New performance cars come with tubular manifolds aka "shorty" headers. These cars have cast logs. Headers definitely benefit these cars, just keep your expectations realistic because you're only looking at maybe 20-25hp out of 600-800 dollar headers. The driving experience however, is priceless.
Thank you for this video, I’m saving or selling my x pipe now...I live in Los Angeles where about 700,000 people live in a 2 mile radius and the full exhaust setup (headers, x pipe, cat back) I bought would definitely upset people...I just want a better noise than stock with better hp/torque numbers if possible...seriously thank you for this...im just going to run headers with a cat back or stock
I understand that the full exhaust set up would upset a lot of people and that’s nice of you to take them into consideration! You’re welcome and good luck with your set up!
Having grown up with real muscle cars, I can't wait to start tweaking my '99 to get that feeling back. I like my car to feel like I just strapped a saddle on a grizzly.
considering getting rid of my longtubes, insanely hard to pull my motor... i love the way it sounds and feels, but sadly i might have to go shorty headers
They are a real pain but they do sound amazing so it’s hard to get rid of them. If you’re pulling your motor often it’s probably worth it to go with shorty headers. Hopefully you don’t have exhaust leak issues.
@@srt4dyl981 I feel you man!!!! LT’s are a. Freaking PAIN!!! but I love them I had them on 3 of my cars and I still get mad 🤬when I have to do a transmission job or clutch 😂🤣
Update:. Didn't really change the way it sounds but it sure did free up a good amount of tq/hp. 10-15 ft/lbs and 10 hp ish. That s seat Dyno assessment.
They definitely will produce a more aggressive deep exhaust tone for sure. I’m sure you could tell from the precious video they are an absolute pain to put in by yourself without a lift
What do you guys think about kooks?I see they are expensive as hell!.I have an 02 gt with 78,000 miles on it.Lots of money into it especially cosmeticly. Profesional air brushed flames down the doors and over the hood and hoodscoop.I have an slp 1 on it right now with x pipe. Kooks wants $1628 for header only and $1200 for x pipe.Are t kooks worth the extra cash?
Honestly I don't think that they are worth that much money. No doubt they are a solid brand and I'm sure the fitment is great too but that seems ridiculous. I'm assuming all their parts are made in USA? That and if they are ceramic coated and xpipe is high flow could be why it's so expensive. The BBK LT's and xpipe I had were probably 1/3 the price of Kooks but I bought those a long time ago at this point
doing an engine swap on my car, and I'm down to just the trans and a few connectors from starting it, however I did not realize that the trans would not bolt up bc of the long tubes, so now I get to redo some of my work
@@RatchetWrenches we got it done yesterday lol, it was a lot of work but it took us 6 hours, got the trans in, the k member had to be dropped, removed passenger header, installed trans and starter, then put it all back together, should be runnin on monday or tuesday
Damn the car sounds like a beast with the headers, just need them cams now. I want to do this to my 2v. I have the headers already but I don’t think it’s a one man job, I’ll have to fork the $600 in labor lol.
Yeah man we can’t wait, but I highly suggest not doing it alone it’s a lot of work hahah. If you can get a buddy to help you def give it a shot but yeah I bet labor is expensive
Still have this car? I'm wondering if you can get a decibel reading in the car on a normal drive. Maybe an apple watch noise reading? I hade the mistake with an old car with going to far and the noise was so loud inside that I was getting hearing loss.
We do still have it yeah! And unfortunately we don't have a way to record a decibel reading but we are turbo'ing the car now so it'll be a little more quiet
I have a 2001 Mustang GT with Xtreme Energy comp cams stage 3 and I am still running my stock factory headers... I went against a friend that had the long tube headers and bigger intake on a drag race and he really thought he was gonna get me or even stay close but no way in hell as soon as I dropped 2nd and third he was way behind me. So I am really wondering if I should put those on my car... My car was also tuned.
I'm not surprised you left him in the dust since you have the upgraded cam. Long tubes really just change the tone of the exhaust and supply better air flow so with more supporting mods you'll see more benefits and especially with a proper tune
Yea I actually bought the delete kit just need to find a plug to screw into the headers. Still unsure if I will do it, upon research, it doesn’t seem to help much, some people say it actually negatively effects the engine in a very small way
If you get a k-memeber put in long tube headers r much easier to install them.only bad thing is you cant lower your car too low unless you go with mid length
I might upgrade my k-member to a maximum motorsports eventually but for now I’m keeping the stock one on. But yeah it’s a pain with long tubes and the stock kmember.
