Killed By A Sasquatch? The Disappearance & Death Of Jordan Grider
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- This video covers the disappearance and death of Jordan Grider in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness.
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He might have been "an experienced outdoorsman” but just taking off into an area you aren’t familiar with in Minnesota in October with a plan to spend the winter off grid is ridiculously foolhardy.
Agreed
Sadly true. I've lived in Michigan most of my life, and people who are familiar with New York or Pennsylvania are shocked when they decide to try more westward camping - Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, or the Dakotas.
Beautiful land in the winter, but it's a lot to deal with, and I've spent my fair share of time camping in it.
@@inwyrdn3691 I used to do the same thing he did when I lived up in Alaska. You gotta have a plan.. gotta think it through a bit. Dude thought he was gonna spend the winter in a tarp and didn’t even get any firewood put up for the winter? 🤦♂️ Absolutely ridiculous
💯 agree
There's more to this guy than we heard. 29 and apparently no job?? Takes off and wanders for weeks & months at a time? Who would do THIS for the winter? And in MN?
And yes I saw that vodka bottle laying in his camp several times.
This guy had problems.
@crassgop 9 times out of ten a dude who has a plan will fare better than a dude who takes off with a tarp , a M92 and a bottle of vodka.
I'm his grandmother. At first I didn't think this was a correct account but after hearing the whole thing I realize it was more accurate than I first thought. The "big fot" theory is not likely but the rest of the facts are accurate. Thanks for reporting this.
So sorry for your loss! 🩷
I hate this.
Were yall close or in contact when this happened..
So sorry for your families loss. I hope you have peace. God bless you andcomfort you. Hugs,prayers and heartfelt love and sadness for you all.
I'm sorry for your loss ... May he RIP . ❤
I think a Mtn Lion got him while sleeping. RIP.
Sorry for your loss. R.I.P 😢
Trying to weather a minnesota winter with a tarp, sleeping bag, and hammock is suicidal.
That’s why I do believe that he wasn’t at that campsite very long. He probably would’ve built a real shelter and everything else I’m assuming.
Agreed. And suicide needn't be an explicitly, intentionally carried out act; it can be just looking for trouble while pretending you're not. Unfortunately, rough wilderness can be counted on for lending a hand in such murky cases.
I live in Minnesota, it's hard enough surviving a winter in a house, let alone a tarp and hammock
Yeah the was attacked. A bear
He probably planned to dig into the hill for the winter, but in the meanwhile, slept inside his sleeping bag, within the hammock. And Ol' Smokey was in hyperphagia, and thought he'd take a nibble in his head.
Sleeping out like he did in the Fall within Bear Country was dumb, but he wanted to live dangerously like that.
dude falls, smacks his head, sort of autopilots back to the hammock, maybe sleeps for a few, realizes he's bleeding bad and not getting better, tries to make for the car, collapses, dies, gets scavenged.
it's fairly common for people with a head injury to try to get to somewhere they can sleep, a bad concussion can kill you that way.
That explanation fits the facts better than any other hypothesis.
@@PavlovsBob i've got a half-assed theory that a whole lot of these disappearances are caused by either 1) a head injury causing people to do completely unexpected things, or B) obscured holes in the ground.
i think you’re a genius, this is spot on! i’ve seen what falling and hitting your head so bad you’re concussed/get a TBI does to a person immediately after. they’re absolutely not rational and need someone else to intervene immediately. it’s completely possible he got up in the middle of the night to drink, pee, etc, then hit his head and went back to his hammock. i imagine it’s a lot easier to get disoriented in the dark
The one issue with this theory is the blood spatter in the tent. Head injuries bleed pools but they don't spurt out blood like arterial spray. If it weren't for that one piece of evidence I'd agree with your theory.
@@coltonmason8290 a seizure in a pool of blood could account for splatter. also this splatter isn't really shown, so are we talking spray type stuff or just drops and smears from moving around in the tent? tough to say..
A few years ago in Saskatchewan, Canada....a man was drug out of his tent at night by a wolf. A neighboring camper heard the struggle and ran over to help. He ran at the wolf and full-force kicked it in the head and it ran off. You can't assume a wolf, cat, bear... isn't going to attack a sleeping person.
Whereabouts?
@ChesterNutteri thought the same but dismissed humans killing him. Why wouldnt they take anything, money knives other possessions?
Thanks for sharing this account..I own a few pet wolves and know and respect their abilities....They are very much a Jekyl / Hyde type of animal
Seem very shy and cautious at times (and actually I believe this is a well thought out deception of their own to get you to underestimate them and drop your guard)
And other times can be so bold you actually have to be prepared to defend your life to the point of death for them to respect you and back off.
Now imagine a Wild one not socialized with humans.
So many people think Wolves do not hunt attack or eat humans
WRONG!
@@gregbellisle9128 tbf some disturbed people kill for the sole purpose of killing. Why would a psycho like that take anything if the only thing he/she is craving is the murder itself?
Or just stumbled/fell, hit the head, got back into the hammok to recover some then bleeding out in the hammok. Sometimes the most mundane, ordinary, 'silly' explanation is the true explanation. Stupid things happens and sometimes the result is fatal. We tend to create myseries out of nothing simply because we don't know things for sure, that said, the most likely explanation tends to be the correct one.
It is inheritedly dangerous to be out alone in adverse conditions. A gun does not help on freak accidents. Exposure kills and if bleeding out in the hammok effects of exposure accelerate. A freak accidentent may not involve any knifes... a sharp stick or stone in the ground can do the trick fine when putting your body weight on it, and this does not tore up your hammok or clothing. Leaving the hammok to pee, you may not care to put on your boots.
Minnesota is not the place I would choose to “live off the grid” during the friggin winter man.
Blood all over everything doesn't equate to freezing to death. Apparently he was an experienced outdoorsman.
@@nelliesfarm8473 Not MN experienced or he would’ve gone back to balmy upstate NY haha
My sister lives there and moved there from the Catskill Mountains. We love the cold and snow. The winters I was there are different here, NYS. It's a dry cold which makes -25 warmer. At any rate, it's worth going up there in the summer to buy the winter outerwear onsale!
-in minn here ... !-
@@Cycology_Major balmy my arse, I've been in the north woods of NY my whole life and I think this last winter is the first I've witnessed when we didn't colder than 20 below zero.
As a guy who shaves with a straight razor I would say killing himself shaving with a knife is a ridiculous theory. To shave you only touch lightly and smooth it across, the worse you would get is a very bad nick on your skin. No way could you rip your jugular without cranking the knife really hard. Straight razors and knives were used for centuries and I have never in history heard of a person kill themselves shaving.
On a side note, when whittling wood with a knife, only ever a super sharp knife and use light pressure and push away treating it cautiously as if you EXPECT it to slip. I've seen near misses with people pushing hard on blunt knives trying to get it to cut and thats what causes a catastrophic slip.
You're not wrong, but if something were to surprise them, let's say a bird flies into the side of their head, while they're shaving their neck I could very easily see them jerking the razor and opening an artery. The problem with the shaving theory to my mind is that cutting an artery is a hell of a bloody mess and the jugular vein in particular has a tendency to literally spray a massive volume of blood for several feet. If this is what happened they wouldn't be finding a little blood here and a little blood there. It would be everywhere and if it happened away from his campsite he'd have never made it back to leave traces of blood there unless it was just a few steps away, which it wouldn't have been because he'd have still been hemorrhaging all over the place and been in no condition to crawl back into his hammock. Plus, his boots were still there.
Well. You would actually be shocked to know more than a few people have died from shaving. However, it wasn't from cutting their jugular. Also, it was in the times before antibiotics. People have cut themselves and died from infections, and things like tetanus used to be a serious risk. Just an interesting tidbit. It doesn't refute or go against anything you said. I just thought I would insert some things from the strange collection of trivia facts stored in my head. lol
@@nerdjournal I could definitely believe that. I've been told by several people as well, that a huge number of accidents outdoors involve hatchets being swung too hard. With a two handed axe you have your hands placed well apart on the haft and can control it well if it deflects. However, with hatchets (and machetes) since you only have one hand on the grip a deflection off a tough knot in the wood can fly dangerously astray -for example towards your lower leg
Yeah and anyway: the knifes were untouched...
I was harassed by a pack of 6-8 wolves for about an hour in August of 2017 on the hustler river about 1 mile south of finger lake. That's roughly 8.5 miles north of where Jordan was. They were spread out in a semi circle around us, 100-200 yards away inside the tree line. It seemed like they were sizing us up. They left us alone once we had a fire going.
