Were Mistakes Made? Radeon RX 7900 GRE Review Update
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00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
00:36 - Why a re-review of the re-review of the review?
02:32 - Resident Evil 4
03:35 - A Plague Tale: Requiem
04:03 - Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty
04:15 - Dying Light 2: Stay Human
04:43 - Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered
05:31 - Hogwarts Legacy
06:10 - The Last of Us Part 1
06:41 - Starfield
07:10 - Call Of Duty Modern Warfare 3
07:34 - Alan Wake 2
08:03 - Watch Dogs: Legion
08:27 - Hitman 3
09:10 - 1440p Average
09:43 - 4K Average
10:08 - Cost Per Frame [1440p]
10:42 - Cost Per Frame [4K]
10:54 - Final Thoughts + TechPowerUp Results
Were Mistakes Made? Radeon RX 7900 GRE Review Update
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The 7900GRE is artificially limited. The card is allowed to pull only 260W at stock, when the nearly identical 7900XT is 320W TBP and still demanding more. VRAM is also limited to 18Gbps, despite the fact the memory chip itself is rated for 20Gbps. It seems as though the AIBs are also not allowed to alter anything spec wise besides power limit.
All we can hope for at this point is that they increase the oc limits
This is just a common practice these days, it's the same reason nvidias cards are all bios-locked.
You should also note that 7900xt has 1 more chiplet(?) while having similar total cores as GRE, so there may be diminishing returns of how dence should chiplets be packed and don't forget about temps
~23% power difference feels to be a big limiting factor, but looking at temperatures, higher chiplet density could cause overheating which is why AMD limited their reference model to 260watts
doesn't morepowertool work on 7000 series?
Don't forget that the memory bus for the GRE is based on the 7800 XT sharing the 256bit 16 gig vs the 7900xt's 320 bit 20gig
This what makes Hardware Unboxed so great. When they find discrepancies they dig even deeper to keep consumers informed.
He didn't even need to dig he said exactly what he thought the problem was outright at the beginning of the video and then he did the video to prove that what he said was true.
It's cool to see but it was a waste of his time.
Not just that, but he is the only channel that did it properly to begin with. Comparing an AIB OC 7900 GRE to a reference 7800 XT, like other channels did, and coming up with +15% +20% improvements is misleading and scammy as hell. If anything, it's the other channels that should make clarification videos explaining their garbage, unfair data. Like for like comparisons should be a standard, period.
10:19 this chart tho, nitro cards are generally $100 more than stock. With that i rather get the base 4070Ti super, or asus dual, inno3d version. Coolers should not cost $100 more no matter how great.
@w00t692 confirming isn't a waste of time. These guys are pretty awesome. I do hate how knob slobby that sounds but it's true
@@happybuggy1582 "i rather get the base 4070Ti super, or asus dual, inno3d version."
Are you sure about that? Cheapest of each.
-7900gre ASRock Chall oc: £533.98
-7900 GRE XFX MERC: £538
-7900 GRE Sapphire PURE: £539.99
RTX4070ti super Zotac gaming Trinity: £769.99
...you'd pay 43.3% more for the cheapest 4070Ti super they can stick a 16 pin on?
I find the GRE to be a very strange product with how they've nerfed the memory to hold back those 80 RDNA 3 compute units. It's like it behaves more like an overclocked 7800XT with 60 CU's than and 80 CU card a lot of the time.
Agreed. It's an odd choice to nerf it like that. The GRE should be on the heels of the 4070 Ti Super. I do wonder how much influence the 18Gbps memory has when you consider the 64MB of infintiy cache, which is identical to the 7800 XT. I think they should've at least included another 20MB or so of cache if they wanted to keep the memory down at 18Gbps. Wouldn't make up for it entirely, but it'd make more sense.