We are kind of on the same path just with a little difference in parts. After doing weeks of research and looking at dynos..i went with tuned length headers. I went with urethane mounts..and my cams are already ordered. Cushman NPI cams. Plus a new exhaust setup coming soon.
Trying to see if I can do this for my Crown Vic. Regular manifolds are $100 each, and BBKs for a Mustang are like $400, for a pair. I'd have to redo the entire exhaust, but with the HP and better subs, might be worth it
If I had to do it again I wouldn't buy BBK. For what you pay the fitment isn't great and you can't use all new hardware because of the fitment issues. At least that's how it is on my 2v. There are other better brands out there. But yes the HP numbers with correct supporting mods can make it worth purchasing
@@gagecarter5577 No sir, now I'm thinking about 3v heads from a 05-10 Mustang, which are different headers. I KNOW for a fact that Pacesetter headers for a Mustang are verified to work on a Vic, due to swaps into F100s. Sorry I'm not more help, I just need more power, and figured a different route to get there
@Ratchet Wrenches, I was planning on doing the BBK shorty headers because I thought they were better for streetable low end torque, and that the long tube headers were better for top end flow and power at high rpms. Do u disagree?
Don't waste your money and time installing shortys on a 2v bro; not worth it at all. Either stick with your stock manifolds or go longtubes, which will actually give you some type of gain.
Depends on what your goals of the car is ultimately. The long tubes change the sound and allow more air flow but yes I do love the iconic sound of the 4.6s with a nice exhaust set up
Great video, just curious when replacing your clutch I heard that you have to take off the passenger side header to have room for your trans to come down. Do you know if you have to completely remove the header are do you just loosen it without having to remove the k member. Thanks .....
It’s a bitch to take out the trans with long tubes but you can get away with it by turning the trans on it’s side and finding the sweet spot to get it out.
Installed MAC 1 5/8” on my Mach 1. They sound amazing and I can feel the difference in power. But...my oil dipstick does not fucking fit anymore. Also, this is a good time to replace motor mounts bc why the fuck not?
Well that explains it because we did install new motor mounts... watch before commenting you lazy fuck hahaha jkjk. But yeah you need to go aftermarket with a oil dipstick, we said fuck it and didn’t even place one in
I have an automatic 01 GT. I’m looking to add the American Racing long tube/X-pipe high flow cat combo. Will I notice low end gains? Any guesses in torque/HP gains? I have 78mm BBK CAI/TB as well if that helps, it will all be tuned afterwards. Trying to see if I’ll notice more torque/HP in an automatic? I’d settle for 15 TQ/25HP all day. Thanks man! You’re my go-to!
You will yes. The long tubes allow the car to breathe a lot more. With a full custom exhaust, the other mods you listed and the tune you should see around those gains! Thank you we appreciate the support! 🤘🏽
How do you guys like those solid motor mounts. Is the vibration real bad. Been think I need new mounts. Being I keep blowing trans mounts like crazy. And thinking maybe my motor mounts are shit and making it rock to much. Was planning. Solid MM and a Poly Trans Mount.
I personally love them and the quality is always top notch from Maximum Motorsports. The vibration overall has increased a bit but that is also from the longtube headers you can really feel the power behind those when you start the car. No excessive rattles from the solid motor mounts though. In your case I’d recommend them and it definitely wouldn’t hurt!
Cabin noise with a BBK catted xpipe is good, no drone and decently loud when you get on it. But I’m currently running an off-road x-pipe, which let me tell you is very loud and raspy but I love it as a weekend car for now. Can always throw the catted xpipe back on whenever I want
What tune did you use? Was it a custom tune for the headers via sct? Just curious, I need a good safe starter tune for my longtubes right now since all the tuning/dyno shops are closed around me due to corona. I’m just eager to drive around but don’t want to mess up my car if I have “too much” airflow. And if there’s anybody in the comments let me know on what I should do. Trust me I’d get a good tune atm but can’t due to all the shops being closed.
