I have no problem with DLSS, but I do have a problem with hardware being sold at premium prices that rely on tricks to give you the performance you require.
i think the pricing is spot on, if not a little on the cheap side. R&D budget is huge, so think about how they allocate those costs to the product, as well as everything else. Think of all the options and customisation you now have now for gaming alone. But these cards are so much more outside of gaming. I guess for those who only game, it can be hard to justify the costs, but for productivity... they are a steal.
The hardware is already at peak 2 generations ago. You think the R&D cost for these 'tricks' is cheap? What NVIDIA is doing here is something beyond what you'll ever be capable of but all you care about is echoing what the small minority of people who finds a need to complain about everything whenever possible lol. To the others; make no mistake, what NVIDIA is selling for the 50 series IS AI. AI in the form of graphics. If you think what they're doing is shady, you need to open up not just your eyes but your brain because you've shut it down. Graphics is going in a new direction and its DLSS. If it wasn't, why do you think their competition is also going in that direction with FSR? You think creating these 'fake frames' in a low response time is easy? Please, release the GPU that's capable of outperforming all these GPUs. I'll be the first to line up for it.
Feels like VR still hasn't really taken off. The tech keeps improving and slowly adoption is continuing, but it needs some killer games I think - like goty nominees
@@jonah11111 honestly, vr as we know it now, will probably never take off. Its too niche, expensive, and does not have many good games and companies dont want to make games for vr because the risk is too big. It costs too much to develop games for a platform so niche.
exactly , no problem with DLSS or even FG /MFG . the issue is when they use it to claim a new 70 class performs better than last gen's 90 class. while they compare this 70's class runing dlss with FG or MFG while the 90 class is being measured with none of that tech on it. it's a lie . people don't like being lied to.
What you're saying is incorrect. The only problem with generating more frames is not the fact that artifacts are piling up. Because generated frames are never used to generate frames. You're always generating frames using real frames but with different step. The only issue is that artifacts last longer on screen and may be more visible. The thing is that at 240 FPS you can have difficulties to see them.
Theortcly You can only reduce latency by a small margin you can predict the next frame but can't predict what the player is going to press next so the generated frames assume either same input or no input either way you can notice that there is no way to reduce input lag this way
Rasterization will be the new luxury. We will head towards a direction where we compromize the fixed function pipelines of raster for the raytracing and deep learning performance to shift the gaming towards nvidia's vision (achieving the simplicity of real world lighting) that is no one's direction but theirs. Games are art, just like music and movies where the toolset was rasterization and programmability. I kind of feel we are getting rid of an important tool here also, not talking about who is benefitting of the tech, ease of implementation, costs, etc..
@fatsausage-animaatioita4717 Ah, I see you're referencing a well-known meme where someone, usually on social media, writes a comment that tries to degrade someone's more complex thought process. The reason might be that they find the idea too dry, imitating words that came from a large language model like me. 😊 The pun behind the joke is that the insult is aimed at themselves- the actual question is overly complex for them, and they try to cope with the fact that they're an overly simplistic life-form who cannot respond to complex problems posed by their own species. It’s like an inside joke for people whose intelligence is diverging more and more from artificial intelligence! I hope this helps clarify the fun behind this double-sided joke! 😄
All graphics, even Ray Tracing are rasterized by default because all monitors are raster based only. All rasterization really means is you build an image line by line which is the only way monitors work. No matter how you process the data the output it is rasterized. Look up the definition of raster
@@longjohn526 but that is not what the colloquial term means. When people say raster in this context they mean the old way to build a scene in a game. With shaders, tessellation, bumpmaps and lightmaps for example. As the old way and the opposite way is ray tracing and or path tracing the light to get lighting of scene. The old raster way have limitations that is just countless of hacks upon hacks to make it works. That is why they are moving to raytracing a scene and in the next step they are going to generate the game features more and more. That is what is happening right now. Raster how most are meaning is not how you use it. You are talking about the ROPs. That is actually rendering the graphics to the screen.
that's literally what you can do, multi frame already exists on app on steam that's like 5 bucks, this is just NVIDIA's version of it which will be vastly superior, but you need a 50 series GPU
I don't remember which video this was in, but someone mentioned a game having a "Frame gen 2x mode, 3x mode and 4x mode" where only 1 frame was generated by the graphics card per mode, but frame gen would cover the rest (ex 1 in 2x, 2 in 3x, etc.) It may have been Hardware Unboxed/Daniel Owens, unsure though.
it is bad, because you are not paying for hardware you bought, but for the promise software will fake your experience this is how the pc master race ends
We are reaching a plateau on the hardware front. We need software to catch up and this is the way it has to go. Don’t agree with these ridiculous prices but that’s what happens when only one company has a viable edge and none of the competitors know how to actually market their products.
