On The Trail - The Mysterious Disappearance Of Teenage Hunter Corey Fay
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2022
- This video covers the November 23, 1991 disappearance of Corey Fay in the Badger Creek Wilderness, near the Tygh Valley in Oregon.
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Hearing someone yell help and never finding them must be something that never leaves you
This story makes it sound though they really didn't try that hard to keep finding the voice.
It doesn’t
@@JennyWinters it's very weird. did they not ask the person their name? What sort of help they need? Can they let a loved one know they're there?
@@SamSam-ny6gt probably cops. dumb guys.
@@SamSam-ny6gt "CAN YOU SHOOT?"
"NOOOOO!"
"SORRY BYE!"
I dunno how he would have survived a week though with no food, water nor shelter since the searches claimed it was aprox a week after they began looking that they heard the call for help.
I got lost once in the woods east of Bisop California. I’ll admit I was afraid and spent one night separated from my hunting group. It was the longest and eeriest night of my life. It was cold and extremely dark. You could hear all kinds of noises coming from everywhere. Morning could not come fast enough and I began heading west crossing canyons with dense forest. I finally found a power line right of way and followed it west. Around 9pm that night I was spotted by the CHP. I was off the location where they had assembled to searching for me by 12 miles. To this day looking back at the maps I still have a hard time digesting that I walked so far. And realize now how lucky I was to be found. Man, was I lucky. I really appreciate your channel and can relate to these stories. Thanks for the content. Best-
Similar thing happened to me hiking a very long stretch of the AT. It started getting dark and I didn't want to hike 12 miles back the way I came. Luckily, I had a laminated topographic map and an orienteering compass, so I bushwhacked a half mile down from the ridge to a dirt road. It became a very, very steep streambed with glacial boulders everywhere. It ended up taking me over an hour to finally get to the dirt road. I hiked back to my car using my headlamp and didn't get home until late that night. Even with a compass and map, it's easy to underestimate how rugged the terrain can be and if I had broken my leg, it would have been a disaster (before cell phones).
Very glad you're still here, my friend, god bless you and stay safe.
Still, that sounds like one hell of an experience!
Your comment helps me understand why he was so far from where he was last seen. Thank you.
Lame.......
I think it’s Really strange that those same Guys/Hunters that had @ least 1 of them that helped in the immediate search to end up not only finding His backpack 🎒 & other remains but also the same day find His weapon 🤔
in a different location don’t forget
Very Very strange
I got lost in the woods for 4 days straight as a teenager. I had no food, and drank as much as I could whenever I found a stream/creek. The first day was spent finding a way out, the second was spent going in what I thought was the right direction. During this time I could feel my mind slipping as every night I would stay awake afraid of what lie in the darkness. My overactive mind made me see shadow people and jump at every sound to the point where I would climb a tree in fear and wait the night out.
At the third day things become blurry, probably from my lack of sleep and dilerium. I can't remember what happened, except that I was screaming and crying as the sun went down because I didn't want to be left in the dark again. I was finally found due to my screaming being so loud. Everything was a blurr, but I remember my mom telling me they had dogs and helicopters looking for me. I was in extreme shock and had to go to therapy for years, refusing to sleep in the dark.
Long story short, being lost can traumatize you and I'm not surprised people can't remember what happened during their time while lost. Your mind changes...it slips into some dilerious darkness.
Did you go into the woods on your own or did you get separated from a group?
Also, do you avoid the outdoors now or have you done something like adopt keeping personal survival kits on your person and/or in your vehicle?
@@wmluna381 I went in with my brother and our friend, and not even half way through the first day i got seperated. We left a an ATV next to a barbed fence where we entered the forest near our house. I had to go to the bathroom, and told them to keep going because we were on the deer trails my friend hunts on. He was confident we wouldn't get lost. I didn't know the trails like he did, and they went off a bit away. It's was as simple as leaving a trail, and the next thing i knew i was lost.
I do still love the outdoors, but I can't go outside at nighttime. I sometimes have nightmares about the stuff I saw while in a dilerious state of mind. I never go hiking alone, or at nighttime, and I never leave my group. I also do keep a survival kit on me at all times, including a firearm LOL
@@cxtgxrl1177 Wow, thanks for providing all the details. They provide a lot of insight as to how getting disoriented and lost can happen so unexpectedly. Oof.
I can certainly understand still having some of that trauma and not wanting to venture out at night with the prospect of ever going through that again. Good deal that you invested in keeping a kit and protection with you as a result.
Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. Hope you have a great night!
Dang that is so freaky. Glad you made it, friend.
Toughen up 😂
I think what is often overlooked and not discussed enough is how delirious people become once lost. I think panic can drive a person to walk miles and miles before their bodies just quit. It’s sad.
And when your panicked you lose t re ack of time and distance.
I have hiked alot and have had a really tough life. I have had to hitch hike or Walk to get around and when exhausted you can become delicious and go forever.
Every walk in the woods is an IQ test. Has been since the beginning of time.
@@lukesmith9692yum
@@lukesmith9692That’s a funny typo.
When I was young and being taught about the woods and hunting, my uncle told us the following story over and over...One time when he was deer hunting in his late teens, he was on his stand in the cold and snowy forest. He said out of nowhere he could hear a man screaming for help getting closer and closer. He said all the sudden this man, nearly naked came running thru the woods yelling at the top his lungs for help! My uncle whistled at him loudly with his fingers and yelled to him again and again, but the man could not hear him even though he was only like 20 yards away or less. Panic had set in so deep along w hyperthermia that poor man was not even able to comprehend help right infront of him!! My uncle got down and tried to run him down but couldn't with his heavy clothes and deep snow so he went to get his dad, my grandfather, and informed him as they were hunting together in different areas. This was long before cell back in the 60s and they had to go to town to get help. Long story short..the man was found passed away a day or 2 later. They had tracked his mania filled trail all over the place and found he literally crossed a road and was found shortly after on the other side of the road deceased. Didn't even see the road he crossed in blind Panic. I will tell you that story never left me and my uncles survival talks saved my bacon when I myself got lost while tracking an animal many years later. Just wanted to share. Thanks
That sounds like something that happened to me as a hotel clerk. A naked man came running into the lobby yelling for help. I asked him what was wrong. He had a faraway look in his eyes like he wasn't on this planet. Police were called and turned out the guy was on meth. So I wonder at some of these stories being meth induced?
@@robynperdieu3434 decently could be and would explain the
Thank you for that story. I have heard of such things happening to people and it is sad. I could see how this boy traveled many miles before he dies. If you get lost pray and stay put.
