Got to put both wheel on a gear drive to sync it at the right moment for a continuous push ! Kinda like a cam shaft in time with piston and the valve to keep it moving .
There is one adjustment that I'd love to see. Remove the magnet on the pedestal, and compare the spin time. That would at least give you a control to see whether the magnets are affecting the rotation. Also, you might try wrapping a string around the shaft connected to a weight through a pulley so you can give every configuration exactly the same amount of energy when you spin it up. If you come up with ANY configuration that is better than free spin with no fixed magnet you will have my attention!
One problem is the angle of the magnets on your wheel., they need to be more perpendicular to your stationary magnet. The second problem you have is that you need a “shield” on your stationary magnet ( like the ones they use on audio speakers) to dampen the field around the sides of the stationary magnet. This concept will work and yes you are on the verge of getting it right. Very honest and well made video. Thanks for sharing your experiment.
The positioning of the magnets on the spinning wheel will make a big difference as does your size and dimension of your magnetic propeller. Having that single force more focused would provide the same stream like influence of flowing water
Ie not parallel to the circular edge but rather angled to recieve the directed blow from the single opposing force which needs repositioned also. Might even look into an over tube wrap of magnetic blocking material to focus the magnetic wave.
You might try 2 or 3 large repelling magnets and offset them just enough so that when one wants to pull on the wheel the other one will start pushing then add a 3rd to go just about 1/8 behind where the other magnet begins to push. That way there is always one or 2 pushing and over taking the ones pulling.
Magnetic fields don't overlap so pressing them close just warps the field, but remains balanced. You'd need to narrow/warp/eliminate/short circuit/reroute a portion of the field attracting the magnets.
Your diagrams drawn on the disc were more likely to have success. Notice your magnet spots you marked with dark tape were angled keeping the opposing pole at the opposite end of each magnet away from your target zone of ideal magnetic propulsion. But when you mounted the magnets you put them all in line with the edge which unfortunately allows the opposite pole (magnetic field) to come in contact with your target zone, causing magnetic braking, robbing you of the propulsion you have between your bigger drive magnet and your smaller repeller magnets. Do you see what I mean.? Put them all at angles keeping the opposing force (attractive force) further in and away. Follow your own example of the dark tape marks on your disc.
INTERESTING. i WAS THINKING ABOUT PUTTING THE OPPOSING POLE IN LEAD POSITION, AND MULTIPLE FIXED MAGNETS POSSIBLE ON ANOTHER GEAR (MAYBE ONE THAT CANNOT SPIN AS QUICK)
And then he needs giron to isolate the field on one side of each magnet. And way more magnets on the outside with giron below each magnet.. so when they meet they have sudden push
I ALSO HAD THIS IDEA IN A BRAINSTORM BUT FIGURED THAT THE ATTRACTION WOULD CAUSE A PROBLEM VS THIS SPINNING FOR EVER WITH LITTLE ENERGY TO START OR A CONSTANT LOW VOLT DC TO IT. MAYBE THIS PAIRED WITH A RHODIN COIL AND 1--300 MLV. ANYWAY SOMETHING THAT WOULD SYMCRONIZE/STABALIZE THE MAGNETIC FIELDS ,AND PRODUCE MORE ENERGY THAN BEING INPUT.
Good honest approach - I've heard that some people have got only Magnets (no steel) to work - Howard Johnson's were only Magnet's but were various shapes and types - grades etc - Permanent Magnet Motors are both fascinating and frustrating - I've also read that when they oscillate and bounce around back and forth a bunch of times you are getting close it is like there is some 'force' trying to escape if we can just figure it out
the trick like someone said above is to remove the stationary magnet and have it just be there at the right time... it appears Troy Reed did this using springs that he called injection pistons in his magnet system... you could even use an electromagnet for the stationary magnet and only turn it on at the exact point to push the disc around then turn it off when it would block it from continuing around (cogging)... just make sure that your electro magnet uses less energy than the momentum of the disc... its rather simple if you understand the concept and this seems to be what Troy Reed did
Turn the system 90⁰ and use a circumferential magnetic bearing system as opposed to mechanical bearings. Use permanent magnets throughout the rig. If youre able to use a halbach arrangement while focusing on the negative charged pole for the rotor magnets, perhaps it may yield better results? Perhaps even using a small halbach array focusing on a negative charged pile for the propulsion magnet? (Edit) Also, perhaps instead of using a physical stabilizer as most magnetic bearing systems use, you could incorporate the same magnetically repulsive properties to keep the rotor stable within the magnetic bearing system.
That's a great experiment. Straight cylinders seem to be the hindrance. Curving the unwanted pole towards center and away from the perimeter looks like the answer.
Mu-metal would shield the magnetic interference between the magnets which should focus the magnetic field of the opposing magnets a bit better, also the perendev motor uses the same concept but has 3 rows of magnets and each row is a bit offset from the other to give it that push in the spaces where it wants to stop spinning
regular steel or iron shields magnetic field to some degree, the trick like someone said above is to remove the stationary magnet and have it just be there at the right time... it appears Troy Reed did this using springs that he called injection pistons in his magnet system... you could even use an electromagnet for the stationary magnet and only turn it on at the exact point to push the disc around then turn it off when it would block it from continuing around (cogging)... just make sure that your electro magnet uses less energy than the momentum of the disc... its rather simple if you understand the concept and this seems to be what Troy Reed did
I've fallen down this rabbit hole myself. I finally came the realization that a force is not energy. It seems so much like it, especially as it's a real thing despite us not being able to see it or feel it without holding a magnet or material that interacts with a magnet. The realization I finally came to was that energy is simply a change in state. Magnetic fields are constants, not changing, like Earth's gravity. When you spin the wheel, you introduce kinetic force into the equation. It may seem like when it takes off, that you aren't putting an equal force in, but you are forgetting the initial potential energy you put into the system when placing the wheel in position. With just one or a few magnets, it probably wasn't any, as you likely kept the magnets far from each other initially. So, you had to fight the magnet hard to position it at the point it would repel. When the wheel was full of magnets though, you couldn't keep the magnets separated, so it probably took a lot more work getting the wheel into position. That extra effort was building up quite a bit of potential energy into the system. What your really doing is making a low friction bearing, but there are opposing forces that still fight the turning. Plus, as no real energy is being added, eventually friction will deplete what was. You may improve things more if you alter the angle of the magnets so only the repelling pole is facing out. It will change the bumpiness of the fields. Still won't make it turn for forever, but may turn it longer.
I had the same idea 20 years ago, except instead of one external magnet, I made a circle of magnets around the wheel. I’m going to build it pretty soon and see the results
@Psi Starcraft it's fun to challange our brains and come up with new ways and try them out some will work some won't. Don't discourage them from trying.
I've been playing with a similar idea in my head for years but lack the materials to build it. If you turn the disc vertical and use only one magnet on the disc it would use gravity to pull it down and as it is pulled down with gravity it charges a capacitor that will discharge into a stationary magnet repelling the disc magnet when it reaches the apex of it's return arc.
Also, I have to remind myself of this quote every now and then: "Still, the inviolability of the laws of physics has not stopped the curious from ignoring them or trying to break them.".....and that's called "Science".
5:05 just turn on or off the the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲 AT THE RIGHT TIME 🤯... The magnet wheel 🛞 should produce just enough ⚡ electrical juice with the 90% spin and then turned on or off the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲... Or just simply INCREASE THE POWER of the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲 with an electric ⚡ jolt at the RIGHT TIME to push the magnet wheel 🛞 ... Then repeat 🔁
I've always thought that something like this would be useful in terms of energy generation. But seeing how the fields interact, It makes sense why its not a thing to me now
Change the Flat Wheel, to a Fan Blade, secure the Wheels Magnets to the Angle of the Fan Blade Tips, place the Stationary Magnet, above the Fan Blades, such that it always sees only N-N or S-S Repulsion. Try that out!
