To think, Javik was in stasis on Eden Prime from the very first mission of the entire series. If they'd expanded their search for other prothean ruins and woken up a living Prothean who could provide irrefutable testimony that the Reapers were real and coming for them, just how different would things have played out.
They would have been better prepared, but still the Reapers would have been more than a match for them. Only if they would have discovered the Crucible schematics earlier and built it before their arrival, they would have avoided a lot of losses, but even Javik was unaware of their location, so even if he was woken up in the first game he would've hardly made any difference.
Collectors were refined husks. The indoctrinated have a shelf-life. They don't last long, so they genetically modified the indoctrinated Protheans which resulted in the Collectors.
@@blakedevitt6948 How can you "refine" a husk? Husks have no intelligence and unit cohesion and are only capable of short term tasks and deployments. Collectors were different. They were organized and were capable of forming military hierarchies and negotiating secret deals with other organics without reaper intervention
The feeling is really heavy. Imagine yourself in a pod and the AI tells you that it will kill everyone else so you will live until the next Civilisation manages to find you.
Das Institut I would grit my teeth and say, "My kind is extinct, my empire has fallen, my enemy has indoctrinated my brethren, all history of my kind is eradicated, and to make things worse the primitive races we discovered have not advanced and forgotten our existance... But I shall not mope, the Reapers will not have their diabolocal sipping tea. I will avenge my people and every other cycle that has fallen."
I know, and imagine you're the only human and different types of aliens wake you up and the reapers are back. It's like you would have never left the war
I kinda pity Javik. Imagine if you were buried under your city and woke up thousands of years later to see it all gone, literally. The shock heartbreak must have been huge for him.
I would make the best out of it. If you're the sole survivor it is your duty to fulfill your kinds last wishes. Teach the new races your ways, guide them as you did in the days of old. Prepare them to face the enemy you couldn't defeat long ago. Knowledge is power, age is wisdom, and you succeeded so pass them on to the newer species.
Atlas you are right. But the Protheans did not know how to stop the reapers, and by the time Javik wakes up the galaxy is at war again. He did said he wanted to prepare us if he would have waked up earlier (Imagine if we would have found him in mass effect 1 when we were exploring Eden Prime,then his information could have saved so many) but when he wakes up it's simply too late for any of that. The cycle repeats. We need to survive again
Karol Osmański I'm just sick of the "humans vs aliens" survival action. It became so generic. That's why I want to play as a Prothean. Witnessing the fall of their mighty empire.
Siddiq Ismail That would be actually, "humans vs half-synthetics". Still, I think it would be great- always wanted to see horror/survival game based on movie War of the Worlds, and this here would be very similar, with more shooting. I get your point though.
@@xuanminglu1507 considering what happened to the Protheans who got turned into collectors, how Reapers changed them, morphed them and turned them into slaves. Extinction would be more preferable in a scenario like this.
The music and the visuals when Javik stood looking out at the wilderness that was once a city, one that he himself saw less than an hour ago, and yet 50,000 years had passed was just amazing and had a perfect synergy. It was beautiful and terrible at the same time.
Hearing Javik claim: "a few hundred people, how am I to rebuild an Empire from that?" And then "I will be more than that" really goes a long way to illustrate the Program Ethos. Just like with the Team on Ilos, they knew the Protheans were over, but VENGEANCE was still achievable. Either by disabling the Keeper Signal as explained by Vigil, or by vowing to carry on the fight into the next cycle, the Protheans would have their vengeance.
"Their sacrifice will be honored in the coming empire" - Javik "Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters" - also Javik
@@adamclarke1252 well, "growth" is a strong word, considering that from his perspective there's like... a couple hours between him saying those two lines?
@@xonxt I'm surprised this came up in my notifications. But in those 2 hours his entire race is gone and the galaxy has completely changed. That'll make anyone reflect I think. 😅
Serlok Brixe It's true. If you let him use the echo shard he tells you that he intends to kill himself after the war is over so that he can be reunited with his people in death.
Let's hope there's a show called Javik reviews, in which Javik reviews different things of each cycles, and either get his stamp of approval, or get thrown out of the airlock.
+Red The Warlock47 I would like to see and know more about the other races which lived during the times of the Empire (like the Oravores and the Zha'til). They are only briefly mentioned sometimes by Javik, but he hardly gives any deep insight about their culture, appearance and technology.
Sextus70 Nope. What I'm saying is that Javik would have known very little of the Empire, or its vassals as he was born long into the war. Remember that most records of these would have been long lost, even then.
Whenever I imagined the Protheans, I always imagine wise and benvolent beings who sailed amongst the stars helping lesser races out of the goodness of their hearts. Though now that I think about it, they couldn't have ruled the whole galaxy if they were like that. It was naive of me to think that anyone could've remained that way, especially when warring with the Reapers.
I know this is an incredibly late comment but the Protheans of Javiks day, he was almost a child when the Reaper war began, were different than the Protheans at their peak. They could have been similar to the Asari. But decades of a losing war, and one with a foe like the Reapers at that, took its toll on their people and culture.
@@music79075 I have to correct you , Reaper war was fought for centuries, when Javik was born , Prothean empire was already dead and all advanced civilizations where doomed
They learned about it on the Collector Ship. Though he would've recognized them on either Horizon or Freedom's Progress since we saw him fighting them.
He's the most interesting character in the whole series to me. Every decision he makes involves sacrificing his own people. Despite this he continues to fight on. Even after everyone and everything he has ever known is dead. There's incredible sadness but he simply doesn't have time for it. He knows that his people created the first realistic opportunity of defeating the reapers and it's his responsibility to see it through.
Yea that thing was elusive. I sunk well over 300 plus hours “rookie numbers” into it and never once scored that rifle. I was happy to at least get the collector rifle.