Craig, sounds like something was after that terrified man running in a blind panic.
Holy shit, that's terrifying. Sounds like paradoxical undressing is the reason he was naked. Your mind can do some bizarre things when running on pure instinct. Terminal burrowing is another unusual behavior we see in late-stage hypothermia, also known as hide-and-die. I heard a story of a body of a man who died of hypothermia in a home and they found him underneath a sofa. Morbid stuff lol.
Anyways, I wish anyone who succumbs to nature a peaceful ever-after.
I am James Glenn's daughter and I just wanted to say that my heart broke for Cory then & still brings a tear to my eye today. I remember my dad leaving home to go join the search party & I remember when he came home and said he found his gun .
what a sad story it is.
What do you think happened to him!
@@paulsandoval5936 I always want to know what the locals think.
Not from there but I believe it's foul play
That's pretty cool that this video reached you. I mean think about those odds...
@@robertsutton3946i like odds
I found 2 lost hunters years ago. I gave them a ride back to where they parked at. There was no possible way they got to where they was without crossing 2 heavily used gravel roads. But they said they hadn’t crossed any roads. People lost in the woods do strange things. And often don’t notice things that would help them.
I just read another comment someone posted here of their uncle who was hunting in heavily snowed woods, seeing a man screaming at the top of his lungs “HELP!” While running through his eyeline from one side of trees to the other. The uncle whistled and even yelled to him before trying to catch up to no avail. Before returning to town to inform the local authorities. To which the man was found a day or two later, they tracked him and his movements were erratic even going over a road into another tree line, the man must of been out of his mind with fear, not seeing salvation. A testament to what it can do if you are consumed by it.
If I ever get lost, I'm going to sit my happy ass down and wait to be rescued.
@@lilacgiraffe1179right!? I think the best thing anyone could do, at least initially, is if your lost or separated from your group, stay where you are for at least a few hours.. if no one comes, try to do anything you can to make a fire. Like focus all of your effort on that, rather than trying to walk deeper and deeper into oblivion. That way, you’ll be warm when it comes night time and searchers will be able to spot you better. If it’s winter or wet, well really don’t know 😂 that’s why I don’t go out in the wilderness. Still I think making a fire, even trying to burn a dry piece of clothes you don’t need as much is better than nothing to become more visible. That and always carry a whistle
If you knew it's not the people its things you beLIEve are make beLIEve. 411 missing makes it's as abvious as it gets folklore things with folklore abilities are realer then you and your fabricated existence🤫
Very true. People get tunnel vision when they panic and often don't notice things that seem like they'd be obvious.
I am 50 years old now and have been a police officer going on 24 years. If there is one thing I have learned, it's that without any witnesses or SOLID evidence to a death, it can always look suspicious. I have been on MANY calls where a person passed away in their home, days before our coming across them and it seemed suspicious as all hell. Only later to find out from the coroner that the person passed from natural causes. When you start looking at cases like these (missing in the woods, age and health of the deceased, etc....) with no witnesses, one can imagine how suspicious it may seem. When in actuality, the person's death was very "normal" for the circumstances they were in. From the time of last seen to the time of found deceased, including distance traveled (be it long or short), our minds run through a gambit of what COULD HAVE happened to the deceased. But in actuality, the truth is very average and boring. Most of the time it's as simple as getting lost and falling victim to the environment.
The one thing that does concern me about this story is the fact that a group of hunters were shot at and it does not seem like much of an investigation was done on that. Even if it's not connected to the Fay case, that is a crime that needs to be thoroughly investigated.
And the shooters hunted them hunters 500 meters back to there camp before they backed off
Exactly.
Yea if all looked at separately. Ok so ur gonna have to deal with kid is lost. Screaming for help but can’t use working gun. Not sure if u have helped find someone missing in woods or been lost urself in woods. But it does get terrifying and this huge weight of desperation sets in. This is why they tell ppl to stay in one spot. Because in there extreme desperation they will actually panic and start running. So this kid is lost and actually makes contact with someone. Yea there is no way he is leaving the sound of that voice. UNLESS he is in hypothermia. Welp that means he is very deep into hypothermia if he is starting to lose motor function and cognitive ability to not be able to shoot gun. Nor follow sound of voice. So if he is that deep no way he’s walking straight line 8miles away. That might have been believable if it was a pathway that was like why did he go up there. It wouldn’t make sense. If ur in that stage of hypothermia ur not going to walk straight line for 8 miles. U wouldn’t take prob a nice game trail all the way over. But hey if ur trying to cover up a murdered that’s an easy spot to explain it away as accident if no one is suspicious. So this town was complaining about funds used for search and how they were running out of money. U think they want to take on a murder case like this one. Odd that the night before they go hunting they stay at dudes fireplace shop. Oh no not at his house u know where beds and rooms were. Where u have a bathroom kitchen to cook and a sink for water. No why stay at his house! Wonder why they made that story up. I live in MT and hunt. Had to leave a spot I grew up hunting because to many ppl in area. Couldn’t walk it anymore without running into another Hunter. This is right next to a major metropolitan city. There was hunters all over that mtn. So when they were out there doing their fake calls for help. Yea think they were surprised how many hunters were out there. This is why they shot at those one hunters. A lot closer than they thought. So as hunters approached to help they shot at them to keep them from seeing faces. This is also why Corey didn’t shoot right. They knew if they shot all these hunters in area would be able to pin point location of shot. They really didn’t want that. This is why gun was in working order when found. These guys knew all the right things to do and say. This is all text book crap. But u add it all up. None of it makes sense.
I think the most suspicious cases are the ones where the person is never found and they abandon vehicles & leave important items behind, without reason, like cell phone, firearm, wallet, purse, keys, back pack, etc.
@@1w598 - I've had a few of those in my career. not many. some were suicide. They just walked off up into the hills and either shot or hung themselves. Sad
My experience as a teenager from being lost in the woods is that the sense of urgency to do something ,which is to keep moving, definitely beat out rational thinking.
There 6
Got lost at like 12 years old and it was getting dark. I just remember thinking I need to keep moving and double time! I made it to a familiar road and was home within minutes but it was a trip.
This is the detail that I think is being overlooked: Corey was a kid. He was a teenager that was in over his head and utterly panicked. The tragedy is that he had the gear and the skills to survive long enough to be rescued, but panic almost certainly doomed him.
Nope
@matashake - I see Paulides has joined the discussion
Very sad. I had a child go missing as an adult, she was gone for four days before being found. I couldn't function while she was missing. My heart goes out to the parents of Corey, as well as all of his family and family. My child was found safe, thank God!! I wish there was a happy outcome for Corey also.
