately.
True but I guess that general can define what are the key point to be considered as hate , which encourage to violate other rights and lives . I mean I’m sure that it could be agreed on basic to start with no?
He would be better to not JP since the message of JP is basically do nothing but of course be a hypocrite and shut off the left at any point so that only the right-wing opinion matter
Sure [the young man has a future in public speaking], if only he can do something about that atrocious accent of his. I have to assume that his being bullied for the way he speaks was a big part of the motivation for his line of questioning. My advice to him would be to see a speech therapist and fix it. He's the one with the problem (he's really goddamn hard to listen to), not everyone else.
I went to the same school as the "Intelligent Asian Student" from elementary to high school, and he's about a year older than me and I’m 24. His name is Brian Wong, btw. We weren’t close or anything but we used to live in the same neighborhood, so it's hard not to miss each other. Brian has always been very intelligent and bright, and I always felt he was on another intellectual level compared to everyone that I knew in my life. The funny thing is I still remember that one time when I was sitting on the same row just across from him on the school bus and thinking about whether I should start a conversation about Xbox and Playstation 😂(we were about 9-10 years old at the time), but ultimately decided against it because I thought he wasn't going to be interested in video games lol. We did have some good laughs and conversations on the school bus rides back home, good old days. By the time we reached middle and high school, it was obvious to me that Brian was definitely getting into an "Oxbridge". He really set himself apart from the others. Our teachers even had an inside joke where the term "Brian" or "Brian-level" is the definition and golden standard for academic excellence and the highest achievers. Anyways, I haven't seen him since high school. We connected on LinkedIn tho it's always a great and interesting read whenever he posts. If I'm honest, I'm not surprised to see him have such a thoughtful exchange with Jordan Peterson. This is just some Brian-level stuff 💯(at least in my eyes).
Mason, you sound like a good skin, here’s a small suggestion. Never hesitate to reach out and make a friend, there is zero downside to it, absolutely none. Even if the person doesn’t want to be your mate, who cares! The biggest upside is they may become a lifetime friend.
Love hearing J.P. discuss issues. He is truly a gift for those willing to listen to him. He explains why risking offending is important without being offensive in his explanation. God bless.
If you watch his body language during Dr. Peterson's rebuttal, you'll notice he's not holding back applause when his arguments are dismantled. I don't care if his thinking was flawed; he's young and willing to learn. That is how it should be. Mad respect to him.
@@okaythankyoubyeee2501 No It doesn't work that way. I am PRO CHOICE... therefore.. I am NOT aloud to be in the Republican Party. If you think free speech means you can say anything without consenquences... Tell your boss you're arent coming in on Monday. See how far that gets you.
I go to Oxford University and have done for a while. From what I've seen, the student is a regular who tends to always be respectful, well-prepared and thought provoking. When I reflect on his talks, I feel encouraged and have a sense of appreciation. If he acts with integrity, I think he could help many people.
It's wonderful when JP is allowed to get his whole thought across. He starts off slow in showing that he understands the question completely. Then he systematically pulls it apart thread by thread.
Exactly. What I admire is his ability to phrase out a logic case in real time. I generally only understand these kind of topics by intuition and only could explain it to someone who doesnt have the intuition if you give me hours to write it out. But it's all a question of practice!
This is the epitome of the exchange of ideas and knowlege through positive discourse on a respectful and embracing level. My hat is off to both. In a world of jeering, shutting down or canceling opposing thought and tantrums from bullies that have mastered the victim stance, I'd love to go back to this. Great video and commentary btw Devin, keep them coming brother.
Yeah, this wasn't a debate. This was very impressive and impressionable teaching for a young man that was genuinely curious about something important... silencing our fellow men and women during ACTUAL debates and the fear that people will be ostracized to the fullest extent if they say something that's on their mind.
That's not what that kid said. He wants speech restrictions, and he stated that some of them (and I'm assuming that he is referring to his peers) are so immobilized by the words of another, that's why he wants restrictions. The problem is WHO GETS TO DECIDE THE PARAMETERS ON PEOPLES SPEECH.
How he articulated that answer was perfect. I love that MSM calls that man a "fascist" and "homophobe." Intellectual conversations like this need to be more common.
I don't love that MSM calls him those things! That's HATE SPEECH ISN'T IT?! Aren't we supposed to hate fasicm & homophobes? One thing I hate the most is DOUBLE STANDARDS & HYPOCRISY!! JP is a GOD SEND!
Devin, love your show and I went to see Mr Peterson in Dublin, Ireland. I was one of a few women among men. He is a great man and God bless all the good men in the world today. You are a great man!!🇮🇪❤️🇮🇪❤️🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
If all debates were this way, in which expressed opinions didn't devolve into yelling and argument, we would be able to understand and move onto topics that need actual talking about and get them solved. This is the best example of a debate I have seen in a while, especially it being two well articulate people talking to each other. The structure of the points being presented was just amazing. here is a reference, this is my opinion, this is the question i'm proposing to you, give me you're take on what I have provided.... just fantastic stuff.
Being civil in discussion, even regarding topics you are quite sincere about, is required to reach nearly any consensus. On the contrary, being loud, rude and labeling others will appeal only to the extremes on either side...and seldom reach consensus.
You know when JP leans in to listen and then hits that fingertent, you're about to learn something. This man is a treasure and I'm happy to hear him discuss things with an intelligent young person who is approaching in good faith like this.
ABSOLUTELY . In _MY_ *never* to be considered "HUMBLE" opinion, THIS is the KEY to successful DISCOURSE and genuine PROGRESS in the human condition . I look back on what The Founders did on THIS VERY SUBJECT, and note with some gratitude that _they_ made THIS VERY TOPIC the heart of the very FIRST Amendment , and to the VERY FIRST TIME in the HISTORY of _HUMANITY_ that these things - these _truths_ - were codified into LAW !
I was perplexed seeing to see an Oriental speaking with any kind of British Isles accent. I have nothing against anyone, it's just out of the ordinary.
A civil debate and sharing ideas from different perspectives is one of the most important things you’ll see in this day and age. This is a great example of that. Thanks for sharing and love it that you just let this one roll. You know what you’re doing bro.
"A civil debate...in this day and age." Are you serious? This discourse is an exception, not the rule on college campuses, Chicago streets, in school classrooms.
"The fact is that censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion. In the long run it will create a generation incapable of appreciating the difference between independence of thought and subservience." - Henry Steele Commager
As someone who does not follow religion, due to the corrupt ideas of the church, I love hearing your input on these hot topics of our society. Keep up your great content, as I will keep viewing.
Jordan's rebuttal was incredible, despite the kid having great depth to his question, he's one lucky kid to have such an in depth answer from one of the greatest minds in modern history.
Gross -- you are gross -- Stop hero-worshipping. Jordan is very well aware of the words his says and the dogwhistling it is received as. Jordan has been broke down and rebuked -- you just have to be open to search-it-out. The media does not care whether a leftist-or-rightist character evolves as long as some of their views require big gov't protection schemas. All politicians compared to French Free-Market 17/18th century Left-Anarchists (free-market theory was born on the left - in fact Left-Progressive-Conservatism and Right-Progressive-Conservatism BOTH exist on the right. Ron Paul was a slightly right-of-center minarchist and EVERYONE ELSE is right-of-him -- meaning "the right" has leftists and far-right thinkers. Communism and Socialism (America is 50/50 Socialist / Capitalist -- according to Milton Friedman)......The ONLY Left-of-center thinkers exist as non-politicians, even Libertarian Party is right-of-center -- in the same way that Trump is the head of the Tea Party even though it was created for Ron Paul 2007 (which is a just right of center minarchist -- small gov't platform). All that being said -- Jordan is a far-right "thinker" -- he said things that flamed the flame of Trump supporters and in every way possible "supported" Trump-think -- although, the fair-weathered-survivalist that he is, Jordan is now saying Republicans better wise up and put someone other than Trump in office -- calling Trump a bully and ineffectual to his original brand "I'm the winner".
@@OctoBox it appears you have absolutely no idea of what far right means, if you think Jordan is far right. He's mostly conservative for sure and for all the good reasons, traditional values, unless you think personal freedom and taking responsibility for oneself is a bad thing? He also is classic liberal in many ways too by respecting the individual instead of group think (far left and far right). Overall you're totally misrepresenting what he has said and a bit over dramatic by the fact you think my comment equates to hero-worship, like really, are you 8 years old? 😀, in fact he has criticised Trump plenty of times saying he's a very divisive figure mostly so you're already contradicting yourself, you just want to see him as your bogeyman despite the fact you already admit he's said good and bad about Trump. Maybe instead of using such terms as left or right you should focus on what specifically Jordan said that upset you, because so far it looks like you just jumped on some populist bandwagon for no reason. Your understanding of what's left and right is way off. Be more specific instead of tossing a vague word salad into the comments, and people might take you seriously.
Great depth to his question? He literally verbally vomited statement after statement after statement before asking his question. I actually got tired of waiting for him to get to the damn point.
This is one of the best examples of civil discourse I’ve seen in a long time. This is why I like listening to Jordan Peterson. His arguments are well thought out and they are backed up by experience and research. Hats off to this young man for posing a really important question but allowing Mr. Petersen to actually respond.
While the young man's statements are well thought out, they are also neive possibly brought about by his youthfulness. While hate speach may be distasteful, it does serve a purpose. Being offended or offending someone and being forced to deal with the consequences increases a person's value to society. Personal growth comes only after paying the price of risking personal development. Sometimes people fail to grow and withdraw, but sometimes people grow and grow stronger. Better for the individual, and the better individual creates a stronger family and a stronger society. Give me a mature adult that can stand in the face of the insults.