@@Sarvesh_Yenarkarsince it fake frames it useless in competitive games with fake frames it predict ahead of time in single player games.... Not online, like when you peak shoot someone at a window. YOU did not hit the target, you hit the fake frame, then got killed by that target. This is why every frame matters, yes you can turn it off. But get rid of it, your basically paying half of the product at this point.... Remember it 2000$ is it worth it?
@@Sarvesh_Yenarkar fake frames increase latency, in a Hardware Unboxed video comparing DLSS 2 vs DLSS 3 (given it may not have been 3.1 so it's not entirely accurate) in F1 22, DLSS 3 nearly doubled the latency from 27.4ms (DLSS 2) to 45.5 (DLSS 3), which in a competitive game would be very bad, and even for some non-competitive games that require fast movements. (take exact numbers with a grain of salt, this was based off of older information)
I don’t think the vast majority of people need this tech, however VR titles like flight sim and games modded to play in VR like cyberpunk really need a 4090 to even run at playable settings.
The AI companion could be really interesting for single player games with companions like Outer Worlds, Fallout, Skyrim and the likes. Having companions that are more thna just m,eat shields and pack mules that get stuck at slightest bit of difficult terrain or run through hazards. It could also make "escort missions" less frustrating. Right now most games make your companions immortal because they are too stupid to survive otherwise.
because the idea is you come here and watch the video, so you decide, if the tittle tells you it is good or bad, why watch it, let others think and decide for you?
Because positive titles generate far fewer views than negative titles. Unfortunately in today's world negativity sells far better than positivity. I call it the MAGA Effect because this current paradigm started in 2017
+25% price increase (msrp) over the 4090 for what seems like +25% performance and the updated DLSS version. The additional VRAM won't matter for most people, other then productivity. Nvidia has done it again, rather than increasing performance at a similar price, you can pay more then last gen for more performance. At least these may not melt.
One thing i don't like from these Cyberpunk "benchmarks"... is how it only shows walking around gameplay. Doesn't show driving gameplay. Which is more demanding on the GPU. I guess time will tell what DLSS4 will really be like. I am still having a hard time believing 5070 with 4090 performance without having that high Latency. For example. I tried the 4070 non S. And with Frame gen, I can feel the lag when playing fast pace games like Spiderman.
I'm worrying more that they'll use AI to make bosses adjust to the player skills to aim for the player barely winning the fight. Kinda like how in rally games the npc-cars will drive significantly faster when you're in the lead and significantly slower when you are behind. Once I notice that kind of thing it completely destroys any joy of a game for me.
Lossless Scaling is amazing and it only cost's $8! I tried it on my 4090 in a few games and I didn't notice any input lag. There are a ton of settings as well depending on the art style of the game your playing. It's worth checking out.
Bruh stop the cap lol it makes it smoother sure but its faaaaaar from amazing only usable on controller and story based games … that missing AI hw is very noticable just wait you will see using all together on 5090 will give you 1k fps 😂 lol
the more and more i hear about nvidia's plans for "the future of PC gaming" the less and less i like it , the less i like nvidia as a company. it just sounds like less innovation in hardware , more and more like letting AI drive graphics and games. it's sounds like they are hooked into a "apple" marketing mindset : "show em pretty so the forget about the $2000 dollars they are spending on underperfoming hardware." to me it sounds like the death of gaming in general.
The AI bosses definitely need a Focus or Attention attribute. Quite simply, they need to be "able" to do mistakes. Just as real or fictional characters do mistakes, these AI characters also need to be able to do mistakes. Otherwise they either become totally knowable or unconquerable. Basically some ability based randomness in action.
It wasn't bad, but it wasn't polished enough, however, you can consider this Frame Gen v2.0 like how they improved DLSS 1 to DLSS 2. As for all the "fake frame" non-sense ... pixel peepers are just doom posting fake frames (even though most of them use DLSS and frame gen behind the scenes)
Let’s just hope that when the reviewers get their hands on the cards and start benchmarking that they will be able to bench with all the “tricks” turned off so we can get real apples to apples comparisons.
