I played BL2 for about 100 hours, and once I played BL3, i haven't gone back. Yes, the story in BL3 is bad, but I find that everything else is better. The late game is great, too! I just hop in and play slaughter house or the raid. It is endless fun with a bunch of different builds. People may say that BL2 has a lot of build variaty, but I just dont see it. BL3 rules this category as well
I did not jive with BL3 when it dropped and just never got around to finishing. I put hundred of hours in BL2 back in the day and recently I felt like playing some Borderlands so I got BL3. Just finished my first playthrough and this game is far better than the community gives it credit for. The story isnt even that bad, its the just the twins that are cringe and not very good villains. Otherwise, the story is fine and has BL2 quality side missions. It was a little easy but BL3 does a LOT right.
Legendaries we're better in borderlands 2 is frustrating with borderlands 3 it feels like they're just not special anymore or powerful I hope they make them better in the next game and oh my gosh please don't do wonderland style having to do something first to get good loot dropping kills the mood
Honestly with the op levels from Pre-Lilith DLC Bl2, UVHM of Borderlands the Pre-Sequel, Vault Hunters from Pre-Sequels and combining the activities from both BL2 and BL3. That'd be the perfect endgame for me. Most people honestly sleep on how good and fun the Pre-Sequel Vault Hunters are because Pre-Sequel has nothing to do in the endgame.
The original Borderlands has my absolute favorite raid boss in the entire series (and I mean when you fight him legitimately, without any stupid ledge glitches), has a fantastic set of pearlescent items that are glorious to find, a nice balance that allows every character to handle every piece of content quite fairly and with a very wide selection of gear, and has weapon proficiencies to level through that are so much better than the badass rank crap the later games have. I like the proficiencies because they have a set maximum for every weapon type rather than unlimited bonuses to every attribute of your character, which continuously makes the game easier. BL3 guardian rank is the absolute worst of them all to me as it locks away mechanics that significantly change gameplay, requiring you to boost all of your attributes by a significant amount if you want to use them. It's made even worse by the fact that BL3 is the easiest game in the series before adding all the guardian rank abilities! Learning to solo Crawmerax the Invincible on each VH was an amazing and rewarding experience for me that I continue to enjoy doing, whereas in BL3 I simply turned on mayhem 11 as soon as I finished normal mode (which was a cakewalk of a campaign), powerleveled my character to 72, and then walked through every single true trial, invincible, slaughter arena, and true takedown on offer and faced little to no challenge. I just bought BL3 2 weeks ago and I believe arms race gave me more of a struggle than anything else in the game lol
Yeah my only problem with Craw was that long ass elevator ride but was able to beat him down with my blast master brick and using his action skill exploit for movement speed
That is because u cant play i have 2 characters LVL 80 and plus OP 10 including the DLC fight for santuary of Lilith and it's easy you just need the right builds😊
pre-sequel’s endgame is barren, I wish they’d added more content after Claptraps Vovage. I completely burnt out leveling my Fragtrap because the fastest way to level up is replaying the beginning mission over and over again.
Never understood the “lack of viability” argument in BL2. With a good build, you can still kill a lot of the toughest enemies with even just purple-rarity weapons. Of course Raid Bosses were different, but it makes sense that killing co-op bosses in an unintended solo fashion would demand much more from you lmao
@aidenwrath1402 there's a difference between being able to kill enemies with a weapon, and it being viable. I beat all of Borderlands 3 with the unforgiven pistol, doesn't make it viable.
BL2 and BL:TPS always pull me back for their characters. 6 playable per game. BL2 has 'the most endgame'. But imo the scaling becomes terrible to the point of becoming actively unfun. and I agree, level 61 was fair, everything after was unfun. BL:TPS has the least endgame. It had my favorite Vault Hunters, and I liked Oz kits more than artifacts. A shame it didn't get all its promised DLC BL3 has nearly as much end game as BL2, but currently has far less balancing issues. It needed time to balance, but as it stands is great!
Ok so I am back in BL3 after about 5 years. Bought it on launch, completed it with FL4K, started an Amara and dropped the game after that because I didn't really like it (compared to BL2 which I played hundreds of hours). Now I started a new character (Zane) and want to experience all the content I never saw (DLCs). Was looking on Reddit, trying to fin some guidance, first I saw that there was no UVHM in BL3. And then I also saw that some people reccomend to not even jump into TVHM and just stay in NVHH with Mayhem mode turned on. Is that really a thing ? Very informative video :) thanks
@HanzsKlopek it was actually only released 3 months prior to BL3, and was free for the first little bit. I'm fine with the DLC, I just wish it hadn't added levels and op levels to the game
@@nathanhendrickson790 i mean sure the end game for tps isnt as good as bl2 and you basically just have eos and the wave survival in the claptrap dlc but "wasnt much to do" is funny considering its drawing point is in its replayability which comes from the fact that each character has the best skill trees of any Borderlands which means your guaranteed to have 6 good playthroughs. Also you arent nearly as limited in your choice for how you wanna play because there isnt that much things that are just blatantly so much stronger than everything and super easy to get that it makes it so that there's no point in running anything else. you basically get the same 5 things every bl2 run. Harold, bee shield, lady fist, and the fibber. Also running slag weapons is basically required so im gonna put the grog nozzle in that list as well. Almost every bl2 run is the exact same since the balancing is shite, if they didnt have that endgame than id say gameplay loop wise, its ass but the story of bl2 and the side quest are good. with that being said, the closest thing to bl2 is the pre-sequel. The pre-sequel also has one of the best stories, good side quest, the best dlc in all of borderlands, yet it also has more variety unlike bl2. and it isn't too old like bl1 and is more similar to bl2 than bl3 obviously. tps is basically the battlefield hardline of bl games except battlefield hardline wasnt nearly as good as battlefield 4, its just that when it came out people complained that it wasnt battlefield enough and then years later battlefield 2042 came out lmao. which was basically the same thing that happened to tps.
was excited to hear your opinion up until around the 5 minute mark where you say there are only 10 guns viable at the end game of borderlands 2. This is a misconception that comes down to a lack of knowledge, and nothing more.
Yeah I really hate that misconception, even with OP10 there are still tons of builds for the vault hunters. LV 80 was also really good for Axton since he can grab 2 capstones and still have points for storefront or other grenade buffs in his middle tree.
@@djnes2k7 if your gonna say something as ridiculous as “every gun is viable at endgame” or “you can one shot graveward with the starter pistol” you’re gonna be expected to back it up otherwise you’re gonna look like a fool.
I hate how Gearbox SNUBBED Pre Sequel, instead of giving that game another DLC, they gave ANOTHER ONE to BL2 and it ended up being the worst DLC that ruined the end game 💀
Borderlands 2 is my favorite. Love duoing Digi on OP10 with my buddy or doing Murderlin's Temple on Badass diff. Plus the various repeatable raid bosses is awesome. I also believe Tiny Tina's Assault On Dragon Keep is the best DLC in the franchise.
Ngl, I stopped playing just a few days after Wonderlands released bc of lack of farming. I just recently downloaded the Reduz mod and holy crap it genuinely made it the best game in the franchise for me.
Tbh, if Wonderlands had a TVHM it would be one of my fav games of the franchise. But without it, something important is missing. Right now, I enjoy 3 the most, fun gameplay, nice weapons and it's just fun in general. Also has the best Endgame so far in my opinion. But Borderlands 2 has a special place in my heart, I played it thousands of hours and love it to this day.
Wonderlands builds are just too fun for me to not rate it as the best. Interesting builds and playstyles are important. In terms of pure gameplay Wonderlands is clearly the best
Hmm I really enjoy 3 but i think its too easy. I like Mayhem Mode because it provides difficulty. BL3 Maliwan Takedown = Bl2 Digistruck Peak. Bl3 Best Slaughter is Slaughter Shaft = Bl2 Murderlins Temple. Bl3 only 2 real raid bosses Anathema and Hemo = Bl2 8 real raid bosses Ancient Dragons, Pyro Pete, Vermi, Vorac, Hyperious, Crawmerax, Terramorphous and Haderax. Bl2 enemies are better bl3 combat is better
each of the Borderlands games did something better than the others. Borderlands had the best loot structure. Borderlands 2 had the best story and content. Borderlands 3 had the best gameplay
What you have to realize is when people say only [insert number] of guns work, Moxxi [Grog] weapons are required, Axton and Krieg are garbage, etc. and it just isn't fun, that means they have little play time at high OP levels (for obvious reasons, they don't find it fun), so they are ignorant about many things, including the nuances of this subject. Honestly, I think the average person, or at least Borderlands player, is just bad or ok at video games, so Borderlands OP levels were just too much for the casuals, causing them to leave before actually experimenting around and finding different builds that worked (even if it's a build that barely worked). I mean yeah, many builds can't do some of the raid bosses, but there's more build variety than what many make it out to be. Half the player base more than likely has never even played every character (most Sal only) and for the few playthroughs they did do, they just used a DPUH or something like an Infinity and haven't even heard of half the gear that exists in the game. They might of made it to like OP3, but then they stopped because the game is too hard and unfair, while they use underleveled sht gear with a terrible skill tree that doesn't synergize well with their gear lmao Additionally, it isn't that the OP levels are completely unfair and broken, it's that the gear and skill trees aren't balanced around the OP levels. If they balanced the gear and skill trees properly then OP levels wouldn't be a problem at all, like literally at all, so I think this blaming of OP levels is an unfair criticism, as the real blame lies with everything that existed before it. Although, OP levels aren't the problem, I do wish they just left it at level 72 OP8, since upping it is just artificial challenge and gave more skill points than what we should of had.
