The Holy Spirit has dealt with me concerning the Martyr ism that I personally will endure and I deem it an honor to die for Jesus Christ I will run up to it shouting his name
EVERYONE who is from God, Goes to Jesus Christ. Those who believe in him and HIS WORDS will be tested for their faith ... all people from all tongues . There is one Shepherd with one flock . We are to stay faithful even till death .
The Proof Is They Do Not Accept YEHOVA'S NAME And Hate It. When We Say YEHOVA Is The NAME Of Our ELOHIM And SAVIOR, They Look At Us With Hated Eyes And Say... "You Are YEHOVA'S Witnesses??..." Reading My Armenian Holy Bible, Especially The Old Testament, (TORAH) I Understood Many Realities That Have Been Kept From Us By Telling Us, That The Old Testament Does Not Belong To Us! I Found A Chapter That Says, Our SAVIOR'S NAME IS, (YEHOVA SAPAVOVT) And, HE IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL: Here The Verse: YEHOVA SAVIOR Inside (TORAH) THE LIES END; This Is The Proof From My Armenian HOLY BIBLE: Judgment Of Babylon: And I Will Not Accept Anyone's Mediation: “THE NAME OF OUR SAVIOR IS, (YEHOVA SAPAVOVT) HE IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL: ~ Isaiah 47:3-4 And In The New Testament They Erased YEHOVA'S NAME AND SALVATION, For Our Destruction And For Their Victory! Wake Up Dears, Open Your Eyes Well, The Journey Is Short. KEEP SABBATHS HOLY: Sun day 🌞 law is the Antichrist! HIS YEHOVA AND SIGN BETWEN US IS HOLY SABBATH: When He Saw Elijah, He Said To Him, “Is That You, You Troubler Of Israel?” “I Have Not Made Trouble For Israel,” Elijah replied. “But You And Your Father’s Family Have. You Have Abandoned The ELOHIM Commands And Have Followed The baals. ~ 1 Kings 18:17-18 And He Brought me into the inner court of THE ELOHIM’S HOUSE, and, behold, at the Door Of The TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, between The Porch and The Altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward THE TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. Ezekiel 8:16
who is he to speak and have his words fulfilled, If The YEHOVA ELoHIM HAS Not Commanded? ~ Lamentations Jeremiah 3:37 HIS NOT: lord god mod jesus mesus: They Will Call On MY NAME, And I Will ANSWER Them: I Will Say, ‘They Are MY People,’ And They Will Say, The YEHOVA Is Our ELoHIM. ~ Zechariah 13:9 HIS Name Is “YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:” HIS ELoHIM The Most HigH Our Mighty Creator: Glory To The Alpha And Omega: Glory In The Highest Our ELoHIM And Savior: Glory To The Lion Of Judah: Praise YAH, YEHOVA, HalleluYAH: Moreover Most HigH Said To Moses, “ Thus You Shall Say To The Children Of Israel: ‘ The YEHOVA ELoHIM Of Your Fathers, The ELoHIM Of Abraham, The ELoHIM Of Isaac, And The ELoHIM Of Jacob, Has Sent Me To You. This Is MY NAME Forever, And This Is MY Memorial To All Generations. ~ Exodus 3:15 Because He Has Affection For ME, I Will Rescue Him. I Will Protect Him Because He Knows MY NAME. ~ Psalm 91:14 The Wise Will See YOUR NAME; ~ Micah 6:9 Be Proud Of HIS HOLY NAME: ~ Psalm 105:3 “You Must Not Take Up The Name Of YEHOVA Your EloHIM In A Worthless Way, For YEHOVA Will Not Leave Unpunished The One Who Takes Up HIS Name In A Worthless Way.” ~ Exodus 20:7 I Have Been "YEHOVA" Your CreatoR Ever Since The Land Of Egypt; You Know No CreatoR But ME, And No SavioR Exists Besides ME. ~ Hosea 13:4 And Everyone Who Calls On The Name Of YEHOVA Will Be Saved.”’ ~ Acts 2:21 There Is No One Who Calls YOUR NAME; To Wake Up And Find Strength In YOU. ~ Isaiah 64:7 YEHOVA Is The Same Forever: ELOHIM NAME Can’t Translated: >Names Never Translate. Your Name Is The Same In Every Language In The World.
I totally agree that there is no pre-tribulation rapture. However I would caution everyone to not rest too much on academia either. Pharisees Sadducees and scribes, those we do not want to be as we shall have no other gods before Him. That includes some of the over arched academia these days. Blessings.
True. I understand sometimes we need to learn what some "human sources" have said about biblical topics to deal with people who quote those sources in their arguments. But at the same time, it also feels like a waste of time since our priority or main source of wisdom should be the words of God themselves. The other out-of-bible sources seem to be distractions sometimes. Also, God does not need us to be scholars or experts so that we can be able to read and understand the bible. If that was the case, He would not tell parents to teach His commandments to their children and their children's children.
I am dumbfounded when I hear Pre tribbers quite happily and straight faced saying planes will fall out of the sky and vehicles and trains will kill people. Horrified that believers in Christ are happy with innocent lives dying in the rapture . With no apparent care, least of which that those non believers killed have no chance to accept Christ during the Tribulation.
Pre-trib uses the 1 hour theory to say it's for a 7 year time frame. However, when Jesus said to the disciples in the Garden of Gethsemane "Could you not watch with me 1 hour" he meant 1 hour not 7 years.
So you believe that the majority of the book of Revelation happens in the span of 1 hour? Did you read the passages mentioning 1260 days? Equaling 3.5 years. Mentioned Twice. Daniel is echoing this, in Daniel 9. The 70th week of years (7 years)
Not agreeing or disagreeing. Just to say that 1 day can mean both A day or 1000 years. The contexts usually give us clues of what the word or number means. On the other hand, it can mean both. For example, God said to Adam that he was gonna die on the day he ate the fruit but the bible says Adam lives 930 years and died. Did God lie to Adam? No way! Because Adam did die on the very day he ate the fruit. That's what it meas to "fall short of the glory of God". That spiritual reality manifests itself physically too but, the timing of its materialization is not necessarily the same. However, Adam did die on the 1st millennium which can be just 1 day to God. The same theory applies to the hours. 🙂
@@MO-cr8tt I understand your point. To be clear, I did the math of a thousand years representing a 24 hour day. 12 hours is 500 years. 6 hours is 250 years. An hour is over 41 years. The 7 year time frame of the Tribulation if indeed applicable would be a perfect fit and it's obviously not when we're left with an unwieldy 41 years, whereas Adam died within the thousand year/1 day time frame which does indeed fit. I believe the hour is in real time in Revelation and lines up with the highly visible return of Christ event in 2 Peter chapter 3.
I think the MOST concerning fruit of the pre-trib rapture is the hope and longing for the rapture verses the hope and longing for Jesus and the desire to endure with him until the end as He sees fit NOT our carnal flesh. Finding peace and confidence in HIM our living Hope verses a rapture theory… in the words of our Lord you will know a tree by its fruit. Observe the fruit of the trees of pre, mid and post rapture theories and decide with the guidance of Holy Spirit through the Word….His Sheep hear His voice.… Blessings on us all to love one another deeply from the heart verses judging one another based upon theories. 1Peter 4:7-8
I am not sure I get this. I see good fruit coming from all true Bible believing Christians regardless of their rapture view. From my reading of the Bible, I find the rapture view slightly more compelling than others. From my personal point of view I find it a LOT more compelling. Why? Because I know how weak I am. I also know that I am saved. I know there is a good chance that I take the mark to protect my family so that they don't have to take it. Yet Jesus promised that one is saved via His grace and yet those that take the mark will all perish. This doesn't make sense to me and hence my only thinking is that we won't be here during the Tribulation. Not taking the mark is a work - and we are not saved by works.
@thisismonitor4099 you are saved by faith but if your faith has no works then your faith is dead. This means real faith produces works. If you deny him he will deny you. The mentality you have is the mentality of someone that does not understand persecution that many millions of Christians have already today
@@handles617 having been in the house churches in China and having relatives who are currently being persecuted for their faith, I agree with you and agree that works do come after conversion. But not all Christians show all works. that doesn't mean that their works are bad. But not taking the mark is a specific work that will be required under extreme pressure and I am not confident that I will not buckle. I am indeed a very weak Christian, but according to the Bible I am indeed still a Christian.
@@thisismonitor4099ask God for strength to endure until the end, do not think that you can take the mark and be saved; that is not biblical. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved. "To live is Christ, to die is gain." ☝️🙂
Great teaching btw. I've been following all your teachings on this subject. I've been post for 12 years...Joe Schimmel of Goodfight is an awesome servant as well. I'm brushing up and really loving what the Word says about The Day of The Lord. Easter and the Sabbath as well. Thx
Thank you Joel for covering 1 Enoch. It is one of the books besides Isaiah that contain the most Messianic prophecies. It even supports what you wrote about in Sinai To Zion. It would be very interesting to have a series covering the full book of 1 Enoch (I personally consider 2 Enoch and 3 Enoch as being demonically inspired).
@@metapolitikgedanken612 yes those books were left out of the Bible for a reason, not because of some Canon Summit majority but because God got through to one of those "priests" present as to which which books are in and which are not. Something as important as this was not left up to man to decide. God surely had influence.
@@metapolitikgedanken612 it is my understanding that, like Genesis (started by Moses and finished by another), it was started by Enoch and finished by another.
The Post Trib return of our Great God should be the subject. His appearing!!! 1 Peter 1:3 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, Yeshua is our living hope!!!
These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me ye might have peace. *In the world ye shall have tribulation:* but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. (John 16:33) *Immediately after the tribulation* of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. *And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall ‘gather together His elect’ from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.* (Matthew 24:29-31)
For then shall be *GREAT TRIBULATION,* such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. (Matthew 24:21-22)
@@theendtimesarehere Yep, we will indeed experience it. Maybe if you actually engaged in discussion, rather than mass copy and paste, a real understanding could be established.