@@toddgardner2826 It is indeed a naive prospect, but kudos to him for asking and seeming to listen to the answer as evidenced at 9:35 where I think you can see the questioner clapping in agreement regarding the Cathy Newman insanity. Naivety is not necessarily a problem, it is the inability to grow from it that is (alternatively, ignorance is cured by knowledge)
I get emotional every time I listen to this man. Some people get emotional listening to classical music, reading a poem or maybe even eating. I get emotional listening to intelligent speech.
What intellegient speech? I don't see any intelligent speech coming from JP! JP is a huge hypocrite in regards to free speech since he will silence anything speech that is toward the left without a second taught. And of course, what he says about free speech is essentially do nothing. The reason that doing nothing is wrong is because of the paradox of tolerance which will result of the intolerant being the one in charge.
Apologies but I find your comment quite bizarre. By "emotional" you mean, you cry?? We are by default, emotional creatures. So I presume you feel some emotion at all times, like the rest of us. So I interpreted "emotional" as overwhelmed. If your answer is Yes, I would have follow up questions.
Y'all notice when he said "why should you have the right to say something offensive" and everyone started clapping that even the young man asking the questions was clapping as well? Much respect for both sides asking AND listening. People have different views on life and the only way we reach common ground is through open communication
I really would just point him to the "so what you're saying is" interview. Personally I'd just tell him "because if I have that right EVERYONE has that right."
This kind of nature in discussing things through is being lost by the white noise of group thinks and movements. But ultimately, people need to realize: offensivity does NOT = hatespeech. Hatespeech = offensivity on a whole different level...it's intending to diminish something as it is, and then some. Offensivity is completely subjective, and up to the individual's coherence and how they take in their information. For me to say that I don't like Polar Bears, that's offensive to some. For me to say I want to KILL them all, or see them wiped off the earth because I just DON'T like them at all, THAT is hateful, and can in turn be defined as Hatespeech. People are mislabeling and heavily misconstruing the actual language of offensivity vs. the language of hatespeech. Ironically, it is those who are arguing against hatespeech that are in turn inciting hatespeech onto others. That solves nothing. "Hate cannot drive out Hate; Only love can do that." ~ Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
@@Peaceful_Gojira Yep. Hatespeech requires intent. Offending somebody does not. Hell.. I'm eastern european and I offend most of my fellow citizens just by taking the same bus in the morning... Hate is also a form of aggression, while offending somebody is not necessarily a consequence of aggression. Point I'm trying to make is that you can accidentally offend someone, but you can't accidentally hate them or "hatespeech" them.
Jordan is the one that filters out opposing comments on his video channel. If you read the comments on his video channel, you have to believe that there isn't a single Liberal on the face of the earth that want to watch and comment on his videos . He's all about free speech, as long as you agree with him. You can edit videos and you can filter out comments, all to control the narrative , and suckers fall for it. Don't be a sucker.
Sure, because neither are “persons of color” speaking about racism on a platform of disagreement Good luck with that debate especially if the “N” word is introduced even in an academic context This is an example of a free speech comment that could easily incite violence in certain arenas but because someone acts violently should not render the example as a criminal offense, The offense should lie with the perpetrator of the “from words to the physicality” The one throwing punches would be allowing words, thoughts to move them to loss control through frustration anger and the lack of self control, regardless of personal experience, regardless of history of unfair treatment these physical acts of violence should never be without consequence 1 vote for Free Speech bar nothing
@@gitarman666 the issue with your story, is that you’re basing that off of your own emotions. There’s plenty of people who don’t deal with being called the N word. Trying to decimate one obstacle only creates another. The point that I got from Jordan, was if it’s not broken don’t try to fix it, because if you try to fix it without knowing for certain you’ll succeed you can make it worse. Somethings are just best to leave alone.
I really like Jordan Peterson, he is very intelligent, he is so thorough in his answers and states nothing but facts, and he's always so calm . I enjoy listening to what he has to say.
I just got a community guidelines strike for “Hate Speech.” I tried to appeal it and they denied it in like 2 hours. I also sent a message in the appeal asking them to at least tell me what was said that was wrong and I never got a response. I streak with a lot of people and I am usually pretty careful about making sure they don’t say anything that would get me a strike. The problem is anything anyone says is hate speech because any option you share will offend someone on this world.
People "like him" are too busy in university, or medical school, or researching etc to become this way, to go into politics sadly. the people who go into politics can spend all day shaking hands and kissing babies because they don't feel a pressing need to learn, or understand, or develop the critical and clinical thinking skills to actually have any of these debates - the days of the serious thinkers going into politics evaporated a long time ago sadly.
Agree or not with this kid...my goodness is it nice to see a kid who know what they believe, can articulate it, and obviously adequately defend it if he is asked to. I can appreciate that. Nothing worse than some college kid hammering you for what they believe about you or the world with no way to substantiate it.
Nobody here has commented on the questioner applauding JP as he was answering the question. That young fellow has a free mind, I'd love to know where he is now (this was JP in 2018, 4 years ago).
I also want to point out that the questioner was receptive to JP's response and didn't interrupt him and instead listened. Take for example where he said "tell me if I'm wrong", then JP interjected with his response to that, and instead of shouting over JP he stopped his question, listened and then proceed to finish his query. The questioner also clapped with the rest of the crowd when JP made a solid argument and did not attempt to convert that of which JP had said into flagrant denial like most popular interviewers do to him.
Love watching people try to debate jp, truly an intelligent man of our time. I'm glad those young students got to listen to someone that isn't filled with rhetoric.
@@InDisskyS131 well, that young man has risen to a level of a man. How many grown men do you know can hold an intelligent debate like he has done here with a power house that Peterson is? Few, i assure you. This young man may be a child, but he has the mind of a grown man.
This was a really good discussion. Both the college student and JP engaged in good faith and focused on fleshing out the issue at hand and not simply about being right or wrong. This student got a golden opportunity to match wits with one of the top intellectuals around and he held his own. This is how every college classroom should look like.
@Wings over the World Because having a good thorough conversation is extremely refreshing and because we are all that student at one point in our lives.
You never ever had unrefined developing thoughts that are not completely aligned with reality? Like you were born with perfect knowledge or perfectly self-aware from birth?
Peterson has opened my eyes regarding human nature. I’m 74 years old and I find myself still learning. I am grateful of his knowledge and admire his character and hope to guide what’s left of my life in becoming adept in his teachings. God bless the man for what I consider, wisdom.
I’m envious of you, that you likely grew up in a time where he wasn’t an anomaly. I’m sure you had your struggles as well, but nowadays someone speaking sense is a rarity
Jordan Peterson makes me long for the days when I was young. There are too many people nowadays who think they're brilliant but just show their ignorance and bias every time they open their mouths. This is a great video! Both are brilliant in their comments.
I loved JBP's line about the worst person to define hate will eventually rise to the position of defining it. This is a simple concept, but something people who live sheltered lives in countries with strong, time-tested institutions often completely ignore. The reality is that bullies and sociopaths thrive in environments that have severe punishments for the breaking of fluctuating and ill-defined rules. That is their bread and butter. You create a system where these types of people can not only doll out severe, socially accepted punishments, but do so anonymously, and make up all of the rules as they go along? That institution will be filled with sociopaths in less than a generation - I don't care how "noble" the goals were at the start.
Not really, as the same speech can be defined as hate speech by some, fine by some others and by others again something they don’t agree on but not defined as a result of hate. Same speech, no different words.
@@ns88ster I try to answer but my comment is removed, not sure why as I do not write anything offensive to anyone???? The only thing I can think of is that I used the words (C) ensored and (c) rime, not accepted here....
@@a-aron6724 You're confusing confidence with arrogance. It's a live crowd and he posed his question well and in turn, got a well-articulated answer. So what if it was effeminate?
@@a-aron6724 This is the very thing Jordan was alluding to.. majority of those listing to him would have found him confident and articulate... However, some outliers such as yourself do exist, unfortunately.
It truly saddens me that we have come to this point where no one wants to be offended by anything, to the point that they feel that they can bully someone if they don't share your views on anything. We can't agree to disagree anymore. As for free speech, just because you can say something doesn't mean you should, not because it offends, maybe because it is just plain dumb.
If someone is offended by my speech I say "Be offended". If someone doesn't like my free speech I say "Don't worry it's free so there's plenty more where that came from".
@@csabo1725 - _AND_ - they are CERTAINLY _FREE to *BE OFFENDED* . In fact _I_ ENCOURAGE_ it ! *BE* OFFENDED ! - in fact I'm here to HELP offend "YOU" (the perpetually _offended_ ) in your quest to BE _OFFENDED_ as much as is *_HUMANLY POSSIBLE_** !!*
Is that how you convince people ? with arguments and civil discourse. I've seem it working with my own eyes, I can't believe it works, but it does when both parts are good civil humans.
I think I would change that word, "aggressively", to assertively. It did not feel aggressive to me at all. It was a passioned query, which is far different than aggressive.
What I enjoyed about the debate was that "EVERYONE LISTENED" With" no one interpreting " That is what you call a civilised debate. Every one prepeard to listen to the views of others ! Fantastic
i am always star-struck by the way he is uses words in sentences that are not filler and serves strong purpose for the whole sentence and thought. He is a a mastermind
It is the reason one should endeavor to master the english language. The greater you vocabulary, the greater the complexity of your thoughts and therefore the way you speak to others about them. That is true of whatever language you know.
This was an ideal example of what university discussion should be. If you don't understand things then you ask questions to better understand something. There are times when you don't have to agree but that is how opinion is formed. I have learnt so much by listening to people I don't agree with but I have to go into the discussion with an open mind. I am not lecturing but rather sharing opinions and ideas.
This success is because Jordan possess an uncommon amount of common sense, and has the intellect and experience to deliver the thoughts commonly. When I first listened to his university lectures they were beyond the 'not psycology student'. His form has changed so that all levels of learning and intellect can understand clearly.
Absolutely brilliant! Great conversation and points between the two. Loved the cool-headed discussion. The kid has a great head on his shoulders and JP only strengthened that.