I'm a big BL2 fan, but even i can't deny how great the gun and build diversity at Endgame in BL3 compare to BL2's, you can build around almost any gun or build you think is fun or cool and make them work on takedown, i think it really hit a really good spot with this kind of diversity for a looter shooter that love to mark themself has different variations of weapons in the game I know some people think BL2's endgame design is difficult and fun to them, i can see why and respect this opinion, but for a gameseries that most of gameplay formula are basically taking down enemy ASAP bc you don't really have any way to dodge hitscan attack, i think BL3's Endgame is not perfect but atleast the right direction with this kind of formula. As for TPS, suffering from lack of endgame is just upsetting bc i would said it has some of the best character skill trees in the series imo.
I hate digi peak. I like the concept, but holy shit. The other day i died on OP 6 4 times on the finale assassin. They should have put a check point right before the finale boss room or even at like 70% of the way through. It sucks to run through that massive gauntlet solo against all those enemies and mini bosses, just to fet fucked up by the last enemies and lose all your progress.
I haven't played BL3 yet(poor PC) but idk the end game of BL3 looks kinda boring from the footage 😅 plus the build itself looks boring (just spam bomb active skill and just shoot?) and so much visual noise, that's probably why I won't replay BL3 end gamr too much, so much visual glitter is ehh Maybe it's just my bias but I swear the build variety was at it's strongest in pre sequel, if ONLY we just got more DLCs so we had more of an end game 😭
Better endgame bosses / dedicated loots goes to BL2. BL3 had better gameplay and balanced characters and build diversity. Biggest gripe for BL3 for me was so many different factors for an item. ei annointmenta/parts/elements. makes it so hard to farm for endgame item. add to that that the legendary loot pool is so bloated.
Content wise of 1 2 and 3 imo 1 lacked ALL around. 2 had a LOT of endgame variety a lot of stuff to try out gear wise. Many dlcs adding more variety. 3 just feels lacking anything past running through the story and dlcs maybe grinding vault cards for awhile. Wonderlands got BORING postgame quick and its postgame growth felt limited
Holodome, mutator arena and Murderlins temple were replayable at least, I do wish finks and Hyperion were replayable it sucks having to use gibbed for it. 11:17
@@ConstantCanadian Yeah I started on BL1 release day and pretty much have been on and off all the games (except Wonderlands) for several thousands of hours. Keep doing good content!
Yeah this community is in shambles. The soulsborne community is way more put together but the borderlands community went from a community to just two groups of people trying to “gotcha” each other (mak and hellfire)
@@nathanhendrickson790 I actually just started my first (kinda) Soulsbourne with Remnant 2. As a BL fan, Remnant is a fantastic way to transition into that kind of game. Great game.
My personal favorite is bl1 well balanced nice raid boss true vault hunter the farming was a lil hard cuz no designated legendary drops but the claptrap dlc chest room and knoxx dlc is good enough for me.
Now there's something that always frustrated me with the borderland community, by listening to youtubers your under the impression that borderlands 2 end game is op10 or 8 if you don't have lilith dlc, But op levels are an option, op0 is your oarticulr cup of tea ? Well than stay at op0 you won't be missing any content and have all the fun you want, Op6 seems unfair and op5 is where u feel comfortable well play op5 then, you can farm there and have all the fun u want with that level of difficulty and if you ever get bored you know you can try to push yourself even further with OP6, 7 or 10 want to feol like a god walking on earth ? Well go farm op10 stuff and play op0 with op10 gear, its all up to you and how YOU want to play at no point the game tells you that you HAVE to be OP10 to enjoy the content, you don't unlock anything other than a certain sense of pride and accomplishment so... And lastly want to show the world your a little coward play sal with pimp+ahab plus modded storm front (yes i hate those kind of player 😂)
I like 3's endgame, but I'd rather play a new BL2 chaeacter through 3 playthoughs and level to 80 than go through the drag of bl3's story even 1 more time.
3 is the only endgame I even bothered engaging with. 1 was boring, 2 didn’t push the dog aspects if the game which are my favorite, TPS had no endgame and in comparison 3’s is just easier
bl3 wouldnt be so bad if it was actually hard plus farming for Legendary is non existing non bosses drop Legendary gear so im playing bl2 still i just miss ultimate vault hunter mode
All the end games are fun it’s just that bl3 is better because any build works and while there should be more takedowns and raids the fact you don’t have to run the entire map to fight one raid boss for drops is just a quality of life that makes it better for console players especially since bl2 pc players can download mods while console can’t
I would also like to add I dislike how most content creators only do content on bl2 and sometimes 1 I like when content creators actually give the other games props when it deserves props for what they added to the game and the quality of life they added to the game like making the lost loot machine (that could use some work) or the grinder or how they merged the bank and stash together
I mean it all comes down to taste but while I do enjoy the gameplay of BL3, the games way to easy, and legendaries don’t really feel rare because of how easy they are to get. Say what you want about BL2 but it’s a big grind to get to UVHM and those OP levels but you can feel really accomplished when you do it. When you have a really well put together build that gets through that hard content and you have all those hard to get weapons. It isn’t perfect because I do believe drop rates for weapons could’ve been buffed slightly and I also think the introduction of other elements was good while removing slag so that people wouldn’t have to rely on it as heavily as you had to in BL2. Overall BL3 is extremely easy and loot means nothing because of how easy it is to get. Literally got a legendary in my first side mission when I’m BL2, I’d have to get lucky if any bosses dropped a weapon but like I said it’s all personal taste which is why most content creators make BL2 content because it just has so much more content and a higher skill ceiling.
For me bl3 has the best endgame out of all of them. Yeah bl2 had more raid bosses but unless you always had a group to play with, played as salvadore, had the top of top tier weapons or you put over 2 million hours into the game and know every raid down to the pixel, you’re pretty much just sticking to exploits and cheese which is just boring. In bl3 there’s no need to cheese even if you scale the raids to four player difficulty it’s balanced so much better to the point of a tough but fair challenge. And even if you didn’t want to do raids that fine too go do the seasonal content, knock out some slaughter maps, do some arms race runs, farm for god rolls, do some side quests, do some proving grounds. In bl2 if you didn’t want to do raids then besides farming or some DLCs there really isn’t much to do so the only way you’re gonna extend your playtime is starting a new character and doing it all over again. I spent a whole year as fl4k without ever feeling bored and only decided to play as another character last week. Bl2 is a great game but its endgame doesn’t hold a candle to 3s. It would if it was balanced better though.
I think the biggest difference there is.that Borderlands 3 gives us WAY more in terms if survivability. Whereas in borderlands 2, unless you had your moxxi weapon switching perfected, you were basically dead before you even began.
@brandon9621 no, your just coping because you know bl3 is the better game, better gunplay and movement, twice as much loot, no slag, more part variations, more elements, 4 skill trees and 4 action skills for each vault hunter, bigger game with multiple planets, twice as many maps and missions, better enemy variety, more build variety, 4k60fps or HD120fps, VRR, the list goes on and on, almost everything that has to do with what's most important in a looter shooter being gameplay, mechanics and overall design is better in bl3
@@mathewhosier9739 like I said corky, a 5 year old could beat in on mayhem 11. Those things are meaningless when the game is so fucking easy. Trying playing op 10 bl2 chump
its bl3. havnt watched yet but that must be the answer. im a bit of a bl2er but youre not convincing a 10 year old to play bl2 but they prolly wanna play bl3 if they see it yea obviously totally agree with you. i will say some kind of wonderlands-esk build diversity because there were so many ways to play that game, with bl3 end game would make bl4 the game of the year. here to hoping they dont do that plc shit with bl4
Im glad you liked Borderlands 3. In a way, the game got worse for me on how BL2 got worse for you. In fact, for me, it was the death of the franchise. To me, Borderlands was never about farming, but taking new items and combining them into something crazy. you could create builds with blue weapons. While OP levels did hurt the final peice of BL2, it only hurt if you tried to get to OP10. For the rest of the game, it was amazing and tons of endgame activities to do. BL3 had tons of endgame that was left to die in favor of mode that required the best gear, gear that would get nerfed into the ground every week. The DLC i never bought because they sold back the nerfs into new guns behind a paywall. Something BL2 never did because it instead opened new avenues of power. Theres was no new Pimpernail, no new sandhawk...they were powerful and unique when you got them. But mostly, BL3 was a show of Gearbox's colors because how tonedeaf they were to the community. Tiny Tina I left before they could go on a nerfing spree again but if there is a medal for worst endgame, its that because of all the reason's stated all leading to one thing: lost potential. A chamber locked away with some of the craziest DnD unbalanced ideas ever conceived by one of the unhinged minds in the franchise...done absolutely nothing with it, while nerfing everything into the ground and raising the not-OP-level level into the high heavens, making everything but legendaires useless and said legendaries having completely random item drop sources. Either way tho, I think BL2 did it best. Lost of build diversity and allowing random builds to exist as legendaries were not the end all be all. Also allowed of some weird items to make some of the best builds out there
I enjoyed all 3 main games I have probably 100 hours in wonderlands as it was a UI nightmare 2000hr in 3 and 3000hr in 2 .. as of 2024 borderlands 2 is the only game the runs reliably for me even with the game heavily gibbed
I'm glad you communicated that this is strictly about endgame, and I do agree with you. BL2 as a standalone package + the initial DLC is, in my opinion, the GOAT. The main story, the improved mechanics and gameplay from BL1, the massive world, and the introduction to the best villain in the series (And one of the best in all of gaming) helped to elevate BL2 to a different level. Tina's DLC in BL2 alone is a better story than most of the main entries, and that includes BL3, which told a convoluted, rather boring, and oftentimes frustrating story that ended so anticlimactically (e.g. Tyreen boss fight was too easy, Lilith just sacrificing herself with no explanation, giving Sanctuary to Ava, and no ending sequence to celebrate Lilith or anything). However, BL3 makes up for itself with the DLC and endgame, so I will give you that. Endgame-wise, it is the best in the series. Solid video.