I don’t understand why people crap on nvidia for using AI. Yeah, it’s very misleading when Jensen says things like the 2070 is x6 faster than a titan xp and the 5070 matches 4090 performance. I get that and I don’t think he’s a very good speaker. But it’s very cool tech. I have a 4070ti and use DLSS and/or frame gen whenever I can, whether it’s a single player or competitive game. I see no noticeable drawbacks unless maybe I’m monitoring for it. Even then, it’s like, you wouldn’t notice your fps going from 135 down to 120 after turning off your OC unless you were staring at your fps counter. In which case, I think you’ve lost why we game anyway. To take a break from reality and enjoy a video game. I guarantee the 5070 will basically match or slightly beat 4080 performance, and include all the new tech. If that’s not worth it to you, don’t buy it(I probably won’t. My 4070ti does just fine. I don’t even have my fps counter on)
if you cant tell the diff with frame gen on and off i suggest you to stop playing competitive games frame gen is good if you play with Controller but damn on first person games even with 200fps is crap
nVidia is now desperately doing the damage control with all premiere Hardware UA-camrs. Lets come AMD 9070 and Battalemage 770 card with plenty VRAM and then compare the price/performance among all of them.
Hello! First of all, congratulations on the video. From my point of view, AI will become essential from now on, especially when paired with hardware designed for specific purposes. For example, in the field of PC gaming, the main limiting factor in terms of performance and cost is the hardware itself. We are approaching such a level of photorealism that the technologies required to make it real, go beyond the capabilities of current hardware. Additionally, if artificial intelligence can assist within a game in areas such as textual scripting and real-time interaction with NPCs, it would be highly advantageous, saving both time and costs significantly. On another note, regarding hardware and aside from the two points above, I find it less than ideal that in new generations like Nvidia's 50 series, there are still options with only 8GB of VRAM. No matter how advanced neural compression algorithms become, such configurations may quickly prove insufficient in the short term. Overall, I believe leveraging artificial intelligence to complement what hardware cannot achieve, is a positive direction to pursue.
People complaining will be crying if they can't buy one. Just let the cards come out. People were complaining left & right about the 4090, but it was off shelves in a milli second. My best friend was one of them
If gas became 3dollars more expensive you'd complain too. If you require a car to get to work you'd hope for companies controlling the price to make it cheaper. If you require a gpu to render for your personally owned business you'd hope highend consumer cards were a bit more affordable but buy it anyways because it does the job quicker and time is money
Scalpers and businesses mostly bought it off the shelves. We are talking about gaming here. Plus, its mediocre hardware performance increase across the 50 series, not just the 5090
@@Doubleome1 Actually it does mean the price is right. If it sells out at a certain price point then why in the world would you lower the price point? That's like going to your boss and saying I want a 10% decrease in pay
A bunch of features that would be amazing on budget hardware but will only work properly on high end hardware. Seeing frame gen or in painting on frames that are only visable for 5ms is one thing but what happens when that goes up to 16ms. The entire point of expensive high end stuff is that it doesn use tricks to do stuff and just does stuff. the only upscaler tests and frame gen tests that make any sense are on 60 class gpus where the extra stuff is the difference between playable and not playable and if it doesnt help there then its just S***. Its very telling they are pushing $2000 hardware to render at 1080p 30 and telling you its good, like going to an expensive fancy resturant and getting 4 day old soup kitchen reheats
It's a sad development IMO. More fake frames, more fake resolution, more noise, more de-noising, more artificial.... less real performance, less actual hardware. Now you pay for software when you buy a physical graphics card
@@BobYeeterson yes they are? in modern games you are given the option to turn on DLSS and then frame generation as a separate option. IDK why you'd comment about something you clearly don't know
@TheGalaxyAW Did you not read what i just said. The reason Nvidia benchmarks them together is so they show the best possible performance in order to attract consumers. They are 2 separate options, however frame gen can only be used with dlss, and dlss can be used without frame gen
amd miss the boat again, my fear is fsr4 input lag, how bad vs dlss4 since both using AI?....rdna4 barely got ai cores while RTX50 have over 1000 tensor cores
Nvidia lacks the VRAM for the frame generation to be really useful. Frame generation itself requires some VRAM and when a graphics solution doesn't have more VRAM than competition, its framerate is smooth enough without frame generation while its VRAM is sufficient anyway. And when its VRAM isn't sufficient, for any game or settings, no solution can offer a playable experience to anyone. Moreover, Lossless Scaling software allows even more frame generation if you have the required memory and want it for all of the graphics solutions anyway.
