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Do people not know that stormtroopers or clone blasters uses plasma? I mean plasma is something that can decimate space marines or anyone highly armoured. And these aren’t 40k plasma weaponry these are rapid plasma bolts. That space marine should be death with the first headshot or one or two shots to the chest.
Seeing as how in the first parts it seemed like only the Space Marines with plasma guns died I’m curious if most of them blew themselves up rather than dying to the clones
12:07 Space Marine: "Brother, stop playing with your prey!" Dreadnought: "Oh come on, let me have my fun! I needed this after you woke me up from my slumber!"
I think the AI getting reworked to have WH40K troops favour melee at times would make sense. I mean without assault troopers here staying at range is fine I guess. But can you imagine 1000 clones vs 10 tactical squad and 5 assault marines? It'd be pure carnage.
The whole thin is a buffed soldier vs a slightly buffed soldier. Otherwise the first clip would be a minute or two and the second clip even lower than that. A land raider with two double plasma guns and a heavy devestator as the coaxial and somehow the dudues running plastic armor aren't dead in the first 10 seconds?
At this range, tac marines can sprint it in seconds going melee combat making it hard for the clones to shoot over friendlies but their guns would have shred through multiple clones anyways, they've fought stronger, deadlier & greener foe
@@GenJuhru Galactic Republic navy: 400,000-2,000,000+ warships made from Venator star destroyers(1,137m), Arquitens light cruisers(325m), Acclamator assault ships/Mark II cruisers(752), victory class star destroyers(900m), Consular light assault cruisers(115m), mandators/Mark IIs(8km), and many planetary defense fleets. Clone army: 25,000,000-13 billion Non clone forces: 800,000,000-30 billion Tanks/Repulsor craft/walkers: 12,000,000-670 million Jedi: Around 10,000 Territory: 100,000-1,500,000 worlds/systems Weapons/Armor: The phase I clone trooper armor was more of an environmental suit, which could only take light blaster shots, and shrapnel. It could not even protect against projectile weaponry. The phase II was stronger and more comfortable(If equal, or greater than stormtrooper armor, is strong enough to tank anything under a 20mm). Clone troopers typically carried two thermal detonators, two concussion grenades, and one electromagnetic pulse grenade. The DC-15S was capable of shooting the equivalent of a 14.5mm round of plasma. Is capable of penetrating through the bounty hunter dirge and his durasteel armor. The DC-15A is a more powerful rifle meant for piercing heavier armor, with a maximum range of 10km. Heavy weapons clones carried rotary blaster cannons, and rocket launchers. Their proton torpedo launchers were capable of destroying, or incapacitating two armored assault tanks without a direct hit in one shot. A paladin blaster rifle used by the senate guard put 3-5 inch deep holes the size of a human head in a marble or stone pillar. Other unit variants included scuba troopers, jet troopers, paratroopers, and scout troopers. Kaminoan clones were grown and raised to be battle ready in ten years. They can be grown at a rate of 4 million per generation. Spaarti clones were made through arkanian, and cranscoc means. Spaarti clones could be grown in a single year, but were significantly inferior to kamino clones as they sometimes suffered from clone madness, and only had flash training(Bad aim). Another deference are the spaarti clone's lack of mandalorian culture. Naval damage: Quad turbolasers dished out 200 megatons(AOTV cross section says 200 gigatons, but treat it as an outlier) per shot, while laser cannons 6 kilotons. Vehicles: The AT-ET is armed with six heavy laser cannon turrets(grenade level), and a mass driver cannon. The RX-200 assault tank's long range ion cannons fried electrical systems, and were highly effective against deflector shields. Five Self propelled heavy artillery ion cannons were capable of downing a core ship. It's artillery shell variant was capable of leveling skyscrapers in a short time frame with multi kiloton ordinance. There were walkers such as the AT-RT, AT-AP, AT-XT, AT-OT, and an older AT-AT model. The HAVw A6 juggernaut was armed with a heavy laser cannon turret, rapid repeating laser cannon, medium anti personnel cannons, twin blaster cannons, and rocket/grenade launchers. Lastly was the TX-130 saber class fighter tank, and AV-7 anti-vehicle cannon. Clone commandos are elite clone troopers specializing in operations behind enemy lines. Their katarn armor can take fire from magnetically accelerated projectile weapons, and comes with deflector shields. Their DC-17m blaster supplements the DC-15S but can be modified as a sniper rifle, or anti-armor rifle. They used a plethora of grenades, the DC-15s side arm blasters, accelerated charged particle weapons, recon droids, shotguns, saber darts, knuckle plated vibro blades, vibro daggers, and more. Though capable of successfully destroying, and sabotaging enemy factories, and strategic targets do not overestimate their abilities. Clone commandos while superior to normal clones are meant for team opts behind enemy lines. This is emphasized during the battle of geonosis, when nearly half of 10,000 commandos were killed on the frontlines. Again when clone commandos with basic gear were sent to reclaim a diplomatic gift, and suffered serious casualties against generic criminals. Advanced recon commandos, or ARCs are elite frontline commandos. Alpha ARCs are a hundred genetically enhanced clones, trained by Jango fett. They are smarter, stronger, more creative and faster than any other clone on the battlefield. A whole squad of clone commandos would think twice before engaging a single alpha ARC. Eventually these alphas trained additional ARCs from the normal clone population. An ARC is on par if not superior to an individual clone commando. ARCs sometimes carry the WESTAR-M5 blaster. This blaster at full power can pierce an AAT's armor, and could attach an under barrel grenade launcher. Heavy gunner ARCs carry rotary blaster cannons, and reciprocating quad blasters, which were capable of destroying seperatist tanks. Blaze troopers wore jet propelled heavy armor(Would need a 60mm round to fully penetrate), and utilized a flamethrower. Not all jedi participated in the war, and their abilities widely varied in scale. A padawan can halt 4 heat seeking missiles, from a hail fire, or repel bullets with a concentrated force ball . A talented jedi knight pushed to the extreme can halt an entire venator star destroyer mid air(Yes it happened). Jedi can leap, and survive falls of over a 100 meters. Their reaction time can be subsonic to hypersonic. Their force enhanced strength can help them toss wampas(Luminara), lift and fight a muscular basilisk(Obi wan), destroy battle droids with their bare hands(Mace windu, Shon Ju, and Jun-Fan), survive being thrown through/at concrete/brick walls, or smash through force pushes with the same strength to lift stone/brick pillars(Anakin as a knight). Basic force abilities include telepathy, mind trick, force barrier, force repulse, limited precognition, force slam, force push, increased strength/durability, and force throw. Projectile weapons are a weakness, but mostly not because they lack the speed to deal with them. Explosive rounds, and shrapnel are the problem, though a skilled enough jedi knight can counter with the force.
Depends. Is it a Blood Angels Dreadnought with a brother Librarian internend within? Then: it would take orbital bombardment, Vader or even Palpatine himself for a chance at taking it. A 'normal' dread? Still unlikely;)
Space Marines in their Universe: Pretty damn good and scary but still baby toys Space Marines in other Universes: Holy fucking shit one guy just killed a entire empire
Until they wind up in the dragonball universe. It would be like muslims trying to start sh1t in Texas. Then they'll all submit to a new emperor. The good news is all their enemies will be wiped from existence. At least humanity will get to absorb all the necron technology
Honestly the most unrealistic parts were the Space Marines going prone and the AT-AP not dropping its third leg and using its heavy cannon on the enemies.
Not really. By going prone, they reduce the amount of areas the clones can hit and put their shoulder pads forward, this is actually pretty good as if they were standing tall, they'd be dead a lot faster. By going prone, they reduce the amount of spots the clones can hit and force them to shoot the most armoured parts of their body.