I actually really appreciate that you did not interrupt but let the clip play, then gave your thoughts after. Most reaction videos don’t do that so this was different, but I think I prefer this style. Thanks
That was an excellent example of how free speech should work - a civil intellectual discussion exchanging ideas without resorting to name calling and anger!
Freedom of Speech is given by GOD. Also, your mind, emotions and will. Use them with great responsibility. And dont ask someone who dont feel any shame, to ,,shame". People who have no moral, no dignity, no trust in GOD in general, also have no shame. Leave them alone, somebody else will deal with them. Get your head clean and proper - this is the ulimate freedom. The freedom is from GOD and comes from inside of human beings. You are free inside, not outside.
Freedom of speech should be a right that everybody have in a non fascist world... but, that's not today. ppl who hate you, will find the way to hate you in the most polite way. words are just tools. the word 'dog' doesn't bites. isolated words, or words without context are bullets without guns. the intention behind words is what matters. and it's Not always understood by others. Tha's why you need an open debate. Law should only apply when things get physical I'm not saying they should censor guns or not, but to censor speech and not guns, it's a huge contradiction. words doesn't kill anyone.
What this kid is saying, happens everywhere with everyone in all contexts all of the time. In the work place you can't speak up against management without fear of retaliation, in a group of friends you can't speak out against them without fear of retaliation, etc. etc. It is a never-ending loop of situations where it's hard to speak up in fear of a larger group retaliating against you.
Student: "blablabla, logos, blablabla, individualistic expression, blablabla hate speech..." JP: "You mean someone may think your ideas are stupid and you want a thought police to stop them? Well, let me tell you why that's a bad idea in words that don't make your idea sound stupid..."
Ironically, hate speech regulations and laws only end up giving the very people we are afraid of speaking up to or against , extra power and control over our speech .
Which is precisely why group thinking should be discouraged and individual thinking admired. Those who argue for freedom of speech do so, because they don’t wish for their less popular opinions to be clamped down on, and shouted down by those with following.
There's an old saying, the wise listen, the smart speak. Meaning those who lack impulse to think through their arguments often are the ones who recieve stern rebuttals.
And the same goes for the right to bear arms...."leave it alone, because anything you do is going to make it worse...not better." Also, throughout history; the ones who want to infringe upon your right to bear arms...are the worst who should be doing so. They are those who plan to do something to you which would have you use those firearms against them.
The 2nd Amendment is a pretty easy argument. Anyone who attempts to take away firearms from law abiding citizens is planning something that they know they would get shot for doing!
Thias is a point that needs to be shared with the rest of the United States. Too many people try to regulate our speech today, thinking they are improving society. Instead of regulations, we need more open discussion.
This is a wise man that history will appreciate in the next century if it does at all... The man who was born too soon. But I am glad to be in his time and have the privilege of listening to him.
First, much respect to the young man asking the question on many levels. He obviously is genuine to arrive at a truth, AND, unlike me, is very articulate and successful at presenting his thoughts in an understandable way! He has my respect for that.
But the flip side is this young man, who may be enrolled in this University, did not realize that whatever rules you make can be used against you. Has he never played a game?
Imagine asking this question, a well thought out question and having this man provide a response like this. He will remember this for the rest of his life and I hope he gets the chance to speak with Jordan again.
Jordan is an idiot though. He's a professor of psychology but what makes him an expert in a sociology question? He isn't but he apparently believes so. He opines in many other fields he is clueless in, sowing hate and division.
@@morninglift1253 Psychology can segue into sociology. You're biased which is fine. But to say he isn't qualified to speak on such a question is another tactic commonly used for suppressing a person's speech. "You're not an expert so you can't speak on such." Pretty good way to silence up to 90% of a room at any given moment. Not good at all.
@@morninglift1253this is not true. he has more than enough knowledge in sociology to be considered an expert in that field. I dont get it why people think that you have to be a professor in a certain subject to be competent enough to speak about it. This guy is 60 years old and has an intellect which is incomparable. Additionally, he dealt with sociological question basicially his whole live. To call him clueless in sociology just shows how much you know this man.
@@morninglift1253 Jordan Peterson believes he is an expert in everything apparently. He basically believes he is the second coming of christ or something the way he talks, and sadly, his fans seem to believe the same thing
Can you imagine getting in trouble in school for stating your opinion and disrupting class. Then the teacher calls your parent in for a conference and its Jordan Peterson lol.
I dont know if mikaela was home schooled or not but if she went to state or private school, im sure some teachers had some very uncomfortable meetings with him and his wife.
thats exactly how you know someone knows what they are talking about. A proffesor of mine used to say, "if you can't explain a concept in a simple way so that everyone can understand it, then you don't even understand it very well yourself"
JP is definitely correct but I have to give the kid asking questions huge props for a very well thought out inquiry. He was respectful and you. Pull even see him nodding along with JP's answers. It's nice to see an exchange of ideas that goes well.
It's really really sad that this is probably the smartest person I've ever seen have debate with Mr. Peterson. That guy is a student and he clearly thought out thoroughly his question and was prepared for follow up dialogue. I think this is the first time I've ever seen Dr. Peterson interact with someone who was actually on a similar plane. This kid is going places. Hopefully he uses his powers for good and not evil. Lol. But seriously...
@@stephenmason5682 causing harm to any other living creature, absent legitimate reason and lacking in remorse? The next question obviously becoming, "What is to be considered legitimate?"
@Shipdacheese I bet it looks just like when you make a compilation of kids in Australia that can't point to where they are on a globe. It's easy to find idiots everywhere. Having said that, yes, U.S. education needs some help for sure.
This is top quality educational material. It should be studied and annotated. Jordan Peterson gives good comprehensible answers and provides a wide approach to one complex subject. The young individual is on the right track too. These subject demands an exhaustive discussion of this caliber. The level of complexity is moderate and very understandable too. The discussion doesn't go south with unintelligible terms or technical vocabulary, it is very important of course, but everybody deeply understands how things are developing in the discussion. Peterson brings in a clean focus on the subject with an easy to follow narrative based on COMMON SENSE.
Jordan Peterson is a gift to humanity and I am certain that he will go down in history as one of the greatest thinkers of all time. His ability to identify and clarify contentious subjects is like watching a master in any artistic endeavor create their masterpiece. I wish more people would shut their mouths, open their ears and quash their pride long enough to truly listen and digest his analysis on the controversial, difficult situations we face today. He is so wise; he has much to teach us if we are intelligent and humble enough to learn from him. God Bless You, Jordan Peterson!
@@mahamadoudiallo589 For someone who dismisses the opinions of others so flippantly and condescendingly, you certainly have plenty of your own and you seem overly confident in them.
Jordan Peterson is a moron who constantly contradicts himself, gaslights, uses word salad to navigate around answering questions in debates, shifts blame, and has troubling views towards anything non-white and heterosexual male. This guy is a grifter who’s trying to become some cult leader.
Like he said, we can all offend someone. Also he mentioned that you need to have free speech so we can discover how and what other people are thinking. This is how we discover who the real crazies of this world are, who to trust to run our countries and who we should have in our circle of friends.
People need to remember that BEING OFFENDED IS A CHOICE!!! And it's one you don't have to make! And if everyone would get a grasp on that, as well as treating others the way you want to be treated in return, we wouldn't even have to have these conversations!
And yet... Would we be reduced to inhumane and animalistic tendency if we don't actually feel offended when something is offensive? Is there not a time when something said or done is very offensive, maybe intended to be so? There is a choice on how to ACT after feeling and being offended.
@ Richell Mcknight How is it a choice? There are things people say that really annoy me. How do I choose to not let it bother me? For example one of my friends said she would sacrifice everyone except her parents and her husband to save an animal. And in her mind she meant it. She said she would sacrifice her friends baby for one of her cats if she had to. And she believes it. How do you not get offended by something like that? If someone has values that you consider messed up, how do you choose not to get offended?
@@timbradshaw5481 Being offended isn’t a choice, choosing how to act when offended is a choice. Some are able to look past the opinions of others that they deem ‘wrong’. Some would ultimately cut that person out of their lives. The reaction is what you can control.
When you mentioned that it was pleasant to see them actually having a civil discussion on a topic, I couldn't help but remember that the young man asking the question not only said "correct me if I'm wrong", but when he was challenged he didn't get upset and even adjusted his response to continue his question. The amount of restraint and respect from both parties was satisfying to watch. I echo your feelings regarding how it felt to see two people having a honest discussion without getting upset. The fact that it's abnormal in today's society speaks volumes.
@@uselessgarbagehandler You seem to think my information is solely based on my experience online (or that its where i reside mostly), that is incorrect. People tend to be on their phones more than actually communicating in person and when they do interact it's typically hostile. Are people I come across always like this, no, but it's far more often than even 5 years ago and I anticipate it will continue to get worse.
@@uselessgarbagehandler I disagree. Speaking with people on average has shown that THE majority of people do not UNDERSTAND or RESPECT another's opposing view and in stead of analyzing the discourse they interject feelings or emotion into a discussion raise thier voice and begin attacking the others person's take. Fact is that many times people retaliate against opposition in stead of actually listening to what is said. Hear what they want to hear and form a response or opinion.
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I like that you're one of the people using this social media and this technology craze people are in, to your advantage. Spread the word and reach masses. THIS is what this country needs. More "influencers" like yourself that can change this evil world. It makes me sick to see that a "celebrity" now-a-days is defined by how many likes you got on your newest CHEEKY post. That our youth are now normalized to things that were never shown on T.V before. People need to be woke. Woke for the word of God
Great video on the proper way to debate and discuss a topic!
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This kid's argument was essentially that free speech allows those in power to "harm" those who aren't in power. The problem with his argument is that anyone who has the power to then silence "hate speech" is themselves the one in the position of power, so the result isn't that the weak are protected from the powerful, but that the powerful get another weapon which they can use to silence the weak. You haven't reduced the power of the powerful, you've actually increased it.