@@mathewhosier9739 If a game has built a universe with stipulations thanks to its various characters, then yes, story and characters matter. You don't care about any of the vault hunters? Any of the characters you invested in? How Tiny Tina processed Roland's death via a D&D-type game? For me, clearly more matters in a looter shooter than just the loot and gameplay.
after M2.0 i didn't realy like BL3 that much (the mayhem weapon scaling ruined it for me, you could just start M10, farm some chests or in the end just run arms race and voila, other mayhem levels where absolete) gameplay wise it was great and did have good end game. then TTWL came and the gameplay and weapons where what should have been the case in BL3 M2.0 but like you said, endgame was pretty lacking and the PLC was just glorified chaos dungeons wich was a shame.
Yea, it always felt weird to me that they completely removed unlocking your post-story levels. Though I the other hand, I always felt it was bad that you had to complete some of the hardest content in the game (digi-peak) to unlock them in BL2 Wouldn't have minded a 'chaos trail' like unlocking system in BL3
@@ConstantCanadian i liked digistruct peak but also hated the weapon scaling and that's why i don't understand why they brought it back in BL3 M2.0. in the end the game just became too easy (legendaries dropping like crazy and just gigabuffed) and non legendary weapons where just bad (like they forgot that those where there)
BL3, BL2 raid bosses were too spongey and restrictive. Unless you ran meta they were a total slog and next to impossible. BL3 strikes a much better balance compared to its peers and has many more options to pick from if you include the arenas.
Not only that it wasn’t just raids. In bl3 if you didn’t want to do raids then cool go do trials, do some arms race rounds, go do some repeatable circles of slaughter, or hell go farm some god rolls. That’s why bl3 has the best endgame for me because it simply had more to do. In bl2 if you didn’t want to do raids or digistruct peak then all that’s available is picking another character and doing it all over again
yeah even though bl2 is my favorite game of all time i despised op levels, at least after 5. with garbage mechanics like health gating and slag being absolutely required for anything the game just wasnt enjoyable. also needing to refarm my entire loadout was not fun at all
meant to add that after my first time doing op lvls, my characters after that stayed at level cap because it was more fun to play overall, and imo op levels are completely optional and designed for those specific viable weapons
I get that, the story isn't even necessarily bad, it's just horribly paced. Although it's definitely worth it to just turn off dialog volume and watch some UA-cam or something while you play. Amazing game play is what makes Borderlands 3 great
Just watch a pod cast or something and mindlessly run through it. You don’t have to run through it 3 times which I like in bl2 and I’m glad I didn’t have to for bl3
I’ll give you that the story is pretty mid but the endgame is more than worth it and the dlcs make up for it as well. Probably some of the best dlc stories I’ve ever played. If the story does bother you to the point you won’t touch it no matter what it offers I get that I can’t sympathize though because I never cared about the borderlands story in the first place so I got over it pretty quickly.
What I don’t like about BL3 is the Main story and the amount of legendarys you get. When you play BL3 through the story and farmed some mayhem levels you will swim in legendarys. That’s way I think BL2 did it the best so far. The story was great and the endgame also. Never played OP Levels that much but it is a fun ride from level 1 to endgame. I think it’s bad that the pre sequel was canceled so early. It could be better than BL2 but sadly we will never find out
didn't watch but its obviously borderlands 2, it just has way more stuff. wish bl3 didn't get abandoned, it definitely could have competed or even won the "endgame contest" with more dlcs and raidbosses.
Wow the arrogance and salt coming from you is enough to fill 3 football stadiums. Way more stuff my ass what’s there to do besides raid bosses and peak? Nothing except play the game again.
Meanwhile in bl3 if you didn’t wanna do raids then cool do some arms race rounds, do some trials, do some slaughter maps, farm for god rolls, go loot tink, loot jabber, or golden grog hunting. Sorry man bl2 is great but you are crazy if you think there’s more to do in bl2 then there is in 3.
What do you get in bl2? Well you can either raid or do peak. What’s that you don’t wanna do those? Then… you can.. oh pick a new character and grind to level 80 again. What? You don’t wanna do that? Play something else then idk.
@@nathanhendrickson790 fair i guess, but what if i do want to do raids? there's like, an entire 3. and you definitely don't need god rolled gear to beat any of them so it removes the point of farming for god rolls too.
Just finished watching your vid, and imo the best endgame in Borderlands is BL3. Of course Mayhem 1-10 are a slog but once you get to 11 that's where the endgame starts to be *really* fun. Not only that, but the approach to endgame that BL3 provided with the Mayhem Levels was a lot more welcoming than the previous games. I usually shy away from challenges, therefore I never played any of the games in UVHM and the amount of TVHM playthroughs that I have can be counted on one, maybe two hands despite an abnormal amount of hours put into the games. But climbing the ladder from mayhem 1 to 11, if you ignore the modifiers, felt less like getting challenged and more like getting variations in combat. It didnt even feel like a gateway to the endgame and more like just more Borderlands, if saying that makes sense. Before getting into the mayhem levels i didnt care about BLs endgame, i had my fun with just normal mode and occasionally TVHM for years. Seeing people online obsess over specific gear felt odd and alien to me, i looked at it as a thing for the real die-hards to get into. Only after BL3's mayhem levels i realized how great the franchises endgame can be and since then I've been a lot more open to TVHM runs in the other games. I still shy away from UVHM tho bc everyone says that slag is a must-have in it and being required to have something limits my arsenal and therefore my fun in a way that I dont want to get into lol
BL2 is my favorite for one reason, Krieg. On a sorta unrelated note. Was anyone else's hopes for the Borderlands movie being good dashed when Eli Roth said people might confuse it for another Gaurdians of the Galaxy movie? I've personally never confused Borderlands with GoG. But hey, that's me. PS- I love using Krieg. There's something poetic about dispatching mobs of enemies while chatting about meat bicycles and poop trains.
I agree with most of what you said about both bl2 and bl3, but I completely agree with gearbox about removing dedicated loot drops, they have no place in a looter, the whole point of looters is to use what you get, the randomness is what makes looters special, if you want specific gear then don't play games with random loot drops, absolutely everything in borderlands should be 100% random, im all for mobs and bosses respawning but all dedicated loot drops should be removed
My issues with BL3: Lack of good guns and it feels like build diversity struggles, depending on near or actual god rolls for end game content. Ive got an amazing Moze and Zane but it feels like even builds for specific gun makers are lackluster. Farming iridium is a little tedious and the important uses for it are really expensive versus the utility they provide. Paying 500 iridium for the one proper raid boss is annoying, especially when the drops can be pretty underwhelming. I also think if they had 2 more takedowns and 4-5 more proper raid bosses then the game would be amazing.
Lack of good guns? Unless you’re showing restraint that is just a lie. I don’t have enough hands to count how many great guns there are. Build diversity struggles? Bruh I can build fl4k 4 maybe 5 ways that can solo all endgame content. I can do snipers only thanks to the hunter tree, I can monarch the whole thing with a monarch and stackbot, I can overpower my loader bot and make him beat all the content for me, or I can exploit the bounty hunter and solo everything with the fish slap. By bl2 as great as that game is by level 80 there are only 2 ways you’re gonna end up building a character and 1 way if you plan on doing digistruct peak. Even more so considering with 80 skill points you can almost cap out all three trees. The only thing you’re right about is there could be more raids and takedowns. I agree but the rest I feel like you’re just reaching.
@@nathanhendrickson790 there is definitely a lack of good guns, most of them feel very underwhelming. What are you doing with the Lead Sprinkler or Rosiens Thorn? 😂 Or what about the Powerball? The Sickle is definitely not good if it's not the Boom Sickle and even the Lucian's Call is kinda underwhelming. Even investing into specific rolls for class mods to boost said weapons are pretty meh. And I've played this game since it came out (pre-ordered it, saw it through all the DLCs, and still play it). That's a part of the issue, most guns are BUILD RELIABLE. If it's not something like the Flipper, Torrent, Monarch, Unkempt Harold, or Plasma Coil (I'm not listing out all the good guns) it's only okay. So you play Fl4k which is cool but even my cousin quit playing him because he's underwhelming. Guess you can hate me though for being a Moze player :-) (relying on Iron Cub/Bear seems cheap, I prefer shooting with my own guns versus using them).
@@equinox1223 I know you ain’t sitting there calling the Lucian’s call underwhelming. Dummy, the only underwhelming call weapon is the robins call. Throw it on fl4k with two fang and and infernal wish and it turns a whole room into ash. Also you just contradicted yourself. You start by saying “there’s a lack of good guns” and lo and behold right there in black and white you also say “I’m not listing out all the good guns” meaning there’s a lot of them so which is is it? While yes there is a meta (just like bl2) you don’t need a single one of those guns. I did a whole playthrough without using any of the guns you listed and my enjoyment changed in absolutely zero ways. By the way I used a level 72 mayhem 10 rosens thorns on Wotan and it worked wonders. You thinking fl4k being underwhelming is a matter of opinion I can’t argue that because I know you ain’t gonna change your mind. You’re still wrong as hell. Ultimately all you’re doing is proving me right and your straw grasping isn’t helping your case.
