Indeed, but remember that despite their age (ancientness?) and power, they are actually quite aloof; perhaps the most of any race in Mass Effect or even in science fiction. They care only for themselves, and freely use others to their own ends. They don't actually care about any other race, doing so is often just convenient...
***** Yes, they have been aloof for trillions of years. Which is why it's amusing that a mere human can convince this ancient being to come into the light after a single conversation.
+Ninja Channel Thats why they created an AI that eventually kills them all. They are quite dumb actually and arrogant.. Also he´s the progeny and not one of the original Leviathans. So he`s probably only a million years old not a trillion.
I know, right? Even Leviathan don't see the reapers as a threat but as harvesters The game says everytime about indoctrination and implies that it's impossible to defeat the reapers This is the most accurate thing to believe (also because bioware said once that the end of ME3 was already toughted since the begining And now that one, if ONE reaper can solo a galaxy why would we win?
+Hamza Shukri Not quite. The writer for ME1,2& most of 3 explained that the story he envisioned... before, ya know, EA fucked everything up; was that the Reapers detected that the use of Biotics by intelligent races used up/increased the dark matter in the Universe and if life was allowed to exist as it currently did, it would in fact bring the death on the universe on faster than otherwise. So... they keep culling life soon after life reaches the ability for wide spread biotics. Would have presented a real end game dilemma with the decision being either rebellion, or some level of capitulation to the necessity to go long with the reapers motives... However nope. Gotta cut shit short so lets throw that ending in a big bloody bin.
+Comando96 Source? Otherwise Ill just assume that the reapers got their arrogance from the creator race and therefore never considered the possible shortcommings of their logic.
"Shit, guys, all those sapient races keep creating AIs that betray them and wipe them out! We'd better create an AI of ambiguous loyalty to teach us how to stop this from happening."
Kerensky287 And for artistic integrity they gave us the worst ending ever: make that same intelligence give us 4 restricted options and Commander Shepard just said: sure, I'll do just as you say, you won't screw us over. Load of BS. Seriously. Reapers should've been destroyed and everyone else should've been shown that they're wrong about whatever it is they think before anything actually happens. They keep acting on preconceived ideas as if they know what the other is thinking. And they keep making it seem that machines are god-like. They are pieces of tin and metal, stop this whole: oh they're unstoppable thing. It's the lamest piece of lameness ever. I'm so done with this.
Yup should have the option to destroy reaper only. This cycle is unique in that no one species is overpower the other. Galactic council is already established and as such they could educate and implement the 3 laws of robotic for future generation from repeating history. :)
@@michaelhohe2168 "they betrayed us." "so you fucked up?" "we did not. they still serve their purpose" "but they are hunting even you." "yes" "so you fucked up" "listen here ape, you are two words away from being destroyed by the water pressure down here. now shut the FUCK up"
@@Laxhoop yup they searched his/her mind. They watched what shepard has done before. Im sure thats why they find him worthy to listen and didnt screw his mind
@@Byzantine_Orthodox_Christian Geth are accidental AI's. Quarians wanted to make better VI but accidently created AI and tried to cover it. With Most stupid way.
I think that is justified by sherpard existing in this cycle and being an "anomaly" like the leviathan said. If shepard did not exist the Geth would pretty much destroy the quarians if they had the chance
@@grymjaw No the are emergent AI's which literally means a bunch of networked VI's all operating in parallel. All the Quarians did is take a very simplistic AI method and just jacked it on steroids and outfitted it to be used through mobile platforms. The actual brain of a single geth unit is a server hub of thousands of programs and then operating their mobile unit. What makes legion special at all is it's ability to function all the way into organic space without having a hub for all of it's programs. And this is also why when the reaper program was controlling them they were even more powerful than they were without it. The draw back being that they lost their individuality.
actually it's because originally the reapers got their form from the mass relays They are very similar if you google Mass Relay and after that a picture of ME1 Sovereign here is a pathetic attempt of the developers to justify the more retarded plot that they spewed in ME3 by creating a weird alien reaper-look-a-like
i took a image of the mass relays and saw something strange that resembled Sovereign the form and shape are matching. the left part of the relay ends up carved like Sovereign shares on its hull on the top masseffectuniverse.fr/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/330px-Sovereign.jpg look on the top of sovereign hull and now look at this img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101103023025/masseffect/images/3/3b/Charon_Relay_and_Pluto.png see something similar? the same top the more you go to the center,the wider it becomes img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140623164105/masseffect/images/8/8e/Sovereign's_armada.png then Sovereign's first "arm" on the center ends like a relay its design was done to be like a symbol it's further proven when the Reaper in ME2 had a element zero core,like the mass relay i'm for damn sure that what we see in that video it's not what the original ME1 had in mind when they did the reapers for the first time
"Enough is enough! I've been with this motherfucking AIs in this motherfucking galaxy. Everybody strap in. I'm going to unleash some fucking AI to stop them" "What the fuck, Barry?"
Seems like unleashing the Leviathan on the galaxy is the worst possible solution to the Reapers. Even if the war is won with their help the Leviathan can just turn around and turn the galaxy into slaves.
Nah Leviathan makes it clear it doesn't really care about the affairs of all the lesser races. Kinda like the Outer Gods of Lovecraft. They just occasionally use a person to do something. Nothing much more.
In my understanding the Leviathan may not have thought much of the "lesser" species, but they did have an active interest in subjugating and enslaving all of the other species. They may have been content to leave the societies they had enthralled alone after mind-controlling them, but they were still interested in galactic enslavement.
+Inquisitor Adaar I like to imagine if you took Control or Synthesis the Shepard-Reapers/Awakened Reapers strafe this planet from orbit to finish what Harbinger started ages ago.
+Inquisitor Adaar The Leviathan would've come out of hiding if the Reapers were destroyed anyways. Maybe this way it's better, at least knowing what the Leviathan is.
Yeah. Pretty sure Leviathan is gonna have to be killed at some point in an ME game though, maybe not Andromeda. But you don't go from being the apex race in the galaxy to just being cool with hanging out in an ocean somewhere. I'd wager that after the Reapers are dealt with, the Leviathan will want to be on top again.
***** J'zin-Dar called; he wants a refund from the bad skooma you sold him. M'aiq lies about the stuff you sell, too. I don't care, I just want some of that good stuff you sell. I want to go back to Bruma.
***** What is that quoted from? It sounds vaguely like something off of Doctor Who (yes, I watch the show from time to time), but it could be from something else....and whatever it is it sounds familiar. Curious now.
Solaxe S Even one is powerful enough, plus squids, octopuses and others of they're family tend to lay a lot of eggs, so I think repopulation and control of the galaxy shouldn't be a problem. Unless the Alliance manages to further develop that shield wich blocks the Leviathans or that Shepard chose the synthesis or control ending.
This should not be dlc. this cutscene (or series of cutscenes, whatever) just filled in parts of the story that many people have begged for or were at least curious about as well as made explanations on things like the reapers' motivation. If they would have just made this part of the story in some nonchalant way then I feel like less people would have been disappointed or upset over the ending.
woodwyrm This is wierd im scrolling through comments on an avengers trailer and see your comment and now I come to an bstract video and youre here too, your thumbnail looks like a famous youtuber thats how i recognised it
They are bionic.Half synthetic, half organic.Each reaper is made up out of "souls" of the harvested and are also a part of the star child VERY advanced AI.They believe themselves to be the perfect species , understanding both machines and animals .
@@099Nitro they didn't try to genocide them , but they were defending themselves since the Quarians wanted to destroy them. They even remembered and honored those Quarians who tried to protect them
First thing to do after the ending of Mass Effect 3 is go back to this planet and kill these things. They are not good dudes. Saying things like, "your entire species could be wiped out with a thought" is some serious Thanos level bad.
Harbinger: "We preserve all life by removing the advanced races before they could create synthetics that would destroy everything." Shepard: "Take the quarians, then!" Tali: "...what?" Shepard: "They built the geth not us. I promise I will never build any synthetic ever. Nor will the rest of humanity." Harbinger: "You promise?" Shepard: "Yep." Harbinger: "Well, it is a solution. OK. You can go. But you better not be having synthetics when next we come." Shepard: "A promise is a promise. See you in 50k years....*whistle*...."
Bindair Dundat Hehe. Funny. But by that reasoning, the Squid AI has an ulterior motive - to eliminate competition before it becomes a threat. It knows that the only thing that can truly stop it is another powerful AI that could potentially disrupt it in some way so it kills off all the civilizations that can create such a threat. Smells like paranoic over-the-top self-preservation to me. This could also explain why the AI/Harbinger took over the geth."There can be only one advanced AI in the galaxy, bitches!" :P
Dangerosu Only if the Reapers see themselves as synthetics, wich they don't. they said it in ME1, we are so beyond your comprehension you cannot even begin to understand us. They are a mix between synthetic bodies with the brains of hundreds of millions harvested races. So i don't think they are just trying to put themselves above every other synthetic tbh.
@@gonkdroid4603 He does since they encountered EDI multiple times AND know about all organic communications. It would be great to do this dialogue while having Legion and EDI as your squad members.
Goosebumps at "It chose our kind as the first harvest. From our essence the first Reaper was created." *sad over the shoulder look* "You call it Harbinger." I think this made the game ending much better. I love the part where he says, "There was no mistake. It still serves its purpose." That arrogance explains the lack of a failsafe built in. Even at the near genocide of their species, and the extermination of countless others, they still don't believe they did anything wrong.
Justin Hannay look at it as communism. in theory its brilliant in the real world its always misunderstood and used wrong. the harvest still has its purpose but is poorly implemented leviathan is right ;)
@@kagenotatsumaki Look at human beings and how we farm bees, cows, and plants with the same arrogance. All we care about is the DNA to serve our purpose. Leviathans see Reapers the same way. They're collecting all of the knowledge and DNA instead of letting it go to waste during extinction events. I think the idea is if the universe ever reached a point where life ceased to exist, they would replant the planets with that knowledge and DNA.
Emu ... Not sure where our arrogance lies, or where the heck is the similarity between the two situations, especially considering how different were the conditions leading to the respective situations, but okay.
Minimeister317 With the shitfest that came from ME3's ending I doubt they will. They're already spending ALOT of time on DA3, more than twice the amount of DA2 already, so I think it really scared the shit out of them rofl.
Holy shit, I get it now. The reapers harvested to bring the preservation of life. But they never understood how to do that because they kept repeating the same cycle. In the end, the answer was their own demise. And the answer is either Destruction, Synthesis, or Control. Goddamn that's deep.
Well they kinda achieves their poke tubes and that was to stop the synthetics from wiping out organic life by wiping out organic life and leaving only the primal races alive lol best answer ever right?
this immediately makes me assume the reapers are dumbasses if they are simply repeating the same method and hope they found a solution by doing the same thing..... after tens of millions of years. if preserving life through harvting the species isn't what they are looking for then wtf, what do they do in their down time every 50,000 years?
