The Story of Pokémon Stars
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Pokémon Grey & Z: First time?
Grey I can understand, I'd rather have sequels instead of 3rd versions, however Z was something that XY desperately needed because of how unfinished the story was.
@@Ditto.007 So true, X and Y had much to be desired
I'm not completely sure if this is true but I heard that pokemon Z was planned but it was cancelled out of fear that it would not sell well. There also was not a big pokemon game released in the year it would have been released to my knowledge
I’m glad we didn’t get Gray and we got B2W2 instead, although I wish we got Z or X and Y sequels.
@@NomadNobiyeah. Even the anime called Season 19 XYZ.
A sequel to sun and moon would have gone so hard
Yep
Fr ive always liked sun&moon but an enhanced version except for ultra sun&moon would be great
I was so sad when USUM was not a sequel but just another third game.
@@UltraAryan10 barely even a third game at that
@@jark06 I think it did okay in that aspect even though it removed/changed too many things from the base games
I remember buying Ultra Sun because I thought the Ultra Games were the Definitive versions of Sun and Moon. Lillie ended up being my favorite character, but I don't know how I feel after learning that her story was cut short in the Ultra games and that the original games they were more focused on her story. But I'm also glad that the Ultra games she stayed in Alola and helps you take down Rainbow Rocket
Well... Pokémon Journeys did conclude her storyline in the anime.
If there was a version of normal Sun and Moon with all the good features Ultra added (bigger Pokédex, Mantine Surfing, Photo Club, etc.) and an option to turn off the excessive cutscenes that always slowed down my 3DS, It’d be one of my favorite Pokémon games
Other than the story, I’d say that the Ultra Games are better than Sun and Moon
@@TheRock3tDoctor Yeah, Ultra would have been so much better had they kept the story intact, just added the QoL stuff, and have a postgame event with Necrozma. (Honestly SM should have been sold like that with no second games)
@@SpecSwamp they always bugger up somehow and don’t realize it until after. That’s why diamond and pearl had platinum with a bigger regional dex, and excessive post game things to do. Etc.
The fact that Ultra Necrozma looks like a STAR.
I think we've reached a point with pokemon that a prequel/sequel would suit the remake slot.
It gives the player 2 reasons to re-explore the region, nostalgia and new lore
plus gladion left alola and we never seen him in later games right
I would have loved USUM to have been a sequel with Gladion as the new leader of the Aether Corporation. Lillie could have been a trainer, having returned from Kanto, Guzma and Lusamine could have gotten together and maybe been allies against the Ultra Recon Squad, which could have been larger, more of a Cult to Necrozma and with a more expanded version of ultra space and a larger Ultra Citadel that could have felt like the final dungeon for the villain team.
YES THAT SOUNDS AMAZING
Mohn still existed wonder so i think they will recover his memory like the anime
Only if
Aswell as the Player Character from SM/USUM still being the champion
Speaking of touch screen compatibility, I really miss using the touch screen to play these games, and I'm upset there isn't even the option to do so on Switch. I still play Pokémon mostly on handheld, so it's just my natural instinct to tap the move icons on screen 😭
The NDS era was so comfortable
Honestly, the Rotom dex ruined the touch screen for me. I'm glad we don't have it just for that alone.
If Pokémon makes Gen V remakes (which I hope to GOD not) that I hope the UI has the same feel to the original. Snappier. Smooth!
Maybe if the controls was similar to like Mystery dungeon where to use moves, you can assign the ABXY buttons per move. Just make it faster and not as bland as the game boy games honestly
@@merc822 It's almost inevitable those remakes are coming. I'm personally hoping for those remakes to come next gen, though. Or even better would be a new entry that continues from the original duology. But I hear you, I'm also a fan of that original UI.
@@Pownchao we could also get another entry in the Legends series
I remember when a content creator, rusyaeffy, made an entire Pokémon Stars romhack. There was a Lillie fanclub and Guzma could deep fry your water Pokémon. You could also unlock ultra forms and other crazy stuff. I still have the rom somewhere.
man what 😂
Bro, literally my Bf is playing that hack rn lmao 😂
It's crazy someone was able to make a romhack fangame outta the 3D games lol, I wonder if there are more like it out there
deep fry?? your water pokemon??
twitch plays pokemon played this monstrosity last year lmao
I remember that shortly after the USUM reveal, Walmark briefly had a listings on their website for both 3DS and Switch versions of the games, prompting even more rumors of Alolan Switch games even after USUM's reveal.
That would've been so damn cool, cause USUM would be so fun on a stronger system
The Sun is already a star. I never thought that was a good name. Eclipse seemed the more obvious name. It made way more sense even thematically with how Necrozma takes over the box legendaries.