@@nathanhendrickson790 dude go cry me a river, you got butthurt AF. Rolls for class mods are important so hope you got a good one 👍 and I didn't contradict myself at all, there's some good guns, but I don't need to list them all (all doesn't mean a lot, use your head dude). Do you play anyone else besides Fl4k? There are good guns situationally yeah, like tell me you're gonna use the Facepuncher on Zane? Definitely not. Tell me how that Web Slinger is doing tho lmao. You contradicted yourself, I stated my opinion, but that doesn't mean yours is a fact either. So, you're wrong bud. All you're doing is crying like a baby because someone has a different opinion then you. I need you to get all the way up on your tip toes, reach up as far as you can, and knock it tf off.
@@nathanhendrickson790 dude go cry me a river. Rolls for class mods are important so hope you got a good one 👍 and I didn't contradict myself at all, there's some good guns, but I don't need to list them all (all doesn't mean a lot, use your head dude). Do you play anyone else besides Fl4k? There are good guns situationally yeah, like tell me you're gonna use the Facepuncher on Zane? Definitely not. You contradicted yourself, I stated my opinion, but that doesn't mean yours is a fact either. So, you're wrong bud. All you're doing is crying because someone has a different opinion then you. I need you to get all the way up on your tip toes, reach up as far as you can, and knock it off.
Hearing you say that only 10 weapons were viable and that op8 was too difficult while you run around on bl3 one shotting everything is making me kinda sick
OP levels are *NOT* the problem. The lack of balancing *AROUND* the OP levels are the problem. This is a very common misconception that is honestly quite annoying. If Gearbox balanced the gear and skill trees to scale and fit better with the OP levels then the OP levels would be perfectly fine. I honestly really like OP levels too. As an outrageous example, let's say OP10 is way too hard, so they buffed every weapons damage, every shields capacity and regen, and your HP by 10x per OP level. Are OP levels still going to be a problem? Obviously not, and now they'd be a cake walk. Sure, OP levels could be balanced differently themselves, but I think they should stay how they are (except remove OP9 and OP10), and everything else should be re-balanced. This is already what needs to happen anyways because the balance of things even before the OP levels already wasn't great. Take a Bearcat and a DPUH, for example. One is a Pearlescent and one is a Legendary, yet one is clearly light years ahead of the other in terms of damage and usefulness. At OP10 a DPUH is stupidly better. This isn't OP10s fault, this is the Bearcat's damage being horribly unbalanced. Just doubling the damage alone would make the Bearcat significantly better, although, I think it needs a special gimmick to make it more useful as well as more unique, like maybe decent ammo regen, or if ~6 grenades hit an enemy an additional explosion that always crits spawns, or something like that (since it is Pearlescent). Regardless, if they buffed a lot of weapons, grenades, and shields it wouldn't be an issue at all. It all comes down to Gearbox not knowning how to properly balance a game (incompetence and/or lack of care). I love the OP levels, but I don't love how "useless" some Legendary, Seraph, and Pearlescents are, or how some things in the game don't even work as intended. OP levels brought a great challenge to the game which it needed, but it was to an already unbalanced game, which is what really lead to peoples gripe with the game, since it made the imbalance that already existed far more apparent and stick out like a sore thumb. The game was relatively easy before OP levels, with some challenge of course just not anything crazy, which is why this disparaging view became more common amongst people because the jump in difficulty was a lot especially for casuals. Additionally, speaking of, BL3 just like Diablo 4 was very obviously catered towards the casuals. This is why the game is a lot easier and legendaries constantly drop. I personally like BL2's difficulty and hard(er) to get unique gear more appealing because I like a challenge, and I don't mind farming (to an extent, ofc). To be fair, I am a fan of the Souls series and Calamity is one of my favorite mods for Terraria, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that I like some challenge, and farming. BL2's balance may be unbalanced, but it is still a great game, and BL3's balance is also unbalanced as well too, so it's not just BL2. As I said, Gearbox doens't know how to balance a game properly. The Mayhem modifiers are abyssmal, a lot of the game is too easy, and don't get me started on invincibility stages 😤I still enjoy BL3, but it will just never beat BL2 in my opinion. It doesn't have the same charm. Feels more Ubisoft EA Activision corperate-y with less soul, although, the DLCs were great and felt like they actually had soul and actual thought put into it. The base game though, eh, which is very important as that is the foundation, and more. You can't release a pile of skagcrap and then release a 9.5/10 DLC and expect me to say the game is the best ever. Base game matters (base game isn't THAT^ bad, fyi, just an example, although it isn't great). Like I said to another commenter, "BL2 is better as a game overall in my opinion :) like with Fallout 4 and Dark Souls 2, Borderlands 3 is a good game, but not a good Borderlands game (F4 good game, not a good Fallout game - DS2 good game, not a good Dark Souls game)." A lot of the quality of life changes in 3 are nice, and it has some good content, gameplay feels good, some other things, but it has major flaws that should not be so easily ignored. The story is truly awful, for one, but at least the DLCs were immensely better. I need to play BL3 again I have so many builds I want to do, and I'm sure there have been many updates since I last played. Hey, maybe I'll think more highly of it if I played now, depending on what they've done to it since I last played.
The endgame in bl2 sucked, the lack of build variety and the reliance on slag, you are forced to use slag which sucks, I shouldn't be forced to use slag, it completely ruined the endgame
@@jordankerr1 the fact that your forced to use slag in the first place is the problem, slag itself is the biggest issue, it completely ruined the endgame, and it butchered the build variety, at least in bl3 I'm not forced to use a specific element
Bl2 hands down. BL3 is very boring to play through tho. Everything about it just feels repetitive. Especially starting over a new character. The entire feels like homework. If it wasn’t gameplay it would actually be a bad game
Bruh I can say the exact same thing about 2 being repetitive. Go here, shoot that, go there shoot this, go up there, shoot him, go over there shoot that robot, go to the zoo, shoot the bird, go up that hill, shoot those guys, go up another hill, shoot another robot, cross a dessert, shoot more robots, cross the bridge, shoot jack, shoot the monster, rinse and repeat two more times.
I played BL2 for about 100 hours, and once I played BL3, i haven't gone back. Yes, the story in BL3 is bad, but I find that everything else is better. The late game is great, too! I just hop in and play slaughter house or the raid. It is endless fun with a bunch of different builds. People may say that BL2 has a lot of build variaty, but I just dont see it. BL3 rules this category as well
@LARSTAKA-666 that's pretty much how I feel too. Unless you're looking for narrative, BL3 is the way to go
No one in bl3 is as fun as melee Zer0
Yep i agree 👍🏾
I did not jive with BL3 when it dropped and just never got around to finishing. I put hundred of hours in BL2 back in the day and recently I felt like playing some Borderlands so I got BL3. Just finished my first playthrough and this game is far better than the community gives it credit for. The story isnt even that bad, its the just the twins that are cringe and not very good villains. Otherwise, the story is fine and has BL2 quality side missions. It was a little easy but BL3 does a LOT right.
Legendaries we're better in borderlands 2 is frustrating with borderlands 3 it feels like they're just not special anymore or powerful I hope they make them better in the next game and oh my gosh please don't do wonderland style having to do something first to get good loot dropping kills the mood
Honestly with the op levels from Pre-Lilith DLC Bl2, UVHM of Borderlands the Pre-Sequel, Vault Hunters from Pre-Sequels and combining the activities from both BL2 and BL3. That'd be the perfect endgame for me. Most people honestly sleep on how good and fun the Pre-Sequel Vault Hunters are because Pre-Sequel has nothing to do in the endgame.
I do wish bl3 had more raid bosses but I like the added difficulty of building a build that can mob and boss. The true trials are so much fan
The original Borderlands has my absolute favorite raid boss in the entire series (and I mean when you fight him legitimately, without any stupid ledge glitches), has a fantastic set of pearlescent items that are glorious to find, a nice balance that allows every character to handle every piece of content quite fairly and with a very wide selection of gear, and has weapon proficiencies to level through that are so much better than the badass rank crap the later games have. I like the proficiencies because they have a set maximum for every weapon type rather than unlimited bonuses to every attribute of your character, which continuously makes the game easier. BL3 guardian rank is the absolute worst of them all to me as it locks away mechanics that significantly change gameplay, requiring you to boost all of your attributes by a significant amount if you want to use them. It's made even worse by the fact that BL3 is the easiest game in the series before adding all the guardian rank abilities!
Learning to solo Crawmerax the Invincible on each VH was an amazing and rewarding experience for me that I continue to enjoy doing, whereas in BL3 I simply turned on mayhem 11 as soon as I finished normal mode (which was a cakewalk of a campaign), powerleveled my character to 72, and then walked through every single true trial, invincible, slaughter arena, and true takedown on offer and faced little to no challenge. I just bought BL3 2 weeks ago and I believe arms race gave me more of a struggle than anything else in the game lol
Nice book
Yeah my only problem with Craw was that long ass elevator ride but was able to beat him down with my blast master brick and using his action skill exploit for movement speed
bl2 after lilith dlc is a nightmare
and insanely unfun
That is because u cant play i have 2 characters LVL 80 and plus OP 10 including the DLC fight for santuary of Lilith and it's easy you just need the right builds😊
@@tiagoalves2056 I have 3 op10 characters dip shit
It's nothing special
The difficulty is just bullshit
pre-sequel’s endgame is barren, I wish they’d added more content after Claptraps Vovage. I completely burnt out leveling my Fragtrap because the fastest way to level up is replaying the beginning mission over and over again.