Quinix Yashieyama The conditions aren't the same. Each cycle has completely different races, different society, different history, etc. In the previous cycle, the Protheans enslaved all other races. Obviously that didn't work out, so the Reapers wiped all intelligent species out before EVERYTHING was destroyed.
Justin Hannay enslaving a race did create conflict yes. but you think they wiped them all out because they destroyed nearly an entire race that didn't bow before the protheans?
Damn this solves so many plot holes. If Leviathan was in the original game and maybe its ending then absolutely no one would have complained. I finally know where the hell the Catalyst came from.
No, it makes the problem worse. So the Leviathans had a problem with their Organic thralls creating Synthetics, so instead of using their mind control abilities, they create a Synthetic to solve the problem... what? Then these all powerful beings lose to the Catalyst before the first Reaper is even created by their very own thralls that they can mind control...? Wouldn't the Leviathans in their infinite wisdom and power at least create some method of controlling the Catalyst like what Cerberus did with EDI? (It's been repeatedly explained that AIs can be installed with behavior blocks.) The Catalyst's sudden appearance is only part of a larger problem with the whole ending sequence. The main problem with the ending is that it doesn't hold with the vast majority of the Mass Effect series pre-established lore and themes. The story was never about some underlying conflict between Organics and Synthetics -- it was certainly a part of the story -- but only one part out of many, and never to the degree that the Catalyst explained it was (that tensions resulted from a lack of common genetics and a tech singularity, or something). The story wasn't about the Reapers, or their goals and origins; it was about uniting to stop them by gathering allies of different races and cultures and ways of thinking but united around a common goal to protect life and friends, be they synthetic or organic. Again the ending was terrible not because it was confusing (which it certainly was) and ill explained (no one can write the ME3 ending well because the whole premise is flawed), but because it contradicted everything that came before it in order to cram in something that I guess was supposed to be thought provoking and intellectually (it was neither). The Leviathan DLC is a microcosm of Mass Effect 3. The player is presented with a problem and Shepard and friends go out to investigate; and it's fun because there's mystery and brand new worlds to explore and things to shoot, but all that ends abruptly when the Leviathan is encountered. Suddenly lore and common sense is thrown out the window again in order to validate the ending. It gives explanations for things, I guess, but the explanations are just so nonsensical and contrived that they come off as shlock. It's like the EC where it doubles-down on the stupid instead of distancing itself away from the ending.
In the case of the Leviathans the betrayal was likely meant to indicate that they could make mistakes and did not have infinite wisdom. They were just another life form out there, albeit an old one. I agree with you though that the ending was underwhelming if only because of its inability to link well with the past series. It could have been a lot worse though. I think the team tried to look at the grand scheme of things such as stopping the cycles of devastation instead of simply uniting races to stop the reapers in one cycle. Thats probably where they screwed up by bringing in the catalyst. At the very least they got the emotions right. That I feel is one of the most important parts of any story based game.
imaginarymatter Don't fully agree on the series not being about the Reapers, there are massive undertones throughout both ME1 and 2 that they have a purpose and the discovery of that purpose would be a major plot development. Most of us know what happened though: the original idea was leaked and they had to divert to something new.
@@tastycookiechip Facts. I don't know about you but as a consumer, I wouldn't give af if it got leaked because it's ultimately my choice to search it out on the internet. No one is forcing me to sit down and memorize the thing. Not to mention, knowing how something ends sometimes encourages people to actually go through a story to figure out how it happened the way it did. Bioware absolutely trashed an otherwise awesome story by copying and pasting the generic "AI kills master" trope done by every robot scifi movie ranging from I-robot, Terminator and much more. ugh
The whole soundtrack to this DLC is amazing. Just finished up on my playthrough and it never gets old. Love the line "They p lay their tribute in blood."
Well yes and now. The means are the same. They kill off all high developt life forms. The objective is very different. Anti Spirals want to safe the Universe. They do it by killing all life with high Spiral Power. The Reapers actually want to safe organic life. Just the way they do is fucked up.
How is it stupid? It fits in perfectly with what we already know about how the Reapers operate. To create ground troops they turn sapient species into twisted parodies of themselves (husks), so why is the Reapers themselves turning out to be funhouse mirror images of yet another species such a hard fact to credit?
NoXion100 It still follows from the flawed idea that organics will always end up creating synthetics and these synthetics will eventually turn against their organic masters. The fact of the matter is, this is nothing more than a clumsy attempt to ret-con the colossal mistakes they made with the ME3 ending.
Wow, I'm so used to seeing Javik so stoic and indifferent I was surprised to see him risking life and limb to save the commander and so openly concerned about sheperd's condition o.o
This was very near to the ending of playing the game, already had taken em to visit the citadel, made em watch his memory shard, and had the party at the citadel DLC, maybe that changed em a bit.
I like how everyone always blames Bioware for terrible endings of the Mass Effect Universe. Unfortunately people fail to see EA is the top dog. Im sure if Bioware had have their way the ending to this series would have been what everyone expected. But EA has deadlines that are non-negotiable which means no matter how epic the story line is or what you have planned EA will always have the final say of when it must come out. I mean Bioware isnt the first to fall victim to it and sadly wont be the last.
We lost a palaven mission and much more because of EA ridiculous deadline, at the beginning they wanted the game to be released after a year and a half of development, bioware barely suceed in having 6 more months but they could have done so much better if they had 3 years (like with the other mass effect) instead of 2.
@@jaunvonsokoloveoldchannel7215 Kinda hard to blame EA for ME:A honestly. 5 years in development(ye, EA to blame that they forced BioWare to use shitty Frostbite, which lacked core feautres of a normal engine), they even gave them a full year delay.
Funny how Sovereign spoke like and used even the same words like Leviathan. It is clear where he got his xenophobic supremacist universe view from. lol
After the harvest of an entire cycle, only the best of the races are chosen to be made into a reaper, there minds, ideas, and even their thought are made into another reaper, if even 1% of the mind remains intact, then even their speach and thinking would go into the reaper. would be logic that even a reaper will maintain some of tyhe speeche patterns some of the races before had. again... open to opinions. grt.
Talking with Leviathans actually made me feel special in a way. It was the authority, the meaning, the magnitude and the demeanor they spoke with. I felt like I had already won the war.
+animalruless Tribute does not flow from a dead race. Fucking leviathan, I wanted so much more of this. Specifically, I wanted to see Javik talking to Leviathan...so much in common...
Leviathans were pretty damn wicked. They weren't fighting the reapers for "any of the lesser races" lol they would most likely try to retake the galaxy after the battle
Leviathans didn't have to "try" to retake the galaxy back after the battle, if he said that "your own species can be destroyed with a single thought", but then again...if they are so powerfull and it clearly killed that reaper when it tried to destroy Normandy, the question would be, why didn't they make the reapers turn against each other and kill themselfs in the first place lol.
This scene makes more sense than people like to admit. In fact, the whole ending of ME3 does. People just don't like the concept of billions of lives dying as a good thing, for obvious reasons. That's why in ME1 Vigil explains their purpose as possibly unknowable. We can't ponder the concept of infinite time and not putting value on individualism. We can't accept the thought that our own existence is meaningless, because we aren't smart enough for that. Even Leviathan itself admits the intelligence still serves its purpose, but that they simply didn't consider that purpose would take away their own personal desires. In other words, Leviathan accepts the intelligence as doing what it was meant to do, but they no longer want the intelligence to exist now that they see the consequence of what they created on themselves. Being so rapt up in themselves being superior, they ended up forgetting that they too we're imperfect organics. Even they created synthetics that destroyed them, just like the lesser races who they we're trying to "save". It just took them longer.
I'm starting to think that Control is the best ending given the Leviathans, specifically with a paragon Shepard. These guys want to go back to enthralling the entire galaxy to serve them. The only thing that could stop them is Shepard, in command of an entire force of Reapers. Maybe high-EMS destroy would work too, as I'd have to imagine that plain old Shepard could do something too (and provide a starting point for ME4).
That would be a perfect threat in Mass Effect 4, however they would have to add some complexity to it somehow. There's always this underlying theme of chaos and order, maybe some force in the galaxy not neccessarily the player could introduce some temperance to these giant octopuses, introduce a spiritual virtue. Maybe instead of playing as a commander you could be playing as some kind of monk or holy man, a jesus figure sent as saviour by a GOD race beyond the galaxy to save the lesser species from Leviathan. As you're playing as a species beyond the galaxy you would be able to take any form you like, female or male and even maybe choose what race. You'd be like Jesus with his disciples, you'd lead by example and maybe that could lead to some kind of crucifiction at the end of the trilogy.
That's why my Paragon Shepard choose control! The way I see it, best option for Renegade Shepard is do nothing because every other option forces Shepard to "trust" the Star Child and I don't think Renegade Shepard trusts anyone but themselves. But most of the Paragon choices involve Shepard taking things on faith. "Turn on Legion" - logic, reason and past evidence suggest its a bad idea and other little and big things on the Paragon path suggest Paragon Shepard is an idealist who has a lot of faith in their fellow creatures whether they are organic, synthetic or something in-between. So for me, Paragon Shepard wouldn't choose destroy since that would involve destroying the Geth and EDI and she wouldn't go for it. She wouldn't choose synthesis because she's basically imposing her will on everybody and that's assuming Star Child can actually pull it off. But mostly I think Paragon Shepard would think that if that's the final stage of evolution, organics and synthetics must get there on their own. So all that's left is control.
Tinni Choudhury I think refusal is actually more of a Paragon choice. The way I see Paragon vs Renegade is Paragon values morals and ideals over logic, while Renegade is the opposite. Refusal is basically choosing ideals over reason.
I didn't choose Control just because Shepard may go insane. He's there forever, just alone, moving a Reaper army from here to there helping people he can't even actually talk to face to face.
another story important DLC, man EA and bioware, really fucked this game out of so much potential with shit DLC practices. I say DLC sould only be used for non-story important expansions, that party in the casino is a good example, or strictly cosmetic, or special items, thats it.
I expected that. I really was dissapointed nobody called them out on that. EAware really bought people's minds. Just for romances,what a bunch of idiots.
KingTater I love Bioware for more of their older stuff, like Kotor, and the first two mass effects were great, its like after they made the second dragon age, and started working on the star wars mmo they just let EA tell them how to run shit. Never was a fan of Dragon age, but I know what it is like to get fucked by a game that was supposed to ve awesome.