Then again I'm still salty with how Lycanroc is left unbalanced with only 3 forms instead of the four it should have.
There’s a new anime character with a rockruff, so I’m holding out hope for a dawn form this gen. Lycanroc is my favorite Pokémon so fingers crossed.
The only reason I didn't expect this to happen was because the sun is a star, I had literally no other backup info to think it wouldn't come.
“Maybe expectations were a little high.”
Aren’t they always? 😂
Yup
Remember when Pokémon Z was a thing as well? Remember Pokémon Grey? 3rd versions will always hold a special place in my heart. And even though Black & White got sequels, I feel like that was the nail in the coffin for this kind of follow up. If B&W2 sold so well, no need to make a 3rd version for future installments.
I thought BW2 among were the lowest selling games in the series lol. But the third versions still sold less
I really wish ultra sun/moon were actually sequels. I loved the story of the originals and would have been awesome to see the region and characters after a few years
I would have liked to see gen 7 be on the Switch, even if it was just the third version or a HD version of SM.
idk, I feel like Game Freak needed to get accustomed to the Switch's hardware, so I felt that gen 7 being on the 3DS and really pushing the system to it's limits as sort of a send off to the 3DS was a better call
I couldnt imagine gen 7s blocky human models on the switch, maybe as a port if it was marketed as “retro” but as a normal game absolutely not
(Kinda spoilers)
In addition to this, gen 7 is kinda similar to gen 9…
- you travel/become friends with the legendary
- has a strong emphasis on your other rivals/their troubles
- Messed up parents who tried/is trying to redeem themselves
- Aloof rivals because of said messed up parents
@@stooglesgoogles7246 Gen 7 models are actually super high poly to probably account for some sort of HD scaling. If you have seen any Citra footage, it looks pretty good. They would need to adjust for lighting and better texture but it wouldn't a blocky mess.
Sun and Moon really could have benefitted from a direct sequel, in the OG games so much happened that hinted that big changes were coming to the island, they just introduced their first Pokemon League and crowned their first champion, Kukui wanted to bring outsider ideas to the island, people coming to visit Aloha could have also resulted in a boom of new Pokemon from invader species, and resulted in more Alolan forms as well as Pokemon would need to quickly adapt. Ultra's just were a let down because you had to be like 50% into the OG game to even see any differences, it took way too long to actually see what you spent the cost of a brand new game on, and was overall sort of a letdown.
I once had a dream one time of a sort of "remake" of sun and moon on the switch, and one of the few things I remember were new alola forms... the only one shown was a bug/flying type sizzlipede. I made art of what this thing might've looked like one time.
I hope your dream will come true.
@@verifeli idk how a flying type sizzlipede would make sense in alola
I was so looking forward to a lighthearted Aether Foundation Gladion to run the company together with Wicke!
"Happy Gladion is not real. He can't hurt you!"
Happy Gladion: 🙂
The fact we never got a sequel to SM hurts me because it means we'll probably never see the SM version of these characters again.
The version of them in Masters and Evolutions is the USUM version, we'll likely never know what happened to Lillie and Lusamine in Kanto.
Moon is my fave video game and I just wish we got something to show what the characters have been up to since the ending of the game
Its my favorite game too.. i hope we get a legends game based on alola, thankfully in legends arceus there were many Alola hints
Coming to the NX in 2017
No worries, I'm a time traveller and in the year 2041 we will be getting Pokemon Sun and Moon remakes Red Sun and Blue Moon
(If you don't believe me, then wait and see...👁👁)
Really? Can't Wait! Gonna Buy The NX As Soon As It Comes Out.
@@Ditto.007 Golden Rays of the Glorious Sunshine
@@Jerrowashere Metal Gear reference? 😂
@@Ditto.007 aaand they're Red and Blue remakes
my first Pokemon game was lets go Eevee and these videos are really interesting for me as a newer fan, the way you present things makes me feel like I actually was there lol. keep up the good work man!
I was never 100% convinced pokemon stars was going to br a thing because a sun is the same as a star.
4:46 aaaah Emdy, our favourite artist never disappointed even back then. What a unit of a guy!
Besides, why is nobody talking about the lost lore of Pokémon XY, which was supposed to be the most bombastic ever?
Small context about it, the aliens where supposed to be in Kalos and Lysandre and Professor Sycamore where supposed to be like Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde
Pokemon Gun, the third game version of Pokemon Sword and Shield.