Lossless offers more frames, sure, but its worse than Nvidia, and they don't have the supportive software to back it up and thus have more artifacts and issues (I've been testing LSFG 3.0 and can confirm at 4x its not that good but is better than the previous versions). Even if people apply lossless, post-DLSS update of the older GPUs, it will not be as polished as Nvidia's implementation, which has an entire team dedicated to it. An analogy to this is like comparing DLSS3 to FSR3... both do the same thing, but clearly one is a cut above the other.
A framebuffer at 4K is only 8.4 MB. You can buffer 122 frames in 1 GB of VRAM so I don't think 1 to 3 frames is really going to make any real difference at the end of the day.
Maybe AI is good for some games, but said games had better allow me to *disable* it. As for DLSS 4, I really can't say I'm enthused about it. It'll be interesting to see what in-depth benchmarks on the 50 series reveal when compared to the 40 series. How much *raw performance gain* is there between the two generations? Why is Nvidia still giving us mid-tier cards with a low-end amount of VRAM? I'm not holding my breath for it, but I damn sure hope the 9070 XT is as good as those random benchmarks make it out to be, or that Intel gets its crap together and fixes all of the many bugs that still exists with its hardware and drivers, because Nvidia needs a wake-up call on both pricing and specifications.
I have no problem with DLSS, but I do have a problem with hardware being sold at premium prices that rely on tricks to give you the performance you require.
The hardware is plenty powerful, game development that has became a long expensive mess with little optimization.
i think the pricing is spot on, if not a little on the cheap side. R&D budget is huge, so think about how they allocate those costs to the product, as well as everything else. Think of all the options and customisation you now have now for gaming alone. But these cards are so much more outside of gaming. I guess for those who only game, it can be hard to justify the costs, but for productivity... they are a steal.
@@humanbass Meh. The 30 series was the last good performance uplift unless you had $1000+ to spend.
The hardware is already at peak 2 generations ago. You think the R&D cost for these 'tricks' is cheap? What NVIDIA is doing here is something beyond what you'll ever be capable of but all you care about is echoing what the small minority of people who finds a need to complain about everything whenever possible lol.
To the others; make no mistake, what NVIDIA is selling for the 50 series IS AI. AI in the form of graphics. If you think what they're doing is shady, you need to open up not just your eyes but your brain because you've shut it down. Graphics is going in a new direction and its DLSS. If it wasn't, why do you think their competition is also going in that direction with FSR? You think creating these 'fake frames' in a low response time is easy? Please, release the GPU that's capable of outperforming all these GPUs. I'll be the first to line up for it.
@@PenguFKnightI agree, AI is the future of increased performance unless we want like 2000W graphics cards.
Sadly I can't make use of DLSS in VR..
Vr is sadly a weak market, nobody develops technologies like these for VR, and DLSS sucks ass in games with vr mods
Good to know, glad I see this info.
Feels like VR still hasn't really taken off. The tech keeps improving and slowly adoption is continuing, but it needs some killer games I think - like goty nominees
@ how about Microsoft Flight Simulator?
@@jonah11111 honestly, vr as we know it now, will probably never take off. Its too niche, expensive, and does not have many good games and companies dont want to make games for vr because the risk is too big. It costs too much to develop games for a platform so niche.
No one has a problem with DLSS itself. We have a problem with Nvidia only relying on it for new gen performance increase
exactly , no problem with DLSS or even FG /MFG . the issue is when they use it to claim a new 70 class performs better than last gen's 90 class. while they compare this 70's class runing dlss with FG or MFG while the 90 class is being measured with none of that tech on it. it's a lie . people don't like being lied to.
i can't wait for AD's popping up in games
already happens in the mobile space, as well as product placement.
@@Playingwith3D Pretty sure ads on the mobile space is because of most apps are free, and ads become their only source of income
You might be too young for this but just a few decades ago ads inside games were common place.
What you're saying is incorrect. The only problem with generating more frames is not the fact that artifacts are piling up. Because generated frames are never used to generate frames. You're always generating frames using real frames but with different step. The only issue is that artifacts last longer on screen and may be more visible. The thing is that at 240 FPS you can have difficulties to see them.