The Everyday Thinker aye,me too,my favourite game of all time is KOTOR I play that game at least once a year. ME1-ME2 were great indeed,the third was a disaster. Also DA:O was a great game. TOR instead was a dissapointment and i got really pissed for what they did to Revan
Brining reven back in the old republic, was more or less fan service for the sake of fan service, like they were saying "see long time fans, we get you, please play our games again"
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While I appreciate the answers they gave in Leviathan and the end of the game, I sorta wish they wouldn't have. I mean we were given the impression that reapers and their purpose were simply incomprehensible to mankind in ME1. They simply 'are'. And I always liked that concept. But in ME3 you realize that the reapers really aren't all that grand and supreme, idk it was just sort of a let down for me. But I still really enjoyed the game and the whole organic/synthetic idea.
That's not Leviathan's fault though even though it obviously doesn't help to keep the Reaper's incomprehensibility. Just take the ending in which an illogical AI tells you he is the puppet master of the Reapers.
SirLugash uhhh, but the Catalyst logic IS sound. Merciless yes, but it's otherwise a logical and efficient, not to mention supported by over billion years worth of statistical evidence. The Catalyst itself isn't satisfied with it, but points it's the only one that worked... The people who call it illogical or stupid are the ones being illogical.
TheKain202 I disagree. "supported by over billion years worth of statistical evidence."... And who is keeping that statistics? Could it be the AI that is wiping out civilisations in an effort to save them? I'm sorry but that's not supporting in any way. If I keep telling myself that I'm making a million bucks a year, it's not making it true. Keep in mind that the Catalyst is doind the cycles in a preventive manner, meaning it wouldn't even know if the organics were threatened to be extinguished by synthetics because it "solved" the problem before that would've been an issue. You can call me illogical if you want to but the statement that harvesting a species is needed in order to keep them from being destroyed by synthetics they might create is neither compelling nor logical to me at all, but I guess it depends on the definition of "saving life". At least for me, it's not melting people and stuffing them and their technology into a Reaper with no one being even able to benefit from it, neither the civilisation being harvested nor the one that follows as they'll get harvested as well. Reapers don't share the knowledge they acquired from harvested species to take a different approach to the problem, they just use a reaperized species to harvest even more species.
BrandonQ1995 Same thing happened with Halo. The mystery/omnipotence of the flood was erie and interesting. I thought I would love to find out its true nature in the Forerunner series of books, but it turned out to be pretty anticlimactic. I almost preferred not knowing.
I like “your confidence is singular.”, mostly as that word can mean both “narrow-minded” as well as “impressive”? So kind of up in the air if the Leviathan intended it to be kind of both.
Undead Sandvich I wouldn't be surprised if there was some kind of Advanced Alien species living in the dark depths of the universe..To say we humans are the only living life forms in the universe is ridiculous.
its possible that we are the first intelligent species, theres a chance we're the last. Its possible that there is a great obstacle every species has to overcome to become a galactic power, all have failed so far. We dont know untill we find out.
And what? Kill them? Sometimes people need to learn we cannot kill every single enemy out there. DnD taught me that way with Gods that cannot be killed
Leviathan should have impacted the whole game with extra dialogue or cutscenes. Examples: Priority Tuchunka: some dialogue saying the oceans are radioactive and useless to drop a Leviathan in. Priority Rannoch: A Leviathan makes planetfall and mentally fights the Reaper until a Geth Submarine kills the Leviathan. Priority Thessia: The Leviathan there turns the Reaper army on itself giving the Asari military time to evacuate. Priority Cerberus Headquarters: A Leviathan corpse is present on monitors, some info talks about vivisection of the 'animals'. Priority Earth: Tank ships ferry Leviathans to Earth, they turn some Reapers against others giving the fleets some relief but they suffer total losses as the Reapers target their ships and escorts. During the final push it is noted the Leviathans have left all fronts due to unacceptable losses.
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- It is clear why the Reapers perceive you as a threat. - But I'm just speaking facts and logical conclusio- - YOU WOULD BE HARD-TO-DEFEAT OPPONENT, WE WILL JOIN YOU.
*Spoiler Warning* So the reapers engineer all races to evolve to the point where they start creating AI...and then kill them so they aren't killed by their AI. Such engineer, much logic, so saviour, wow!
Not really. Every species gradually walks that path on their own for various reasons - be it laziness or efficiency. After all, Leviathan's vassals succeeded admirably in getting themselves extinct time and time gain over god knows how many thousands of years - without fail.
Wouldn't it be better for the Reapers to start engineering societies to avoid such an end point. Furthermore... am I to take by your username that you've played legacy of kain?
I think the idea is to allow life in each cycle to essentially try creating an existence in which they find the solution that allows synthetic and organic to coexist. But inevitably in each cycle organics come to the very edge of something that would lead to synthetics wiping them from existence and so the harvest is initiated. Its not devoid of flaws but it does have a self-contained logic at the very least.
Keep in mind that even they were almost completely wiped out by the Reapers. Control ending looks more appealing nowadays... someone has to defend the galaxy from these guys.
i love how hubriotic these big squiddie lads are honestly. so sure of their supremacy that they can't even acknowledge the reality that they made a mistake. their belief that they're the apex is so telling, they have biotic abilities, sure, but they're vain, and have spent millions of years cowering in an ocean at the edge of existence, but them? MAKE A MISTAKE. NOT POSSIBLE
It's amazing how much better this conversation is then the one with Star-Jar. Proper camera angles, competent voice acting, _not_ framing a short, translucent character against a floor that's just an endless expanse of silvery-white metal, therefore rendering that character all but invisible, things like that.
I love this DLC... I remember seeing Leviathan for the first time and I really felt intimidated. Also the very mission to find them that had you following clues across the galaxy was way cool, I hadn't felt so much like a detective since the Lair of the Shadow Broker. ^^
I honestly expect leviathan to kill him on the spot. but nope, let's conversation and ignore my intentions to kill you for breaching the darkness. they need to tune down the plot armor
Quinix Yashieyama Well, he did say that he had to understand why the reapers perceived Shepard as a threat. it is quite possible that he became curious and re-evaluated his decision to warn off Shepard as he let Shepard descend into their domain.
never played the leviathan DLC and this is literally the first time ever watching it and its blowing my mind/making sense how much the Leviathan and the Reapers resemble each other
DJ Khaled Well, yeah, but let's face it, when the game's whole point is serving as the epic conclusion to a massive trilogy, the ending is, by far, the most important part, and when you fuck that up, the whole game ends up as a wasted opportunity.
That would make sense, because the Leviathans stated; _"Every system, planet and race we discovered became our tools. We are the apex race. We were above the concerns of lesser species. The galaxy bent to our will. Your species could be destroyed with a single thought. "_ Their self-image and behavior is mirrored in the Reapers. With this attitude, the Leviathans are far too dangerous to be kept alive.
Am I one of the few fans who actually enjoyed this? I mean, the writing is impeccable, the plot sound, and the depth of the conversation is unreal. I get that some of you disliked it, but for my part, I thought this was sheer epic.
and this is the ultimate reason why the destruction ending should never be chosen. controlling the reapers would defend us from the leviathans and syntesis would convince them not to enslave other creatures. but destruction would leave us vulnerable.
+elessal Not entirely I see your point but if we kicked the reapers ass. An the leviathan's asses have been hiding because of those very asses who Is to safe they shouldn't fear us? One thing you should know about Evolution, Being first isn't a good thing.
Mozues Olympian the first? when on earth did I mention that being the first at anything makes you better or something? the whole galaxy dropped all it's resources on the crucible and threw every single ship to battle only to buy them time to activate it in the last battle. not to mention that with destruction we destroy all the geth allies, the citadel and will cause massive damage to technology everywhere on the galaxy. in other words the whole galaxy will be vulnerable and separated because of the destruction of the mass relays
+elessal dude but the reapers must be destroyed... synthesis is horrible since it essentially makes us all the same and how can Shepard actually command the reapers??? it's a lie and you know it. The reapers must be destroyed
Aya Otonashi synthesis makes all beings, synthetics and organics alike, connected and alive beings. we all share our collective knowledge and wisdom plus the knowledge of the hundreds now extinct species collected to create the reapers. everyone would be wise, we would all live in full galactic utopía. cultural differences would be a thing of the past. wars between synthetics and organics or between organics and organics would never happen again. synthesis would be the only possible way to actually bring and end to pain and conflict to sapient and non-sapient beings alike. shepard does not command the reapers. he sacrifices himself to create an artificial intelligence-clone of himself that replaces the original reaper AI and, by doing that, the reapers obey an AI that has the same memories and morals of the original shepard. weren't you paying attention to what the reaper artificial intelligence said to shepard? or watched the control ending on youtube? if sheppard wanted to destroy the reapers his AI could still do it in the control ending by sending them to the closest stars. but that would be a waste when they could be used to rebuild cities, the mass relays and as he says it in the ending: to become the protector of those who survived. not to mention that a post-war weakened galactic community and the reapers wiped off the map, if the leviathans wanted to once again take control of the lesser species, probably no one could stop them. choosing destroying the reapers would also destroy EDI, the geth, and all other innocent and peaceful synthetic species in the galaxy, which more than its 99% space is unreachable by the existing mass relays and thus unexplored. that means that you would be sentencing to death millions of synthetic species and synthesized organics (in case the synthesis process has been done before in a smaller scale and that they may be as vulnerable as normal synthetics to the destroy-energy). not to mention that the destroying energy could seriously compromise advanced species's computers and infrastructures (a clear example is the normandy crushing and in need of repair). that would most probably cause billions of deaths, and terrible socio economic consequences that could ignite millions of wars, not to mention apocalyptic situations for space-faring nomad species like the quarians. the destroy ending would without a doubt murder way more innocent beings than the reapers ever did through their innumerable cicles. only a heartless psychopath, an idiot or someone that does not take mass effect seriously would choose destroy after knowing all this.
Imagine going for help from something that can take down a reaper, finding out it made them and then this monster goes "fine, ill help, but just so you know we think we own you and the galaxy, byeeeee"
Nah, The leviathans created the "intelligence" to solve a problem, the "intelligence" created harbinger which in term annihilated the leviathan's race, which by the intelligence logic was the only logical way to solve the problem it was given. Quarians accidentally made a self conscious AI which they were scared of so they tried to destroy it. So the leviathans tried to solve the issue facing the quarians which kept happening, but in doing so creating a worse problem. But to the logic of the intelligence they created, its doing what its supposed to.
This may have been DLC, but it made Mass Effect 3 a 10/10 for me. Something bigger and badder than the Reapers was finally revealed. And gave essential cryptic clues to the origins of the machines. I loved this mission. When The Leviathan sparked the Reaper like a candle, i admit it...My jaw hit the floor.
I cannot fathom the thought process here. “All these species keep making machines that kill them. We should make a machine too, there’s no way it will do the exact same thing to us”
Their origin is so lame and unoriginal. ‘Machines vs. organics’, you know like we already had in the game with the quarians and the geth, except far less interesting. All the epicness and “you cannot comprehend our existence”, “we are beyond your understanding”… seems pretty easy to understand actually. The original idea having to do with dark energy, the eponymous ‘mass effect’ would have been so much more interesting.