I gotta say ultra sun and moon are some of my favorite of the newer Pokémon games. It sucks that they released at the time they did
I liked the bits of story USUM added but hate that the rewrite took away some great character moments from SM. Lillie giving that speech to Lusamine about how children aren't just things for their parents to own?? That shit hits hard and shoulda been in both versions.
Tho overall will say I like the sequel approach better than a 3rd game like Emerald or Platinum or AU like USUM. Because then it feels like you mostly played the same game twice with a few changes yet paid full price for it
The sun and moon anime handled it perfectly with combining the two.
Some characters did have better story in USUM though, like Grimsley for example, who gave us a bit more context about his situation in Alola. Colress even protects Lillie from Ghetsis, maybe meaning he now acknowledges the real threat Team Plasma represented (Idk about the details, I skipped USUM)
Ironically, The Gen 7 Games Look Pretty Good With 720p & No Outline On PC Emulators.
That old man event where you had to take a Solrock/Lunatone, really felt like the complete confirmation of Pokemon Stars
7:04 "Maybe expectations were a little too high"
*Laughs in Paldea DLC being south Kalos theory*
I can't wait for you to talk about pokemon gun
6:04 clearly we wouldn't want a 3Ds game ported to switch.
The internet just loves whining about the graphics.
Imagine if we get a pokemon game that looks like new snap or pokken.
No one expects the Ultra Inquisition!
I don't care what anyone says, I really enjoyed Pokemon Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon. I liked how they made the story feel more fleshed out, them making a Legendary Pokemon the constant/main antagonist for the first time ever in a mainline Pokemon game, the fun Mantine Surf mini game, the best ghost story side quest in the entire franchise in my opinion, a proper fin battle with Hau, the Rainbow Rocket post game event, and so much more! I've come to overall adore those games, and I really wish more people could see that too... 😔
I played ultra sun recently for the first time(never played original sun and moon) and it became my favorite pokemon game, i honestly had a great time with the story, more than black and white 1 infact(never played 2). It's not winning any awards or anything, but i actually enjoyed the characters and saw them as more than cardboard cutouts, which considering this series history, is quite the achievement.
@@mizzix 👍🏻
I so agree, I think Ultra Sun/Moon is Pokemon licence at its peak, but maybe we have to wait few years for 7G to become "retro" before people starts to appreciate it.
I still enjoyed the original Sun and Moon more, but man if those elements you mentioned from USUM were combined with the great story of SM, gen 7 would have easily topped at my favorite generation of Pokemon.
Its my fav game ever, u arent the only one
Really hoping that they eventually make a Delta Emerald, Stars, or Z on the switch 🙏
They already have a Delta Emerald. It's called the delta episode. That's what that was, they skipped the third version and just included it directly in the first two. We also already have a Star, it's called USUM.
It's also worth noting that there were two scrapped Kalos games, an XY2 or USUM-style reimagining's were and are much more likely than Z ever was.
@@Missingno_Miner You kind of missed the point there I think. They probably mean like... we need proper sequel games that change the whole game and story and not game + short DLC. You could argue USUM is that but it's also trying really hard to be SM + DLC with the bigger changes being pretty much just minigames.
A group called EXR are making their own Pokémon Z, nothing about the other two though
@@MusicComet You are the one who missed *my* point. Or more likely given your rather absurd claim that USUM's bigger changes are "pretty much just" minigames, you're being deliberately obtuse about it.
ORAS and USUM drastically change the story of the original Ruby and Sapphire and the original Sun and Moon respectively, they aren't "gAmE+sHoRt DlC" in any sense of the word. A major rewrite of the story is much, much bigger than minigames.
@@Missingno_Miner Ok, first of all, why are you so rude? I wasn't even angry or trying to be mean, uncalled for dude.
So now to my response: A "major" rewrite that only happens in the last half of the story which until then was exactly the same? I can't speak on ORAS since I haven't played it, just heard things. In USUM you get things like mantine surf, photo club, rocket episode (that one is kinda big tbh), it feels like pretty much it which like... is that a lot to you? Because that seems like just minigames to me, personally at least.
It's not like any other "sequels" did any better on thay front but I think we can agree that we'd like to see a sequel where the drastic changes are very apparent like map changes, completely different story and new pokemon. Something like seeing the region in ruin after we saw it beeing untouched in previous games and you can see how it affects old and new faces. The type of story that continues from where it left off/expands years later instead of replacing just the final goal and leaving everything else the same.
When you compare stuff like this to other game sequels, you kinda get the feeling it's moreso bonus content rather than "fresh" "new" content that changes both the gameplay and story drastically and doesn't just touch one area and everything else, like I said before, stays the exact same. The changes don't apply to the core game so you can easily strip away the bonus stuff and see that it's the same game sold to you again at the same price too. It's not a new journey, it's a new look.