@@farkasmactavish Actually, it does. Even if Blasters don't look impressive, in lore, Blasters can punch through steel with ease. Even if they're on the level of a lasgun, which would be weaker, it would still fuck up the Astartes. Astartes power armour, despite what everyone says, is NOT invincible. Not even fucking close.
@@scorpion40k It's common sense. Only an idiot would stand tall when in a firefight. This tracks with some of the scenes in the video as the Astartes that didn't go prone died the fastest.
12:16 The Chapter Master ain't gonna be happy when he finds out an entire small company of Space Marines got wiped out with a Dreadnought and one Battle Brother left standing.
I could complain about tactics but that never seems to work with star wars and 40k stories, even though it should count. All we see a a straight up firefight that would theoretically never happen for both sides.
@@EthosO76 Well, the Jedi in The Old Republic, Like Revan and the Jedi you play as in TOR. Those did pretty well. Its after that timeframe that everything went to hell.
Thats boring. Its a lot more interesting to see Space Marines actually acting like, oh, I don't know, MARINES?!! God, you people seem to forget what "Marine" even means!
@@maxthereapernephilim2416 Okay, we get to see them drop pod out of their ship and then sprint out with their chain swords. The drop pod itself would probably take care of most of the clones.
The one tank that was equipped to deal with it was targeting troopers instead until it was defeated. The dreadnaut had to slowly take it down. Walkers are almost as tough as a hellhound titan on paper. Of course much much worse but it’s the closest thing.
@@Darkpara1 Nah, the blasters the Clones are using are way more powerful than a standard mass produced lasgun. Now, the FULL POWER lasguns that require backpack power units and haven't been nerfed for mass production? Different story.
Astares going prone is the funniest thing I've seen so far. Like "oooh a slight precipitation let me, guess what brudders, let me get into my gimp suit"
if everything was acting how it would in an actual battle, the vehicle one would be done so fast. pretty sure that heavy plasma on the dread takes out every single vehicle in 1-2 shots lol
No most weapons are plasma based in starwars even lightsabers are plasma the armor of clones is designed to warm the heat of plasma to block plasma bolts
You cant find a behicle in starwsrs that osnt residtent to plasma Your bolter is better use. Starwsrs doesbt have very good balistics resistences in its behicles and troops
Blasters convert energy dense gass into beams of plasma that burn throug enemy flesh yhats how star wars guns work Plasma is what every armor and tabk in star wars is designed to block your better of pushinh them over as a drwanaught than shooting a heavy plasma at a star wars vehicle
Yeah, Star Wars tech is a little weird. Everything is super energy and plasma resistant, but they have fairly limited resistance to kinetic damage. Honestly, the Dreadnought is realistically putting itself at bigger risk trying to use plasma than it gains from shooting it at a Star Wars vehicle
Considering they both fire what is effectively plasma (which would be the same temperature) of what looks like the same size that should be interesting.
So if the math checks out, since 300 Clone Troopers with standard-issue Phase II Armor and DC-15 Blaster Rifles (decent, but not particularly powerful) managed to take down 5 Blood Ravens Astartes in Mk VII Aquila Armor (pretty standard for Loyalist Chapters), that means that 60 Clones should be able to take down 1 Space Marine. Admittedly, four of the five Astartes to be slain were armed with Plasma Guns, so I'm not sure if that means that those weapons are a liability, or if they were so dangerous that the Clone AI _deliberately_ targeted them over their Battle Brothers. Lore-wise, that's a pretty fair ratio. Imperial Guardsmen with standard armaments wouldn't likely do any better, and probably would do _considerably worse_ in the same scenario.
@@glasius22 The empire‘s storm troopers in the old pre disney lore were and outside of the Classic Trilogy, where they deliberately are depicted weaker against the heroes, and on top of that had the more difficult task not to kill them outright and fought two of the potentially most powerful force sensitive that ever lived, a centuries old wookie warrior and a guy with a lot of luck and natural gunslinging talent, and a horde of aliens that prepared and fought on their home planet, ambushing small number in masses. In lore they were at the level of guardsmen, while 501st Clone Storm trooper at their peek were only weaker than SMs, but even then with their plasma weapons, good tactical environment and distance could take do. much better than what is depicted in this video, where you see only one type of phase I trooper with standard gear fight SMs.
Jedi dont make good generals. Most of them are given top positions because they can use the force. Some of them are able to fit into their roles after some time, but others are just plain useless making tactically unsound strategies
@@akincistrength1963 Kenobi and Plo Koon were the only good "generals" IMHO. The rest were just "hero units" there to bolster morale and deal with heavy hitters like Droidekas. SW has zero chance against 40k. At best a Jedi or sith is gonna kill a handful of Marines before it goes badly for them. Imagine trying to deflect a .75 cal exploding rocket. Lol
@@stillcantbesilencedevennow a single marine would be almost too much to even flee in my opinion, i mean, general grievous is ALMOST as competent as a single Astartes and let's not even include a primaris marine in the ecuation, a jedi wouldn't stand a chance if they have to stay still to cut through doors, a marine armor would take at least a few seconds of contact
@@EthosO76 yeah, best bet would be using a force power, in a DARK way. Attempt to stop the two hearts or something maybe. SW would certainly have to shed their pg-13 rating to EVER stand a chance
@@lowfpsman well no they do and have been shown to have kinetic force behind them. Sniper rifles blaster are always shown to knock someone back when they hit. But for the level of fire that would stop with sheer force, they would have already hit a vital multiple times by probability. This is actually a tactic in the guard if they encounter a traitor space marine. They are literally told to line up in two rows 2x5 (if they have time) like a fuckin musket firing line and then fucking fire everything at vitals. Hoping for the best because your already dead if it’s not a Khorn berserker because they would have popped you like a grape with a bolter.
It is stated that 1 Astartes is equal to 100 guardsman. It would take 1000 guardsman to take on those 10 Astartes. After this battle ended there was 5 Astartes left. Meaning 300 clone troopers equals 5 Astartes. 600 clone troopers would be needed to defeated 10 Astartes. This means one clone trooper is 40% more effective in combat than one standard guardsman. It would take 60 clone troopers to take down 1 Space Marine
Pretty unrealistic if youve ever read Warhammer 40k books. These guys cut through basic troops like butter. They were literally bioengineered to take over galaxies and fight demons of the void.
Blasters are fully automatic Plasma Rifles that don't blow up, and Clones have access to some truly insane gear. I firmly believe a Clone Commando can easily 1v1 most marines. Remember, for all their awesomeness, Space Marines die from massed Lasgun fire, and Lasguns are lasers, a weapon so primitive in Star Wars as to be considered the equivalent of taking a bow and arrow to a tank battle.
@@Princess_Celestia_ True- and a damn good one. But he's a mortal human. No augmentation, no genetic engineering, and no power armor. He's highly skilled but still just a human- which makes his feats that much more badass.
I feel like this is basically the equivalent of Space Marines vs Tau Firecast - advanced tech with soldiers loyal to a cause but ultimately get killed by a single shot from...anything
This is actually a suboptimal load out for the squad. Bolters one shot anyway so the slower plasma guns have no benefit(not that they could take that many special weapons to begin with). They also didn’t bring a heavy weapon. 40k really is in a class of its own.
Honestly, Plasma against Star Wars is a bad move. EVERYTHING in Star Wars has good energy protection, far better energy protection than ballistics, explosives, or other kinetics. This is especially true of the vehicles, all the Plasma Gun and Cannon are doing is putting the bearer at risk for no benefit. What the Space Marines should be using are missile launchers and Storm Bolters.