I sunk over $5,000 buying credits, an additional millions of credits trying to unlock the Krogan Shaman, never got it. Don't feel too bad. I did unlock everyone else and up to the level 5 Prothean Rifle. Only lvl 2 N7 Typhoon. Still pissed they didn't make the multiplayer DLC for legendary
hmm waking up 50,000 years into the future.. i would probably laugh like a hatter for a day or two, then insanity would get booring and i would try to find a new purpose.
Lucky for him though he can understand everyone. If you went 50K years into the future and if humans were still around they probably wouldn't even speak English anymore or speak evolved versions of languages.
The Protheans though, they're all biotic and possess a sensory ability. They're probably one of the most challenging cycles against the Reapers, as it took them centuries, and even then, two groups survived the ordeal, the Illos scientists and Javik, he's alive too. But holy shit, I genuinely love the Protheans, so interesting and dang cool. Spanning the whole galaxy and enslaving numerous species, and uplifting them. They are truly a powerful civilization and race, I hope to see more about them in Mass Effect 4 and my based bro, Javik
Their entire philosophy was incredibly primitive and boiled down to "might equals right" an inherently flawed philosophy that literally NO ONE can actualy live out even the protheans couldn't live it out, When the reapers were blasting them to oblviion, the protheans weren't like "Oh well they're stronger then us so what they are doing to us is totally okay" No, they fought back.
While a bit forceful and any excuse wouldn't make what they did was right. Javik shouldn't be used as an example of what Protheans are, since he was a product of his time, a time of war when he was born. Trained to be an efficient warrior and do what is needed to prolong their inevitable extinction. They've forced and enslaved numerous species because of their need of securing their own survival and dominance over the machines, Javik likely sugar coating the "uniting all organic life" to make it justifiable. They're just damn assertive and aggressive, due to their superiority complex, similar to the Roman Empire. But they've had civilization going well for a few hundred to thousand years until the Reaper came around, they didn't back down and did everything they could.
Not only that, even after defeating them... the Reapers couldnt use their DNA to make a Prothean reaper as contrary to many many other races in the past.... so they left the collectors instead to help in the next cycle.
@@antoniomigueljimenezmartin4018 It was only during the closing years of their harvest that Collectors were first seen. By this time, the remaining Collectors were indoctrinated due to the modifications they've done to them for too long, that none of them were useful for the process of creating a Reaper. The war with the Protheans took centuries, I imagine the "sacrificed" worlds weren't entirely all Prothean, but of the subjugated species. Protheans literally had laser guns blasting the hell outta a Reaper in one of the sudden frames, they likely had no use for vehicles (probably not) and that shows the Prothean might lol
Vrolijke Vent Javik: 50,000 years... My people are gone but I'll rebuild by teaching the other races of this cycle my history. It'll take a decades but I will teach them how to also prepare for the reapers, vengeance will be mine! Shepard: Yeah about that... Javik: What... Shepard: Yeah they are kind of already here... Javik: ...Tell me does your ship have an airlock? Shepard: Yeah? Javik: I will come with you and help you prepare but I first require time alone with the airlock. Shepard: Why the airlock? Javik: ...It's was a stress relief for my people during our cycle...
+Tom Lasky Except the Forerunners were even bigger douchebags to the races of their time and had technology that makes the Reapers look primitive by comparison.
+Tom Lasky Its common in Sci Fi to have the "ancient space faring people that disappeared and has technology that makes our look like toys" So yeah, they're similar, except for the technology, the protheans didn't even build worlds or had weapons that can one shot a city. the forerunners were into some crazy shit back then, building a hollowed out planet is nothing for them, and to think they lost to parasites.
that1dude0092 The Flood is no mere parasite. It is the final evolution of the Precursor race, the race that predates and even created the Forerunners and most life in the known universe. They are so old that they predate the birth of the current universe by tens of billions of years and their technology was so advanced that they built "star roads" between star systems out of "neural physics" and when utilized by the Flood, these things could crush planets like eggs in the palm of ones hand.
RazgrizOne A parasite that absorbed the knowledge of everything it assimilated. Assuming it assimilated billions of Forerunners, the parasite would have the combined knowledge of those billions of Forerunners. Now that, that sheer combined intelligence, is a devastating force.
50000 years ago... Javik, as always, is extremely concise: - Brothers! At this difficult moment, I am not talking to you as a commander, but as a senior comrade. The ruthless enemy attacks from all directions, and there is nowhere to wait for help. Our sacred duty to the Empire and its people is to buy time at any cost to prepare for the defense of the Eden Prime colony. The survival of our people in this terrible war depends on whether we can hold out and gain time. There is no point in hiding: none of us will leave here. But our Empire will survive! Brothers! Fighters! I hope for you. May each of you honestly fulfill his duty ...
Actually, considering his speech and reactions in flashbacks and how supportive he can actually be (with Liara, on Citadel and in his last speech with Shepard), it seems that he isn't such a heartless troll.
As cool as it was to see Protheans fighting Collectors, I feel like the Prothean Husks should’ve been blue and mechanical like Husks in the current cycle. From what I understood in ME3, Prothean Husks were given some sort of preservative that changed them from Husk form to the Collector form, that way they can wait out the 50,000 years without the weakness of aging or withering.
Superior numbers has always been the Reapers saving grace. That, and their weaponry is more accurate, I believe, than covenant plasma. But the main advantage UNJSC ships have over Alliance ships is that UNSC ships use AI.
It’s really remarkable that the Protheans not only held out for hundreds of years but had some resounding successes (like Ilos). On paper they were tailor made for a quick reaping cycle. A centralized empire with multiple subservient, rebellious races that would immediately turn once the citadel, the seat of their power, fell. They held out as an organized resistance for hundreds of years and had the most apparent success in warning and safeguarding the next generation.