Hey, Joel! I noticed that many Christians (both pre and post tribs), especially pre-tribers are not aware of or do not understand the mystery of God revealed through the 2 houses of Israel; how it started, how it progressed and how it ends. I haven’t heard you talk about that either. Learning about it is one of the keys to understand so many of God's words that sound so confusing or in conflict with some other biblical texts. We get a more deep understanding, for example, of some parables of Jesus or Paul’s words. Even some small details in the book of revelation become greatly important and make things (such as the witnesses, the virgins, the 144k) more clear. Have you heard people say “Follow the money”? So, I’d suggest you to follow the “blessing of Shem” or the “primogeniture blessing” through the 2 houses of Israel, starting from Jacob’s dream. If you already know what I mean, would you mind making a video about it? That’d be nice for people to know.
"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." {Hebrews 9:28 KJV}
The Proof Is They Do Not Accept YEHOVA'S NAME And Hate It. When We Say YEHOVA Is The NAME Of Our ELOHIM And SAVIOR, They Look At Us With Hated Eyes And Say... "You Are YEHOVA'S Witnesses??..." Reading My Armenian Holy Bible, Especially The Old Testament, (TORAH) I Understood Many Realities That Have Been Kept From Us By Telling Us, That The Old Testament Does Not Belong To Us! I Found A Chapter That Says, Our SAVIOR'S NAME IS, (YEHOVA SAPAVOVT) And, HE IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL: Here The Verse: YEHOVA SAVIOR Inside (TORAH) THE LIES END; This Is The Proof From My Armenian HOLY BIBLE: Judgment Of Babylon: And I Will Not Accept Anyone's Mediation: “THE NAME OF OUR SAVIOR IS, (YEHOVA SAPAVOVT) HE IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL: ~ Isaiah 47:3-4 And In The New Testament They Erased YEHOVA'S NAME AND SALVATION, For Our Destruction And For Their Victory! Wake Up Dears, Open Your Eyes Well, The Journey Is Short. KEEP SABBATHS HOLY: Sun day 🌞 law is the Antichrist! HIS YEHOVA AND SIGN BETWEN US IS HOLY SABBATH: When He Saw Elijah, He Said To Him, “Is That You, You Troubler Of Israel?” “I Have Not Made Trouble For Israel,” Elijah replied. “But You And Your Father’s Family Have. You Have Abandoned The ELOHIM Commands And Have Followed The baals. ~ 1 Kings 18:17-18 And He Brought me into the inner court of THE ELOHIM’S HOUSE, and, behold, at the Door Of The TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, between The Porch and The Altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward THE TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. Ezekiel 8:16
Be Born Again With KEEPING The 1o Commandments; HIS ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE MOST HIGH, Our ELOHIM AND SAVIOR YEHOVA SAPAVOVT: R e p e n t… Time Is Running Out, The Whole World Is Destroyed!!! We Are To Follow The 10 Commandments, And NOT The Religion That Antichrist Made! And Don't FORGET That Important HOLY SIGN Between US And Our ELOHIM To KEEP The SABBATH HOLY As An ETERNAL COVENANT AMONG US That (YEHOVA) Is Our ELOHIM & SAVIOR: ELOHIM Is Not Man, That HE Should LIE, Or A Son Of Man, That HE Should CHANGE HIS MIND. HAS HE SAID, And WILL HE NOT DO IT? Or HAS HE SPOKEN, And WILL HE NOT FULFILL IT? ~ Numbers 23:19 Elijah On MOUNT SINAI: YEHOVA ELOHIM SAID, Yet I HAVE LEFT ME, SEVEN (7) THOUSAND ISRAEL, All The Knees Which Have Not Bowed Unto baal, And Every Mouth Which Hath Not Kissed him. ~ 1 Kings 19:18 And He Brought me into the inner court of THE ELOHIM’S HOUSE, and, behold, at the Door Of The TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, between The Porch and The Altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward THE TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. ~ Ezekiel 8:16 Let's Gooo... The Rapture Verse: Only They Will Deserve To FLY AT HARPAZO THE RAPTURE HEAVENLY EVENT IS WHO IS KEEPING THE SABBATH HOLY: HALLELUYAH And The YEHOVA SAID Unto Moses, Stretch Out Thine Hand Toward Heaven, That there May Be Darkness Over The Land Of Egypt, Even Darkness Which May Be Felt. And Moses Stretched Forth His Hand Toward Heaven; And There Was A Thick Darkness In All The Land Of Egypt 3 Days: They Saw Not One Another, Neither Rose Any From His Place For 3 Days: But ALL THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL HAD LIGHT IN THEIR DWELLINGS. ~ Exodus 10:21-23 And Moses Went Up Unto ELOHIM, And THE YEHOVA Called Unto Him Out Of The Mountain, SAYING, Thus Shalt Thou Say To The House Of Jacob, And Tell The Children Of Israel; Ye Have Seen What I DID Unto The Egyptians, And How I BARE You On Eagles' Wings, And Brought You UNTO MYSELF. Now Therefore, If Ye Will Obey MY VOICE Indeed, And Keep MY COVENANT, Then Ye Shall Be A PECULIAR TREASURE UNTO ME Above All People: For All The EARTH IS MINE: And Ye Shall Be UNTO ME A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, And AN HOLY NATION. These Are The WORDS Which Thou Shalt SPEAK Unto The Children Of Israel. ~ Exodus 19:3-6 Most HigH YEHOVA'S Will And Man's Rejection: (16) Because They Rejected MY LAWS And Did Not Follow MY Decrees And Desecrated MY SABBATHS. For Their Hearts Were Devoted To Their Idols. (19) I AM YEHOVA Your CREATOR; Follow MY Decrees And Be Careful To Keep MY LAWS. (20) Keep My SABBATHS HOLY, That They May Be A Sign Between US. Then You Will Know That I AM YEHOVA Your CREATOR. Ezekiel 20: 16, 19, 20 HalleluYAH
who is he to speak and have his words fulfilled, If The YEHOVA ELoHIM HAS Not Commanded? ~ Lamentations Jeremiah 3:37 HIS NOT: lord god mod jesus mesus: They Will Call On MY NAME, And I Will ANSWER Them: I Will Say, ‘They Are MY People,’ And They Will Say, The YEHOVA Is Our ELoHIM. ~ Zechariah 13:9 HIS Name Is “YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:” HIS ELoHIM The Most HigH Our Mighty Creator: Glory To The Alpha And Omega: Glory In The Highest Our ELoHIM And Savior: Glory To The Lion Of Judah: Praise YAH, YEHOVA, HalleluYAH: Moreover Most HigH Said To Moses, “ Thus You Shall Say To The Children Of Israel: ‘ The YEHOVA ELoHIM Of Your Fathers, The ELoHIM Of Abraham, The ELoHIM Of Isaac, And The ELoHIM Of Jacob, Has Sent Me To You. This Is MY NAME Forever, And This Is MY Memorial To All Generations. ~ Exodus 3:15 Because He Has Affection For ME, I Will Rescue Him. I Will Protect Him Because He Knows MY NAME. ~ Psalm 91:14 The Wise Will See YOUR NAME; ~ Micah 6:9 Be Proud Of HIS HOLY NAME: ~ Psalm 105:3 “You Must Not Take Up The Name Of YEHOVA Your EloHIM In A Worthless Way, For YEHOVA Will Not Leave Unpunished The One Who Takes Up HIS Name In A Worthless Way.” ~ Exodus 20:7 I Have Been "YEHOVA" Your CreatoR Ever Since The Land Of Egypt; You Know No CreatoR But ME, And No SavioR Exists Besides ME. ~ Hosea 13:4 And Everyone Who Calls On The Name Of YEHOVA Will Be Saved.”’ ~ Acts 2:21 There Is No One Who Calls YOUR NAME; To Wake Up And Find Strength In YOU. ~ Isaiah 64:7 YEHOVA Is The Same Forever: ELOHIM NAME Can’t Translated: >Names Never Translate. Your Name Is The Same In Every Language In The World.
Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon His name. *And they shall be Mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up My jewels* 💎; *and I will spare them,* as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God, and him that serveth Him not. (Malachi 3:16-18) *Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? For riches* 💎 *certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven.* (Proverbs 23:5)
*The Lord knoweth how to ‘deliver the godly’ out of temptations,* and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished. (2 Peter 2:9) And to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus, *which ‘delivered us’ from the wrath to come.* (1 Thessalonians 1:10) *For God hath not appointed us to wrath,* but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thessalonians 5:9) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: *and at that time thy people shall be delivered,* every one that shall be found written in the book. (Daniel 12:1)
Interesting you choose verses 16-18 but not 1-3, which, state ""behold, HE IS COMING" says the Lord of armies. "But WHO CAN ENDURE THE DAY OF HIS COMING? AND WHO CAN STAND WHEN HE APPEARS?" Which is a parallel verse to revelation 6:16-17 when the 6th seal is opened ""Fall on us and hide us from the sight of Him who sits on the throne, and from the WRATH OF THE LAMB; for the GREAT DAY OF THEIR WRATH HAS COME, and WHO IS ABLE TO STAND?" matthew 24:29-31 and the 6th seal signs itself are also parallel ""But immediately after the tribulation of those days the SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL FROM THE SKY" "and the sun became as black as sackloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth" and Joel 2:31 "The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the COMING OF THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD." Very clear to see that the day of the lord, wrath of the lamb begin with the signs in the skies after the 6th seal is opened and this is the end of the tribulation You quote a verse about us being spared...the problem is that we dont disagree with you. You just dont understand what were arguing.
The topic of when the rapture will happen runs much deeper than why a believer is pre-trib rapture, mid-trib, or post-trib. The real issue with this topic is whether or not a professing believer is a true disciple of Christ. A disciple of Christ takes-up his cross/forsakes all to follow Him. On the other hand, there are many professing believers who pick and choose what, when, and how to forsake; worse yet, such even pursue earthly prosperity. There is no real surrender. It makes sense that many of these kind of believers strongly embrace the pre-tribulation rapture idea.
Ok we will be here during Tribulation….I got that, but concerning The Great Day or that hour, we’re not appointed unto that final wrath. That’s why I’m a mid trib. Still….my head will roll 💯
Watch Brenda Weltner! She breaks down how the tribulation isn’t 7 years and the wrath and the great day and all of that are separate. She believes in 3 raptures!