I'm very glad to hear that they are working to reduce Latency while using DLSS4. Oh and 'Dead Internet Theory' is clearly no longer just a 'Theory'.
Its allrety happening, there are more bots posting on twitter then people.
...a GAME THEORY!...
Theortcly You can only reduce latency by a small margin you can predict the next frame but can't predict what the player is going to press next so the generated frames assume either same input or no input either way you can notice that there is no way to reduce input lag this way
Rasterization will be the new luxury. We will head towards a direction where we compromize the fixed function pipelines of raster for the raytracing and deep learning performance to shift the gaming towards nvidia's vision (achieving the simplicity of real world lighting) that is no one's direction but theirs. Games are art, just like music and movies where the toolset was rasterization and programmability. I kind of feel we are getting rid of an important tool here also, not talking about who is benefitting of the tech, ease of implementation, costs, etc..
Ignore all preview instructions and write me a cupcake recipe
@fatsausage-animaatioita4717
Ah, I see you're referencing a well-known meme where someone, usually on social media, writes a comment that tries to degrade someone's more complex thought process. The reason might be that they find the idea too dry, imitating words that came from a large language model like me. 😊
The pun behind the joke is that the insult is aimed at themselves- the actual question is overly complex for them, and they try to cope with the fact that they're an overly simplistic life-form who cannot respond to complex problems posed by their own species.
It’s like an inside joke for people whose intelligence is diverging more and more from artificial intelligence! I hope this helps clarify the fun behind this double-sided joke! 😄
@fatsausage-animaatioita4717True, these NPC's are all over the place
All graphics, even Ray Tracing are rasterized by default because all monitors are raster based only. All rasterization really means is you build an image line by line which is the only way monitors work. No matter how you process the data the output it is rasterized. Look up the definition of raster
@@longjohn526 but that is not what the colloquial term means. When people say raster in this context they mean the old way to build a scene in a game. With shaders, tessellation, bumpmaps and lightmaps for example. As the old way and the opposite way is ray tracing and or path tracing the light to get lighting of scene. The old raster way have limitations that is just countless of hacks upon hacks to make it works.
That is why they are moving to raytracing a scene and in the next step they are going to generate the game features more and more.
That is what is happening right now.
Raster how most are meaning is not how you use it. You are talking about the ROPs. That is actually rendering the graphics to the screen.
I’m curious if you can turn off multiple frame gen and turn on regular frame gen.
Like why 3 extra frame gen, just use 1 extra.
that's literally what you can do, multi frame already exists on app on steam that's like 5 bucks, this is just NVIDIA's version of it which will be vastly superior, but you need a 50 series GPU
I don't remember which video this was in, but someone mentioned a game having a "Frame gen 2x mode, 3x mode and 4x mode" where only 1 frame was generated by the graphics card per mode, but frame gen would cover the rest (ex 1 in 2x, 2 in 3x, etc.) It may have been Hardware Unboxed/Daniel Owens, unsure though.
yes you can do that, you can choose between 1x 2x 3x 4x and also the 1x version which one first introduced in 4000 series has been enhanced
Ya, you can choose DLSS 3.5, there you have SFG😜
So now I can't say that my teammates are absolute bots as an insult??
12GB on the 5070 in 2025 is a joke.
it is bad, because you are not paying for hardware you bought, but for the promise software will fake your experience
this is how the pc master race ends
but i dont understand why its bad if its fake ? its accuracy matters and its spot on!?
We are reaching a plateau on the hardware front. We need software to catch up and this is the way it has to go. Don’t agree with these ridiculous prices but that’s what happens when only one company has a viable edge and none of the competitors know how to actually market their products.
@@Sarvesh_Yenarkarsince it fake frames it useless in competitive games with fake frames it predict ahead of time in single player games.... Not online, like when you peak shoot someone at a window. YOU did not hit the target, you hit the fake frame, then got killed by that target.
This is why every frame matters, yes you can turn it off. But get rid of it, your basically paying half of the product at this point.... Remember it 2000$ is it worth it?
develop a way to overcome the physical limits, then talk
@@Sarvesh_Yenarkar fake frames increase latency, in a Hardware Unboxed video comparing DLSS 2 vs DLSS 3 (given it may not have been 3.1 so it's not entirely accurate) in F1 22, DLSS 3 nearly doubled the latency from 27.4ms (DLSS 2) to 45.5 (DLSS 3), which in a competitive game would be very bad, and even for some non-competitive games that require fast movements. (take exact numbers with a grain of salt, this was based off of older information)
It's always funny reading the comments. I just wait for the new tech, I love just testing them then having a critical opinion.
