important to note, if you bounce ab zero to the extra deck with compuls or brio, starlight road can activate and you will get a stardust dragon. Thanks for the vids
Great explanation for everything, really clears up a lot of rulings that are specific to Edison. If there is anyone who is still unsure about ehren and ryko, the more in-depth break down goes like this: when attacking a facedown monster, the monster is flipped and revealed at sub step 2 of the damage step, but the flip effect it self doesn’t activate till sub step 6. Ehrens effect activates sub step 3, but since ehren doesn’t negate, the flip effect will activate as normal after damage calculation.
At 10:49 I would add that you should still ask "prio?" On the swap frog summon just to completely make sure that they jail themselves on the prio of swap frog to activate the dump effect. Amazing video
I would actually say this is incorrect. Swap frog is an on summon effect, so if you are activating it's effect, you do not have a window to get priority, which is exactly why you wait for them to use swaps dump eff. If they do not use swap frog, they can maintain player priority to use other ignition effects like swap bounces eff or sub eff. Remember, cards do not have priority, players do
It's like asking priority on cards with on summon effects like Stratos and caius. They activate automatically on summon and are not ignition effects so no priority is necessary
To further add to @SackPhase comment , if this is like a high profile tourney like ycs time wizard, you can super hard rule shark them. When they summon swap in this situation and they declare "prio" for swap frog, you can be ruthless and say "ok sure. Which one are you bouncing for cost?". Now this is a level of sharking I wouldn't do lol but I believe it can work.
Ayy, this is a great video! Incredibly helpful, as someone who's been getting my locals into Edison more recently. (Also, even though everyone else in the comments already said it, loving the MMBN music in the background!)
Man, what an amazing video. Thank you so much, this is gonna be really helpful to ALL Edison players! Thorough, good examples, just top notch. Also thumbs up for the *MMBN1* OST. Leg's go! Gonna check out your channel after this vid. :)
Immediate sub from me, I think this is really insightful content. Just a quick question I had - Why can the Sirocco still activate its effect to gain ATK as CL1 if it is the only Blackwing monster on the field? Excited to watch your future content!
I think because it doesn't specify that there must be other bw monsters. I've personally never used it just to chain block haha just thought it was a cool example
you should be more specific about starlight road in damage step, the reason it can't negate is because it negates effects not activations, and only cards that negate activations, spell speed 3, mandatory effects, atk changing effects, flip effects, and trigger effects that activate when the card itself is moved to different locations. So specifically because it says "negate that effect" and not "negate that activation" it can't
really important thing to note is also that vayu made synchro monsters since are not properly synchro summoned cannot be special summoned via RFDD, keep that in mind when you ladder synchro in vayu
I'm pretty sure you can starlight road during damage step. Last I checked, the damage step ruling is that you cannot activate an effect during damage step unless it alters atk/def, triggers like absolute zero/sangan/ryko, or lastly if it responds to specific activation conditions such as war chariot/my body as a shield/etc.
Starlight road and my body as a shield cannot activate in DMG step. Not sure why on my body, but starlight road does not negate the activation of card effects, just the effect itself so you cannot activate it in DMG step
In Edison, only monsters effects and Counter Traps that negate effects (without modifying stats) can be used in the damage step. This is why you can use Stardust to negate a Ryko, but not MBAAS.
Why does it say that Swap Frog’s bounce effect can only be used once while face-up on the field in the rulings section on Edisonformat, but the card says OPT. I was under the impression that if I used it bounce a monster other than itself, I could use it again on my next turn.
I know someone else pointed out but Battle Network music :D so you gained a new sub. Btw where did you get the image of Yugi wearing glasses? Is it from a videogame? :0
3:05 how can bottomless chain to chain to the eff of dark end dragon? wouldn't it have to chain to the summon of dark end itself or is there some priority ruling in edison I'm missing? also I clicked for the battle network logo and nostalgia lol
Yeah it's player priority. In Edison, the turn player retains priority when monsters are summoned, so ignition effects like Dark armed dragon, dark grepher, etc go on CL 1. in this case, dark end would be CL1.
Ruling please.... Player B) has Absolute Zero on their side of the field… Player A) summons Debris Dragon sync with Dandylion into Black Rose Dragon. Black Rose effect goes off to destroy everything. When everything resolves, & the tokens hit the field, does Zero effect clear the tokens off the field?