@@ElleKay4Life your Brenda Weltner doesn't know what she is talking about , read the WORDS of CHRIST as recorded in Mathew 24 , Luke 21 , Daniel 7 etc. Revelation ---&
Hey, Joel! I’m not sure whether or not you’ve made a special video about the “claim” or “belief” that the words in the bible are inspired by God and how men were able to decide which scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit and which ones were not, and why some of the so called “apocryphals” are not considered “inspired” by some denominations or religious groups but they’re believed to be God’s words by others. How can we be sure that the men in the past (ones we never met personally) chose the right books really inspired by the Almighty One for the biblical compilation? Have you thought that the only reason why we believe the book of revelation is inspired by God is because it is included in the “oficial” compilation? What if those men had decided that Genesis was not inspired by God and took it out of the bible? Would we still see the book as we do today? I’d like to know what you know and think about that. I don’t know all the apocryphal ones but I know that there were a few things in the bible that started make sense to me after information from the book of Enoch and the book of jubilees. I have read a great portion of the book of jasar and lots of info in it are very interesting but I haven’t felt about it the same intelectual comfort I had from the books of Enoch and jubilees. I’d suggest everyone to read them but only after studying the regular bible.
I find it rather tiresome that the "Rapture" is the object of our affection rather than the appearing of our Great God and savior Yeshua. The rapture is just incidental to his return . the blessed hope is eternal life at his appearing and not the rapture.
But people who have no intention of enduring tribulation or persecution for His name's sake NEED to believe in it. Otherwise, they have to face the fact their names will be removed from the book of life. Instead of asking the Lord to prepare them to endure until the end, they'd rather just twist scripture to convince themselves Jesus would NEVER allow His followers to be tortured or killed.
Also regarding the books in the Bible. Let’s not be too blinded that man has had his hand in that since day one. Yahuah’s word and truth will always come through no matter what man tries, but man of course has always been out to deceive God’s people.
The promise of God gathering His people goes all the way back to Deut 30, but dispensationalism(which divorces the front of the bible from the back) blinds one from this fact.
I believe this. I have read the Books of Enoch. My question is how will the pre tribulation believers be affected by not getting it before Christ's coming? Will they not go to heaven because they don't understand scripture but believe in Jesus? A question many say to me when I tell them that pre-tribulation isn't found. Just curious
One's view on the rapture does not affect their Salvation. Faith in the atoning work of Jesus is what saves us. Whether someone is pre, mid or post, they are saved if they are in Christ and will be glorified with Jesus at His coming.
The effect is on if they are able to keep their faith in the face of such deep persecution. If they expect God to escape them and He doesn't, what do you think that'll do to their faith when they face intense persecution that they didn't expect to go through?
@@mimster58 you're right my dear sister, we have to endure to the end, it is the endurance of the saints that is consistently called for throughout the scriptures. May the Lord help us both to endure so that we'll partake of the first resurrection and enter into His rest in Jesus name, amen
We count the 7 Sabbaths after the 7 Day feast of Unleavened bread to locate Shavuot, the festival of First-fruits of harvest. This is how it's recorded in the book of Jubilees. These truths are ALSO in our own Bibles. In the Leviticus text below I've inserted this Year's Feast Dates, using the Torah Calendar to locate Passover, Feast of Unleavened bread, Shavuot and Pentecost. The Torah Calendar is a Month off. So the 2nd Month is the correct 1st Month of the Hebrew New Year. "On the fourteenth day [5 May] of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. And on the fifteenth day [6 May] of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days [6-12 May] you must eat unleavened bread. On the first day [6 May] you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord for seven days [6-12 May]. The seventh day [12 May: special Sabbath Day of rest] shall be a holy convocation...He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day [13 May] after the Sabbath [12 May] the priest shall wave it...And you shall count for yourselves from the day [13 May at Sunset] after the Sabbath [12 May], from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths [20, 28 May, 4, 11, 18, 27 June, 4 July] shall be completed. Count fifty days [5 July - 23 August, 23 August being Pentecost] to the day [5 July] after the seventh Sabbath [4th July:Shavuot]; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the Lord." [Lev.23:5-8, 11, 15,16] Is Shavuot, the 4th of July, 2023, the LAST DAY the Lord often spoke about? Yes it is! This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up AT THE LAST DAY. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY.” [John 6:39,40] Day 8, 15, 22 and 29 of the Torah Calendar Months are ALWAYS Sabbath Days. Sometime these Dates fall on Saturday or Sunday on our pagan Gregorian Calendar at other times they don't. Whether they do or don't is irrelevant to God's Timeline. The 4th of July 2023 is Shavuot. This Date falls on Day 15 Month 3. Tuesday, the 4th of July, IS the LAST DAY that will END a 7 Day week that will begin on Wednesday the 28th of June 2023. This will be our LAST WEEK on earth before receiving our glorified bodies! OUR LAST MONTH [20 June], LAST WEEK [28 June] AND LAST DAY [4 July] ARE COUNTING DOWN BEFORE OUR VERY EYES!!! The 4th of July is a Sabbath day regardless of what day of the week it falls on in the Gregorian pagan Calendar. Contrary to what many believe the Lord is NOT using the Gregorian Calendar to mark time. Shavuot and Pentecost are not the same festivals. Shavuot is the Day of Ascension. Pentecost is 50 days later. Many assumptions and errors have made it difficult to pin point the Day of the Rapture UNTIL NOW!!! What do we now know? The Lord died on the cross in 30 AD. The Lord's birthday is on Shavuot on Day 15 Month 3. The Lord ascended up into heaven on His birthday on Shavuot on Day 15 Month 3 in 30 AD. The Torah Calendar is a Month off. The Sun MUST be in the Constellation of Aries to begin the Hebrew Year. Day 1 of Month 1 fell correctly on the 22nd of April 2023 Passover was on the 5th of May. The Feast of Unleavened bread ended on the 13th of May. We must then count off 7 Sabbaths to locate Shavuot 20, 28 May, 4, 11, 18, 27 June, 4 July. The 7th Sabbath falls on Tuesday the 4th of July 2023 on our Gregorian Calendar. This is Shavuot also known as the festival of First-fruits of Harvest. This is when I'm expecting the Rapture to occur! Pentecost is 50 days later on 23rd of August.
Idk why you'd call the gregorian pagan, when it was clearly put in place by christians and is obviously more accurate for defining seasons by being based on the sun, compared to any calendar based on the moon..
@@handles617 The days of the week are named after pagan gods. This is why you won't find a single one named in the Scripture! The origin of these pagan names was Babylon. In AD 321 the Emperor Constantine decreed that Sunday should be the day of rest for Christians, to separate them from the Jews. Just because Christians adopt pagan names into their calendar doesn't make it right! This is why most Christians don't know what days of the Month are the Sabbath Days of rest. Days of the week should remain numbered.
@dunamis333 idk what your point is. The calendar the Israelis used would've predated their own ancient nation, which makes it canaanite in nature, therefore likely deriving from ancient babylon to begin with. They didn't all use the moon by coincidence. As for the sabbath, Paul himself said it didn't matter what day you celebrated on and were a shadow of things to come.
Joel allow us to read the full contexts of the quotes you use it’s hard to absorb the contexts when you do the same as your correcting. Let us read the full material then dissect. Love your teaching.
What about Luke 21:36 “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”” Luke 21:36 NKJV It sounds like to me that Jesus was talking about the tribulation at the beginning of Luke 21, then talking about Israel, who is the fig tree, then Jesus says watch, therefore and pray always that you would be counted worthy to escape these things coming to pass and to stand before the son of man. And then to also add to this understanding is 1st Thessalonians 4 and 5. How do you not see a pre trib rapture? We are not appointed to Gods wrath 1Thess 5:9. Then what does this verse mean, then👆🏻 According to 1 Thessalonians 5:9 in the King James Version of the Bible, God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to obtain salvation through Jesus Christ
The passage starts at verse 34 "But be on your *guard*, so that your hearts will not be *weighed down* with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that this day will not come on you *suddenly* like a *trap*; for it will come upon *all* those who live on the face of all the earth But *stay alert* at all times, praying that you will have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.” What he is saying here is similar to his prayer in john 17: 15-20, where he prays that they are not taken out of the world but kept from the evil one. That they should not physically escape, but spiritually. Jesus is saying pray that you have the *strength*. It is not physical but spiritual. As for 1thess 5: 9 It's not a rapture verse and many pre trib will agree. He moved on by that moment to the topic of salvation. this is similar to john 3 36 "he who believes in the son has eternal life, but he who does not obey the son will not see life, but the wrath of god abides on him" It's eternal wrath not a physical wrath. This actually wouldn't matter anyways since both pre wrath and post trib agree we do not experience the wrath. Most pre tribbers just don't understand the argument they're against.
Tribulation and wrath are not the same thing. 42 months are appointed for antichrist to wage war against the saints. Daniel 7:21-28, Revelation 13:5-7. This is the great tribulation Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15-22. It is not God's wrath, actually the opposite. Revelation 12:12-17. God's wrath and day of vengeance commences on the 'Day of the Lord' after the tribulation. Matthew 24:29-31. With signs in sun, moon, and stars. Luke 21:25-28, Isaiah 13:6-10, Isaiah 34:4-8, Joel 2:31-32. There's a redemption and deliverance on this day for "whoever calls upon the name of the Lord." A 'rest' for believers comes on this day when Jesus is revealed from heaven with mighty angels in flaming fire to take vengeance. 2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10 "Pray that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that are coming to pass and to stand before the Son of Man." Luke 21:36 Revelation 6:17 "Who is able to stand?" Revelation 7:9 Psalm 76:7-10 Psalm 5:5 Psalm 24:3-6 "The Lord sent from above, He took me, He drew me out of many waters." Psalm 18:16 "Many waters" Revelation 17:1-2, 15 Revelation 18:4 "Come out of her" Isaiah 52:10-12 "Go out of the midst of her" "The Lord will go before you and the God of Israel will be your rear guard." Exodus 14:19-21 But did Israel who fled Egypt go into the mountain of the Lord or did they wander in the desert for 40 years and die? Exodus 15:16-17 Who does go into the mountain of His inheritence? His dwelling. Hebrews 12:18-24 Psalm 24:3-6 John 14 There's a Shepherd to lead them; an innumerable multitude. Has a name like 'Joshua' or 'Yeshua'... Jesus. John 10:1-6 Numbers 27:15-18 1st Kings 3:8-10 Revelation 7:9, 17
I have found that several other teachings that prop up the pre trib rapture are also false. It really is a system (dispensationalism) of error propping up the pre trib rapture.