Where we were is an area seldom traveled due to the difficulty level.
Don't believe what people say about wolves, if they feel they have an advantage and they're hungry you have a problem on your hands.
During WW1 there was a truce called and the combatants joined forces to eliminate a huge pack of wolves. They were preying on wounded. German & maybe Russian troops before the Lennin coup.
I feel your beliefs of wolves is the answer,
I’m Assuming as he was sleeping.
I love wolves but yeah, predator instinct. I see it in my cats and my husky. Food reigns supreme.
This seems like a real possibility in this case. I don't even trust coyotes in a group of three or more. In 1998, a group of 4-5 coyotes shadowed my group of four deer hunters hiking into our starting position at 4:30 am in southeast Riverside County, CA for over a mile, barking snarling and keeping parallel to us, staying just out of sight. One on four seems like bad odds.
Why would there be blood splatter in his tent/tarp? Would they gingerly remove his wounded body from his tent while he was going for his gun?
"I'm not homeless... I have a home. I just choose to have it outside."
RIP Legend
Nah that’s homeless.
Thats denial. He was homeless and died from shaving
I do the same, I sleep outdoors when the weather makes it possible.
I live on a small island in Denmark, cold as f_ck...me and my dog sleep outside on the beach every summer.
Outdoor life is great!!!
@@TheOttomann64 beautiful summer coming, soon i will be homeless too.. can't stand living with anyone.
Well, he had a truck. If he wanted a shelter, he could have stayed there. So, it looks more like he just preferred camping. Even so, a nylon tent in MN doesn't seem like such a good idea.
Theory !
He slipped-Fell down-cracked his head hard-got severely concussed-bled while he tried to rest/recover.
Very plausible. I wonder why they didn't bring in the cadaver dogs at the very beginning? Could have provided a lot of answers....
definitely plausible
the bob saget theory
Head wounds do bleed a lot so that would make sense
I agree, when I saw the Vodka bottle I knew for sure, been there done that. That stuff can take your life even in your sleep, even without a hit to the head.
Something else that stands out to me is that an experienced hiker would park his vehicle in front of a private gate when a parking lot for the trail he is camped near is only a little ways away
My guess is that was not where he intended to leave it for the whole winter, but he knew he'd need to make multiple trips to carry all his stuff to the campsite, so he left it as close as he could possibly drive, with the intention of getting those garbage bags of stuff, then moving the truck to the parking lot, but he figured he could leave it at the gate for one night, but that was the night he ended up dying.
What I find REALLY strange is that nobody opened up his truck to see what was in there all those months that he was missing before his bloody campsite was finally found.
Exactly. Did this guy really want to get out of that wilderness ever again? Not so sure.
But if there were human involvement, his belongings would have been taken. He sent his family a pic of the Beaver dam, so why didn't he call 911? And a predator would have torn the camp up a bit at least. Plus no blood on his knives. Weird!
@@josephvanwie6706his phone could have been out of his reach or maybe he had no cell service because of how remote his campsite was.
For anyone who has lived or spent any time in country/rural areas, bocking a gate/access area is either a dick move.
or something was happening - no idea what
If you set out to survive a Minnesota winter in the woods all alone, you go in knowing there's a 50% chance you won't be coming back out.
The saddest thing is that Jordan who already experienced challenges in his own life will never go back to his family .
Hope there is safe wilderness in Heaven for you Jordan 🤗✨
Totally agreed...he was obviously loved by his family and I am sure he is sorely missed.
the cryptid theory is the one I believe.the cut shaveing idea,and wolf death is rediculous.if he died soon after makeing camp,wolves just don't appear.it would have been more likely that a cryptid,yes cryptid took Jordan out.they are real,they are territorial,and yes they would be able to end a man sleeping in a few seconds.the logical and simple reason for his death is sasquatch.that is my belief.terrifying as it might seem to be.no animal could kill a man sleeping,and be able to take him out while sleeping so easily.grizzlies are not in minnesota.a black bear would not do it.plus they're not sizeable enough to take Jordan out while sleeping.to me the truth is easily seen.the sooner man excepts that cryptids are a big factor in suspicious deaths in the wild,the safer man can be when in the wild.a theory that would be excepted if the powers to be would tell us cryptids are real.haveing seen a sasquatch,I know what does go bump in the night.REST IN PIECE JORDAN.
I live within 80 miles of where Jordan went missing and the downplay of this case is extensive in the news. I learned more in the first 5 mins than in the past few years.
My Condolences to his family from the West of Ireland ❤
☘
Exactly !! Thank you,across the pond, possible relative:-) Agreed. Condolences!!
@@keithmccaslyn2527 We Irishman are all around the world. Éire go Brách ☘
How kind of you.
God bless you and yours too, from iowa, i used to live in northern minnesota, in iowa for now.
I don't think it was a robbery. Rob him, then leave behind a gun, cash, a cellphone and those knives? More likely a animal attack.
Yea definitely was not a robbery . Berreta 92FS just left there ? That’s a valuable and decent gun . 178$ ? Phone? . Probably animal or a unknown hominid is roaming the forest of America .
I live in Minnesota. Family has a cabin in the boundary waters and I tell you if you don’t know what you’re doing you can get in trouble. So many bears, Moose, wolves and cats. Never go up there without a gun. At night you can’t see your hand in front of your face. You sure the hell don’t sleep in the winter out there with animals that are very hungry. Beautiful place!
hey man i feel you but the gun not always help you dont put you extings hand on gun there many many things live there gun is not hope help you why people think the only way stop anyone is gun so please dont be ignorance live only way gun home there live creatures entity what is gun help you there many story of witches or creature of dark forest many dont know the earth no need play or write you all know is not what you think earth is mysterious live many things around us just be open eyes mind and prepare with many things not only gun if you go step do on woods forest remember if is something faster of you the gun you cant do nothing is very slow some things attack behind or any other dark force gun is not hope my point is for all people before you do or go forest be rdy and use all what you can most is high flashlight sec spray pepper and many others taser and traps signals sound if someone walk around your area or spot.
maybe it was a bear attack? but a bear would have made an even bigger mess then wolves wold...
Okay man, I’m a MN guy myself. Been to the BWCA countless times. And I do carry up there fyi. But your description focuses on the animals which in my opinion is a bit over exaggerated.
Hungry animals in the winter. Cmon man, you make it sound like these animals are ravenous. Many go up there including families with small children and have zero issues with what you described. The elements are more to be taken seriously, but that’s anywhere remote.
@@crazysilly2914
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I grew up in northern Minnesota and have gone winter camping many times, I can’t imagine doing it for more than a couple nights. The weather can be brutal, sub zero temperatures and lots of snow and wind.
How cold is it usually on October 9th?
-minn here ... !-
@@scottlanghorst1483
It is wet and windy in October here. It can get to below freezing in rare cases. But the wetness is what can do you in, regardless of the temperature. Most common is about 40° (Fahrenheit) to 55°. Sometimes much warmer or colder.
Especially in a tarp you cud do it but wud need a good shelter to survive winter
"Hot Tent", camp sheltered from prevailing wind.
As a Wisconsin resident, a guy from New Mexico decides he's gonna live in the boonies basically on the the Canadian border is ill advised. Literally middle of nowhere
Yepper!
Yeah just totally different climates
@thetruthful9480 Minnesota (my home state) ranks 3rd for coldest states (three Minnesota cities rankin the top 10 for coldest cities), NY ranks 13th. It can edge us out in terms of total snow fall, but our overall winters are much worse. If your point was he probably thought since he's faced "similar" weather, he'd be fine, and I'd agree with that line of thinking.
Exactly what I thought. MN resident here. . . Coming from NM would be like transporting to a different world
For real, the BWCA is so desolate, you're on your own if anything happens.
Experienced in camping in New Mexico and in winter camping are two entirely different things.
Coming from the Appalachian Mtns and now living out west the past 4 years. I can't agree more
Mountains in New Mexico get every bit as cold as those he was camping in. New Mexico has blizzards and people get snowed in every year! Smh…
@@_DB.COOPER I lived in Las Cruces the Organs had snow caps but that's it that far south, but I could see Santa Fe and such getting good snowfall for sure
@@XxFusionsk8rxX Sierra Blanca, over 12,000 feet? Ski Resort? Alamogordo on occasion gets enough snow, cold and ice to close HWY 54 south all the way to El Paso! The Sacramentos where Cloudcroft is located has a ski resort also and gets feet of snow!