In the entire game series this is the scene i always remember as epic and deep it was. Imagine of your entire race that only wanted peace created Ai to protect them then they erased almost most of them and then wanted to took over the entire galaxies..
Something i noticed about Mass Effect is the irony of all species with the ignorance in their decisions, the Leviathans, Reapers, Quarians, Salarians, they all make decisions out of fear but fail to see the future consequences of their actions and act like they are better than the last. The Leviathans feared organics would destroy themselves so they created an intelligence to serve them which ironically turned on them for the very reason it was created thus it in turn created the Reapers while once again thinking of itself as better than it's creators, the Quarians were no different, they created the Geth to serve them and out of fear tried commiting genocide and once again the created turned on it's creators.
But we didn't beat the reapers. Honestly, who still buys the shit multicolored ending? I still can't get behind the fact that the reapers were defeated. Waiting to go back to our galaxy in Andromona and see it an empty husk, take a trip to earth and just see debris field around it. Take a landing to the planet and have a cut scene were you step on an N7 tag and pick it up, only to see it read as "Shepard". Then I'm fully down for a part 2 full scale story against the reapers.
SemperFiMac77 The indoctrination theory had too many flaws in it. The extended ending completely proved it wrong because it added the option to be destroyed.
When will people stop acting like EA had any creative power on the game? They forced Bioware to cut story missions for DLC, but those stories were made by Bioware in the first place. This is not a "justification". It is just an elaboration that should have been in the game from day 1. Blame EA for being greedy, but don't act like this was made by them.
The Leviathan aliens made the starchild AI, and he in turn came up with the reapers,and he did create the very first reapers, but he only took the form from the Leviathan creatures to give the reapers their shape. and after each cycle a new reaper is made from the strongest and best race from that cycle.
8:02 You know, this kind of ruins the "destroy" ending. The Leviathan basically says they still see themselves as above the rest of the galaxy, and the rest of us as a subservient race that they should control. So, if you destroy the Reapers, it goes back to them controlling everyone.
+Nick Mitsialis While I love the reference to Babylon 5, the Vorlon/Shadow affair was more like the Ancient vs Ori from Stargate. Hands-on as opposed to hands-off godhood. I'd liken the reaper situation more to the plot of I-Robot, where the AI designed to help humanity struggles to understand how to go about that, and comes to an unexpected conclusion. A more recent example of that in a game would be SOMA.
:22 Balak talking with a little fast delay on him? You'd think they'd hire a different actor or at least one who could differentiate his voice between characters.
animalruless Then they need to dump the guys who can't sound different from one to another. They should hire me. I've done probably 400 to 500 characters in video games and stuff. that's why I cringe when I hear voice actors in some of these games. Especially characters that sound too similar and you know it's just this same guy doing it. Bioware is a HUGE company and most HUGE companies do NOT hire one guy to do all the voices. Smaller companies do in order to.... save $. At most they might use him for 2 or 3 characters but it's the director's job to make SURE the characters don't sound too similar. They just pitched dude down a little more and put some effect like 3 ms delay and told him to talk slow with no emotion. Get another person!!! You don't want the leviathan guy sounding like Balak on quaaludes!
TruthSurge Actually Bethesda is a huge company and they use the same voice actor for everything just think about Skyrim every nord sounds the same says the same crap same with everyone else
GAMA830 Yep. It sucks. As the person in charge of audio, vo, etc, you should ensure that most of the characters sound fairly different even if you use one person to do say 15 characters. I've done 30 characters in one game but lots of them will be effected after the fact so they should not sound similar enough for someone to go OH, that's just the same guy. I've prob done 400 to 500 characters in computer games. Maybe more. No way to really keep count. You just give up after a while. But I really try to not sound the same if I'm doing multiple characters in the same game. Skyrim prob had what, 250 characters? So, they should have hired at least 10 different actors. that's 25 per person. IF they have a wide range of voices. But I've also done voices for Star Trek Online and Neverwinter. Same thing. The director is telling you basically do this voice so you do it. I try to interject my ideas and they get chopped down so... I just play the puppet and pick up my check.
The leviathans hubris destroyed them. They saw themselves as overlords and omnipotent. They only wanted tribute. That's all they cared about and they did pay the price.
You win an argument with a trascendental, all knowing, mind reading, ethernal living being. Speech increased to 76.
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You have had a conversation with a Leviathan, and convinced them join the war against the Reapers.
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@@8834pogi wish we could speak harbinger and remind him he was a leviathan and now indoctrinated by catalyst and make him suicide x)
Gotta love how the career soldier Shepherd uses basic logic to convince a trillion-year-old monster that he's being a chump.
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Indeed, but remember that despite their age (ancientness?) and power, they are actually quite aloof; perhaps the most of any race in Mass Effect or even in science fiction.
They care only for themselves, and freely use others to their own ends. They don't actually care about any other race, doing so is often just convenient...
***** Yes, they have been aloof for trillions of years. Which is why it's amusing that a mere human can convince this ancient being to come into the light after a single conversation.
+Ninja Channel Thats why they created an AI that eventually kills them all. They are quite dumb actually and arrogant.. Also he´s the progeny and not one of the original Leviathans. So he`s probably only a million years old not a trillion.
Deities Scythe "Only" a million years old, huh? How is a race that is "quite dumb" create an AI capable of destroying all existence, I wonder.
The best part of this conversation is the implication that Harbinger solo'ed the entire galaxy in the first cycle.
i think there were a few more reapers, but harbinger probably could solo a galaxy
that's fucking sad lol
I know, right? Even Leviathan don't see the reapers as a threat but as harvesters
The game says everytime about indoctrination and implies that it's impossible to defeat the reapers
This is the most accurate thing to believe (also because bioware said once that the end of ME3 was already toughted since the begining
And now that one, if ONE reaper can solo a galaxy why would we win?
lmao Harbinger rekt house
Axial nah, he had a bazillian slaves, probably including ones with their own ships. It
So basically the entire Mass Effect story is just one, TITANIC oops.
+Hamza Shukri A "oops" so titanic it took countless cycles to fix it
no its suposed to be a story told to a kid.
+Hamza Shukri Not quite.
The writer for ME1,2& most of 3 explained that the story he envisioned... before, ya know, EA fucked everything up; was that the Reapers detected that the use of Biotics by intelligent races used up/increased the dark matter in the Universe and if life was allowed to exist as it currently did, it would in fact bring the death on the universe on faster than otherwise. So... they keep culling life soon after life reaches the ability for wide spread biotics.
Would have presented a real end game dilemma with the decision being either rebellion, or some level of capitulation to the necessity to go long with the reapers motives...
However nope. Gotta cut shit short so lets throw that ending in a big bloody bin.
+Comando96 Source? Otherwise Ill just assume that the reapers got their arrogance from the creator race and therefore never considered the possible shortcommings of their logic.
+Comando96 So basically, TTGL and Spiral Energy?
"Shit, guys, all those sapient races keep creating AIs that betray them and wipe them out! We'd better create an AI of ambiguous loyalty to teach us how to stop this from happening."
"Huh? What do mean our creations betrayed us we programmed to preserve life!, wait what do you mean someone fucked up the logic software"
lol
Kerensky287 And for artistic integrity they gave us the worst ending ever: make that same intelligence give us 4 restricted options and Commander Shepard just said: sure, I'll do just as you say, you won't screw us over. Load of BS. Seriously. Reapers should've been destroyed and everyone else should've been shown that they're wrong about whatever it is they think before anything actually happens. They keep acting on preconceived ideas as if they know what the other is thinking. And they keep making it seem that machines are god-like. They are pieces of tin and metal, stop this whole: oh they're unstoppable thing. It's the lamest piece of lameness ever. I'm so done with this.
HollowIchigo136 I knew I should have reversed the value of the constant boolean variable!
Yup should have the option to destroy reaper only. This cycle is unique in that no one species is overpower the other. Galactic council is already established and as such they could educate and implement the 3 laws of robotic for future generation from repeating history. :)
This should've been covered in the main game.
***** EA: "DLCs, lots of them"
Mass effect 3 and its DLCs are the equivalent of having its body parts cut off and being 'bought back'.
Just a Dude
That's pretty common nowadays, I suppose.
+JoesGuy Totally agree with you. Including Javik's story, Katsumi's story so that we could have more team member.
Kumiko Akira
Kasumi wasn't free DLC, was it?
Nope. Javik and Katsumi are the DLC that you need to pay Y^Y
so basically lovecraftian old gods that screwed themselves over
and refuse to believe they screwed themselves over
@@michaelhohe2168 lmao!!!!!!
@@michaelhohe2168 now you know where reapers took their arrogance
@@michaelhohe2168
"they betrayed us."
"so you fucked up?"
"we did not. they still serve their purpose"
"but they are hunting even you."
"yes"
"so you fucked up"
"listen here ape, you are two words away from being destroyed by the water pressure down here. now shut the FUCK up"
It's true though they didn't fuck up its doing what it was built to do sadly they didn't think of the possible outcomes
This and Javik should be in the main game.....
No, needed to make them plus dollars
he comments about that: says that they should be destroyed anyway
He is in the WiiU version
Just like arrival should've been included in ME2.
And Omega was supposed to be part of the main game as well....
I'm disappointed that Shepard doesn't lose any points of sanity from this.
+John Shepard Shepard lost their sanity when they kept crap like this until now.
Shepard was actually insane by the ending ... Although im not suprised by it
I know, man. This giant creature appears in front of him, infiltrates his mind and Shepard just has a completely civil discussion with it.
John Shepard
If they wanted him insane, he would have gone insane.
@@Laxhoop yup they searched his/her mind. They watched what shepard has done before. Im sure thats why they find him worthy to listen and didnt screw his mind
After playing through this dlc, the Geth seemed a bigger success than the catalyst. They got along with organics and they spared their creators.
That's because geth are VI's not AI's.
@@Byzantine_Orthodox_Christian The geth are AI, just networked.
@@Byzantine_Orthodox_Christian Geth are accidental AI's. Quarians wanted to make better VI but accidently created AI and tried to cover it. With Most stupid way.
I think that is justified by sherpard existing in this cycle and being an "anomaly" like the leviathan said. If shepard did not exist the Geth would pretty much destroy the quarians if they had the chance
@@grymjaw No the are emergent AI's which literally means a bunch of networked VI's all operating in parallel. All the Quarians did is take a very simplistic AI method and just jacked it on steroids and outfitted it to be used through mobile platforms. The actual brain of a single geth unit is a server hub of thousands of programs and then operating their mobile unit. What makes legion special at all is it's ability to function all the way into organic space without having a hub for all of it's programs. And this is also why when the reaper program was controlling them they were even more powerful than they were without it. The draw back being that they lost their individuality.
and so, Shephard died of severe decompression sickness.
myky992 that applies when I’m the water. The suit has pressurization systems
myky992 I am a SCUBA Diver and I know that he is fine the suit protected him
look at this reaper trying to be cute
Cybernetics, my friend.