Damn that’s some of the best transitions I’ve seen in a cutscene period at 3:58 it’s almost as good as the god of war ragnorak cutscenes I mean seriously for us it’s been 50,000 years but for him a few minutes
To make that viable, the clones would need to have their DNA altered enough to give them genetic variance (this includes gender variation). It would require sufficient understanding of Prothean genetics and morphological development. But if they knew how turn a clone of Javik into a population, it's possible.
i got the dlc from the digital deluxe version, its cheaper than the dlc, and i still got to hear Javik tell shephard about using the airlock to throw things out of it quite frequently, plus he shared his infinite ammo particle rifle that melts stuff.
***** Maybe also Grunt and Wrex (I've read that the Krogan's average lifespan is as long as the Asari). EDI could also appear if the canon ending of Mass Effect 3 is not the Destroy one (which seems unlikely because it is the only where Sheppard survives).
@@Sextus70 Who knows? I mean if they won against the reapers who knows what technologies they would find? The reapers are a million years old AI which harvested the science of thausands of cycles. I doubt they just destroyed everything, they probably kept records of the harvested civilisations and their different scientific gains. So maybe scientists would make huge improvements in the decades after the reaper invasion and be able to save that iconic squad that saved the galaxy. But on the other hand then they would have found a quicker way to andromeda, like a mass relay etc and been there before the initiative.
thats because thats exactly what they are, its said the reapers re wrote the genetic coding heavily of the protheans to become the collectors, however they still have prothean dna inside them which is why EDI was able to clarify that the collector that was killed inside the collector base mission is mass effect two was in fact long ago a prothean
I'd say yes but the price is a bit high for a fairly short mission, but I guess it balances out by having Javik for the rest of the game, he adds a lot of good insight to be fair, comments on a lot.
+The Extinct Surgeon The Flood turns their victims' technology against them. If we're talking about the Flood from the Forerunner era, they annihilate the Reapers as an afterthought.
This subplot was more gut punching, badass and immersive than most of the game. I'd buy bot with Prothean VI voice :D as assistant. I'd love to see ME game in Prothean Cycle invasion - not necessarily in same convention. Strategy? FPS? Story based LoU2? Another ME game? Writing is AMAZING - "Their sacrifice will be honored in coming empire" pharase back and forth...
The standard ship-mounted MAC fires a 600-ton ferric-tungsten projectile with a depleted uranium core at 30,000 meters per second. At 2.7e14 Joules per shot (KE=.5 x 600 000 kg x 30 000 m/s x 30 000 m/s), it has a standard destructive output of 64.53 kilotons TNT-equivalent.
I know it would be difficult to write and pull off, but we need a Javik series of either the game mass effect or even a TV show from netflix. That would be insanely awesome and dive into more philosophy and literature about the reapers and the prothean empire like never before.
That's amazing how the Protheans were described as a super evolved perfect race living in the Milky Way thousands of years ago. That's perfectly represented through the feelings Liara had when she spoke with Javik. Since the beginning, we thought the Protheans were living in a perfect world. But Javik showed us that the Protheans weren't the perfect nation we thought but basically a fascist empire, invading and assimilating by fear or force every other race in the galaxy, that all ended to be named Protheans too. The Protheans were pragmatic soldiers, not the utopian people the scientists told us. And this surprise was perfectly made.
And how where they a fascist empire you idiot? Don't throw a word around if you don't even understand it meaning and frankly what they where doing was justified
@@tylerdunn9683 Seems like you need to replay the game and see what they actually did. Or you have some serious issues if you think enslaving entire races (if they disagreed and didnt wanna be enslaved they whiped them out) is ok.
To be fair though, Javik aint the best example of a Prothean. He was born already when Protheans were heavily losing the war and liven most of his life when Protheans were just clinging to their last worlds before being eradicated (or turned to Collectors) SO he would be way more cynical than the rest of them. From Priority: Earth you can see that Javik is actually way more civilized than the Krogan, Yahg and it seems even Turians.
@@Dark_Voice I have played the game idiot and tell me do you even have a clue what fascist even means and if you do then what definition fascist since there is 20 different definition of the term
-shrugs- all of them are vacuum sealed and can heal any radiation. Also could reset one's personality in cases of extreme mental damge. That is only a few things the armor can do.
They do seem to indicate that the Prothean Empire was heavily situation in what is now the Attican Traverse. I would assume that's where the Prothean homeworld was. I kind of wonder if it's Feros considering it had a giant Prothean metropolis.
+LightningSamus I can't agree more, I live on a Caribbean Island and what really bothers me is when Americans ask me if I'm Jamaican like Jamaica is the only Caribbean island in existence.
The Protheans were generally much more advanced than the cycle we play in. They were also closest to finishing the crucible and only messed up because of in-fighting due to indoctrination.
Why that Prothean have four eyes.I remember in the first Mass Effect on Illion that the dead bodies of the Protheans had two eyes and they were very tall,sitting on chairs.Now it's like the Collector but with a smaller head?
+alexbill1000 Those statues were of the Inusannon, an ancient race before the protheans. The protheans used the ancient Inusannon city as a research facility.
+Trevor Smith Yeah. Especially their leader.He had a big head.I can't even imagine what Reapers did to them.Before Shepard Commander destroy their facility,Harbringer released them and they understood what they had become.Oh Harbringer.So evil and cool.They should have added more about him at ME 3
Think about this for a second, a soldier goes down next to you and you pull him back not to save his life, but to keep him from being turned against you...that kind of warfare is a nightmare, and that's what Javik faced all his life. Then he wakes up at the beginning of the next cycle and that reality hasn't set in for those people, it's no wonder he's so cynical. His lifetime was the end of centuries of a living nightmare, fighting hopeless battle after hopeless battle, and his last mission was to lead a million soldiers but only he survives. How would anyone of us deal with that? Waking up from a hopeless cause to another hopeless cause....there is no war, there is only the harvest.