Player A activates Soul Exchange targeting a face-up Vanity's Fiend. On resolution of the Soul Exchange, player B activates Book of Moon and targets the same Vanity's Fiend. Flipping the monster face-down should remove all lingering effects on the Vanity's Fiend so player A cannot tribute the Vanity's Fiend with that Soul Exchange. This "ruling" was official announced in 2017 (after Edison), but there is no official ruling from 2010 or earlier that I could find. What is your take on this situation?
Booking monsters removes lingering effects. Major part here is WHEN the Book gets played. If the Book is chained to the SE, SE simply resolves on a face-down monster, and can still tribute it. I am talking about SE applying a lingering effect to a face-up monster, and then flipping the monster down later.
@@1RyanDrake1 hrm I'm not sure then. By that logic, if a monster was brain controlled and then booked, wouldn't it stay on your side of the field? My intuition thinks you would still be able to tribute
@@1RyanDrake1im saying if you book the monster after you brain control, it would stay on your side of the field if book removed lingering effects. But i know book does not do that
Because starlight road is always being chained to an effect that it is trying to negate. So starlight road is at least CL2 and whatever it is trying to negate is CL1. since the last thing that is happening is not the summon of stardust, you have no window to bottomless it
What if you dimensional prison absolute zero can you use starlgiht road then? And negate the effect and get a stardust dragon sorry stil unsure about this ruling 😅
Good video! I had a suggestion, and a question on a rule. Suggestion: Bottomless/Torrential vs Drill Warrior. I've made this mistake when I first started, and I've had a couple of people make the same mistake as well. Question: is there some ruling that says you don't have to reveal your deck for NoC if it banishes all 3 of a monster? I know what the card says, yet on three separate instances I've had my opponent argue this with me. I even asked in the Edison FB group, and some players told me that you don't have to reveal. I argue that you *do*, because it's not a verification issue like MC, it's the literal card text of Noc
I don't see that in the card text of NoC? Regardless, if all legal copies are gone, I don't see why you would need to go through the deck. Going through the deck should be done quickly for vetification's sake and not to memorize your opponents deck. It is definitely kind of a gray area though
Diamond dude only copies the effect, so you don't pay costs. Banishing 5 is a cost so you do not banish 5. If you were to reveal destiny draw, you also don't discard a destiny hero
I don’t think I understand the Ryko/Ehren ruling. Flip effects active after damage calculation, and Ehren shuffles it before damage calc, so it wouldn’t be in its trigger location to activate.
Yes! Ryko will be shuffled into the deck before it's effect goes off. Ehren doesn't negate however, so since ryko was flipped, it's effect still goes off
@@SackPhase Right, it was flipped, meaning it met its trigger, but it is no longer in the correct location to activate. It cannot activate in the deck. It’s like discarding a Burning Abyss Monster for a cost, then it gets banished by D.D. Crow. It met its condition, but is not in the correct location to activate. I honestly think you might be wrong on this interaction. If you have any good sources to point me to, to help educate me more, I would appreciate it.
Very useful video! The torrential one was a bit confusing. How does the frog player maintain priority if they used substitoads effect once already? Isnt priority only for the first time substitoads effect is used? Personally if they go for dupe lock i use torrential on the last dupe dont know if its the best strategy though
When the next monster is summoned, the turn player still gets priority on the newly summoned monster. So treeborn is summoned, they get priority and just keep using sub. However, when swap is summoned and they declare the effect of swap, they can't use sub since swap is being activated, so u can torrential that
@@SackPhase oh i see i thought in this case only treeborn would have priority (if he had an effect that could activate) as he would be the newly summoned monster. Thanks for clarifying!
Small Addendum to Starlight Road BP Ruling: The reason why this doesn't work is because in the damage step you're only allowed to activate Quick Effects that negate the activation of something, you're not allowed to activate Quick effects that negate the effect of something. SInce Starlight Road negates an effect, it can't be activated. Funnily enough, Stardust Dragon itself negates actiation, so it can be activated in dmg step.
Slight correction, the only cards that can be used in dmg step are s/t that alter stats, counter traps and monster effects that negate activations. That's why mbaas for example can't be used in the damage step and even if road did negate activations you still wouldn't be able to use it
@@MegaCarina98 ah, I thought it's just about negating effect vs negating actiavations and it just so happens that only countertraps and monsters ever negate activations. Wasn't aware of mbaas
@@SackPhase What are the game mechanic situations, that Drill Warrior effect will NOT resolve & gets destroyed? Because at this point, I feel like maybe I'm cheating 😂 Is it only during the damage step (like if I attack into a Ryko?)