What happened?
That's great she was found safe - in many environments, 4 days might be okay without food but without water someone is in extreme danger just from that alone.
I have a lot of respect for you after seeing you actually go to the site of Corey's disappearance. I think he saw a trophy animal and went after it got turned around in all the excitement and died from exposure. I hunted for 50 years , so I'm making this observation from experience. The deep woods in winter is and easy place to die. My condolences to his family and friends.
That is much along the line of my own thinking, though it would not have needed to be a trophy animal to excite a novice hunter. Corey might even have wounded an elk and was in the process of doing the right thing with followup tracking. (All the shooting that his hunting partners heard could have been shots at an elk, plus Corey's attempts to alert them and try to bring help to his task. We don't know how many rounds of the "two boxes of ammo" that Corey borrowed from his grandfather that Corey actually took into the woods. Did he burn 19 rounds zeroing, or just a couple confirming that the scope was properly adjusted? I count 21 unfired rounds in the evidence photo of Corey's recovered gear.)
It's always tragic and sad when an innocent young person dies. While I have questions that the video didn't answer, I see nothing much mysterious in the case. I've traveled more than eight miles in a single day through wooded cover just on a fresh track. Toss in long road walks back to my vehicle or camp and there have been a couple times that the total exceeded twenty miles covered from first light to well after nightfall. And as noted in the video narration, Corey did not travel that eight-to-ten miles in the first day of the hunt, especially if the tracks found in snow that fell three days later were indeed his. He had a compass in his kit. Video doesn't reveal whether or not he had a map as well. If he was already out a couple days on the track of a wounded elk, and had not been able to raise a response from hunting partners or searchers, he might have simply been striking ENE toward Highway 35 when hypothermia overwhelmed him -- it would have been a mere fraction of the distance he'd have had to travel to reach Tygh Valley.
As a hunter it's easier then you think to get lost if not being aware of your surroundings at all times
Don’t panic, take a breath and sit down and relax. Getting lost for a few minutes is scary. Brain gets vapor lock. I typically keep track of where I am at at all times but sometimes I can slip up. Maybe twice.
Even when I get lost I easily find my way back all I do is just go backwards the way I came, I don't understand how you can get so lost that you can't find your way back the way you came
@@HiNRGboy when hiking a lot, it will happen. Raining foggy snow sleet hail freezing rain can make it interesting.
@@HiNRGboy some places in NY where I'm from everything looks the same in the woods so it's easy to lock on a deer tracking it and get lost with out being able to back track I always find my way out to but that's because I know if I make sure I walk straight far enough I'll hit some kinda road
The only thing that sticks out like a sore thumb, is the testimony of three hunters who were shot at while at close range, dropped to cover, got up and ran and the shooting followed them. That seems exceptionally sinister.
Agreed, thought this was by far the thing to stand out to me, not the distance. Something sinister was going on up there.
Maybe those same people shot at and chased Cory up the hill.
@@armyvet8279 I would think more likely there is another suspect who shot at the hunters and then came across Cory and went after him instead as he was a single person. Possibly smacked in in the head, killing him which knocked his tooth out when he was asleep from exhaustion probably hiding from this person he had been running from which had led him to that point where his clothing was found. Then ther murderer also stole his shoes as they where better than what he was wearing. Then wolves would have pulvarised any bones left if there are wolves in this area? I believe even bears eat the bones but not sure. Maybe the murderer burried the body well away from that area and it will never be found?
@@ghostface320 . People pay a fine of money for poached moose and deer items, they could have been poaching had a lot of animals and wanted to run people off.
Maybe too close to a pot grow. This happened in Oregon in 1991 and late fall is the time to pick the crop. Pot was still highly illegal then and the growers where normally cartel or gang. They'd have no problem dispatching someone who'd stumbled on em in the middle of picking.
This man goes through the effort of visiting the locations. That’s next level content right there!
I KNOW right?! Love his content & how he covers it
Plus, he gets a lil vacation out of it.
I suspect that any average member of any high school cross country team could, at a walk, travel that distance without even breaking a sweat.
Fake. It's woods near his home every time.
J/K
Well these cases are all in the pacific northwest so he might as well go check the places out since they're in his back yard
I spent some time on a search and rescue team in Joshua Tree National Park. What always seems to stand out in missing persons cases are two things: (1) the circumstances always seem bizarre; and (2) if the remains are eventually found, the subject always seems to travel further than anyone would expect. These cases are fascinating and tragic all at once.
Like the guy missing for 12 years?
@Mary Moser…..Yes, many of these missing persons cases are very fascinating, as well as very disturbing. Poor kid must have been panic stricken.
@@rafaeltorre1643 Bill Ewasko
The only cases that are truly bizzare are when the body is placed in a previously searched area
How did you get into search and rescue? I'd like to be a part of that but don't have much experience with the great outdoors...
I was a german K9-SAR Unit leader for over 10 years and this case is not uncommon for me, beside the more extreme terrain setting in comparison to the areas I was searching back here. But even here in relatively flat and far more dense populated areas, people get lost and are not found for days and sometimes for months, somites forever. Lost person behavior is so different from normal thinking people, that you'll have to expect the unexpected and unlogical, when you are planning a search operation. Old person can only slowly walk with a wheeled walking frame? Expect here on the other side of the montain, so the mountain rescue has to get her oout. Things like paradox unclothing in cold weather because of hypothermia was mentioned in the video. But also the way the people can think is changed by the cold and the snow changes the terrain in a optical manner. Edges and terrain are soften and covered up and are looking not as harsh and extreme as in the summer. Also dogs are not the miracle cure because if you habe free searching dogs, the wind has to come out of the right direction or a dog can walk past a victim 2 meters away without being able to get the smell. Thats why searching in steep hills and mountain are far more challenging and sometimes not possible.
I love these kind of stories so much but other channels always try to embellish the stories or insinuate a super natural angle. I deeply appreciate you're no nonsense, well researched content
I agree 100% on the no nonsense comment. It's a great thing about this channel.
I also agree. There's no need for embellishment because most (all) the stories are creepy enough.
@@christopherengel7436 I watched a documentary called Vanished that featured Dave Paulides, where he suggested to the family members of a missing person that portals may have had something to do with it. I really enjoy these kinds of shows and UA-cam channels like this one but I can't watch Vanished again, it just made me too angry.
@@cyclone8974 David Paulides never once suggested anything supernatural to any family ever. You're an absolute liar.
@@cyclone8974 I understand. I've seen some of Paulides' stuff but never saw him openly suggest any definitive reason for disappearances. I just want the real facts. If my mind wanders toward a solution that's on me.