Lmao it was just funny af but watched the whole video.. hey that back window defuser does it get in the way of your vision. Been wanting to get one but only thing I was worried anout
Daniel Lopez hahah yeah a couple people actually commented saying similar things with that choice of wording hahah. But honestly it doesn’t get in the way of vision.
@@RatchetWrenches actually yes i know exactly what those parts add in best case scenario, to go any higher than 275 on a stock bottom end at tire you need cams or boost. I know because i have built my n/a 2valve and pro tuned by lasota racing. 😃
michael tu papi that could ask so be a wheel bearing. I can’t diagnose a car over this unfortunately sorry I don’t wanna give you wrong info but humming usually is wheel bearings
I think we’re good in the clutch for while, we have a stage 2 one put in. But I’m sure we’ll manage to replace it if we have to. I’ve done worse jobs trust me 😂 hardest part will be without a lift 😬
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New performance cars come with tubular manifolds aka "shorty" headers. These cars have cast logs. Headers definitely benefit these cars, just keep your expectations realistic because you're only looking at maybe 20-25hp out of 600-800 dollar headers. The driving experience however, is priceless.
The driving experience definitely is priceless!
Thank you guys so much for doing this tutorial! Best #drivewaybuilt mechanics on UA-cam!
Bruk you’re the man! Thanks for supporting us since the beginning
thanks! been looking to do this on my 04
Definitely would recommend them!
Sounds awesome!!!!💥🔥imo the 4.6L 2v its one of the best sounding engines that ford did👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Appreciate that and honestly I couldn’t agree more! Make sure to subscribe to see more from this car! Big things coming soo
Just ordered my long tubes 💪
The old 5.0 was a great sounding engine as well. Pretty much all of fords stuff has always sounded good
Thank you for this video, I’m saving or selling my x pipe now...I live in Los Angeles where about 700,000 people live in a 2 mile radius and the full exhaust setup (headers, x pipe, cat back) I bought would definitely upset people...I just want a better noise than stock with better hp/torque numbers if possible...seriously thank you for this...im just going to run headers with a cat back or stock
I understand that the full exhaust set up would upset a lot of people and that’s nice of you to take them into consideration! You’re welcome and good luck with your set up!
Get flowmasters exhausts they aren’t crazy loud but still sound good.
Having grown up with real muscle cars, I can't wait to start tweaking my '99 to get that feeling back. I like my car to feel like I just strapped a saddle on a grizzly.
It's the best feeling can't beat that!
Pain in the ass when I got shorty's put in.had too many exhaust leaks that's when I just went with longtubes haven't had any leaks in a very long time
Agreed. Long tubes are the way to go if you do headers
Can’t wait to do this already have the parts just waitin on engine support bar and getting long leverage tools and a torch. Got everything else
That's awesome! Good luck with it! It's definitely smart to get all the tools lined up first so you're prepared 👌🏽
Great job, looking forward to future videos.
Thanks! And yes we have big things coming for sure
considering getting rid of my longtubes, insanely hard to pull my motor... i love the way it sounds and feels, but sadly i might have to go shorty headers
They are a real pain but they do sound amazing so it’s hard to get rid of them. If you’re pulling your motor often it’s probably worth it to go with shorty headers. Hopefully you don’t have exhaust leak issues.
Try mid length from bassani.also try putting on the OEM gasket I've tryd several ones and they all failed.and still have the oem new of course
@@linoacuna7230 will look into it
@@RatchetWrenches yes i love them and hate them
@@srt4dyl981 I feel you man!!!! LT’s are a. Freaking PAIN!!! but I love them I had them on 3 of my cars and I still get mad 🤬when I have to do a transmission job or clutch 😂🤣
My 99 gt is in the shop for this install.
I went with tuned length shorty from bbk. Just waiting to get it back.
Nice nice! You’re gonna love it!
Update:. Didn't really change the way it sounds but it sure did free up a good amount of tq/hp. 10-15 ft/lbs and 10 hp ish.
That s seat Dyno assessment.