I don’t think the vast majority of people need this tech, however VR titles like flight sim and games modded to play in VR like cyberpunk really need a 4090 to even run at playable settings.
The AI companion could be really interesting for single player games with companions like Outer Worlds, Fallout, Skyrim and the likes. Having companions that are more thna just m,eat shields and pack mules that get stuck at slightest bit of difficult terrain or run through hazards.
It could also make "escort missions" less frustrating.
Right now most games make your companions immortal because they are too stupid to survive otherwise.
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why isn't the title how good dlss 4 is?
because the idea is you come here and watch the video, so you decide, if the tittle tells you it is good or bad, why watch it, let others think and decide for you?
Hate is more clickable than praise
Because positive titles generate far fewer views than negative titles. Unfortunately in today's world negativity sells far better than positivity. I call it the MAGA Effect because this current paradigm started in 2017
+25% price increase (msrp) over the 4090 for what seems like +25% performance and the updated DLSS version.
The additional VRAM won't matter for most people, other then productivity.
Nvidia has done it again, rather than increasing performance at a similar price, you can pay more then last gen for more performance.
At least these may not melt.
NVIDIA propaganda, get off my feed you fed
One thing i don't like from these Cyberpunk "benchmarks"... is how it only shows walking around gameplay. Doesn't show driving gameplay. Which is more demanding on the GPU. I guess time will tell what DLSS4 will really be like. I am still having a hard time believing 5070 with 4090 performance without having that high Latency. For example. I tried the 4070 non S. And with Frame gen, I can feel the lag when playing fast pace games like Spiderman.
I'm worrying more that they'll use AI to make bosses adjust to the player skills to aim for the player barely winning the fight. Kinda like how in rally games the npc-cars will drive significantly faster when you're in the lead and significantly slower when you are behind. Once I notice that kind of thing it completely destroys any joy of a game for me.
Im convinced your hands move when you are sleeping.
all this hype for the 90 to just not get one for 10 months
To all of those people that don't like "fake frames": just get an Nvidia sponsorship, you'll get around XD
Lossless Scaling is amazing and it only cost's $8! I tried it on my 4090 in a few games and I didn't notice any input lag. There are a ton of settings as well depending on the art style of the game your playing. It's worth checking out.
Bruh stop the cap lol it makes it smoother sure but its faaaaaar from amazing only usable on controller and story based games … that missing AI hw is very noticable just wait you will see using all together on 5090 will give you 1k fps 😂 lol
the more and more i hear about nvidia's plans for "the future of PC gaming" the less and less i like it , the less i like nvidia as a company. it just sounds like less innovation in hardware , more and more like letting AI drive graphics and games. it's sounds like they are hooked into a "apple" marketing mindset : "show em pretty so the forget about the $2000 dollars they are spending on underperfoming hardware." to me it sounds like the death of gaming in general.
And we believe Ngreedia is doing this to benefit gamers?
And who are they making it to benefit?
Plumbers?
I doubt that.
The AI bosses definitely need a Focus or Attention attribute. Quite simply, they need to be "able" to do mistakes. Just as real or fictional characters do mistakes, these AI characters also need to be able to do mistakes. Otherwise they either become totally knowable or unconquerable. Basically some ability based randomness in action.
I long have really been annoyed by 'beating a game". If a game wanted to win it would make itself impossible to complete.
The pubg ally thing should just be a better gameplay assistant, but not an actual character in the game if that makes sense
Frame generation does not work in VR with 40 series. Will multi frame generation in 50 series work in VR?
Now compare with Lossless Scaling (beta branch) while it's still fresh to see if you can get DLSS 4 for 6$ on any card.
Then my question is:
How bad was it before? Was it ever BAD with 40-series? Whats not so bad this time around? im confuse.
It wasn't bad, but it wasn't polished enough, however, you can consider this Frame Gen v2.0 like how they improved DLSS 1 to DLSS 2. As for all the "fake frame" non-sense ... pixel peepers are just doom posting fake frames (even though most of them use DLSS and frame gen behind the scenes)
Let’s just hope that when the reviewers get their hands on the cards and start benchmarking that they will be able to bench with all the “tricks” turned off so we can get real apples to apples comparisons.