@_DB.COOPER occasionally but I've been in El paso for the past 2 years and Las Cruces 2 years before that, last I saw snow was that snow/ice storm that hit here. Deming got like 2-3inchs and Amarillo was frozen over which was pretty wild to see.
That campsite doesn’t correlate with a history of ‘10 years living in the wilderness.’
Yeah.... looks more like a homeless camp of a junkie in my experience unfortunately.
It looked to me to be something you'd setup initially while the permeant camp was going to be built. I think his mom is right. Whatever went bad happened very soon after him getting out there.
Mayb he was killed the first nite or so
it kinda does correlate with "10 years wilderness experience", as a back country bowhunter, I saw a ton of expensive gear there. And with correct, deep cold weather gear, he could have been fine. Maybe not for an entire winter with just those supplies, but like he said, it was october and he probably would have made weekly trips to a store.
U know nothing rome wasn’t built in a day
Ive come across a moose that was brought down by wolves in winter. It was incredibly messy and obviously a brutal struggle because the evidence was fresh all over the snow. You could practically depict the event. I can’t imagine the tarp even surviving a wolf pack attack.
Not to mention the fact that there has never been a verified attack on a human by wolf's in the United States or Canada. If a animal got him it was probably a black bear and it was probably a scavenging not a predation.
@@RussellBond-dy5dl there is one death I know about personally. Over 20 years ago there was a pack of wolves in a, I think 15 hectare, fenced enclosure in the Haliburton forest here in Ontario. A new worker there entered the enclosure and was attacked and killed by the pack. This was an unnatural situation for the wolves and the actions taken by the worker probably accounts for the event.
@@charlesblithfield6182 Those were not wild wolf's they were in a (sanctuary) and had been around humans so much that they lost their natural fear of humans. I've lived in Alaska for 52 years and we have the largest population of wolf's outside of Siberia and no , that's not one death has been attributed to a wolf attack. I have a homestead on the Yukon river and see packs of 20 to 50 running the river ice during the winter.
@@RussellBond-dy5dl that’s what I was trying to say. This unfortunate event happened because the wolves were in an unnatural situation. I hope someone doesn’t try to repeat the idea.
Wow im so jealous, would love to live there and see all that beauty out my front door. Living the dream. Well my dream anyway lol
There's 2 critters people are forgetting that run around them woods. Bobcats and bears. Potentially cougars too. I'd lean more towards a cat. It's getting to be winter, they get hungry and smell food. They see him sleeping in the hammock, go into the lean to, bite him on the neck and drag him away. Happens in Africa with lions. Explains the blood, neck was pierced and he sprayed blood from an artietal bleed.
I was thinking bear or lion(puma/cougar/mt lion) bit his face or head while he was sleeping and ended him quick.
Bobcats r like 30 pounds. 😂 what you smoking?
@mikehunt4797 So you're going to give bobcat a hug because it's only 30lbs? Granted bobcat is a little improbable, why I lean more towards cougar, but not impossible. The details with his attack are more constant with a Cat attack
@buckberthod5007 wouldn't have to worry it would run as soon as it saw a human. I live in the bushes of Canada seen many bear,bobcat,coyote,moose,cougar,lynx. They all literally want nothing to do with humans especially tiny bobcats. You must live in the city. Did a cougar get him? Very possible but if he had a handgun he could of easily killed it even a knife would do the job. If it got him in his sleep then so be it. I would never camp in thr woods in his shltty set up. He had zero protection from predators while he slept. He should of set up tripwire s around his camp for night security.
@mikehunt4797 Ever hear the term assumptions make an a$$ out of you and me? I've spent near 30 years living in the Ozark Mts in Arkansas, I've been camping in the Rockys for weeks on end, the Smokeys, Appalachia etc. I've seen starving bobcats go after 300lbs hogs and take them down. I've had bobcats tail me through the woods. It ain't common, but it does happen. Just because they're small statute don't mean they ain't deadly. Also you must not have watched the video because he had a 9mm Berreta in the hammock next to him, with spare mags, and had 7 knives in the truck plus a couple on him. He was a knife aficionado. Which hence why again leads me to believe a cat might have been involved. They're sneaky animals. I've been stalked by a cougar once in my life (the 4legged kind) and I didn't even know she was behind till she jumped onto the trail from 15 yards away. I sent 2 .357s over its head and it took off. The 3rd would have been between its eyes. Cats ain't nothing to screw with. Out in nature we ain't shit to em but food
Rough camping through winter in the North Carolina Mountains is absolutely brutal…so I can only imagine how hard it would be in northern Minnesota.
My guess is that he injured himself somehow and was bleeding on the hammock, clothes, etc. He died from blood loss. Various animals scavenged the remains, scattering the bones. It's a mysterious case, but that's because the wild animals destroyed the evidence. All that's left is some bones and bone fragments.
The most possible conclusion
I am so glad you're not a detective. Case close.😂
@@jorgefloyd6989 huh?
The idea that injured himself outside of his hammock, took off his boots and climbed back into the hammock, then died of blood loss and was pulled out of the hammock and eaten by scavengers makes no sense for the same reason the idea that he was attacked by wolves in his sleep doesn't make any sense- they would have torn the hammock down trying to get at the body.
The only plausible sequence of events is that something happened to him while he was sleeping that caused him to bleed inside the hammock, then he voluntarily got out of the hammock, left his boots behind (either in a panic or because he was compelled to leave them) and walked away from the tent before dying.
@@TheDoctorofOdoIsland I disagree. Bleeding to death could have been a lengthy process- Hours or even days. He could have thought that he had stopped the bleeding, didn't feel well, and laid in the hammock for a while. Then he could have noticed that he was bleeding again, and got out of the hammock in order to cut more bandage strips, etc.
It was a pleasure to hear how balanced and careful you presented this case. Thoughtfully done, and credible.
Well said.
Your delivery is like a young Rod Serling. Well done and Bravo! May this young man RIP
It's amazing that bears weren't mentioned once. We've spent a lot of time in the Boundary Waters and Quetico on the Canadian side and we ran into bears very often. Many times they would come into our camps at night. Also, any experienced outdoorsman knows that you don't keep food near your tent. You hang it to a tree branch. Everyone does that in bear country but this guy apparently kept food in his tent which is incredibly dumb. The first and most obvious thing that came to my mind was a bear but bears weren't mentioned once. The Boundary Waters is bear country! And, most ridiculous of all was the mention of bigfoot. That's insane.
I'm glad you brought that up. I'm from UK but my first thought was, 'are there bears out there?' I wonder if he accidentally cut himself, not necessarily enough to bleed to death, but, enough to alert wild animals on a scent, then, being injured he was at a disadvantage.
lol... You're insane for not keeping an open mind to it being an actual possibility...
Nailed it. Based on the information here, I'm of the opinion a bear got him by the head while he was sleeping and dragged him out of the tent, then mauled him. It happens damned quick. After extensive search of area with cadaver dogs, no skull is found. Wolf won't carry off a skull far, but a bear will.
Bears are hibernating in the winter. Duh.
@@philweed1603 good point!
I once held my machete between my arm and side and when i bent down it slid and cut my arm open in a 3 inch gash which exposed tissue and a vein , if that had been an artery and i sliced it open that would have been very bad .
@crassgop lol same here ..I'm gonna get hurt regardless so I take steps to minimize it
My uncle was gutting an elk and slipped the knife between the bones in his forearm. Thank goodness all my uncles hunted together.
I honestly dislike machetes because they are very easy to injure yourself with. Very few things you couldn't do with a mora and a saw. I do love Kukris. But even those take a ton of practice.
@@Shastavalleyoutdoorsman they are wicked dangerous but work so well to clear brush while bushwacking
@@highdesertsun3154 😬yikes
RIP Jordan Grider. You died living, instead of living, dying.
Where did he get the money for his truck and provisioning himself if he wasn't working? I'm all for people living off the grid, but not when they're mooching off others.
@@benjalucian1515 Some people have generous and caring families who understand when one of their kids doesn't fit the mold and can't do the expected grind. It seems like his family understood him and his needs.
@@thing_under_the_stairs Well said
@@benjalucian1515 I agree with you, but we don't know that, do we? Awfully quick to judge someone, imo. Maybe it was an old truck, he inherited money, who knows?