Exactly, free speech is for the "powerless" or the person with less "power" still have a right to speak out/up. Many people look at free speech as a victim, rather than a warrior.
Nailed it. He argues we can wield the ring of power without being corrupted by it. This video is a wonderful example of intelligence vs wisdom.
EXACTLY. They tried to cancel an Ivy League professor (who was a POC himself) for being against censorship, but he replied that the same free speech allowed the Civil Rights movement to be possible, and had this censorship power been true and realized, the powers that be would’ve prevented it from ever happening.
Very well put, actually helped me better understand his argument.
Kind of like fighting discrimination with more discrimination
Jordan Peterson articulates what we sane people have in mind. He's like the voice of reason. That's why people love him.
the asian kid was insanely articulate and was well thought out
@@AC-mp7cx he accurately articulated the present state of things, and complained about it.
@@AC-mp7cx cut and paste.
Canadian Paul Harvey.
Exactly. Well said. Most common folk have common sense.
A very wise and intelligent man. People who understand what he says are smarter after listening to him. Knowledge is power.
using big words when smaller ones will do impresses nobody but the stupid .
Courage to speak is more liberating than giving dictatorial power to regulate other's speach.
You don't get to decide what is and isn't worth hearing for others. You can walk away or turn the channel or click another link for yourself. The freedom of speach protects everyone, even the dopes.
@@whycomes9562 who are you talking too ?
If knowledge is power, wisdom is the ability to properly weild that power.
This is a quintessential example of a genuine discourse and free speech. That's what the universities ought to be all about.
100% bro
"quintessential"
Sadly, they have evolved into an echo chamber where contrary thought is discouraged. Not all, but most.
Damn right
That's what society should be about.
No one can lay it out like JP, it’s mesmerizing how he can bring his complex thoughts across so clearly.
If someone can't explain something in plain and simple terms they don't understand what they are talking about.
@@SALTYCOMBATDIVER-ExInstructor which I guess goes to show that he understands
@@allureoflore5675 absolutely. But in contrast when someone can't explain it in simple terms then they don't understand.
I bet he loves 🇷🇺 ❤
@@SALTYCOMBATDIVER-ExInstructor in other words if you can't explain it to a child....you just don't know what you are talking about.
Jordan is always next level…one of the greatest minds of our time…take notes Jordan is what a real man looks and acts like! Educated, intelligent, well mannered, and well spoken…and yet there is a huge difference between educated and intelligent…rare to possess both!
Sorry to dissapoint you, but that is valid only in the West. I mean, in English langauge. There are much bigger and wiser minds then him, You just never heard about them, because they dont do it in English.
The things that Jordan Peterson explain are actually very normal and every teenager from Eastern Europe knows it. But since the West is mostly Infantile societies - adults in body, but babies in mind, this guy count as ,,Genious", Philosopher, next level, greatest mind and so on.
Dont understand me wrong, i follow jordan peterson before he become famous. I know how he was thinking 10 years ago and i know what he is thinking today. He is developing GREATLY.
The fact that he started to accept GOD makes him Wise, not his intelectual ,,powers".
More people need to realize that. "Education" is not enough to prove just how capable and intelligent someone is. So they got good grades, or did well in class, are you truly able to grasp things, and implement them.
@@goshu7009 - like who?
@@CerealDust-nStuff People on the streets?
@@goshu7009 - people on the streets are wiser than Jordan Peterson... is that what you're saying?
This was a very enjoyable exchange. The college student was quite articulate and communicated superbly. He is clearly working his thoughts through, brave enough to engage such an intimidating speaker, and clearly appreciative of Jordan's response (he seemed to be clapping more enthusiastically than anyone else). I am sure this student did not leave this event unaffected and this exemplifies what college should be about - the exchange of ideas.
The problem is that he is repeating ideology and not "his" ideas - you can easily trace back on his "ideas" because they are not ideas but planted thoughts, and its not hard to find out who planted the thoughts into his head.
Yes, this!
@@JonnyK595 yeah he got those ideas from yourmotherslover
@@JonnyK595 I don't see the repetition of the ideas of others as a problem, especially since every human does this. All ideas can be traced back. I am sure it would be easy to trace back who planted the ideas in your own head (or mine). Ideas aren't true because they don't originate with us (nobody has completely independent thoughts).
@@o.m.8936 yourmotherslover is your brother
Refreshing to see actual exchange of ideas without yelling, insults, interrupting or talking-over. 👏👏👏
JP has a way of explaining his arguments that have no holes in them and then hits you with his opinion and both seem to be understood by many people and so intelligently presented. He is certainly a great mind of our time 🙌
the asian kid was insanely articulate and was well thought out
@@AC-mp7cx far beyond my capabilities I agree 🙂
if you like JP, checkout Deepak Chopra (🥳🥳🥳)
He also articulates nonsensical notions incredibly well, and has helped me massively on my spiritual journey.
God Bless..
Of course, Jordan is right. Society can’t even wholly agree on something as basic as the definition of a woman as presented by Matt Walsh. How the hell are we supposed to define something as arbitrary and/or conditional as “hate”? To regulate hate speech would inevitably lead to the criminalization of opinion which we already see playing out in the court of public opinion.
I don't think it's "society" that wants to redefine "gender", it's an extreme but very vocal and, as they've proved, influential minority.
@@davidtuer5825
that minority is just a tool ppl in power use, to fck majoritys.
the millionares, billionares, trillionares behind those minoritys, are the real ones speaking louder.
if tomorrow they stop supporting any of them, you wouldn't hear a thing from them.
Yes--and those among us who are watching this charade and have intelligence know that the suppression of all dissenting speech is the actual endgame. "Stopping hate speech" as some gesture of compassion is a lie.
@@davidtuer5825 I believe they got lots of help from the masters masters. Same as BLM
That's the point. They want to use it as a guise to control people
I wouldn’t even call this a debate. It was elucidating for the student. He was willing to share what turned out to be ideas which needed to be developed (they were unrefined), and Peterson helped to refine them. Well done
Exactly. Its like a wise father talking to a son who came up with cool ideas that he think will work
Beautiful 🌻
🌻 @@scottiecurrie7927
Thanks for your incredibly elucidating comment (I was unrefined in my thought before reading it)
not just the student.. it clarified an entire sub-set of ethical standards for many who were listening..
just in its simplicity, shone its brilliance.
I swear the collective IQ goes up in a room, any room, in which peterson speaks..
It's better to let some speak and know their intentions or way of thinking than to silence them and be unprepared for their actions. What a beautiful conversation between 2 intelligent thinkers.
"It's better to let some speak and know their intentions or way of thinking than to silence them" does that apply to teachers/professors in K-12 and college campuses?
@@Wolfspyder5 I don't think teachers should be teaching their own personal opinions in the classroom, especially to children. Educators have a curriculum and should not be teaching anything outside of those qualifications.
I think it is funny how sometimes I think JP is not taking a strong enough stand, until I listen fully and realize he actually is doing so. You are correct, Devin. People can disagee without becoming dsagreeable. Good analysis. Now, let's go be a blessing.
You mean disagreeable as in... yelling into your microphone?
@@jan_phd YES, JUST LIKE JOE BIDEN DOES ALL THE TIME!
@@jan_phd Stop 'femsplaining'...
@@secondchance6603 Everyone thinks you're so clever now... no!
@@jan_phd If Jan says so then it must be true because Jan is never wrong and Jan is the worlds spokeswoman for everyone and Jan has a PhD. So stunning, so brave.
I just love these deep conversations. I was actually in a rehab facility for fentanyl and crack when JP went viral in the fall of 2016. They gave us our phones back for the weekend and I found him in my darkest hour. Now I’m clean for 6 years and his teachings helped me tremendously. I no longer watch him for personal development, it’s for these different social issues that he tackles and coincidentally they are now his most relevant. I’m totally a JP junkie.
Whoa… fent and crack?!?!? Dude…
Stay strong bro🙏🙏
@@dr.bright3081 it happens man.. More then you would expect..
@@squalman8567 I believe it. But wtf man. Both have the shortest freaking half life. Like wtf? Gotta stay dosing them every few minutes (or have a fent patch, etc) if you don’t want to come down.
That’s hell.
@@dr.bright3081 I had to google those😭
God bless Jordan Peterson. I pray for him often. It cannot be easy to keep your character and stay humble in his position. Many before him have fallen to corruption. Keep speaking the Truth Jordan! We love you!
Or maybe it can be easy. The power of possessing a rich language is a great stress reliever.
@@roundtabledetails3307 there is medication for that because thats not normal, God bless for you
Neither is homosexuality or people being transsexual, because its in minority. Do you have problems with that too? You seem unfit for a democratic society.
I like Jordan Peterson too, but you “pray for him often”? Either that’s a lie or you’re fanatical.
@@Simon1985_ its called expressing empathy. Normal people can pray for other's well being for for the sake of their well-being. Your response sounds like something a washed up leftie would say, only being to relate or care for someone due to their opinion rather than their intrinsic worth as a human being, you seem rather Stalinistic in that sense. I guess that makes you proud though 😂
I loved the way the student said thank you after asking his question and how jordan peterson smiled it made me smile. It was so wholesome and made me love both people even more.
This man is one of the few famous people I tell my kids is a real role model. He genuinely says what he really believes regardless of what others are saying.
Even if you don't agree with him you have to admire his firm beliefs, amazing knowledge and willingness to fight back.
the asian kid was insanely articulate and was well thought out
Have you read his book "12 Rules for Life"
Rule 8: Tell the truth. Or at least don’t lie (Summarised Introduction Below)
"Day to day, you may lie to the outside world to get what you want and to avoid pain. You tell lies to appear more competent, to gain status, to be well-liked, to prevent conflict. This is you manipulating the world."