@@shaun1243 but you can't just `include another 20MB` of cache without retaping and refreshing N31 chip or at least MCD part of it (totally not cost efficient doing if for one card, this stuff usually doesn't change through generation)
you have 16MiB cache per MCD - so
7900GRE 4 active MCD (256bit) - 4x 16MiB = 64MiB
7900XT 5 active MCD (320 bit) - 5x 16MiB = 80MiB
7900XTX 6 active MCD (384 bit) 6x 16MiB = 96MiB
This way it's much cheaper to manufacture. Fewer MCDs, smaller packaging, less (and likely much cheaper due to Hynix!) vram... And some of these main dies (estimates vary around 40-90%) they'd otherwise need to throw away
It's bandwidth starved + very power limited
@@timiko4 Thanks for the breakdown. I get it, they are trying to offer a level of performance for a price. Just the enthusiast in me finds it a bit odd. Whats also odd is how they've limited overclocking the memory. They've cornered those 80 CU's with extreme prejudice lol.
I noticed the GRE in your tests being slightly worse than in what some others found, and didn't find it to be a problem -- you were explicit about testing the reference models. This update is thus an excellent addendum to an already good review. It would be interesting to see how much the 7900 XT benefits from an AIB treatment as well, but you obviously can't test everything.
The problem with those other reviews is they ARE using those OC AIB cards but aren't mentioning that they aren't even close to MSRP. Nitro+ cards usually cost 10% more while not being 10% faster, making them a worse value. I find it disingenuous for those other reviewers to claim $550 when they're using the Nitro+ cards that sapphire sent out.
@@zodwraith5745 on other hand, i am seeing basic OC models (Sapphire Pulse OC) for MSRP and they doing pretty good in reviews
The presentation, editing and voice-over for the graphs is perfect. It was easy to understand the differences you highlighted without pausing. I'm pointing this out because I sometimes struggle to follow other reviews with the same density of data.
I expect that the bulk of differences in review results can be attributed to game selection. GN had better overall results for the GRE, but their game selection for testing is wildly different to HUB. So how do consumers proceed? Average the averages in the reviews! Personally, I put more stock in the game types than the averages - I don't play competitive titles, I play single player RP style games. So I look for performance in that category.
Good on you Steve for this re-re-review. Your integrity and commitment to fair results is commendable!
perfect example of why it's good to look at as many reviews as you can. if everyones just benchmarking the same games in every review then you don't get the whole picture of performance.
@@sirmonkey1985 there is also the possibility of not worrying about a few percentage points
I guess, the game selection, but if you look at the Digital Foundry video, in Plague Tale Requiem 1440p Ultra, the GRE is 9% faster than the 4070 Super while in the HUB video the 4070S is faster. In Cyberpunk in DF's video the GRE is faster than 4070S, while in HUB's video they're basically on par. So it's always crucial to watch many reviews if you're planning to buy a GPU. Even when HUB tested the Nitro+ version, their results are still different than GN or DF, and the conclusion is different too...
Or chose the review that has a game selection closer to what you like. As long the methodology is good , you can swap reviewer. Gamer Nexus and HUB are always a safe bet , though i prefer HUB because they agregate 1080p , 1440p and 4k data
GN is also still using a 12700k for benchmarks too which hurts NVidia gpu's more!
It's been YEARS since AIB cards were significantly faster than the stock card, like in this case.
Thanks for this follow-follow-up!
it always surprise me how good nitro + 6800 XT is doing in GN tests
the increased power target explains why they decided to give the pulse model three fans for a chip with a nominal tdp slightly lower than the 78xt's two-fan pulse card. this is actually really interesting! thank you as always for the Good Bar Graph Talkies!
Woahhh AMD is gonna loosen the OC limits a bit?? Excited to see what a 7900 gre can do when it’s tuned.
I didn't know they would be doing this, I am excited AF!
LET'S GOOOOO (rare amd not disappointing us moment)
curious to see what it can do if someone manages to get a modified vbios running on the GRE
if they allow the power limits to go upto 300-320W this could allow for better clocks probably around the 2.3-2.5GHz and allow memory to run at 20Gbps this all should massively improve performance. At least 10% more performance than current benchmarks, if not 15%+
Never. They locked the overclocking down heavily pretty much just after RX 7900 XTX dropped
A re-test re-test is needed with the new drivers unlocking the VRAM OC.
Sapphire Nitro+ is one of the best Air Cooled GPU's I have ever owned.
Yes and it costs $50 more!
"Worth only 50 pounds more". It's worth every penny. Better Coolimg, better performance. Easy on the ears at 70% fan speed too.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamerAnd it looks absolutely beautiful!