I have the bbk shorty headers, really considering taking them off and putting on long tubes
They definitely will produce a more aggressive deep exhaust tone for sure. I’m sure you could tell from the precious video they are an absolute pain to put in by yourself without a lift
How are the shorty’s do you recommend them ?
What do you guys think about kooks?I see they are expensive as hell!.I have an 02 gt with 78,000 miles on it.Lots of money into it especially cosmeticly. Profesional air brushed flames down the doors and over the hood and hoodscoop.I have an slp 1 on it right now with x pipe. Kooks wants $1628 for header only and $1200 for x pipe.Are t kooks worth the extra cash?
Honestly I don't think that they are worth that much money. No doubt they are a solid brand and I'm sure the fitment is great too but that seems ridiculous. I'm assuming all their parts are made in USA? That and if they are ceramic coated and xpipe is high flow could be why it's so expensive. The BBK LT's and xpipe I had were probably 1/3 the price of Kooks but I bought those a long time ago at this point
Don't cut your mufflers off . Save up for a spin tech exhaust 👍👍
I’ll have to look into them!
Yeah we killed this for sure!
doing an engine swap on my car, and I'm down to just the trans and a few connectors from starting it, however I did not realize that the trans would not bolt up bc of the long tubes, so now I get to redo some of my work
Ahh that sucks. Yeah the LT's do get in the way quite a bit but it'll be worth while once it's all back together
@@RatchetWrenches we got it done yesterday lol, it was a lot of work but it took us 6 hours, got the trans in, the k member had to be dropped, removed passenger header, installed trans and starter, then put it all back together, should be runnin on monday or tuesday
Great video, how much HP yu did get out this sett up before putting the cams in??
Thank you! And probably like 10-15whp
Damn the car sounds like a beast with the headers, just need them cams now. I want to do this to my 2v. I have the headers already but I don’t think it’s a one man job, I’ll have to fork the $600 in labor lol.
Yeah man we can’t wait, but I highly suggest not doing it alone it’s a lot of work hahah. If you can get a buddy to help you def give it a shot but yeah I bet labor is expensive
Ive done it by my self, not bad but pain in the a,
Still have this car?
I'm wondering if you can get a decibel reading in the car on a normal drive. Maybe an apple watch noise reading?
I hade the mistake with an old car with going to far and the noise was so loud inside that I was getting hearing loss.
We do still have it yeah! And unfortunately we don't have a way to record a decibel reading but we are turbo'ing the car now so it'll be a little more quiet
I have a 2001 Mustang GT with Xtreme Energy comp cams stage 3 and I am still running my stock factory headers... I went against a friend that had the long tube headers and bigger intake on a drag race and he really thought he was gonna get me or even stay close but no way in hell as soon as I dropped 2nd and third he was way behind me. So I am really wondering if I should put those on my car... My car was also tuned.
I'm not surprised you left him in the dust since you have the upgraded cam. Long tubes really just change the tone of the exhaust and supply better air flow so with more supporting mods you'll see more benefits and especially with a proper tune
Also u can delete the egr tube and get an egr delete kit
Yea I actually bought the delete kit just need to find a plug to screw into the headers. Still unsure if I will do it, upon research, it doesn’t seem to help much, some people say it actually negatively effects the engine in a very small way
@@RatchetWrenches I think an old 02 sensor might work I still have on there I just been too lazy to take the tube off
Awesome video boys, sounds great!
Thanks!
Did you had any problems with the AC line touching the header on the passenger side causing the insulation to melt? Or engine bay temperatures rising?
No issues with either. My LT's were coated though
If you get a k-memeber put in long tube headers r much easier to install them.only bad thing is you cant lower your car too low unless you go with mid length
I might upgrade my k-member to a maximum motorsports eventually but for now I’m keeping the stock one on. But yeah it’s a pain with long tubes and the stock kmember.
@@RatchetWrenches I've learned that the hard way installing any headers with the stock kmember is a pain.but hey anything for the new edge
We are kind of on the same path just with a little difference in parts. After doing weeks of research and looking at dynos..i went with tuned length headers. I went with urethane mounts..and my cams are already ordered. Cushman NPI cams. Plus a new exhaust setup coming soon.
Nice! I need to order cams soon can’t beat that thump sound
Awesome work! What mufflers are you running?