"On a deeper level, you may lie to yourself about what you want. You might have a dream life envisioned by your younger self, without probing carefully into whether you really want it (career and retirement goals are common examples here). You may entertain ideas about what you really want, but deceive yourself into thinking they’re impossible to reach or undesirable after all. You then act in ways that you paper over with more lies, but deep down you know it’s inconsistent with your beliefs, and you feel unsettled."
"You may not be actively misleading other people, but merely lying by omission. This isn’t any better. If your boss does something you dislike, not confronting her about it is still lying - you’re acting inauthentically, not in accordance with your beliefs. If you habitually avoid conflict, don’t complain when mistreated, and suppress your own ideas, you’re still lying to yourself. This makes you feel weak, because your existence has little real meaning. You’ve become a tool to be used, obliterating your independence."
"Even worse, on a meta level, you may be in denial about lying to yourself. You may believe that your truth is the only truth, and that no amount of new knowledge can change what you believe. That all important facts have been discovered, and that everything will work out perfectly."
"Your lie may begin with protecting yourself from reality. You may believe reality is intolerable and must be distorted. You want to avoid that short-term pain. But after a certain point, the lies take on a life of their own."
First you start with a little lie, then support it with further little lies.
Then you distort your thinking to avoid shame of those lies.
Then those lies become necessary and become ritualized into unconscious action.
The longer you lie, the more you believe it, and the harder it is to undo.
@@AC-mp7cx He was a smart kid with a curious mind, as every student in college should be. He will go far in life however many of his peers will fall into the despair of the left indoctrination unfortunately.
Easily manipulated
“Who defines hate?” That is the absolute essence of the hate speech debate 👏
Richard Dawkins even said something similar.
If making laws, always consider yourself holding the short end of the stick.
Beautiful
Unfortunately political figures and media organizations and many other powerful business entities
True but I guess that general can define what are the key point to be considered as hate , which encourage to violate other rights and lives . I mean I’m sure that it could be agreed on basic to start with no?
@@Sam23606
Should we blame biden and censor him? After all a dem ran over an 18 year old because they believe they are extreme right.
JP is always on point.. The young man definitely as a future in public speaking as well. Hope he listens as good as he speaks because JP does.
well you can see him nodding and clapping as Jordan lays out his case so it seems he at least listens, as good as he speaks is a high task tho.
He is a perfect opposite of Cathy Newman!
He would be better to not JP since the message of JP is basically do nothing but of course be a hypocrite and shut off the left at any point so that only the right-wing opinion matter
Sure [the young man has a future in public speaking], if only he can do something about that atrocious accent of his.
I have to assume that his being bullied for the way he speaks was a big part of the motivation for his line of questioning. My advice to him would be to see a speech therapist and fix it. He's the one with the problem (he's really goddamn hard to listen to), not everyone else.
I went to the same school as the "Intelligent Asian Student" from elementary to high school, and he's about a year older than me and I’m 24. His name is Brian Wong, btw.
We weren’t close or anything but we used to live in the same neighborhood, so it's hard not to miss each other. Brian has always been very intelligent and bright, and I always felt he was on another intellectual level compared to everyone that I knew in my life. The funny thing is I still remember that one time when I was sitting on the same row just across from him on the school bus and thinking about whether I should start a conversation about Xbox and Playstation 😂(we were about 9-10 years old at the time), but ultimately decided against it because I thought he wasn't going to be interested in video games lol. We did have some good laughs and conversations on the school bus rides back home, good old days.
By the time we reached middle and high school, it was obvious to me that Brian was definitely getting into an "Oxbridge". He really set himself apart from the others. Our teachers even had an inside joke where the term "Brian" or "Brian-level" is the definition and golden standard for academic excellence and the highest achievers. Anyways, I haven't seen him since high school. We connected on LinkedIn tho it's always a great and interesting read whenever he posts. If I'm honest, I'm not surprised to see him have such a thoughtful exchange with Jordan Peterson. This is just some Brian-level stuff 💯(at least in my eyes).
Mason, you sound like a good skin, here’s a small suggestion. Never hesitate to reach out and make a friend, there is zero downside to it, absolutely none. Even if the person doesn’t want to be your mate, who cares! The biggest upside is they may become a lifetime friend.
I met Brian at Oxford and can confirm that he was always a wave-length above everyone else. Very lovable guy...!
Love hearing J.P. discuss issues. He is truly a gift for those willing to listen to him. He explains why risking offending is important without being offensive in his explanation. God bless.
I really like this kid. He is asking tough questions and yet still open to the answers. Kudos to whoever you are.
Where's the tough question?
Hate speech doesn't exist in a country with free speech isn't that difficult to understand
OMG, you really think that "kid" asked a "tough question"?
If you watch his body language during Dr. Peterson's rebuttal, you'll notice he's not holding back applause when his arguments are dismantled. I don't care if his thinking was flawed; he's young and willing to learn. That is how it should be. Mad respect to him.
What’s crazy is that half this country is so stupid they think THAT QUESTION was actually a tough question.
@@okaythankyoubyeee2501 No It doesn't work that way. I am PRO CHOICE... therefore.. I am NOT aloud to be in the Republican Party. If you think free speech means you can say anything without consenquences... Tell your boss you're arent coming in on Monday. See how far that gets you.
They both did outstanding. Now this was two people actually trying to see each other’s way and actually try and find a solution. Hats off to both men.
I go to Oxford University and have done for a while. From what I've seen, the student is a regular who tends to always be respectful, well-prepared and thought provoking. When I reflect on his talks, I feel encouraged and have a sense of appreciation. If he acts with integrity, I think he could help many people.
Mmmmm
But this Junior loves to scream
It's wonderful when JP is allowed to get his whole thought across. He starts off slow in showing that he understands the question completely. Then he systematically pulls it apart thread by thread.
Exactly. What I admire is his ability to phrase out a logic case in real time. I generally only understand these kind of topics by intuition and only could explain it to someone who doesnt have the intuition if you give me hours to write it out. But it's all a question of practice!
@@quinxx12 that part.
This is the epitome of the exchange of ideas and knowlege through positive discourse on a respectful and embracing level. My hat is off to both. In a world of jeering, shutting down or canceling opposing thought and tantrums from bullies that have mastered the victim stance, I'd love to go back to this.
Great video and commentary btw Devin, keep them coming brother.
The fact that it’s so rare to find two people having a debate without getting their emotions involved is insane
Yes we have lost the art of debate and made it a battle to win, very sad.
Find new friends, friend.
you've never watched destiny
@@Tmunchies mentioning one person doesn't stop something from being rare.
It's sad, that this is special and not the norm.
Yeah, this wasn't a debate. This was very impressive and impressionable teaching for a young man that was genuinely curious about something important... silencing our fellow men and women during ACTUAL debates and the fear that people will be ostracized to the fullest extent if they say something that's on their mind.
That's not what that kid said. He wants speech restrictions, and he stated that some of them (and I'm assuming that he is referring to his peers) are so immobilized by the words of another, that's why he wants restrictions.
The problem is WHO GETS TO DECIDE THE PARAMETERS ON PEOPLES SPEECH.
How he articulated that answer was perfect.
I love that MSM calls that man a "fascist" and "homophobe." Intellectual conversations like this need to be more common.
MSM is by and for the mindless masses. So conversations like this one will never be common since it requires actual brain power to comprehend 🫤
I don't love that MSM calls him those things! That's HATE SPEECH ISN'T IT?! Aren't we supposed to hate fasicm & homophobes? One thing I hate the most is DOUBLE STANDARDS & HYPOCRISY!! JP is a GOD SEND!
Its common sense, and he explains it so well. We can't overthink this one.
Devin, love your show and I went to see Mr Peterson in Dublin, Ireland. I was one of a few women among men. He is a great man and God bless all the good men in the world today. You are a great man!!🇮🇪❤️🇮🇪❤️🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
That’s so wonderful Catherine, we need more good women like you!
tá tú ar fheabhas! ✌️🇮🇪☘️🇺🇸
@@dublinoseven3279 go railhead maith agat
@@catherinesmyth883 tá fáilte romhat
If all debates were this way, in which expressed opinions didn't devolve into yelling and argument, we would be able to understand and move onto topics that need actual talking about and get them solved. This is the best example of a debate I have seen in a while, especially it being two well articulate people talking to each other. The structure of the points being presented was just amazing. here is a reference, this is my opinion, this is the question i'm proposing to you, give me you're take on what I have provided.... just fantastic stuff.
Being civil in discussion, even regarding topics you are quite sincere about, is required to reach nearly any consensus. On the contrary, being loud, rude and labeling others will appeal only to the extremes on either side...and seldom reach consensus.
The student did a good job of asking the question and JP obviously answers excellently.
You know when JP leans in to listen and then hits that fingertent, you're about to learn something. This man is a treasure and I'm happy to hear him discuss things with an intelligent young person who is approaching in good faith like this.
ABSOLUTELY . In _MY_ *never* to be considered "HUMBLE" opinion, THIS is the KEY to successful DISCOURSE and genuine PROGRESS in the human condition . I look back on what The Founders did on THIS VERY SUBJECT, and note with some gratitude that _they_ made THIS VERY TOPIC the heart of the very FIRST Amendment ,
and
to the VERY FIRST TIME in the HISTORY of _HUMANITY_ that these things -
these _truths_
- were codified into LAW !
lol sure, whatever you dorks say
Peterson is a conspiracy theorist that loves to suck in people like you.
I was perplexed seeing to see an Oriental speaking with any kind of British Isles accent. I have nothing against anyone, it's just out of the ordinary.
Yup. You're about to learn you asked a question to someone. Who has no intention with treating with you in good faith
A civil debate and sharing ideas from different perspectives is one of the most important things you’ll see in this day and age. This is a great example of that. Thanks for sharing and love it that you just let this one roll. You know what you’re doing bro.