@@annmcclure8378 Be interested to find out. Even inheriting a truck still means you need income to maintain it and keep it street legal.
Those Jack Links commercials were a warning. Don't mess with Sasquatch.
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Is it your poem?
@patrickwatrin5093 yeah, do you like it. I don't know why I just got inspired and this was the closest place to type while watching the video. Lol
Seriously. Don't mess with any large wild animal.
Touque covered in blood, tarp (A frame of "house) has blood spatter, (from a velocity blow) pillow has blood on it , sleeping bag has blood on / it it = head injury incurred while sleeping. Boots off = bedtime.
Pants not covered in blood means no femoral artery was cut, plus the femoral artery is DEEP in the leg. A little whittling knife (found in the truck, not in the tent) would not cut the femoral artery unless driven in, but again, it was in the truck! No signs of blood. Facial arteries would not cause a person to bleed out if any pressure was put on them after being cut, but again, knives were in the truck, not the tent, so no shaving took place.
Wolves do not cause blood SPATTER. Wolves cause blood streaks, drops, or small pools as the person lays bleeding out, yes, but SPATTER means velocity like a bat, gun, or other forceful strike.
No time for Jordan to use the gun he had means someone/ something was able to get close, end him quickly, without a struggle and with a lot of force, due to blood spatter. This is MURDER, whether by sasquatch or human. (Although the human did not take a phone, gopro, or money, perhaps they just felt territorially threatened by having another male in the area).
Cops need to re-open this case and actually investigate it. Get a forensic anthropologist in there to look at markings on bones (teeth marks vs knife marks, for example) and get a blood spatter analyst to look at the A framed tarp.
And test for touch dna on his bedding and clothing, particularly his watch cap.
Where is the hair, teeth, scull and finger/toe nails. They only found bones. If I was family Id be up there collecting any evidence I could. Forensics has failed on this investigation.
You wasted a lot of time for such drivel.
I agree with you
@@pirrracyI don’t see a waste of time with this information that this intelligent individual has offered. “Drivel”? A human being showing concern for another is what I sense. If this was an attack by another human being the authorities would have likely been able to locate prints of either animal or bi pedal. I agree there was blunt force trauma to the head. His body was then predated on by the animals that live in the area. Attacked by a human? I don’t imagine another human would be in the area, although possible. Sasquatch are extremely territorial. They remain elusive for good reason. Encroaching into their territory has screamed danger in many cases of encounters through time. A rock or a large blunt piece of wood could have been used by the Forest people in this case.
Could he not have perhaps got a head injury, a fall or a branch collapse. That caused him to bleed and gave him concussion and lie down and somehow expire from it.
I was thinking this too
@@highdesertsun3154 As was I. It seems a reasonable event.
The bottle of booze that appears in the pics--not sure if empty or full--could have definitely helped with that.
You would think that a branch heavy enough to hit his head and cause bleeding and concussion would show evidence in his cap. Plus, he wasn't wearing his boots so he wouldn't be walking around to get hit.
@@josephvanwie6706 Maybe he put the cap on after suffering a head injury to help staunch the bleeding; he later went to bed, but the smell of blood attracted predators. He may have heard the animal(s) approaching and got up to get his gun when he was attacked.
Suppose he gets up to take a piss. He trips, hitting his head very hard on a tree or rock. This can be very devastating...as a trauma nurse I've seen the results of this many times. He could easily have had both external and internal bleeding, against his brain (called a subdural hematoma, or SDH). He might have got back in his hammock, but he would then becoming increasingly confused and uncomfortable. And at that point, he could have done anything. But most likely, got up, staggered around, and then died either from the SDH itself or exposure.
Either that, or Bigfoot heard that ukelele and said OH HELL NO
Somewhere in northern Minnesota there’s a bigfoot who can’t get Camptown Races out of his simian head. 🤣
It's really not funny at all to joke about this kinda thing, think if it was your loved one who this happened too, like grow tf up 😡🤬🤔🙄😕
This comment is SO heartless and tacky. YOU’RE a nurse? WOW. I guess compassion wasn’t a prerequisite huh?
"Took a ukulele with him..." oh yeah...Bigfoot got 'im. Bigfoot: Throws his newspaper across his living room- "What the h is that NOISE !"
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Yeah... there's a reason Bigfoot doesn't live in Hawaii!!!
@@Master...deBaterthy do now! Reports are there also!
@@whitedevil1349 Bigfoot said than grab your 🎸 guitar and starta travelin........
@@jacs196405I live on Maui.. wth?.
Another viewer pointed out something I think is the best postulation on his death. He most likely slipped or tripped on something and busted his head open while also giving himself a concussion. He then decided to lay down in his hammock for a while and rest, waking up in a pool of his own blood. He decided he must try to get to his truck but was so out of sorts that he forgot his boots. He either slipped near the site or became severly light headed and passed out in the cold weather, dying of exposure or hypothermia. His life remains are found later and scavenged by wolves, which is indicated by the scat and paw prints. This explains why no knives were bloodied and his pistol unfired as he was not attacked so didn't mount any sort of defense. This also explains why his hammock and his shelter were still in good condition instead of ripped apart by animals.
There is no way a pack of wolves gets a grown man out of a hammock without destroying it. No animal can. It would require three or four adult men to move a dead body out of a hammock and all of them, cougar, wolf, bear and human would require the tarp be torn or cut in order to lift him out of that hammock as it of the make with the formed sides and back rest so it doesn't flip or roll over.
What about the blood spatter, though? Blood only spatters when it's fresh and is hit with a high velocity impact.
Y que tal si le dieron un impacto con un objeto desde afuera de la tienda? El confundido se paro salio hacia afuera quizás cayó y perdió el conocimiento y luego pudo morir por hipotermia.. ahora no sé quien podría haberle dado un golpe desde afuera, total las tiendas son flexibles, no necesariamente tienen que romperse si golpeas desde afuera. Pero quien o que podría haberlo golpeado, no lo sé.
Racoon attack and it went for the throat. He backed up panicking and tripped over his boots and gun. Mr Racoon then clawed his eyeballs leaving him being.. Seriously this was a predator male bear attack that while he was sleeping. Unfortunately they will eat you alive then drag the main torso to feed in peace or cover up for later
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Knives are used for 1000s of things other than whittling and shaving. He could have been cutting a rope to hang the hammock or tarp, for example.
Oh that,s true.Cut myself at girl scout camp once.I was sawing some wood, forgot why think we were making something.Oh it bled, but I have all fingers.Could have been attacked by a bear or other animal.
A photo from the scene had shown a huge jug of vodka that was nearly empty, so possibly he'd drank too much while using a razor-sharp hunting knife. Booze & knife use wouldn't be the safest combo.
@@Laura-Kitty Yes. Very good point. A half gallon of vodka doesn't mix will with sharp tools and a gun. I tell people not to bring alcohol into the woods (hiking, remote camping etc) and especially if you are alone.
@@Laura-Kitty That was rotgut vodka, so we know Bigfoot didn't drink it.
@@tillitsdoneLOL! With no disrespect meant to the seriousness of the case - that was the first thought I had too when I saw the vodka. I thought, ugh that is awful Vodka! LOL
There are bears (black bears) in BWCA. Rather than wolves I'd think it could have been a bear. A bear could have grabbed him while he was sleeping, leaving the blood in the hammock, and simply pulled him out and finished him off outside the tent. That wouldn't necessarily have torn up the hammock. Black bear attacks are also rare, but not unknown.
Can't rule out multiple predators over time, either. Maybe bear caused a fatal wound, then wolves moved in. The fact that there was wolf tracks and scat strongly supports the wolf hypothesis.
IMO, the fella injured himself, tried to stop whatever bleeding he could, went to lay down, fell asleep. From there, he could have had a seizure, or sufferred from severe blood loss. A bear, or even a wolf, could have started to scavenge the remains from there.
Yeap and if your asleep a black bear would take a shot at you I live around them most of the time they won't bother you hardly ever actually but there are certain times they will and there stupid black bears are not like brown bears a grizzley is smart where a black bear is well special needs 😂
Scavengers and predators will stay around carcasses if they are big enough it is likely that whatever scavenged his remains stay around leaving the scar and causing the mess could have been multiple from wolves to bears maybe even a wolverine or the like as well when bigger predators weren’t around
Given that it was October it could have been a bear trying to bulk up for hibernation if it was a bear which would explain the death.