Well thought out, but this too will fail. Any open magnetic system that doesn't employ some type of shielding will always have a net force of zero. Think about when you bring like poles near each other. They repel when directly opposed to each other, but the slightest movement towards a side and they will attract. So as your positive magnet is passing by other positive poles you will get slight attraction - repulsion - slight attraction. The flaw in most magnet motor systems is using magnet on magnet drive systems. I am currently building a magnet motor that utilizes the attractive forces between permanent magnets and steel, and by doing so, eliminating the usual balance of forces and working only with attraction. I'll post a video once it's built.
@@haroldkline4898what about using a halbach array of magnets on the outer magnet pusher to make the north pole larger and the south pole minimal so it catches less? Or maybe sharper geometry angles like triangle orientated instead of a ring/circle? Just some thoughts ^^
One who knows nature and the universe geometry can unlock this kind of mechanical things that we seem hard to solve. By seeing this you are missing out on using gravity mechanism and the conical spiral mechanism. The gravitational push that made the magnets to rotate was indeed you but the loop that will make the gravitational push constantly rotating will be the conical spiral mechanism. Of course in gravity what goes up must eventually come down but when the conical spiral mechanism is added it will seem that what goes up keeps coming down, it repeats the process.
You need to use curved magnets from auto parts power window or wipers which has larger space are of north and south. Secondary have two of those external stands to push and pull at 120 degree's
I think the answer lies in the angle of attack. Rather than having the magnets on the disk facing only part way towards the other magnet. You should try gluing the magnets with the apposing side facing completely outward from the center of the disk so less of the attractive side is visible ! Try leaving the large stationary magnet at the same angle and then also try it facing directly at the disk.
Very nice video. You bring up a good point about the magnets helping to make it spin longer. To see if they have an effect, you can make a device that would start the spin, then count the rotations with and without the stationary magnet. It would be very interesting to know if the magnets actually effect the number of rotations. The starting device should be consistent. Again, very nice video
@@andreasschmitt2307 I've been playing with a similar toy here at home, the magnets make it spin more than it would otherwise then stop rather abruptly. Remove the external magnet and then spin and it loses momentum much quicker but it doesn't have that abrupt loss of momentum. There's something going on there, not sure what but my little toy will spin for roughly two minutes with an external magnet, I didn't actually time it without but it was a good deal less than two minutes, wasn't even close. Proximity to the magnet makes a huge difference and adding magnets to the spinning device did not help past a point. I figured that even just adding mass would aid in the spinning duration but it did not.
I think you've got the basic idea very well. It looks like adjusting the distance, magnet angle, size of magnets, etc. Will finish this idea very successfully. This is exactly the type of thinking & development needed when this Old System, based on the rebellion of Adam & Eve, is gone. It will be quite refreshing to be able to conceive and build all types of energy development for the future.
Though it will need energy to function, the amount it produces exceeds the amount it draws. The batteries it uses are only to start, accelerate and store energy. It will also need high voltage illumination and a cut off switch for overcharging. Then inverters can be added
Even though this demonstration validates the 1st law of thermodynamics, I think this just might be one of very few legit, semi-scientific attempts at harvesting "free" energy out of set of magnets. Thank you for showing us your attempt.
questa è l'ennesima dimostrazione che conferma quanto la stragrande maggioranza della gente non abbia bene in mente il concetto di energia e ne che cosa sia esattamente l'energia. Si continueranno purtroppo a vedere questi video che non dimostrano e che non possono dimostrare un cazzo, sa per quanto secoli ancora.
Hi ,you need fixed magnets all around not just the one fixed magnet and then each fixed magnet will push the magnet on the wheel when they come in the field of each other. That's the way motors work, not just one fixed magnet. Great video Walter from Walton Liverpool
Nicely made video. The task you are up against is mechanically analogous to trying to get a low-friction cart to coast more laps around a continuous circuit of track by putting various hills in parts of the track. But because local gravity is spatially simpler than the fields around a little magnet, not many people see the cart lapping a hilly loop of track as an interesting problem - it's easy to see that no arrangement of hills can power the cart or even reduce average drag per lap. The same principle is true for the magnet wheel. Permanent magnets don't recieve energy from anywhere, so they have none to pass on. For the same reason, no arrangement of permanent magnets can reduce net drag on the wheel (except for magnetic bearings of course).
The cart would work if you could have a switchable anti gravity device and the magnet wheel would work with a switchable anti magnetic device. Unfortunately neither is available without putting energy in.
Maybe you could add an escapement mechanism similar to the ones in a mechanical clock? The stationary magnet could pivot so it pushes one magnet, then doesn't "catch" the next magnet.
I made one that worked, I made the wheel similar to a car distributor with a cam and points. The outside magnets were spring loaded and fixed outside of the center wheel. As the repel came by the spring aloud it to pass, then come back up and pull.
That's a great thought. I also thought about maybe a counter weight to propel the wheel at the point that it wants to stop. Kind of like a flywheel concept. Just a thought 🤔
@@donpennington4655 what if you left everything the way you have it, only if you could make the single outer magnet on the stand so it moves in and out to push each magnet on the wheel, it pulls the magnet out of the way before it attracts then pushes. You would need something like a cam and a flywheel would help. You could put the single magnet in an aluminum cylinder and have it operate like a piston. I was working on something similar but with four pistons that would have like a circular firing order.
IMPORTANT: Try this out. I once had seen a paper that had information on how to build a FREE ENERGY/MOTOR GENERATOR. The motor/generator once started would keep running and you would get Free Over Unity Electrical Energy .The person had used Permanent Magnets and Electro Magnets with High Voltage Capacitors. With electro magnets and capacitors you can have a controlled magnetic field that stops the moment the capacitor is drained of its energy. With an all permanent magnet system you need to physically move one of the magnets away from the other or you get a clogging effect where motion of the rotor stops. By using electro magnets and capacitors or super capacitors you can have a controlled intermittent magnetic field. You can control the magnetic field with by an optical switch or better still with a solid state Hall Effect Sensor Switch. The electro magnet can be used as a generator to recharge the capacitor. You may need a diode to ensure the capacitors get the proper charging polarity. By switching a magnetic field on and off you can stop the clogging effect therefore the rotor can keep on turning and keep gaining momentum. I Reply
It seems to me that the stationary magnet should be geared to come closer to the moving magnets as they pass by (Moving away from the attracting pole of the moving magnet and moving closer to the opposing poles)
Was thinking the same. This could be achieved by putting gears with appropriate ratios on the axles spinning the magnets (the rotating disk and the stationary).
Try using the big magnet on a moving like a piston part to avoid the attraction and put a bigger distance between the small magnets and change their angle. See of that works
Rig the main sending magnet(left) on a gear system so it moves away and back towards the wheels at time where it is only present when opposing a passing magnet on the wheel. This is easier if you only have one magnet on the wheel. This way it misses a magnet when attracted and then realigns just as the opposing are of the magnet on the wheel passes by. Kind of like kicking off the ground while on a scooter. Make contact for a moment of thrust, then back away, then again at the precise moment best for thrust(opposing magnetic force).
Understanding why a magnet engine can’t work is easy. You need to use a force from your hands in order to get a magnet closer to an other one. When you release the magnet, the same force is released and can do something like turning a disc. Friction and other forces is taking energy and you will not have the same force to get a magnet closer to the other one for the next movement. At the end the movement will stop by itself. Using a magnet is like using a spring or gravity, you can’t create energy, you need to add it at the beginning of the process :-)
Nice Video, lets think about a next Spot. Maybe its possible to lift the Pushmagnet everytime when the new Magnet on the Rotaryplate enters the Magnetfield of the Pushmagnet to reduce the negativ Energy and when it passes a special point the Pushmagnet fall back in to the optimal position. or Place a Material between Pushmagnet and nearer comming Magnet which damps / neutralize the Magnetfield. *sorry for my bad English its a little bit rusty* ;)
for exampel1: to avoid frictionloss place magnets under the Spining wheel which between the Magnets to made a simple magnetic Crankshaft which lift the Pushmagnet just bevor the new Magnetfield take effekt with the pushmagnet magneticfield and can create a negativ Energy, then after the new magnet passes the Pushmagnet, the pushmagnet fall down to normal position and give the magnet new pushing Energy.
