You can see why Gene has been called in to fill in for a lot of bands. Besides being an awesome drummer he just seems like an all around good guy and a good hang.
That's how I knew that Dino Cazares is a shitty person, cause Gene has been playing with so many bands and never had any problems. He's able to fit in and do his work perfectly. So when they basically kicked him out from FF, that's when I realised that Dino is not just a "complicated person".
@@deran1983 yeah FF has always been one of my favorite bands and Dino a big influence on my rhythm playing. He’s got that bionic right hand from the future lol. He always seems cool in interviews, but yeah sounds like working with him is the issue. It’s like Taylor Swift running through boyfriends then boo-hooing in her music. After so many you’re like, "no honey…you’re the problem.” Lol
@@travislee9662 yes, I agree. No doubt Dino is a great guitarist with distinctive style and he has created (or helped to create) a whole genre. But 4 out of 4 former members said he's a piece of s**t, which kinda seems to be the truth. I even think that the lyrics from Archetype are about him ("the infection has been removed, the soul of this machine has improved").
The southern friendliness and warmth of Gene and the humility of the northern Swede make for such a cultural encounter. All these compliments are complicated to digest for Tomas. 😄
@@Sasquatch33 Vinni Paul. Hell Yeah. Vinnie is basically the definition of Groove Metal. Love Danny as well but I don't groove to his playing that much.
So much mutual respect and appreciation between these drumming giants! What a motivation both those guys have been over many years to keep practicing and also be a kind, respectful and humble person!
It's like widely acknowledged that Mesguggah created a whole new genre of music/metal, and Haake is right in the center of that. And Hoglan is like obviously a huge influence, absolute legend, playing tech double pedal with the boots and old pedals just because fuck you.
"Just because fuck you" is a very apt description of how we felt when Dark Angel released Darkness Descends back in '86. Haake and Hoglan are both living legends.
Dont forget the weights!! Hoglan is an goddamn animal, and packin alot of weight himself in his former days which also adds to the insaness. But his work with Death on ITP and Symbolic in my mind is probably some of the best extreme metal drumming ever recorded. OFC Haake is insane aswell, never got into Meshuggah tho, to much math involved LOL
@@rishabhbose29 Gene gave him tips on double bass drumming during the recording of Haunting the Chapel, and Gene had to hold Daves kit together as he played it because there was no carpet in the studio, and the China cymbal in Chemical Warfare is Genes'
Even though Strapping is over, Gene still hangs out in Vancouver all the time. He's never been anything but a great person every single time I've talked to him.
Anyone else skip this vid as soon as Thomas mentions the 7 year old kid and go and find him?! My heads been blown away by that kids drum cover. Am back here now to enjoy the rest of this drum chat!
I've met both of these guys and they are physically huge dudes. I still have no idea how they manage to play that level of speed and surgical precision at their age with that much flesh to sling around. Absolute legends.
Bro, I could listen to these guys talk drums forever. Like every day. Especially if they were talking technical stuff. Literally, from gear to practice routine, to specific riffs...like everything. These are two of the hardest working, respected, and best metal drummers of all time. I want a Netflix series. Call it "the haake gene". Sign me up, boys. Let's go!
I will never forget buying the "None" EP on compact disc and cranking it in my car on the way home from school. Around 1994 I believe. Then 1995 brought Destroy Erase Improve AND Death's Symbolic! My teenage years are all but defined by such albums. I eternally praise the metal deities for having been brought up during such a period of musical ingenuity.
This is how drummers interact no egos no competitions just exchanging ideas and explanations techniques and admiration for one another this is the how we roll 🥁🤣 in the drumming community
I remember hearing Perpetual Black Second when I was maybe 13 years old. My brain couldn't comprehend the rhythm so the timing just sounded random to me. Years later it clicked out of nowhere, I actually "got" the rhythm and understood why people like the band so much, besides being heavy as balls. I still love table-drumming to the song while listening
Thanks for this - excellent moment you captured for us. Also the Sean Reinert doco is absolutely fantastic - essential viewing for anyone interested in percussive arts 🤙
Skeksis is such a sick shout out. What a fucking song. The whole "Alien" album with him and Dev is a fucking blaster. 2 absolute giants just chilling and chatting, I love it.