Odd behaviour for a Dreadnaught with a power fist. I'd have expected it to go straight into melee. I'd also have given it a melta and/or heavy flamer. If you are going for close combat, go whole hog. Alternately, for raged support, a missile launcher in place of the power fist.
According to the records Thunder Warriors were way stronger than the Astartes, even if they were too unstable to be kept after the Unification. This battle is just a kid friendly reenactment compared to what probably happened.
That's an inaccurate representation of the Bolter, which I assume is an engine limitation, because a bolt's pressure wave would mince the internal organs of the trooper stood next to one that was hit. It's why the Bolter is the best weapon against Orks. It would be like standing next to an Artillery going off, the overpressure would kill you. Also, due to the nature of Ceramite, lasers cannot penetrate the plate unless it's a hotshot, so unless those dead Astartes were unlucky enough to be shot in the joints, there should be zero casualties by them.
I get it, it's just to test gear vs gear. But the astartes would absolutely massacre clone troops. Especially if they're librarians. That'd be like roided up jedi with anger management issues wearing tank armor going up against rank and file. Would be interesting to see guardsmen regiments vs. clone troops though.
Even a hundred clones would be able to kill a single Astartes. While the blasters wouldn't be able to pierce their armor anytime soon, the sheer amount of heat from that many clones shooting him all at once would boil the Astartes alive inside his own armor. And that's assuming the clones don't have PLX rocket launchers or anti armor squads.
@@wuguxiandi9413 Well, 40K starships have voud shields, which are at least a similar enough concept to suggest Tyranids can deal with them. Or just get some Genestealers on board and steal Darth Vader's jeans
That last clone at the end is true Guardsman material. He watched that Dreadnaught destroy all their heavy-armor and blast his brothers to pieces at point blank range and he still dared to kick it. Bravo!
Canonically the clones should win, unlike the lasergun of the empire of humanity the Dc-15A of the clones do not shoot laser, they shoot PLASMA, which in Warhammer 40k Canonically is enough 1 single plasma shot to completely pierce the espace marine armor
Bro, wh40k plasma isn't = plasma from SW. Astartes and Chaos marines use plasma guns which hit 100+ mln ° fireballs. Like small supernovas. SW rifles = 40k lasguns.
@@IronGamingChannel In the Star Wars guides it is clarified that the temperature reached by a blaster shot is as hot as a star, a temperature very similar to the plasma of 40k, In 40k 1 only plasma weapon is enough to kill a Space marine, and in Star Wars 1 blaster shoots just as hot as a 40k plasma gun since in fact both shoot plasma, A highly concentrated Space Marine can dodge the shot of a bolter traveling to 777 m/s, Star Wars guides state that a blaster's shot travels at least 1715 m/s so you couldn't even dodge it, And in this versus they face 30 to 1 with weapons that of 1 single shot can kill them and also can not dodge, unless the Astartes have a Deus Ex Machina in the backpack they can not win
1000 Space Marines vs Darth Vader = Very dead Space Marines. Space Marines: “You are surrounded!” Darth Vader: “All I am surrounded by is fear. And dead men.” Emperor Palpatine: "Ironic."
clone troopers are basically just guardsmen lmfao and we all know 1 marine could probably take on a small army of guardsmen himself if given the right equipment so this isn't shocking
Not to mention tactics on both sides. Or even any common sense. Like the vehicle that drove right to the dreds barrel instead of using its higher mobility and speed to outmaneuver him. But well, the future will bring better simulators.
This is like watching those crazy battles in Relics of War, when you have the Space Marines fighting against the Imperium. They literally just wade right through them with pretty much zero issues.
@@Anon33467 Yeah, causual response. Most WH fans doing these comparisons, use the best performances of SMs that are not the norm against the worst of the clones or imps in SW. I mean WH is ridiculous in its power scaling , but still the fans normally completely downplay or outright ignore mich from SW lore, most of these vids are also done by WH fans than SW fans that know more about the old Legends lore. Some of the weapons alone that the clones uses such as the DC15A could at highest settings take out a SM in two shots. Clones were also not Stormtrooper grunts from the classic movies, that were for plot and style reasons depicted as less competent against the heros, who consisted of two force senstives with enhanced skills, who became the most powerful ones that lived, a centuries old warrior alien and a lucky guy with one of the best gunslinging skills in the galaxy. Soldiers jobs is also far more than just shooting in short skirmishes, what makes a frontline trooper is his long term endurance on the field, in a actual wars with advanced war machinery most of the killing is done by artillery, and bombs, not infantry fire fights. Even the clones are depicted less effective in the movies than they really were again to create more drama, in SW the depictions of trooper ing general is less than suggested according to the rules in lore and by conclusion, only if the troops are main characters then it‘s different slightly. If you knew some of the feats of Jedi masters during order 66 and wartime jedi in general, you would know they are far more effective than average space marines, yet veteran clones even in the movies take down those Jedi masters in small platoons or even squads. It wouldn‘t be too different with the SM. It This simulations and comparisons also hardly take into account surroundings and environments and tactics, it‘s just putting a bunch of less durable troops in big crowd where they can be hit easily. In actual scenario, those SMs would be mostly bigger targets against clones. SMs modifications are mostly those that make them physically stronger and more durable, without the heavy armor slowing them, but in a ranged battle they wouldn’t do by far as well as in that video, all which is more effective in melee than ranged combat. Unlike the SMs who who used not just they standard weapons, the clones only their standard DC15s to fight with, which then again was nerfed for some reason. In terms of reflexes, precision and discipline the differences are rather less significant. Clones too are to an extent genetically modified from birth. If the SM would close in for melee, the more obstacles there were on the SMs way and the more cover for the clones, and the farer the distances, the more likely they clones would be to take out the SM, in the time the SM uses to close in. if the clones were well scattered across the field then it would take many time more time, so closing in for melee shouldn’t been an option for the SM in more problematic fields, only for small area fights. but even then one heavy weapons expert or gunner could be enough to significantly slow down the SM or even cripple and take him down. Even with the SMs superior running speed melee, where the SM main advantage lies in, would be a bad idea in more conventional fights, against enemies with powerful ranged weapons. The optimal environment for a regular SM would be a field denser troop formations. But one argue that since the those clones in the video wore phase I armor, that they might have been freshly graduated and highly trained first generation Kamino Clones, who had non real battle experience, so they would perform worse against an opponent that is already superior and still has more effective fire power against the clones. So those number would make more sense, but even than half of the SMs still standing is ridiculous, should be one, two at most, considering how the field and positioning was not really in favor of the clones. In that last fight with tanks, they should have won, with the fire power of the AT AP walker‘s main turret, and the speed and versatility of the IFTX tank, that didn’t even moved to used its‘s speed advantage and while that Imperium tank could charge into the formations of clones to disrupt it.
@@SpecForceMarine Actually none of the Space Marines were killed in the first 2 fights. The plasma guys killed themselves when their weapons blew up. If they also had bolters, it would be all 10 SM still standing.
U feel like as soon as a single space marine is infected it’s an uphill battle for the imperium… obvs the simulation would cause the space marines to win, but considering space marines use a majority of ballistic-based rounds, to which the flood are resistant to, and favour close quarters, the flood definitely have the upper hand. Ofc the space marines have plasma weapons but they’re not fast firing and common among space marines like the covenant. In halo, the unsc never actually defeat the flood in practical means, the imperium being comparable in the use of ballistic weaponry
See, This is Really Nice, because it Shows that same Level of Strength the Clones had that led to them Killing so many Jedi, but it also Shows just what a Group of Astartes can do to the Clone Super Soldiers... Everything is Accurate with these battles, with the Exception of a Dunderheaded Dreadnought. Bravo!