Get the Hellhound instead, less expensive and nearly identical
@@pinakmiku4999 I paid an extra £150 for a MSI Suprim X 4080 Super , and it's worth it in lower fan speeds and lower noise , as well as being a nice bit of design. The nearest nVidia equivalent to Nitro+ IMO.... just wish Sapphire and Powercolor would start making Geforce models ;)
The one really important thing just thrown out there at 13:36 lol
Thanks for letting us know Steve ^^
Thanks for picking that up. It's honestly suggesting that close to full 7900XT might be available on the silicon lottery
Just as a heads up, the Sapphire Nitro + RX 7900 GRE is $580 on Newegg. The RX 7800 XT model is $530.
GRE is a no-brainer then.
its a $50 difference between the two around here as well....I have a feeling the 7800 XT might get a price drop soon
Not really. 10% more expensive, 7% faster. What's a no brainier abt that?@@manoftherainshorts9075
In the UK the sapphire pure and xfx merc versions are like £538.
So about the same as the very lowest end 4070 and some higher end 4060Ti!
They're gonna sell out everywhere.
in europe at least 650€
Thanks for the 2nd look!
BTW, Daniels video this morning on the 7900 GRE Hellhound were interesting. I think the 7900 GRE is the card I've been looking for for my VR rig.
Steve I’m so sorry to see you had this issue with your review methodology. However for a win here, I love how you have explained the % going from Reference to Reference, Nitro+ to to Nitro+, and Reference to Nitro+. That’s actually super informative and goes a step further than even TechJesus himself. So this is an absolute killer of a “set the record straight” update video. I love it. This is the kind of thing that makes me refer friends and family contemplating builds or upgrades to your channel. Keep on keeping on, King Steve.
Thanks for going the extra mile. Keeps me coming back :)
It seems that you have found the best candidate for comparing versions of the same product from different manufacturers
I actually didn’t knew about the lengths you guys go to test base specs I really appreciate that, often you see only people comparing wildly different levels of board partners, you guys do a great job congrats
I think the bigger picture comes down to this: theere is no 'reference' model for the global launch, it is a parner-only launch, the end-user will only be able to buy AIB cards, so to represent what the end-user will experience, and be able to actually purchase, an AIB model must be used.
Thanks for the new tests
My sapphire nitro 7900xt was ridiculous out of the box, when you add your own overclock on top it insane. I was surprised when I got it as I believe it is the only 7900xt to use ×3 8 pin power.
I would like to know how this overclocks, undervolting and abusing the OEM tolerances. i saw a techpowerup article that showed up a 11.7% upgrade margin over the reference card on 3dmark. If we can get a little bit more free performance(5% to 10%) then this new 7900 GRE will be an amazing card. Otherwise just buy a 7800xt
Just got mine today. The Memory clock OC is limited to on 2316Mhz much lower than 7800XT. And max gpu clock that I can go is about 2800mhz. I got the Nitro + model so I think that's as far as this gpu can go. I only use Adrenalin to OC and UV tho, not willing to test with MSI afterburner.
Overclocks are own risk, own skill. There's potential for sure. But that's all on you.
@@tienatnguyen588213:36
Nuff said. they got reserve they are not using but will be released if the market requires it to make product sell.
@@tienatnguyen5882they limit the oc to 2800 core and 2316 memory, the card runs into the frequency limit before the voltage limit. It could boost higher if it weren’t locked down
After tinkering with mine 7900gre reference model I think for me overclocking it don't make any sense . Undervolted -70mV and -10% power limit does 2250-2450mhz in games + memory at 2316mhz (maximum) in that combination about 21500pkt in 3dmark fire strike at 225w - max overclock on mine does 2500-2600mhz at 280W and only 9% score increase in 3dmark .
55w for extra 9% performance is not worth for me . Is seems this card is so memory bottlenecked that core overclocking barely does anything . If they unlock more memory overclocking maybe then OC will be worthy
Thank you for revisiting this as I was also getting a little confused with the data that every one was sharing about the card.