Try a steel ball enclosed in a rubber tube on the circumference of the disc. then tip the unit at a 45-degree angle. then adjust the stationary magnet until it barely acts upon it.
The magnets on the disk should have angled slots to move through. A quick pop at the closest stopping point for the rotated magnets would help pull the wheel by bumping, instead of relying on just the field. Plus, it goes without saying, put an opposite side arm magnet.
you need to use a paramagnetic modulator between the stationary magnet and the magnets on the disc. for instance aluminum sheet or bolts spaced slightly out of sync with the disc magnets to over-balance it etc, this prevents magnetic locking. another tip: use a slightly off-centred disc axis and use a strong spring attached to the stationary magnet, why? the magic is in over-balancing, your current setup is balanced, so wont work and this is where most citizen scientists trip up, so remember this golden rule = over-balancing. also having the disc flat/horizontal isnt taking advantage of gravity either!
Wow - I've thought about this for years. Glad someone tried it. I imagined that if the main magnet were able to spin and maybe had 2 magnets with different poles that could help
I’m thinking. On that disk, cut a thicker one. Add wood screws onto it and place the magnets onto it. That way they’ll align to the larger magnet and synchronize.
if you have a reed switches on the side of the disk and move slightly the main magnet with an electric actuator, you can do it even mechanically with some modifications, you could move the main magnet when there are the death points between magnets that slow down the wheel ... it should work
Obviously, we know about the 2nd law of thermodynamics, etc, but just to add additional passive interplay of forces, you could add a few, or several coils that get energized by moving through a magnetic field/s, and send its energy to another coil/s to repel/attract the magnet in the stator, or even add another stator further up the Z axis of the axle to interact with said coils. Since the universe, or multiverse (if you prefer) exists, and there is plenty of movement, existence itself seems to violate the 2nd law...which happens at the quantum level routinely.
The magnet on the left should be designed to have a on & off switch. As the spinning magnet wheel moves away from the standing magnet, turn the standing magnet off. The spinning magnet will not slow because the standing magnet is not pushing or pulling the spining magnet. Turn the standing magnet back on right before the spinning magnet is parallel to the standing magnet.
You should take this set up and expand on the outside. If you arranged more big magnets around the outside it could keep it going? Have an even amount of equally spaced magnets inside. Have an odd amount of big magnets not evenly spaced around the outside. There should be a magnet pulling at all times while another is trying to lock. And with it not equally distributed it can't find that central locking spot. If that doesn't work flip the inside to be odd and the outside to be even.
I HAVE SUCCEEDED AT THIS ONCE BEFORE, and I am willing to share it with the world, so long as no one is trying to steal the design(s) from me (I have two differnent ways to make one magnet propel another)! I made one magnet attract towards a steel plate then repel from another magnet with no initial momentum (moving 1,000th inch per second using watch and caliper so I can calculate exactly), and it DID attract past that center point (where they attract towards each other in my set up when lines up) to the point where they repelled away from each other on the other side! But then Government took my vehicle and cost me my job and everything, so now I have learned to stop that, though I am sleeping outside in a tent, I have succeeded at making police stop trying to tell me I cannot do that (this is the 2nd time, years ago for a couple nights this happened, 1st night they try to say I cant, after that they dont bother me!!!), as well as making them stop telling me I need a bike light, to go 'right way' in bike lanes, cross roads in crosswalks only, stop trying to make me pay bail and hold me in jail without the option, stop trying to make me pay fees or fines, or even give me 'civil tickets', got 7+ cases dismissed, and now working on 2nd federal lawsuit, just need to overcome this 'rooker-feldman doctrine', and it seems they cant dispute our main allegations so far! "Thats over 90% of what we do" according to more than one police I have shared these "LawDocs" with (I carry to show people, free on NRDL.org)! So, I was JUST about to build a motor, using a hard drive disk, but now I am considering building one more like yours with some skateboard bearings and hand drill I have maybe, using a hard plastic disk or wood maybe. I was going to use hot-glue to hold magnets and soft iron pieces in place, but I need to shape those metal pieces just right, which needs probably a CNC machine and the soft iron magnetic shielding material to start with. And something like an epoxy might hold the parts in place better! I figured out one method like that which I think will produce not much real torque or excess power even if it does work, and then I figured out another design using gears and ratios to make magnets interact in ways which I think will produce the maximum 'torque' and therefore mechanical and/or electrical power output, and a possible way to propel craft with spinning counter-rotating magnets (with no visible method of propulsion, built into the frame of craft in air, water, and space!). SO IF YOU WANT TO HELP ME BY BUILDING THESE DESIGNS OF MINE IN PUBLIC VIEW I WILL BE WILLING TO SHARE MY INVENTIONS WITH EVERYONE, SO LONG AS I RETAIN CREDIT FOR CREATING THEM! (Which I have been posting all over for many years to insure btw).
Remove the stationary magnet. Make a spring loaded pusher so that the input is repeatable. Then time the freewheeling spin. Bring back the stationary magnet, using the same spring loaded impulse see if it’s longer or shorter runtime.
We can turn off the left side bigger magnetic for some specific intervel at the point where the megnetic locking is happening. If you can try that would be great, with some mechanical lever attached with gears to the circular disk of magnets.
Nice video. Something I would like to try, is to place the magnets on the disc so that the opposing Force is pointed out and attracting force is pointed towards the center of the disc, creating a lesser magnetic field. I would like to build it, but you make the build look so easy and you have all the tools. I look forward to see if you will make this modification. It seems to me, either shielding the attractive Pole or lessening the magnetic field in relation to the opposing magnetic field will give it a more constant drive. Thank you.
There is no way to make permanent magnets drive something continuously. If our brains could visualize magnetic fields and accociated forces as easily as we can terrestrial gravity, this would be obvious to most people. 1) It would damatically violate laws of nature that have been tested and validated by countless people, countless times. 2) This specific idea has been tried countless ways and countless times by people who aren't willing to question their intuition and who have decided, conciously or not, to avoid actual physics.
@@mathiasmwingira6951 Are these people interested in showing their free energy devices to others? I'm always willing to look them up if you want to share details. I'm not afraid to be proven wrong. But if the natural laws are wrong, why don't we see people correcting them? Where is the analytical rigor? Where are the revised physics? I've never seen coherent analysis by anyone, genuine or deceptive, who claims free energy or over unity. I only see endless demonstrations of machines that deal with the same intuative pitfalls, over and over. It's very clear to me that these people have never understood what energy is or how it is quantified (at least the people who seem sincere).
I don't know a lot about magnets, but is there a kind of shielding you could put along side of the big magnet on the stand so it's field didn't extend sideways and slow down the wheel? So that the field does only extend forwards?
The thing to understand about magnetic fields is you can't cut off part of them. You can guide the field, spread it out, or concentrate it, but it will maintain the same characteristics. In the common visualization of "lines" used to understand the spatial field distribution, a particular line will always be a continuous loop through the magnet through the space around it. All you can do is guide the loop with various materials or other fields.
Cannot. The magnetic field must always be closed in order to show a seeming resistance as a "force". Ergo, this "force" only manifests if there is a closed magnetic field. If there was a mythical mono-polar magnet, it would be possible, even if it would not be clear what it closed with its magnetic field. Fortunately, monopolar magnet does not exist despite the wishes of fantasts. But there is an alternative - a static electric field that actually creates such monopoles against a grounded counterpart. It would be good to examine electrostatic motors. Many people have already verified the malfunction of the magnetic engines ála Perpetuum Mobile, both scientists and fools.
It seems that you need magnets shaped 90°. Have the opposing polarities pointing to the wheel center and the propelling end as you already have them so they get the boost.