@@passivelySCREAMING tps had an awful launch cycle, so it's developing company ended up going under before they could finish making it unfortunately
Never understood the “lack of viability” argument in BL2. With a good build, you can still kill a lot of the toughest enemies with even just purple-rarity weapons. Of course Raid Bosses were different, but it makes sense that killing co-op bosses in an unintended solo fashion would demand much more from you lmao
@aidenwrath1402 there's a difference between being able to kill enemies with a weapon, and it being viable. I beat all of Borderlands 3 with the unforgiven pistol, doesn't make it viable.
@@ConstantCanadianyou poor soul, why would you do that to yourself😂
@@KodasGardencool reload that’s why
@@fazewonderofu6413 damn, that's as good a reason as any
@@ConstantCanadian a lot of the best shotguns are purple rarity Jakobs and rogue shotguns so he’s not wrong lol
Imo OP8 is good but 10 was just unnecessary. every bl game has a flawed endgame, 2s is too overtuned in some aspects while 3s is too easy
I'm on the same page as far as op8 being a decent place to stop. Op10 is just ludicrous
@@ConstantCanadian something I don’t see brought up enough is how money scaling works now in op10 it’s absurd. Grenades cost way too much money
BL2 and BL:TPS always pull me back for their characters. 6 playable per game.
BL2 has 'the most endgame'. But imo the scaling becomes terrible to the point of becoming actively unfun. and I agree, level 61 was fair, everything after was unfun.
BL:TPS has the least endgame. It had my favorite Vault Hunters, and I liked Oz kits more than artifacts. A shame it didn't get all its promised DLC
BL3 has nearly as much end game as BL2, but currently has far less balancing issues. It needed time to balance, but as it stands is great!
Ok so I am back in BL3 after about 5 years. Bought it on launch, completed it with FL4K, started an Amara and dropped the game after that because I didn't really like it (compared to BL2 which I played hundreds of hours).
Now I started a new character (Zane) and want to experience all the content I never saw (DLCs). Was looking on Reddit, trying to fin some guidance, first I saw that there was no UVHM in BL3. And then I also saw that some people reccomend to not even jump into TVHM and just stay in NVHH with Mayhem mode turned on. Is that really a thing ?
Very informative video :) thanks
@@HanzsKlopek yes TVHM is the exact same as normal mode with mayhem turned on. No point in playing tvhm unless you want to replay the story
@@ConstantCanadian thanks. Now I am even more inclined to dive into BL3. You have a new sub my dear fellow canadian :)
Great video man, first time seeing ur channel but glad I came across it 🔥
Thanks dude! Glad to hear you're enjoying it!
Same! Subbing
I actualy prefered BL2 before Lilith DLC. It should've been a free standalone title to drop just before BL3 to get some people on board.
@HanzsKlopek it was actually only released 3 months prior to BL3, and was free for the first little bit. I'm fine with the DLC, I just wish it hadn't added levels and op levels to the game
@@ConstantCanadian Agreed.
I feel like people just don’t consider pre-sequel as a borderlands game for some reason
It is but besides op levels, one “raid boss” and bullying iwojiwa there wasn’t much to do making it a one and done for a lot of players
@@nathanhendrickson790 i mean sure the end game for tps isnt as good as bl2 and you basically just have eos and the wave survival in the claptrap dlc but "wasnt much to do" is funny considering its drawing point is in its replayability which comes from the fact that each character has the best skill trees of any Borderlands which means your guaranteed to have 6 good playthroughs. Also you arent nearly as limited in your choice for how you wanna play because there isnt that much things that are just blatantly so much stronger than everything and super easy to get that it makes it so that there's no point in running anything else. you basically get the same 5 things every bl2 run. Harold, bee shield, lady fist, and the fibber. Also running slag weapons is basically required so im gonna put the grog nozzle in that list as well. Almost every bl2 run is the exact same since the balancing is shite, if they didnt have that endgame than id say gameplay loop wise, its ass but the story of bl2 and the side quest are good. with that being said, the closest thing to bl2 is the pre-sequel. The pre-sequel also has one of the best stories, good side quest, the best dlc in all of borderlands, yet it also has more variety unlike bl2. and it isn't too old like bl1 and is more similar to bl2 than bl3 obviously. tps is basically the battlefield hardline of bl games except battlefield hardline wasnt nearly as good as battlefield 4, its just that when it came out people complained that it wasnt battlefield enough and then years later battlefield 2042 came out lmao. which was basically the same thing that happened to tps.
was excited to hear your opinion up until around the 5 minute mark where you say there are only 10 guns viable at the end game of borderlands 2. This is a misconception that comes down to a lack of knowledge, and nothing more.
Yeah I really hate that misconception, even with OP10 there are still tons of builds for the vault hunters. LV 80 was also really good for Axton since he can grab 2 capstones and still have points for storefront or other grenade buffs in his middle tree.
@@naytny5819 yet you don’t show it
@@nathanhendrickson790show what? Play the game and stop watching UA-camrs, that’s why people think that. Unfortunately that’s game culture now….
@@djnes2k7 if your gonna say something as ridiculous as “every gun is viable at endgame” or “you can one shot graveward with the starter pistol” you’re gonna be expected to back it up otherwise you’re gonna look like a fool.
Oh look it's the gatekeeping jackass again. The person who thinks anyone who prefers bl3 over bl2 is subhuman
I hate how Gearbox SNUBBED Pre Sequel, instead of giving that game another DLC, they gave ANOTHER ONE to BL2 and it ended up being the worst DLC that ruined the end game 💀
Borderlands 2 is my favorite. Love duoing Digi on OP10 with my buddy or doing Murderlin's Temple on Badass diff. Plus the various repeatable raid bosses is awesome. I also believe Tiny Tina's Assault On Dragon Keep is the best DLC in the franchise.
i’m pretty sure Mayhem 11 cuts the bonuses in half compared to 10 but enemy stats remain the same
@@prxphet5330 it was supposed too, and it shows that in the menu, but it's bugged and there is no difference
Ngl, I stopped playing just a few days after Wonderlands released bc of lack of farming. I just recently downloaded the Reduz mod and holy crap it genuinely made it the best game in the franchise for me.
Tbh, if Wonderlands had a TVHM it would be one of my fav games of the franchise.
But without it, something important is missing.
Right now, I enjoy 3 the most, fun gameplay, nice weapons and it's just fun in general.
Also has the best Endgame so far in my opinion.
But Borderlands 2 has a special place in my heart, I played it thousands of hours and love it to this day.
Wonderlands builds are just too fun for me to not rate it as the best. Interesting builds and playstyles are important. In terms of pure gameplay Wonderlands is clearly the best
Hmm I really enjoy 3 but i think its too easy. I like Mayhem Mode because it provides difficulty. BL3 Maliwan Takedown = Bl2 Digistruck Peak. Bl3 Best Slaughter is Slaughter Shaft = Bl2 Murderlins Temple. Bl3 only 2 real raid bosses Anathema and Hemo = Bl2 8 real raid bosses Ancient Dragons, Pyro Pete, Vermi, Vorac, Hyperious, Crawmerax, Terramorphous and Haderax. Bl2 enemies are better bl3 combat is better
TPS and TTW are the best balancing and character wise. It just sucks that they have nothing to play with because of the serious lack of content.
I love the voice cracks throughout the video 😂. Awesome video man I loved it. Voice cracks were just icing on the cake 👏👏
@zabusworld7543 haha thanks dude!
The claptastic voyage IS the best DLC in the franchise
each of the Borderlands games did something better than the others. Borderlands had the best loot structure. Borderlands 2 had the best story and content. Borderlands 3 had the best gameplay
So 4 just needs to be a combo of those 3. That would be a dream
@@ConstantCanadianwith how the movie went i’m not too sure that will happen, but one can only hope 😭🙏
Those voice cracks while talking about wonderlands cracked me up. I miss the young days.
Hey, great to see a video from you again after a year.
I love your Borderlands content and your down-to-earth Canadian style!
Thanks dude! It's good to be back
Your bl2 op8 levels with 10 guns viable is a joke. Most purple guns or better were fine and even blue non red text guns would work fine
Based derch
What you have to realize is when people say only [insert number] of guns work, Moxxi [Grog] weapons are required, Axton and Krieg are garbage, etc. and it just isn't fun, that means they have little play time at high OP levels (for obvious reasons, they don't find it fun), so they are ignorant about many things, including the nuances of this subject. Honestly, I think the average person, or at least Borderlands player, is just bad or ok at video games, so Borderlands OP levels were just too much for the casuals, causing them to leave before actually experimenting around and finding different builds that worked (even if it's a build that barely worked). I mean yeah, many builds can't do some of the raid bosses, but there's more build variety than what many make it out to be. Half the player base more than likely has never even played every character (most Sal only) and for the few playthroughs they did do, they just used a DPUH or something like an Infinity and haven't even heard of half the gear that exists in the game. They might of made it to like OP3, but then they stopped because the game is too hard and unfair, while they use underleveled sht gear with a terrible skill tree that doesn't synergize well with their gear lmao
Additionally, it isn't that the OP levels are completely unfair and broken, it's that the gear and skill trees aren't balanced around the OP levels. If they balanced the gear and skill trees properly then OP levels wouldn't be a problem at all, like literally at all, so I think this blaming of OP levels is an unfair criticism, as the real blame lies with everything that existed before it. Although, OP levels aren't the problem, I do wish they just left it at level 72 OP8, since upping it is just artificial challenge and gave more skill points than what we should of had.
derch please come back and upload
@@Luddo-couldn't agree more
I'm a big BL2 fan, but even i can't deny how great the gun and build diversity at Endgame in BL3 compare to BL2's, you can build around almost any gun or build you think is fun or cool and make them work on takedown, i think it really hit a really good spot with this kind of diversity for a looter shooter that love to mark themself has different variations of weapons in the game
I know some people think BL2's endgame design is difficult and fun to them, i can see why and respect this opinion, but for a gameseries that most of gameplay formula are basically taking down enemy ASAP bc you don't really have any way to dodge hitscan attack, i think BL3's Endgame is not perfect but atleast the right direction with this kind of formula.