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Something with intelligence waited and snuck into that tent. Caught him completely unaware, attacked him while he slept and dragged him out.
Very tragic. Thoughts and prayers for him and his family.
Sounds like a cat
What a. Long video. 😮
14:46 in the middle of the picture is a razor/barber knife. If you are used to work with such knife you won't cut your throat.
I noticed that too, and I agree, the video also speculates that perhaps he was out of practice after visiting family for a couple of months, but I believe that is unlikely, maybe if it'd been a couple of decades. Additionally his beard doesn't appear to grow far enough down his neck to where such an accidental cut would need to happen, judging by the picture shown, which is admittedly of poor quality but still.
Plus no blood on any blades and who lays in a hammock and shaves?
@@groglas I shave with a knife. Even as a newbie I wouldn't cut my throat, it's ridiculous to even suggest such a thing.
It’s astonishing what law enforcement and investigators leave up to the public to figure out.
DIY investigations.
I live near the BWCA. It’s a national treasure imo. It’s very remote and dark as dark at night and can be extremely inhospitable in the winter, even for animals who are accustomed to the terrain. I would not go inside the BWCA without a guide or someone who is very experienced in navigating the area. I think he was attacked by a group of animals.
Agreed.
Exactly. I’m still an amateur woodsmen and my fourth ever trip was there. I was with my friend but it was nothing I was prepared for. It was also in October and it got very cold and dark. Everything has a super familiar look so very easy to get lost.
Unless he was attacked by a wolf fought it off went back to his tent took off his boots and laid in the hammock to die. I don't think that's very likely and other than wolves what group of animals would kill a grown man who was armed? I think the accidental injury makes fad more sense knowing he was to remote to get help he went to die in his tent then scavenged by animals.
@@bruderschweigen6889 I mean if he was attacked under that tarp and in the hammock it would be destroyed and there’s not a mark on it.
@@bruderschweigen6889 sorry I just re read what you said lol. I agree with you.
Just because the chances of a wolf attack are low is no reason to dismiss the possibility.
There are many comments on him trekking into Minnesota unprepared… But, he didn’t freeze to death. His campsite was inadequate but we don’t know what his plans were since he died before anything more could be done.
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the last time I was this early, I was headless in the nahani valley 💀
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R.M.Patterson wrote a good story. [The Dangerous River] The book "Paradise Below Zero" is another good read. As is "The Beast In The Garden," a study of the interaction of people and Mt Lions in Boulder Colorado. "The Lions of Tsavo" is a no holds barred, clear eyed view from Africa.
Any gold like the Watson Brothers found?
In winter, out camping, Men tend not to shave for obvious reasons. Beards keep your face very very warm in comparison to a shaved face. I would never shave and I doubt he would in those conditions.
(This is kind of long) I was a Forestry and Wildlife Conservation major in College, and we took a month long trip to the BWCA in N. Minnesota. We were from out of State. We camped at an old logging camp with cabins, way out in the middle of nowhere. The first night, myself and a couple of others decided for only GOD knows why. To go walking in the woods, at night with no flashlights. No one knew where we went, as we weren't supposed to leave camp. You know unruly college kids. We didn't have cell phones in the early 90s. It was early fall, I want to say also in October, and bitter cold that night. The moon was bright.
We got no more than, if even 1/4 mile from the cabins when we all heard what sounded like something really big pacing us to our right. It sounded extremely big and on two feet. But no way. SO..We stopped. It stopped. No one dared to say Sasquatch. I'm sure most of us didn't believe in them anyway. We decided it was a moose or elk or some big game animal like that. We didn't have a clue what animals lived in that region. Given the logging camp was only opened once a yr. for Forestry majors to stay at. (day trips for hands on learning) we figured it was just some big animal that noticed something new in the area. We quickly turned around and made our way back to the cabin. It was such a non incident, we didn't even talk about it amongst ourselves. That was the first night.
A few days on, we visited an outriggers, and they distinctly warned us of bear and I want to say mt. lion or lynx I believe. That might have been when we went to Northern New Mexico and camped in the Rockies. IDK..was awhile back. I remember the bear warning most of all. That kind of shook those of us who took off walking in the forest alone that first night. We DID talk about it that night after visiting an outriggers. It was a single animal, and big. NONE of us were from an area that had large predators. We were highly stupid to take off wandering and so we remained good Forestry students after that and remained in our cabins at night.
So after all that good for nothing story. Anyone remember the lady in Germany was camping, with a bunch of others, and she kept dreaming something was messing with her head. She didn't wake up, nor the others, but just kept dreaming something was messing with her head. Apparently, if I recall the story right. She finally DID wake and it was a damn fox chewing on her head. It snuck into camp and grabbed her by her head and I guess it tried to drag her away but obviously it couldn't, so it just chewed on her head. Why couldn't something like that have happened to this man? Something, I'm going with a bear, just sneak in while he's sleeping and bite down and drag him out. No time to do much, and wouldn't tear anything up, other than what he was wearing? I can't stress how often diff. people and places warned us of bears. We were warned of bear so much, it has to be a bear bulking up for winter that initially got him. Others scattered his remains after the bear had it's share?
Not to often you will hear a Bear walking heavy. It is rather stealthy. Only if twigs or brush are snapped under it's weight.
This is called living, the young people now literally don't even drink or go to parties or socialize, hell they don't even have malls, and God forbid they go outside
Not being the old grumpy guy like they used to say at us, I'm just saying I feel bad for them
Some of that could be done on their own, some of it is just the way everything is now
We are from nature, we are one with it, it's truly peaceful.
YES, I remember this! Crazy
@@thebeastersI don't think I could find a comment so ridiculously unaligned with the original message if I tried. This guy relayed a whole ass story to you and you just made a bot response about kids these days and we're one with nature. LMFAO tell that to the headless valley, the cannibal Oregon trail, and plenty of other horrible deadly ways nature fucks you over. I love nature, but I also know I love modern tech and meds and heating and food. Next time read the damn comment your replying to instead of jabbering on like some old fart in a retiring home.
To camp in winter in Minnesota is really almost impossible to imagine he’d think he’d make it ok.
Camping in Minnesota?!--I can't think of a worse way to spend the winter.
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I live in Minnesota and have winter camped in a tent multiple times. I would never attempt that with the gear he had. RIP
I've been to bwca in October, 13 years ago, not a place to go unprepared. I was fortunate to be there with an experienced woodsman, a good friend. It was an awesome experience, but only because of my friends expertise. I would not want to do it alone like my friend has done many times. Vast, stunningly beautiful area, we covered 25 miles of canoeing and 5 miles of portaging. Took 4 days. I thought we did something rather significant. When we got back to the outfitters i once again surveyed our map, then looked up to compare it to a wall mural map which showed our little map, and 30+ other maps just like ours that were adjoining and all part of the larger bwca area. We had barely scratched the surface. It is a true wilderness, to be respected,and treasured. So glad to have done it. Not sure i could do it again.
Definitely agree that post mortem consumption by animals is likely, and that he died from some sort of injury. I don't really subscribe to the notion of sharp knives being inherently more dangerous. In fact they are less dangerous. They take less effort and force to use. So I think the "death by shaving" angle is a bit of a red herring presented by the family. There are, however, many ways you can severely injure yourself with a knife. Or he could have sustained some other injury. Slipped and smashed his head on a rock and took a while to bleed out. We may never know.
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I was in college in Minneapolis the spring semester of 2019. Out of the 5 years I lived on and off in MN, those were probably the coldest and most treacherous winter months I experienced. I remember that February getting minor frostbite in my fingers just by going out to start my car without gloves and not being able to. My fingers turned blue and the outer layer of skin peeled off by the next morning. It was probably -40 with the windchill. Nature is rough up there, especially in the wintertime.