And sheer freaking will
"There is no war, there is only the harvest." Is such a bone-chilling sentence.
Finally, now I know why reapers looks like giant squids. That's been bugging me since ME1.
actually it's because originally the reapers got their form from the mass relays
They are very similar if you google Mass Relay and after that a picture of ME1 Sovereign
here is a pathetic attempt of the developers to justify the more retarded plot that they spewed in ME3 by creating a weird alien reaper-look-a-like
arbiteras How the heck did you come up with that?
i took a image of the mass relays and saw something strange that resembled Sovereign
the form and shape are matching.
the left part of the relay ends up carved like Sovereign shares on its hull on the top
masseffectuniverse.fr/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/330px-Sovereign.jpg
look on the top of sovereign hull
and now look at this
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see something similar?
the same top
the more you go to the center,the wider it becomes
img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140623164105/masseffect/images/8/8e/Sovereign's_armada.png
then Sovereign's first "arm" on the center ends like a relay
its design was done to be like a symbol
it's further proven when the Reaper in ME2 had a element zero core,like the mass relay
i'm for damn sure that what we see in that video it's not what the original ME1 had in mind when they did the reapers for the first time
arbiteras The Reapers created the mass relays, how would they get their form from something they made in the first place?
because in ME1 Eaware didn't have this idea in mind,but a different one,i'm sure of it
i've got like a hidden feeling telling me this
"Enough is enough! I've been with this motherfucking AIs in this motherfucking galaxy. Everybody strap in. I'm going to unleash some fucking AI to stop them"
"What the fuck, Barry?"
That you Zaeed?
Seems like unleashing the Leviathan on the galaxy is the worst possible solution to the Reapers. Even if the war is won with their help the Leviathan can just turn around and turn the galaxy into slaves.
Inquisitor Adaar maybe the lesser species should harvest them.
Nah Leviathan makes it clear it doesn't really care about the affairs of all the lesser races. Kinda like the Outer Gods of Lovecraft. They just occasionally use a person to do something. Nothing much more.
In my understanding the Leviathan may not have thought much of the "lesser" species, but they did have an active interest in subjugating and enslaving all of the other species. They may have been content to leave the societies they had enthralled alone after mind-controlling them, but they were still interested in galactic enslavement.
+Inquisitor Adaar I like to imagine if you took Control or Synthesis the Shepard-Reapers/Awakened Reapers strafe this planet from orbit to finish what Harbinger started ages ago.
+Inquisitor Adaar The Leviathan would've come out of hiding if the Reapers were destroyed anyways. Maybe this way it's better, at least knowing what the Leviathan is.
“Your mind belongs to me..... breathe”
Am I the only who gets chills from that line?
Yeah. Pretty sure Leviathan is gonna have to be killed at some point in an ME game though, maybe not Andromeda. But you don't go from being the apex race in the galaxy to just being cool with hanging out in an ocean somewhere. I'd wager that after the Reapers are dealt with, the Leviathan will want to be on top again.
Paragon Control Ending
be on top how? there's only a few of them left
through mind control an entire race like illuminatti or zionists control the humanity and it's course.
insanity wolf So? Just one is powerful enough.
Tomek Piotrowski Okay, buddy. Whatever you say.
So I guess Mass Effect 4 is going to be about stopping oversized cuttlefish?
***** J'zin-Dar called; he wants a refund from the bad skooma you sold him. M'aiq lies about the stuff you sell, too. I don't care, I just want some of that good stuff you sell. I want to go back to Bruma.
*****
What is that quoted from? It sounds vaguely like something off of Doctor Who (yes, I watch the show from time to time), but it could be from something else....and whatever it is it sounds familiar. Curious now.
***** It actually would make sense if me4 played in a different Galaxy.
***** Doubtful, there are too few Leviathans left
Solaxe S Even one is powerful enough, plus squids, octopuses and others of they're family tend to lay a lot of eggs, so I think repopulation and control of the galaxy shouldn't be a problem. Unless the Alliance manages to further develop that shield wich blocks the Leviathans or that Shepard chose the synthesis or control ending.
This should not be dlc. this cutscene (or series of cutscenes, whatever) just filled in parts of the story that many people have begged for or were at least curious about as well as made explanations on things like the reapers' motivation. If they would have just made this part of the story in some nonchalant way then I feel like less people would have been disappointed or upset over the ending.
because EA
Gary Tran
More like, because this is how Bioware is doing business nowadays.
woodwyrm This is wierd im scrolling through comments on an avengers trailer and see your comment and now I come to an bstract video and youre here too, your thumbnail looks like a famous youtuber thats how i recognised it
So the almighty, fearsome Reapers turned out to be yet *another* crazy AI, just bigger and older then Geths?
Except they don't completely eradicate organics but preserve them in reaper form.
Well we know they're machines so it could be assumed that they were an AI experiment gone horribly wrong.
They are bionic.Half synthetic, half organic.Each reaper is made up out of "souls" of the harvested and are also a part of the star child VERY advanced AI.They believe themselves to be the perfect species , understanding both machines and animals .
Geth just tried to genocide ALL quarians. Reapers at least preserve some
@@099Nitro they didn't try to genocide them , but they were defending themselves since the Quarians wanted to destroy them. They even remembered and honored those Quarians who tried to protect them
First thing to do after the ending of Mass Effect 3 is go back to this planet and kill these things. They are not good dudes. Saying things like, "your entire species could be wiped out with a thought" is some serious Thanos level bad.
That's why I go with control ending every time ;)
That why I go with destruction
Destruction does nothing to Leviathan. The Crucible destorys synthetic life (like the Reapers and Geth) not organic life, like Leviathan.
And on top of that: They have absolutely no remorse.
That’s why You synthesis them. Now you’re all one. Hurting you is like hurting themselves
Harbinger: "We preserve all life by removing the advanced races before they could create synthetics that would destroy everything."
Shepard: "Take the quarians, then!"
Tali: "...what?"
Shepard: "They built the geth not us. I promise I will never build any synthetic ever. Nor will the rest of humanity."
Harbinger: "You promise?"
Shepard: "Yep."
Harbinger: "Well, it is a solution. OK. You can go. But you better not be having synthetics when next we come."
Shepard: "A promise is a promise. See you in 50k years....*whistle*...."
Bindair Dundat Hehe. Funny. But by that reasoning, the Squid AI has an ulterior motive - to eliminate competition before it becomes a threat. It knows that the only thing that can truly stop it is another powerful AI that could potentially disrupt it in some way so it kills off all the civilizations that can create such a threat. Smells like paranoic over-the-top self-preservation to me. This could also explain why the AI/Harbinger took over the geth."There can be only one advanced AI in the galaxy, bitches!" :P
Dangerosu Only if the Reapers see themselves as synthetics, wich they don't. they said it in ME1, we are so beyond your comprehension you cannot even begin to understand us. They are a mix between synthetic bodies with the brains of hundreds of millions harvested races. So i don't think they are just trying to put themselves above every other synthetic tbh.
@Chandler Burse Harbinger doesn't have to know that
@@gonkdroid4603 He does since they encountered EDI multiple times AND know about all organic communications. It would be great to do this dialogue while having Legion and EDI as your squad members.
@@Dark_Voice EDI was made using Reaper technology though, so it is possible they might not even perceive her as a traditional AI.
Image you being that close to Leviathan.. that would be scary
"Tribute does not fall from a dead race". Probably one of the most powerful lines in gaming history.
What do you interpret as its meaning?
what it said means the race can't serve leviathens need if the servants are dead, paying tribute in short. they is what made them build the ai.
It gives the leviathans incentive to care for the lives of their servants. Essentially a win-win situation for both parties.
+Ryan Gibson Other species aren't useful to them if they're dead
"Tribute does not fall from a dead race". Probably one of the most powerful lines in gaming history.
....and yet, you misquote it...
Goosebumps at "It chose our kind as the first harvest. From our essence the first Reaper was created." *sad over the shoulder look* "You call it Harbinger."
I think this made the game ending much better. I love the part where he says, "There was no mistake. It still serves its purpose." That arrogance explains the lack of a failsafe built in. Even at the near genocide of their species, and the extermination of countless others, they still don't believe they did anything wrong.
Justin Hannay look at it as communism. in theory its brilliant in the real world its always misunderstood and used wrong. the harvest still has its purpose but is poorly implemented leviathan is right ;)
deenman23 What's the point of saving all of the information from Organic life if you literally leave nobody to learn from it?
@@kagenotatsumaki to quote Mordin "someone else might get it wrong"
@@kagenotatsumaki Look at human beings and how we farm bees, cows, and plants with the same arrogance. All we care about is the DNA to serve our purpose. Leviathans see Reapers the same way. They're collecting all of the knowledge and DNA instead of letting it go to waste during extinction events. I think the idea is if the universe ever reached a point where life ceased to exist, they would replant the planets with that knowledge and DNA.
Emu ... Not sure where our arrogance lies, or where the heck is the similarity between the two situations, especially considering how different were the conditions leading to the respective situations, but okay.
This, Omega, and Javik should all have been in the main game.
Indeed, but it wasn't because EA are a bunch of greedy bastards.
And the Extended Cut.
***** Hopefully they won't
Minimeister317
With the shitfest that came from ME3's ending I doubt they will. They're already spending ALOT of time on DA3, more than twice the amount of DA2 already, so I think it really scared the shit out of them rofl.
1:51 "Your own species could be destroyed with a single FART!"
:D
Forget the crucible then
Death by ultra fart much then
True
Leviathan: *_*proceeds to destroy the entire universe by releasing fart gas everywhere_**
can't unhear it
Holy shit, I get it now. The reapers harvested to bring the preservation of life. But they never understood how to do that because they kept repeating the same cycle. In the end, the answer was their own demise. And the answer is either Destruction, Synthesis, or Control. Goddamn that's deep.
Well they kinda achieves their poke tubes and that was to stop the synthetics from wiping out organic life by wiping out organic life and leaving only the primal races alive lol best answer ever right?
this immediately makes me assume the reapers are dumbasses if they are simply repeating the same method and hope they found a solution by doing the same thing..... after tens of millions of years. if preserving life through harvting the species isn't what they are looking for then wtf, what do they do in their down time every 50,000 years?
Quinix Yashieyama The conditions aren't the same. Each cycle has completely different races, different society, different history, etc. In the previous cycle, the Protheans enslaved all other races. Obviously that didn't work out, so the Reapers wiped all intelligent species out before EVERYTHING was destroyed.
Justin Hannay enslaving a race did create conflict yes. but you think they wiped them all out because they destroyed nearly an entire race that didn't bow before the protheans?