I forgot the other guys name, but he had L.A. Marzulli on a long ways back,.. discussing nephilim and the alien agenda (another important topic neglected in the church) Anyway, i ended up chatting with him in emails about the rapture. Or rather i brought it up, and he wanted no part in a friendly discussion. He's an ardent adherent to pretrib . Anything opposing that is not up for discussion. I find that often among pretibbers. I know its not all, but more often than not... they get upset or shut down. Fascinating to say the least. Maybe someone can chime in and school me with some psychological reasoning. I mean that sincerely. Id like a better approach to discussion that can bypass that....if indeed it can be
For me, my Lord is Clear...Matthew Chapter 13 and John Chapter 6...verses 39-40, 44 and 54 kjv. Why would you NOT believe the Son of God? He can tell NO LIES!
It was the Son of God who said “after the tribulation” in three different accounts of the olivet discourse. Paul confirms this in 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-3.
I'm not understanding, to "escape all things and stand before the Lord" is referring to being raptured, not being victorious in the midst of trials through His blood and the word of our testimony? If so, what strength is needed for that?
@nelsongagne9142 I think there's several ways to interpret the passage besides a pretribulation rapture, but convincing others is a lot harder. They hear "escape all these things," and that's all they need! 😭 To be fair, pretrib preachers teach the passage that way, and most people don't study the Bible for themselves, so it's frustrating to try and talk to people about pretrib errors without disarming the way they use proof texts first. I can quote 10 verses, but they will just keep repeating Revelation 3:10 and Luke 21:36 with zero reflection on what I'm saying. 🥺
I know, right! I live in the south - country town in the bible belt, and I have not found one church where I simply have to silently disagree on the day of the Lord. It's all about pretrib and focus on the antichrist, not the glorious return of the Messiah!
I could accept the idea of a pre trib rapture if that meant to die before the trib. Because in that sense, yes, death raptures us before the antichrist is revealed. And in that sense, we all should live each day as if it was the day of the rapture.
Don’t understand why so many try to discredit the Rapture..it’s like the side that believes the one and the sides that doesn’t just causes discourse. Just live for the LORD and move on..
Because the pre trib rapture is heavily pushed by mostly american fundamentalists, and is a very new doctrine in reality. Its also very dangerous if its WRONG
It is right and proper to discredit ALL false teachings, every single one. Even in Paul's day we can see in some of his epistles how he exposes and rebukes false teachers that arise among the people. To NOT do this is to let people end up in hell because of faulty understanding. I hope you now understand. Maranatha !!!
Those that pick Bible verses out of context to make a new doctrine are deceiving God's people and need to be exposed. When the pre-tribulation doesn't happen I believe there will be a great falling away as they weren't ready to endure until the end. Read Matthew 24.
@@wendyhall8645 That's what I've been thinking for years. When millions of believers cling to the hope that God will grant them a Great Escape from the times of trouble, but then they see the Great Reset and many of our freedoms taken, they see the coalition of the armies of the north invade Israel, they see the Antichrist appear and take control, but Jesus doesn't. At that point, I'm sure many of us sold on the pre-Trib Rapture will be extremely discouraged and open to the doctrines of demons espoused by the AC and False Prophet.
who is he to speak and have his words fulfilled, If The YEHOVA ELoHIM HAS Not Commanded? ~ Lamentations Jeremiah 3:37 HIS NOT: lord god mod jesus mesus: They Will Call On MY NAME, And I Will ANSWER Them: I Will Say, ‘They Are MY People,’ And They Will Say, The YEHOVA Is Our ELoHIM. ~ Zechariah 13:9 HIS Name Is “YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:” HIS ELoHIM The Most HigH Our Mighty Creator: Glory To The Alpha And Omega: Glory In The Highest Our ELoHIM And Savior: Glory To The Lion Of Judah: Praise YAH, YEHOVA, HalleluYAH: Moreover Most HigH Said To Moses, “ Thus You Shall Say To The Children Of Israel: ‘ The YEHOVA ELoHIM Of Your Fathers, The ELoHIM Of Abraham, The ELoHIM Of Isaac, And The ELoHIM Of Jacob, Has Sent Me To You. This Is MY NAME Forever, And This Is MY Memorial To All Generations. ~ Exodus 3:15 Because He Has Affection For ME, I Will Rescue Him. I Will Protect Him Because He Knows MY NAME. ~ Psalm 91:14 The Wise Will See YOUR NAME; ~ Micah 6:9 Be Proud Of HIS HOLY NAME: ~ Psalm 105:3 “You Must Not Take Up The Name Of YEHOVA Your EloHIM In A Worthless Way, For YEHOVA Will Not Leave Unpunished The One Who Takes Up HIS Name In A Worthless Way.” ~ Exodus 20:7 I Have Been "YEHOVA" Your CreatoR Ever Since The Land Of Egypt; You Know No CreatoR But ME, And No SavioR Exists Besides ME. ~ Hosea 13:4 And Everyone Who Calls On The Name Of YEHOVA Will Be Saved.”’ ~ Acts 2:21 There Is No One Who Calls YOUR NAME; To Wake Up And Find Strength In YOU. ~ Isaiah 64:7 YEHOVA Is The Same Forever: ELOHIM NAME Can’t Translated: >Names Never Translate. Your Name Is The Same In Every Language In The World.
Be Born Again With KEEPING The 1o Commandments; HIS ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE MOST HIGH, Our ELOHIM AND SAVIOR YEHOVA SAPAVOVT: R e p e n t… Time Is Running Out, The Whole World Is Destroyed!!! We Are To Follow The 10 Commandments, And NOT The Religion That Antichrist Made! And Don't FORGET That Important HOLY SIGN Between US And Our ELOHIM To KEEP The SABBATH HOLY As An ETERNAL COVENANT AMONG US That (YEHOVA) Is Our ELOHIM & SAVIOR: ELOHIM Is Not Man, That HE Should LIE, Or A Son Of Man, That HE Should CHANGE HIS MIND. HAS HE SAID, And WILL HE NOT DO IT? Or HAS HE SPOKEN, And WILL HE NOT FULFILL IT? ~ Numbers 23:19 Elijah On MOUNT SINAI: YEHOVA ELOHIM SAID, Yet I HAVE LEFT ME, SEVEN (7) THOUSAND ISRAEL, All The Knees Which Have Not Bowed Unto baal, And Every Mouth Which Hath Not Kissed him. ~ 1 Kings 19:18 And He Brought me into the inner court of THE ELOHIM’S HOUSE, and, behold, at the Door Of The TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, between The Porch and The Altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward THE TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. ~ Ezekiel 8:16 Let's Gooo... The Rapture Verse: Only They Will Deserve To FLY AT HARPAZO THE RAPTURE HEAVENLY EVENT IS WHO IS KEEPING THE SABBATH HOLY: HALLELUYAH And The YEHOVA SAID Unto Moses, Stretch Out Thine Hand Toward Heaven, That there May Be Darkness Over The Land Of Egypt, Even Darkness Which May Be Felt. And Moses Stretched Forth His Hand Toward Heaven; And There Was A Thick Darkness In All The Land Of Egypt 3 Days: They Saw Not One Another, Neither Rose Any From His Place For 3 Days: But ALL THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL HAD LIGHT IN THEIR DWELLINGS. ~ Exodus 10:21-23 And Moses Went Up Unto ELOHIM, And THE YEHOVA Called Unto Him Out Of The Mountain, SAYING, Thus Shalt Thou Say To The House Of Jacob, And Tell The Children Of Israel; Ye Have Seen What I DID Unto The Egyptians, And How I BARE You On Eagles' Wings, And Brought You UNTO MYSELF. Now Therefore, If Ye Will Obey MY VOICE Indeed, And Keep MY COVENANT, Then Ye Shall Be A PECULIAR TREASURE UNTO ME Above All People: For All The EARTH IS MINE: And Ye Shall Be UNTO ME A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, And AN HOLY NATION. These Are The WORDS Which Thou Shalt SPEAK Unto The Children Of Israel. ~ Exodus 19:3-6 Most HigH YEHOVA'S Will And Man's Rejection: (16) Because They Rejected MY LAWS And Did Not Follow MY Decrees And Desecrated MY SABBATHS. For Their Hearts Were Devoted To Their Idols. (19) I AM YEHOVA Your CREATOR; Follow MY Decrees And Be Careful To Keep MY LAWS. (20) Keep My SABBATHS HOLY, That They May Be A Sign Between US. Then You Will Know That I AM YEHOVA Your CREATOR. Ezekiel 20: 16, 19, 20 HalleluYAH
In the book 'Which Bible ' it was argued that the translators of the New Testament KJV rejected texts that came out of Egypt and considered them tainted. Which texts formed the Catholic bible. They trusted only the texts that had their origins from Antioch,Syria and were protected by the Waldenisns in Italy and the Huguenots in France. The Roman Catholic Church not only persecuted these people's but burned any of their texts they could find.