"A civil debate...in this day and age." Are you serious? This discourse is an exception, not the rule on college campuses, Chicago streets, in school classrooms.
right on
@@pettytoni1955 I think that's what he meant... that this was the exception to the current rule
"The fact is that censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion. In the long run it will create a generation incapable of appreciating the difference between independence of thought and subservience." - Henry Steele Commager
the asian kid was insanely articulate and was well thought out
As someone who does not follow religion, due to the corrupt ideas of the church, I love hearing your input on these hot topics of our society. Keep up your great content, as I will keep viewing.
Jordan's rebuttal was incredible, despite the kid having great depth to his question, he's one lucky kid to have such an in depth answer from one of the greatest minds in modern history.
Lol
@@jamesbarlow6423 ...and then you get the kind of human brains that can merely utter "lol" as a rebuttal. Sigh
Gross -- you are gross -- Stop hero-worshipping. Jordan is very well aware of the words his says and the dogwhistling it is received as. Jordan has been broke down and rebuked -- you just have to be open to search-it-out. The media does not care whether a leftist-or-rightist character evolves as long as some of their views require big gov't protection schemas. All politicians compared to French Free-Market 17/18th century Left-Anarchists (free-market theory was born on the left - in fact Left-Progressive-Conservatism and Right-Progressive-Conservatism BOTH exist on the right. Ron Paul was a slightly right-of-center minarchist and EVERYONE ELSE is right-of-him -- meaning "the right" has leftists and far-right thinkers. Communism and Socialism (America is 50/50 Socialist / Capitalist -- according to Milton Friedman)......The ONLY Left-of-center thinkers exist as non-politicians, even Libertarian Party is right-of-center -- in the same way that Trump is the head of the Tea Party even though it was created for Ron Paul 2007 (which is a just right of center minarchist -- small gov't platform).
All that being said -- Jordan is a far-right "thinker" -- he said things that flamed the flame of Trump supporters and in every way possible "supported" Trump-think -- although, the fair-weathered-survivalist that he is, Jordan is now saying Republicans better wise up and put someone other than Trump in office -- calling Trump a bully and ineffectual to his original brand "I'm the winner".
@@OctoBox it appears you have absolutely no idea of what far right means, if you think Jordan is far right. He's mostly conservative for sure and for all the good reasons, traditional values, unless you think personal freedom and taking responsibility for oneself is a bad thing? He also is classic liberal in many ways too by respecting the individual instead of group think (far left and far right). Overall you're totally misrepresenting what he has said and a bit over dramatic by the fact you think my comment equates to hero-worship, like really, are you 8 years old? 😀, in fact he has criticised Trump plenty of times saying he's a very divisive figure mostly so you're already contradicting yourself, you just want to see him as your bogeyman despite the fact you already admit he's said good and bad about Trump. Maybe instead of using such terms as left or right you should focus on what specifically Jordan said that upset you, because so far it looks like you just jumped on some populist bandwagon for no reason. Your understanding of what's left and right is way off. Be more specific instead of tossing a vague word salad into the comments, and people might take you seriously.
Great depth to his question? He literally verbally vomited statement after statement after statement before asking his question. I actually got tired of waiting for him to get to the damn point.
This is one of the best examples of civil discourse I’ve seen in a long time. This is why I like listening to Jordan Peterson. His arguments are well thought out and they are backed up by experience and research. Hats off to this young man for posing a really important question but allowing Mr. Petersen to actually respond.
Young man was articulate and very intelligent. Well Done . More Please 🙏
While the young man's statements are well thought out, they are also neive possibly brought about by his youthfulness. While hate speach may be distasteful, it does serve a purpose. Being offended or offending someone and being forced to deal with the consequences increases a person's value to society. Personal growth comes only after paying the price of risking personal development. Sometimes people fail to grow and withdraw, but sometimes people grow and grow stronger. Better for the individual, and the better individual creates a stronger family and a stronger society. Give me a mature adult that can stand in the face of the insults.
Yes, yes!
@@toddgardner2826 It is indeed a naive prospect, but kudos to him for asking and seeming to listen to the answer as evidenced at 9:35 where I think you can see the questioner clapping in agreement regarding the Cathy Newman insanity. Naivety is not necessarily a problem, it is the inability to grow from it that is (alternatively, ignorance is cured by knowledge)
This is staged
I get emotional every time I listen to this man. Some people get emotional listening to classical music, reading a poem or maybe even eating. I get emotional listening to intelligent speech.
What intellegient speech? I don't see any intelligent speech coming from JP! JP is a huge hypocrite in regards to free speech since he will silence anything speech that is toward the left without a second taught. And of course, what he says about free speech is essentially do nothing. The reason that doing nothing is wrong is because of the paradox of tolerance which will result of the intolerant being the one in charge.
Try Daniel Schmachtenberger. His style/voice is somewhat flat but what he has to offer is truly next-level.
@@c3bhm I just checked him out! Thank you for your recommendation.
😩😩😭
Apologies but I find your comment quite bizarre.
By "emotional" you mean, you cry??
We are by default, emotional creatures. So I presume you feel some emotion at all times, like the rest of us.
So I interpreted "emotional" as overwhelmed.
If your answer is Yes, I would have follow up questions.
What a wonderful discourse. This is how college and higher education should be conducted. Respect still in tact with no hurt feelings. 💯
Y'all notice when he said "why should you have the right to say something offensive" and everyone started clapping that even the young man asking the questions was clapping as well? Much respect for both sides asking AND listening. People have different views on life and the only way we reach common ground is through open communication
I really would just point him to the "so what you're saying is" interview.
Personally I'd just tell him "because if I have that right EVERYONE has that right."
This kind of nature in discussing things through is being lost by the white noise of group thinks and movements.
But ultimately, people need to realize: offensivity does NOT = hatespeech. Hatespeech = offensivity on a whole different level...it's intending to diminish something as it is, and then some. Offensivity is completely subjective, and up to the individual's coherence and how they take in their information.
For me to say that I don't like Polar Bears, that's offensive to some.
For me to say I want to KILL them all, or see them wiped off the earth because I just DON'T like them at all, THAT is hateful, and can in turn be defined as Hatespeech.
People are mislabeling and heavily misconstruing the actual language of offensivity vs. the language of hatespeech. Ironically, it is those who are arguing against hatespeech that are in turn inciting hatespeech onto others.
That solves nothing.
"Hate cannot drive out Hate; Only love can do that."
~ Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
There is no common ground to be reached. Democracy is like all five passengers in your car trying to turn the steering wheel different ways
@@Peaceful_Gojira Yep. Hatespeech requires intent. Offending somebody does not. Hell.. I'm eastern european and I offend most of my fellow citizens just by taking the same bus in the morning...
Hate is also a form of aggression, while offending somebody is not necessarily a consequence of aggression. Point I'm trying to make is that you can accidentally offend someone, but you can't accidentally hate them or "hatespeech" them.
his nails are longer than his phallas
How a discourse is supposed to be. Respect to both of these guys... ❤🙏❤
Jordan is the one that filters out opposing comments on his video channel. If you read the comments on his video channel, you have to believe that there isn't a single Liberal on the face of the earth that want to watch and comment on his videos . He's all about free speech, as long as you agree with him. You can edit videos and you can filter out comments, all to control the narrative , and suckers fall for it. Don't be a sucker.
Sure, because neither are “persons of color” speaking about racism on a platform of disagreement
Good luck with that debate especially if the “N” word is introduced even in an academic context
This is an example of a free speech comment that could easily incite violence in certain arenas
but because someone acts violently should not render the example as a criminal offense,
The offense should lie with the perpetrator of the “from words to the physicality”
The one throwing punches would be allowing words, thoughts to move them to loss control through frustration
anger and the lack of self control, regardless of personal experience, regardless of history of unfair treatment
these physical acts of violence should never be without consequence
1 vote for Free Speech bar nothing
@@gitarman666 wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
@@gitarman666 the issue with your story, is that you’re basing that off of your own emotions. There’s plenty of people who don’t deal with being called the N word. Trying to decimate one obstacle only creates another. The point that I got from Jordan, was if it’s not broken don’t try to fix it, because if you try to fix it without knowing for certain you’ll succeed you can make it worse. Somethings are just best to leave alone.
@@gitarman666 Ma'am, you've submitted your dissertation in the wrong place. Lol. Look at you getting emotional...
I really like Jordan Peterson, he is very intelligent, he is so thorough in his answers and states nothing but facts, and he's always so calm . I enjoy listening to what he has to say.
I just got a community guidelines strike for “Hate Speech.” I tried to appeal it and they denied it in like 2 hours. I also sent a message in the appeal asking them to at least tell me what was said that was wrong and I never got a response. I streak with a lot of people and I am usually pretty careful about making sure they don’t say anything that would get me a strike. The problem is anything anyone says is hate speech because any option you share will offend someone on this world.
One of the most intelligent dialogues I've ever heard.. It would be nice if we had some people like him in politics making important decisions
WTF was so intelligent about this kids dialogue?
@@fish9905 I was referring to JP
@@lloydripani6157 you said dialogue, inferring the conversation between both
@@fish9905 Touche, or should I start that word with the letter D?
People "like him" are too busy in university, or medical school, or researching etc to become this way, to go into politics sadly. the people who go into politics can spend all day shaking hands and kissing babies because they don't feel a pressing need to learn, or understand, or develop the critical and clinical thinking skills to actually have any of these debates - the days of the serious thinkers going into politics evaporated a long time ago sadly.
Agree or not with this kid...my goodness is it nice to see a kid who know what they believe, can articulate it, and obviously adequately defend it if he is asked to. I can appreciate that. Nothing worse than some college kid hammering you for what they believe about you or the world with no way to substantiate it.