The “wintertime” is like 8 months long 🥶
Im convinced that he succumbed to blood loss or infection on the ground near the tent. He wouldn’t have his bones scattered and clothes shredded if otherwise. Coyotes and then buzzards. The giveaway for me was the half used aid kit and the half bottle of cheap vodka in the tent. He may have found a dryer half dead tree far from camp he may have mis-swing while holding logs to spilt into firewood it happens all the time and not uncommon for someone to lose a finger doing that. With temperatures dropping so quickly he may have been unable to start that truck if the battery was old. We have no evidence to say that the truck was recently serviced or had a new battery put in. He may have returned to camp and dressed the wound but his tent and clothes would have been covered in bacteria from working so much prior and eating in the hammock. These type of infections usually lead to swelling and an intense burning sensation. Its possible that blood infections killed him. I know the amount of blood may not seem like a lot but from the pools they photographed it seemed he was bleeding alot. When we shoot a deer with a gun or bow sometimes there will be a small red pool of blood right where the projectile impacted the animal. It will look like a water balloon filled with blood was dropped on the ground. Then there will be drops of blood falling along where the animal traveled. Finally when you find the body it will have a larger puddle of blood under it. They show 3 separate locations where large pools of blood. The police work was not really thorough. They only dna tested the bones not the blood stains. Jordans blood? Animal blood? The blood of an attacker? Who fucking knows because the cops decided it wasn’t worth testing. They also never listed so many items in the report but i guess the guy who said blood didnt need to be tested for dna also probably said that knives are not a relevant piece of evidence in a scene with large amounts of blood and no obvious other weapons. Also its easier for cadaver dogs to smell through snow than it is through wet ground, water traps scent particles that the dog would need to smell in order to find him. Snow on the ground is made from lots of tiny ice crystals with air between them. The smells will stick to the outside of the ice crystal they dont become lost until you guessed it THE SNOW MELTS. I hate hearing about these lackadaisical police investigators who’s work ethic more closely resembles your average minimum wage fast food teenage employee and not a public servant earning an average salary of $90,000 usd.
I’m from Minnesota and grew up with an outdoor survivalist for a dad. He spent over 50 years camping year round at the BWCA and winter camping in the Siberian Tundra. This guy was in no way ready to live with the supplies he had in the summer, let alone the winter. It’s basically Canada. It’s huge, wild, no motorized vehicles allowed of any kind. We have weeks of -30 degree weather starting in January. A tarp is a sorry excuse for suitable winter living in Minnesota. He should’ve done research first and talked with MN winter survival professionals. I do know most people are more afraid of moose than bears and wolves. My guess is a moose attack. It really doesn’t take much to die via moose.
At least figure out how to make a snow shelter and bring a stove
I completely agree with you, a moose is by far the most dangerous animal in Minnesota, the cows are as likely to charge as bulls. Even a cougar (fewer reported sightings in this part of the state than sasquatch) would be more likely than a black bear or a wolf attack.This dude could have died from the slightest mishap combined with the cold and remote location.
To me this guy was on a one-way trip, regardless of what actually took him out.
Alaskan here..we grew up being told to respect and to maintain distance with Moose. Bears were not the main concern bc we knew to make lots of noise when out berry picking.
I'm Canadian and I've lived for a few years off-grid in the wilds of Northwest Territory. I've been to Minnesota in the dead of winter. I've noticed; Minnesota = Northwest Territory.
Excellent analysis, I love the detail you go in to. You speak with such clarity of thought, really enjoyed this despite the sad circumstances.
Bears are pretty outdoorsy also, and the one thing they do in October is eat everything they can find before they hibernate…
What about a bear attack? Bears have gone into tents before. Would be tall enough to poke its head or paw into the makeshift tent opening and cause an initial wound that would bleed and rouse him out in a panic. They said his items were scattered pre snow, so pre hybernation as well? Maybe the bear was drawn to his camp for the food items he had? I didn't see if his food was stored away from him and up high.
Then wolves come in later to pick through the remains. At least a bear is more likely to me than big foot, and a hungry bear can easliy overwhelm a single person.
There was not a single shred or tear in his tent or hammock.
Bears tend to make horrendous messes, tearing up stuff, rooting through things. Though beans and grains were mentioned for the man's diet, he surely had other items that might interest bears. Blood spattered items I think would be of interest to bears. It also looks like there was a vodka bottle in the hammock. If so, I think that, full or empty, would interest bears.
@effaroundfindout The tent was makeshift and open ended by the look of it, so entry and exit are no problem. If it was drawn there for his food initially, it could've just nosed its way in one side. If they both startled each other, one rake across the head with its claws would cause significant bleeding and perhaps cause each of them to exit the tent without any damage being necessary. All we can do is say "if" to fill in the blanks. But a bear encounter seems more likely to me given how his camp appeared to be set up with food around.
@annalisette5897 Yeah, the way his camp was set up at the time does not look very secure. It seems he stored his possessions right under him, and if that included food, that could draw a bear right into his camp and sleeping quarters. From there an unfortunate encounter could've taken place. It just seems so likely to me, definitely more than any type of paranormal encounter, given how the site was set up.
@@SMac86 Yeah, but...........bears make gosh-awful messes. They rip stuff to shreds, including vehicles and trailers. If a bear was attracted to a potential food source in the tent, I believe everything would have been torn up and scattered. I have never seen a bear do anything neatly. Maybe they do sometimes, but my personal experience is that they are very destructive and messy.
My best theory is that the man was injured going from his truck to camp, attempted to rest or whatever until he was better, and likely died outside of his tent, maybe trying to return to the truck.
Locals in comments say the deadliest animal in the woods at that time is a bull moose in rut. I have heard horror stories about that. Moose are much larger than basic deer or even elk. A moose hoof can be larger than the biggest domestic cow hoof. I don't even know how to make a comparison with other creatures. And the antlers, and the bad mood when they are chasing females......
I’d like to add something. I have no idea what happened, but as far as knives being sheafed, you really don’t know what you will do in an emergency. At 19 I had a hand accident in my dad’s basement with a table saw, and despite my injury and all the blood, I was told later that I turned around and unplugged the saw from the wall because the rule was to never leave a powered tool plugged in because I had young siblings. I had no memory I did this, but the evidence was there from the blood and the fact the saw was unplugged.
So lesson here is sometimes people are capable of doing things that don’t seem that important to the emergency event at the time, but were important in other situations. If he had an accident with a knife, he could have easily put it back where it belonged because that just might have been what he always did. He may not have been in panic mode.
He froze to death and got eaten by animals. It’s fairly obvious. You can’t survive in those very harsh winters with a tarp tent, it’s just not possible.
I think they “could” but they have to know midwestern winters, Especially if they’re used to desert climates - I grew up on a farm in Ohio - those midwestern winter storms can come out of no where and be absolutely HARSH and they come up on you so fast - unless your seriously prepaired with dry firewood and a built shelter - well it’s not going to be a good outcome and by the time the storm hits it’s too late, midwestern winter storms are not only cold and snowy but very wet.
I would agree except for the blood. If he was attacked by a bear or wolves soon after succumbing to hypothermia then the theory makes some sense but otherwise, the blood would be too thick to spread around like that.
Correct. If he froze to death, that wouldn't account for blood splatter, yet alone the amount of blood found.
I wish that young man built cabin instead of tent , small cabin with fireplace inside would’ve made big difference
@@WoodsPrecisionArms I grew up in Chicago and went camping in East TN in the mid 90’s. The absolute worst storm I’ve ever encountered was in Cades Cove, TN. Weather was 70’s-80’s the day prior. A blizzard rolled in while I was camping and made a mad dash back to my car. I was not prepared whatsoever for a blizzard as I planned on leaving the next day. The storm rolled in 2 days earlier than forecasted. Several people froze to death out there as no one was prepped for it. Just nuts.
The woods, the desert, the ocean, the mountains...they are all ready to quickly take out the naive, the unprepared, the arrogant, etc.
Man's no match for nature
Don't mess with Mother Nature.😳
He parked in the area of private cabins, trespassed on private property, and set up camp, that’s a motive for murder. Those vacation homes get broken into by so-called “survivalists” to steal food, electricity to charge things like phones, clothing, liquor, etc during winter months. People who own those cabins are hunters, and if someone is on their land, possibly with the intention of breaking into and using their homes for shelter, they get nuts. I have a private cabin, and can tell you this with certainty. Some are pure crazy.
Or, it’s possible he was accidentally shot. Maybe he looked like a bear. What ever happened was too fast for him to call anyone.
Also, bleeding out like that, by cutting a main artery, causes a lot of blood. Blood is like paint, and you have over a gallon of it in your body. If he bled out, there would be a ton of blood. In fact, paint is manufactured like blood. It had gel particles that resemble blood cells. Maximum coverage. So paint and blood are similar, and you have over a gallon in the body. I don’t see enough blood here.
I think he was killed, intentionally or accidentally, by a homeowner. The cops probably figured it out, covered it up.
Yeah, this is real cynical, but mountain people WILL shoot you if you’re on their property. And the families are very interconnected. They go back generations. They have their own type of Justice.