Босс, здравствуйте. Спасибо вам большое за данный выпуск. Сквига-лайк поставил. Честно говоря, мне очень жаль Клонов. Да, я прекрасно понимаю что это так называемые пиксели и всё такое, но... мне всё равно их жаль. Чего, почему-то, нельзя сказать о Космодесантниках...
the only problem with that is the sheer volume of rounds being pumped into them, then again its possible that blaster fire cant even scratch space marine armor, basically it does nothing or it melts em with little in-between
Which would probably be literally a few seconds before the Clone formations are broken and everything devolves into a bloody massacre as the Marines rip and tear.
Раунд один: Потери клонов: 300 пехотинцев Потери космодесанта: 5 тактических десантников Раунд два: Потери клонов: 300 пехотинцев Потери космодесанта: 5 тактических десантников Раунд 3: Потери клонов: 300 пехотинцев, 1 TX-130T Сабля, 1 AT-AP, 1 UT-AP Потери космодесанта: 9 тактических десантников, 1 танк хищник, 1 Ленд-Рейдер. Если я все правильно посчитал... Забавно, что дредноут оказался живучее Ленд-Рейдера. Как на счёт: сколько потребуется АТ-ТЕ, чтобы уничтожить МОЩЬ ОДИННАДЦАТИ СТВОЛОВ(baneblade)
In a situation like this. The astartes would charge into melee, where they could truly use their superiority to it's full extent, while also making it harder for the enemy to target them without risking friendly fire.
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Do people not know that stormtroopers or clone blasters uses plasma? I mean plasma is something that can decimate space marines or anyone highly armoured. And these aren’t 40k plasma weaponry these are rapid plasma bolts. That space marine should be death with the first headshot or one or two shots to the chest.
Seeing as how in the first parts it seemed like only the Space Marines with plasma guns died I’m curious if most of them blew themselves up rather than dying to the clones
It's the later, they blew up themselves
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12:07 Space Marine: "Brother, stop playing with your prey!"
Dreadnought: "Oh come on, let me have my fun! I needed this after you woke me up from my slumber!"
That marine couldn't hit him for the past 2 min.
@@tarektechmarine8209 he was letting his brother play, literally went afk for most of the fight lol
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Dreadnaught was hard BM'ing
Such ancient wisdom brother!
I think the AI getting reworked to have WH40K troops favour melee at times would make sense. I mean without assault troopers here staying at range is fine I guess. But can you imagine 1000 clones vs 10 tactical squad and 5 assault marines? It'd be pure carnage.
That's a bunch a ded clones. 😆
The whole thin is a buffed soldier vs a slightly buffed soldier. Otherwise the first clip would be a minute or two and the second clip even lower than that. A land raider with two double plasma guns and a heavy devestator as the coaxial and somehow the dudues running plastic armor aren't dead in the first 10 seconds?
At this range, tac marines can sprint it in seconds going melee combat making it hard for the clones to shoot over friendlies but their guns would have shred through multiple clones anyways, they've fought stronger, deadlier & greener foe
@@NowStalkingYourMom Wepaons that can solidly kill a space marine: Assault cannon(1-4 shots), T-21(10-15 shots), medium repeating blasters(5-10 shots), E-web(1-3 shots), DF-9 laser turrets(1-2 shots), FD-P tower(1 shot), Disruptor rifle(1 shot), Proton torepedo(1 shot), Proton rifles(1-15 shots), Reciprocating quad blasters(3-5 shots), Westar M5(1-2 shots)
@@GenJuhru Galactic Republic navy: 400,000-2,000,000+ warships made from Venator star destroyers(1,137m), Arquitens light cruisers(325m), Acclamator assault ships/Mark II cruisers(752), victory class star destroyers(900m), Consular light assault cruisers(115m), mandators/Mark IIs(8km), and many planetary defense fleets.
Clone army: 25,000,000-13 billion
Non clone forces: 800,000,000-30 billion
Tanks/Repulsor craft/walkers: 12,000,000-670 million
Jedi: Around 10,000
Territory: 100,000-1,500,000 worlds/systems
Weapons/Armor: The phase I clone trooper armor was more of an environmental suit, which could only take light blaster shots, and shrapnel. It could not even protect against projectile weaponry. The phase II was stronger and more comfortable(If equal, or greater than stormtrooper armor, is strong enough to tank anything under a 20mm). Clone troopers typically carried two thermal detonators, two concussion grenades, and one electromagnetic pulse grenade. The DC-15S was capable of shooting the equivalent of a 14.5mm round of plasma. Is capable of penetrating through the bounty hunter dirge and his durasteel armor. The DC-15A is a more powerful rifle meant for piercing heavier armor, with a maximum range of 10km. Heavy weapons clones carried rotary blaster cannons, and rocket launchers. Their proton torpedo launchers were capable of destroying, or incapacitating two armored assault tanks without a direct hit in one shot. A paladin blaster rifle used by the senate guard put 3-5 inch deep holes the size of a human head in a marble or stone pillar. Other unit variants included scuba troopers, jet troopers, paratroopers, and scout troopers.
Kaminoan clones were grown and raised to be battle ready in ten years. They can be grown at a rate of 4 million per generation. Spaarti clones were made through arkanian, and cranscoc means. Spaarti clones could be grown in a single year, but were significantly inferior to kamino clones as they sometimes suffered from clone madness, and only had flash training(Bad aim). Another deference are the spaarti clone's lack of mandalorian culture.
Naval damage: Quad turbolasers dished out 200 megatons(AOTV cross section says 200 gigatons, but treat it as an outlier) per shot, while laser cannons 6 kilotons.
Vehicles: The AT-ET is armed with six heavy laser cannon turrets(grenade level), and a mass driver cannon. The RX-200 assault tank's long range ion cannons fried electrical systems, and were highly effective against deflector shields. Five Self propelled heavy artillery ion cannons were capable of downing a core ship. It's artillery shell variant was capable of leveling skyscrapers in a short time frame with multi kiloton ordinance. There were walkers such as the AT-RT, AT-AP, AT-XT, AT-OT, and an older AT-AT model. The HAVw A6 juggernaut was armed with a heavy laser cannon turret, rapid repeating laser cannon, medium anti personnel cannons, twin blaster cannons, and rocket/grenade launchers. Lastly was the TX-130 saber class fighter tank, and AV-7 anti-vehicle cannon.
Clone commandos are elite clone troopers specializing in operations behind enemy lines. Their katarn armor can take fire from magnetically accelerated projectile weapons, and comes with deflector shields. Their DC-17m blaster supplements the DC-15S but can be modified as a sniper rifle, or anti-armor rifle. They used a plethora of grenades, the DC-15s side arm blasters, accelerated charged particle weapons, recon droids, shotguns, saber darts, knuckle plated vibro blades, vibro daggers, and more. Though capable of successfully destroying, and sabotaging enemy factories, and strategic targets do not overestimate their abilities. Clone commandos while superior to normal clones are meant for team opts behind enemy lines. This is emphasized during the battle of geonosis, when nearly half of 10,000 commandos were killed on the frontlines. Again when clone commandos with basic gear were sent to reclaim a diplomatic gift, and suffered serious casualties against generic criminals.
Advanced recon commandos, or ARCs are elite frontline commandos. Alpha ARCs are a hundred genetically enhanced clones, trained by Jango fett. They are smarter, stronger, more creative and faster than any other clone on the battlefield. A whole squad of clone commandos would think twice before engaging a single alpha ARC. Eventually these alphas trained additional ARCs from the normal clone population. An ARC is on par if not superior to an individual clone commando. ARCs sometimes carry the WESTAR-M5 blaster. This blaster at full power can pierce an AAT's armor, and could attach an under barrel grenade launcher. Heavy gunner ARCs carry rotary blaster cannons, and reciprocating quad blasters, which were capable of destroying seperatist tanks.