And I don't even hate SM/USUM, those games are very dear to me, but saying that they're proper sequels is not true.
We all crave the third superior version of each gen
Boy I remember those rumors of Pokemon Stars on Switch being a B2/W2 equivalent of Sun and Moon but instead we got Pokemon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon.
USUM were SO lame
Ultra Shit and Ultra Mid
@@Patodeagua213 I can tell you havent played the games
@@SERMareep2007 they are tho
Y’know it seems kinda obvious in retrospect that gamefreak wanted to remove the third definitive version after gen 5 and 6 but I didn’t even really pick up on it so o can’t necessarily blame anyone
Our crushed hopes and dreams will be in the stars, the last letter of the alphabet, and in shades of gray.
I'd love to see a legends game about necrozma, maybe diving into the lore on how necrozma lost his light. Keep up the grind GatorEX
"Would we have wanted a 3ds game on Switch"
*Sword and Shield entered the chat*
Fans at the time wanting Pokémon stars to be on the switch and the disappointment over USUM being on the 3ds reminds me of Black and White's initinal reception over not being a 3d game / 3ds game and later on getting X and Y with how that turned out I'm sure if Gamefreak didnt pause and learned from their mistakes (X and Y's rushed development to reach fan demands and a new game ) our first switch game wouldn've been a lot worse and a mess compared to just reused models and lackluster graphics of Sword and Sheild.
My guy Gladion in the thumbnail smiled
I have a retaliation
POKEMON ECLIPSE
I remember being the only person who said that this was not going to come out on Nintendo switch
The only thing i want to see from pokemon stars is to see which new protagonists we will have.
Mostly because i want them to be friends or to know elio and selene, as well to see a sleepover picture of them, elio and selene (maybe also including their usum forms too?) And lilie too.
every time i hear pokemon games release dates i can never believe them they always feel more recent then they actually are... man how time flys by
We were done so dirty with USUM
I still remember this as well! There was even art of a grown-up Lillie that was with the Galdion art as well. So I really hoped it was true, but as we all know...
I would prefer if Ultra Sun/Moon were sequels, instead of being Sun/Moon again but in a different timeline. I kinda hate how they did Lusamine in Ultra, while in SM she is one of my favorite villains.
I was so excited for that fake dropped image on 4chan of a variety of crazy yet possible new Pokémon silhouettes, all color coded.
I REMEMBER BEING 10 AND THINKING POKEMON STARS WAS REAL 💀
I love your videos man! The way you tell concise details keeps me engaged , hard to explain, but these are really REALLY well made, big fan!
Ah Pokémon Stars, as a fan of stars and what they represent often that could have been my potential new favorite ultimate Pokémon game. Oh well, ever since Pokémon did Black 2 and White 2, they just fully devoted to defy our expectations of what a “third” game would be: no Gray, no Z, and again with no Stars 😂 I totally agree what Ultra excelled in with more content, more regional dex, and overall more definitive content, the new rewritten story over the original was the only meh addition overall.
I miss you being in the videos. Great video tho! Amazing how much info you pull up for these that took place so long ago!
V-tuber GatorEx was ahead of its time
I can't even imagine what kind of mess we would get if Gamefreak attempted to port a game from an older console over to a new system.
3:16 bruh i thought that was someone's foot on lillys face 😂
"Pokemon Eclipse" would have made more sense
Aha I remember these rumors. I was so hyped just imagining what Alola would look like in the HD graphics of the Switch then.
Ah the innocence before we saw how cheap Pokemon's switch graphics were
Only the whole anime lille and the lilie face on the floor of the pokémon center
Its a shame we didnt get a sequel to Sun and Moon. Especially when what we did get is just Sun and Moon but worse
No, I'd argue it was better in my opinion. If anything, it actually gave Necrozma a backstory, fixed some of the story issues with the original games, added in 100+ older Pokemon into the games, etc. Sorry, but I disagree.
I'd say it's an alright retelling of sun and moon, definitely not worth its own game. Sequel would've made more sense
@@NomadNobi Let's just agree to disagree then, okay?
@@LaprasTrainerLiam98 I disagree, Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon felt more like lazy cashgrabs and not third versions for Sun and Moon, USUM also ruined parts of the story so now we have unnecessary characters like the ultra recon squad and lusamine is worse than how she was in Sun and Moon.