Mn people are the least crazy, and we don't have mountain people 😂
Yep I know this from living in the Ozarks..you do NOT trespass bcuz they WILL shoot and ask questions later..it's called RESPECT! Some ppl have to learn the hard way
I love this channel- I completely follow along with your theories. Well thought out and no exaggeration and drama. Just facts and investigation.
Regarding the accidental cut theory... I think it is plausible that he could have accidentally cut himself in his hammock and in the ensuing moments of panic, struggling to not bleed out, including cutting strips of material to hopefully stem the bleeding, he exited his hammock and, unfortunately succumbed to his injuries somewhere close to but outside his hammock. It would explain the blood inside and out of the hanmock and also explain how animal predation could occur on his remains without the hammock area being disturbed by the animals.
Agreed. 👏
What about the knife? No knife was found unsheathed, or bloodstained. You don't have a theory without the knife.
When someone dies because of blood loss there will be A LOT of blood.
And I mean a lot.
May his soul rest in peace!
Plausible, and most likely what happened, but there should be blood present on the knife, even if it was wiped clean forensic science should have found it if it was there, perhaps they didn't forensically test them, perhaps the knife wasn't found, perhaps it was on him when he died and scavengers dragged it away, perhaps he threw it away into the forest in a fit of rage after having cut himself, would he have acted in such a way, he had a lot of experience living like this did he ever accidentally cut himself before, wouldn't an experienced outdoorsman have a first aid kit, shouldn't anyone carrying a gun for self defence also carry at least one tourniquet, did this accident happen at night and is that why his belongings were jumbled around, did he rummage through them in the dark looking for first aid, why would someone be playing with a knife in a sleeping bag, in a hammock, in an improvised shelter, in the middle of the woods, alone, at night, there are many questions, but few answers.
And also did not have time to text or call anyone while he frantically tried to stem the bleeding. I VOTE FOR THIS ONE!!
This case is always intrigued me. Much like Mr Grider, I've spent the past 10 years living in the woods, (in hammocks identical to his setup) but always stay within earshot of a road. Never go too deep into any woods, stay on the periphery of a town or city.
This guy had everything he needed, and was very well experienced, do not think you can outmaneuver the depths and unknowns of the woods.
Excellent video, great content...and the comments are great, too! So many good ideas and arguments. Thanks!
This guy was completely and utterly unprepared for living off grid in the BWCA in the winter. It wasn't Bigfoot, it was someone who overestimated their abilities and underestimated the environment.
No
Nope. Had to be a Bigfoot. Or maybe ancient aliens
He had been doing this for 10 years....
Dude...classic Bigfoot case! Even down to the spreading of wolf dung to cover it's tracks! 😊
I definitely agree, but there are still anomalies.
Coming from someone born, raised, and still living in this climate, I don't this man had any idea what he was really getting himself into.
It is hard to know what happened, probably an accident or animals. But there is the story of a forensic doctor that was hunting in the middle of nowhere, he found a bone pile with many animal bones, among the bones he found half a body of a human being, his head was smashed by what the doctor called, a very powerful strike to the top of the head. Maybe the poor guy was murdered and dragged off by some animal, maybe it was an accident. What is strange is that the cops deemed it as a bear atack. So, even if someone is killed by bigfoot/dogman, always will be a cover up by the authorities. I am not saying it was the case with Jordan Grider, but we have to have a open mind.
People employed by Parks, LE, gov’t agencies, etc. report, all the time, that they’d better keep their mouths shut (about you know what) if they value their careers.
At 8:43 in the video you clearly see a bottle of heet automotive fuel additive. This is frequently used as camp fuel for alcohol stoves by back country campers. The improvised fuel cell can be made from any aluminum beverage can. I suspect investigators didn’t recognize this as a camp stove. This is a predation case wolves or grizzly bear.
No grizzlies in Minnesota - Black bear maybe?
A respect your willingness to avoid supernatural stuff. Such approach is the way to go, always a pleasure to see you upload.
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You saying my boy bigfoot isn’t real?
The supernatural does exist though.
@@JReef Prove it.
@@thing_under_the_stairs Thats not how that works. Theres a realm of things that can't be understood with traditional scientific method. Ironic, seeing as how you seem to be a Poe fan.
alude to bigfoot or sasquatch being involved in any way and I'm clicking the video every single time
Me to!!😂😂
I click any new Missing Enigma!
Definitely.
Me too I'm 25min in though and still no mention of sasquatch 😅
Bears are brutal when they're hungry and set their sights on you!
DOGMAN, A squatch didn't do this.
thats my thought possibly the warewolf type. thought comes due to the downplay
Disagree. This fits the profile of a Gargoyle
They may not have solved this case but their are glaring, stand out issues:
1st - What experienced outdoorsman, of ten yeats, chooses the Boundaries Waters Wilderness Area of Minnesota and plan to spend the Winter there? Doesn't he have any idea just how cold the temperatures get? This would be hard to do out of a cabin that had stock piles of pre-cut wood and a wood burning stove! Yet he wasn't aware of this?
2nd - Adding to his insane choice of living out a winter, he chooses basically a Ridgeline and hammock set up? Seriously? To any real outdoorsman, who has spent anytime at all hiking and camping in the mountains and ruffed it out in some severe weather, will tell you that this guy had a suicide wish? No exaggeration here because that's exactly what it would be. Just trying to keep your water from constantly freezing over or to keep a fire burning long enough to keep you from freezing would be a full time task and being experienced he would have known this.
3rd - If he cut strips for tourniquets after he cut himself, there would have been blood all over them, just like his beany and other items near his hammock. These were cut before he started to bleed.
4rth - Why would his mother offer up the idea of her son cutting himself shaving or widdaling?
5th - Why would the officers involved just go along with the mothers explanation and close the case?
6th - Why was the mother then so quick to offer and post the final explanation that it was wolves?
I believe suicide might be the explanation, and maybe out of respect, they just closed the case?
Last, moving someone's truck, like the forestry did, could have killed anyone who was desperately trying to to escape from the cold. They should never ever be able to move someone vehicle until after they made an earnest attempt to find that person, period. That's almost criminal!!
Good points there.
Ex Marine with ptsd commits suicide. Who takes a bottle of vodka to bed? Vodka sure would make suicide easier.
(My best educated guess.)
I agree..moving his truck was wrong! A matter of life and death
My best educated guess:
An ex Marine 6:29 suffering from what was latent ptsd commits suicide after consuming a large amount of vodka 21:34. Why would one take a bottle of vodka to bed with them when intending to sleep? A little uncomfortabe I would think. Vodka would make suicide much easier. A single predator animal could've dragged his body outside without disturbing the tent or contents much, for better access for consumption, spilling and spreading the ammo in the process. The cut stips of fabric thougt to be makeshift bandages may actually have been wicks for a makeshift stove or heater using the fuel tank deicer "heet" at 8:32.
His mother's mention of a shaving accident or wolves MIGHT be to cover the fact of suicide out of shame. Anyway, a hero is a hero, dead or alive.
Excellent points. I live in Minnesota and that camp doesn’t look good enough for “fall” weather, much less, winter camping. What was in the bags in his truck ? I don’t like the fact that his truck was towed. Was the parking lot in easy eye site from the main trail ? I think , it obvious that animals ate the body that was apparently,fully clothed. I lean toward accidental death , but agree with you, that it seems suicidal.
I don't see how they thought him having so few supplies was shocking. I mean his truck was relatively near by
I'm in Idaho. We didn't have wolves growing up, but we do now.
My first an only encounter with them wasn't far from Boise, I was hiking with my German Shepherd. A pack was chasing a deer, the deer passed my dog & I on the trail and we became the prey.
I had to kill one. A big beautiful solid black wolf. It was a shame, but that's how it goes.
Wolves look like dogs, but they aren't dogs. They rarely prey on humans, but I can say unequivocally that my dog & I likely would've been lunch had I not been armed.
We don't live in a video game.
Wolves, much like Israel, can literally do no wrong. Shame on you for killing it after scaring ofd its prey
Could have simply died of a heart attack/stroke/aneurysm and scavengers ate him..
He bled. So I don’t think so. It could have been an accident with a hatchet or even a rutting buck.
@@highdesertsun3154yeah if a scavenger got to him soon he might have bled but you are right. Also did they do dna tests on the blood they found around the camp? Or he could have bled to death from a ruptured artery (can’t remember the proper terminology) in his neck/throat that sometimes happens to alcoholics… had a buddy die from that last year.. not pretty.. blood everywhere coming out your mouth.