Blaze troopers wore jet propelled heavy armor(Would need a 60mm round to fully penetrate), and utilized a flamethrower.
Not all jedi participated in the war, and their abilities widely varied in scale. A padawan can halt 4 heat seeking missiles, from a hail fire, or repel bullets with a concentrated force ball . A talented jedi knight pushed to the extreme can halt an entire venator star destroyer mid air(Yes it happened). Jedi can leap, and survive falls of over a 100 meters. Their reaction time can be subsonic to hypersonic. Their force enhanced strength can help them toss wampas(Luminara), lift and fight a muscular basilisk(Obi wan), destroy battle droids with their bare hands(Mace windu, Shon Ju, and Jun-Fan), survive being thrown through/at concrete/brick walls, or smash through force pushes with the same strength to lift stone/brick pillars(Anakin as a knight). Basic force abilities include telepathy, mind trick, force barrier, force repulse, limited precognition, force slam, force push, increased strength/durability, and force throw. Projectile weapons are a weakness, but mostly not because they lack the speed to deal with them. Explosive rounds, and shrapnel are the problem, though a skilled enough jedi knight can counter with the force.
Alternate title: How many clones will it take to kill a dreadnought?
The answer: no.
Half that number would crash the game servers.
Depends. Is it a Blood Angels Dreadnought with a brother Librarian internend within? Then: it would take orbital bombardment, Vader or even Palpatine himself for a chance at taking it. A 'normal' dread? Still unlikely;)
Doesn’t matter, they will miss every shot 😂😂
Nah. These are clone troopers, they can actually shoot straight. It’s the storm troopers that suck.
I like how Drednot knows Clone blasters cant hurt him, so he just enjoys being in the field again.
After his long slumber.
Space Marines in their Universe: Pretty damn good and scary but still baby toys
Space Marines in other Universes: Holy fucking shit one guy just killed a entire empire
Until they wind up in the dragonball universe. It would be like muslims trying to start sh1t in Texas. Then they'll all submit to a new emperor. The good news is all their enemies will be wiped from existence. At least humanity will get to absorb all the necron technology
After defeating the clones, the Blood Ravens "borrowed" several AT-TE walkers and LAAT gunships from the Grand Army of the Republic. For the Emperor!
Imagine Cawl reverse engineering an STC for those? Lol
@Bigdaddy Bigfoot I came here to do two things: purge heretics and steal your property! And guess what? I already stole your property!
This is true, I was there.
@@typicalbloodraven5529 Well "liberated" brother! Well liberated.
As presents for the imperial navy in orbit for the guardsmen to use in their occupation of the planet.
Honestly the most unrealistic parts were the Space Marines going prone and the AT-AP not dropping its third leg and using its heavy cannon on the enemies.
Not really. By going prone, they reduce the amount of areas the clones can hit and put their shoulder pads forward, this is actually pretty good as if they were standing tall, they'd be dead a lot faster. By going prone, they reduce the amount of spots the clones can hit and force them to shoot the most armoured parts of their body.
@@starhammer5247 Yeah, but this is space marine armor. It doesn't matter.
@@farkasmactavish Actually, it does. Even if Blasters don't look impressive, in lore, Blasters can punch through steel with ease. Even if they're on the level of a lasgun, which would be weaker, it would still fuck up the Astartes. Astartes power armour, despite what everyone says, is NOT invincible. Not even fucking close.
@@starhammer5247 even then, taking cover is basic firearm combat 101 and if you have no cover, make yourself a smaller target
@@scorpion40k It's common sense. Only an idiot would stand tall when in a firefight. This tracks with some of the scenes in the video as the Astartes that didn't go prone died the fastest.
12:16 The Chapter Master ain't gonna be happy when he finds out an entire small company of Space Marines got wiped out with a Dreadnought and one Battle Brother left standing.
I could complain about tactics but that never seems to work with star wars and 40k stories, even though it should count. All we see a a straight up firefight that would theoretically never happen for both sides.
@@tarektechmarine8209 it happens a lot in star wars. jedi aren't generals.
@@EthosO76 Well, the Jedi in The Old Republic, Like Revan and the Jedi you play as in TOR. Those did pretty well. Its after that timeframe that everything went to hell.
@@ZHBraden13 didn't play TOR so i will assume u're right :x
You’re right: they should have all died for the Emperor rather than live for themselves.
For the next one, how about the Space Marines get chain swords and move as fast as they do in the lore. That should be fun to watch, although brief.
Thats boring. Its a lot more interesting to see Space Marines actually acting like, oh, I don't know, MARINES?!! God, you people seem to forget what "Marine" even means!
@@maxthereapernephilim2416 Okay, we get to see them drop pod out of their ship and then sprint out with their chain swords. The drop pod itself would probably take care of most of the clones.
@@maxthereapernephilim2416 what is a marine
@maxthereapernephilim2416 this is quite the L by you brother
if they're going to do that they may as well include a Jedi General to lead the Clones
I'm surprised the AT-AP survived as long as it did.
FOR THE REPUBLIC
The one tank that was equipped to deal with it was targeting troopers instead until it was defeated. The dreadnaut had to slowly take it down. Walkers are almost as tough as a hellhound titan on paper. Of course much much worse but it’s the closest thing.
Makes sense star wars behicles are plasma resistent
@@Nero180 For the emperor!
@@KarosRose battlefront 2 (2005) clone trooper : super battle droids arghhhhhhh
5:12 Amazing, it took 300 Clone Troopers to kill 5 Space Marines out of 10 man squad in the end.
Pretty good odds honestly.
I doubt they could even do that really. I don't think star wars blasters are even at lasgun level for damage.
@@Darkpara1 Nah, the blasters the Clones are using are way more powerful than a standard mass produced lasgun. Now, the FULL POWER lasguns that require backpack power units and haven't been nerfed for mass production? Different story.
@@Darkpara1 Wepaons that can solidly kill a space marine: Assault cannon(1-4 shots), T-21(10-15 shots), medium repeating blasters(5-10 shots), E-web(1-3 shots), DF-9 laser turrets(1-2 shots), FD-P tower(1 shot), Disruptor rifle(1 shot), Proton torepedo(1 shot), Proton rifles(1-15 shots), Reciprocating quad blasters(3-5 shots), Westar M5(1-2 shots)
It's already amazing that they even managed to hit anything, let alone kill xD
When a Dreadnought goes for a walk, he asked the Clone Troopers how's their health plan.
Apparently it was great.
Is the dread named Alucard?
5:31 I hope we get to see these three legged Clone Walkers in action in future videos.
The AT-AP is just a more accurate artilery version of AT-TE tbh i belive AT-TE's are cooler and have more firepower
Astares going prone is the funniest thing I've seen so far. Like "oooh a slight precipitation let me, guess what brudders, let me get into my gimp suit"
FOR THE EMPEROR
FOR THE REPUBLIC!
@@supergold3080 heresy
@@supergold3080 what republic?
Which one
@@supergold3080 Yes, commissar! This one right here!
if everything was acting how it would in an actual battle, the vehicle one would be done so fast. pretty sure that heavy plasma on the dread takes out every single vehicle in 1-2 shots lol
No most weapons are plasma based in starwars even lightsabers are plasma the armor of clones is designed to warm the heat of plasma to block plasma bolts
You cant find a behicle in starwsrs that osnt residtent to plasma
Your bolter is better use. Starwsrs doesbt have very good balistics resistences in its behicles and troops
Blasters convert energy dense gass into beams of plasma that burn throug enemy flesh yhats how star wars guns work
Plasma is what every armor and tabk in star wars is designed to block
your better of pushinh them over as a drwanaught than shooting a heavy plasma at a star wars vehicle
No, but the twin linked lascannons should.