The problem with the kjv origins is that it was formed directly out of spite of the catholic church. There were good reasons to not like them but it was still wrong to do this to the bible
First Book of Enoch, also called Ethiopic Book of Enoch, pseudepigraphal work (not included in any canon of scripture) whose only complete extant version is an Ethiopic translation of a previous Greek translation made in Palestine from the original Hebrew or Aramaic. Enoch, the seventh patriarch in the book of Genesis, was the subject of abundant apocryphal literature, especially during the Hellenistic period of Judaism (3rd century bc to 3rd century ad). At first revered only for his piety, he was later believed to be the recipient of secret knowledge from God. This portrait of Enoch as visionary was influenced by the Babylonian tradition of the 7th antediluvian king, Enmenduranna, who was linked to the sun god and received divine revelations. The story of Enoch reflects many such features of the Babylonian myth. Gutenberg Bible More From Britannica biblical literature: The Book of Enoch I Enoch is a compilation of several separate works, most of which are apocalyptic. Its oldest portion is the “Apocalypse of Weeks,” written shortly before the Maccabean uprising of 167 bc against the Seleucids. Other sections, especially those dealing with astronomical and cosmological speculations, are difficult to date. Because of its views on messianism, celibacy, and the fate of the soul after death, parts of I Enoch may have originated with or been influenced by the Essene community of Jews at Qumrān. No fragments of the longest portion of the work (chapters 37-71), however, were found among the Qumrān writings. This has led scholars to theorize that this section was perhaps written in the 2nd century ad by a Jewish Christian who wished to imbue his own eschatological speculations with the authority of Enoch, and added his work to four older apocryphal Enoch writings. I Enoch was at first accepted in the Christian Church but later excluded from the biblical canon. Its survival is due to the fascination of marginal and heretical Christian groups, such as the Manichaeans, with its syncretic blending of Iranian, Greek, Chaldean, and Egyptian elements.
Finally. I agree it doesn’t matter - I’d love to be here for the Tribulation or otherwise. But I was spun out at how harshly you guys dismissed the idea originally. Book of Enoch is one of the greatest hey - too much truth for them to have allowed in the Holy Bible
Dispensationalism isn't monolithic. 🤔 Neither is "evanjellycalism".😮 Another good reason to join the Roman Catholic and/or Eastern Orthodox church. 🧙♂️
I don't need writings of early church fathers. I can read what is in the Bible. There is quite enough evidence there. Is that seriously all ya got? The early writings or lack of writings of early church fathers? Paul is an early church father. He went in depth on it.
@@handles617 Oh, you mean the part about being pulled up from the earth to meet the Lord in the air? Notice in this event Jesus does not set foot on earth.
@papadavewatson The problem with what you just claimed is that if this methodology was used by pre tribbers consistently, you would arrive at several raptures..which is why thanks to the inconsistency that pre trib uses, this is exactly what many people do claim. Reason? Look at the difference between how Jesus describes his 2nd coming and how john describes it in his vision in revelation. You will notice that despite pre trib agreeing that matthew 24: 29-31 is the 2nd coming, the passage does not state he comes on a white horse, nor does it say he touches down on the earth. Yet, pre trib will agree that despite this difference, it is obviously the 2nd coming. But, in order to prove a prior rapture, they have to change this up and claim that the differences between what we claim are also 2nd coming verses are just "rapture" verses. Very inconsistent, selective, and essentially made up. I should ask you this question then..where in that passage, does it indicate that they are in the "air" or "heaven" forever?? Hint; it doesn't. It says they will meet him in the air and be with the Lord forever. Never once does it state that they will or will not move from the "air" to claim that this must, therefore, be a different event from the 2nd coming. In conclusion, your claim, of course, even ignoring the above, does not actually state a pre trib rapture and is, at best, a way of claiming there must be 2 events, so regardless of the flaws i just pointed out, you'd have to actually provide a verse that specifies the timing.
Can someone please help me with Enoch not being "scripture" This is a serious question. Teachers like Michael Heiser didn't think it should be in the canonical but didn't completely regard it as blasphemy either I understand that the Church of Nicia didn't consider it canon, but the Christian Ethiopians do Does the writing of Enoch not pre date Jesus? If that's the case it predates Revelation Just seeking truth! Christ is King 😁
You lost me at 5:00 It is clear you are establishing you arguments with false generalisations regarding early church beliefs. The exact opposite is true the very early church fathers did preach pre trib in the first 150 years or so then it changed after that. State your references when you make sweeping statements.
Interesting how a book written by the first major prophet, the 7th from Adam and one of 2 who never died but were taken up to heaven... is not scripture.
The word "keep" in Revelation 3:10 is from the Greek word tereo which means to guard or protect by keeping the eye upon, it does NOT mean to remove. When Jesus is talking about the great tribulation in the Olivet discourse He mentions false messiahs, wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes and famines and says, YOU will be hated by all nations for my namesake and be handed over to the authorities to be beaten and tortured and even put to death, but the one who endures to the end will be saved. (notice this is NOT God's wrath, Jesus says 'you will be hated for my namesake.' These are believers, not the wicked that God will pour His wrath out on, that comes later) Jesus then gives a warning sign. Jesus after telling of all the terrible stuff coming says, "Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation as spoken of by Daniel...flee." That's the midpoint of Daniel's 70th week. So this indicates that the time of great tribulation doesn't actually start until the three and half year mark. The anti-christ doesn't break the treaty until the half-way point. Warning signs always come before the thing they are warning about. So, if Jesus when describing the great tribulation mentions false messiahs, wars and famines etc, and then gives the abomination of desolation as the warning sign, it means that the tribulation actually starts after the mid-point of Daniel's 70th week. Then Jesus says, ""Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon not give its light." This is the sign that Joel 2:31 says, comes right before the Day of the Lord. So, if we put aside our pre-conceived ideas about a pre-trib rapture and really look at scripture, we find that the time of Great Tribulation starts at the midpoint of Daniel's 70th week, and then immediately after the tribulation the sun will be darkened and the moon not give its light and according Joel 2:31 then comes the Day of the Lord. I know, I too grew up (spiritually) on the Pre-trib Rapture, but look at scripture with an open mind. By the way, there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that says the Holy Spirit residing in the Church is the restrainer of the anti-christ. BUT, Jesus talking about the time of Great tribulation says, "...It'll be the worst time since the beginning of the world until then. Daniel 12:1 says there will come a time of trouble on Israel that will be the worst time since the beginning of nations until then. These two times have to be the same time because they completely overlap. AND Daniel says this time won't come until the Archangel Michael rises (or goes back to Heaven) and then that terrible time will come; Michael is the restrainer of the anti-christ, not the Holy Spirit in the raptured church. I personally think the pre-wrath view best fits scripture.
Revelation 2&3 are Jewish MYSTERY Menorah candlestick churches. They are NOT the Body of Christ Church. We escape judgment as Days of Noah and Days of Lot. The candlestick churches go through the Tribulation. Different dispensation.
This made me believe even more so I’m the pre trib rapture mainly from 4 Ezra even tho. I’m not truest sure if it was taught in the Old Testament. I believe it was definitely taught in the new covenant. I do not believe the book of Enoch is referring to the pre trib but definitely the great tribulation. No man knows the day or hour of the rapture every man knows the day the lord is coming back in the second coming. Do y’all really not believe in pre trib ?
@@Nomad58 Matt 22:29 Jesus answered them, ‘You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. Please note that Jesus said that if the Sadducees knew "the scriptures" and God's power, they would know that angels don't marry. What "scriptures" might Jesus have had in mind? No mention of this in the OT, Perhaps... "And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling." 1 Enoch 15:6-7 1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous 2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men 3 for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children 4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die 5 and perish**. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget 6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly 7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.
Can we be honest? Pre-tribers are like most (if not all) today’s Israelites; they don’t really believe what they preach. If pre-tribers really believed that the church was gonna be raptured at any time in a blink of an eye without or almost without a warning, they’d be living accordingly; they would not be concerned about worldly (good) things like they do. For example, They’d spend less or zero time on Netflix, sport games and making wealth. They’d live each day as if it was the day of rapture. The Israelites, for example, would not allow “gentiles” to worship another god in their land and they’d not have the more homossexual city inside their own borders.
And post-tribbers would immediately move to North Korea, because after all, why would you want to wait several more years for the Tribulation when you can get some sooner than that.
@@MO-cr8tt Yeah people won't make it through the Tribulation. It's designed to kill 99% of the population. So in order to be persecuted now, it would be good to move to Russia and start a church before the nuclear bombs start dropping.
Enjoyed this. I do think tho some of these passages refer to after the Millennium: a NEW earth; BOOKS will be opened; Sit on the THRONE; Give up dead in Sheol (wouldn’t this be those when the Books are opened at Great White Throne? Bc only dead in Christ rise at whatever point is that resurrection before Christ returns.) This would be similar to how Daniel or Peter (maybe both lol) will be relaying our end time & then switch to events at end of Millennial. Blessings!
Oh, also those verses talking abt the righteous in Trib, the pre-Tribbers say those are TRIBULATION SAINTS-no where in scripture is anything abt Trib Saints, meaning those who missed the ‘rapture’ but get saved during Tribulation years. I say, we’ll ALL be Trib saints bc we’ll go thru most of it, lol, jk!
Then Ken Johnson doesn't turn his comments on, on his videos. I wonder why. Dispensationalism? But the rest of the bible is pointless to them. Pick ans choose.
Dude, all Ken Johnson does is rapture talk. Why does all he do is worry about rapture? The left behind books have drove people rapture crazy. The craziest thing about pretrib folks is there's no way to know when their mythical rapture comes but all they do is worry about it. It's lunacy period. Even though everything in the bible says prepare, prepare for hard times.