Dang, I liked seeing the top end from previous lines still being included so we have a reference for those of us still on AMD 6xxx and Nvidia 3xxx series. Didn't expect the whole line up, but it was nice to see the 6950 and 3080 ti's included for at least a reference to older cards.
“Hold up, wait a minute, some’n ain’t right”
Hold up, wait a minute. Put a little love in it.
"Hold up wait a minute. Let me put some kush up in it"
@@chexmixkittygiga chad, still one of the best bands imo.
Love the attention to detail in your videos. Keep it up.
Thanks for showing this. It was very useful understanding the details.
Man, you're awesome. The way you deal with ”mistakes” is really exemplary. It's not even a mistake, it's just an oversight, and you still put in the work to update the data and quickly publish it. Well done.
It's not "mistakes made" if two products with the same label are substantially different.
But certainly this is a product that has potential to be of interest based on the die, even if there are multiple versions with great variation. You could argue that the VRM differences on the 4070 Super are also exactly the same "problem" in that you have some that can clock to near Ti spec, and others that are artificicially restricted with actually worse VRM's than the stock 4070.
If the AIB overclock versions of the GRE are close to the 7900XT version, then they're almost a totally different product, and that needs addressing.
Thanks for coming back and doing this. I'm sure you REALLY wanted to come back and do this all over again :) Content is king.
It's for the Chinese market and with all the restrictions between the US and china this is what this GPU is for. It's not AMD issue it's a global issue :)
@@bluej511no, the 7900XT was well below the "AI tax" threshold.. As was the 7900XTX and 4080.
@bluej511 this is absolute nonsense. It's an AMD issue all the way.
@@AndyViant right but the GRE was, at the time, for Chinese market only. My guess is AMD trying to compete in price they're releasing it worldwide. It's the GRE not the XT GRE so still named differently.
Still, the limiting factor of the 7900 GRE is the VRAM. It boggles my mind how AMD paired a 80CU Die with ONLY 18 Gbps memory on a 256Bit wide bus.
It's pure product stack. They know these can do better.
But performance always has price limits and vice versa.
It’s already generous compared to 4070 super
Edit: 4070s has 1GB more vram than 1080Ti
they are binned 7900xt's so they can't make them better it doesn't work like that
@@AndyViantYeah but they're not competing with themselves in a vacuum, they're competing against the 4070S. Why cripple your own product?
@@corvoattano9303Why did Nvidia deliberately cripple the 4070 non super? Same reason.
Much respect steve got doing a follow up video. This is why you guys are one of favorite PC tech channels.
Loved the rereview. Definitely felt it deserved more explanation, and you did an excellent job of delivering that. Thank you!
wow this might be the first card where its actually worth it to buy a factory oc model
7900xtx nitro is also worth it (I almost only by Ref cards the last 20 years for a reason). It is about as quick as a 4090 (they clock to 3ghz+) without the PCie connector breaking and 12V power crap. And half the price lol
@hytalefanboi7471 I think you meant cards given that the 7800 XT also saw improved value. 🙂
Um. Are you new to this?
Up until very recently, the reference cards have always been "terrible". They had loud blower coolers and ran hotter.
Now don't get me wrong, buying the most high end board partner card at way more money than the reference was and still is silly.
But so was buying a reference card with an awful cooler instead of a partner card with a better and quieter cooler with a small OC on it.
Informed consumers in the DIY gaming market weren't buying OC cards. They were buying cards that ran cooler and didn't sound like a jet engine when playing games. Had zero rpm modes and so on.
It's often been worth it, they usually cost the same as the non-OC models and are slightly better binned
These days I find factory OC models fairly quiet in general... But given the girth of many cards (esp. Nvidia ones), it's not all that surprising.
mate, just happy to see you again LOL
I like seeing more HUB content regardless
yeah i think videos suit me best, specific hw just simply dont have time, and energy
Good job, Steve. The extra data will be useful.
@Hardwareunboxed WDYT about conducting a double overclocking battle between 7900GRE + 7900XT vs 4070S + 4070TiS ? Many of the newer cards seem to be artificially capped in terms of power limits so I'm wondering what gains you could get from AIB cards that provide some free air for increasing those limits.
Congrats on 1 mil!!
Have we gotten used to all models of the same GPU performas about the same?