As for TPS, suffering from lack of endgame is just upsetting bc i would said it has some of the best character skill trees in the series imo.
I hate digi peak. I like the concept, but holy shit. The other day i died on OP 6 4 times on the finale assassin. They should have put a check point right before the finale boss room or even at like 70% of the way through.
It sucks to run through that massive gauntlet solo against all those enemies and mini bosses, just to fet fucked up by the last enemies and lose all your progress.
@vaultboya6253 even worse when it's some random pup skag knocking you off a cliff
I haven't played BL3 yet(poor PC) but idk the end game of BL3 looks kinda boring from the footage 😅 plus the build itself looks boring (just spam bomb active skill and just shoot?) and so much visual noise, that's probably why I won't replay BL3 end gamr too much, so much visual glitter is ehh
Maybe it's just my bias but I swear the build variety was at it's strongest in pre sequel, if ONLY we just got more DLCs so we had more of an end game 😭
BL2 has the only endgame bosses that my friends and I have ever struggled with.
Better endgame bosses / dedicated loots goes to BL2. BL3 had better gameplay and balanced characters and build diversity. Biggest gripe for BL3 for me was so many different factors for an item. ei annointmenta/parts/elements. makes it so hard to farm for endgame item. add to that that the legendary loot pool is so bloated.
I thought u would mention the holo dome from the presequel o loved that map
I can’t stand BL2 endgame. I prefer BL3 overall. I really like BL2 endgame at about lv50 (original cap).
Content wise of 1 2 and 3 imo 1 lacked ALL around. 2 had a LOT of endgame variety a lot of stuff to try out gear wise. Many dlcs adding more variety. 3 just feels lacking anything past running through the story and dlcs maybe grinding vault cards for awhile. Wonderlands got BORING postgame quick and its postgame growth felt limited
Holodome, mutator arena and Murderlins temple were replayable at least, I do wish finks and Hyperion were replayable it sucks having to use gibbed for it. 11:17
Wow, I discovered a reasonable hardcore BL fan. I thought we were going extinct. Good video friend! Subbed to your channel.
Been playing borderlands for over a decade now, pretty crazy how elitist the community has gotten recently
@@ConstantCanadian Yeah I started on BL1 release day and pretty much have been on and off all the games (except Wonderlands) for several thousands of hours. Keep doing good content!
Yeah this community is in shambles. The soulsborne community is way more put together but the borderlands community went from a community to just two groups of people trying to “gotcha” each other (mak and hellfire)
@@nathanhendrickson790 I actually just started my first (kinda) Soulsbourne with Remnant 2. As a BL fan, Remnant is a fantastic way to transition into that kind of game. Great game.
@@Tysonyar fantastic game though a better introduction would Elden rings since it really is the easiest and fairest souls game
My personal favorite is bl1 well balanced nice raid boss true vault hunter the farming was a lil hard cuz no designated legendary drops but the claptrap dlc chest room and knoxx dlc is good enough for me.
Endgame for Borderlands 2 is running through with different challenge characters.
Why would you not pair the games you are discussing with gameplay from those games?
Now there's something that always frustrated me with the borderland community, by listening to youtubers your under the impression that borderlands 2 end game is op10 or 8 if you don't have lilith dlc,
But op levels are an option, op0 is your oarticulr cup of tea ? Well than stay at op0 you won't be missing any content and have all the fun you want,
Op6 seems unfair and op5 is where u feel comfortable well play op5 then, you can farm there and have all the fun u want with that level of difficulty and if you ever get bored you know you can try to push yourself even further with OP6, 7 or 10
want to feol like a god walking on earth ? Well go farm op10 stuff and play op0 with op10 gear, its all up to you and how YOU want to play at no point the game tells you that you HAVE to be OP10 to enjoy the content, you don't unlock anything other than a certain sense of pride and accomplishment so...
And lastly want to show the world your a little coward play sal with pimp+ahab plus modded storm front (yes i hate those kind of player 😂)
I like 3's endgame, but I'd rather play a new BL2 chaeacter through 3 playthoughs and level to 80 than go through the drag of bl3's story even 1 more time.
3 is the only endgame I even bothered engaging with. 1 was boring, 2 didn’t push the dog aspects if the game which are my favorite, TPS had no endgame and in comparison 3’s is just easier
I always forget wonderlands has endgame, then i remember *most of it is endgame*
bl3 wouldnt be so bad if it was actually hard plus farming for Legendary is non existing non bosses drop Legendary gear so im playing bl2 still i just miss ultimate vault hunter mode
All the end games are fun it’s just that bl3 is better because any build works and while there should be more takedowns and raids the fact you don’t have to run the entire map to fight one raid boss for drops is just a quality of life that makes it better for console players especially since bl2 pc players can download mods while console can’t
I would also like to add I dislike how most content creators only do content on bl2 and sometimes 1 I like when content creators actually give the other games props when it deserves props for what they added to the game and the quality of life they added to the game like making the lost loot machine (that could use some work) or the grinder or how they merged the bank and stash together
I mean it all comes down to taste but while I do enjoy the gameplay of BL3, the games way to easy, and legendaries don’t really feel rare because of how easy they are to get. Say what you want about BL2 but it’s a big grind to get to UVHM and those OP levels but you can feel really accomplished when you do it. When you have a really well put together build that gets through that hard content and you have all those hard to get weapons. It isn’t perfect because I do believe drop rates for weapons could’ve been buffed slightly and I also think the introduction of other elements was good while removing slag so that people wouldn’t have to rely on it as heavily as you had to in BL2. Overall BL3 is extremely easy and loot means nothing because of how easy it is to get. Literally got a legendary in my first side mission when I’m BL2, I’d have to get lucky if any bosses dropped a weapon but like I said it’s all personal taste which is why most content creators make BL2 content because it just has so much more content and a higher skill ceiling.
my favorite game is borderlands 2, and I wish he mentioned when 50 was the max lvl. I was also hoping to hear him mention the bee and conference call.
Honestly, by the time I finally picked up Borderlands 2 and all the DLC level 61 was the cap, so I have 0 experience playing this game at level 50
2 is my favorite but I have to choose 2 because of all the guns and I’m a gun freak
Bl3 has the best balance for solo.
For me bl3 has the best endgame out of all of them. Yeah bl2 had more raid bosses but unless you always had a group to play with, played as salvadore, had the top of top tier weapons or you put over 2 million hours into the game and know every raid down to the pixel, you’re pretty much just sticking to exploits and cheese which is just boring. In bl3 there’s no need to cheese even if you scale the raids to four player difficulty it’s balanced so much better to the point of a tough but fair challenge. And even if you didn’t want to do raids that fine too go do the seasonal content, knock out some slaughter maps, do some arms race runs, farm for god rolls, do some side quests, do some proving grounds. In bl2 if you didn’t want to do raids then besides farming or some DLCs there really isn’t much to do so the only way you’re gonna extend your playtime is starting a new character and doing it all over again. I spent a whole year as fl4k without ever feeling bored and only decided to play as another character last week. Bl2 is a great game but its endgame doesn’t hold a candle to 3s. It would if it was balanced better though.
I think the biggest difference there is.that Borderlands 3 gives us WAY more in terms if survivability. Whereas in borderlands 2, unless you had your moxxi weapon switching perfected, you were basically dead before you even began.
@@ConstantCanadian I think Is what you meant is borderlands 3 is a joke of a game, and a 5 year old could beat it.
@brandon9621 no, your just coping because you know bl3 is the better game, better gunplay and movement, twice as much loot, no slag, more part variations, more elements, 4 skill trees and 4 action skills for each vault hunter, bigger game with multiple planets, twice as many maps and missions, better enemy variety, more build variety, 4k60fps or HD120fps, VRR, the list goes on and on, almost everything that has to do with what's most important in a looter shooter being gameplay, mechanics and overall design is better in bl3
@@brandon9621 man shut up you’re just mad cause your ass is old
@@mathewhosier9739 like I said corky, a 5 year old could beat in on mayhem 11. Those things are meaningless when the game is so fucking easy. Trying playing op 10 bl2 chump
in BL1 i found that you can deactivate the armory detonation timer.
BL3's story makes me wanna either avoid it or play it with voice on mute.
its bl3. havnt watched yet but that must be the answer. im a bit of a bl2er but youre not convincing a 10 year old to play bl2 but they prolly wanna play bl3 if they see it
yea obviously totally agree with you. i will say some kind of wonderlands-esk build diversity because there were so many ways to play that game, with bl3 end game would make bl4 the game of the year. here to hoping they dont do that plc shit with bl4
Im glad you liked Borderlands 3. In a way, the game got worse for me on how BL2 got worse for you. In fact, for me, it was the death of the franchise. To me, Borderlands was never about farming, but taking new items and combining them into something crazy. you could create builds with blue weapons. While OP levels did hurt the final peice of BL2, it only hurt if you tried to get to OP10. For the rest of the game, it was amazing and tons of endgame activities to do.