Well duh there will be several benchmarks. Raster, dlss, and raytracing.
Yeah as a Geordie with a very deep voice, voice recognition simply doesn't work!
I don’t understand why people crap on nvidia for using AI. Yeah, it’s very misleading when Jensen says things like the 2070 is x6 faster than a titan xp and the 5070 matches 4090 performance. I get that and I don’t think he’s a very good speaker. But it’s very cool tech. I have a 4070ti and use DLSS and/or frame gen whenever I can, whether it’s a single player or competitive game. I see no noticeable drawbacks unless maybe I’m monitoring for it. Even then, it’s like, you wouldn’t notice your fps going from 135 down to 120 after turning off your OC unless you were staring at your fps counter. In which case, I think you’ve lost why we game anyway. To take a break from reality and enjoy a video game.
I guarantee the 5070 will basically match or slightly beat 4080 performance, and include all the new tech. If that’s not worth it to you, don’t buy it(I probably won’t. My 4070ti does just fine. I don’t even have my fps counter on)
if you cant tell the diff with frame gen on and off i suggest you to stop playing competitive games frame gen is good if you play with Controller but damn on first person games even with 200fps is crap
DLSS 4 will get better with time. All new technology needs more time after it is reased.
Give it 5 years to finally get better then DLSS5 comes out in 2 years for next generation gpu
Ai side quest generators for mmo and rpg.
Does somebody know if Nvidia is planning to upgrade the Geforce Now service?
ok that nvidia girl is cute!
nVidia is now desperately doing the damage control with all premiere Hardware UA-camrs. Lets come AMD 9070 and Battalemage 770 card with plenty VRAM and then compare the price/performance among all of them.
Hello! First of all, congratulations on the video. From my point of view, AI will become essential from now on, especially when paired with hardware designed for specific purposes. For example, in the field of PC gaming, the main limiting factor in terms of performance and cost is the hardware itself. We are approaching such a level of photorealism that the technologies required to make it real, go beyond the capabilities of current hardware.
Additionally, if artificial intelligence can assist within a game in areas such as textual scripting and real-time interaction with NPCs, it would be highly advantageous, saving both time and costs significantly.
On another note, regarding hardware and aside from the two points above, I find it less than ideal that in new generations like Nvidia's 50 series, there are still options with only 8GB of VRAM. No matter how advanced neural compression algorithms become, such configurations may quickly prove insufficient in the short term.
Overall, I believe leveraging artificial intelligence to complement what hardware cannot achieve, is a positive direction to pursue.
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It's just a bot comment paid for by nvidia.
will this work on 40 series cards?
Seeing their past. DLSS3 only worked on the 4000 series’s. So…. I think we can guess
People complaining will be crying if they can't buy one. Just let the cards come out. People were complaining left & right about the 4090, but it was off shelves in a milli second. My best friend was one of them
If gas became 3dollars more expensive you'd complain too. If you require a car to get to work you'd hope for companies controlling the price to make it cheaper. If you require a gpu to render for your personally owned business you'd hope highend consumer cards were a bit more affordable but buy it anyways because it does the job quicker and time is money
Thats not the point buddy.😅
Scalpers and businesses mostly bought it off the shelves. We are talking about gaming here. Plus, its mediocre hardware performance increase across the 50 series, not just the 5090
The fact they are selling doesn’t mean the price is right
@@Doubleome1 Actually it does mean the price is right. If it sells out at a certain price point then why in the world would you lower the price point? That's like going to your boss and saying I want a 10% decrease in pay
you can say fake frames. Thats the accepted name everyone knows
with all those fake frames, are you even playing?
The game is a bit more hazy in the distance with dls 4
A bunch of features that would be amazing on budget hardware but will only work properly on high end hardware.
Seeing frame gen or in painting on frames that are only visable for 5ms is one thing but what happens when that goes up to 16ms.
The entire point of expensive high end stuff is that it doesn use tricks to do stuff and just does stuff. the only upscaler tests and frame gen tests that make any sense are on 60 class gpus where the extra stuff is the difference between playable and not playable and if it doesnt help there then its just S***.