These guys are so great at what they do because the instrument is an extension of their personality. The drumset represents everything you dont see without it. Like Neil Peart. Humble, intelligent, well read and spoken, analytical. But behind the kit, they open up into their final form. Its why I vibe so much with their styles, I totally get it
Gene is the man. But he’s right. Tomas has been the guiding light for modern progressive heavy drumming for 25 years, long before anyone co-opted his now ubiquitous style, which remains wholly unrivalled.
i don't know about the ubiquious style. nobody even comes close in this style. some are more technical but they either lack the groove or just are not coherent in terms of style or have lame writing. nobody writes such cool drum lines. once bleed was out, everybody was hopping on to it. what does tomas do? doesn't rest on his lorries and drops clockworks and now it's ghost notes thats the shit. he's just always ahead of the game because he can write and has great feeling for coherence in art and style. and that's besides his unique approach to these beats in general
It’s funny how the most skilled drummers I’ve ever heard in the scene always say/sound like what they do isn’t anything special. Chris Turner in OAA is the same exact way when he talks about his writing
I have to say, we didn't have UA-cam, they didn't do close ups on drummers playing live in my day or their day, we had to figure out how our idols play that stuff the hard way, by trying and working at it for decades. Now kids can go on UA-cam or the like and watch live footage of you guys and study the techniques we all had to just figure out ourself, so of course a 7 year old kid has learned how to play really well at such a young age!
the problem is, if they don't go through that trial and error, they miss out on a big thing: developing your own style and sound. it's too easy to copy today and that comes with a cost.
Either drummer increases and enriches any music they are a part of. Anything I've heard either man be a part of has been not only pinnacle but signature. It's great seeing them coyly blow each other hahaha Mountain of stable, wonderful, and inspiring music from both men. And both are gentlemen. Never seen either act a fool, nor be smug, nor be a dick. Just absolute genuine guys.
As far as a 7-year-old kid being able to play Bleed on drums, anybody can take out a piece of tracing paper and Trace out a piece of art. But it's the artist that creates it that is the master!!!
@@nathanwalsh3028 he didn't he was slightly off on some of the changes of the song and missed a few hertas here and there and the sound wasn't clear but nonetheless still phenomenal for a kid! He is a Filipino by the name of momo de monster you can find this channel here. He's had several covers, one at 7, 8 and 12 I believe
I cannot do hertas on my feet, I actually had to change how I play drums. So anyone who pulls off hertas with their feet, my hats off! Freaking two of my favorite drummers on the same podcast, and seeing how much they praise each other! The feels are real!
I've been learning this beat for months and can do it for about 30 seconds before my brain gets mixed up lol I posted a learning fail short on my channel
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Watching Tomas and Gene trying to out humble eachother is wholesome AF
"out humble each other" haha perfect
They are like almost cheering themselves up after a 'failed' career: "No, You really did well Tomas. You are the champion for all of us" ;)
Omg you're right, it's such a wholesome chungus moment. You win le internet's for today sir
You are absolutely right, in the best sense! And these two are just awesome :D
I love it hahaha, and each one cringes while receiving the compliments. 😆
You can see why Gene has been called in to fill in for a lot of bands. Besides being an awesome drummer he just seems like an all around good guy and a good hang.
That's how I knew that Dino Cazares is a shitty person, cause Gene has been playing with so many bands and never had any problems. He's able to fit in and do his work perfectly. So when they basically kicked him out from FF, that's when I realised that Dino is not just a "complicated person".
@@deran1983 yeah FF has always been one of my favorite bands and Dino a big influence on my rhythm playing. He’s got that bionic right hand from the future lol. He always seems cool in interviews, but yeah sounds like working with him is the issue. It’s like Taylor Swift running through boyfriends then boo-hooing in her music. After so many you’re like, "no honey…you’re the problem.” Lol
@@travislee9662 yes, I agree. No doubt Dino is a great guitarist with distinctive style and he has created (or helped to create) a whole genre. But 4 out of 4 former members said he's a piece of s**t, which kinda seems to be the truth. I even think that the lyrics from Archetype are about him ("the infection has been removed, the soul of this machine has improved").