I get that they didn't show the Protheans for that long, but is anyone else pretty disappointed by the fact that all the models were the same? They were all Javik, didn't even notice any difference in the colors between them
If Javik was discovered and joined up with Shepard's crew early on, I guess the first Mass Effect would end a bit differently. Kaidan or Ashley probably would still have to take the sacrifice, can't see Javik making a difference on that one. Garrus, Wrex, and Tali join up while investigating Saren on the Citadel anyway, so no change to that. Liara, however, was recruited because she's Prothean expert, which in this scenario is rendered redundant because we have an actual Prothean here who can probably read the message in Shepard's head in the first place. It'd be interesting still if she just joins up simply because there is an actual Prothean on the ship. What I'm more interested in is what would happen to him after the first Normandy was destroyed by the Collectors...
To think, Javik was in stasis on Eden Prime from the very first mission of the entire series. If they'd expanded their search for other prothean ruins and woken up a living Prothean who could provide irrefutable testimony that the Reapers were real and coming for them, just how different would things have played out.
Knowing the Council they'd have said he was fake
lizcat141 they'd be more inclined to listen methinks, after Javik threw Sparatus out the airlock mid air quote.
+vanguard1234523 yeah, and we wouldn't have to pay 10 bucks to play along him in and underwhelming sequel.
i think about that every day honestly
They would have been better prepared, but still the Reapers would have been more than a match for them.
Only if they would have discovered the Crucible schematics earlier and built it before their arrival, they would have avoided a lot of losses, but even Javik was unaware of their location, so even if he was woken up in the first game he would've hardly made any difference.
Protheans fighting there former comrades as the collectors.
Humans fighting there former comrades as husks.
Angarens fighting their former comrades as Kets.
Now that you mention it. Collectors were just another controlled species like husks, marauders, banshees etc.
The ones Javik was fighting were Prothean Husks. Collectors weren't husks. They were built separately
Collectors were refined husks. The indoctrinated have a shelf-life. They don't last long, so they genetically modified the indoctrinated Protheans which resulted in the Collectors.
@@blakedevitt6948
How can you "refine" a husk? Husks have no intelligence and unit cohesion and are only capable of short term tasks and deployments.
Collectors were different. They were organized and were capable of forming military hierarchies and negotiating secret deals with other organics without reaper intervention
The feeling is really heavy. Imagine yourself in a pod and the AI tells you that it will kill everyone else so you will live until the next Civilisation manages to find you.
Das Institut
I would grit my teeth and say, "My kind is extinct, my empire has fallen, my enemy has indoctrinated my brethren, all history of my kind is eradicated, and to make things worse the primitive races we discovered have not advanced and forgotten our existance... But I shall not mope, the Reapers will not have their diabolocal sipping tea. I will avenge my people and every other cycle that has fallen."
@@noisemarine561 ....sure
@@noisemarine561 it's been 3 years, think this is cringe yet ?
@@yourtrappedinmygenjutsu I think it was inspiring, actually.
I know, and imagine you're the only human and different types of aliens wake you up and the reapers are back. It's like you would have never left the war
I kinda pity Javik. Imagine if you were buried under your city and woke up thousands of years later to see it all gone, literally. The shock heartbreak must have been huge for him.
Antonio Almeida I couldn't handle it... Family, friends, hell even enemies gone... And I am supposed to carry on without them?
Well In case of javik his enemies are still here.
Not only was it all gone but it was replaced.
I would make the best out of it. If you're the sole survivor it is your duty to fulfill your kinds last wishes. Teach the new races your ways, guide them as you did in the days of old. Prepare them to face the enemy you couldn't defeat long ago. Knowledge is power, age is wisdom, and you succeeded so pass them on to the newer species.
Atlas you are right. But the Protheans did not know how to stop the reapers, and by the time Javik wakes up the galaxy is at war again. He did said he wanted to prepare us if he would have waked up earlier (Imagine if we would have found him in mass effect 1 when we were exploring Eden Prime,then his information could have saved so many) but when he wakes up it's simply too late for any of that. The cycle repeats. We need to survive again
It would be kind of cool to play even a short campaign where you are a Prothean making a desperate stand against the Reapers.
It would have been even cooler to play as someone on earth while Reapers attack. Like some action/survival game.
Karol Osmański We don't want another Gears of War/Halo. I'd rather play as a Prothean soldier, that's cooler.
Siddiq Ismail
Well I never played Gears of War or Halo, so yeah.
Karol Osmański I'm just sick of the "humans vs aliens" survival action. It became so generic.
That's why I want to play as a Prothean. Witnessing the fall of their mighty empire.
Siddiq Ismail That would be actually, "humans vs half-synthetics". Still, I think it would be great- always wanted to see horror/survival game based on movie War of the Worlds, and this here would be very similar, with more shooting.
I get your point though.
"Their sacrifice will be honored in the coming empire."
They wanted to enslave the new cycle as much as the reapers did
Michigeo enslave is a lot more different than extinction.....
@@xuanminglu1507 considering what happened to the Protheans who got turned into collectors, how Reapers changed them, morphed them and turned them into slaves. Extinction would be more preferable in a scenario like this.
The Greater Good
@@xuanminglu1507 I would rather die fighting than submit to enslavement.
The music and the visuals when Javik stood looking out at the wilderness that was once a city, one that he himself saw less than an hour ago, and yet 50,000 years had passed was just amazing and had a perfect synergy. It was beautiful and terrible at the same time.
one of the most well written characters who you can not experience ME3 without, and he is DLC.
Gladly in ME3 Legendary Edition you get everything
Hearing Javik claim: "a few hundred people, how am I to rebuild an Empire from that?" And then "I will be more than that" really goes a long way to illustrate the Program Ethos.