Thanks for taking the time to validate scores.
What can I say, first of all thanks for listening the community by doing additional tests, great job Hardware Unboxed!!
8-15% additional performance costing 10% more than the 7800xt, I see it as a fairly honest thing to be honest, then considering the possibility of being able to "somehow" unlock the limits imposed by AMD, succeeding in this could lead to bring home a nice quality/price gem. As a custom solution the Powercolor Hellhound seems the best for the price, noise, overclocking and temperatures.
AMD has pulled another stunt in terms of cards and pricings. Where i live the difference between a RX7800 XT and a RX7900 GRE is around 60 euros while the difference between the RX7900 GRE and the RX7900 XT is around 180 euros. At those price points the GRE seems a no brainer...While the start of the year had the 7800XT dropping it's price it seems it's been kept artificially up as it went up around 20 euros and kept steady for more than 2 months now
Watching this and then the DF review right after definitely raised some eyebrows, I know your testing methodologies are quite different but the result was uncommonly different, so I'm not surprised to see this video come out.
Great work as always! I do believe in HUB testing over any others at the end of the day.
I'm glad you guys did an updated review as the overall review seemed to be an outlier compared to other similar review outlets. I saw/read a few reviews prior to HUBs and the overall gist that I got was the card is somewhat perfect for folks who want cheap lower end 1440p 4k gaming with reasonable expectations. The games also matter as some 1440p and 4k resolution settings mean the games will attempt to use all the vram and larger textures. This is where the nvidia line that isn't a 4090 appear to stumble much like the 970 with it's 3.5Gb debacle back in the day.
Yesss was hoping for this video!
Can u suggest a budget power supply for nitro+ 7800xt? I was thinking Deepcool PM750 gold
Time to retest. AMD unlocked the memory limit
Considering the limited memory bandwith, could you please check out how much you can squeeze out of the 7900GRE with overclocking the memory frequency?
Im guessing sapphire is doing exactly that, to get to the Performance they have, including the better meomorycooling they implemented.
I cant find a hint at their website what memory frequency they have, but maybe have a look at that.
Thanks again for you amazing content, always watching!
I'm very curious about how they will overclock when that bug is fixed. It's based on Navi 31 instead of Navi 32 and if you have a huge cooler with 2x8pin connectors that thing might be able to be cranked to the moon
This could actually be an exciting card for overclocking of they remove memory oc limits and ideally increase power limit offset further. The gains could be substantial, unlike most cards on the market these days.
The GPU shader clock is also limited to 2800 They need to do more than just increase the VRAM limits. You won't need an increased power budget with a max clock that low.
For me overclocking gains are minimal 400mhz more on core and only 9% but 100mhz on memory and 5% increase (talking about 3dmark time spy scores ) ...
But undervolting is really good - at 225w and -70mV it keeps clocks about stock level and combine that with memory at 2316mhz to get 5-7% better performance than stock at just 225w - probably most energy efficient rdna3 card .
Just make a chunt mod replace original memory with faster, and install custom bios
😂
I know this card has been out for about a year in china but driver updates might help in the future. I hope there will be optimization and we get a revist of the revist of the revisit of the review.
Proper follow up 👍 Thank you
Do you think it would be a good idea to start categorizing or collating by the underlying engine that a game is using? It strikes me this is going to become quite important as Unreal Engine 5 games start becoming increasingly more common.
this might be truly relevant, yeah. on the other hand, if most games are on UE5, it makes sense most games tested are UE5 too
Im glad you showed all 12 games' individual charts. Showing a few and then an avg or just the average isnt acceptable
11:35 who have stock gre? Is that fitment correct? 267mm or 276mm? On tech power up they says that's 276mm, there is 267mm ...
Happy to rewatch the review of the re re review I rewatched already
The 7900GRE and XT have a lot of juice in the tank.
They want you to not overclock it, so they can release a 7950 version at some point in time, where they push the power limits for some good gains. And charge you an extra 50-100$ for it.
It wouldn't be the first time they did this.
Also. The OC does help in bandwidth starved scenarios or boostclock starved scenarios.
To be fair that would make them look even worse compared to 40 series' efficiency.