@@deran1983 didn’t put that together before on the lyrics, could be true lol
Absolutely. You could definitely see that even more clear on his Twitch streams
That’s all drumming earth can take in this video. Two giants!
The southern friendliness and warmth of Gene and the humility of the northern Swede make for such a cultural encounter. All these compliments are complicated to digest for Tomas. 😄
"Never be satisfied with whatever you're doing"
As a head cook, aspiring chef, I live by those words
Thank you Tomas!
two of the , if not THE grooviest, most technical drummers out there.
and metal as hell
I would love to add Chris Adler and Mario Duplantier too in this list.
@Rishabh Bose Eloy Casagrande, Vinnie Paul, and Danny Carey too.
@@Sasquatch33 Vinni Paul. Hell Yeah. Vinnie is basically the definition of Groove Metal. Love Danny as well but I don't groove to his playing that much.
@Rishabh Bose Yeah, Danny's more of a technical player, and Eloy is just pure brutality. But Vinnie is a master at grooves.
So much mutual respect and appreciation between these drumming giants! What a motivation both those guys have been over many years to keep practicing and also be a kind, respectful and humble person!
Watching these two absolute legends hanging out and complimeting each other warms my heart.
It's like widely acknowledged that Mesguggah created a whole new genre of music/metal, and Haake is right in the center of that. And Hoglan is like obviously a huge influence, absolute legend, playing tech double pedal with the boots and old pedals just because fuck you.
"Just because fuck you" is a very apt description of how we felt when Dark Angel released Darkness Descends back in '86. Haake and Hoglan are both living legends.
Dont forget the weights!! Hoglan is an goddamn animal, and packin alot of weight himself in his former days which also adds to the insaness. But his work with Death on ITP and Symbolic in my mind is probably some of the best extreme metal drumming ever recorded. OFC Haake is insane aswell, never got into Meshuggah tho, to much math involved LOL
Bruh these two have created some of the heaviest sounding shit and they’re both so chill.
This is gold. Heroes, all. Respect and admiration to two of the all time absolute greats, and to this awesome channel!
thanks mate!
I've found that is the vibe between most drummers. It's a respect level, not even a friendly competition. Just an appreciation for playing.
Ive been listening to Tomas talk randomly for over 20 years now, and always make it a point to do so
2 off the best drummers evvvver
This is a community unlike any other in music.
Earth exploded from humbleness during the shooting of this
these are literally THE DUDES
Exactly.
I’ve never seen an interview with Gene before. He seems like the sweetest, gentlest guy on the planet. BEAST behind the kit!
he is btw, you are totally right
Agree. Total monster of a player. Also I read somewhere that it was Gene Hoglan who showed Dave Lombardo how to use a Double Pedal. Fookin hell man.
@@rishabhbose29 Gene gave him tips on double bass drumming during the recording of Haunting the Chapel, and Gene had to hold Daves kit together as he played it because there was no carpet in the studio, and the China cymbal in Chemical Warfare is Genes'
Even though Strapping is over, Gene still hangs out in Vancouver all the time.
He's never been anything but a great person every single time I've talked to him.
He does a good interview with Dean Delray. His podcast is called let there be talk and its worth a listen.
This is the best video on the internet today.
Anyone else skip this vid as soon as Thomas mentions the 7 year old kid and go and find him?! My heads been blown away by that kids drum cover. Am back here now to enjoy the rest of this drum chat!
Literally my favorite two drummers in the world.
My two favorite metal drummers.
I've met both of these guys and they are physically huge dudes. I still have no idea how they manage to play that level of speed and surgical precision at their age with that much flesh to sling around. Absolute legends.
And Hogland taking off his ankle weights when he needs to go "really fast". Are you kidding me dude? 😎
Bro, I could listen to these guys talk drums forever. Like every day. Especially if they were talking technical stuff. Literally, from gear to practice routine, to specific riffs...like everything. These are two of the hardest working, respected, and best metal drummers of all time. I want a Netflix series. Call it "the haake gene". Sign me up, boys. Let's go!
Two of the greatest drummers to ever play the instrument!
The 2 best metal drummers of ALL TIME. Gene just being modest- he could learn/play Bleed for sure.
A good idea for his 3rd DVD
Genuinely love both these guys.