Just like with the Team on Ilos, they knew the Protheans were over, but VENGEANCE was still achievable. Either by disabling the Keeper Signal as explained by Vigil, or by vowing to carry on the fight into the next cycle, the Protheans would have their vengeance.
It's possible to rebuild with a few hundred. You just need a LOT of careful micromanagement over who mates with who.
"Their sacrifice will be honored in the coming empire"
- Javik
"Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters"
- also Javik
I like that though, it shows the growth of his character rather than him contradicting himself.
@@adamclarke1252 well, "growth" is a strong word, considering that from his perspective there's like... a couple hours between him saying those two lines?
@@xonxt I'm surprised this came up in my notifications. But in those 2 hours his entire race is gone and the galaxy has completely changed. That'll make anyone reflect I think. 😅
Different kinds of honor. The first one is respect for the dead. The second is the more traditional sense of honor
“Do not care what others think. Do what you must.” At the same time Javik says “throw it out of the airlock commander” make up your mind javik
"You will be the voice of our people", "I will be more than that" and he definitely was.
When I beat Mass Effect 3, I was really hoping that you would play as Commander Javik instead of Commander Shepard. Javik is the Shepard of his cycle.
well... there's always mass effect 4.
ricardo Dowling That is what I am saying. I really hope that there is at least ONE level where you get to play as Javik.
Serlok Brixe Doesn't he kill himself at the end of ME3, though?
Kiwi_Gamer87 What? No! Javik never killed himself!
Serlok Brixe It's true. If you let him use the echo shard he tells you that he intends to kill himself after the war is over so that he can be reunited with his people in death.
I would actually accept ME4 without Shepard if Javik was the protagonist.
but how would you relate to an alien as much as you could to a human?
Javik is a troll master, its hard to understand his feelings.
newsynthetic Then each Dialogue Option leads to a master troll.
***** *Throws Deception975 out the Airlock*
***** *Throws him out the airlock again*
I never saw this scene. I guess I didn't pay EA enough money for this important piece of backstory.
Damn, Protheans are badass.
Let's hope there's a show called Javik reviews, in which Javik reviews different things of each cycles, and either get his stamp of approval, or get thrown out of the airlock.
I'd buy that for a dollar!
Someone needs to make this. XD
I love the Protheans... That would make an interesting game but it's just a thought....
Meaning a game set around their empire, or a comic, or a film like, "Paragon Lost"
+Red The Warlock47 I would like to see and know more about the other races which lived during the times of the Empire (like the Oravores and the Zha'til). They are only briefly mentioned sometimes by Javik, but he hardly gives any deep insight about their culture, appearance and technology.
He wouldn't be able too. Remember that the war lasted hundreds of years, meaning he wasn't even born until it was near its chronological end.
Neon Eviscerate
No offense, but I think you commented on the wrong discussion.
Sextus70 Nope. What I'm saying is that Javik would have known very little of the Empire, or its vassals as he was born long into the war. Remember that most records of these would have been long lost, even then.
Whenever I imagined the Protheans, I always imagine wise and benvolent beings who sailed amongst the stars helping lesser races out of the goodness of their hearts.
Though now that I think about it, they couldn't have ruled the whole galaxy if they were like that.
It was naive of me to think that anyone could've remained that way, especially when warring with the Reapers.
I know this is an incredibly late comment but the Protheans of Javiks day, he was almost a child when the Reaper war began, were different than the Protheans at their peak. They could have been similar to the Asari. But decades of a losing war, and one with a foe like the Reapers at that, took its toll on their people and culture.
@@music79075 I have to correct you , Reaper war was fought for centuries, when Javik was born , Prothean empire was already dead and all advanced civilizations where doomed
I like how the AI just takes over control, ''Preparing neutron bombardment, get to your life pod''
if javik were with shepard when he attacked the collector base he would have recognised the collectors as husks made from his people
They learned about it on the Collector Ship. Though he would've recognized them on either Horizon or Freedom's Progress since we saw him fighting them.
He's the most interesting character in the whole series to me. Every decision he makes involves sacrificing his own people. Despite this he continues to fight on. Even after everyone and everything he has ever known is dead. There's incredible sadness but he simply doesn't have time for it. He knows that his people created the first realistic opportunity of defeating the reapers and it's his responsibility to see it through.
This cutscene also reminds me of how I sunk 30 hours into ME3 multiplayer and never unlocked the prothean rifle.
Yea that thing was elusive. I sunk well over 300 plus hours “rookie numbers” into it and never once scored that rifle. I was happy to at least get the collector rifle.
I sunk over $5,000 buying credits, an additional millions of credits trying to unlock the Krogan Shaman, never got it. Don't feel too bad. I did unlock everyone else and up to the level 5 Prothean Rifle. Only lvl 2 N7 Typhoon.
Still pissed they didn't make the multiplayer DLC for legendary
hmm waking up 50,000 years into the future..
i would probably laugh like a hatter for a day or two, then insanity would get booring and i would try to find a new purpose.
levitan71 I would just seek vengeance as usual.
Lucky for him though he can understand everyone. If you went 50K years into the future and if humans were still around they probably wouldn't even speak English anymore or speak evolved versions of languages.
Imagine how badley Javik had to take a piss after when he woke up
Mass effect 3 really be ten years ago, such a quality game and Javik better make a return
Mass Effect 4 should be about the Prothean Empire, when they fought the Reapers.
Haha, it was't
The Protheans though, they're all biotic and possess a sensory ability.
They're probably one of the most challenging cycles against the Reapers, as it took them centuries, and even then, two groups survived the ordeal, the Illos scientists and Javik, he's alive too.
But holy shit, I genuinely love the Protheans, so interesting and dang cool.
Spanning the whole galaxy and enslaving numerous species, and uplifting them.