@@SaintProductions1 I'm not sure what you mean? You cannot bottomless or torrential drill warrior when it comes back from the banish zone. It's banish effect is not spell speed 2, so you cannot chain it to mirror force/dprison
Or you can just smashing ground bro screw all that chaining bullshit you get nothing out of it why you make your vidoes all lame and long for such an easy card to deal with
In edison format, absolute zero activates in the extra deck. You can see the rulings here when you scroll down to Absolute Zero: www.edisonformat.com/rulings/individual-rulings-d-e
I cant believe the Orlando RBET champ is gracing us with his knowledge. Awesome work!
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important to note, if you bounce ab zero to the extra deck with compuls or brio, starlight road can activate and you will get a stardust dragon. Thanks for the vids
Yes! Monsters can be destroyed in the extra deck. Great call out
Will ab zero get sent to grave then since its negated and destroyed by road?
@@RaizenEx1yup!
@@SackPhase thx
@@RaizenEx1yes
Great explanation for everything, really clears up a lot of rulings that are specific to Edison.
If there is anyone who is still unsure about ehren and ryko, the more in-depth break down goes like this: when attacking a facedown monster, the monster is flipped and revealed at sub step 2 of the damage step, but the flip effect it self doesn’t activate till sub step 6. Ehrens effect activates sub step 3, but since ehren doesn’t negate, the flip effect will activate as normal after damage calculation.
That Battle Network 3 music though 🔥🔥🔥
At 10:49 I would add that you should still ask "prio?" On the swap frog summon just to completely make sure that they jail themselves on the prio of swap frog to activate the dump effect. Amazing video
I would actually say this is incorrect. Swap frog is an on summon effect, so if you are activating it's effect, you do not have a window to get priority, which is exactly why you wait for them to use swaps dump eff. If they do not use swap frog, they can maintain player priority to use other ignition effects like swap bounces eff or sub eff. Remember, cards do not have priority, players do
It's like asking priority on cards with on summon effects like Stratos and caius. They activate automatically on summon and are not ignition effects so no priority is necessary
To further add to @SackPhase comment , if this is like a high profile tourney like ycs time wizard, you can super hard rule shark them. When they summon swap in this situation and they declare "prio" for swap frog, you can be ruthless and say "ok sure. Which one are you bouncing for cost?". Now this is a level of sharking I wouldn't do lol but I believe it can work.
Ayy, this is a great video! Incredibly helpful, as someone who's been getting my locals into Edison more recently.
(Also, even though everyone else in the comments already said it, loving the MMBN music in the background!)
Man, what an amazing video. Thank you so much, this is gonna be really helpful to ALL Edison players! Thorough, good examples, just top notch.
Also thumbs up for the *MMBN1* OST. Leg's go!
Gonna check out your channel after this vid. :)
Great videos! Glad to see more expert Edison players making content for us plebs!
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Immediate sub from me, I think this is really insightful content.
Just a quick question I had - Why can the Sirocco still activate its effect to gain ATK as CL1 if it is the only Blackwing monster on the field?
Excited to watch your future content!
I think because it doesn't specify that there must be other bw monsters. I've personally never used it just to chain block haha just thought it was a cool example
Glad to see that the prize card our boy won at Orlando basically doesn’t have priority
Thank you brother, extremely helpful!!
I feel my brain getting so big now
Thank you, that was useful!
Great video!
What a helpful video I learned a lot!
Think I might be insulted if you learned anything here
Wow this helpt me so much ! I hope we can see a part 2
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Excellent video
Great tips man
Fantastic tips, definitely worth sharing. Easy sub ❤
the man whose never wrong is here!
you should be more specific about starlight road in damage step, the reason it can't negate is because it negates effects not activations, and only cards that negate activations, spell speed 3, mandatory effects, atk changing effects, flip effects, and trigger effects that activate when the card itself is moved to different locations.
So specifically because it says "negate that effect" and not "negate that activation" it can't
Eye opening video for the edison community
I played back then so this all feels pretty natural
That editing skills
I need more videos like this!
Will be making more for sure 😊
damn this guy can become a professor at duel academy
the extra deck ruling change was recent(two to three years ago) so current format players arguing vs that ruling is just funny.
really important thing to note is also that vayu made synchro monsters since are not properly synchro summoned cannot be special summoned via RFDD, keep that in mind when you ladder synchro in vayu
I'm pretty sure you can starlight road during damage step.
Last I checked, the damage step ruling is that you cannot activate an effect during damage step unless it alters atk/def, triggers like absolute zero/sangan/ryko, or lastly if it responds to specific activation conditions such as war chariot/my body as a shield/etc.