Hoglans videos playing with weights on his legs is insane to watch. Both these guys are incredible. Fun to watch them admire each other.
I will never forget buying the "None" EP on compact disc and cranking it in my car on the way home from school. Around 1994 I believe. Then 1995 brought Destroy Erase Improve AND Death's Symbolic! My teenage years are all but defined by such albums. I eternally praise the metal deities for having been brought up during such a period of musical ingenuity.
Tomas was talking about 7 year olds playing bleed. What's missing is the ingenuity. Lots of people can learn, not a lot can create.
I discovered Meshuggah with "Contradictions Collapse," but "None" absolutely changed my life.
This is like watching two brothers talk after years apart. Metal would not be where it is today without either of them
This is how drummers interact no egos no competitions just exchanging ideas and explanations techniques and admiration for one another this is the how we roll 🥁🤣 in the drumming community
I remember hearing Perpetual Black Second when I was maybe 13 years old. My brain couldn't comprehend the rhythm so the timing just sounded random to me. Years later it clicked out of nowhere, I actually "got" the rhythm and understood why people like the band so much, besides being heavy as balls. I still love table-drumming to the song while listening
Thanks for this - excellent moment you captured for us. Also the Sean Reinert doco is absolutely fantastic - essential viewing for anyone interested in percussive arts 🤙
thank you so much Tom! Glad you get something out of the Tribute, means a lot to me.
Skeksis is such a sick shout out. What a fucking song. The whole "Alien" album with him and Dev is a fucking blaster. 2 absolute giants just chilling and chatting, I love it.
I wanna see more of Gene and Tomas talking about each other's music with each other.
Es increíble ver a estos dos juntos en una entrevista. Gracias
Two legends, they are on my Mount Rushmore for drummers.
Gene IS the mountain upon which other metal drummer faces are carved
These guys are so great at what they do because the instrument is an extension of their personality. The drumset represents everything you dont see without it. Like Neil Peart. Humble, intelligent, well read and spoken, analytical. But behind the kit, they open up into their final form. Its why I vibe so much with their styles, I totally get it
Haake is your favorite drummer's favorite drummer
Facts
Yooooo... Haake. Gandalf of Drums.. so humble
YEs, being saying that for Years!!!!!! The rules still apply, we can all agree the White Haake is just superior to Brown or grey Haake XD
The GOD of steamroller drumming technique in the house !
Mr. Gene "the freaking" Hoglan !!!!
Damn its never enough of these 2 legendary musicians
The two have two things in common.... they're humble and there are two of the baddest f****** drummers on the planet
2 of my absolute favorite drummers.
This is so fucking good, this is what players need to do with eachother. Too much competition, not enough learning, sharing and lifting eachother up!
Gene is the man. But he’s right. Tomas has been the guiding light for modern progressive heavy drumming for 25 years, long before anyone co-opted his now ubiquitous style, which remains wholly unrivalled.
i don't know about the ubiquious style. nobody even comes close in this style. some are more technical but they either lack the groove or just are not coherent in terms of style or have lame writing. nobody writes such cool drum lines. once bleed was out, everybody was hopping on to it. what does tomas do? doesn't rest on his lorries and drops clockworks and now it's ghost notes thats the shit. he's just always ahead of the game because he can write and has great feeling for coherence in art and style. and that's besides his unique approach to these beats in general
This is what mutual respect looks like. Awesome capture boys
love both of them.
Love both of these dudes. They kick so much ass.
Two of my heroes in one room
I met Haake a couple of weeks ago at a bar I sweden. Super chill dude, all respect to him
Yeaaah!!! Thanks Drum Talk for the new video !! Appreciate the effort 🥁🔥
appretiate the comment!
Is the Jason Popson project he’s talking about Pitch Black Forecast? I wonder if the song would have gotten as popular had it been their song?
It’s funny how the most skilled drummers I’ve ever heard in the scene always say/sound like what they do isn’t anything special. Chris Turner in OAA is the same exact way when he talks about his writing
Chris seems like a good dude as well.