What about using a piece underneath that spins the magnets on the disk that then spins them ever so slightly enough to make them repel and attract at the appropriate times. Or using an electro magnet that pulses right when the magnets pass it instead of constant energy of a permanent magnet?
I agree. I was thinking a cam gear that just redirects the pushing magnet’s force at the appropriate time in the cycle. Like ignition timing on a vehicle.
all you need to do is have a powerful magnet in a middle, like a sun then have around with different magnets starting with a low straight magnet up to 90% of the straight magnet that is in middle. at least 12 magnets need it. that way one magnet pushes another magnet and the middle magnet stabilizes all together. That way you will have a infinity rotation without interruption.
Cover the attracting pole either north or south however you choose in your setup with paper or something that doesn't work with attraction. It will rotate fine
Longer magnets, angled more and find a material that can isolate the inner end of your disc magnets to keep that force from reaching back and trying to brake action your momentum.
Try using just 3 magnets on the spinner and hold the push magnet in your hand and moving your wrist up and down to notice how little wrist movement it takes to generate very high rates of spin..then design your holder to imitate your wrist movement by having the spinners centrifugal force carry a small magnet to move the push magnet up and down. Also even if it is not perpetual doesnt mean it's not useful. Imagine a actual bicycle wheel with this setup. Very little leg muscle to yield faster and easier pedaling. EVERYTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE ...UNTIL SOMEONE BELIEVES IT'S NOT. Case in point the ignition research facility at Livermore California. Good luck
Надо всегда показывать удачный эксперимент, это ведь очень важно для всех людей. Тем более есть у многих авторов каналов разные работы с положительными результатами.
Energy can't come for free . Remember you've got the cost of the magnets and the cost of other bits. Plus the Energy used with the battery drill to make the disc .it all adds up to a loss
Put a separator in there Basically make some thing that will move the one magnet away from the others that are on the disk as they come around when they hit the pivotal point
You can try using less magnets. It already spins 3/4 of a turn so wheel on the left can have a few more magnets then a space and a net set of magnets pops in and leaves
Not sure why it would make turbines more efficient? The best he was able to achieve was essentially a neutral balance between the magnets such that the wheel spun as if the metals were not magnetized at all.
Have you try it with a second or a 4th magnet? At the point where it stops make on the oposite side a magnet what push it forward. or as i sayed even a 3rd and 4th...also you could use a material beside the magnet what blocks the magnet field. If you try that please send me a link i would like to know.
There's a thing called magnetic cogging on display here,it slows down the machine because you can't get rid of the interference from the opposite pole,but I'm sure you all know that,there is an arrangement called the "halbach array" Wich almost cancells out the opposite pole but in turn adds loads of weight,so my question is has any body ever made one with halbach magnets...?
If the horseshoe magnet is positioned correctly, it does not affect the other magnetic pole, if it does, it can be deflected with an iron plate.... Half-skin arc magnet Etc
Have you thought of using a longer cylindrical magnet so that the poles are further apart and using some magnetic shielding so that the field doesn't catch the magnet the moment it passes the stationary magnet?
It would make no difference with longer magnets, if he took the stater magnet away completely it would spin a lot longer, magnetic shielding well do absolutely nothing. The force required to repell the magnets is the same as their attracting forces therefore there is zero gain magnetic shielding or not, magnets do not behave like rockets so angling them doesn't do nothing.
Im thinking maybe place the outside magnet say 20 degrees and your inside magnets so they oppose in line, decreasing the effect of the attracing end of the inside magnets by distance. Just a thought
There is fiew more steps for you to take- firstly if you compare it to betrol engine then you play with only one piston. Add more pistons. Plus you also need inlet manifold(to overcome that "friction") as if try permanent magnet switch to time on and off. Otto motor is perfectly timed machine. If you take magnet force as betrol then you need inlet. If you can turn off the pushing magnet just at the right time, there is no canceling force. And it should be relatively low energy waste to automate that magnetic switch.
Dont use any attracting from the magnets. Only use the magnets to repel. Any magnets that attract to each other will cause it to stop and freeze.angle them so that they will not be able to face each other until its already going to pass it. like on a fan blade that when its going to passby or over it wil be going to fast to do anything but keep going
You have to use magentic shielding to counter act the attracting force. Steal or Iron is good but you need to put plastic or cardboard between the magnet and the metal. You can even put several layers but thats not really needed. Try it. After all this is all about experemintation.
Excellent exhibit and explanation sir. What's great is that we can now build on what you did. You have some great ideas with the big magnet arm beung adjustable. Ding ding so It'd be great for the arm undernearth the disc to also be adjustable and also the main magnet arm make adjustable in left to right. Even each small magnet some how make adjustable in all directions. This way from every combonation something should get some continuous spin. Maybe even add another magnet at the other side if positioned well. My thoughts. Great job buddy. 💙✨
that big magnet you had in your hand, did you try to lock one on top and one on the bottom so that will create a magnetic cushin to kind of support the spinning disk? but bring them so close so they feel like pushing into each other
The magnets on the wheel ought to be placed more with the opposite pol directed against the wheel center (but not completely of course) and perhaps with a little longer magnets..!? So the opposite pols is more far away from the solid magnet.
Got to put both wheel on a gear drive to sync it at the right moment for a continuous push ! Kinda like a cam shaft in time with piston and the valve to keep it moving .
There is one adjustment that I'd love to see. Remove the magnet on the pedestal, and compare the spin time. That would at least give you a control to see whether the magnets are affecting the rotation. Also, you might try wrapping a string around the shaft connected to a weight through a pulley so you can give every configuration exactly the same amount of energy when you spin it up. If you come up with ANY configuration that is better than free spin with no fixed magnet you will have my attention!
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One problem is the angle of the magnets on your wheel., they need to be more perpendicular to your stationary magnet. The second problem you have is that you need a “shield” on your stationary magnet ( like the ones they use on audio speakers) to dampen the field around the sides of the stationary magnet. This concept will work and yes you are on the verge of getting it right. Very honest and well made video. Thanks for sharing your experiment.
Sir have you done what you say?
Yup, “if you can block (or shield) a magnetic field, you can make a permanent magnet motor.”
This is cool. I got mine to spin for 9 minutes and 10 sec without a bearing using a vertical setup and levitation. I was unaware of the challenge.
😂😂😂 También se puede hacer por mas tiempo y superior a 9 minutos y sin imanes ,una simple peonza en casi levitación y un fuerte giro de manos 💁
The positioning of the magnets on the spinning wheel will make a big difference as does your size and dimension of your magnetic propeller. Having that single force more focused would provide the same stream like influence of flowing water
Ie not parallel to the circular edge but rather angled to recieve the directed blow from the single opposing force which needs repositioned also.
Might even look into an over tube wrap of magnetic blocking material to focus the magnetic wave.
Excelente ganhou mais um inscrito pela honestidade
You might try 2 or 3 large repelling magnets and offset them just enough so that when one wants to pull on the wheel the other one will start pushing then add a 3rd to go just about 1/8 behind where the other magnet begins to push. That way there is always one or 2 pushing and over taking the ones pulling.
they did that what was needed was a bridge in the gap! All we had to do was slow down,
No.
Magnetic fields don't overlap so pressing them close just warps the field, but remains balanced.
You'd need to narrow/warp/eliminate/short circuit/reroute a portion of the field attracting the magnets.
It's called cogging and the laws of thermal dynamics. Probably the first honest video I've seen on this topic
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Your diagrams drawn on the disc were more likely to have success. Notice your magnet spots you marked with dark tape were angled keeping the opposing pole at the opposite end of each magnet away from your target zone of ideal magnetic propulsion. But when you mounted the magnets you put them all in line with the edge which unfortunately allows the opposite pole (magnetic field) to come in contact with your target zone, causing magnetic braking, robbing you of the propulsion you have between your bigger drive magnet and your smaller repeller magnets. Do you see what I mean.? Put them all at angles keeping the opposing force (attractive force) further in and away. Follow your own example of the dark tape marks on your disc.