Clearly this is the result of a facehugger attack. A xenomorph is definitely in the area.
@@highdesertsun3154 edit: ruptured esophageal varices
not pretty
Heart attack is highly unlikely at 29.
I think this is a slightly different format from when I'd watched you some time ago. I like it! Thanks as always for another very intriguing case. Your presentation of the facts is very informative and engaging.
This guy had no clue about living in northern Minnesota ! If this guy cut himself why didn’t he call or text for help ? Wolves are ruthless animals and will take an easy meal when they can ! The reason you don’t hear of wolves attacking people in Minnesota is people carry guns and if threatened by wolves people shoot them and don’t report it due to persecution from the law !
In the fall when this happened, predatory animals are trying to pack on pounds in preparation for winter. A wolf pack would be particularly aggressive at that time. The fact that wolf scat was found around the site is supportive of the wolf attack hypothesis. If the man was sitting in his hammock, rather than laying in it during the attack, the hammock itself might not have sustained damage -- just his upper body as he tried to fight, so blood everywhere. No knife or gun used, so he didn't have time to grab them (i e. was taken by surprise).
Alone in literal wilderness, no dog with him to alert to danger, even a small mistake can be fatal in that setting.
He was experienced outdoorsman but not in this particular region. And October. Alone. No immediate weapons. No early alert. Wilderness with predator populations. Sounds like he made enough mistakes.
Death by misadventure, I'd say.
I think a bear got him. Needed to pack on pounds before winter sets in. Smelled the rice n beans cooking may of drew one into camp. Bears (I heard) are very quiet when walking through the woods and before you know it ..they in your space. No time to grab a gun.
7 minutes after this dropped!!! I wasn't even expecting anything for another 2-3 weeks!
Excellent coverage of this mysterious death! Fascinating. Just for the record, the campsite photos didn't seem to indicate an experienced outdoorsman at all.
Hi, I watched the presentation a few days ago and have given it some thought.
"No single theory really fitting the circumstances perfectly, " I heard you say.
May I offer this.
Jordan sets up his camp. He ducks back into town to pick up a few items he has forgotten to bring. Sometime later, back in the woods, he has a fall where he strikes his head quite hard on a rock concealed by leaf litter. Even an experienced woodsman could do this. Perhaps he was even unconscious for a short while. Perhaps his arms were full of firewood and he was unable to react quickly enough to save himself from injury. He then makes his way back to his campsite, with a bleeding head and a possible concussion. He decides to lie down in his hammock to get over the shock of the sudden trauma. His injury turns out to be quite a bit worse than he thought. He falls asleep ( an absolute no-no for anyone with a suspected concussion ) and slips into a coma, where he is vulnerable to attack from predatory animals like wolves, who smell the fresh blood and come running. His body is dragged out of the makeshift tent, where he is devoured.
This would account for the knife collection being free of blood and still in their sheaths. And why his handgun was not used. And also, the blood-stained beanie that was found. The scattered items strongly hint at a pack of wolves. Jordan was not robbed.
It must have all happened sometime after the date (2018-10-09) on the last receipt that was found in his truck.
The interesting thing about the receipt is the trivial amount of purchase items listed on it. This clearly indicates that he was not opposed to nicking down to the nearest shop to get a few things he may have forgotten to bring.
I am of the belief that it is a case of death through misadventure. The is no evidence to illustrate the presence of a Sasquatch.
My sincere condolences to his family and friends.
Wow we have been spoiled with content lately!
*Thanks Nick
A few details stand out. First is the concentration of blood around the head area unlikely if there was not a head injury. The blood on the pillow suggests he was potentially trying to sleep either after or during the event when the injury occurred. There is also blood on at least two plastic bags and blood smeared on the right bottom corner of the fold out knife and tool kit. Suggesting there was blood also on his hands and that was transferred to the bags and knife kit. This indicates he was aware and actively searching for likely first aid items to treat himself. The sleeping bag was not torn up or full of blood so he didn't pass away while trying to sleep or while inside the tent. The boots had a little bit of blood on them but not too much. Which suggested a little transfer from the hands while removing them.
This all points to sustaining some type of head injury either from a slip and fall or potentially a falling tree or branch. Which lead to an initial effort to stop the bleeding with some makeshift bandages to wrap around the area of scalp that was bleeding. The small amount of blood by the knife handle indicates that the knife was used to cut bandages. The pillow indicates that he may have attempted to lay down. But the bandages maybe didn't stop the bleeding. His judgement may have been impaired by alcohol, concussion, or some combination of the two. The vodka could have led to a slip or missing a potential hazard such as a dead tree limb or trunk.
The reason I point towards tree limb is because the photos show a very familiar forest identical to what is common in Canada as well. Rather than sturdy red and white pines predominate in some regions. Areas around lakes and marshes typically have poplar trees, with ash, and birch trees predominantly. Ash are usually sturdy. But the birch trees often rot and become very soft. Likewise, many poplar trees will die in a marshy area once they reach a particular size. It can be very windy in the fall.
He was actually very delusional to think that he could survive a Canadian winter with a tarp and no heat source inside his shelter. But it seems it was another level of inexperience in this terrain and type of wilderness that got him. 10 years of experience in the mid-west doesn't mean anything when you step into an entirely new eco-system. The most common thing I see around beaver ponds is dead trees and widow makers. They don't call them widow makers for nothing.
So it seems plausible that he was trying to get fire wood eager to get settled. He encountered a standing dead birch tree which he noticed had no top only a long section of dead trunk. He pushed the tree trying to test if he could push it down. Except that particular kind of birch has almost not flexibility. Rather than bend, if disturbed, usually a large portion of the trunk from the top will suddenly snap off and come crashing down. Being water logged and even a bit frozen the dead wood can become very heavy. It is also very bad wood to use for firewood because it burns poorly and creates a lot of foul smoke.
A third option is that smoke from starting a fire or just blowing into a tinder pile caused him to become light headed and fall. Either way he somehow sustained a head injury causing him to lose a lot of blood. Likely during dusk or after dark. He tried to treat himself and sleep it off. In the night he woke up for some reason. Maybe to relieve himself or maybe in confusion. He didn't make it far before losing consciousness and falling to the ground. Then he either succumbed to the injury, the elements, or he was finally attacked by wild animals drawn to the scent of blood and sensing his weakness.
His remains were consumed and scattered about by wild animals. Resulting in torn clothing and scattered broken bones.
I hope this theory can help to provide some closure and peace for his family.
Don't sound like he injured himself fam sounds like he was attacked
I think its likely a tree fell on him or a large branch on the head. Split his head open thats why the beanie is all bloody and no struggle area. Animals scattered the remains. Rip
Thank you for posting this video! This was well presented and very helpful to us outdoors enthusiasts. The points you made are of the utmost importance when spending time in remote areas. I also appreciate the respectful way you were mindful of this man’s family and friend’s feelings regarding this case.
If there was blood on the pillow and sleeping bag, he was kill&d and dragged out of it
not at all. you’re jumping to conclusions.
think: all this tells us is that he was bleeding/injured.
it’s just as likely he got into the bag while injured.
Who would kill him there though if it was a murder why there and not on the way from the store? Why kill him in his tent if it was a bear then that askes fhe question of if bear bites were found in the bones.
Makes perfect sense except what? A human would have definitely taken the money out of his wallet at least. And a large predator wouldn't have killed him in his hammock and then dragged him out of it. The tarp doesn't seem high enough for a Dogman to have killed him in his hammock and then took him out of it. This is a stumper!
Not necessarily. He could have been injured away from camp and managed to make it back and then bled out.
That bottle of alcohol looks pretty empty.
Finally the voice of reason. How is everybody else missing that???
Yeah, and alcohol doesn’t warm you up. It actually drops your body temperature.
Amazing content as always! Thank you!
A real mystery and I feel so sorry for the lad. Brilliantly narrated and story told with compassion for all involved. Rest In Peace, Jordan.
Thank you, this is interesting as always. As a hunter from Ontario of some 46yrs. This story shows us that no matter how skilled we are in the forest as in life, anything can happen! My hunting in Northern Ontario could have went terribly wrong at any moment. Unprepared for a night or two lost in the forest. A dozen bullets for my 270 Rem, only a lighter. No food or water. My thoughts & prayers are with the family & friends of Jordan. God bless & thank you!
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