Church History, Part 2: AD400 to AD1400 - David Pawson
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2016
- Part 2 of the series Church History
This is an intensely listenable look at the the Christian Church down the ages, providing powerful messages for our own times. Many church members know little or nothing about the story of Christianity between the New Testament period and today. They therefore may not realise how much they have been influenced by traditions developed during that time. These can have both a negative and positive benefit. Negative, because ‘those who forget history are condemned to relive it’. Most of the mistakes we make and errors we fall into have happened before and we can learn from our forefathers to avoid them. Positive, because we have such a rich heritage it would be folly to ignore. We can draw inspiration and examples from the spiritual giants who went before us and, after all, we can look forward to meeting them personally in glory.
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Thank you for posting. This truly explains a lot of my questions, I now renounce Catholic practice and truly believe that Jesus Christ is the head of church.
Wonderful to hear. Pray. Read the book of John and find a church that loves the bible. The Lord will guide you.
You renounce your salvation?
I am so blessed to have found these messages of the history of the church ty brother pawson for a so much needed teaching you are a blessing to the church.
This man is sent from God.
Wow, I just discovered that this talk is 50 years old! And this year is 500th Anniversary of the Reformation. 31 October - NOT Halloween, but Reformation Day to me.
Thank you for posting this massage
please post the next part also
44:50. The errors spread about the Inquisition are similar to the errors spread about the concentration camps in Germany during WW2.
I would have loved to have asked Pawson if the Jewish faith in the OT was still the means to salvation even in the midst of the corruption and scandals committed by many Jewish leaders?
This video by a young Pawson sounds like a Jack Chic tract.
36:00 The Bogomils (10th century) were dualists or Gnostics in that they believed in a world within the body and a world outside the body. They did not use the Christian cross, nor build churches, as they revered their gifted form and considered their body to be the temple. This gave rise to many forms of practice to cleanse oneself through fasting or dancing.
The Bogomils rejected the ecclesiastical hierarchy. Their primary political tendencies were resistance to the state and church authorities. This helped the movement spread quickly in the Balkans, gradually expanding throughout the Byzantine Empire and later reaching Kievan Rus', Dalmatia, Serbia, Italy, and France (Cathars)
The parallels between the Jews on the Old Testament and the Catholics after the New Testament is remarkable. God wanted the Jews to be a shining light to the world to lead other people to Him. God wanted the Christians (aka Catholics) to do the same by bringing the message of the gospel. God used prophets in the Old Testament and saints in the New Testament to try to warn the leaders. He used the Philistines to punish the Jews and Muslims and later Protestants to punish the Catholics.
This is a great talk. But the group called the Waldensians was not so orthodox in their beliefs. It was a mixture of Christianity and gnosticism. The same is true of the Albigenses and the Cathars. Of course, that does not by any means justify the Roman Catholic religion's persecution of these groups.
He gives a good outline of the history of the church, however, he fails to recognize that the groups he traces and acknowledges that they were following scripture had many things in common that he himself would deny. For instance, in the first recording he claimed that the church went out of existence when they began to pervert the "sacrament " of baptism. However, the groups he mentions as carrying Christianity, including Wickliffe and the Waldensians and Lollards, who were teaching long before Wickliffe, held to adult believers baptism for the remission of sin. They denied infant baptism and original sin as taught by Augustine. They were autonomous congregations with a plurality of elders. These groups were called by derogatory names by their enemies but they identified themselves as Christian's and members of the church of Christ. Today, the churches of Christ continue the restoration plea and follow the New Testament as Christ directs. Please consider that it was the doctrine of Christ that was being taught through the ages by the churches of Christ which is substantiated by historical writings themselves. The church was never overcome by Satan and has always stood through time within the churches of Christ. Please consider Keith Sisman's book "Traces of the Kingdom" in which he documents the beliefs and teachings. You will find that while this recording is consistent with a reformational history telling, the true history of the church lies far from the reformation movement and with the church of Christ throughout all the ages. Again, the true church maintained a commitment to salvation through repentance and immersion in the name of Christ for the remission of sin as taught by the Apostles and Peter's words recorded in Act 2:28. It was not until the reformation that the idea of God choosing individuals to save outside what the word of God had decreed. Thus, there cannot be a rendition of history that superimposes Calvinism before Calvin's time. Adult baptism or any forms of pagan baptisms later adopted by the Catholics were never considered anything but the way sins were removed. All were in agreement that immersion was necessary for salvation. It was not until Luther , who taught Faith only, followed by Calvin, who taught Grace only, that conflict arose regarding salvation by immersion. This conflict birthed the Calvinists and Baptists out of the church of Christ which had taught adult baptism for the remission of sin. Baptist would hold to adult baptism but adopt salvation by Calvinistic means.
When David was alive, he would call out his own ministry...of course he knew that people in all forms of the early church were sinners...if you watched all his videos, you would know this instead of basing your comment on one taping.
Please use paragraph breaks, would make it easier to read what you're saying.
imagine getting to heaven, and arguing with somebody that they shouldn't be there because they were Catholic, Calvinist, Adventist etc... it's like God doesn't consult us or something, when He saves someone from themselves, and doesn't ask for advice when moving according to His Will and Desire for us...
Is there text available about all these talks?
Yes there is... as a book: "Where has the Body been for 2000 years?: Church History for beginners" by David Pawson, ISBN-13 : 978-0956937674
Jaques Ellul says that the idea of " holy war" came to Crusades under Islam influence.
The only problem with this video is that it is not supported by the primary sources of the writers of the time.
The New Testament is an official list of holy books declared as such by the HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH in the first place! There's no pont in keeping on simply stating "the New Testament teaches, the New Testament church" etc when the very definition that you hang so much upon is a gift from the Catholic Church. The Council of Carthage in 397 officially defined the list of books we now call the New Testament. A Catholic council, organised by a Catholic Pope to list the holy books of the Catholic Church. I really respect Davis Pawson, but he is wrong on this my friends
If you will listen to him with an open mind and do your own research I think you'll find out he isn't wrong. If he is indeed wrong, please make a list of points that he is mistaken about along with an explanation of why he is wrong. I would be interested to see why you hold this point of view.
+Joseph Hartwell - the books of the New Testament were well established LONG before the Council of Carthage. It was simply affirmed there. And at the time of the Council of Carthage the Roman Catholic Church did not even exist!
Scripture has confirmed and affirmed itself. Because it is God-breathed.
You are deceived ask God to open your eyes and He will. Stop praying to dead ppl and pray to the High Priest Jesus Christ 🙏🏽
@@marmitenot.he did point out where Pawson was wrong. I’ve listened to every talk from Pawson and he conveniently glosses over the biblical teaching of Jesus giving the power to forgive sins to the apostles. And the fact Jesus established a church, not a Bible.
@@TheTradosaurus Do have I. Ever one.