INTERESTING. i WAS THINKING ABOUT PUTTING THE OPPOSING POLE IN LEAD POSITION, AND MULTIPLE FIXED MAGNETS POSSIBLE ON ANOTHER GEAR (MAYBE ONE THAT CANNOT SPIN AS QUICK)
And then he needs giron to isolate the field on one side of each magnet. And way more magnets on the outside with giron below each magnet.. so when they meet they have sudden push
I ALSO HAD THIS IDEA IN A BRAINSTORM BUT FIGURED THAT THE ATTRACTION WOULD CAUSE A PROBLEM VS THIS SPINNING FOR EVER WITH LITTLE ENERGY TO START OR A CONSTANT LOW VOLT DC TO IT. MAYBE THIS PAIRED WITH A RHODIN COIL AND 1--300 MLV. ANYWAY SOMETHING THAT WOULD SYMCRONIZE/STABALIZE THE MAGNETIC FIELDS ,AND PRODUCE MORE ENERGY THAN BEING INPUT.
Good honest approach - I've heard that some people have got only Magnets (no steel) to work - Howard Johnson's were only Magnet's but were various shapes and types - grades etc - Permanent Magnet Motors are both fascinating and frustrating - I've also read that when they oscillate and bounce around back and forth a bunch of times you are getting close it is like there is some 'force' trying to escape if we can just figure it out
the trick like someone said above is to remove the stationary magnet and have it just be there at the right time... it appears Troy Reed did this using springs that he called injection pistons in his magnet system... you could even use an electromagnet for the stationary magnet and only turn it on at the exact point to push the disc around then turn it off when it would block it from continuing around (cogging)... just make sure that your electro magnet uses less energy than the momentum of the disc... its rather simple if you understand the concept and this seems to be what Troy Reed did
I would try to put some type of insulation on the back side of the magnet spinning on the disc because that's where it seems to be attracting
Then do it.
Hard disks have insulating metals. I have a bunch of them. If you sandwich that metal between 2 neodymium magnets, there is no attraction
Turn the system 90⁰ and use a circumferential magnetic bearing system as opposed to mechanical bearings. Use permanent magnets throughout the rig.
If youre able to use a halbach arrangement while focusing on the negative charged pole for the rotor magnets, perhaps it may yield better results? Perhaps even using a small halbach array focusing on a negative charged pile for the propulsion magnet?
(Edit) Also, perhaps instead of using a physical stabilizer as most magnetic bearing systems use, you could incorporate the same magnetically repulsive properties to keep the rotor stable within the magnetic bearing system.
Make one so we can see 👍
That's a great experiment. Straight cylinders seem to be the hindrance. Curving the unwanted pole towards center and away from the perimeter looks like the answer.
Mu-metal would shield the magnetic interference between the magnets
which should focus the magnetic field of the opposing magnets a bit better, also the perendev motor uses the same concept but has 3 rows of magnets and each row is a bit offset from the other to give it that push in the spaces where it wants to stop spinning
regular steel or iron shields magnetic field to some degree, the trick like someone said above is to remove the stationary magnet and have it just be there at the right time... it appears Troy Reed did this using springs that he called injection pistons in his magnet system... you could even use an electromagnet for the stationary magnet and only turn it on at the exact point to push the disc around then turn it off when it would block it from continuing around (cogging)... just make sure that your electro magnet uses less energy than the momentum of the disc... its rather simple if you understand the concept and this seems to be what Troy Reed did
I've fallen down this rabbit hole myself. I finally came the realization that a force is not energy. It seems so much like it, especially as it's a real thing despite us not being able to see it or feel it without holding a magnet or material that interacts with a magnet.
The realization I finally came to was that energy is simply a change in state. Magnetic fields are constants, not changing, like Earth's gravity.
When you spin the wheel, you introduce kinetic force into the equation. It may seem like when it takes off, that you aren't putting an equal force in, but you are forgetting the initial potential energy you put into the system when placing the wheel in position. With just one or a few magnets, it probably wasn't any, as you likely kept the magnets far from each other initially. So, you had to fight the magnet hard to position it at the point it would repel. When the wheel was full of magnets though, you couldn't keep the magnets separated, so it probably took a lot more work getting the wheel into position. That extra effort was building up quite a bit of potential energy into the system.
What your really doing is making a low friction bearing, but there are opposing forces that still fight the turning. Plus, as no real energy is being added, eventually friction will deplete what was.
You may improve things more if you alter the angle of the magnets so only the repelling pole is facing out. It will change the bumpiness of the fields. Still won't make it turn for forever, but may turn it longer.
I had the same idea 20 years ago, except instead of one external magnet, I made a circle of magnets around the wheel. I’m going to build it pretty soon and see the results
The problem is without using electricity it will always stop at some point
I can tell you the results, it won't work.
@@chrisadmaley Lmfao
@@woozy7405 people are so dumb about magnets they have no idea how they work lol
@Psi Starcraft it's fun to challange our brains and come up with new ways and try them out some will work some won't. Don't discourage them from trying.
I've been playing with a similar idea in my head for years but lack the materials to build it. If you turn the disc vertical and use only one magnet on the disc it would use gravity to pull it down and as it is pulled down with gravity it charges a capacitor that will discharge into a stationary magnet repelling the disc magnet when it reaches the apex of it's return arc.
Also, I have to remind myself of this quote every now and then: "Still, the inviolability of the laws of physics has not stopped the curious from ignoring them or trying to break them.".....and that's called "Science".
Hi, thanks very much for the comments and thanks for the great quotation!
I too, love to 'tinker' with ideas and put things to the test!
5:05 just turn on or off the the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲 AT THE RIGHT TIME 🤯... The magnet wheel 🛞 should produce just enough ⚡ electrical juice with the 90% spin and then turned on or off the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲... Or just simply INCREASE THE POWER of the STATIONARY MAGNET 🧲 with an electric ⚡ jolt at the RIGHT TIME to push the magnet wheel 🛞 ... Then repeat 🔁
You should be Able to unlock 🔓 more energy than put in because of kinetic energy latent in magnet's
I've always thought that something like this would be useful in terms of energy generation. But seeing how the fields interact, It makes sense why its not a thing to me now
Insulate is the key
Change the Flat Wheel, to a Fan Blade, secure the Wheels Magnets to the Angle of the Fan Blade Tips, place the Stationary Magnet, above the Fan Blades, such that it always sees only N-N or S-S Repulsion. Try that out!
Well thought out, but this too will fail. Any open magnetic system that doesn't employ some type of shielding will always have a net force of zero. Think about when you bring like poles near each other. They repel when directly opposed to each other, but the slightest movement towards a side and they will attract. So as your positive magnet is passing by other positive poles you will get slight attraction - repulsion - slight attraction. The flaw in most magnet motor systems is using magnet on magnet drive systems. I am currently building a magnet motor that utilizes the attractive forces between permanent magnets and steel, and by doing so, eliminating the usual balance of forces and working only with attraction. I'll post a video once it's built.
@@haroldkline4898what about using a halbach array of magnets on the outer magnet pusher to make the north pole larger and the south pole minimal so it catches less? Or maybe sharper geometry angles like triangle orientated instead of a ring/circle? Just some thoughts ^^
He put his magnets on the disk the wrong way.. but I think he was just protecting his life .
Yep
You could make it so the driving magnet moves back out of position then swings itself back as the driven magnet comes into position
One who knows nature and the universe geometry can unlock this kind of mechanical things that we seem hard to solve. By seeing this you are missing out on using gravity mechanism and the conical spiral mechanism. The gravitational push that made the magnets to rotate was indeed you but the loop that will make the gravitational push constantly rotating will be the conical spiral mechanism. Of course in gravity what goes up must eventually come down but when the conical spiral mechanism is added it will seem that what goes up keeps coming down, it repeats the process.