That testimony of the men who were fired at after being baited with cries for help is crazy because of how it lines up with other pieces of evidence. The rapid firing shots heard soon after Corey went missing could of been Corey being fired at. And others reporting cries for help.
i believe that something was definitely going on out there, whether it was related to Corey in any way we may never know.
No reason to be a dick.
We are all friends here and any insight is welcome.
Do better!
@BandofHorses 1985 lololol
Yeah, the guys getting warning shots was pretty bizarre to say the least, maybe it was hunters who were tracking an animal and didn't want anyone else poaching on what they perceived to be their game? I've never heard of hunters doing such a thing but it's the only thing that makes sense outside of foul play.
If anybody was fired (30 times) at, that doesn't make sense at all, were the fired round cases recovered at that scene? The police should know if the new rifle had been fired multiple times, how many rounds Cory started with and how many fired and unfired rounds they recovered. Since this information isn't released, we will never know what happened.
The main thing that attracted me to your channel was the fact that you travel to as many places as you can. It gives the story more personalization. Nobody else does this.
This artist is so good at portraying the drama and fear of the mystery unfolding before the participants . These drawings stay with me for a long time.
Thank AI for that but I agree with you.
As a hiker it is incredibly easy to overestimate your path, and either get lost or run out of resources. One time I underestimated a trail at great dismal and my 4 hour hike turned into and 8 hour one. If it hadn’t rained I would have been done for. One mistake can snowball into something completely unmanageable. Ever since that day I always overpack my hiking gear with plenty of food and emergency bottles for water.
I had a massive tulip poplar nearly fall on me. Never hike alone.
@@beneficent2557 What happened? Were u hurt?
@@frederickdavis6393 nope. I was stupid. I parked at a trailhead walked 5 miles along the AT (I measured this out exactly) and then saw a thunderstorm forming.
I was rushing back to the populated part of the trail. Tree came down behind me.
Luck is the only thing that saved me.
Widow makers can't get me im not married!
Good for you. We take for granted in our modern life's how easy we have it. The wilderness is beyond huge and once you're out a certain distance you're on your own big time.
Awful that the survival of a child comes down to the local police department's budget. There should be a federal fund for search and rescue operations
you could, but how much money would it need and where would it come from?
I think the cost of a search is overstated. The police are going to get paid whether they are searching or sitting in a cruiser on traffic detail. A helicopter is wasting money when sitting on the ground depreciating. Training requirements can be met with an actual search instead of a simulation.
@@FlyRc23 Well, there's that, but what about the most important factor? What's the cost of a human life? I would think a 17 year old kid would warrant some fair searching, regardless of cost, within reason. Obviously you can't search forever, but a 2 week period is definitely a good start. Most people who ain't found in 24-48 hours usually won't be found alive however.
@@marhawkman303 the search was called off on this one as the bill approached £200k. given the country's huge economy im sure some money of their huge federal budget can be use for a search and rescue emergency fund to help small townships etc. Maybe on a case by case basis where they have to apply for funding
@@marhawkman303 Zool7
When I was in HS 1983 a friend of ours got lost with a friend while on their snowmobile in the Utah mountains. they had intended to be a short run so weren't in proper gear. sadly our friend Mark Buck died from hypothermia inside a snow cave they had made. I feel so bad for this young man. Must have been terrifying 😥🙏
In South Dakota in 2016, a couple went driving a short distance to the store and didn't dress properly. Car broke down, so the guy gets out to go for help in the frigid weather with no winter coat on.. He died of exposure.
@@robynperdieu3434 yeah in parts of alaska smart people take winter clothes with them in case their car breaks down or gets stuck it doesn't matter how old the car is or it's condition. There are many people who have froze to death cause they did not do this. I recall your exact same story years back happening in middle of nowhere in -40 f.
Thank you for pointing out that survival knowledge is not the same as your granpape telling you what to do. It comes with experience and practice. It is so easy to get overwhelmed in those situations
Really wished his grandpa had taken him camping in his youth to help him with wilderness education.
I live about 1.5 hours away from the Badger Creek Wilderness and was over in the area just last weekend. Here are a few thoughts: I have looked into this case and YES there are some mysterious elements that make one wonder if there could have been some foul play. But, after looking at all of the facts it looks like the Perfect Storm for a missing persons case: Corey was young and inexperienced. His grandfather that gave him advice was not much better. That is evidenced in the fact that he had Corey use military issued ammo for the elk hunt. This would have been full metal jacket non-expanding ammo which would have been horrible for elk hunting (or any kind of hunting for that matter). Corey very likely saw some elk and left the trail and was so caught up in the excitement of the chase that he did not pay attention to where he was going and became lost. Considering the time of year it was temps can get pretty cold at night and hypothermia could have set in and confused his thinking. Most likely he died from the elements and animals scavenged his body. A very SAD but intriguing case.
Yes and also we all know when you're out in extreme cold and you are well-dressed you sweat and then after sweating you are wet and then you get cold and goes downhill from there
You can see lights at night from badger especially at his elevation.
Corey wasn't very bright unfortunately
Hypothermia can really sneak up on you. I was hiking alone in freezing weather in Patagonia years ago. Felt great hiking in the cold but got really chilled when I stopped to eat. My shoelace came untied and I couldn't get my fingers to work right. But what really struck me was that I couldn't figure out how to tie my shoe. I could make one loop but was utterly lost about what to do next. It was only then that I realized something was wrong.
@@thebeasters lights from what?
Fmj ammo.is fine if you don't shoot beyond the distance for which it was designed. Fmj 308 , the bullet deforms and loses lots of mass from hitting bone. In fact, 556 fmj, at high velocity, the bullet completely rips apart. So you guys have no idea what you are talking about. Also, there are a half dozen different kinds of ammo traits for normal military ammo, for both 308 and fmj. And 100 kinds of consumer ammo.
You're a really cool guy you know that? I mean seriously, the attention you pay to detail, the humanity in your voice when talking about those who were lost. You are most definitely one of the "realest" internet hosts I think has ever existed or will exist. Thank you for doing these videos.
Foreskin forest 😂😅
I like the use of maps in his videos too. Really good work. And he goes right to the location in many of his videos.
Tired, hungry, freezing and dehydrated. It's easy to see how he could've gotten confused and disoriented. Hopefully he didn't die in fear. I've heard that as people get close to death from freezing a type of calm comes over them.
For anyone that does a lot of walking in Unfamiliar Territory especially hunting in the Winter with extreme cold temps.--A small drone with a Camera carried in a Backpack could save your life, find a open area, fly it up several hundred feet so that you will be able to see the area as a Eagle might see it--roads or maybe some familiar land Marks could be seen to help you exit the Deep Woods...