Nobody here has commented on the questioner applauding JP as he was answering the question. That young fellow has a free mind, I'd love to know where he is now (this was JP in 2018, 4 years ago).
I also want to point out that the questioner was receptive to JP's response and didn't interrupt him and instead listened. Take for example where he said "tell me if I'm wrong", then JP interjected with his response to that, and instead of shouting over JP he stopped his question, listened and then proceed to finish his query. The questioner also clapped with the rest of the crowd when JP made a solid argument and did not attempt to convert that of which JP had said into flagrant denial like most popular interviewers do to him.
Oxford grad
@@fxbeliever123 what an intriguing and validating response
Yea kid actually seems like he wants to learn
Love watching people try to debate jp, truly an intelligent man of our time. I'm glad those young students got to listen to someone that isn't filled with rhetoric.
Amazing to see 2 brilliant men conversing with each other in a civil and intelligent way. Great stuff!
You mean, a child and a man.
@@InDisskyS131 NO, I MEAN a young man and an older man. SMH
@@InDisskyS131 well, that young man has risen to a level of a man. How many grown men do you know can hold an intelligent debate like he has done here with a power house that Peterson is? Few, i assure you. This young man may be a child, but he has the mind of a grown man.
@@InDisskyS131 That 'child' did a damn good job going toe-to-toe with Peterson. Respect to him.
@@sundayaito4366 UH, yeah, that's what I said. SMH
This was a really good discussion. Both the college student and JP engaged in good faith and focused on fleshing out the issue at hand and not simply about being right or wrong. This student got a golden opportunity to match wits with one of the top intellectuals around and he held his own. This is how every college classroom should look like.
@Wings over the World Because having a good thorough conversation is extremely refreshing and because we are all that student at one point in our lives.
@Wings over the World good for you. You're welcome.
You never ever had unrefined developing thoughts that are not completely aligned with reality? Like you were born with perfect knowledge or perfectly self-aware from birth?
Peterson has opened my eyes regarding human nature. I’m 74 years old and I find myself still learning. I am grateful of his knowledge and admire his character and hope to guide what’s left of my life in becoming adept in his teachings. God bless the man for what I consider, wisdom.
I’m envious of you, that you likely grew up in a time where he wasn’t an anomaly. I’m sure you had your struggles as well, but nowadays someone speaking sense is a rarity
Jordan Peterson makes me long for the days when I was young. There are too many people nowadays who think they're brilliant but just show their ignorance and bias every time they open their mouths. This is a great video! Both are brilliant in their comments.
I loved JBP's line about the worst person to define hate will eventually rise to the position of defining it. This is a simple concept, but something people who live sheltered lives in countries with strong, time-tested institutions often completely ignore. The reality is that bullies and sociopaths thrive in environments that have severe punishments for the breaking of fluctuating and ill-defined rules. That is their bread and butter. You create a system where these types of people can not only doll out severe, socially accepted punishments, but do so anonymously, and make up all of the rules as they go along? That institution will be filled with sociopaths in less than a generation - I don't care how "noble" the goals were at the start.
Uno momento, we are already there Mori 😞
“There’s a difference between hate speech and speech that you hate.” Tom MacDonald
Not really, as the same speech can be defined as hate speech by some, fine by some others and by others again something they don’t agree on but not defined as a result of hate. Same speech, no different words.
That's hate speech.
@@ns88ster I try to answer but my comment is removed, not sure why as I do not write anything offensive to anyone???? The only thing I can think of is that I used the words (C) ensored and (c) rime, not accepted here....
@@ns88ster I cannot answer you as UA-cam will not allow it, sorry.
@@ns88ster no it’s not
Kudos to this kid asking the question. He thought about it deeply, asked it relatively succinctly, and didn't rely on personal attacks.
the asian kid was insanely articulate and was well thought out
He also sounded very arrogant and borderline effeminate
@@a-aron6724 You're confusing confidence with arrogance. It's a live crowd and he posed his question well and in turn, got a well-articulated answer. So what if it was effeminate?
@@a-aron6724 This is the very thing Jordan was alluding to.. majority of those listing to him would have found him confident and articulate... However, some outliers such as yourself do exist, unfortunately.
the smart asian stereotype is slowly being destroyed by 2nd and 3rd generation asians weened on liberalism
It truly saddens me that we have come to this point where no one wants to be offended by anything, to the point that they feel that they can bully someone if they don't share your views on anything. We can't agree to disagree anymore. As for free speech, just because you can say something doesn't mean you should, not because it offends, maybe because it is just plain dumb.
Absolutely agree
If someone is offended by my speech I say "Be offended". If someone doesn't like my free speech I say "Don't worry it's free so there's plenty more where that came from".
I prefer to hear the bad ideas so I know who the dumb people are.
@@csabo1725 - _AND_ -
they are CERTAINLY _FREE to *BE OFFENDED* .
In fact _I_ ENCOURAGE_ it !
*BE* OFFENDED ! - in fact I'm here to HELP offend "YOU" (the perpetually _offended_ ) in your quest to BE _OFFENDED_ as much as is
*_HUMANLY POSSIBLE_** !!*
@@csabo1725 I'll just tell people it's ok, you don't have to like it, everything is gonna be alright.
The reason that q n a worked was because the young man truly wanted an answer rather than an argument
he asked very aggressively and applauded with all of his heart , very respectable young man.
Is that how you convince people ? with arguments and civil discourse. I've seem it working with my own eyes, I can't believe it works, but it does when both parts are good civil humans.
Yep. I think he partially was anxious as well and was likely needing to hype himself up to be speaking to JP articulately in front of a crowd.
I think I would change that word, "aggressively", to assertively. It did not feel aggressive to me at all. It was a passioned query, which is far different than aggressive.
JP is one of the clearest , logical thinkers I have ever come across.
Thank you posting, awesome debate!
Kudos to that kid. Proper super smart kid challenging his ideas by playing devils advocate.
What I enjoyed about the debate was that "EVERYONE LISTENED"
With" no one interpreting " That is what you call a civilised debate. Every one prepeard to listen to the views of others ! Fantastic
That was a beautiful debate by both. It's rare. Usually someone has to start throwing insults when the other disagrees with them.
One of the best short videos of Jordan Peterson that I've seen. Fantastic.
Subscribed.
i am always star-struck by the way he is uses words in sentences that are not filler and serves strong purpose for the whole sentence and thought. He is a a mastermind
It is the reason one should endeavor to master the english language. The greater you vocabulary, the greater the complexity of your thoughts and therefore the way you speak to others about them. That is true of whatever language you know.
Yes, unlike the kid and most people that debate him.
This was an ideal example of what university discussion should be. If you don't understand things then you ask questions to better understand something. There are times when you don't have to agree but that is how opinion is formed. I have learnt so much by listening to people I don't agree with but I have to go into the discussion with an open mind. I am not lecturing but rather sharing opinions and ideas.
This success is because Jordan possess an uncommon amount of common sense, and has the intellect and experience to deliver the thoughts commonly. When I first listened to his university lectures they were beyond the 'not psycology student'. His form has changed so that all levels of learning and intellect can understand clearly.
Listening to JP has helped me to be more effective in dealing with disagreements. A great teacher.
True. I think he's trying to get to the heart of the matter, maybe argue that certain assumptions are wrong
Oh my this was so good. Thank you for posting this !
Absolutely brilliant! Great conversation and points between the two. Loved the cool-headed discussion. The kid has a great head on his shoulders and JP only strengthened that.
I actually really appreciate that you did not interrupt but let the clip play, then gave your thoughts after. Most reaction videos don’t do that so this was different, but I think I prefer this style.
Thanks
Another problem with banning hate speech is we know eventually the definition of "hate speech" will be changed
That was an excellent example of how free speech should work - a civil intellectual discussion exchanging ideas without resorting to name calling and anger!
Freedom of speech comes with great responsibility and power. Use it wisely. Shame on the individual who uses it for hate.
Freedom of Speech is given by GOD. Also, your mind, emotions and will.
Use them with great responsibility. And dont ask someone who dont feel any shame, to ,,shame". People who have no moral, no dignity, no trust in GOD in general, also have no shame. Leave them alone, somebody else will deal with them.
Get your head clean and proper - this is the ulimate freedom.
The freedom is from GOD and comes from inside of human beings. You are free inside, not outside.
Ahh, there’s the rub. It’s the “or else” that’s detrimental, the idea that this responsibility should be enforced.
It is always healthy to hear hate. Coz it helps you grow a thicker skin. Hate, love exist to balance life
Freedom of speech should be a right that everybody have in a non fascist world...
but, that's not today.
ppl who hate you, will find the way to hate you in the most polite way.
words are just tools.
the word 'dog' doesn't bites.
isolated words, or words without context are bullets without guns.
the intention behind words is what matters. and it's Not always understood by others.
Tha's why you need an open debate.
Law should only apply when things get physical
I'm not saying they should censor guns or not, but to censor speech and not guns, it's a huge contradiction.
words doesn't kill anyone.
What this kid is saying, happens everywhere with everyone in all contexts all of the time. In the work place you can't speak up against management without fear of retaliation, in a group of friends you can't speak out against them without fear of retaliation, etc. etc. It is a never-ending loop of situations where it's hard to speak up in fear of a larger group retaliating against you.
Student: "blablabla, logos, blablabla, individualistic expression, blablabla hate speech..."
JP: "You mean someone may think your ideas are stupid and you want a thought police to stop them? Well, let me tell you why that's a bad idea in words that don't make your idea sound stupid..."
Ironically, hate speech regulations and laws only end up giving the very people we are afraid of speaking up to or against , extra power and control over our speech .
Which is precisely why group thinking should be discouraged and individual thinking admired. Those who argue for freedom of speech do so, because they don’t wish for their less popular opinions to be clamped down on, and shouted down by those with following.
There's an old saying, the wise listen, the smart speak.