not bible A Christian Introduction to 4 Ezra Because it was written about the same time as the book of Revelation, 4 Ezra is one of the more important apocalyptic books. The Jewish apocalypse (chapters 3-14) was probably written about A.D. 100 based on the opening verse which states the book was written thirty years after Jerusalem was destroyed. This verse claims to be the words of the main character in the story, Ezra, at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 B.C. Since the book discusses the problem of the fall of Jerusalem it is applicable to either A.D. 70 or 135. EzraMetzger finds it unlikely a Jewish book would find popularity in the post-Bar Kokhba world, so probably the central section was not written after even A.D. 120 (OTP 1:520. Charles 2:552 concurs with this date, although he tries to separate various sources in the text in order to date them earlier. Michael Stone dates the book to the last decade of the first century, see “Esdras, Second Book of,” in ABD 2:611-614). The Christian framework was added in the second half of the third century. Collins states there is a “consensus” the Jewish apocalypse was written in Palestine at the end of the first century while Metzger takes the reference to Babylon in 3:1 as Rome; the book is therefore the product of Diaspora Jews (Apocalyptic Imagination, 196). Chapters 1-2 of 4 Ezra are a Christian composition known as either 2 Esdras or 5 Ezra. After a brief genealogical introduction (1:1-3) Ezra is called to prophetic ministry (1:4-11). Ezra is to declare to the people of Israel their sins. To do this, Ezra describes the Exodus (1:12-14), the wilderness journeys (1:15-20) and the conquest (1:21-23) and shows that God did great things for the people, but they responded by breaking the covenant. God addresses the people through Ezra, wondering what he will do with his rebellious people (1:24-32). God declares that he will reject his people and no longer listen to their pleas (1:25) and drive them away like straw in the wind (1:22-37). God did send them leaders such as Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, then the 12 Minor Prophets (listed in the order of the LXX). Israel is to be scattered and God has become as a widow (2:1-7). After a short “woe” against Assyria which seems out of place, God says the Kingdom of Jerusalem will be taken away from Israel and given to “my people,” presumably Christians. God has rejected the nation of Israel as his people, and according to this text, he has turned to the gentiles. In 2:33-41 Ezra calls to the nations because Israel has rejected God: “O nations, await your true shepherd” (The editor of OTP inserts “Ezra turns to the Gentiles” as a section heading for 2:33-41, which seems a bit more than the text says). Chapter 2:15-32 is an ethical section inserted between the sections on Israel’s rejection. Beginning in verse 20 there is a list of actions which are expected from the people of God. Isaiah and Jeremiah are described as the servants of God sent to help Ezra as he reminds his readers of the ethical demands required of them. Some of the ethical statements which following in verse 20 are in fact drawn from Isaiah 1:17 and Jeremiah 7: guard the rights of the widow and the orphan, clothe the naked, care for the injured and weak, protect the lame and the blind, protect the old and properly bury the dead. Burial of the dead is not a factor in Isaiah and Jeremiah, but it is an important issue to first century Judaism. That Second Temple Judaism considered proper burial important is seen in the apocryphal book of Tobit. One of the “good deeds” of Tobit is the burial of the dead, see 1:18-20, 2:3-8, 4:3-4; 6:15; 14:10-13. There is a hint of resurrection in 2:16: “I will raise up the dead from their places and bring them out from their tombs.” Since it is followed by ethical commands, it is possible that some sort of spiritual resurrection is in mind here (the passing from death to life at the salvation, etc.) Coupled with the reference to the shepherd in 2:34, it is possible the writer has Ezekiel 34 and 37 in mind. There is a resurrection in 37:1-14 (the valley of dry bones) and the true shepherd in 34:1-19. The Christian section draws to a close with a vision of a great multitude in Zion (2:42-48). This crowd received crowns and are given palm branches by the Son of God because they have confessed him in the world (2:47). This Son of God is described briefly as a young man of great stature, taller than the rest and more exalted as well.
Proof of A Pre trib Rapture. Pay Attention to the cloud and Cloud's Jesus appears in and With. Acts chapter 1 verses 9 10 11 Cloud. In Red Luke chapter 21 verses 27 and 28 Jesus is coming in A Cloud the Rapture. In Revelation chapter 1 verse 7 Jesus is coming With the Clouds when he comes back to the MT of Olives the second coming
The Proof Is They Do Not Accept YEHOVA'S NAME And Hate It. When We Say YEHOVA Is The NAME Of Our ELOHIM And SAVIOR, They Look At Us With Hated Eyes And Say... "You Are YEHOVA'S Witnesses??..." Reading My Armenian Holy Bible, Especially The Old Testament, (TORAH) I Understood Many Realities That Have Been Kept From Us By Telling Us, That The Old Testament Does Not Belong To Us! I Found A Chapter That Says, Our SAVIOR'S NAME IS, (YEHOVA SAPAVOVT) And, HE IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL: Here The Verse: YEHOVA SAVIOR Inside (TORAH) THE LIES END; This Is The Proof From My Armenian HOLY BIBLE: Judgment Of Babylon: And I Will Not Accept Anyone's Mediation: “THE NAME OF OUR SAVIOR IS, (YEHOVA SAPAVOVT) HE IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL: ~ Isaiah 47:3-4 And In The New Testament They Erased YEHOVA'S NAME AND SALVATION, For Our Destruction And For Their Victory! Wake Up Dears, Open Your Eyes Well, The Journey Is Short. KEEP SABBATHS HOLY: Sun day 🌞 law is the Antichrist! HIS YEHOVA AND SIGN BETWEN US IS HOLY SABBATH: When He Saw Elijah, He Said To Him, “Is That You, You Troubler Of Israel?” “I Have Not Made Trouble For Israel,” Elijah replied. “But You And Your Father’s Family Have. You Have Abandoned The ELOHIM Commands And Have Followed The baals. ~ 1 Kings 18:17-18 And He Brought me into the inner court of THE ELOHIM’S HOUSE, and, behold, at the Door Of The TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, between The Porch and The Altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward THE TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. Ezekiel 8:16
Be Born Again With KEEPING The 1o Commandments; HIS ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE MOST HIGH, Our ELOHIM AND SAVIOR YEHOVA SAPAVOVT: R e p e n t… Time Is Running Out, The Whole World Is Destroyed!!! We Are To Follow The 10 Commandments, And NOT The Religion That Antichrist Made! And Don't FORGET That Important HOLY SIGN Between US And Our ELOHIM To KEEP The SABBATH HOLY As An ETERNAL COVENANT AMONG US That (YEHOVA) Is Our ELOHIM & SAVIOR: ELOHIM Is Not Man, That HE Should LIE, Or A Son Of Man, That HE Should CHANGE HIS MIND. HAS HE SAID, And WILL HE NOT DO IT? Or HAS HE SPOKEN, And WILL HE NOT FULFILL IT? ~ Numbers 23:19 Elijah On MOUNT SINAI: YEHOVA ELOHIM SAID, Yet I HAVE LEFT ME, SEVEN (7) THOUSAND ISRAEL, All The Knees Which Have Not Bowed Unto baal, And Every Mouth Which Hath Not Kissed him. ~ 1 Kings 19:18 And He Brought me into the inner court of THE ELOHIM’S HOUSE, and, behold, at the Door Of The TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, between The Porch and The Altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward THE TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. ~ Ezekiel 8:16 Let's Gooo... The Rapture Verse: Only They Will Deserve To FLY AT HARPAZO THE RAPTURE HEAVENLY EVENT IS WHO IS KEEPING THE SABBATH HOLY: HALLELUYAH And The YEHOVA SAID Unto Moses, Stretch Out Thine Hand Toward Heaven, That there May Be Darkness Over The Land Of Egypt, Even Darkness Which May Be Felt. And Moses Stretched Forth His Hand Toward Heaven; And There Was A Thick Darkness In All The Land Of Egypt 3 Days: They Saw Not One Another, Neither Rose Any From His Place For 3 Days: But ALL THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL HAD LIGHT IN THEIR DWELLINGS. ~ Exodus 10:21-23 And Moses Went Up Unto ELOHIM, And THE YEHOVA Called Unto Him Out Of The Mountain, SAYING, Thus Shalt Thou Say To The House Of Jacob, And Tell The Children Of Israel; Ye Have Seen What I DID Unto The Egyptians, And How I BARE You On Eagles' Wings, And Brought You UNTO MYSELF. Now Therefore, If Ye Will Obey MY VOICE Indeed, And Keep MY COVENANT, Then Ye Shall Be A PECULIAR TREASURE UNTO ME Above All People: For All The EARTH IS MINE: And Ye Shall Be UNTO ME A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, And AN HOLY NATION. These Are The WORDS Which Thou Shalt SPEAK Unto The Children Of Israel. ~ Exodus 19:3-6 Most HigH YEHOVA'S Will And Man's Rejection: (16) Because They Rejected MY LAWS And Did Not Follow MY Decrees And Desecrated MY SABBATHS. For Their Hearts Were Devoted To Their Idols. (19) I AM YEHOVA Your CREATOR; Follow MY Decrees And Be Careful To Keep MY LAWS. (20) Keep My SABBATHS HOLY, That They May Be A Sign Between US. Then You Will Know That I AM YEHOVA Your CREATOR. Ezekiel 20: 16, 19, 20 HalleluYAH
who is he to speak and have his words fulfilled, If The YEHOVA ELoHIM HAS Not Commanded? ~ Lamentations Jeremiah 3:37 HIS NOT: lord god mod jesus mesus: They Will Call On MY NAME, And I Will ANSWER Them: I Will Say, ‘They Are MY People,’ And They Will Say, The YEHOVA Is Our ELoHIM. ~ Zechariah 13:9 HIS Name Is “YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:” HIS ELoHIM The Most HigH Our Mighty Creator: Glory To The Alpha And Omega: Glory In The Highest Our ELoHIM And Savior: Glory To The Lion Of Judah: Praise YAH, YEHOVA, HalleluYAH: Moreover Most HigH Said To Moses, “ Thus You Shall Say To The Children Of Israel: ‘ The YEHOVA ELoHIM Of Your Fathers, The ELoHIM Of Abraham, The ELoHIM Of Isaac, And The ELoHIM Of Jacob, Has Sent Me To You. This Is MY NAME Forever, And This Is MY Memorial To All Generations. ~ Exodus 3:15 Because He Has Affection For ME, I Will Rescue Him. I Will Protect Him Because He Knows MY NAME. ~ Psalm 91:14 The Wise Will See YOUR NAME; ~ Micah 6:9 Be Proud Of HIS HOLY NAME: ~ Psalm 105:3 “You Must Not Take Up The Name Of YEHOVA Your EloHIM In A Worthless Way, For YEHOVA Will Not Leave Unpunished The One Who Takes Up HIS Name In A Worthless Way.” ~ Exodus 20:7 I Have Been "YEHOVA" Your CreatoR Ever Since The Land Of Egypt; You Know No CreatoR But ME, And No SavioR Exists Besides ME. ~ Hosea 13:4 And Everyone Who Calls On The Name Of YEHOVA Will Be Saved.”’ ~ Acts 2:21 There Is No One Who Calls YOUR NAME; To Wake Up And Find Strength In YOU. ~ Isaiah 64:7 YEHOVA Is The Same Forever: ELOHIM NAME Can’t Translated: >Names Never Translate. Your Name Is The Same In Every Language In The World.