BL3 had tons of endgame that was left to die in favor of mode that required the best gear, gear that would get nerfed into the ground every week. The DLC i never bought because they sold back the nerfs into new guns behind a paywall. Something BL2 never did because it instead opened new avenues of power. Theres was no new Pimpernail, no new sandhawk...they were powerful and unique when you got them. But mostly, BL3 was a show of Gearbox's colors because how tonedeaf they were to the community.
Tiny Tina I left before they could go on a nerfing spree again but if there is a medal for worst endgame, its that because of all the reason's stated all leading to one thing: lost potential. A chamber locked away with some of the craziest DnD unbalanced ideas ever conceived by one of the unhinged minds in the franchise...done absolutely nothing with it, while nerfing everything into the ground and raising the not-OP-level level into the high heavens, making everything but legendaires useless and said legendaries having completely random item drop sources. Either way tho, I think BL2 did it best. Lost of build diversity and allowing random builds to exist as legendaries were not the end all be all. Also allowed of some weird items to make some of the best builds out there
"I'll try to be objective" (3 mins of lies)
Curious to know where I lied in this video, lmk.
I enjoyed all 3 main games I have probably 100 hours in wonderlands as it was a UI nightmare 2000hr in 3 and 3000hr in 2 .. as of 2024 borderlands 2 is the only game the runs reliably for me even with the game heavily gibbed
I'm glad you communicated that this is strictly about endgame, and I do agree with you. BL2 as a standalone package + the initial DLC is, in my opinion, the GOAT. The main story, the improved mechanics and gameplay from BL1, the massive world, and the introduction to the best villain in the series (And one of the best in all of gaming) helped to elevate BL2 to a different level. Tina's DLC in BL2 alone is a better story than most of the main entries, and that includes BL3, which told a convoluted, rather boring, and oftentimes frustrating story that ended so anticlimactically (e.g. Tyreen boss fight was too easy, Lilith just sacrificing herself with no explanation, giving Sanctuary to Ava, and no ending sequence to celebrate Lilith or anything). However, BL3 makes up for itself with the DLC and endgame, so I will give you that. Endgame-wise, it is the best in the series. Solid video.
Thanks dude!
Who cares about story and characters in looter shooters, all that matters is loot and gameplay
@@mathewhosier9739 If a game has built a universe with stipulations thanks to its various characters, then yes, story and characters matter. You don't care about any of the vault hunters? Any of the characters you invested in? How Tiny Tina processed Roland's death via a D&D-type game? For me, clearly more matters in a looter shooter than just the loot and gameplay.
after M2.0 i didn't realy like BL3 that much (the mayhem weapon scaling ruined it for me, you could just start M10, farm some chests or in the end just run arms race and voila, other mayhem levels where absolete) gameplay wise it was great and did have good end game. then TTWL came and the gameplay and weapons where what should have been the case in BL3 M2.0 but like you said, endgame was pretty lacking and the PLC was just glorified chaos dungeons wich was a shame.
Yea, it always felt weird to me that they completely removed unlocking your post-story levels. Though I the other hand, I always felt it was bad that you had to complete some of the hardest content in the game (digi-peak) to unlock them in BL2
Wouldn't have minded a 'chaos trail' like unlocking system in BL3
@@ConstantCanadian i liked digistruct peak but also hated the weapon scaling and that's why i don't understand why they brought it back in BL3 M2.0.
in the end the game just became too easy (legendaries dropping like crazy and just gigabuffed) and non legendary weapons where just bad (like they forgot that those where there)
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BL3, BL2 raid bosses were too spongey and restrictive. Unless you ran meta they were a total slog and next to impossible. BL3 strikes a much better balance compared to its peers and has many more options to pick from if you include the arenas.
Not only that it wasn’t just raids. In bl3 if you didn’t want to do raids then cool go do trials, do some arms race rounds, go do some repeatable circles of slaughter, or hell go farm some god rolls. That’s why bl3 has the best endgame for me because it simply had more to do. In bl2 if you didn’t want to do raids or digistruct peak then all that’s available is picking another character and doing it all over again
I havent watched the video yet but my guess is bl3 endgame is best. This is my opinion
I like the topics you cover but lack of visuals on the subject. This is youtube, make videos.
yeah even though bl2 is my favorite game of all time i despised op levels, at least after 5. with garbage mechanics like health gating and slag being absolutely required for anything the game just wasnt enjoyable. also needing to refarm my entire loadout was not fun at all
meant to add that after my first time doing op lvls, my characters after that stayed at level cap because it was more fun to play overall, and imo op levels are completely optional and designed for those specific viable weapons
Borderlands 2 i have more then 1000 hours in that game
I skipped bl3 because of the main story
I get that, the story isn't even necessarily bad, it's just horribly paced. Although it's definitely worth it to just turn off dialog volume and watch some UA-cam or something while you play. Amazing game play is what makes Borderlands 3 great
Just watch a pod cast or something and mindlessly run through it. You don’t have to run through it 3 times which I like in bl2 and I’m glad I didn’t have to for bl3
Pretty good points
I’ll give you that the story is pretty mid but the endgame is more than worth it and the dlcs make up for it as well. Probably some of the best dlc stories I’ve ever played.
If the story does bother you to the point you won’t touch it no matter what it offers I get that I can’t sympathize though because I never cared about the borderlands story in the first place so I got over it pretty quickly.
I don't play looter shooters for story, it's a video game, not a movie
BL3 best gameplay in the series
Straight up it's not 2
What I don’t like about BL3 is the Main story and the amount of legendarys you get. When you play BL3 through the story and farmed some mayhem levels you will swim in legendarys. That’s way I think BL2 did it the best so far. The story was great and the endgame also. Never played OP Levels that much but it is a fun ride from level 1 to endgame. I think it’s bad that the pre sequel was canceled so early. It could be better than BL2 but sadly we will never find out
didn't watch but its obviously borderlands 2, it just has way more stuff. wish bl3 didn't get abandoned, it definitely could have competed or even won the "endgame contest" with more dlcs and raidbosses.
Wow the arrogance and salt coming from you is enough to fill 3 football stadiums. Way more stuff my ass what’s there to do besides raid bosses and peak? Nothing except play the game again.
Meanwhile in bl3 if you didn’t wanna do raids then cool do some arms race rounds, do some trials, do some slaughter maps, farm for god rolls, go loot tink, loot jabber, or golden grog hunting. Sorry man bl2 is great but you are crazy if you think there’s more to do in bl2 then there is in 3.
What do you get in bl2? Well you can either raid or do peak. What’s that you don’t wanna do those? Then… you can.. oh pick a new character and grind to level 80 again. What? You don’t wanna do that? Play something else then idk.
@@nathanhendrickson790 fair i guess, but what if i do want to do raids? there's like, an entire 3. and you definitely don't need god rolled gear to beat any of them so it removes the point of farming for god rolls too.
@@notskrub7013 so what? You don’t need god rolls to do raids in 2 either. Especially when it’s laughably easy to exploit and cheese them
Just finished watching your vid, and imo the best endgame in Borderlands is BL3. Of course Mayhem 1-10 are a slog but once you get to 11 that's where the endgame starts to be *really* fun. Not only that, but the approach to endgame that BL3 provided with the Mayhem Levels was a lot more welcoming than the previous games. I usually shy away from challenges, therefore I never played any of the games in UVHM and the amount of TVHM playthroughs that I have can be counted on one, maybe two hands despite an abnormal amount of hours put into the games. But climbing the ladder from mayhem 1 to 11, if you ignore the modifiers, felt less like getting challenged and more like getting variations in combat. It didnt even feel like a gateway to the endgame and more like just more Borderlands, if saying that makes sense. Before getting into the mayhem levels i didnt care about BLs endgame, i had my fun with just normal mode and occasionally TVHM for years. Seeing people online obsess over specific gear felt odd and alien to me, i looked at it as a thing for the real die-hards to get into. Only after BL3's mayhem levels i realized how great the franchises endgame can be and since then I've been a lot more open to TVHM runs in the other games. I still shy away from UVHM tho bc everyone says that slag is a must-have in it and being required to have something limits my arsenal and therefore my fun in a way that I dont want to get into lol
BL2 is my favorite for one reason, Krieg.
On a sorta unrelated note. Was anyone else's hopes for the Borderlands movie being good dashed when Eli Roth said people might confuse it for another Gaurdians of the Galaxy movie? I've personally never confused Borderlands with GoG. But hey, that's me.
PS- I love using Krieg. There's something poetic about dispatching mobs of enemies while chatting about meat bicycles and poop trains.
@@TizbutaScratch it took you THAT long to lose hope?
@@ConstantCanadian I was trying to be optimistic.
I agree with most of what you said about both bl2 and bl3, but I completely agree with gearbox about removing dedicated loot drops, they have no place in a looter, the whole point of looters is to use what you get, the randomness is what makes looters special, if you want specific gear then don't play games with random loot drops, absolutely everything in borderlands should be 100% random, im all for mobs and bosses respawning but all dedicated loot drops should be removed
You realize you dont have to play on op 10 right? Its all optional.