@@zodwraith5745to be fair that only really matters in the European market where Nvidia is already much more expensive compared to AMD, so not that big of a deal
@@zodwraith5745 nVidia has s 10% more FPS/Watt but prices their products +25% more
If AMD would push 20% more performance from OC by pushing 20% more Watts, the ratio of FPS/Watt would be the same
AMD uses a 6nm and 5nm node, and nVidia uses a 5nm node
The difference is minimal
It's not like Intel, which is on 10nm, therefore requiring Double the Watts to match AMD performance on 5nm
Is the GRE a more appealing option when coming from a 6800 (non xt), and wanting to stick around that 550 to 600 dollar price point?
time steve could've spent sleeping
Facts
Instead, he spends it making sure to get things right. It's why I'm subbed.
As always, great content. thank you
I just bought the hellhound version. Looking forward to my upgrade from my rx 5600 xt
The level of integrity and professionalism shown here is above and beyond - thanks for this particular effort :)
Well done HUB! Very transparent, thank you!
Could you next time include a section/table the advertised specs (reference/Nitro). And perhaps even observed clocks and power consumption? Would be valuable to know if it is a higher power target which allows for longer periods of boost, or if the cards can maintain a higher clock.
Looks like the Nitro+ has a Thermal Board Power of 290W vs 260W reference. And the the clocks are 2391 MHz vs 2245 MHz
Mad respect for correcting the oversight! It's more good data for potential buyers and we'll take it. Either way, you guys are helping us with adding this data and that is praise worthy. Keep doing your thing HUB.
Not an oversight really, oced version that cost more shouldn't be highlighted as main performance because people paying msrp aren't going to be getting oc cards that cost $50 more
He made no oversight. People are just simple
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2brexactly. My strix 3080 12gb is faster than stock version as well. That’s how things work. If the mfg cranks the frequency and power budget, card go faster. Why is this so hard for people to understand? Weird complaints from so many commenters.
Oh would love to see what can be done in overclocking. If only because of the N31 chip specs difference in the 7900 GRE, 7900 XT and 7800 XT.
Interesting thanks!
Love a good ol' Gre-test of a product to see the changes.
Very nice to see a correction video this fast.
Great review!
I would like to see a Gigabyte Gaming OC 7800xt VS 7900GRE video. The Gaming OC models are usually right at MSRP with an occasional $10 sale now and then.
At least for the 7800xt model in the past month.
Also if AMD does indeed fix overclocking on the GRE models I would like to see another heads up between the Gigabyte Gaming OC 7800xt overclocked VS 7900GRE overclocked as I believe these models are popular due to their pricing at MSRP and more consumers would want to see what these MSRP cards are capable of. Since the Sapphire Nitro versions are usually above MSRP it would be safe to assume they are purchased less by consumers than the Gaming OC’s so I believe it would reach a broader audience is when testing the overclocked potential of these two cards to use MSRP versions of the cards.
Thank you for your time and for the videos!
Well for price to performance its not to shabby but all gpus will have different results due to bins.
They really should have called it a 7850xt or gre its just not 7900 class...
actualy, the die itself is still a navi31 die and not a navi32 die like on the 7800xt, but just a little bit faster memory would have helped that card a lot to close the gap between the 7800 and 7900xt
Golden rabbits are heavy, so they slow the card down..
It's a Navi31 die so 7900SE might've been more appropriate.
@@defeqel6537 ....🙄
Respect HUB for doing this re review, it s relevant to see how much of a difference a good board partner model can make for the 7900 GRE!
Why not include the power draw comparison
So did other reviwers use the reference 7800xt then compare the GRE using the partner cards?
And to think that I submitted that very question about the differences between the cheap and the expensive versions of gpu's to the last Q&A and it got ignored... kinda funny imo.
This was an unusually large difference between reference and partner version. The "reference" model in this case is really only a China spec model. Good on you for retesting, it's much more practical info in this case. When the value proposition is so close between these cards a few percent difference is actually worth considering.
I'm hoping the RAM clocking bug gets resolved and we can OC the memory a bit to close the gap to the 7900 XT.
I would like to see some max oc/undervolt benchmarks
Now this is dedication. Thanks Steve!