@@robertzchannel6595 Does it give them a chance to repent and then constructive ways to make it through the Tribulation? Or do they just need to learn to die for Christ?
@@seanc2788 it's a collection of inspirational real life stories of believers that were persecuted and died a martyr's death. Unfortunately, I believe that most of the pre trib rapture people don't realize that most of church history was washed by the blood of martyrs, which includes present day believers in communist and Muslim countries. Here's an inspiring story behind "I have decided to follow Jesus." ua-cam.com/video/Iax9J4zKKjo/v-deo.html
@@robertzchannel6595 It's almost like the USA is some type of trap. The fact that we have it so good, is contrary to the entire church history as you said. People who were born in the USA are probably more likely to not be able to stand because they don't know what persecution is. My guess is that the USA gets nuked first in the red horse world war.
I was almost convinced to abandon Pretrib theology. But quiet meditation and reflection saved the day. If Christ died for my sins, why should i be beheaded for the same? It would be a case of double jeopardy. This is my understanding then.... God paid the dowry for my engagement to Christ. Christ has gone back to Abbas house to prepare a place for me/us who trust him. He will come as a thief in the night, unexpectedly and "take" us to the wedding in his "Chuppah". We will consumate the wedding, Yichud. The stained garment in Rev. 19 is proof of our chastity. He will make his triuphant return with us, the whole world will see us return. We will enter the banquet hall of the millennium for the wedding feast. The jewish virgins will be waiting for his return from the wedding. 5 will be ready, 5 will not. The gentile believers who came to believe after they witnessed the rapture, will die for their sins, because as the window of Grace was open, they failed to believe and accept Christs atonement. So, they either keep the law perfectly now or they die for their sins. They are tribulation saints or martyrs. They will serve in the Kingdom age but will not rule and reign with Christs bride. I hope ive been able to help someone, even just one person. Nobody needs to be matyred this side of Grace, although it does happen. Its the exception, not the rule. Shalom.❤🙏 😢
@handles617 Paul and the other Apostles and early saints were matyred, they were the first fruit of martyrs. Jesus resurrected with the first fruits of the dead. And we will be the first fruits of those raptured. Those that survive the tribulation will be raptured at the second coming. But, we can disagree no problem. I hold fast to the good news of the Gospel. Its a Gospel about LIFE, not Death. Choose ye today, life. A Gospel that says to look forward to martyrdom is not a Gospel at all. For the word Gospel means good news. Shalom.
What would you say to the 70 million Christians who have been martyred for their faith since the founding of the church? We saw Christians being beheading just recently with isis. Was that double jeopardy? The church has been persecuted and gone through tribulation ever since it's founding (John 16:33), and there have always been antichrists persecuting Christians (1 John 2:18). The final generation of Christians will not escape what the rest of Christians went through in history. The final generation of Christians will go through the tribulation and face the antichrist, and they will overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of their testimony. Sister I encourage you to watch some more of the episodes of this series. Joel and Dalton address your Objections.
@@annemunoru1637 the gospel is about eternal life. If it was about physical life and no martyrdom then Paul who himself brought in grace wouldn't have been martyred, neither would've the many christians of the first few centuries, nor thr many christians being killed every day. What you've just described is a very dangerous concept that only westerners would believe
Joel, your „consensus“ of the academic community says the bible is not the word of God and all scripture is more or less pseudepigraphically and written late. So bringing this as an argument against 4 Ezra is really weak….also that thing with Ken being not in line with traditional pre-trib theory, really weak argumentation. Reading the comments and talking about „saving pre-tribber“…. it is really sad to see how Christians are divided. I tell you one thing. Ken is right in many points and made incredible studies. But he is also for sure wrong in many other points. The same with you, Joel….one thing you might have in common you are both saved by Jesus? I hope it for you guys. I tell you we are all wrong and reality will unfold in a very different and surprising way. Does this part us with Jesus? Not at all. My take: Both are wrong regarding the rapture timing, it is neither pre-, post- nor mid-trib. I am going for pre-wrath according to e.g. Alan Kurschner. It makes a lot more sense than all other explanations. I hope I am still considered being saved……
" In my father's house are many mansions, if it were not so, I would have told you." ' I GO to prepare a place for you, and if I GO, I will COME BACK TO RECIEVE YOU, that where I AM, you may be also." -- JESUS very own words. This was always in the bible. The book of Enoch, was not considered Inspired by God. Early church Read the bible as is. ( JESUS WORDS ) Have not changed. The church is not Appointed to wrath. The point is THE WORDS OF JESUS.
@@paulhowson8744"eavesdrop" you're on a public forum. He has stated many times he believes we are taken up at the 7th trumpet. His position is that the wrath only begins afterwards. Therefore he does not "argue that" You should pay attention more
At first I was thinking that it was just a misunderstanding of scripture, an honest mistake. Now it seems like they're intentionally trying to mislead the flock. It's like if they're being told what to say, and not by GOD.
I beleave that our lord will reveal stuff to us when it's time to do so. We live in faith
The Holy Spirit has dealt with me concerning the Martyr ism that I personally will endure and I deem it an honor to die for Jesus Christ I will run up to it shouting his name
Clear teaching! Such a blessing. God bless and protect us in this world of chaos. Maranatha!
EVERYONE who is from God, Goes to Jesus Christ. Those who believe in him and HIS WORDS will be tested for their faith ... all people from all tongues . There is one Shepherd with one flock . We are to stay faithful even till death .
The Proof Is They Do Not Accept YEHOVA'S NAME And Hate It.
When We Say YEHOVA Is The NAME Of Our ELOHIM And SAVIOR,
They Look At Us With Hated Eyes And Say...
"You Are YEHOVA'S Witnesses??..."
Reading My Armenian Holy Bible,
Especially The Old Testament, (TORAH)
I Understood Many Realities That Have Been Kept From Us By Telling Us,
That The Old Testament Does Not Belong To Us!
I Found A Chapter That Says,
Our SAVIOR'S NAME IS,
(YEHOVA SAPAVOVT) And, HE IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL:
Here The Verse:
YEHOVA SAVIOR Inside (TORAH) THE LIES END;
This Is The Proof From My Armenian HOLY BIBLE:
Judgment Of Babylon:
And I Will Not Accept Anyone's Mediation:
“THE NAME OF OUR SAVIOR IS,
(YEHOVA SAPAVOVT)
HE IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL:
~ Isaiah 47:3-4
And In The New Testament They Erased YEHOVA'S NAME AND SALVATION,
For Our Destruction And For Their Victory!
Wake Up Dears,
Open Your Eyes Well,
The Journey Is Short.
KEEP SABBATHS HOLY:
Sun day 🌞 law is the Antichrist!
HIS YEHOVA AND SIGN BETWEN US IS HOLY SABBATH:
When He Saw Elijah, He Said To Him,
“Is That You, You Troubler Of Israel?”
“I Have Not Made Trouble For Israel,”
Elijah replied.
“But You And Your Father’s Family Have.
You Have Abandoned The ELOHIM Commands And Have Followed The baals.
~ 1 Kings 18:17-18
And He Brought me into the inner court of THE ELOHIM’S HOUSE, and, behold, at the Door Of The TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, between The Porch and The Altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward THE TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Ezekiel 8:16
who is he to speak and have his words fulfilled,
If The YEHOVA ELoHIM HAS Not Commanded?
~ Lamentations Jeremiah 3:37
HIS NOT: lord god mod jesus mesus:
They Will Call On MY NAME,
And I Will ANSWER Them:
I Will Say, ‘They Are MY People,’
And They Will Say, The YEHOVA Is Our ELoHIM.
~ Zechariah 13:9
HIS Name Is “YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:”
HIS ELoHIM The Most HigH Our Mighty Creator:
Glory To The Alpha And Omega:
Glory In The Highest Our ELoHIM And Savior:
Glory To The Lion Of Judah:
Praise YAH, YEHOVA, HalleluYAH:
Moreover Most HigH Said To Moses,
“ Thus You Shall Say To The Children Of Israel:
‘ The YEHOVA ELoHIM Of Your Fathers,
The ELoHIM Of Abraham,
The ELoHIM Of Isaac,
And The ELoHIM Of Jacob,
Has Sent Me To You.
This Is MY NAME Forever,
And This Is MY Memorial To All Generations.
~ Exodus 3:15
Because He Has Affection For ME,
I Will Rescue Him. I Will Protect Him
Because He Knows MY NAME. ~ Psalm 91:14
The Wise Will See YOUR NAME; ~ Micah 6:9
Be Proud Of HIS HOLY NAME: ~ Psalm 105:3
“You Must Not Take Up The Name Of YEHOVA Your EloHIM In A Worthless Way,
For YEHOVA Will Not Leave Unpunished The One
Who Takes Up HIS Name In A Worthless Way.”
~ Exodus 20:7
I Have Been "YEHOVA" Your CreatoR
Ever Since The Land Of Egypt;
You Know No CreatoR But ME,
And No SavioR Exists Besides ME.
~ Hosea 13:4
And Everyone Who Calls On The Name Of YEHOVA Will Be Saved.”’
~ Acts 2:21
There Is No One Who Calls YOUR NAME;
To Wake Up And Find Strength In YOU.
~ Isaiah 64:7
YEHOVA Is The Same Forever:
ELOHIM NAME Can’t Translated:
>Names Never Translate.
Your Name Is The Same In Every Language In The World.
Great points!!! I'm so thankful for this series! 🙏
Thank you again Joel!
Maranatha from Houston, TX
Thank you for the clarity. It's necessary for our brothers and sisters to learn the truth and to be prepared for the coming woes
I totally agree that there is no pre-tribulation rapture. However I would caution everyone to not rest too much on academia either. Pharisees Sadducees and scribes, those we do not want to be as we shall have no other gods before Him. That includes some of the over arched academia these days. Blessings.
I get that vibe from the many amillenial proponents out there.
True. I understand sometimes we need to learn what some "human sources" have said about biblical topics to deal with people who quote those sources in their arguments. But at the same time, it also feels like a waste of time since our priority or main source of wisdom should be the words of God themselves. The other out-of-bible sources seem to be distractions sometimes. Also, God does not need us to be scholars or experts so that we can be able to read and understand the bible. If that was the case, He would not tell parents to teach His commandments to their children and their children's children.