Quinix Yashieyama Too many pronouns in that question, I don't understand what you're asking. Sorry.
Damn this solves so many plot holes. If Leviathan was in the original game and maybe its ending then absolutely no one would have complained. I finally know where the hell the Catalyst came from.
No, it makes the problem worse. So the Leviathans had a problem with their Organic thralls creating Synthetics, so instead of using their mind control abilities, they create a Synthetic to solve the problem... what? Then these all powerful beings lose to the Catalyst before the first Reaper is even created by their very own thralls that they can mind control...? Wouldn't the Leviathans in their infinite wisdom and power at least create some method of controlling the Catalyst like what Cerberus did with EDI? (It's been repeatedly explained that AIs can be installed with behavior blocks.)
The Catalyst's sudden appearance is only part of a larger problem with the whole ending sequence. The main problem with the ending is that it doesn't hold with the vast majority of the Mass Effect series pre-established lore and themes. The story was never about some underlying conflict between Organics and Synthetics -- it was certainly a part of the story -- but only one part out of many, and never to the degree that the Catalyst explained it was (that tensions resulted from a lack of common genetics and a tech singularity, or something). The story wasn't about the Reapers, or their goals and origins; it was about uniting to stop them by gathering allies of different races and cultures and ways of thinking but united around a common goal to protect life and friends, be they synthetic or organic. Again the ending was terrible not because it was confusing (which it certainly was) and ill explained (no one can write the ME3 ending well because the whole premise is flawed), but because it contradicted everything that came before it in order to cram in something that I guess was supposed to be thought provoking and intellectually (it was neither).
The Leviathan DLC is a microcosm of Mass Effect 3. The player is presented with a problem and Shepard and friends go out to investigate; and it's fun because there's mystery and brand new worlds to explore and things to shoot, but all that ends abruptly when the Leviathan is encountered. Suddenly lore and common sense is thrown out the window again in order to validate the ending. It gives explanations for things, I guess, but the explanations are just so nonsensical and contrived that they come off as shlock. It's like the EC where it doubles-down on the stupid instead of distancing itself away from the ending.
In the case of the Leviathans the betrayal was likely meant to indicate that they could make mistakes and did not have infinite wisdom. They were just another life form out there, albeit an old one. I agree with you though that the ending was underwhelming if only because of its inability to link well with the past series. It could have been a lot worse though. I think the team tried to look at the grand scheme of things such as stopping the cycles of devastation instead of simply uniting races to stop the reapers in one cycle. Thats probably where they screwed up by bringing in the catalyst. At the very least they got the emotions right. That I feel is one of the most important parts of any story based game.
imaginarymatter
Don't fully agree on the series not being about the Reapers, there are massive undertones throughout both ME1 and 2 that they have a purpose and the discovery of that purpose would be a major plot development. Most of us know what happened though: the original idea was leaked and they had to divert to something new.
@@garrycotton7094 I'm so over developers changing the story because it got leaked. Just shows cowardice on their part
@@tastycookiechip Facts. I don't know about you but as a consumer, I wouldn't give af if it got leaked because it's ultimately my choice to search it out on the internet. No one is forcing me to sit down and memorize the thing. Not to mention, knowing how something ends sometimes encourages people to actually go through a story to figure out how it happened the way it did. Bioware absolutely trashed an otherwise awesome story by copying and pasting the generic "AI kills master" trope done by every robot scifi movie ranging from I-robot, Terminator and much more. ugh
The whole soundtrack to this DLC is amazing. Just finished up on my playthrough and it never gets old. Love the line "They p lay their tribute in blood."
So, as I understand it, the Reapers are the Anti-Spirals from Gurren Lagann
this! as much as I love mass effect you know Gurren Lagann would have wrapped this up already
Well yes and now. The means are the same. They kill off all high developt life forms. The objective is very different. Anti Spirals want to safe the Universe. They do it by killing all life with high Spiral Power. The Reapers actually want to safe organic life. Just the way they do is fucked up.
The original scrapped dark energy ending was actually really similar to the whole Anti-Spiral motivation.
Honestly, I would have preferred this ending even if it is extremely derivative.
The Leviathan seems very Lovecraftian.
The entire mass effect storyline was heavily based on the lovecraftian notion of unknown horrors lurking in the darkness of space.
billy Siravo jr hello
Nothing says Lovecraft like a race of oversized, telepathic cephalopods
It's bloody hilarious the arrogance of them that they don't see all the flaws in what they did
The ancient space robotic cthullus are actually husks to the real space ancient cthullus!
Really, bioware?
IKR, doesn't that sound stupid?
Yeah this is their attempt at patching all the holes the famous ending created. Not a great attempt but its an attempt...
How is it stupid? It fits in perfectly with what we already know about how the Reapers operate. To create ground troops they turn sapient species into twisted parodies of themselves (husks), so why is the Reapers themselves turning out to be funhouse mirror images of yet another species such a hard fact to credit?
NoXion100 It still follows from the flawed idea that organics will always end up creating synthetics and these synthetics will eventually turn against their organic masters. The fact of the matter is, this is nothing more than a clumsy attempt to ret-con the colossal mistakes they made with the ME3 ending.
It's like we have to choose between no answers and confusion, or all the answers and disappointment.
"There's no accidents, just genocidal mistakes" - Leviathan Ross
Wow, I'm so used to seeing Javik so stoic and indifferent I was surprised to see him risking life and limb to save the commander and so openly concerned about sheperd's condition o.o
This was very near to the ending of playing the game, already had taken em to visit the citadel, made em watch his memory shard, and had the party at the citadel DLC, maybe that changed em a bit.
Eh, who knows.
there's something wrong with that bit, one scene he lost his left arm and the other he has it?
I like how everyone always blames Bioware for terrible endings of the Mass Effect Universe. Unfortunately people fail to see EA is the top dog. Im sure if Bioware had have their way the ending to this series would have been what everyone expected. But EA has deadlines that are non-negotiable which means no matter how epic the story line is or what you have planned EA will always have the final say of when it must come out. I mean Bioware isnt the first to fall victim to it and sadly wont be the last.
We lost a palaven mission and much more because of EA ridiculous deadline, at the beginning they wanted the game to be released after a year and a half of development, bioware barely suceed in having 6 more months but they could have done so much better if they had 3 years (like with the other mass effect) instead of 2.
This comment was four years ago yet still managed to see the shitstorm EA dug themselves in today. Brilliant
Mass Effect Andromeda & Battlefield V in 2018 was their next grand failure
@@jaunvonsokoloveoldchannel7215 Kinda hard to blame EA for ME:A honestly. 5 years in development(ye, EA to blame that they forced BioWare to use shitty Frostbite, which lacked core feautres of a normal engine), they even gave them a full year delay.
Funny how Sovereign spoke like and used even the same words like Leviathan. It is clear where he got his xenophobic supremacist universe view from. lol
After the harvest of an entire cycle, only the best of the races are chosen to be made into a reaper, there minds, ideas, and even their thought are made into another reaper, if even 1% of the mind remains intact, then even their speach and thinking would go into the reaper. would be logic that even a reaper will maintain some of tyhe speeche patterns some of the races before had. again... open to opinions.
grt.
Talking with Leviathans actually made me feel special in a way. It was the authority, the meaning, the magnitude and the demeanor they spoke with. I felt like I had already won the war.
TODAY.. THEY WILL PAY... THEIR, TRIBUTE.. IN BLOOD !!!!!
+animalruless This was the biggest plot twist since Sovereign revealed its true nature in ME1.
+animalruless Tribute does not flow from a dead race.
Fucking leviathan, I wanted so much more of this.
Specifically, I wanted to see Javik talking to Leviathan...so much in common...
+jayive34 And we all know how THAT turned out
Leviathans were pretty damn wicked. They weren't fighting the reapers for "any of the lesser races" lol they would most likely try to retake the galaxy after the battle
Leviathans didn't have to "try" to retake the galaxy back after the battle, if he said that "your own species can be destroyed with a single thought", but then again...if they are so powerfull and it clearly killed that reaper when it tried to destroy Normandy, the question would be, why didn't they make the reapers turn against each other and kill themselfs in the first place lol.
This scene makes more sense than people like to admit. In fact, the whole ending of ME3 does. People just don't like the concept of billions of lives dying as a good thing, for obvious reasons. That's why in ME1 Vigil explains their purpose as possibly unknowable. We can't ponder the concept of infinite time and not putting value on individualism. We can't accept the thought that our own existence is meaningless, because we aren't smart enough for that. Even Leviathan itself admits the intelligence still serves its purpose, but that they simply didn't consider that purpose would take away their own personal desires. In other words, Leviathan accepts the intelligence as doing what it was meant to do, but they no longer want the intelligence to exist now that they see the consequence of what they created on themselves. Being so rapt up in themselves being superior, they ended up forgetting that they too we're imperfect organics. Even they created synthetics that destroyed them, just like the lesser races who they we're trying to "save". It just took them longer.
Idiot.
Sound went out of sync about two-thirds into the video.
O RLY ?
One of the most compelling scenes from a video game. The music here is incredible.
I'm starting to think that Control is the best ending given the Leviathans, specifically with a paragon Shepard. These guys want to go back to enthralling the entire galaxy to serve them. The only thing that could stop them is Shepard, in command of an entire force of Reapers. Maybe high-EMS destroy would work too, as I'd have to imagine that plain old Shepard could do something too (and provide a starting point for ME4).
I never thought about the Leviathans as a possible enemy in ME4, but it would make sense.
That would be a perfect threat in Mass Effect 4, however they would have to add some complexity to it somehow. There's always this underlying theme of chaos and order, maybe some force in the galaxy not neccessarily the player could introduce some temperance to these giant octopuses, introduce a spiritual virtue.
Maybe instead of playing as a commander you could be playing as some kind of monk or holy man, a jesus figure sent as saviour by a GOD race beyond the galaxy to save the lesser species from Leviathan. As you're playing as a species beyond the galaxy you would be able to take any form you like, female or male and even maybe choose what race.
You'd be like Jesus with his disciples, you'd lead by example and maybe that could lead to some kind of crucifiction at the end of the trilogy.
That's why my Paragon Shepard choose control! The way I see it, best option for Renegade Shepard is do nothing because every other option forces Shepard to "trust" the Star Child and I don't think Renegade Shepard trusts anyone but themselves. But most of the Paragon choices involve Shepard taking things on faith. "Turn on Legion" - logic, reason and past evidence suggest its a bad idea and other little and big things on the Paragon path suggest Paragon Shepard is an idealist who has a lot of faith in their fellow creatures whether they are organic, synthetic or something in-between.
So for me, Paragon Shepard wouldn't choose destroy since that would involve destroying the Geth and EDI and she wouldn't go for it. She wouldn't choose synthesis because she's basically imposing her will on everybody and that's assuming Star Child can actually pull it off. But mostly I think Paragon Shepard would think that if that's the final stage of evolution, organics and synthetics must get there on their own. So all that's left is control.