Yeah, Star Wars tech is a little weird.
Everything is super energy and plasma resistant, but they have fairly limited resistance to kinetic damage.
Honestly, the Dreadnought is realistically putting itself at bigger risk trying to use plasma than it gains from shooting it at a Star Wars vehicle
Dreadnought: “THE WALKER CHALLENGES ME. I ACCEPT.”
I see the clones used the guardsmen standar attack formation , if 1 laser gun isnt enough put 10 more if 10 isnt enough put 100
I love how there is 3 space marine getting actively welded in their suit while the other just lay there calmly
I kind of want to see an equal number of Tau Fire Warriors and Clone Troopers go up against each other.
That's much more fair
@@samuraitadpole5459Nah, Tau stomp.
Considering they both fire what is effectively plasma (which would be the same temperature) of what looks like the same size that should be interesting.
@@mememe5610Tau range is absurd though, I’m assuming the AI in this isn’t smart enough to skirmish but the Tau should absolutely flatten them
@@mememe5610 imagine getting sniped from someone on the horizon
So if the math checks out, since 300 Clone Troopers with standard-issue Phase II Armor and DC-15 Blaster Rifles (decent, but not particularly powerful) managed to take down 5 Blood Ravens Astartes in Mk VII Aquila Armor (pretty standard for Loyalist Chapters), that means that 60 Clones should be able to take down 1 Space Marine. Admittedly, four of the five Astartes to be slain were armed with Plasma Guns, so I'm not sure if that means that those weapons are a liability, or if they were so dangerous that the Clone AI _deliberately_ targeted them over their Battle Brothers.
Lore-wise, that's a pretty fair ratio. Imperial Guardsmen with standard armaments wouldn't likely do any better, and probably would do _considerably worse_ in the same scenario.
Ehh, 40k and Star Wars both work on the same principle. Whoever has the most named characters on their side wins
@@PikachuLittle They are usually named characters because they kick serious ass or are good at surviving. That's kinda the point of telling a story.
@@inthefade
Ciaphas Cain: Hoh? Are you approaching me?
Jar Jar Binks: Meesa can't beetadashit outta you wizzout gettin closer!
Id argue the standard clone trooper is better than your average guardsmen.
@@phantomvideoproductions913 for sure, prolly worth 2 or 3 at least.
Seeing these clones being accurate and not missing on purpose is horrifying
They are clones, they are actually very competent troops unlike the Empire's Stormtroopers
@@glasius22 The empire‘s storm troopers in the old pre disney lore were and outside of the Classic Trilogy, where they deliberately are depicted weaker against the heroes, and on top of that had the more difficult task not to kill them outright and fought two of the potentially most powerful force sensitive that ever lived, a centuries old wookie warrior and a guy with a lot of luck and natural gunslinging talent, and a horde of aliens that prepared and fought on their home planet, ambushing small number in masses.
In lore they were at the level of guardsmen, while 501st Clone Storm trooper at their peek were only weaker than SMs, but even then with their plasma weapons, good tactical environment and distance could take do. much better than what is depicted in this video, where you see only one type of phase I trooper with standard gear fight SMs.
@@SpecForceMarine plenty of non SM units would wreak them.
Lemme guess, a Jedi made this brilliant tactical decision to attack power suit infantry with small arms instead of anti-armor...three times in a row?
Jedi dont make good generals. Most of them are given top positions because they can use the force. Some of them are able to fit into their roles after some time, but others are just plain useless making tactically unsound strategies
@@akincistrength1963 Kenobi and Plo Koon were the only good "generals" IMHO. The rest were just "hero units" there to bolster morale and deal with heavy hitters like Droidekas. SW has zero chance against 40k. At best a Jedi or sith is gonna kill a handful of Marines before it goes badly for them. Imagine trying to deflect a .75 cal exploding rocket. Lol
@@stillcantbesilencedevennow a single marine would be almost too much to even flee in my opinion, i mean, general grievous is ALMOST as competent as a single Astartes and let's not even include a primaris marine in the ecuation, a jedi wouldn't stand a chance if they have to stay still to cut through doors, a marine armor would take at least a few seconds of contact
@@EthosO76 yeah, best bet would be using a force power, in a DARK way. Attempt to stop the two hearts or something maybe. SW would certainly have to shed their pg-13 rating to EVER stand a chance
@@stillcantbesilencedevennow agreed
Can't space marines just dodge blasts and run into the clones for a glorious melee fight ?
right? Why didn't this happen?
@@ManchurianCounterweightbecause melee doesn't work well in Men at War from what I've seen.
They can even tank it, also blasters have 0 kinetic power so no knock back whatsoever
@@lowfpsman well no they do and have been shown to have kinetic force behind them. Sniper rifles blaster are always shown to knock someone back when they hit.
But for the level of fire that would stop with sheer force, they would have already hit a vital multiple times by probability. This is actually a tactic in the guard if they encounter a traitor space marine. They are literally told to line up in two rows 2x5 (if they have time) like a fuckin musket firing line and then fucking fire everything at vitals.
Hoping for the best because your already dead if it’s not a Khorn berserker because they would have popped you like a grape with a bolter.
Those are some bad casualties for the Imperium of Man in that second battle against a lesser foe. Tanks being destroyed like that.
Well this looks like its gonna b. . .
(see's Blood Raven markings)
LOCK. EVERYTHING. DOWN!!!
SIR!
Yes, Private?
THE BOLTS ARE MISSING!
By the Emperor!
Sir, problem. Someone stole the keys to the locks....
WHERE ARE THE BOLTS AND KE-
*gets stolen*
Would have been cool to see the dread in close combat ripping apart the troopers with its claw
Ooh... The Space Marines are very affectionate with the Stormtroopes.... 😂🤣
BLOOD FOR THE EMPEROR, SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE!
This is why rejects count as expendable, in spite of their feats...
It is stated that 1 Astartes is equal to 100 guardsman. It would take 1000 guardsman to take on those 10 Astartes. After this battle ended there was 5 Astartes left. Meaning 300 clone troopers equals 5 Astartes. 600 clone troopers would be needed to defeated 10 Astartes. This means one clone trooper is 40% more effective in combat than one standard guardsman. It would take 60 clone troopers to take down 1 Space Marine
So, no heavy bolters to make the clones think they have a chance?
In the 40 millenia hope its dead
Pretty unrealistic if youve ever read Warhammer 40k books. These guys cut through basic troops like butter. They were literally bioengineered to take over galaxies and fight demons of the void.
MAKE MORE OF THESE VS MATCHES PLS?? I’M STARTING TO GET ADDICTED TO YOUR VIDS!
The Wilhelm Screams just make this more epic
7:25 The Clones had shot down a Dreadnought!
Were there two?
7:42 Comes back online not too much later.
Blasters are fully automatic Plasma Rifles that don't blow up, and Clones have access to some truly insane gear. I firmly believe a Clone Commando can easily 1v1 most marines. Remember, for all their awesomeness, Space Marines die from massed Lasgun fire, and Lasguns are lasers, a weapon so primitive in Star Wars as to be considered the equivalent of taking a bow and arrow to a tank battle.
If you are a standard trooper in any army, there's no way you're stopping a dreadnought, not unless your last name is Mkoll.
Well, Scout Sgt. Mkoll isn't exactly a standard trooper, now is he? He's a bloody Scout Sgt of a regiment of stealth experts.
@@Princess_Celestia_ True- and a damn good one. But he's a mortal human. No augmentation, no genetic engineering, and no power armor. He's highly skilled but still just a human- which makes his feats that much more badass.