Thank you! Currently running Flowmaster American Thunderback Catback exhaust.
@@RatchetWrenches thats one of the quietest ones
Trying to see if I can do this for my Crown Vic. Regular manifolds are $100 each, and BBKs for a Mustang are like $400, for a pair. I'd have to redo the entire exhaust, but with the HP and better subs, might be worth it
If I had to do it again I wouldn't buy BBK. For what you pay the fitment isn't great and you can't use all new hardware because of the fitment issues. At least that's how it is on my 2v. There are other better brands out there. But yes the HP numbers with correct supporting mods can make it worth purchasing
have you done it yet thinking about doing it to my town car
@@gagecarter5577 No sir, now I'm thinking about 3v heads from a 05-10 Mustang, which are different headers. I KNOW for a fact that Pacesetter headers for a Mustang are verified to work on a Vic, due to swaps into F100s. Sorry I'm not more help, I just need more power, and figured a different route to get there
Get the stainless works headers for a vic. They're about 1,400$
Sounds beautiful love the car good work guys
Thank you! Make sure to subscribe we have more coming with this car
@Ratchet Wrenches, I was planning on doing the BBK shorty headers because I thought they were better for streetable low end torque, and that the long tube headers were better for top end flow and power at high rpms.
Do u disagree?
I believe you are correct yes
Don't waste your money and time installing shortys on a 2v bro; not worth it at all. Either stick with your stock manifolds or go longtubes, which will actually give you some type of gain.
Shorties are a waste of money. They don't make any more power than stock manifolds. Long tubes will actually help low-end, not hurt it.
sweet...thx
No problem!
So basically this is the bbk headers and x pipe with stock mufflers?
I had flow master mufflers on it
Not worth it to me. I had the cats cut off of mine and installed Flowmasters. The 4.6 sounds so good.
Depends on what your goals of the car is ultimately. The long tubes change the sound and allow more air flow but yes I do love the iconic sound of the 4.6s with a nice exhaust set up
You would have spent the same amount if you had just bought an offroad midpipe lol
With the long tube headers do you lose your catalytic converters
No you can still run a catted x or h-pipe
Great video, just curious when replacing your clutch I heard that you have to take off the passenger side header to have room for your trans to come down. Do you know if you have to completely remove the header are do you just loosen it without having to remove the k member. Thanks .....
It’s a bitch to take out the trans with long tubes but you can get away with it by turning the trans on it’s side and finding the sweet spot to get it out.
I put long tubes in my 96 , it was a bitch. I had put my header on my block with the egr tube on it too good tip
Yeah definitely not the easiest of jobs !
Great video Guy's Awesome Mustang 🙏💪
Thanks appreciate it!
I might have missed it in the video but, what mufflers are you running?
281 New edge we are running a flow master American thunder setup
Installed MAC 1 5/8” on my Mach 1. They sound amazing and I can feel the difference in power. But...my oil dipstick does not fucking fit anymore. Also, this is a good time to replace motor mounts bc why the fuck not?
Edit #2...didn’t watch the whole video before edit #1 lmao. Replace the motor mounts you lazy, cheap fuck.
Well that explains it because we did install new motor mounts... watch before commenting you lazy fuck hahaha jkjk. But yeah you need to go aftermarket with a oil dipstick, we said fuck it and didn’t even place one in
I’m put some on my cobra
That will be awesome!
I have an automatic 01 GT. I’m looking to add the American Racing long tube/X-pipe high flow cat combo. Will I notice low end gains? Any guesses in torque/HP gains? I have 78mm BBK CAI/TB as well if that helps, it will all be tuned afterwards. Trying to see if I’ll notice more torque/HP in an automatic? I’d settle for 15 TQ/25HP all day. Thanks man! You’re my go-to!
You will yes. The long tubes allow the car to breathe a lot more. With a full custom exhaust, the other mods you listed and the tune you should see around those gains! Thank you we appreciate the support! 🤘🏽
Awesome!
A lift definitely makes it easier!!
We're definitely not all that fortunate but yes it would
But the bbk website directions say to just lift engine 3 inches and slide in header. Bullshit. I dont think bbk ever installed there own headers.