Wow, that's a good idea. Technology has gotten better and drones have gotten more and more affordable and compact. As have solar / battery pack charges. Make this all the more a viable option.
It's something that can be lost or broken, yes, but there are tradeoffs with any survival item.
I think ego, inexperience, and/or lack of preparation are many peoples' downfalls in these situations though, unfortunately.
I mean at that point, it's cheaper to buy a GPS no?
Even better, always carry some firestarter sticks and at least 2 different means of getting a flame. A lighter can get wet and a magnifying glass can get broken, so redundancy is a necessity. They’re light and compact, so weight shouldn’t be an issue. Even if you’re only going on a day hike, always have a means of building a fire. In a case where you do get lost, a fire is such a lifesaver. Beyond warmth, it provides mental comfort and keeps animals away, as well. You can also build a bonfire (in a safe area, of course) so searchers can see it.
Or you could use the money for a drone that may or may not work to help you out of the situation and buy a GPS and turn on "breadcrumbs" as you hike. couple sets of batteries and you are good to go. Not that the drone is a bad idea but I would definitely prefer the GPS to the drone. If weight, space money allowed I would take a drone as a 2nd.
Orienteering should be taught in school, or at least mandatory in hunter safety class. A Simple compass can save your life.
yes it can
100% AGREED!
Liberals are trying to ban hunter safety courses for youngsters in their states. It’s insane.
No it cant. Especially in the presence of a predator
Something with them can mess up your compass, even electronic ones
@@huanquocmanh416 even so u can pick one direction and try to keep going one way
Bro you contacted the FBI and got a response?!?!?! You’re a certified LEGEND!!!!
I think it's great that you went to the actual area where Corey Fay spent his last days on earth. Given the fact that he'd had at least one other incident where he became lost, it seems to me that's what happened. I was in the Coastal Range of Oregon in April of this year (right after the snow storm of April 11) and I know how rugged the terrain there can be. It's what the military calls "cross-compartmentalized" meaning cut by rivers, mountains, ridges, etc. Add darkness and cold temperatures and you can very easily get disoriented and lost. It seems like such a sad way for a nice kid to die. Again, good on you for actually visiting the area, which is more than many UA-cam content creators would have done.
When I was 9 I got lost in a huge parking lot for about 30 minutes searching for my mom's car. It was so scary for me. And that's just a parking lot! I can't even imagine how kids would feel being lost in the woods. ☹️
Wonder Wheels We were lucky.
November 1985, at the age of 7, I got lost for 2 days and 1 night. A woman literally saved my life.
She was in her 20's back then, now in her 60's. From then, we created a bond with very deep roots.
Honey, it's okay, I was visiting a relative in a new town and was just going to walk the dog around the block, the block turned out convoluted and didn't turn up correctly due it being in circles. I was out there in 100 degree weather with a hot dog and me thinking well I could knock on somebody's door and beg but after an hour we finally found the right house. I have a good sense of direction but this was one weirdly built neighborhood. So don't feel bad.
When I was 13 I got lost in IKEA, thinking about it now makes me lmao but then even at that age it was scary and that was just a huge store 😸
@@imgrown13 LOL I got lost in a huge shopping mall last week.....the feeling of disorientation is really frightening.
Man you have one of the best channels on UA-cam, especially with the amount of effort and research you put into your videos. Thanks for another great upload!
Absolutely
Couldn’t have said it better
110% agree! :)
Yup ! Fantastic research thanks for your work 👍
I have watched every video on this channel and can say it is hands down the best missing person channel. I love the no nonsense, fact based original research that you do because its something no other channel can offer. The effort you put into these videos really shows and I honestly eagerly await every video you upload because they are always interesting and informative. I just wish you would upload more frequently.
I agree with what your explanation of the situation, as it seems like the most likely situation. But how rotten of that sheriff that he would cancel the search just to save a few bucks, as if a child's life isn't worth it.
Agreed, so glad I found this channel
Agree, I like how he debunks David paulides
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He doesn't "debunk paulides" LMAO
@@royfokerpoker1802 He definitely approaches cases in a more rational, evidence-based way than David Paulidas. I like Mr P but i DON'T like that he never says what HE thinks is tying missing persons cases together. This channel is head and shoulders above DP's channel for missing persons buffs. I'm a buff ! lol
@@royfokerpoker1802 your approach at debating a supported claim that you disagree with is to textually abbreviate laughter. That's one attempt at adulting.
Your artwork is absolutely phenomenal!! Thank you for your work and effort that goes into your videos!
Your dedication to research is impressive. I imagine one's willingness to expend the time and resources necessary to access primary sources and travel to the relevant locations, rather than simply relying on secondary internet sources like Wikipedia, other UA-cam videos, etc., is what separates those channels that stand-out from the countless others covering similar topics. You deserve the success you've achieved so far and much more.
With stories like these I can only imagine how disorientating and almost psychedelic it would feel to be lost in the woods all alone. I've had a taste of that fear, I can hardly imagine it multiplied especially in those woods, steep, luscious, so tall and so green...
I wouldn't call it psychedelic - more like grave anxiety and panic that doesn't go away with moments of terror and doom until either you get help, find your way out or it actually ends that way. Usually people face exhaustion first and simply cannot go on, which is what happened in this story I think and it didn't take very long for hypothermia to set in and get worse until it became the worst it was going to get and that was it.
please for the love of god learn what psychedelic means
@@sstritmatter2158 You've clearly never had a bad trip, friend. It's psychedelic in the worst possible way.
@@13donstalosA Bad trip or bad phases are often always part of a pschedelic trip. You have to imagine that the whole trip is like a life with all its ups and downs. But in the end most of the time one is quite satisfied and happy after enduring the entire experience.
To conclude, you must to be ready for it and many people like me arent always, so better to stay away from psychedelics.
The scariest thing in the woods are other people..
I had not really thought about this until last year when I was researching what bullets to use in my 10mm as a mountain defense weapon while bowhunting and such. I was thinking about large predators, mainly grizzly where I live. The owner of a well-known ammo company made the comment that your greatest threat is other humans at or near the trailheads and campgrounds and one should load their weapon accordingly. That has stuck with me ever since.
i think some people hunted him for fun.
@@jsEMCsquared I hope not. But those men shooting at hunters responding to his cries bothers me, a lot.
Nah, bears.
@@therealruckus5263 a bear can't shoot you in the woods. A man that does is the most dangerous thing you'll ever meet.