That they could fell even a single marine is a testament to the clones.
I feel like this is basically the equivalent of Space Marines vs Tau Firecast - advanced tech with soldiers loyal to a cause but ultimately get killed by a single shot from...anything
A Tau Fire Warrior has a gun powerful enough to kill an Astartes in a single shot if he hits the right area.
Clones are closer to elite Guardsmen.
Kinda surprised at how many people don't know the difference between a clone and a stormtrooper.
This is actually a suboptimal load out for the squad. Bolters one shot anyway so the slower plasma guns have no benefit(not that they could take that many special weapons to begin with). They also didn’t bring a heavy weapon. 40k really is in a class of its own.
Veteran squads can bring that much plasma. Also, in the lore the Marines can grab whatever load out they need under certain circumstances.
To be fair the clones were handicapped just as well. They have anti armour squads that should easily be able to obliterate a space marine
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Low wolf: Forever knights(Ben 10), Hell bugs(Defiance)
Wepaons that can solidly kill a space marine: Assault cannon(1-4 shots), T-21(10-15 shots), medium repeating blasters(5-10 shots), E-web(1-3 shots), DF-9 laser turrets(1-2 shots), FD-P tower(1 shot), Disruptor rifle(1 shot), Proton torepedo(1 shot), Proton rifles(1-15 shots), Reciprocating quad blasters(3-5 shots), Westar M5(1-2 shots)
Honestly, Plasma against Star Wars is a bad move.
EVERYTHING in Star Wars has good energy protection, far better energy protection than ballistics, explosives, or other kinetics.
This is especially true of the vehicles, all the Plasma Gun and Cannon are doing is putting the bearer at risk for no benefit.
What the Space Marines should be using are missile launchers and Storm Bolters.
Odd behaviour for a Dreadnaught with a power fist. I'd have expected it to go straight into melee. I'd also have given it a melta and/or heavy flamer. If you are going for close combat, go whole hog. Alternately, for raged support, a missile launcher in place of the power fist.
Huh, so this is what the last army of Terra must have felt like against the Thunder Warriors
According to the records Thunder Warriors were way stronger than the Astartes, even if they were too unstable to be kept after the Unification. This battle is just a kid friendly reenactment compared to what probably happened.
That's an inaccurate representation of the Bolter, which I assume is an engine limitation, because a bolt's pressure wave would mince the internal organs of the trooper stood next to one that was hit. It's why the Bolter is the best weapon against Orks. It would be like standing next to an Artillery going off, the overpressure would kill you. Also, due to the nature of Ceramite, lasers cannot penetrate the plate unless it's a hotshot, so unless those dead Astartes were unlucky enough to be shot in the joints, there should be zero casualties by them.
Those dead Astartes were killed by their own plasma weapons.
Im nearly 100% sure that the space marines would have moved to melee range in true combat
Yeah... even just shooting their bolters they'd be in close to melee
Eyyy some blood ravens! You should use them more, I wanna see their Hellclad dreadnought in action (Its an Ironclad Dread but armed like a Hellfire)
1:02 Start of the First Battle
Fun, but I'm pretty sure standard MO would be the marines just wading into the middle of them with Chainswords a whirling and clone heads a spinning
I get it, it's just to test gear vs gear. But the astartes would absolutely massacre clone troops. Especially if they're librarians. That'd be like roided up jedi with anger management issues wearing tank armor going up against rank and file. Would be interesting to see guardsmen regiments vs. clone troops though.
I love how the land raider driver just slowly plows through 3 ranks of clones and casually lays down heavy fire.
I don't know a lot about 40k but from what i've heard one space marine would be enough for 300 clone troopers.
Even a hundred clones would be able to kill a single Astartes.
While the blasters wouldn't be able to pierce their armor anytime soon, the sheer amount of heat from that many clones shooting him all at once would boil the Astartes alive inside his own armor.
And that's assuming the clones don't have PLX rocket launchers or anti armor squads.
Astartes would absolutely ravage SW troopers. They're essentially slightly better armored Cadians.
Huge Star Wars fan, and even I know the Astartes would mop the floor with all of those clones before I even watched it lol
I love how the title is "can 300 clone troppers kill 10 Space Marines" and not the other way around
I wanna see the Deathstar vs a Tyranid hive fleet
Tyranids would just use every opening of the death star to enter it, after that, it will be a quick and painful death for the death star.
@@33482 Both times the death star was destroyed was due to the forcefield being deactivated.
Not sure how well Tyranids would do vs shields.
@@wuguxiandi9413
Well, 40K starships have voud shields, which are at least a similar enough concept to suggest Tyranids can deal with them.
Or just get some Genestealers on board and steal Darth Vader's jeans
That last clone at the end is true Guardsman material. He watched that Dreadnaught destroy all their heavy-armor and blast his brothers to pieces at point blank range and he still dared to kick it. Bravo!
Canonically the clones should win, unlike the lasergun of the empire of humanity the Dc-15A of the clones do not shoot laser, they shoot PLASMA, which in Warhammer 40k Canonically is enough 1 single plasma shot to completely pierce the espace marine armor
Bro, wh40k plasma isn't = plasma from SW. Astartes and Chaos marines use plasma guns which hit 100+ mln ° fireballs. Like small supernovas. SW rifles = 40k lasguns.
@@IronGamingChannel In the Star Wars guides it is clarified that the temperature reached by a blaster shot is as hot as a star, a temperature very similar to the plasma of 40k, In 40k 1 only plasma weapon is enough to kill a Space marine, and in Star Wars 1 blaster shoots just as hot as a 40k plasma gun since in fact both shoot plasma, A highly concentrated Space Marine can dodge the shot of a bolter traveling to 777 m/s, Star Wars guides state that a blaster's shot travels at least 1715 m/s so you couldn't even dodge it, And in this versus they face 30 to 1 with weapons that of 1 single shot can kill them and also can not dodge, unless the Astartes have a Deus Ex Machina in the backpack they can not win
Outside of grots, pretty much everything in the 40k universe is an absolute monster.
1000 Space Marines vs Darth Vader = Very dead Space Marines.
Space Marines: “You are surrounded!”
Darth Vader: “All I am surrounded by is fear. And dead men.”
Emperor Palpatine: "Ironic."
Oh lol
Remember, Vader has more plot armor than the Astartes
clone troopers are basically just guardsmen lmfao and we all know 1 marine could probably take on a small army of guardsmen himself if given the right equipment so this isn't shocking
Astartes should have superior reflexes, speed and tactics in comparison to clones. But here we see just models with different health.
Not to mention tactics on both sides. Or even any common sense. Like the vehicle that drove right to the dreds barrel instead of using its higher mobility and speed to outmaneuver him. But well, the future will bring better simulators.
This is like watching those crazy battles in Relics of War, when you have the Space Marines fighting against the Imperium. They literally just wade right through them with pretty much zero issues.
6:24 Start of the Second Battle
11:50 That moment, when you know everything seems lost, but victory depends on YOU. Brave guy !
I wonder how a regiment of cadia guardsmen would fair against a regiment of clone wars era clone troopers
Unfortunate that we will never see the cadians in action again...
@@neptunauto40 are yoy emplying cadia fell
@@the_gruesom4999 nonono cadians stand but the planet broke
I think these space marines woulda charged in and absolutely decimated the clones
I don't think even one SM would go down.
Dunno, they might get blinded by the flurry of shot and trip over.
300 clones wouldn't scratch the paint on the SMs armor.
@@Anon33467 Yeah, causual response. Most WH fans doing these comparisons, use the best performances of SMs that are not the norm against the worst of the clones or imps in SW. I mean WH is ridiculous in its power scaling , but still the fans normally completely downplay or outright ignore mich from SW lore, most of these vids are also done by WH fans than SW fans that know more about the old Legends lore.