Thanks Steve
Where did you get the reference model?
Should I buy 7800xt rn or wait and invest my time for 7900gre to settle and not stay weird as it is. This is while in the Netherlands and right now they’re not even sold anywhere my estimate is in 2 months will their price settle here
Amd fukced up again 😂
They call OC limitation a bug 😅😂
I wish there was a difference between the reference models and AIB like shown here, to justify the premium over stock.
Thanks for this.
I would love to see the 6800xt in comparison to all these tests. I still own one and am curious how it stands up to this newer architecture after all these years
Excellent video
Thank you Steve,
Thanks Steve.
Got my gre running at 2.5ghz at like 80c and 280w, thing is a beast
what was the perf upliftment?
@@Akmpkm32 the what?
@vadski3469 stock vs oc how big is the difference?🥺
@@Akmpkm32 upliftment... lol
@@vickyperera4203 haven't measured exactly, I always just ran it oc'ed from the day I got it
Is there no way to increase the memeory frequency to match the 7800XT's 19.5GB/s ?
Tyvm Steve.
I was waiting for this Video. First, I watched your video on the 7900GRE test, and the conclusion was to avoid this card. After that, I watched DF and Nexus videos, and the conclusion was positive.
He still has essentially the same conclusion if you're excited about the 7900 GRE why weren't you excited about the 7800 XT?
Mostly because here where i live the price of 7800XT is same as 7900GRE@@w00t692
Actually the 7800XT is now worse value, Digital Foundry got it right. If the GRE is 8 10% faster and it s just 10% more expensive, then it s quite fine since the higher up.the stack you go, the more premium you expect to pay against a lesser model. So 7800XT should be 15% cheaper to be a great deal tbh. Same goes for the 4070 and 4070 super, they should come down, especially the vanilla 4070!
So what's the power consumption difference?
Nice clarification, this is why I love hub!
Interesting, I recently upgraded one of my rigs to 7800 xt and was bummed out when the 7900 gre was released. I was like really? I could have waited I couple months, but I managed to get my 7800 xt for 450ish USD, so I think I got a decent deal. Mostly since the cards don't seem as different as I thought at first glance.
Which model? Regardless 450 usd is good price for concurrent market.
I did the same bro, it's still a great deal and a great card. I bet ppl are feeling bad getting a 4070 when the Super came out, it's typical but our cards are still valuable and perform really good.
Honestly, the waiting game is always a losing one. There will always be more hardware coming out that outdoes whatever you can buy now. A good deal at a good time is something you should be content with and proud of. I got my 4090 for 500 less than I usually see them go for because PNY models aren't very popular here. I am on a clock too, but I'm glad I got that good deal halfway through last year.
Unless the GRE OCs much better than what is currently possible - which might actually be the case if AMD indeed unlocks the sliders as they told HUB they will - you didn't miss on anything. It's basically a 10% faster card for 10% more money (7800XT also OCs very well).
@@Roland_Deschain The powercolor hellhound.
Quick question: I got Chieftec Proton 700W and it has two 6+2 pin connectors on one wire. Is it safe to power this gpu with my PSU? I want to buy it now and upgrade everything else a few months later
You should hopefully have 2 of those power wires coming out of your power supply. If you use two different wires, you're good for power. If you use the two plugs from the same wire, then you are limiting the total power the gpu can effectively draw and could lead to throttling or potentially crashes.
Interesting to see how partner models actually make a difference again. In the old days you could sometimes see a pretty big difference over default specs. I wonder how the other models compare.
This is because the 7900gre is a special case... AMD has heavily nerfed it in terms of memory speed, consumption and bus. Despite the strong constraints imposed, every increase in frequencies makes those 80 CUs better exploited, even when buying a custom card I recommend overclocking the memories to the maximum possible (stable)... even if it could perform even better if someone comes up with some firmware to unlock the latent power of the card, if this were the case things will get really interesting for the price.
AMD today admitted driver bug that limits OCing. Hopefully we can unleash more crippled potential via manual oc'ing, something that is probably worthwhile with this card. Why even use N31 if you are going to cripple the card so heavily. Needed 20Gb/s memory and 200MHz higher clocks.
"driver bug"