You need to use curved magnets from auto parts power window or wipers which has larger space are of north and south. Secondary have two of those external stands to push and pull at 120 degree's
I think the answer lies in the angle of attack. Rather than having the magnets on the disk facing only part way towards the other magnet. You should try gluing the magnets with the apposing side facing completely outward from the center of the disk so less of the attractive side is visible ! Try leaving the large stationary magnet at the same angle and then also try it facing directly at the disk.
Doesn't work magnets don't behave like rockets and angling them does nothing.
Very nice video. You bring up a good point about the magnets helping to make it spin longer. To see if they have an effect, you can make a device that would start the spin, then count the rotations with and without the stationary magnet. It would be very interesting to know if the magnets actually effect the number of rotations. The starting device should be consistent. Again, very nice video
Sure the magnets are affecting the number of rotations. Without the big one this contraption will spin much longer.
@@andreasschmitt2307 dead right.
@@andreasschmitt2307 I've been playing with a similar toy here at home, the magnets make it spin more than it would otherwise then stop rather abruptly.
Remove the external magnet and then spin and it loses momentum much quicker but it doesn't have that abrupt loss of momentum.
There's something going on there, not sure what but my little toy will spin for roughly two minutes with an external magnet, I didn't actually time it without but it was a good deal less than two minutes, wasn't even close.
Proximity to the magnet makes a huge difference and adding magnets to the spinning device did not help past a point. I figured that even just adding mass would aid in the spinning duration but it did not.
When it comes to perpetual motion, I was very stuck on magnets and had the same concept as you stuck on magnet no pun intended😂😂😂 great job
Nice build. What if you add a belt between the wheel and the fixed magnet bolt and make it rotate so it gives it a push
I think you've got the basic idea very well. It looks like adjusting the distance, magnet angle, size of magnets, etc. Will finish this idea very successfully. This is exactly the type of thinking & development needed when this Old System, based on the rebellion of Adam & Eve, is gone. It will be quite refreshing to be able to conceive and build all types of energy development for the future.
Everything in the universe needs a bridge or Gap,or Holes, so there easy to fill up.
Spacer's takes off the Edges, Gears !No more Drop off.
It could be done with a system of cam shaft like in engines with pistons, to modify the position of magnets.
Though it will need energy to function, the amount it produces exceeds the amount it draws. The batteries it uses are only to start, accelerate and store energy. It will also need high voltage illumination and a cut off switch for overcharging. Then inverters can be added
Even though this demonstration validates the 1st law of thermodynamics, I think this just might be one of very few legit, semi-scientific attempts at harvesting "free" energy out of set of magnets. Thank you for showing us your attempt.
questa è l'ennesima dimostrazione che conferma quanto la stragrande maggioranza della gente non abbia bene in mente il concetto di energia e ne che cosa sia esattamente l'energia. Si continueranno purtroppo a vedere questi video che non dimostrano e che non possono dimostrare un cazzo, sa per quanto secoli ancora.
Do you believe it possible for magnets to produce energy? Are you sure you arent mistaking force for energy?
Hi ,you need fixed magnets all around not just the one fixed magnet and then each fixed magnet will push the magnet on the wheel when they come in the field of each other. That's the way motors work, not just one fixed magnet. Great video Walter from Walton Liverpool
Nicely made video. The task you are up against is mechanically analogous to trying to get a low-friction cart to coast more laps around a continuous circuit of track by putting various hills in parts of the track. But because local gravity is spatially simpler than the fields around a little magnet, not many people see the cart lapping a hilly loop of track as an interesting problem - it's easy to see that no arrangement of hills can power the cart or even reduce average drag per lap. The same principle is true for the magnet wheel.
Permanent magnets don't recieve energy from anywhere, so they have none to pass on. For the same reason, no arrangement of permanent magnets can reduce net drag on the wheel (except for magnetic bearings of course).
Thanks for the superb input!
@@petesshed8422 I don't know about superb, but I'm very glad it made some sense!
The cart would work if you could have a switchable anti gravity device and the magnet wheel would work with a switchable anti magnetic device. Unfortunately neither is available without putting energy in.
@@peterstephenson4935 Exactly.
@drienkm great explanation, taught me how permanent magnets work without any effort on my part!
Maybe you could add an escapement mechanism similar to the ones in a mechanical clock? The stationary magnet could pivot so it pushes one magnet, then doesn't "catch" the next magnet.
I made one that worked, I made the wheel similar to a car distributor with a cam and points. The outside magnets were spring loaded and fixed outside of the center wheel. As the repel came by the spring aloud it to pass, then come back up and pull.
That's a great thought. I also thought about maybe a counter weight to propel the wheel at the point that it wants to stop. Kind of like a flywheel concept. Just a thought 🤔
@@donpennington4655 what if you left everything the way you have it, only if you could make the single outer magnet on the stand so it moves in and out to push each magnet on the wheel, it pulls the magnet out of the way before it attracts then pushes. You would need something like a cam and a flywheel would help. You could put the single magnet in an aluminum cylinder and have it operate like a piston. I was working on something similar but with four pistons that would have like a circular firing order.
@@flynnstone3580 great idea 👍
Perhaps a master magnet with a spring arm that changes its direction and returns to its start position that's synchronised to attract the next magnet.
Alternate magnets positive negative. It will remove the cog effect. As one is pulled another is pushing.
IMPORTANT: Try this out. I once had seen a paper that had information on how to build a FREE ENERGY/MOTOR GENERATOR. The motor/generator once started would keep running and you would get Free Over Unity Electrical Energy .The person had used Permanent Magnets and Electro Magnets with High Voltage Capacitors. With electro magnets and capacitors you can have a controlled magnetic field that stops the moment the capacitor is drained of its energy. With an all permanent magnet system you need to physically move one of the magnets away from the other or you get a clogging effect where motion of the rotor stops. By using electro magnets and capacitors or super capacitors you can have a controlled intermittent magnetic field. You can control the magnetic field with by an optical switch or better still with a solid state Hall Effect Sensor Switch. The electro magnet can be used as a generator to recharge the capacitor. You may need a diode to ensure the capacitors get the proper charging polarity. By switching a magnetic field on and off you can stop the clogging effect therefore the rotor can keep on turning and keep gaining momentum. I
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It seems to me that the stationary magnet should be geared to come closer to the moving magnets as they pass by (Moving away from the attracting pole of the moving magnet and moving closer to the opposing poles)
Was thinking the same. This could be achieved by putting gears with appropriate ratios on the axles spinning the magnets (the rotating disk and the stationary).
Just like the magnetic coupling of the motor and pump, which repells and attract can create a magnetic field for continuous rotating motion detection.
Try using the big magnet on a moving like a piston part to avoid the attraction and put a bigger distance between the small magnets and change their angle. See of that works
Rig the main sending magnet(left) on a gear system so it moves away and back towards the wheels at time where it is only present when opposing a passing magnet on the wheel. This is easier if you only have one magnet on the wheel. This way it misses a magnet when attracted and then realigns just as the opposing are of the magnet on the wheel passes by. Kind of like kicking off the ground while on a scooter. Make contact for a moment of thrust, then back away, then again at the precise moment best for thrust(opposing magnetic force).
Understanding why a magnet engine can’t work is easy. You need to use a force from your hands in order to get a magnet closer to an other one. When you release the magnet, the same force is released and can do something like turning a disc. Friction and other forces is taking energy and you will not have the same force to get a magnet closer to the other one for the next movement. At the end the movement will stop by itself. Using a magnet is like using a spring or gravity, you can’t create energy, you need to add it at the beginning of the process :-)
Yes that's why you need a bismuth jacket around the magnets
The bismuth acts as a magnetic shield?