They are truly a powerful civilization and race, I hope to see more about them in Mass Effect 4 and my based bro, Javik
Their entire philosophy was incredibly primitive and boiled down to "might equals right" an inherently flawed philosophy that literally NO ONE can actualy live out even the protheans couldn't live it out, When the reapers were blasting them to oblviion, the protheans weren't like "Oh well they're stronger then us so what they are doing to us is totally okay" No, they fought back.
While a bit forceful and any excuse wouldn't make what they did was right.
Javik shouldn't be used as an example of what Protheans are, since he was a product of his time, a time of war when he was born.
Trained to be an efficient warrior and do what is needed to prolong their inevitable extinction.
They've forced and enslaved numerous species because of their need of securing their own survival and dominance over the machines, Javik likely sugar coating the "uniting all organic life" to make it justifiable.
They're just damn assertive and aggressive, due to their superiority complex, similar to the Roman Empire.
But they've had civilization going well for a few hundred to thousand years until the Reaper came around, they didn't back down and did everything they could.
Not only that, even after defeating them... the Reapers couldnt use their DNA to make a Prothean reaper as contrary to many many other races in the past.... so they left the collectors instead to help in the next cycle.
@@antoniomigueljimenezmartin4018 It was only during the closing years of their harvest that Collectors were first seen. By this time, the remaining Collectors were indoctrinated due to the modifications they've done to them for too long, that none of them were useful for the process of creating a Reaper.
The war with the Protheans took centuries, I imagine the "sacrificed" worlds weren't entirely all Prothean, but of the subjugated species.
Protheans literally had laser guns blasting the hell outta a Reaper in one of the sudden frames, they likely had no use for vehicles (probably not) and that shows the Prothean might lol
Never forget that EA made this pivotal character a dlc
Oh wow johnny sins cosplaying as shepard.
Fucking lol
I honestly think Javik DLC is a must for playing Mass Effect 3. He just adds the style the saga has lost when the impact of the first 2 games faded.
I love him as a character!
Eden Prime was meant to be their final refuge to hide from the reapers, and it turned into their final stand
Their where lots of final stands. This ilos. God knows hoe many others
Imagine how he feels when hears he got only got 5 years (something like that) until the next reaper invasionxD
Vrolijke Vent
Javik: 50,000 years... My people are gone but I'll rebuild by teaching the other races of this cycle my history. It'll take a decades but I will teach them how to also prepare for the reapers, vengeance will be mine!
Shepard: Yeah about that...
Javik: What...
Shepard: Yeah they are kind of already here...
Javik: ...Tell me does your ship have an airlock?
Shepard: Yeah?
Javik: I will come with you and help you prepare but I first require time alone with the airlock.
Shepard: Why the airlock?
Javik: ...It's was a stress relief for my people during our cycle...
YAY! Now i know why the collectors had freaking laser beam guns!
The protheans remind me of the Forerunners from Halo.
+Tom Lasky Except the Forerunners were even bigger douchebags to the races of their time and had technology that makes the Reapers look primitive by comparison.
+Tom Lasky no, they werent nearly that badly written
+Tom Lasky
Its common in Sci Fi to have the "ancient space faring people that disappeared and has technology that makes our look like toys"
So yeah, they're similar, except for the technology, the protheans didn't even build worlds or had weapons that can one shot a city.
the forerunners were into some crazy shit back then, building a hollowed out planet is nothing for them, and to think they lost to parasites.
that1dude0092 The Flood is no mere parasite. It is the final evolution of the Precursor race, the race that predates and even created the Forerunners and most life in the known universe. They are so old that they predate the birth of the current universe by tens of billions of years and their technology was so advanced that they built "star roads" between star systems out of "neural physics" and when utilized by the Flood, these things could crush planets like eggs in the palm of ones hand.
RazgrizOne
A parasite that absorbed the knowledge of everything it assimilated. Assuming it assimilated billions of Forerunners, the parasite would have the combined knowledge of those billions of Forerunners. Now that, that sheer combined intelligence, is a devastating force.
they should have had a dlc for Javik being playabel after game and later discovering more protheans in Stasis. My thoughts
Wow...Now I feel guilty about ever disliking Javik T_T
50000 years ago...
Javik, as always, is extremely concise:
- Brothers! At this difficult moment, I am not talking to you as a commander, but as a senior comrade. The ruthless enemy attacks from all directions, and there is nowhere to wait for help. Our sacred duty to the Empire and its people is to buy time at any cost to prepare for the defense of the Eden Prime colony. The survival of our people in this terrible war depends on whether we can hold out and gain time. There is no point in hiding: none of us will leave here. But our Empire will survive! Brothers! Fighters! I hope for you. May each of you honestly fulfill his duty ...
Actually, considering his speech and reactions in flashbacks and how supportive he can actually be (with Liara, on Citadel and in his last speech with Shepard), it seems that he isn't such a heartless troll.
1:48 that's fucking Harbinger. He really likes to get his hands dirty, doesn't he...
I haven't played it yet Did the computer turn off the other life pods so he could live?
+izaiah rios yeah to save power
As cool as it was to see Protheans fighting Collectors, I feel like the Prothean Husks should’ve been blue and mechanical like Husks in the current cycle. From what I understood in ME3, Prothean Husks were given some sort of preservative that changed them from Husk form to the Collector form, that way they can wait out the 50,000 years without the weakness of aging or withering.
Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls, and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.
In the next Mass Effect game, I think it would be interesting if you find a hidden prothean colony with a hundred stasis pods.
Superior numbers has always been the Reapers saving grace. That, and their weaponry is more accurate, I believe, than covenant plasma. But the main advantage UNJSC ships have over Alliance ships is that UNSC ships use AI.
It's like a human going to sleep for millions of years waking up and finding out that cats and dogs rule the planet.
Imagine going to sleep and all humanity is dead. Then being woken up by an orangutan and his monkey comrades.
What do you think is worse dying like everyone else or being the only one that survives.