Tinni Choudhury I think refusal is actually more of a Paragon choice. The way I see Paragon vs Renegade is Paragon values morals and ideals over logic, while Renegade is the opposite. Refusal is basically choosing ideals over reason.
I didn't choose Control just because Shepard may go insane. He's there forever, just alone, moving a Reaper army from here to there helping people he can't even actually talk to face to face.
another story important DLC, man EA and bioware, really fucked this game out of so much potential with shit DLC practices.
I say DLC sould only be used for non-story important expansions, that party in the casino is a good example, or strictly cosmetic, or special items, thats it.
they do it with dragon age too you have to buy a dlc to get the actual ending to Inquisition
I expected that.
I really was dissapointed nobody called them out on that.
EAware really bought people's minds.
Just for romances,what a bunch of idiots.
KingTater I love Bioware for more of their older stuff, like Kotor, and the first two mass effects were great, its like after they made the second dragon age, and started working on the star wars mmo they just let EA tell them how to run shit.
Never was a fan of Dragon age, but I know what it is like to get fucked by a game that was supposed to ve awesome.
The Everyday Thinker aye,me too,my favourite game of all time is KOTOR
I play that game at least once a year.
ME1-ME2 were great indeed,the third was a disaster.
Also DA:O was a great game.
TOR instead was a dissapointment and i got really pissed for what they did to Revan
Brining reven back in the old republic, was more or less fan service for the sake of fan service, like they were saying "see long time fans, we get you, please play our games again"
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While I appreciate the answers they gave in Leviathan and the end of the game, I sorta wish they wouldn't have. I mean we were given the impression that reapers and their purpose were simply incomprehensible to mankind in ME1. They simply 'are'. And I always liked that concept. But in ME3 you realize that the reapers really aren't all that grand and supreme, idk it was just sort of a let down for me. But I still really enjoyed the game and the whole organic/synthetic idea.
Well, for what its Worth, they DO remain incomprehensible for majority of players, lol. Just look at all the comments clearly not getting it.
That's not Leviathan's fault though even though it obviously doesn't help to keep the Reaper's incomprehensibility. Just take the ending in which an illogical AI tells you he is the puppet master of the Reapers.
SirLugash uhhh, but the Catalyst logic IS sound. Merciless yes, but it's otherwise a logical and efficient, not to mention supported by over billion years worth of statistical evidence. The Catalyst itself isn't satisfied with it, but points it's the only one that worked...
The people who call it illogical or stupid are the ones being illogical.
TheKain202
I disagree.
"supported by over billion years worth of statistical evidence."... And who is keeping that statistics? Could it be the AI that is wiping out civilisations in an effort to save them? I'm sorry but that's not supporting in any way. If I keep telling myself that I'm making a million bucks a year, it's not making it true. Keep in mind that the Catalyst is doind the cycles in a preventive manner, meaning it wouldn't even know if the organics were threatened to be extinguished by synthetics because it "solved" the problem before that would've been an issue.
You can call me illogical if you want to but the statement that harvesting a species is needed in order to keep them from being destroyed by synthetics they might create is neither compelling nor logical to me at all, but I guess it depends on the definition of "saving life". At least for me, it's not melting people and stuffing them and their technology into a Reaper with no one being even able to benefit from it, neither the civilisation being harvested nor the one that follows as they'll get harvested as well. Reapers don't share the knowledge they acquired from harvested species to take a different approach to the problem, they just use a reaperized species to harvest even more species.
BrandonQ1995 Same thing happened with Halo. The mystery/omnipotence of the flood was erie and interesting. I thought I would love to find out its true nature in the Forerunner series of books, but it turned out to be pretty anticlimactic. I almost preferred not knowing.
Leviathan looking into microscope while studying Shepard is the second best burn delivered in the series. Right after BSJ.
I like “your confidence is singular.”, mostly as that word can mean both “narrow-minded” as well as “impressive”?
So kind of up in the air if the Leviathan intended it to be kind of both.
The script and background music is so good in this scene.EPIC
Makes one think about what might be lurking down in the deep dark parts of our oceans, not this kind of being of course but damn.
We know as much if not less about our oceans than space, which is eerie..
About our galaxy Yes
but not about the whole Space and it's galaxy's that is ridiculous
Who knows, maybe Spongebob was real all along. Who knows...
Undead Sandvich I wouldn't be surprised if there was some kind of Advanced Alien species living in the dark depths of the universe..To say we humans are the only living life forms in the universe is ridiculous.
its possible that we are the first intelligent species, theres a chance we're the last.
Its possible that there is a great obstacle every species has to overcome to become a galactic power, all have failed so far. We dont know untill we find out.
"The reapers view you as a threat"
Cold asf
The fact it took more than one Leviathan to render Shepard comatose is impressive in itself. Why couldn't a Leviathan be a boss?
And what? Kill them? Sometimes people need to learn we cannot kill every single enemy out there. DnD taught me that way with Gods that cannot be killed
Shepard: Wow, Thanks Leviathan!"
Leviathan: "Everybody gets one."
Leviathan should have impacted the whole game with extra dialogue or cutscenes.
Examples:
Priority Tuchunka: some dialogue saying the oceans are radioactive and useless to drop a Leviathan in.
Priority Rannoch: A Leviathan makes planetfall and mentally fights the Reaper until a Geth Submarine kills the Leviathan.
Priority Thessia: The Leviathan there turns the Reaper army on itself giving the Asari military time to evacuate.
Priority Cerberus Headquarters: A Leviathan corpse is present on monitors, some info talks about vivisection of the 'animals'.
Priority Earth: Tank ships ferry Leviathans to Earth, they turn some Reapers against others giving the fleets some relief but they suffer total losses as the Reapers target their ships and escorts. During the final push it is noted the Leviathans have left all fronts due to unacceptable losses.
god i love Leviathan's voice. sounds so cool
@lauri i have no idea what you are talking about. i was simply saying that i love leviathans voice.
This DLC was epic, mindblowing, it explained a lot which was badly needed for the ME universe.
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- It is clear why the Reapers perceive you as a threat.
- But I'm just speaking facts and logical conclusio-
- YOU WOULD BE HARD-TO-DEFEAT OPPONENT, WE WILL JOIN YOU.
*Spoiler Warning*
So the reapers engineer all races to evolve to the point where they start creating AI...and then kill them so they aren't killed by their AI.
Such engineer, much logic, so saviour, wow!
Not really.
Every species gradually walks that path on their own for various reasons - be it laziness or efficiency.
After all, Leviathan's vassals succeeded admirably in getting themselves extinct time and time gain over god knows how many thousands of years - without fail.
Wouldn't it be better for the Reapers to start engineering societies to avoid such an end point. Furthermore... am I to take by your username that you've played legacy of kain?
I think the idea is to allow life in each cycle to essentially try creating an existence in which they find the solution that allows synthetic and organic to coexist. But inevitably in each cycle organics come to the very edge of something that would lead to synthetics wiping them from existence and so the harvest is initiated. Its not devoid of flaws but it does have a self-contained logic at the very least.
They grow that way because the reapers force them to evolve on certain lines of tech. It's like intentionally raising a bad son and then *eating* him.
So leviathan are more powerful then Reapers?
We're fucked.
At least they're organic and shows emotions.
True. XD
Keep in mind that even they were almost completely wiped out by the Reapers. Control ending looks more appealing nowadays... someone has to defend the galaxy from these guys.
This music and dialogue makes my spine shiver every time
This is why I'll never go with the Control ending because I do not want to be on the wrong side of Leviathan
i love how hubriotic these big squiddie lads are honestly.
so sure of their supremacy that they can't even acknowledge the reality that they made a mistake.
their belief that they're the apex is so telling, they have biotic abilities, sure, but they're vain, and have spent millions of years cowering in an ocean at the edge of existence, but them? MAKE A MISTAKE. NOT POSSIBLE
They have to be the next villian in mass effect 4
It's amazing how much better this conversation is then the one with Star-Jar. Proper camera angles, competent voice acting, _not_ framing a short, translucent character against a floor that's just an endless expanse of silvery-white metal, therefore rendering that character all but invisible, things like that.
I love this DLC... I remember seeing Leviathan for the first time and I really felt intimidated. Also the very mission to find them that had you following clues across the galaxy was way cool, I hadn't felt so much like a detective since the Lair of the Shadow Broker. ^^
I honestly expect leviathan to kill him on the spot. but nope, let's conversation and ignore my intentions to kill you for breaching the darkness. they need to tune down the plot armor
Quinix Yashieyama Well, he did say that he had to understand why the reapers perceived Shepard as a threat. it is quite possible that he became curious and re-evaluated his decision to warn off Shepard as he let Shepard descend into their domain.
never played the leviathan DLC and this is literally the first time ever watching it and its blowing my mind/making sense how much the Leviathan and the Reapers resemble each other
Aaand he does jackshit in the final battle!What a wasted opportunity.
+Al Adeeb
>What a wasted opportunity
Mass Effect 3 in a nutshell.
+Dango D. Daikazoku mass effect 3 was a good game aside from the ending.
DJ Khaled
Well, yeah, but let's face it, when the game's whole point is serving as the epic conclusion to a massive trilogy, the ending is, by far, the most important part, and when you fuck that up, the whole game ends up as a wasted opportunity.
***** What's your point? Leaving aside their insulting similarities, the game has one climax, one ending, that branches out into four epilogues.
Dango D. Daikazoku ye shut ya mouf ya fuckin jebend
I never saw it at the time but the fact that THIS and Jarvik the last surviving prothean were just DLC is shocking.
I believe this Leviathan species will play a big role in Mass Effect 4
That would make sense, because the Leviathans stated; _"Every system, planet and race we discovered became our tools. We are the apex race. We were above the concerns of lesser species. The galaxy bent to our will. Your species could be destroyed with a single thought. "_ Their self-image and behavior is mirrored in the Reapers. With this attitude, the Leviathans are far too dangerous to be kept alive.
Am I one of the few fans who actually enjoyed this? I mean, the writing is impeccable, the plot sound, and the depth of the conversation is unreal. I get that some of you disliked it, but for my part, I thought this was sheer epic.
Say what you will but everything in this 12 minute video was more interesting than anything in Andromeda.
I like Andromeda but... yes. This conversation is amazing, one the best moments of the whole series.
@@Resvain 🐑🤡
@@ash_1419 weird way to introduce yourself but ok
@@Resvain says the EA bootlicker.
@@ash_1419 because I kinda like one of their games? Are you stupid or something?
and this is the ultimate reason why the destruction ending should never be chosen. controlling the reapers would defend us from the leviathans and syntesis would convince them not to enslave other creatures. but destruction would leave us vulnerable.