Some of the weapons alone that the clones uses such as the DC15A could at highest settings take out a SM in two shots.
Clones were also not Stormtrooper grunts from the classic movies, that were for plot and style reasons depicted as less competent against the heros, who consisted of two force senstives with enhanced skills, who became the most powerful ones that lived, a centuries old warrior alien and a lucky guy with one of the best gunslinging skills in the galaxy.
Soldiers jobs is also far more than just shooting in short skirmishes, what makes a frontline trooper is his long term endurance on the field, in a actual wars with advanced war machinery most of the killing is done by artillery, and bombs, not infantry fire fights.
Even the clones are depicted less effective in the movies than they really were again to create more drama, in SW the depictions of trooper ing general is less than suggested according to the rules in lore and by conclusion, only if the troops are main characters then it‘s different slightly.
If you knew some of the feats of Jedi masters during order 66 and wartime jedi in general, you would know they are far more effective than average space marines, yet veteran clones even in the movies take down those Jedi masters in small platoons or even squads. It wouldn‘t be too different with the SM. It
This simulations and comparisons also hardly take into account surroundings and environments and tactics, it‘s just putting a bunch of less durable troops in big crowd where they can be hit easily. In actual scenario, those SMs would be mostly bigger targets against clones. SMs modifications are mostly those that make them physically stronger and more durable, without the heavy armor slowing them, but in a ranged battle they wouldn’t do by far as well as in that video, all which is more effective in melee than ranged combat. Unlike the SMs who who used not just they standard weapons, the clones only their standard DC15s to fight with, which then again was nerfed for some reason.
In terms of reflexes, precision and discipline the differences are rather less significant. Clones too are to an extent genetically modified from birth.
If the SM would close in for melee, the more obstacles there were on the SMs way and the more cover for the clones, and the farer the distances, the more likely they clones would be to take out the SM, in the time the SM uses to close in. if the clones were well scattered across the field then it would take many time more time, so closing in for melee shouldn’t been an option for the SM in more problematic fields, only for small area fights. but even then one heavy weapons expert or gunner could be enough to significantly slow down the SM or even cripple and take him down. Even with the SMs superior running speed melee, where the SM main advantage lies in, would be a bad idea in more conventional fights, against enemies with powerful ranged weapons.
The optimal environment for a regular SM would be a field denser troop formations.
But one argue that since the those clones in the video wore phase I armor, that they might have been freshly graduated and highly trained first generation Kamino Clones, who had non real battle experience, so they would perform worse against an opponent that is already superior and still has more effective fire power against the clones. So those number would make more sense, but even than half of the SMs still standing is ridiculous, should be one, two at most, considering how the field and positioning was not really in favor of the clones.
In that last fight with tanks, they should have won, with the fire power of the AT AP walker‘s main turret, and the speed and versatility of the IFTX tank, that didn’t even moved to used its‘s speed advantage and while that Imperium tank could charge into the formations of clones to disrupt it.
@@SpecForceMarine Actually none of the Space Marines were killed in the first 2 fights. The plasma guys killed themselves when their weapons blew up. If they also had bolters, it would be all 10 SM still standing.
Clone vehicles: Sit back and fire
Land raider: DRIVE ME CLOSER! I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD!
If only there was Halo mod with the Forerunners in it. That could have been great against Warhammer 40k.
U feel like as soon as a single space marine is infected it’s an uphill battle for the imperium… obvs the simulation would cause the space marines to win, but considering space marines use a majority of ballistic-based rounds, to which the flood are resistant to, and favour close quarters, the flood definitely have the upper hand. Ofc the space marines have plasma weapons but they’re not fast firing and common among space marines like the covenant. In halo, the unsc never actually defeat the flood in practical means, the imperium being comparable in the use of ballistic weaponry
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Uh, I don't get what you thought I meant.
@@thorshammer7883 lol replied to the wrong comment
See, This is Really Nice, because it Shows that same Level of Strength the Clones had that led to them Killing so many Jedi, but it also Shows just what a Group of Astartes can do to the Clone Super Soldiers... Everything is Accurate with these battles, with the Exception of a Dunderheaded Dreadnought. Bravo!
What's the fire rate of a bolter?
*how fast can you pull the trigger?*
Blood Ravens? My bois? THE EMPEROR IS GOOD! STEAL EVERYTHING NOT NAILED DOWN!
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Честно говоря, мне очень жаль Клонов. Да, я прекрасно понимаю что это так называемые пиксели и всё такое, но... мне всё равно их жаль. Чего, почему-то, нельзя сказать о Космодесантниках...
It's heresy to even think 1 space marine can only defeat 300 troopers
I don't think even having 1,000 clone troopers would be a fair fight against 10 of the emperor's Astartes
the only problem with that is the sheer volume of rounds being pumped into them, then again its possible that blaster fire cant even scratch space marine armor, basically it does nothing or it melts em with little in-between
Clone Troopers : FOR THE REPUBLIC!!!
Space Marines : FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
I can imagine this both getting yelled out loud during battle
I couldn't help but chuckle every time a clone trooper got turned into an explosion of blood.
Space marines:"This is in no way a fair fight,,,for YOU."
Unfortunately for the clone troopers, nothing can cut through a space marine’s plot armor.
TFW you're a Guardsman fighting alongside the blood angels and the marine next to you starts calling you Horus...
Clone trooper strategy. Mass produced numbers and get as many guys shooting as possible.
Space marines strategy: Be really big.
1 spacemarine would beat a whole battalion and Wouldn't even sweat
That the stormtroops manage to kill some space Marines is unbelivable
These are not Stormtroopers, they are Clone troopers.
There is a world of difference between the two.
I'm thinking the marines would've kept a steady advance, maintaining bolter fire until they got into melee.
Which would probably be literally a few seconds before the Clone formations are broken and everything devolves into a bloody massacre as the Marines rip and tear.
300 space Troopers? No!! But 300 of those armoured droids might do something ...
I liked the bit when the tank casually swashed the enemies under it's tracks.
Раунд один:
Потери клонов: 300 пехотинцев
Потери космодесанта: 5 тактических десантников
Раунд два:
Потери клонов: 300 пехотинцев
Потери космодесанта: 5 тактических десантников
Раунд 3:
Потери клонов: 300 пехотинцев, 1 TX-130T Сабля, 1 AT-AP, 1 UT-AP
Потери космодесанта: 9 тактических десантников, 1 танк хищник, 1 Ленд-Рейдер.
Если я все правильно посчитал...
Забавно, что дредноут оказался живучее Ленд-Рейдера.
Как на счёт: сколько потребуется АТ-ТЕ, чтобы уничтожить МОЩЬ ОДИННАДЦАТИ СТВОЛОВ(baneblade)
Dreadnaught needs to learn that his melee weapon is terrifying and will demolish anything.
In a situation like this. The astartes would charge into melee, where they could truly use their superiority to it's full extent, while also making it harder for the enemy to target them without risking friendly fire.
0:28 "I TOLD you we should bring the heavy flamer!"
I simply LOVE that plasma gun hits are just erasing the clones lol
Angry Marines vs 1000 storm troopers
The marines would have just ignored those clone troopers silly flash lights and just waded in with chainswords
THE "WILHELM" SCREAMING WAS EFFING HILARIOUS 😂 😃 😄
I just love how space marines can just eat an endless amount of firepower.
Everyone screams "For the Emperor!!" simultaneously
Let's be honest. 1 space marine would kill 100 clones. It's not even a contest.
Space marine: -These f**s truing to blind me with their flashlights.