"You saw our warnings why didn't you heed them!!!" So brutal of a delivery....but so immensely well protrayed.
It’s really remarkable that the Protheans not only held out for hundreds of years but had some resounding successes (like Ilos). On paper they were tailor made for a quick reaping cycle. A centralized empire with multiple subservient, rebellious races that would immediately turn once the citadel, the seat of their power, fell.
They held out as an organized resistance for hundreds of years and had the most apparent success in warning and safeguarding the next generation.
Damn that’s some of the best transitions I’ve seen in a cutscene period at 3:58 it’s almost as good as the god of war ragnorak cutscenes I mean seriously for us it’s been 50,000 years but for him a few minutes
To make that viable, the clones would need to have their DNA altered enough to give them genetic variance (this includes gender variation). It would require sufficient understanding of Prothean genetics and morphological development. But if they knew how turn a clone of Javik into a population, it's possible.
As such, even the human invaders of Eatth must re-educate themselves. We sub humans dont care about nuthin
Yes he adds a bit to the story and will make Mass Effect 3 more fun.
i got the dlc from the digital deluxe version, its cheaper than the dlc, and i still got to hear Javik tell shephard about using the airlock to throw things out of it quite frequently, plus he shared his infinite ammo particle rifle that melts stuff.
In the Citadel, he said that Reapers killed trillions.
This is the bunker on Ilos with the last million that tried to figure a way to stop them.
Fun fact: Javik's voice actor also did the voice of Knack in the titular Knack and Knack 2
we still miss you shepard
My shepard lived through lol
He and almost all his companions are likely long dead in Andromeda's timeline though.
*****
Maybe also Grunt and Wrex (I've read that the Krogan's average lifespan is as long as the Asari).
EDI could also appear if the canon ending of Mass Effect 3 is not the Destroy one (which seems unlikely because it is the only where Sheppard survives).
Sextus70 krogans live for 1800 years, asari 1000
@@Sextus70 Who knows? I mean if they won against the reapers who knows what technologies they would find? The reapers are a million years old AI which harvested the science of thausands of cycles. I doubt they just destroyed everything, they probably kept records of the harvested civilisations and their different scientific gains. So maybe scientists would make huge improvements in the decades after the reaper invasion and be able to save that iconic squad that saved the galaxy. But on the other hand then they would have found a quicker way to andromeda, like a mass relay etc and been there before the initiative.
It's possible, forerunners of the engineer rate worked with taming young stars. They were also the lowest rate in the forerunner caste system.
Um this is a bit late lol but this is mass effect not halo
So basicly the collectors are not only genatic edited protheans but also the equal tu the human husks in our cycle?
Shit that has to hurt being forced to kill your kind especially knowing that they look like zombified Husks
and the marunders,brutes,banshees etc it seems the reapers use whatever dominant race or races of the cycle as their ground troops
We need more of you especially right now in in the 21 century
I bought legendary edition but I wouldve been so mad if I bought ME3 back in the day without this dlc. They shouldve included this with the base game.
The protheans that are crontrolled by the reapers look the collectors from mass effect 2
The Collectors are essentially failed Reapers and so the Reapers genetically modified them from Protheans to Collectors
thats because thats exactly what they are, its said the reapers re wrote the genetic coding heavily of the protheans to become the collectors, however they still have prothean dna inside them which is why EDI was able to clarify that the collector that was killed inside the collector base mission is mass effect two was in fact long ago a prothean
I'd say yes but the price is a bit high for a fairly short mission, but I guess it balances out by having Javik for the rest of the game, he adds a lot of good insight to be fair, comments on a lot.
Have you ever wondering why the robot still looks humanoid, not like Matrix that become completely all monstrous but effective ?
I wonder if the Flood could corrupt a Reaper. They did it to mendicant bias.
colebowlin68 They are not that far off. The Reapers are capable of indoctrination which could affect a gravemind
colebowlin68 the flood reside on a planet though. with the combined force of every reaper, they could smoke the planet
colebowlin68 still I at the end of the day: I say the reapers
+The Extinct Surgeon The Flood turns their victims' technology against them. If we're talking about the Flood from the Forerunner era, they annihilate the Reapers as an afterthought.
+MrMcp1995
might as well say the forerunner would destroy the reapers, since the flood did use forerunner tech.
Javik: tells the council about the reapers. The council: saren is tricking you. He's so smart.
Cant wait for the remaster
I like how Javik didn't care about civilians or refugees but when it come to his soldiers his own man he completely worry abot they.
This subplot was more gut punching, badass and immersive than most of the game. I'd buy bot with Prothean VI voice :D as assistant. I'd love to see ME game in Prothean Cycle invasion - not necessarily in same convention. Strategy? FPS? Story based LoU2? Another ME game? Writing is AMAZING - "Their sacrifice will be honored in coming empire" pharase back and forth...
The last stand of the Protheans
5:22-5:32 gives me chills EVERY DAMN TIME.
That must've been so tough for Javik.
The standard ship-mounted MAC fires a 600-ton ferric-tungsten projectile with a depleted uranium core at 30,000 meters per second. At 2.7e14 Joules per shot (KE=.5 x 600 000 kg x 30 000 m/s x 30 000 m/s), it has a standard destructive output of 64.53 kilotons TNT-equivalent.
it was the good old days !!
They can always clone Javik and Reestablish their race
I know it would be difficult to write and pull off, but we need a Javik series of either the game mass effect or even a TV show from netflix. That would be insanely awesome and dive into more philosophy and literature about the reapers and the prothean empire like never before.
@Vosbraka they were there, you just didn't see them, check the "miracle at Palavan" codex entry. Which really pissed me off
That's amazing how the Protheans were described as a super evolved perfect race living in the Milky Way thousands of years ago. That's perfectly represented through the feelings Liara had when she spoke with Javik.