MAD RESPECT for not just talking about cases but ACTUALLY GOING ON SITE!
Thank you.
I was lost in the grand canyon. In a panic you don't always think about things you know you should do.
I think he was heading to high ground to try to get a better view of the area or chase the helicopter, trying to get in an area for them to have a better view of him.
Best missing person channel ever! The artwork is so eerie too!
I stopped watching Paulides thanks to you pointing out his terribly sloppy at best downright deceitful at worst reporting....You are the truth my friend....thank you
What a ridiculous statement by the Wasco county sheriff.
Sheriffs in the early 1990s like Art Labrousse were mostly blithering idiots. A combination of Andy Griffith and state bureaucrat. F that guy. Hope it haunted him the rest of his miserable, selfish life.
Here's what I think happened: Corey was following an elk trail. He followed it for several miles basically until he got to the spot where his remains were found. By the time he reached this area, it had gotten dark. He realized he had gone off the trail and started calling out for help. I think his ammo was no good and he couldn't shoot his gun as a signal. He remembered what his grandfather told him about staying in place once he realized he was lost. So he thought that since it was nighttime now, he'd sleep. He must've been exhausted to have traveled so far through the snow. But unfortunately he never woke up.
elks: 1
hunter guy: 0
But they found his gun far away from where his remains were found. So your hypothesis can’t be all correct.
Maybe he left his gun at the side of the tree to take a piss? Then in his hypothermic state, zipped up and forgot about the gun and kept walking?
Maybe where he died was where some animal attacked him?
His ammo was no good? All of it? He didn't notice? Experienced companions didn't notice?
I don't think that's right
@biaberg3448 Why would he continue to lug a gun through the snow with him if he realized it was useless?
Well done young man..your story telling was factual and thorough..keep up the excellent work!
un-effing-believable. A voice is heard crying for help and the search is suspended the next day?!
Seems like I’m most missing person wilderness cases the missing person is almost always found just outside the search area, searchers need to realize that
@Lorna, I think searchers do realize that. However, most lost people are found in the search area and saved. Hundreds of people are lost and found every year, we just don't hear about them. From a percentage of sucess perspective, it makes the most sense to use a search area and stay within it, at least initially.
Search teams are aware. 99% of lost people are normally found within 1-2 miles of where they were last seen.
It's hard to predict just how far a panicked lost person will go in a relatively small window of time. Whether it's a flatlander on a nature hike or an experienced outdoorsman, nobody really takes a second to calm down and make the right decision and usually they succumb to the urge to keep moving. Search and rescue teams are good at their jobs and do take travel into account, but they can't be faulted for not finding the occasional anomaly victim who pushes the physical boundaries of on foot travel. As somebody else said, we only hear about the people they don't find in time, and those make up a small percentage of the people they search for.
I grew up in that area. I lived on a lake not far from there. I always wondered what happened. My cousin was in search and rescue and looked for him. He said they didn’t agree with some of the sheriffs decisions. There were lots of locals that have horses who offered to help but we’re denied. I know this for a fact because I elk hunted with some of the guys who offered themselves and there horses. Badger canyon is big and roadless. I’ve hunted in little badger and Jordan crossing which is north of there. Had he went down he would of eventually hit Bonnie Crossing and he would have lived. There’s also a campground there.
Exactly. I elk hunt there. I park at Bonnie Crossing and walk the trail up. I have hunted Jordan Butte area where he went missing. If he walked the ridge it would have been impossible. If we walked the bottom maybe. Thing is if he walked the bottom the creek would have still been running??? We all know that place is a big drainage and if you get lost walk down hill and follow water. That country is getting too rough for me. I stay below the North/South road now. Second season and hope for snow. Little Badger is a nice hunt too.
Loving this channel. The fact that you travelled to the location and told us viewers about the many roads Cory must have crossed really adds a nice detail. As soon as you mention it, I felt a fresh perspective on how odd it is that this even happened. Great job!
these videos have more production value than what you see on cable TV.
Man, I love how straightforward and informative your content is. No gimmicks, no jokes, the adequate amount of respect someone who lost their life deserves. I admire the effort you put into this, man. I'll always tune in and hear what you've got for us!
I was thinking the same.. about the respect.
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No gimmicks, no jokes, respect, exactly.
Really sick and tired of these podcasters/youtubers who make it seem quirky and fun that someone was murdered or disappears.
Nick, you do such a terrific job of researching and carefully finding the facts in these cases. I appreciate your keen insights.
Thanks for going to the actual location, very interesting details
It’s always such a treat to get a new video from you. You’re the ONLY person I’ll listen to talk about unsolved mysteries. Love the way you don’t sensationalize anything, but still maintain the mystery, and are willing to look from every angle. Keep up the great work!!!
It seems Cory was aware he had a tendency to get lost. If I heard my kid mention that he got lost last trip before setting off into wilderness, I'd immediately ground him.
Btw, were any unfired bullets in his rifle or pockets?
He had over 20 unfired rounds in his pack
@@TheMissingEnigma something scared him into conversing those shots
My ex's best friend would go hunting with us in the 1980's and he was notorious for getting lost. We were careful and always tried to put him where he couldn't get lost. One time he was supposed to walk a straight level line next to the road, my husband farther in and my dad on the far side by the canyon. At the end of the hunt he didn't show so my dad fired 3 shots we waited and heard one shot way the hell and gone in the canyon. He also never carried extra ammo even tho we were adamant he should. Thank God my dad was a miracle tracker in the woods so he eventually brought him out of the canyon. Somehow he had crossed in front of my dad and husband and headed off a bluff and just kept walking down. Even though he knew his hunt was level and it was only a half hour hunt. He was headed into the uninhabited forest and would not have stopped without hearing my dads shots.
Some people don't have directional awareness and they should probably not be in the woods hunting.
@@LindysEpiphany is he on the spectrum? I worked with a guy with aspergers and he went up for tea one afternoon and never came back, just sat there for a cupla hours, hi'ing and bye'ing everyone else who came n went!😄the manager had to go talk to him and explain time/tea breaks and we had to keep an eye on h for ages before it sank in. Jist made me think of him when u said your pal would jist keep going and end up random places with no appt's nation of danger to shelf or those with him.
Thank you for visiting the area. This really helps bring the story to life. All the effort you put into these videos is greatly appreciated. And your commitment to telling an honest version without exploiting the subjects is commendable. I don't understand why you don't have more subs - very underrated channel in my opinion.
I love that you uncover all aspects of the case and do it with a clear interesting voice laden with smartness and questions left? Good guy!