Starlight road and my body as a shield cannot activate in DMG step. Not sure why on my body, but starlight road does not negate the activation of card effects, just the effect itself so you cannot activate it in DMG step
@@SackPhase Ah I see. But if it negates activation it can? O.o
@@sebreezethelegion8793 apparently that is the case. At least, according to the Edison format.com rulings
In Edison, only monsters effects and Counter Traps that negate effects (without modifying stats) can be used in the damage step. This is why you can use Stardust to negate a Ryko, but not MBAAS.
Why does it say that Swap Frog’s bounce effect can only be used once while face-up on the field in the rulings section on Edisonformat, but the card says OPT. I was under the impression that if I used it bounce a monster other than itself, I could use it again on my next turn.
I'm pretty sure it's once per turn per copy
I know someone else pointed out but Battle Network music :D so you gained a new sub.
Btw where did you get the image of Yugi wearing glasses? Is it from a videogame? :0
Facebook sticker AI generator LOOOL
ok, this video was awesome!
3:05 how can bottomless chain to chain to the eff of dark end dragon? wouldn't it have to chain to the summon of dark end itself or is there some priority ruling in edison I'm missing?
also I clicked for the battle network logo and nostalgia lol
Yeah it's player priority. In Edison, the turn player retains priority when monsters are summoned, so ignition effects like Dark armed dragon, dark grepher, etc go on CL 1. in this case, dark end would be CL1.
man edison is a whole diff game
Ruling please....
Player B) has Absolute Zero on their side of the field…
Player A) summons Debris Dragon sync with Dandylion into Black Rose Dragon.
Black Rose effect goes off to destroy everything.
When everything resolves, & the tokens hit the field, does Zero effect clear the tokens off the field?
I believe they go on separate chains. So BRD blows the field and then dandylion summons its tokens. Then ab0 activates and destroys dandylion tokens.
@@SackPhase Copy
If you ever get an update on this, please feel free to share
Player A activates Soul Exchange targeting a face-up Vanity's Fiend. On resolution of the Soul Exchange, player B activates Book of Moon and targets the same Vanity's Fiend. Flipping the monster face-down should remove all lingering effects on the Vanity's Fiend so player A cannot tribute the Vanity's Fiend with that Soul Exchange. This "ruling" was official announced in 2017 (after Edison), but there is no official ruling from 2010 or earlier that I could find. What is your take on this situation?
I don't see why it wouldn't work since soul exchange doesn't care if it's face down.
Booking monsters removes lingering effects. Major part here is WHEN the Book gets played. If the Book is chained to the SE, SE simply resolves on a face-down monster, and can still tribute it. I am talking about SE applying a lingering effect to a face-up monster, and then flipping the monster down later.
@@1RyanDrake1 hrm I'm not sure then. By that logic, if a monster was brain controlled and then booked, wouldn't it stay on your side of the field? My intuition thinks you would still be able to tribute
No, Brain control takes the moster at resolution, SE does not tribute the monster at resolution.
@@1RyanDrake1im saying if you book the monster after you brain control, it would stay on your side of the field if book removed lingering effects. But i know book does not do that
Wait aren’t you allowed to activated cards that negate the activation of effects during the damage step?
Quick question. Why cant you play bottomless trap hole on a stardust dragon that is being special summoned from the effect of starlight road?
Because starlight road is always being chained to an effect that it is trying to negate. So starlight road is at least CL2 and whatever it is trying to negate is CL1. since the last thing that is happening is not the summon of stardust, you have no window to bottomless it
@@SackPhase HOW DOES HE KNOW EVERYTHING WTF
What if you dimensional prison absolute zero can you use starlgiht road then? And negate the effect and get a stardust dragon sorry stil unsure about this ruling 😅
You would be able to negate since it's not dmg step, however monsters in the banished zone cannot be destroyed so you would not get stardust
If i attack absolut zero with goyo .. it pops my field while absolut zero in GY then i summon it with goyo effekt ?
absolute zero says it can only be fusion summoned
Good video! I had a suggestion, and a question on a rule.
Suggestion: Bottomless/Torrential vs Drill Warrior. I've made this mistake when I first started, and I've had a couple of people make the same mistake as well.
Question: is there some ruling that says you don't have to reveal your deck for NoC if it banishes all 3 of a monster? I know what the card says, yet on three separate instances I've had my opponent argue this with me. I even asked in the Edison FB group, and some players told me that you don't have to reveal. I argue that you *do*, because it's not a verification issue like MC, it's the literal card text of Noc
I don't see that in the card text of NoC? Regardless, if all legal copies are gone, I don't see why you would need to go through the deck. Going through the deck should be done quickly for vetification's sake and not to memorize your opponents deck. It is definitely kind of a gray area though
Ruling please
Diamond dude effect with The Beginning of the End?