Since the beginning, we thought the Protheans were living in a perfect world. But Javik showed us that the Protheans weren't the perfect nation we thought but basically a fascist empire, invading and assimilating by fear or force every other race in the galaxy, that all ended to be named Protheans too.
The Protheans were pragmatic soldiers, not the utopian people the scientists told us. And this surprise was perfectly made.
And how where they a fascist empire you idiot? Don't throw a word around if you don't even understand it meaning and frankly what they where doing was justified
@@tylerdunn9683 Seems like you need to replay the game and see what they actually did. Or you have some serious issues if you think enslaving entire races (if they disagreed and didnt wanna be enslaved they whiped them out) is ok.
To be fair though, Javik aint the best example of a Prothean. He was born already when Protheans were heavily losing the war and liven most of his life when Protheans were just clinging to their last worlds before being eradicated (or turned to Collectors) SO he would be way more cynical than the rest of them. From Priority: Earth you can see that Javik is actually way more civilized than the Krogan, Yahg and it seems even Turians.
@@Dark_Voice I have played the game idiot and tell me do you even have a clue what fascist even means and if you do then what definition fascist since there is 20 different definition of the term
@@tylerdunn9683 Also, learn grammar while you're at it. "There is [are] 20 different definition[s]..."
These Prothean's are amazing
-shrugs- all of them are vacuum sealed and can heal any radiation. Also could reset one's personality in cases of extreme mental damge. That is only a few things the armor can do.
They do seem to indicate that the Prothean Empire was heavily situation in what is now the Attican Traverse. I would assume that's where the Prothean homeworld was. I kind of wonder if it's Feros considering it had a giant Prothean metropolis.
Stasis. It's like being frozen. All bodily functions stop until you're revived.
Ahhh .... halo cannot even being to comprehend the weapons of mass effect and their pure strength
Oh they comprehend, and blow the hell out of them
+colebowlin68 The crucible??? and the protheans made the suns of systems collapse and effectively destroying the entire system.
+why712 And the Forerunners made weapons that can kill all life in a galaxy
+Dwight Dament again the crucible
+why712 Witch does?
Wow... this is the story of JAvik the only survived prothean...
The protheans had epic weapons!
Does Javik not sound Jamaican to anyone?
I thought I was alone
haha he's a green Jamaican samurai from outer space. Oh with 4 eyes too.
More like South African
+ZAC AND FAE yes
+LightningSamus I can't agree more, I live on a Caribbean Island and what really bothers me is when Americans ask me if I'm Jamaican like Jamaica is the only Caribbean island in existence.
I thought the Collectors were made after the war, but I guess it does make more sense that they would have been part of it.
I’m pretty sure that was just the standard reaper troops during the previous cycle. Remember that reapers use the dead as their troops
Andjelkovic Dennis: 5:26
He was in a statis pod, where his body was frozen. Bodily functions pause while he was frozen.
Awww look at all those Javiks
looks like the prothean had nrg based weapons ... something the cycle that came after them did not.
The Protheans were generally much more advanced than the cycle we play in. They were also closest to finishing the crucible and only messed up because of in-fighting due to indoctrination.
Why that Prothean have four eyes.I remember in the first Mass Effect on Illion that the dead bodies of the Protheans had two eyes and they were very tall,sitting on chairs.Now it's like the Collector but with a smaller head?
In Mass Effect 2 they explain Collectors are more twisted versions of Protheans. All fucked up by the Reapers
+alexbill1000 Those statues were of the Inusannon, an ancient race before the protheans. The protheans used the ancient Inusannon city as a research facility.
+Trevor Smith Yeah. Especially their leader.He had a big head.I can't even imagine what Reapers did to them.Before Shepard Commander destroy their facility,Harbringer released them and they understood what they had become.Oh Harbringer.So evil and cool.They should have added more about him at ME 3
+jakeola10 So this is why Garrus said "There are secrets here that are meant to be forgotten." Holy N7 I understand now.Thank you so much!
its ilos not illion. sorry
Think about this for a second, a soldier goes down next to you and you pull him back not to save his life, but to keep him from being turned against you...that kind of warfare is a nightmare, and that's what Javik faced all his life. Then he wakes up at the beginning of the next cycle and that reality hasn't set in for those people, it's no wonder he's so cynical. His lifetime was the end of centuries of a living nightmare, fighting hopeless battle after hopeless battle, and his last mission was to lead a million soldiers but only he survives. How would anyone of us deal with that? Waking up from a hopeless cause to another hopeless cause....there is no war, there is only the harvest.
I think I know what those statues were on illos now. They were the race that ce before the protheans the innusanon
And we all thought they were the Protheans for the longest time until we finally got a glimpse of them.
I get that they didn't show the Protheans for that long, but is anyone else pretty disappointed by the fact that all the models were the same? They were all Javik, didn't even notice any difference in the colors between them
If Javik was discovered and joined up with Shepard's crew early on, I guess the first Mass Effect would end a bit differently.
Kaidan or Ashley probably would still have to take the sacrifice, can't see Javik making a difference on that one. Garrus, Wrex, and Tali join up while investigating Saren on the Citadel anyway, so no change to that. Liara, however, was recruited because she's Prothean expert, which in this scenario is rendered redundant because we have an actual Prothean here who can probably read the message in Shepard's head in the first place. It'd be interesting still if she just joins up simply because there is an actual Prothean on the ship.
What I'm more interested in is what would happen to him after the first Normandy was destroyed by the Collectors...
Javik didnt know about Ilos and thought it was a myth. Council would deny him being a prothean just like the Salarian on Sur'Kesh.
What is the name of the song that plays at 4:53?
im quite confused why did the shepard not try to know who is the remaining prothean that still are alive in eden prime
Javik was the only one
Andjelkovic Dennis und maresi : derjenige ist selber schuld das er mit der errinnerung gespielt hat !
It would be awesome to watch a battle like that