What a well done video! 👏 I especially appretiated you addressing the Missing 411 questions, using the knowledge you were able to gather. Amazing that you went to the actual trail/area, too. Seems to me that his getting lost was pretty likely, tragic as it is.
Going towards calls for help and someone shoots at you and there's no evidence of foul play? I don't know, that seems awfully fishy to me. Nice job going to the location. Great video!
Exactly what I am thinking.
I didnt see where the tracker was "shot at"....listened to it twice, it said he heard calls for help, the tracker said "can you shoot" meaning could the person calling for help fire a couple shots in the air (makes it easier to locate them), and the person said "no".
nevermind, it was around 13:36 in....
@@markjackson3531 Alzheimer's? Dementia? Amnesia?
@@shrekjunior6144 didnt watch the whole video yet, thought he was talking about the earlier part where the tracker heard somebody calling for help and asked them "can you shoot?" but thanks for assuming i have a serious neurological disorder, i TRULY appreciate that.
I've been lost while out hunting. The first thing I did was walk a lot faster while in denial, thinking I would see something I would recognize at any moment. A person can cover a lot of ground when you are young healthy and scared.
Especially with night rolling in makes you nervous and scared to hurry and get the heck out of there will put you several miles away easily. Especially being 17yrs old
Yep. In the wrong direction.
I hunt wilderness areas and I never underestimate the consequences of getting lost this was a sad tragedy
I fall asleep to this guys channel every night with headphones in:) I click on the playlist all videos so it doesnt stop till i wake up. I click asap when a new one is uploaded!
Yeah I wish he had more videos but I know people live busy lives sometimes.
wild material to fall asleep to, but not judging
@@neartheplumtree I let my imagination take over lol it's very relaxing used to do it with forensic files & unsolved mysteries as well
I appreciate how unique it is that you go to a location where someone went missing. I really enjoy listening your narrations. Thank you for covering these sad cases and giving recognition to the people who go missing.
One of my buddies was elk hunting with a friend, they separated but had walkitalkies, his buddy was 1/2 mile away up on a ridge near there truck, my friend shot a nice bull elk and called his buddy who went to get the truck and bring it closer so they could pull up the quartered elk, he put his tag on his elk and a hunter came out of the bush and started saying nice elk, then he got on his radio to talk to his hunting party, soon 4 more guys showed up and the first guy cut the tag off and put his on, all the while the other guys pointed there rifles at him. My Friend couldn't do anything because he was out numbered and he had recently had a back injury, so the 5 guys quickly quartered the elk each guy carried a part and the leader the head, they then went off into the bush. About 20 minutes his buddy showed up an he told them what had happened, they went to the Sheriff, but was told this happens a couple of times a year, they knew who it was but it was the testimony of 5 to 1, and the leader was from Tacoma and the guys were his gang. Plus the leaders dad was the County elected leader of some sort. No wonder the early Native Americans called the Rainforest the Green Hell. You have to watch out for the two legged wolves. This was about 15 years ago.
Wow, that's totally fucked up
you are my all-time fave, The Missing Enigma!!! I have been absolutely positively hooked since i first checked out yer channel a few months back per the recommendation of the great Steve Stockton!!! i was *SOOO happy and excited to find a new upload from you today. I love yer straightforward approach and the way you investigate all possible and/or different angles besides the most "popular" or hyped-up one. And they are just so incredibly well researched and i love your voice, the music and the beautifully done illustrations. Please keep 'em coming!!!
Been missing you, Sir!~
Tyvmuch for uploading.
Have a nice day TME🎩🐺🥀
This was the best coverage of the missing I have ever watched and informative. Just found you. Thanks for being so thorough.
I appreciate the fact you actually went to the location of the disappearance. I'm sure that was not easy. It really gives a better idea of what that poor boy went through. A picture is worth a thousand words, but a video...
Much respect for the effort you put into making this video!
As soon as I saw the thumbnail it made my day. Keep up the great work!
Been watching a bunch of your videos! Just wanna say, your walk-through, details and analysis are just spot on! Thanks for making such quality content!
Really good coverage of the story. I also appreciate you actually visiting the location and providing the visual context. That adds a lot to it.
Buddy you are by far my favorite missing persons content creator to watch the depth and detail you go into is extraordinary. Then by going to the actual site of the disappearance is a cherry on top. Thank you for all the work you do covering these cases.
You have fast become one of my favorite channels to watch. You put a lot of effort into your videos and it makes my day everytime a new one pops up. Thank you!
Your addition of your own exploration of the Oregon area was a great idea. Doing so brought Corey's plight into a clear visual scope showing that the area where he likely perished is not difficult wilderness. Your conclusion is mine also. Thanks.
Everyone needs to watch these before going into the wild. It's disturbing how unbelievably easy it is to get lost and never return.
your videos are the best when it comes to factual research in this area. you're not chasing clicks, and i appreciate that about you.
please look one day the "Noah Donohe Disappearance"
the boy deserves it
one question: you keep saying "maybe he chased an elk to get there" well show me footprints of the elk in the snow that lead there
A bizarre case.
A year later ? Snow has melted lol.
@@mrsbluesky8415 I mean at the search
I think the search was called off to soon. And wth was up with those guys shooting at the hunters trying to help?
Could have been poachers.
Poachers come at you like that?! They should've shot back.
I was once on a round country trip from Florida with me and a few buddies of mine in 2020. At some point on the trip we went on a 6-9hour hike at Grand Teton mountain. I had some surgeries on my hip when I was younger so I was naturally a slower walker. For some stupid reason we decided to start the hike around 2pm in the afternoon. As we got closer and closer to the top of the mountain snow started to cover up the trail and we had to crawl up this mountain in the snow because we were very ill equipped to go on such a hike. When we started the descent it was starting to get dark and we couldn't locate the trail for a good while but we eventually did. We were all extremely exhausted and we were starving and it got harder and harder for me to keep up with the rest of the group and before I knew it I was left behind. At this point I was halfway down from the descent, my phone was dead and I could barely see the trail in front of me. I started to panic a little bit because I was all alone in the dark and I started having thoughts about all the missing persons cases I would learn about on channels like this and I thought this is exactly how shit like this happens. I started really getting spooked because we saw multiple bears on the way up the mountain. I kept my composure and just kept following the trail in front of me even though it was pitch black and I had no source of light but the moon in the night sky. This continued for maybe about an hour or so until I started seeing familiar landmarks that led me to the small parking lot in front of the trail and my friends were waiting for me in the van we rented for the trip. Looking back I thought I would have been very angry with my friends for leaving me behind but at the time I was just so thankful to make it back alive and we were all so exhausted we just went straight to the nearest town and scarfed down all the pizza we could. Videos like this make me feel so lucky I didn't become just another tragic story. Big lesson I learned is never go on a hike ill prepared in the middle of the day, always start the journey early in the morning. Oh and please don't leave your friends behind, that was a very terrible feeling.