Will 5 dark monsters still have to be banished ?
Diamond dude only copies the effect, so you don't pay costs. Banishing 5 is a cost so you do not banish 5. If you were to reveal destiny draw, you also don't discard a destiny hero
I don’t think I understand the Ryko/Ehren ruling. Flip effects active after damage calculation, and Ehren shuffles it before damage calc, so it wouldn’t be in its trigger location to activate.
Yes! Ryko will be shuffled into the deck before it's effect goes off. Ehren doesn't negate however, so since ryko was flipped, it's effect still goes off
@@SackPhase Right, it was flipped, meaning it met its trigger, but it is no longer in the correct location to activate. It cannot activate in the deck. It’s like discarding a Burning Abyss Monster for a cost, then it gets banished by D.D. Crow. It met its condition, but is not in the correct location to activate. I honestly think you might be wrong on this interaction. If you have any good sources to point me to, to help educate me more, I would appreciate it.
@@paperneshere you go. Just Ctrl F for Ehren
www.edisonformat.com/rulings/individual-rulings-d-e
@@SackPhase Appreciate it.
Very useful video! The torrential one was a bit confusing. How does the frog player maintain priority if they used substitoads effect once already? Isnt priority only for the first time substitoads effect is used? Personally if they go for dupe lock i use torrential on the last dupe dont know if its the best strategy though
When the next monster is summoned, the turn player still gets priority on the newly summoned monster. So treeborn is summoned, they get priority and just keep using sub. However, when swap is summoned and they declare the effect of swap, they can't use sub since swap is being activated, so u can torrential that
@@SackPhase oh i see i thought in this case only treeborn would have priority (if he had an effect that could activate) as he would be the newly summoned monster. Thanks for clarifying!
@@Olgchris remember, players have priority, not cards!
I’ve had to say that phrase 82,000 times on DB 😅
@@SackPhaseso if the player summoning swap chooses not to activate the dump effect, they can continue prio with sub?
Megaman Battle Network music nice!
Someone noticed!!
I’ve tried to take your armed wing with goyo guardian too many times. I know you made that just for me
You should try taking it again
Just realized that the English Swap from from SOVR has mistranslated text, whoops.
Missing timing is the dumbest fucking thing
yeah i agree. Some cards would be broken though
Thanks
Part 2 please
Good tips
Small Addendum to Starlight Road BP Ruling: The reason why this doesn't work is because in the damage step you're only allowed to activate Quick Effects that negate the activation of something, you're not allowed to activate Quick effects that negate the effect of something. SInce Starlight Road negates an effect, it can't be activated. Funnily enough, Stardust Dragon itself negates actiation, so it can be activated in dmg step.
Slight correction, the only cards that can be used in dmg step are s/t that alter stats, counter traps and monster effects that negate activations. That's why mbaas for example can't be used in the damage step and even if road did negate activations you still wouldn't be able to use it
@@MegaCarina98 ah, I thought it's just about negating effect vs negating actiavations and it just so happens that only countertraps and monsters ever negate activations. Wasn't aware of mbaas
Excelent video
I like Edison.. but I don’t like priority. I think Konami got it right getting rid of priority. It’s always been dumb
I got cheated by the Swap Frog bounce extra monster one :(
i love playing edison but priority sucks
Is there a way to private message you?
I have drill warrior questions .
You can just ask them here :)
@@SackPhase What are the game mechanic situations, that Drill Warrior effect will NOT resolve & gets destroyed?
Because at this point, I feel like maybe I'm cheating 😂
Is it only during the damage step (like if I attack into a Ryko?)
@@SaintProductions1 I'm not sure what you mean? You cannot bottomless or torrential drill warrior when it comes back from the banish zone. It's banish effect is not spell speed 2, so you cannot chain it to mirror force/dprison
Show the whole 10 early
*yoink*
tldr edison rules are stupid
Or you can just smashing ground bro screw all that chaining bullshit you get nothing out of it why you make your vidoes all lame and long for such an easy card to deal with
There's absolutely no way ab0 can activate in extra deck. That's a game mechanic issue not a ruling issue
In edison format, absolute zero activates in the extra deck. You can see the rulings here when you scroll down to Absolute Zero: www.edisonformat.com/rulings/individual-rulings-d-e