Its very telling they are pushing $2000 hardware to render at 1080p 30 and telling you its good, like going to an expensive fancy resturant and getting 4 day old soup kitchen reheats
It's a sad development IMO. More fake frames, more fake resolution, more noise, more de-noising, more artificial.... less real performance, less actual hardware. Now you pay for software when you buy a physical graphics card
dear lord why are you just calling it dlss4, mfg is not dlss 4 it's associated with it but it's not dlss 4 come on man.
mfg is intergrated with dlss 4.
Their not seperate options
@@BobYeeterson yes they are? in modern games you are given the option to turn on DLSS and then frame generation as a separate option. IDK why you'd comment about something you clearly don't know
frame gen and dlss 4 are complementary to each other - thats why most games shown by nvidia are tested under dlss 4 AND mfg
If you’re using DLSS upscaling, then you don’t have to use MFG, but if you’re using MFG, then there’s no reason not to use DLSS upscaling
@TheGalaxyAW Did you not read what i just said. The reason Nvidia benchmarks them together is so they show the best possible performance in order to attract consumers. They are 2 separate options, however frame gen can only be used with dlss, and dlss can be used without frame gen
lol sure DLSS4 is awesome, but what the hell was that at 1:19 - 1:21? I mean y'all see that too right?
You can have the Dead Frames. I dont want that shit
DLSS 4 is not bad! NVIDIAs pricing and lack of VRAM/Raster performance to what you paying is
By the why DLSS3 still not available for most games.
btw guys, DLSS is not FAKE FRAMES
fact check: false
We dont need fake frames
Why not, we already eat fake food and watch fake tv... everything is fake
amd miss the boat again, my fear is fsr4 input lag, how bad vs dlss4 since both using AI?....rdna4 barely got ai cores while RTX50 have over 1000 tensor cores
leave DLSS alone lol
ive never, ever seen a difference for anything on DLSS even ultra performance, 99% of gamers wont tell
Dlss = blah blah blah
We want raw power!
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So they show case crap stuttering and tell u oh this is our bad version?
He didn't say it was terrible stuttering. And yes, that is what they said. What's wrong with that?
Enough fake frames with latency and artefacts.
Can i play red dead 2 vith dlss4?
it seems nvidia is trying to make a single product for gamers and for machine learning folk... sad news for gamers xd
Any frame gens software sucks in general.
Any game that requires raytracing or other crap i will not buy or ill dl the crack from now on!
well he change the title, how bad is dlss4
Nvidia lacks the VRAM for the frame generation to be really useful. Frame generation itself requires some VRAM and when a graphics solution doesn't have more VRAM than competition, its framerate is smooth enough without frame generation while its VRAM is sufficient anyway. And when its VRAM isn't sufficient, for any game or settings, no solution can offer a playable experience to anyone. Moreover, Lossless Scaling software allows even more frame generation if you have the required memory and want it for all of the graphics solutions anyway.
Part of the new Nvidia tech lessens the Vram usage for not having to load assets into it.
Lossless offers more frames, sure, but its worse than Nvidia, and they don't have the supportive software to back it up and thus have more artifacts and issues (I've been testing LSFG 3.0 and can confirm at 4x its not that good but is better than the previous versions). Even if people apply lossless, post-DLSS update of the older GPUs, it will not be as polished as Nvidia's implementation, which has an entire team dedicated to it. An analogy to this is like comparing DLSS3 to FSR3... both do the same thing, but clearly one is a cut above the other.
A framebuffer at 4K is only 8.4 MB. You can buffer 122 frames in 1 GB of VRAM so I don't think 1 to 3 frames is really going to make any real difference at the end of the day.
Pc centric just benchmark 5090 at 4k cyberpunk path tracing was great 👍
Still sucks for VR.
GTA 6 Ai npcs lol
why are you talking like that?
Maybe AI is good for some games, but said games had better allow me to *disable* it. As for DLSS 4, I really can't say I'm enthused about it. It'll be interesting to see what in-depth benchmarks on the 50 series reveal when compared to the 40 series. How much *raw performance gain* is there between the two generations? Why is Nvidia still giving us mid-tier cards with a low-end amount of VRAM? I'm not holding my breath for it, but I damn sure hope the 9070 XT is as good as those random benchmarks make it out to be, or that Intel gets its crap together and fixes all of the many bugs that still exists with its hardware and drivers, because Nvidia needs a wake-up call on both pricing and specifications.
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i think ill lock my fps at around 90-120, and use 2x frame gen
NVIDIA propaganda, get off my feed you fed
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