+elessal Not entirely I see your point but if we kicked the reapers ass. An the leviathan's asses have been hiding because of those very asses who Is to safe they shouldn't fear us? One thing you should know about Evolution, Being first isn't a good thing.
+Mozues Olympian Or at least, being first is rarely a good thing.
Mozues Olympian the first? when on earth did I mention that being the first at anything makes you better or something? the whole galaxy dropped all it's resources on the crucible and threw every single ship to battle only to buy them time to activate it in the last battle. not to mention that with destruction we destroy all the geth allies, the citadel and will cause massive damage to technology everywhere on the galaxy. in other words the whole galaxy will be vulnerable and separated because of the destruction of the mass relays
+elessal
dude but the reapers must be destroyed... synthesis is horrible since it essentially makes us all the same and how can Shepard actually command the reapers??? it's a lie and you know it. The reapers must be destroyed
Aya Otonashi synthesis makes all beings, synthetics and organics alike, connected and alive beings. we all share our collective knowledge and wisdom plus the knowledge of the hundreds now extinct species collected to create the reapers.
everyone would be wise, we would all live in full galactic utopía. cultural differences would be a thing of the past. wars between synthetics and organics or between organics and organics would never happen again. synthesis would be the only possible way to actually bring and end to pain and conflict to sapient and non-sapient beings alike.
shepard does not command the reapers. he sacrifices himself to create an artificial intelligence-clone of himself that replaces the original reaper AI and, by doing that, the reapers obey an AI that has the same memories and morals of the original shepard.
weren't you paying attention to what the reaper artificial intelligence said to shepard? or watched the control ending on youtube?
if sheppard wanted to destroy the reapers his AI could still do it in the control ending by sending them to the closest stars. but that would be a waste when they could be used to rebuild cities, the mass relays and as he says it in the ending: to become the protector of those who survived. not to mention that a post-war weakened galactic community and the reapers wiped off the map, if the leviathans wanted to once again take control of the lesser species, probably no one could stop them.
choosing destroying the reapers would also destroy EDI, the geth, and all other innocent and peaceful synthetic species in the galaxy, which more than its 99% space is unreachable by the existing mass relays and thus unexplored.
that means that you would be sentencing to death millions of synthetic species and synthesized organics (in case the synthesis process has been done before in a smaller scale and that they may be as vulnerable as normal synthetics to the destroy-energy).
not to mention that the destroying energy could seriously compromise advanced species's computers and infrastructures (a clear example is the normandy crushing and in need of repair). that would most probably cause billions of deaths, and terrible socio economic consequences that could ignite millions of wars, not to mention apocalyptic situations for space-faring nomad species like the quarians.
the destroy ending would without a doubt murder way more innocent beings than the reapers ever did through their innumerable cicles. only a heartless psychopath, an idiot or someone that does not take mass effect seriously would choose destroy after knowing all this.
10:16 that husk falling off the shuttle makes me laugh everytime
Imagine going for help from something that can take down a reaper, finding out it made them and then this monster goes "fine, ill help, but just so you know we think we own you and the galaxy, byeeeee"
So the quarians did with the geth the exact same thing the leviathans did with harbinger, that doesn't sound like a coincidence lol
Nah, The leviathans created the "intelligence" to solve a problem, the "intelligence" created harbinger which in term annihilated the leviathan's race, which by the intelligence logic was the only logical way to solve the problem it was given. Quarians accidentally made a self conscious AI which they were scared of so they tried to destroy it.
So the leviathans tried to solve the issue facing the quarians which kept happening, but in doing so creating a worse problem. But to the logic of the intelligence they created, its doing what its supposed to.
@@krinord It was a joke but ok
This whole Lovecraftian aspect the Leviathans bring to the series is fantastic. They better be in the next game
Never seen Javik so concerned!
This may have been DLC, but it made Mass Effect 3 a 10/10 for me. Something bigger and badder than the Reapers was finally revealed. And gave essential cryptic clues to the origins of the machines.
I loved this mission. When The Leviathan sparked the Reaper like a candle, i admit it...My jaw hit the floor.
My god make this a proper movie trilogy. This is more epic than 99% of all movies or series out there!
I cannot fathom the thought process here. “All these species keep making machines that kill them. We should make a machine too, there’s no way it will do the exact same thing to us”
Hearing his voice through Ann's image is fucking creepy.
Can't wait to see this again with the new Legendary Edition coming! ^^
This dlc is so fucking good and this ending conversation gives me chills. So awesome to know the origin of Reapers.
Their origin is so lame and unoriginal. ‘Machines vs. organics’, you know like we already had in the game with the quarians and the geth, except far less interesting. All the epicness and “you cannot comprehend our existence”, “we are beyond your understanding”… seems pretty easy to understand actually. The original idea having to do with dark energy, the eponymous ‘mass effect’ would have been so much more interesting.
In the entire game series this is the scene i always remember as epic and deep it was. Imagine of your entire race that only wanted peace created Ai to protect them then they erased almost most of them and then wanted to took over the entire galaxies..
Something i noticed about Mass Effect is the irony of all species with the ignorance in their decisions, the Leviathans, Reapers, Quarians, Salarians, they all make decisions out of fear but fail to see the future consequences of their actions and act like they are better than the last. The Leviathans feared organics would destroy themselves so they created an intelligence to serve them which ironically turned on them for the very reason it was created thus it in turn created the Reapers while once again thinking of itself as better than it's creators, the Quarians were no different, they created the Geth to serve them and out of fear tried commiting genocide and once again the created turned on it's creators.
Ugh, ME2 and 3 really cheapened the Reapers.
Puglous Very true. Have you looked up the original concept for the ME storyline? About the dark matter? It's pretty interesting.
But we didn't beat the reapers. Honestly, who still buys the shit multicolored ending? I still can't get behind the fact that the reapers were defeated. Waiting to go back to our galaxy in Andromona and see it an empty husk, take a trip to earth and just see debris field around it. Take a landing to the planet and have a cut scene were you step on an N7 tag and pick it up, only to see it read as "Shepard". Then I'm fully down for a part 2 full scale story against the reapers.
Sorfex Malidore I just use the indoctrination theory as cannon.
SemperFiMac77 The indoctrination theory had too many flaws in it. The extended ending completely proved it wrong because it added the option to be destroyed.
I'm not saying it was right, but I do think it was better than the "pick your color" bullshit we got.
The Leviathan DLC: EA's attempt to justify the Starbrat ending.
All the dlc combined gave a new ending which was a better one than the originals, in a way they made up for it.
how was there a new Ending?
AfterlifeGaming DLC had a new ending, are you stupid?
When will people stop acting like EA had any creative power on the game? They forced Bioware to cut story missions for DLC, but those stories were made by Bioware in the first place. This is not a "justification". It is just an elaboration that should have been in the game from day 1. Blame EA for being greedy, but don't act like this was made by them.
Calm down weeb, all I said was the ending was made better.
Jesus christ.
The Leviathan aliens made the starchild AI, and he in turn came up with the reapers,and he did create the very first reapers, but he only took the form from the Leviathan creatures to give the reapers their shape. and after each cycle a new reaper is made from the strongest and best race from that cycle.
Stinkbugs is a label created by humanity. They neither "stink", nor are they "bugs". I speak only for myself.
This is a lesson in hubris.
The desperation in Sheps voice when he asks "What do you know about the Crucible?" gives me goosebumps. His last resort packed in one question..
8:02 You know, this kind of ruins the "destroy" ending. The Leviathan basically says they still see themselves as above the rest of the galaxy, and the rest of us as a subservient race that they should control. So, if you destroy the Reapers, it goes back to them controlling everyone.
Epic DLC, rivals Lair of the Shadow Broker when it comes to best in the series.
Citadel might be a contender for best. But for story, those two are neck and neck.
Having played all three games with all available DLC, this one gets my vote every time. It is Epic. Very "enthralling", pun intended.
Also try Project Overlord in ME2. Slow beginning with the M-44 Hammerhead, but it has a strong ending.
mclightning88 Square root of 912.04 is 30.2... it all seemed harmless...
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When I heard that for my first time, it was really riveting!
Shepard: "You're being a wimpy little bitch."
Leviathan: "You don't know me!"
Hmmmm...sounds like Shadows vs Vorlons, with a dose of freespace thrown in for good measure
+Nick Mitsialis While I love the reference to Babylon 5, the Vorlon/Shadow affair was more like the Ancient vs Ori from Stargate. Hands-on as opposed to hands-off godhood. I'd liken the reaper situation more to the plot of I-Robot, where the AI designed to help humanity struggles to understand how to go about that, and comes to an unexpected conclusion. A more recent example of that in a game would be SOMA.
Those Leviathans and Reapers are very Lovecraftian in a sense
:22 Balak talking with a little fast delay on him? You'd think they'd hire a different actor or at least one who could differentiate his voice between characters.
TruthSurge Bioware usualy sticks with the same voice actors throughout all their games, lots of the actors do multiple chars.
animalruless Then they need to dump the guys who can't sound different from one to another. They should hire me. I've done probably 400 to 500 characters in video games and stuff. that's why I cringe when I hear voice actors in some of these games. Especially characters that sound too similar and you know it's just this same guy doing it. Bioware is a HUGE company and most HUGE companies do NOT hire one guy to do all the voices. Smaller companies do in order to.... save $. At most they might use him for 2 or 3 characters but it's the director's job to make SURE the characters don't sound too similar. They just pitched dude down a little more and put some effect like 3 ms delay and told him to talk slow with no emotion. Get another person!!! You don't want the leviathan guy sounding like Balak on quaaludes!
TruthSurge Actually Bethesda is a huge company and they use the same voice actor for everything just think about Skyrim every nord sounds the same says the same crap same with everyone else
GAMA830 Yep. It sucks. As the person in charge of audio, vo, etc, you should ensure that most of the characters sound fairly different even if you use one person to do say 15 characters. I've done 30 characters in one game but lots of them will be effected after the fact so they should not sound similar enough for someone to go OH, that's just the same guy. I've prob done 400 to 500 characters in computer games. Maybe more. No way to really keep count. You just give up after a while. But I really try to not sound the same if I'm doing multiple characters in the same game. Skyrim prob had what, 250 characters? So, they should have hired at least 10 different actors. that's 25 per person. IF they have a wide range of voices. But I've also done voices for Star Trek Online and Neverwinter. Same thing. The director is telling you basically do this voice so you do it. I try to interject my ideas and they get chopped down so... I just play the puppet and pick up my check.
+TruthSurge Did you know that Mark Meer, male Shepard's voice also voices every single Hanar in all 3 games?
My favourite dlc. Loved very second of it.
The leviathans hubris destroyed them. They saw themselves as overlords and omnipotent. They only wanted tribute. That's all they cared about and they did pay the price.
So the Leviathan is basically an evolved Trilobite.
n3rdbear and a Cthulhu