Bismuth is useless
Nice Video, lets think about a next Spot. Maybe its possible to lift the Pushmagnet everytime when the new Magnet on the Rotaryplate enters the Magnetfield of the Pushmagnet to reduce the negativ Energy and when it passes a special point the Pushmagnet fall back in to the optimal position. or Place a Material between Pushmagnet and nearer comming Magnet which damps / neutralize the Magnetfield. *sorry for my bad English its a little bit rusty* ;)
for exampel1: to avoid frictionloss place magnets under the Spining wheel which between the Magnets to made a simple magnetic Crankshaft which lift the Pushmagnet just bevor the new Magnetfield take effekt with the pushmagnet magneticfield and can create a negativ Energy, then after the new magnet passes the Pushmagnet, the pushmagnet fall down to normal position and give the magnet new pushing Energy.
Try a steel ball enclosed in a rubber tube on the circumference of the disc. then tip the unit at a 45-degree angle. then adjust the stationary magnet until it barely acts upon it.
The magnets on the disk should have angled slots to move through. A quick pop at the closest stopping point for the rotated magnets would help pull the wheel by bumping, instead of relying on just the field. Plus, it goes without saying, put an opposite side arm magnet.
you need to use a paramagnetic modulator between the stationary magnet and the magnets on the disc. for instance aluminum sheet or bolts spaced slightly out of sync with the disc magnets to over-balance it etc, this prevents magnetic locking. another tip: use a slightly off-centred disc axis and use a strong spring attached to the stationary magnet, why? the magic is in over-balancing, your current setup is balanced, so wont work and this is where most citizen scientists trip up, so remember this golden rule = over-balancing. also having the disc flat/horizontal isnt taking advantage of gravity either!
Wow - I've thought about this for years. Glad someone tried it. I imagined that if the main magnet were able to spin and maybe had 2 magnets with different poles that could help
You can imagine all you want lol, no matter what you do nothing will help.
@@chrisadmaleyhi
I’m thinking. On that disk, cut a thicker one. Add wood screws onto it and place the magnets onto it. That way they’ll align to the larger magnet and synchronize.
if you have a reed switches on the side of the disk and move slightly the main magnet with an electric actuator, you can do it even mechanically with some modifications, you could move the main magnet when there are the death points between magnets that slow down the wheel ... it should work
Yes, it would become an unconventional electric motor with output power somewhat less than the average power consumed by the electric actuator.
@@drienkm not if you do it mechanically as I did
Obviously, we know about the 2nd law of thermodynamics, etc, but just to add additional passive interplay of forces, you could add a few, or several coils that get energized by moving through a magnetic field/s, and send its energy to another coil/s to repel/attract the magnet in the stator, or even add another stator further up the Z axis of the axle to interact with said coils.
Since the universe, or multiverse (if you prefer) exists, and there is plenty of movement, existence itself seems to violate the 2nd law...which happens at the quantum level routinely.
The magnet on the left should be designed to have a on & off switch. As the spinning magnet wheel moves away from the standing magnet, turn the standing magnet off. The spinning magnet will not slow because the standing magnet is not pushing or pulling the spining magnet. Turn the standing magnet back on right before the spinning magnet is parallel to the standing magnet.
Bingo. And you would have a motor (and you would need an energy source)
The energy required to toggle that magnet on and off electrically or mechanicaly is more than what it can generate,
You should take this set up and expand on the outside. If you arranged more big magnets around the outside it could keep it going? Have an even amount of equally spaced magnets inside. Have an odd amount of big magnets not evenly spaced around the outside. There should be a magnet pulling at all times while another is trying to lock. And with it not equally distributed it can't find that central locking spot. If that doesn't work flip the inside to be odd and the outside to be even.
I HAVE SUCCEEDED AT THIS ONCE BEFORE, and I am willing to share it with the world, so long as no one is trying to steal the design(s) from me (I have two differnent ways to make one magnet propel another)! I made one magnet attract towards a steel plate then repel from another magnet with no initial momentum (moving 1,000th inch per second using watch and caliper so I can calculate exactly), and it DID attract past that center point (where they attract towards each other in my set up when lines up) to the point where they repelled away from each other on the other side! But then Government took my vehicle and cost me my job and everything, so now I have learned to stop that, though I am sleeping outside in a tent, I have succeeded at making police stop trying to tell me I cannot do that (this is the 2nd time, years ago for a couple nights this happened, 1st night they try to say I cant, after that they dont bother me!!!), as well as making them stop telling me I need a bike light, to go 'right way' in bike lanes, cross roads in crosswalks only, stop trying to make me pay bail and hold me in jail without the option, stop trying to make me pay fees or fines, or even give me 'civil tickets', got 7+ cases dismissed, and now working on 2nd federal lawsuit, just need to overcome this 'rooker-feldman doctrine', and it seems they cant dispute our main allegations so far! "Thats over 90% of what we do" according to more than one police I have shared these "LawDocs" with (I carry to show people, free on NRDL.org)!
So, I was JUST about to build a motor, using a hard drive disk, but now I am considering building one more like yours with some skateboard bearings and hand drill I have maybe, using a hard plastic disk or wood maybe. I was going to use hot-glue to hold magnets and soft iron pieces in place, but I need to shape those metal pieces just right, which needs probably a CNC machine and the soft iron magnetic shielding material to start with. And something like an epoxy might hold the parts in place better!
I figured out one method like that which I think will produce not much real torque or excess power even if it does work, and then I figured out another design using gears and ratios to make magnets interact in ways which I think will produce the maximum 'torque' and therefore mechanical and/or electrical power output, and a possible way to propel craft with spinning counter-rotating magnets (with no visible method of propulsion, built into the frame of craft in air, water, and space!).
SO IF YOU WANT TO HELP ME BY BUILDING THESE DESIGNS OF MINE IN PUBLIC VIEW I WILL BE WILLING TO SHARE MY INVENTIONS WITH EVERYONE, SO LONG AS I RETAIN CREDIT FOR CREATING THEM! (Which I have been posting all over for many years to insure btw).
Remove the stationary magnet. Make a spring loaded pusher so that the input is repeatable. Then time the freewheeling spin.
Bring back the stationary magnet, using the same spring loaded impulse see if it’s longer or shorter runtime.
It's impossible for Nikola Tesla too but his fans John, Lucas, Marcus and Mathew posted his wonders into the internet 70 years later anyways.
We can turn off the left side bigger magnetic for some specific intervel at the point where the megnetic locking is happening.
If you can try that would be great, with some mechanical lever attached with gears to the circular disk of magnets.
Nice video. Something I would like to try, is to place the magnets on the disc so that the opposing Force is pointed out and attracting force is pointed towards the center of the disc, creating a lesser magnetic field. I would like to build it, but you make the build look so easy and you have all the tools. I look forward to see if you will make this modification. It seems to me, either shielding the attractive Pole or lessening the magnetic field in relation to the opposing magnetic field will give it a more constant drive. Thank you.
There is no way to make permanent magnets drive something continuously. If our brains could visualize magnetic fields and accociated forces as easily as we can terrestrial gravity, this would be obvious to most people.
1) It would damatically violate laws of nature that have been tested and validated by countless people, countless times.
2) This specific idea has been tried countless ways and countless times by people who aren't willing to question their intuition and who have decided, conciously or not, to avoid actual physics.
@drienkm not true, this had been made in Tanzania and people produce free energy now.
@@mathiasmwingira6951 Are these people interested in showing their free energy devices to others? I'm always willing to look them up if you want to share details.
I'm not afraid to be proven wrong. But if the natural laws are wrong, why don't we see people correcting them? Where is the analytical rigor? Where are the revised physics? I've never seen coherent analysis by anyone, genuine or deceptive, who claims free energy or over unity. I only see endless demonstrations of machines that deal with the same intuative pitfalls, over and over. It's very clear to me that these people have never understood what energy is or how it is quantified (at least the people who seem sincere).
@@drienkm Finally, someone who has it in your head.
@@mathiasmwingira6951 why make stuff up? You just sound even more lik eyou have no idea whats going on.
I don't know a lot about magnets, but is there a kind of shielding you could put along side of the big magnet on the stand so it's field didn't extend sideways and slow down the wheel? So that the field does only extend forwards?