@@piranhalettuce The Ultra Recon Squad helped explain Necrozma's purpose in the games, as well introducing the idea of parallel universes! Plus, how was Lusamine "Worse" exactly? What, just because she's not fully a heartless monster in this version like in the OG versions of the games?! You do know the main reason for that was because she was heavily influenced by UB-01's toxins, right? And even then, while she's more caring in USUM, she's still obsessed with keeping things beautiful forever, and still has that Frozen Pokemon collection because of that obsession! She also thinks she should be the one to protect the region, when clearly that's not the case.
I remember Stars being rumored and stuff. I didnt really know whether to believe it or not tho. Also USUM was planned to be on the switch.
really cool video, please use a de-esser tho
Nemesis moment
i thought this is going to be talking about the pokemon stars romhack but this is still an interesting watch! would still like to get the romhack covered someday, though. each clip i've seen from that romhack gets weirder and more confusing than the last
Oh this era...
I never heard Pokémon Stars rumor was brought up, I did heard Pokémon Z discussion was brought up years ago.
Lillies theme poggies
"would we have really wanted a 3ds game on the switch?"
well, luckily we know the reception to that if you just look at sword and shield lmaoo
I still find the name Pokemon Stars really stupid because the sun is a fuckin star
Checkmate, Liberal. Stars is plural. The Sun is a singular, massive star. 'Stars' can refer to exploring the 'stars', such as the galaxy and space.
Right?
The new Pokémon sequel we really needed was Pokémon gun
Honestly
Pokemon eclipse sounds way cooler
i remeber there being a ultra moon rom hack called pokemon stars even tho that one is basically just a meme rom hack but with some challenge to it
I made a fan trailer for Pokémon stars years agoo
How much y’all wanna bet Z-crystals gonna have lore connecting them to Tera crystals
People actually dismissed the Necrozma dragon form theory? How can I find videos dismissing this theory? This is interesting to me
I remember my dad once sending me the trailer of the Pokémon Star ROM hack somehow thinking it was an official game.
Very Nice
I genuinely believe that they had the idea to make a sequel with Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, like they did with Black 2 and White 2. But considering that it's pretty obvious that ever since the 3D era started, Gamefreak has been struggling with the time they have on any specific game, what with the accelerated release schedule and increased production needs, they just didn't have the opportunity to do so and settled with a 3rd slightly enhanced AU version of Sun and Moon instead.
Like, if what is being said about the demise of Pokémon Z - scrapped to have time to develop Sun and Moon on time - is true, I shudder to think how unfinished Gen 7 would've been. I mean, hell, base Sun/Moon are still a little empty on side features and postgame, sth that the Ultra games manage to add.
And even the Ultra games are missing stuff by the end. Like, these are the last games in the series to have all the Pokémon obtainable, but anything outside the Alola dex, even Pokémon you can catch in Ultra Wormholes or through Island Scan just don't have any sort of dex entries whatsoever.
Woah! That was unexpected! After all this years hahaha, thank you for the nice words!
PLEASE I WANT THIS
Is it just me that thought the name stars was a dumb one? The sun is already a star!
To be fair, x and y were also supposed to have sequels but due the poor sales of b2w2 before gen 6 the idea was scrapped
I personally think that Pokemon stars could potentially still happen as a legends style game
Honestly, a 3DS game on the Switch would have had better frames and fidelity than half of S&V.
I remember everyone wanted a switch alola game so bad
Im still mad that it never happened
A sun and moon switch version would have been amazing
The sun and moon sequel or third version that we never got
Pokemon Star the Mod exists
Next Video:
"The Story of Pokemon 𝙂𝙐𝙉"
it was basically pokemon Z but again
im waiting for pokemon gun
My issues with USUM are mainly that they aren’t one game (because money), that they don’t really make that many (significant) changes to the main story, and that they cut off Lillie’s story (as mentioned here). Rainbow rocket is great, but it only really happens many hours in. For returning players, it can be underwhelming for a good portion of the playthrough.
I just hope that there'll be a sequel cause sun and moon is my fav gen it just deserves a sequel especially cuz in sun and moon lots of things sorta had a cliffhanger for example gladion as the new æther foundation leader lusamines state, Lilly as a trainer etc. I just hope that one day they'll program the game for the switch
There is still a rom hack called Pokemon Star, its just not the game people expected it to be.
I just thought someone made this up
The name would be stupid as the sun is a star itself
They’ve been planning Scarlet and Violet since... gen 3?... I think.
Pokémon StarZ - a Jirachi focused game to expand ORAS as well as finish XY and SM.
Ultra sun and moon should have been combined into one pokémon star game.
I am just happy the rom hack called pokemon star is a banger. Uber Driver Kukui goes hard