Meaning those who lack impulse to think through their arguments often are the ones who recieve stern rebuttals.
If you can’t speak freely with your friends then rethink who you associate with.
And the same goes for the right to bear arms...."leave it alone, because anything you do is going to make it worse...not better." Also, throughout history; the ones who want to infringe upon your right to bear arms...are the worst who should be doing so. They are those who plan to do something to you which would have you use those firearms against them.
The 2nd Amendment is a pretty easy argument. Anyone who attempts to take away firearms from law abiding citizens is planning something that they know they would get shot for doing!
@@scottbenton5880 Well put.
The irony is they censor speech, but they don't censor arms...
speech doesn't kill.
Thias is a point that needs to be shared with the rest of the United States. Too many people try to regulate our speech today, thinking they are improving society. Instead of regulations, we need more open discussion.
This man need to be protected at all cost
Saw him live last night in London, the guy is on a different level, the audience was simply entranced when he spoke, his logic is undeniable.
This is what effective Q&A looks like. Intelligent exchange with active listening skills demonstrated with respectful attitudes.
True. Many people don't "discuss", they react.
This is a wise man that history will appreciate in the next century if it does at all... The man who was born too soon. But I am glad to be in his time and have the privilege of listening to him.
Modern philosopher .
“There are no solutions, there are only trade-offs; and you try to get the best trade-off you can get, that's all you can hope for.” - Thomas Sowell
Now that seems truth
First, much respect to the young man asking the question on many levels. He obviously is genuine to arrive at a truth, AND, unlike me, is very articulate and successful at presenting his thoughts in an understandable way! He has my respect for that.
But the flip side is this young man, who may be enrolled in this University, did not realize that whatever rules you make can be used against you. Has he never played a game?
This man makes me feel Soo stupid!! I truly admire him! The greatest intellectual of our time!
Imagine asking this question, a well thought out question and having this man provide a response like this. He will remember this for the rest of his life and I hope he gets the chance to speak with Jordan again.
Jordan is an idiot though. He's a professor of psychology but what makes him an expert in a sociology question? He isn't but he apparently believes so. He opines in many other fields he is clueless in, sowing hate and division.
@@morninglift1253 Psychology can segue into sociology. You're biased which is fine. But to say he isn't qualified to speak on such a question is another tactic commonly used for suppressing a person's speech. "You're not an expert so you can't speak on such." Pretty good way to silence up to 90% of a room at any given moment. Not good at all.
@@morninglift1253 😂😂😂😂
@@morninglift1253this is not true. he has more than enough knowledge in sociology to be considered an expert in that field. I dont get it why people think that you have to be a professor in a certain subject to be competent enough to speak about it. This guy is 60 years old and has an intellect which is incomparable. Additionally, he dealt with sociological question basicially his whole live. To call him clueless in sociology just shows how much you know this man.
@@morninglift1253 Jordan Peterson believes he is an expert in everything apparently. He basically believes he is the second coming of christ or something the way he talks, and sadly, his fans seem to believe the same thing
Can you imagine getting in trouble in school for stating your opinion and disrupting class. Then the teacher calls your parent in for a conference and its Jordan Peterson lol.
I dont know if mikaela was home schooled or not but if she went to state or private school, im sure some teachers had some very uncomfortable meetings with him and his wife.
Yes I can.
Yeah. Loved to be a fly on the wall in one of those meetings.
You mean imagine Jordon is my dad?
@@metamorphicorder She doesn't seem like someone who's ever attended an educational institution.
Jordan is a total genius. He’s so brilliant at breaking down and explaining complex issues in the most simplistic ways.
They left free hate speech alone in Nazi Germany
JP is an idiot. They let Hitler say what he wanted
When emotion is under control some progress is advanced. Listen much and give a clear concise answer.
thats exactly how you know someone knows what they are talking about. A proffesor of mine used to say, "if you can't explain a concept in a simple way so that everyone can understand it, then you don't even understand it very well yourself"
@@tony0584 That's the beauty of truth, that it can be explained so simply even a child can understand.
Even if you have laws on hate speech it will make the powerful even more powerful!
JP is definitely correct but I have to give the kid asking questions huge props for a very well thought out inquiry. He was respectful and you. Pull even see him nodding along with JP's answers. It's nice to see an exchange of ideas that goes well.
It's really really sad that this is probably the smartest person I've ever seen have debate with Mr. Peterson. That guy is a student and he clearly thought out thoroughly his question and was prepared for follow up dialogue. I think this is the first time I've ever seen Dr. Peterson interact with someone who was actually on a similar plane. This kid is going places. Hopefully he uses his powers for good and not evil. Lol. But seriously...
Define evil?
@@stephenmason5682 causing harm to any other living creature, absent legitimate reason and lacking in remorse?
The next question obviously becoming, "What is to be considered legitimate?"
It really wasnt that deep. The followup and response to the followup were the same as the initial dialogue
Strawman dialogue isn't intelligence, it's BS
This kid will identify as non binary, yes he's going places
The way that kid speaks gives me hope for my generation
I felt the same exact thing. He will write books one day :)
Unfortunately gen Z ruined it, he’s one of a kind
Now watch the video with those kids from USA that cannot name the continent they're on...
@Shipdacheese I bet it looks just like when you make a compilation of kids in Australia that can't point to where they are on a globe. It's easy to find idiots everywhere. Having said that, yes, U.S. education needs some help for sure.
Everything you can do, there's always an asian that can do it better 😂
This is top quality educational material. It should be studied and annotated. Jordan Peterson gives good comprehensible answers and provides a wide approach to one complex subject.
The young individual is on the right track too. These subject demands an exhaustive discussion of this caliber. The level of complexity is moderate and very understandable too. The discussion doesn't go south with unintelligible terms or technical vocabulary, it is very important of course, but everybody deeply understands how things are developing in the discussion.
Peterson brings in a clean focus on the subject with an easy to follow narrative based on COMMON SENSE.
Jordan Peterson is a gift to humanity and I am certain that he will go down in history as one of the greatest thinkers of all time. His ability to identify and clarify contentious subjects is like watching a master in any artistic endeavor create their masterpiece. I wish more people would shut their mouths, open their ears and quash their pride long enough to truly listen and digest his analysis on the controversial, difficult situations we face today. He is so wise; he has much to teach us if we are intelligent and humble enough to learn from him. God Bless You, Jordan Peterson!
@@mahamadoudiallo589 For someone who dismisses the opinions of others so flippantly and condescendingly, you certainly have plenty of your own and you seem overly confident in them.
the fact you think that is truly terrifying
@@chrisharvey7461 still butt hurt because Sam Harris got exposed as a fraud?
Does his metaphysical inclination deter or attract you?
Jordan Peterson is a moron who constantly contradicts himself, gaslights, uses word salad to navigate around answering questions in debates, shifts blame, and has troubling views towards anything non-white and heterosexual male. This guy is a grifter who’s trying to become some cult leader.
Man, I dunno WTF he just said, but he reached out and touched a brother heart.
Like he said, we can all offend someone. Also he mentioned that you need to have free speech so we can discover how and what other people are thinking. This is how we discover who the real crazies of this world are, who to trust to run our countries and who we should have in our circle of friends.
The worst things to regulate absolutely is speech, freedom to assemble, and abillity to discuss ideas and debate!
First time I’ve heard him get through a whole thought without being screamed at
People need to remember that BEING OFFENDED IS A CHOICE!!! And it's one you don't have to make! And if everyone would get a grasp on that, as well as treating others the way you want to be treated in return, we wouldn't even have to have these conversations!
And yet... Would we be reduced to inhumane and animalistic tendency if we don't actually feel offended when something is offensive? Is there not a time when something said or done is very offensive, maybe intended to be so? There is a choice on how to ACT after feeling and being offended.
@ Richell Mcknight How is it a choice? There are things people say that really annoy me. How do I choose to not let it bother me? For example one of my friends said she would sacrifice everyone except her parents and her husband to save an animal. And in her mind she meant it. She said she would sacrifice her friends baby for one of her cats if she had to. And she believes it.
How do you not get offended by something like that? If someone has values that you consider messed up, how do you choose not to get offended?
There's consequences for causing harm, all crimes must be paid.
@@timbradshaw5481 you chalk it up to them being mentally I’ll and move on.
@@timbradshaw5481 Being offended isn’t a choice, choosing how to act when offended is a choice. Some are able to look past the opinions of others that they deem ‘wrong’. Some would ultimately cut that person out of their lives. The reaction is what you can control.
You can tell that kid has been given a word count for all his life.
Ma dude can’t stop spittin
When you mentioned that it was pleasant to see them actually having a civil discussion on a topic, I couldn't help but remember that the young man asking the question not only said "correct me if I'm wrong", but when he was challenged he didn't get upset and even adjusted his response to continue his question. The amount of restraint and respect from both parties was satisfying to watch. I echo your feelings regarding how it felt to see two people having a honest discussion without getting upset. The fact that it's abnormal in today's society speaks volumes.
It isn't abnormal. Get off UA-cam and talk to some actual people, then you'll see this is the standard.
@@uselessgarbagehandler You seem to think my information is solely based on my experience online (or that its where i reside mostly), that is incorrect. People tend to be on their phones more than actually communicating in person and when they do interact it's typically hostile. Are people I come across always like this, no, but it's far more often than even 5 years ago and I anticipate it will continue to get worse.
@@uselessgarbagehandler I disagree. Speaking with people on average has shown that THE majority of people do not UNDERSTAND or RESPECT another's opposing view and in stead of analyzing the discourse they interject feelings or emotion into a discussion raise thier voice and begin attacking the others person's take. Fact is that many times people retaliate against opposition in stead of actually listening to what is said. Hear what they want to hear and form a response or opinion.
@@dragonryderslair
Yes, like the sub faction group off of the trans folks.
It is impossible to have any opinion or view on anything without offending someone.