Those people aren’t your real friends, especially if they knew about the bears. Fuck those guys man you deserve better than to have to deal with people like that.
I really appreciate that you are willing to look at the situation objectively. I think its one of the things that separates you from many others.
Thanks for the hard work and integrity.
Hey man welcome back I needed your fix!!! Thanks for the video hope you are doing cool
Seems like the poor kid, just got lost and panicked maybe. The random shooters encounter was a weird detail though. Thanks for making this, it was really interesting.
That’s the only thing I don’t understand too. Possible those searchers just came across some poachers, or some weird hermit types.
Thank you for covering this case. Heard about it once but very tragic.
Hi, thanks for your objective approch in these videos. For this case, I think this was a straight forward case of misadventure. He had been lost in the woods before and this was only his 5th hunting trip. I think he did take off after whatever he was hunting and got lost and succumbed to hypothermia. The fact that he wasn't that far from two roads makes me think he really had no sense of direction. Its VERY easy to get disoriented in the woods, especially a well established forest, things just look the same all around if you don't know what to look for, how to be observant and have basic sense of direction. Its not hard to fathom that people can easily get disoriented and then panic in short order. Panicking always makes you lose your wits. You can't think clearly enough to do the right thing after that.
While I am fascinated by the missing 411 cases, and part of me believes that there is "something out there", I don't think this is one of those cases.
Absolutely excellent video! Youve done it again!
I love how thorough and level-headed your approach is to these cases.
I love that you go to locations and do such good research on theses cases , the illustrations are amazing as well !
@The Missing Enigma,
Dude, your coverage and commitment to this (and other) case(s), is admirable.
Keep up the terrific work, and please keep yourself safe.
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Thank you for sharing. I feel he didn't have a chance being alone like that.
It's already incredible to me that he managed to walk that far upriver, poor guy chose the only route where there were no roads.
I freaken love this channel!!! I think I might have heard about this case, but never seen someone go into so much work and details to describe a story. You literally took us there and it does help you see things from a different perspective. It’s easy to sit on your couch and wonder how can someone get lost, but the wilderness is vast and it’s very unforgiving.
Just got done hiking Bull Run and listened to you the whole way! Your videos are perfect man. You always give lots of details and your own insight and speculations. Good stuff keep it up!
People always underestimate how far a person can walk especially if they are only focused on moving. They will be in a daze and can easily cover miles and miles without realizing it.
Another very good video. You impress me by doing your own research, unlike most ‘missing channels’ who seem to just repeat everything straight from the 411 books. You deserve many more subscribers. Congratulations.
In 2015 I brought myself in a situation, where I had to spent a night at high elevation without shelter. I misread the terrain on the map as easier to cover than it actually was. This one night alone drained my body strenght immensly. The next morning I had to climb a mountain side, 300 m in one steep climb, to be able to get into a ravine and travel down through difficult terrain, I normally wouldn't have to fight with. But the cold night, and morning, exhausted me so much, that I needed to rest five minutes after each ten to 50 m decent. I met a father with his two boys, camping in the mountains. They gave me chocolate, soup and tea and looked out for me. Nevertheless it took me 14 hours for a trip which is normally done in eight. No cell service in this area. So yes, you can know the general area you are in, even be on deserted trails, and even have a plan, but you still can die there by exhaustion, maybe fully aware that you are just a few hundred meters from a road. What I find strange in this case is, that they weren't able to keep in contact with the person, they were able to talk to in the canyon. That should have been manageable.
Man you really went all out on this one. Great job and it’s good so people can see the location. Keep up the great work.
Stellar video. I am impressed that you travel to location when investigating these cases. Great work!
I don't think we're accounting enough for Corey's age. He was a kid, he wasn't very experienced, and he was all by himself. That alone would be enough to overwhelm anyone, but a kid is even less likely to handle it well. And his earlier comment to his mom, about getting lost previously, got my attention. He may have been "joking" around, but to me it sounds like someone who has it on his mind, even if he's trying to put on a brave face.
The tragedy is that it didn't have to end in his death. Corey had some good gear, and he definitely had *some* wilderness skills. If he had just stopped when he realized he was lost, he probably would have been found that night. While I appreciate that panic can override logical judgement, to travel 10 miles in difficult conditions (including deep snow) strains my ability to comprehend. I read a great story about a guy who got lost in Minnesota's Great North Woods after sustaining a head injury during a summer trip. After literally running around in a concussion induced fog for a day, he was miles off track. Luckily he survived. My point is that this guy was running for a day in the summer and had a concussion, I can understand how he got miles and miles off course. But Corey had to be moving fairly slowly. And while hypothermia is a thing, he survived long enough that hypothermia clearly wasn't an immediate issue. Instead, it sounds like he just kept doubling down on bad decisions in his panicked state and compounded his troubles infinitely. Did he have a compass? Did he have a map? He should have had plenty of time to realize that he was only making matters worse by going in the direction he was going.
The point is, this kid should never have been allowed out in the woods without more supervision. He just wasn't ready.
It's been my theory for a long time that a lot of the stranger missing persons cases, and aspects of those cases which seem downright bizarre/unexplainable could actually be explained pretty easily by a head injury...could demystify those "weird" details folks find spooky oftentimes
Yes take ego and testosterone into account and most of these cases are fairly easily explained. I'm sure they were good people but maybe they just didn't want to admit they were in trouble and couldn't face the mocking and pee tacking they'd get for being lost.
It was a different time and place. Things are different now these days if you consider the circumstances
@@slideoff666 Agree, and most people have no concept of how dense and wild these wildnerness areas are. You can literally lose a person visually 10 feet away.
@@grantorino2009 the area that his backpack and clothes and stuff were found isn't that dense.
Great video!!!!
Ur coverage of this case, is awesome.
Far better, than other I've seen.
Thanks for taking the time to show the actual locations. It helps to put everything into perspective.
Keep up the great work
Excellent job as usual. You always have a level headed presentation and I really appreciate that. When many channels will have a slanted look at these cases to try to make them sound mysterious or as if there is some cover up or conspiracy , you stick to the facts and concentrate on the content. You are a good reporter and I wish you the best.
So someone heard someone yelling for help, while they are searching for a lost hunter and they decided to not respond to the voice yelling for help? Nice work.
My favourite channel never disappoints