I didn't know I wanted a Haake/Meshuggah cover of Skeksis but now I do
Thank fuck the tape was running! The most interesting part of the interview right there!
well, I usually record way more "beginning stuff" than I let you guys actually watch =D
I have to say, we didn't have UA-cam, they didn't do close ups on drummers playing live in my day or their day, we had to figure out how our idols play that stuff the hard way, by trying and working at it for decades. Now kids can go on UA-cam or the like and watch live footage of you guys and study the techniques we all had to just figure out ourself, so of course a 7 year old kid has learned how to play really well at such a young age!
the problem is, if they don't go through that trial and error, they miss out on a big thing: developing your own style and sound. it's too easy to copy today and that comes with a cost.
A couple of the best drummers in history right here
two monsters of drumming!!! respect a lot!!
Estos Manes son los precursores e influencia de muchas de las máquinas que se ven hoy en día en la percusión,mis respetos
my favorite drummers whaaaat
2 incredible legends. With incredible humility.
2 of my all time favourite drummers. Absolute beasts.
Either drummer increases and enriches any music they are a part of. Anything I've heard either man be a part of has been not only pinnacle but signature. It's great seeing them coyly blow each other hahaha Mountain of stable, wonderful, and inspiring music from both men. And both are gentlemen. Never seen either act a fool, nor be smug, nor be a dick. Just absolute genuine guys.
As far as a 7-year-old kid being able to play Bleed on drums, anybody can take out a piece of tracing paper and Trace out a piece of art. But it's the artist that creates it that is the master!!!
Nope I saw the video they were talking about. The kid freaking Nails it
@@nathanwalsh3028 he didn't he was slightly off on some of the changes of the song and missed a few hertas here and there and the sound wasn't clear but nonetheless still phenomenal for a kid! He is a Filipino by the name of momo de monster you can find this channel here. He's had several covers, one at 7, 8 and 12 I believe
That's the thing, creating your own music. It kinda sucks and you are "never satisfied" like Haake said. Playing covers is way easier, just copy.
Exactly and each time it gets traced it loses its sense of value.
Has he ever recorded another song beside Bleed? That's all I ever hear people talking about with him.
These guys changed drumming so much
Haake and hoglan together!? Universe exploded
Omg two of my influences. Speed and groove
2 legends In 1
Greetings from Colombia 💯
the body language of tomas scratching his head when gene says we are all in awe is basically saying i can’t believe YOU are saying this to me
Crazy. One of Gene's biggest drumming demo songs "skeksis" and he says it's not technical and could be picked up in 10 lol. Respect all around.
He said Thomas could pick it up in 10 sec, not just any random dude you know
That song is hard. It sounds deceptively simple. its NOT.
@@LiquidSpartan117 big difference indeed
2:30 the humbleness of Gene
Gene hoglan part of my favourite death album and so many other bands i love, mans as versatile as a drummer can get.
Wholesome. Love it
Love these guys
Two of the GOATS right there!
New videos, here we go! 🤘
Two absolute legends!
They're both my heroes.
this is fucking awesome seeing these two together
Gene Hoglan - The Swiss Army knife of metal drumming.
Legends! Hoglan is so chill and wholesome
Just a couple of freaking timing titans, right there! 🤘❤️
200 drummers’ worth of talent in 2 guys
The fathers of modern metal drumming.
Hearing Haake say it took a loooong time to learn bleed, gives me hope.
Individual Thought Patterns is One of the Best Metal Albums Ever Created.
I cannot do hertas on my feet, I actually had to change how I play drums. So anyone who pulls off hertas with their feet, my hats off! Freaking two of my favorite drummers on the same podcast, and seeing how much they praise each other! The feels are real!
I've been learning this beat for months and can do it for about 30 seconds before my brain gets mixed up lol I posted a learning fail short on my channel
damn, they got 95% of all the raw drumming talent in one room, legendary
Damn the talent in that tour bus
man i wish they can host a drumming podcast together lmao
Two legends! The rest of us are just taking notes 📝
this two guys are the best drummers of the world AND! there a calm and nice persons either!
Two Legends !😎😎
This was excellent. 🤘
Heartwarming!
One of the great achievments in metal imo
What was that about Frederik writing for Jason Popson?
Two MASSIVE legends
Epic
Omg! My drum heroes talking?!?! I wanted moooorreeee!!! 😤😭😭😭😭
sorry, that's all there is.
How did that not tip the universe upside down? These 2 legends meeting