Clearly the best is TPS 😂
My issues with BL3:
Lack of good guns and it feels like build diversity struggles, depending on near or actual god rolls for end game content. Ive got an amazing Moze and Zane but it feels like even builds for specific gun makers are lackluster.
Farming iridium is a little tedious and the important uses for it are really expensive versus the utility they provide. Paying 500 iridium for the one proper raid boss is annoying, especially when the drops can be pretty underwhelming.
I also think if they had 2 more takedowns and 4-5 more proper raid bosses then the game would be amazing.
Lack of good guns? Unless you’re showing restraint that is just a lie. I don’t have enough hands to count how many great guns there are.
Build diversity struggles? Bruh I can build fl4k 4 maybe 5 ways that can solo all endgame content. I can do snipers only thanks to the hunter tree, I can monarch the whole thing with a monarch and stackbot, I can overpower my loader bot and make him beat all the content for me, or I can exploit the bounty hunter and solo everything with the fish slap. By bl2 as great as that game is by level 80 there are only 2 ways you’re gonna end up building a character and 1 way if you plan on doing digistruct peak. Even more so considering with 80 skill points you can almost cap out all three trees.
The only thing you’re right about is there could be more raids and takedowns. I agree but the rest I feel like you’re just reaching.
@@nathanhendrickson790 there is definitely a lack of good guns, most of them feel very underwhelming. What are you doing with the Lead Sprinkler or Rosiens Thorn? 😂 Or what about the Powerball? The Sickle is definitely not good if it's not the Boom Sickle and even the Lucian's Call is kinda underwhelming. Even investing into specific rolls for class mods to boost said weapons are pretty meh. And I've played this game since it came out (pre-ordered it, saw it through all the DLCs, and still play it). That's a part of the issue, most guns are BUILD RELIABLE. If it's not something like the Flipper, Torrent, Monarch, Unkempt Harold, or Plasma Coil (I'm not listing out all the good guns) it's only okay. So you play Fl4k which is cool but even my cousin quit playing him because he's underwhelming. Guess you can hate me though for being a Moze player :-) (relying on Iron Cub/Bear seems cheap, I prefer shooting with my own guns versus using them).
@@equinox1223 I know you ain’t sitting there calling the Lucian’s call underwhelming. Dummy, the only underwhelming call weapon is the robins call. Throw it on fl4k with two fang and and infernal wish and it turns a whole room into ash.
Also you just contradicted yourself. You start by saying “there’s a lack of good guns” and lo and behold right there in black and white you also say “I’m not listing out all the good guns” meaning there’s a lot of them so which is is it? While yes there is a meta (just like bl2) you don’t need a single one of those guns. I did a whole playthrough without using any of the guns you listed and my enjoyment changed in absolutely zero ways. By the way I used a level 72 mayhem 10 rosens thorns on Wotan and it worked wonders.
You thinking fl4k being underwhelming is a matter of opinion I can’t argue that because I know you ain’t gonna change your mind. You’re still wrong as hell.
Ultimately all you’re doing is proving me right and your straw grasping isn’t helping your case.
@@nathanhendrickson790 dude go cry me a river, you got butthurt AF. Rolls for class mods are important so hope you got a good one 👍 and I didn't contradict myself at all, there's some good guns, but I don't need to list them all (all doesn't mean a lot, use your head dude). Do you play anyone else besides Fl4k? There are good guns situationally yeah, like tell me you're gonna use the Facepuncher on Zane? Definitely not. Tell me how that Web Slinger is doing tho lmao.
You contradicted yourself, I stated my opinion, but that doesn't mean yours is a fact either. So, you're wrong bud.
All you're doing is crying like a baby because someone has a different opinion then you.
I need you to get all the way up on your tip toes, reach up as far as you can, and knock it tf off.
@@nathanhendrickson790 dude go cry me a river. Rolls for class mods are important so hope you got a good one 👍 and I didn't contradict myself at all, there's some good guns, but I don't need to list them all (all doesn't mean a lot, use your head dude). Do you play anyone else besides Fl4k? There are good guns situationally yeah, like tell me you're gonna use the Facepuncher on Zane? Definitely not.
You contradicted yourself, I stated my opinion, but that doesn't mean yours is a fact either. So, you're wrong bud. All you're doing is crying because someone has a different opinion then you.
I need you to get all the way up on your tip toes, reach up as far as you can, and knock it off.
Hearing you say that only 10 weapons were viable and that op8 was too difficult while you run around on bl3 one shotting everything is making me kinda sick
OP levels are *NOT* the problem. The lack of balancing *AROUND* the OP levels are the problem. This is a very common misconception that is honestly quite annoying. If Gearbox balanced the gear and skill trees to scale and fit better with the OP levels then the OP levels would be perfectly fine. I honestly really like OP levels too. As an outrageous example, let's say OP10 is way too hard, so they buffed every weapons damage, every shields capacity and regen, and your HP by 10x per OP level. Are OP levels still going to be a problem? Obviously not, and now they'd be a cake walk. Sure, OP levels could be balanced differently themselves, but I think they should stay how they are (except remove OP9 and OP10), and everything else should be re-balanced. This is already what needs to happen anyways because the balance of things even before the OP levels already wasn't great. Take a Bearcat and a DPUH, for example. One is a Pearlescent and one is a Legendary, yet one is clearly light years ahead of the other in terms of damage and usefulness. At OP10 a DPUH is stupidly better. This isn't OP10s fault, this is the Bearcat's damage being horribly unbalanced. Just doubling the damage alone would make the Bearcat significantly better, although, I think it needs a special gimmick to make it more useful as well as more unique, like maybe decent ammo regen, or if ~6 grenades hit an enemy an additional explosion that always crits spawns, or something like that (since it is Pearlescent). Regardless, if they buffed a lot of weapons, grenades, and shields it wouldn't be an issue at all. It all comes down to Gearbox not knowning how to properly balance a game (incompetence and/or lack of care). I love the OP levels, but I don't love how "useless" some Legendary, Seraph, and Pearlescents are, or how some things in the game don't even work as intended. OP levels brought a great challenge to the game which it needed, but it was to an already unbalanced game, which is what really lead to peoples gripe with the game, since it made the imbalance that already existed far more apparent and stick out like a sore thumb. The game was relatively easy before OP levels, with some challenge of course just not anything crazy, which is why this disparaging view became more common amongst people because the jump in difficulty was a lot especially for casuals.
Additionally, speaking of, BL3 just like Diablo 4 was very obviously catered towards the casuals. This is why the game is a lot easier and legendaries constantly drop. I personally like BL2's difficulty and hard(er) to get unique gear more appealing because I like a challenge, and I don't mind farming (to an extent, ofc). To be fair, I am a fan of the Souls series and Calamity is one of my favorite mods for Terraria, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that I like some challenge, and farming. BL2's balance may be unbalanced, but it is still a great game, and BL3's balance is also unbalanced as well too, so it's not just BL2. As I said, Gearbox doens't know how to balance a game properly. The Mayhem modifiers are abyssmal, a lot of the game is too easy, and don't get me started on invincibility stages 😤I still enjoy BL3, but it will just never beat BL2 in my opinion. It doesn't have the same charm. Feels more Ubisoft EA Activision corperate-y with less soul, although, the DLCs were great and felt like they actually had soul and actual thought put into it. The base game though, eh, which is very important as that is the foundation, and more. You can't release a pile of skagcrap and then release a 9.5/10 DLC and expect me to say the game is the best ever. Base game matters (base game isn't THAT^ bad, fyi, just an example, although it isn't great). Like I said to another commenter, "BL2 is better as a game overall in my opinion :) like with Fallout 4 and Dark Souls 2, Borderlands 3 is a good game, but not a good Borderlands game (F4 good game, not a good Fallout game - DS2 good game, not a good Dark Souls game)." A lot of the quality of life changes in 3 are nice, and it has some good content, gameplay feels good, some other things, but it has major flaws that should not be so easily ignored. The story is truly awful, for one, but at least the DLCs were immensely better. I need to play BL3 again I have so many builds I want to do, and I'm sure there have been many updates since I last played. Hey, maybe I'll think more highly of it if I played now, depending on what they've done to it since I last played.
Bl2 for me
Fair
The endgame in bl2 sucked, the lack of build variety and the reliance on slag, you are forced to use slag which sucks, I shouldn't be forced to use slag, it completely ruined the endgame
@@mathewhosier9739 to some it’s an annoyance to some it’s a fun part and an extra mechanic. To each their own
I mean every vault hunter has a built in way to slag and uvhm has way higher weapon swap speed to compensate
@@jordankerr1 the fact that your forced to use slag in the first place is the problem, slag itself is the biggest issue, it completely ruined the endgame, and it butchered the build variety, at least in bl3 I'm not forced to use a specific element
Bl2 hands down. BL3 is very boring to play through tho. Everything about it just feels repetitive. Especially starting over a new character. The entire feels like homework. If it wasn’t gameplay it would actually be a bad game
Bruh I can say the exact same thing about 2 being repetitive. Go here, shoot that, go there shoot this, go up there, shoot him, go over there shoot that robot, go to the zoo, shoot the bird, go up that hill, shoot those guys, go up another hill, shoot another robot, cross a dessert, shoot more robots, cross the bridge, shoot jack, shoot the monster, rinse and repeat two more times.
You wanna hate on 3? Fine but don’t do it if you’re gonna look the other way when bl2 does the exact same thing
Next time, maybe use appropriate footage while talking about the games. Why are you showing BL3 gameplay while talking about BL1?