The thing to understand about magnetic fields is you can't cut off part of them. You can guide the field, spread it out, or concentrate it, but it will maintain the same characteristics. In the common visualization of "lines" used to understand the spatial field distribution, a particular line will always be a continuous loop through the magnet through the space around it. All you can do is guide the loop with various materials or other fields.
Cannot. The magnetic field must always be closed in order to show a seeming resistance as a "force". Ergo, this "force" only manifests if there is a closed magnetic field. If there was a mythical mono-polar magnet, it would be possible, even if it would not be clear what it closed with its magnetic field. Fortunately, monopolar magnet does not exist despite the wishes of fantasts. But there is an alternative - a static electric field that actually creates such monopoles against a grounded counterpart. It would be good to examine electrostatic motors. Many people have already verified the malfunction of the magnetic engines ála Perpetuum Mobile, both scientists and fools.
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Have you tried to use electromagnet with rotation switch to cut the field when it pulls. Wrap some copper and power the switch.
It seems that you need magnets shaped 90°. Have the opposing polarities pointing to the wheel center and the propelling end as you already have them so they get the boost.
What about using a piece underneath that spins the magnets on the disk that then spins them ever so slightly enough to make them repel and attract at the appropriate times. Or using an electro magnet that pulses right when the magnets pass it instead of constant energy of a permanent magnet?
I agree. I was thinking a cam gear that just redirects the pushing magnet’s force at the appropriate time in the cycle. Like ignition timing on a vehicle.
Congratulations on the video. You could use a metal bar between the outside magnet and the wheel magnets to redirect the magnetic fields.
Well, adding a hallbach system while in lock. Electronically.
Maybe you need a cam to lift the arm and let the magnetic pass and then fall to push it again.
all you need to do is have a powerful magnet in a middle, like a sun then have around with different magnets starting with a low straight magnet up to 90% of the straight magnet that is in middle. at least 12 magnets need it. that way one magnet pushes another magnet and the middle magnet stabilizes all together. That way you will have a infinity rotation without interruption.
If the opposite poles are pointed directly away from the outer edge then you might have a constant rotation.
Cover the attracting pole either north or south however you choose in your setup with paper or something that doesn't work with attraction. It will rotate fine
Add a shield to reduce the pull on the return side. Like a copper tube or lead over the fixed magnet.
Longer magnets, angled more and find a material that can isolate the inner end of your disc magnets to keep that force from reaching back and trying to brake action your momentum.
Try using just 3 magnets on the spinner and hold the push magnet in your hand and moving your wrist up and down to notice how little wrist movement it takes to generate very high rates of spin..then design your holder to imitate your wrist movement by having the spinners centrifugal force carry a small magnet to move the push magnet up and down. Also even if it is not perpetual doesnt mean it's not useful. Imagine a actual bicycle wheel with this setup. Very little leg muscle to yield faster and easier pedaling.
EVERYTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE ...UNTIL SOMEONE BELIEVES IT'S NOT.
Case in point the ignition research facility at Livermore California.
Good luck
Thinking about directing the magnetic field, perhaps encasing the opposing pole and sides of all the magnets might yeild a better result.
Надо всегда показывать удачный эксперимент, это ведь очень важно для всех людей. Тем более есть у многих авторов каналов разные работы с положительными результатами.
Energy can't come for free . Remember you've got the cost of the magnets and the cost of other bits. Plus the Energy used with the battery drill to make the disc .it all adds up to a loss
Of course the magnets add energy to the system, put your keys near magnets and see how it pulls them. The problem is that it's just in one direction.
That's amazing I think you should put another magnet facing south on other side too..
Put some type of lead plating between like poles to stop an attraction at the same time opposite poles continue to push
Put a separator in there
Basically make some thing that will move the one magnet away from the others that are on the disk as they come around when they hit the pivotal point
You can try using less magnets. It already spins 3/4 of a turn so wheel on the left can have a few more magnets then a space and a net set of magnets pops in and leaves
adding a secondary wheel and Magnetic Booster at the opposing spot that stalled out might help the continuous motion
Put this on wind turbines to make them a lot more efficient. Well played mate.
Not sure why it would make turbines more efficient? The best he was able to achieve was essentially a neutral balance between the magnets such that the wheel spun as if the metals were not magnetized at all.
Have you try it with a second or a 4th magnet? At the point where it stops make on the oposite side a magnet what push it forward. or as i sayed even a 3rd and 4th...also you could use a material beside the magnet what blocks the magnet field. If you try that please send me a link i would like to know.
There's a thing called magnetic cogging on display here,it slows down the machine because you can't get rid of the interference from the opposite pole,but I'm sure you all know that,there is an arrangement called the "halbach array" Wich almost cancells out the opposite pole but in turn adds loads of weight,so my question is has any body ever made one with halbach magnets...?
If the horseshoe magnet is positioned correctly, it does not affect the other magnetic pole, if it does, it can be deflected with an iron plate.... Half-skin arc magnet Etc
Have you thought of using a longer cylindrical magnet so that the poles are further apart and using some magnetic shielding so that the field doesn't catch the magnet the moment it passes the stationary magnet?
It would make no difference with longer magnets, if he took the stater magnet away completely it would spin a lot longer, magnetic shielding well do absolutely nothing. The force required to repell the magnets is the same as their attracting forces therefore there is zero gain magnetic shielding or not, magnets do not behave like rockets so angling them doesn't do nothing.
easy fix is to cut away the other pole
@@pekvekYou do not understand magnets. If you cut away the other pole you just end up with 2 magnets.
Im thinking maybe place the outside magnet say 20 degrees and your inside magnets so they oppose in line, decreasing the effect of the attracing end of the inside magnets by distance. Just a thought
There is fiew more steps for you to take- firstly if you compare it to betrol engine then you play with only one piston. Add more pistons. Plus you also need inlet manifold(to overcome that "friction") as if try permanent magnet switch to time on and off. Otto motor is perfectly timed machine. If you take magnet force as betrol then you need inlet. If you can turn off the pushing magnet just at the right time, there is no canceling force. And it should be relatively low energy waste to automate that magnetic switch.
So obvious what you did to ensure failure, it may not be a perpetual motion machine but you certainly could of easily got better performance from it.
Dont use any attracting from the magnets. Only use the magnets to repel. Any magnets that attract to each other will cause it to stop and freeze.angle them so that they will not be able to face each other until its already going to pass it. like on a fan blade that when its going to passby or over it wil be going to fast to do anything but keep going
Maybe a mu metal shield on the attracting pole of the stationary magnet? Leaving the repelling pole to do more work?
8:03 What about oscilation movement? in sync? or elyptic shape instead of circle. i dont throw it away.
You have to use magentic shielding to counter act the attracting force. Steal or Iron is good but you need to put plastic or cardboard between the magnet and the metal. You can even put several layers but thats not really needed. Try it. After all this is all about experemintation.
this is a failed magnetic bearing, super interesting video, great work sir.
Excellent exhibit and explanation sir. What's great is that we can now build on what you did. You have some great ideas with the big magnet arm beung adjustable. Ding ding so It'd be great for the arm undernearth the disc to also be adjustable and also the main magnet arm make adjustable in left to right. Even each small magnet some how make adjustable in all directions. This way from every combonation something should get some continuous spin. Maybe even add another magnet at the other side if positioned well. My thoughts. Great job buddy. 💙✨
I would say that this would assist a motor in reducing friction if you can calibrate it right.
that big magnet you had in your hand, did you try to lock one on top and one on the bottom so that will create a magnetic cushin to kind of support the spinning disk? but bring them so close so they feel like pushing into each other
Second low of thermodynamics be like-😂😂are you comedy me
The magnets on the wheel ought to be placed more with the opposite pol directed against the wheel center (but not completely of course) and perhaps with a little longer magnets..!? So the opposite pols is more far away from the solid magnet.