Hahahaha so true. You learn as you go, directions were pointless
How do you guys like those solid motor mounts. Is the vibration real bad. Been think I need new mounts. Being I keep blowing trans mounts like crazy. And thinking maybe my motor mounts are shit and making it rock to much. Was planning. Solid MM and a Poly Trans Mount.
I personally love them and the quality is always top notch from Maximum Motorsports. The vibration overall has increased a bit but that is also from the longtube headers you can really feel the power behind those when you start the car. No excessive rattles from the solid motor mounts though. In your case I’d recommend them and it definitely wouldn’t hurt!
LT will quiet you’re exhaust because of the extra flow
Yeah for sure it was definitely louder with the stock manifolds and the O/R Xpipe set up. But I love the LT headers the look and sound are great
...and how's the cabin noise when cruising? Thanks!
Cabin noise with a BBK catted xpipe is good, no drone and decently loud when you get on it. But I’m currently running an off-road x-pipe, which let me tell you is very loud and raspy but I love it as a weekend car for now. Can always throw the catted xpipe back on whenever I want
What tune did you use? Was it a custom tune for the headers via sct? Just curious, I need a good safe starter tune for my longtubes right now since all the tuning/dyno shops are closed around me due to corona. I’m just eager to drive around but don’t want to mess up my car if I have “too much” airflow. And if there’s anybody in the comments let me know on what I should do. Trust me I’d get a good tune atm but can’t due to all the shops being closed.
Yes, custom bama sct tune. Yea definitely wait to receive the tune before running the car, I know it must be painful to wait for one.
What did you guys do for the oil dipstick having issues
I bought one on Summit Racing that is braided and flexible
@@RatchetWrenches thanks man
How many miles do you have on your car
I have 110k now
Yea, wait till you have to change clutch, lol, pain in the rear
Luckily we replaced ours about 2 years ago so it’s fairly new but yeah it’s brutal
Just cuz of the long tubes.. what about the shorties
Do u have to tune for headers
No you don’t
Yassss
Get rid of the metal intake it gets to hot and loose performance
Get the Airaid cold air intake
Mine works fine for now I plan on upgrading at some point in the spring.
All I want to know is what is a deep throaty sound hummmm lmao
Hahah it was a poor choice of words on our part
Lmao it was just funny af but watched the whole video.. hey that back window defuser does it get in the way of your vision. Been wanting to get one but only thing I was worried anout
Daniel Lopez hahah yeah a couple people actually commented saying similar things with that choice of wording hahah. But honestly it doesn’t get in the way of vision.
Yo bruh Cold air intake, throttle body, exhaust and can tune off ebay my cars built...lol jk Cars still only making around 250-275 to tires.
Don’t know why you would assume everything is off ebay, because it’s not first of all. Second of all you don’t know how much power my car makes.
@@RatchetWrenches actually yes i know exactly what those parts add in best case scenario, to go any higher than 275 on a stock bottom end at tire you need cams or boost. I know because i have built my n/a 2valve and pro tuned by lasota racing. 😃
THAT IS how a hot rod should sound!!! I HATE, HATE, TRIPLE HATE the new raspy, brick-in-a-garbage-can sound that so many now fit to their exhaust.
Couldn't agree more!!
Deep throat that exhaust
Can you guys do this 2 my car I'll pay.
We don’t have a shop yet unfortunately
@@RatchetWrenches ok how can I tell if my differential needs to be replaced my car makes a humming sound from the rear end
michael tu papi that could ask so be a wheel bearing. I can’t diagnose a car over this unfortunately sorry I don’t wanna give you wrong info but humming usually is wheel bearings
@@RatchetWrenches thanks man appreciated I will check it out tomorrow
No its not unless you have a power adder.
Deep throaty hahahaha
Hahah it came off so wrong but we had to keep it 😂
No the are absolutely not worth it try replacing a fuckin clutch with long tubes
I think we’re good in the clutch for while, we have a stage 2 one put in. But I’m sure we’ll manage to replace it if we have to. I’ve done worse jobs trust me 😂 hardest part will be without a lift 😬
Cut the mufflers off you are crazy.
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Not worth it !! ,,
What makes you say that?
I bet this fucking guy can't even change a tire
Great vids, very informative. Keep em coming
Thank you so much! And we plan on it