Thanks for another fine production!
I am dumbfounded when I hear Pre tribbers quite happily and straight faced saying planes will fall out of the sky and vehicles and trains will kill people. Horrified that believers in Christ are happy with innocent lives dying in the rapture . With no apparent care, least of which that those non believers killed have no chance to accept Christ during the Tribulation.
Pre-trib uses the 1 hour theory to say it's for a 7 year time frame. However, when Jesus said to the disciples in the Garden of Gethsemane "Could you not watch with me 1 hour" he meant 1 hour not 7 years.
So you believe that the majority of the book of Revelation happens in the span of 1 hour?
Did you read the passages mentioning 1260 days? Equaling 3.5 years. Mentioned Twice.
Daniel is echoing this, in Daniel 9. The 70th week of years (7 years)
Not agreeing or disagreeing. Just to say that 1 day can mean both A day or 1000 years. The contexts usually give us clues of what the word or number means. On the other hand, it can mean both.
For example, God said to Adam that he was gonna die on the day he ate the fruit but the bible says Adam lives 930 years and died. Did God lie to Adam? No way! Because Adam did die on the very day he ate the fruit. That's what it meas to "fall short of the glory of God". That spiritual reality manifests itself physically too but, the timing of its materialization is not necessarily the same. However, Adam did die on the 1st millennium which can be just 1 day to God. The same theory applies to the hours. 🙂
@@MO-cr8tt I understand your point. To be clear, I did the math of a thousand years representing a 24 hour day. 12 hours is 500 years. 6 hours is 250 years. An hour is over 41 years. The 7 year time frame of the Tribulation if indeed applicable would be a perfect fit and it's obviously not when we're left with an unwieldy 41 years, whereas Adam died within the thousand year/1 day time frame which does indeed fit. I believe the hour is in real time in Revelation and lines up with the highly visible return of Christ event in 2 Peter chapter 3.
I think the MOST concerning fruit of the pre-trib rapture is the hope and longing for the rapture verses the hope and longing for Jesus and the desire to endure with him until the end as He sees fit NOT our carnal flesh. Finding peace and confidence in HIM our living Hope verses a rapture theory… in the words of our Lord you will know a tree by its fruit. Observe the fruit of the trees of pre, mid and post rapture theories and decide with the guidance of Holy Spirit through the Word….His Sheep hear His voice.…
Blessings on us all to love one another deeply from the heart verses judging one another based upon theories. 1Peter 4:7-8
I am not sure I get this. I see good fruit coming from all true Bible believing Christians regardless of their rapture view. From my reading of the Bible, I find the rapture view slightly more compelling than others. From my personal point of view I find it a LOT more compelling. Why? Because I know how weak I am. I also know that I am saved. I know there is a good chance that I take the mark to protect my family so that they don't have to take it. Yet Jesus promised that one is saved via His grace and yet those that take the mark will all perish. This doesn't make sense to me and hence my only thinking is that we won't be here during the Tribulation. Not taking the mark is a work - and we are not saved by works.
@thisismonitor4099 you are saved by faith but if your faith has no works then your faith is dead. This means real faith produces works. If you deny him he will deny you.
The mentality you have is the mentality of someone that does not understand persecution that many millions of Christians have already today
@@handles617 having been in the house churches in China and having relatives who are currently being persecuted for their faith, I agree with you and agree that works do come after conversion. But not all Christians show all works. that doesn't mean that their works are bad. But not taking the mark is a specific work that will be required under extreme pressure and I am not confident that I will not buckle. I am indeed a very weak Christian, but according to the Bible I am indeed still a Christian.
@@thisismonitor4099ask God for strength to endure until the end, do not think that you can take the mark and be saved; that is not biblical. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved. "To live is Christ, to die is gain." ☝️🙂
@@thisismonitor4099 Remember Luke 14:26 when tempted to "take the mark to protect my family so that they don't have to take it.”
Great teaching btw. I've been following all your teachings on this subject. I've been post for 12 years...Joe Schimmel of Goodfight is an awesome servant as well. I'm brushing up and really loving what the Word says about The Day of The Lord. Easter and the Sabbath as well.
Thx
Thank you Joel for covering 1 Enoch. It is one of the books besides Isaiah that contain the most Messianic prophecies. It even supports what you wrote about in Sinai To Zion. It would be very interesting to have a series covering the full book of 1 Enoch (I personally consider 2 Enoch and 3 Enoch as being demonically inspired).
I have my reservation about all of those books. For starters, where is the gospel therein?
@@metapolitikgedanken612 yes those books were left out of the Bible for a reason, not because of some Canon
Summit majority but because God got through to one of those "priests" present as to which which books are in and which are not. Something as important as this was not left up to man to decide. God surely had influence.
@@metapolitikgedanken612the Book of Enoch is in the Ethiopian Bible.
@@christincommon5496 Interesting. And who wrote it?
@@metapolitikgedanken612 it is my understanding that, like Genesis (started by Moses and finished by another), it was started by Enoch and finished by another.
The Post Trib return of our Great God should be the subject. His appearing!!!
1 Peter 1:3
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, Yeshua is our living hope!!!
These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me ye might have peace. *In the world ye shall have tribulation:* but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. (John 16:33)
*Immediately after the tribulation* of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. *And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall ‘gather together His elect’ from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.* (Matthew 24:29-31)
For then shall be *GREAT TRIBULATION,* such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. (Matthew 24:21-22)
@@theendtimesarehere Yep, we will indeed experience it. Maybe if you actually engaged in discussion, rather than mass copy and paste, a real understanding could be established.
Hey, Joel!
I noticed that many Christians (both pre and post tribs), especially pre-tribers are not aware of or do not understand the mystery of God revealed through the 2 houses of Israel; how it started, how it progressed and how it ends.
I haven’t heard you talk about that either.
Learning about it is one of the keys to understand so many of God's words that sound so confusing or in conflict with some other biblical texts.
We get a more deep understanding, for example, of some parables of Jesus or Paul’s words. Even some small details in the book of revelation become greatly important and make things (such as the witnesses, the virgins, the 144k) more clear.
Have you heard people say “Follow the money”?
So, I’d suggest you to follow the “blessing of Shem” or the “primogeniture blessing” through the 2 houses of Israel, starting from Jacob’s dream.
If you already know what I mean, would you mind making a video about it?
That’d be nice for people to know.
There is a lot of misconceptions taught about these things.
@@JoelRichardson I don't know the message behind this response.
@MO-cr8tt is that the real Joel commenting back to u?
Which two houses?
Jesus said himself...he who endureth (survive) to the end shall be saved
When “Christians” forsook pre-tribulation for post-tribulation error, their entire eschatology goes haywire.
"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." {Hebrews 9:28 KJV}
The Proof Is They Do Not Accept YEHOVA'S NAME And Hate It.
When We Say YEHOVA Is The NAME Of Our ELOHIM And SAVIOR,
They Look At Us With Hated Eyes And Say...
"You Are YEHOVA'S Witnesses??..."
Reading My Armenian Holy Bible,
Especially The Old Testament, (TORAH)
I Understood Many Realities That Have Been Kept From Us By Telling Us,
That The Old Testament Does Not Belong To Us!
I Found A Chapter That Says,
Our SAVIOR'S NAME IS,
(YEHOVA SAPAVOVT) And, HE IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL:
Here The Verse:
YEHOVA SAVIOR Inside (TORAH) THE LIES END;
This Is The Proof From My Armenian HOLY BIBLE:
Judgment Of Babylon:
And I Will Not Accept Anyone's Mediation:
“THE NAME OF OUR SAVIOR IS,
(YEHOVA SAPAVOVT)
HE IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL:
~ Isaiah 47:3-4
And In The New Testament They Erased YEHOVA'S NAME AND SALVATION,
For Our Destruction And For Their Victory!
Wake Up Dears,
Open Your Eyes Well,
The Journey Is Short.
KEEP SABBATHS HOLY:
Sun day 🌞 law is the Antichrist!
HIS YEHOVA AND SIGN BETWEN US IS HOLY SABBATH:
When He Saw Elijah, He Said To Him,
“Is That You, You Troubler Of Israel?”
“I Have Not Made Trouble For Israel,”
Elijah replied.
“But You And Your Father’s Family Have.
You Have Abandoned The ELOHIM Commands And Have Followed The baals.
~ 1 Kings 18:17-18
And He Brought me into the inner court of THE ELOHIM’S HOUSE, and, behold, at the Door Of The TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, between The Porch and The Altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward THE TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Ezekiel 8:16
Be Born Again With KEEPING The 1o Commandments;
HIS ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE MOST HIGH,
Our ELOHIM AND SAVIOR YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:
R e p e n t…
Time Is Running Out,
The Whole World Is Destroyed!!!
We Are To Follow The 10 Commandments,
And NOT The Religion That Antichrist Made!
And Don't FORGET That Important HOLY SIGN Between US And Our ELOHIM To KEEP The SABBATH HOLY As An ETERNAL COVENANT AMONG US That (YEHOVA) Is Our ELOHIM & SAVIOR:
ELOHIM Is Not Man, That HE Should LIE,
Or A Son Of Man, That HE Should CHANGE HIS MIND.
HAS HE SAID, And WILL HE NOT DO IT?
Or HAS HE SPOKEN, And WILL HE NOT FULFILL IT?
~ Numbers 23:19
Elijah On MOUNT SINAI:
YEHOVA ELOHIM SAID,
Yet I HAVE LEFT ME,
SEVEN (7) THOUSAND ISRAEL,
All The Knees Which Have Not Bowed Unto baal,
And Every Mouth Which Hath Not Kissed him.
~ 1 Kings 19:18
And He Brought me into the inner court of THE ELOHIM’S HOUSE, and, behold, at the Door Of The TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, between The Porch and The Altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward THE TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
~ Ezekiel 8:16
Let's Gooo...
The Rapture Verse:
Only They Will Deserve To FLY AT HARPAZO THE RAPTURE HEAVENLY EVENT IS WHO IS KEEPING THE SABBATH HOLY:
HALLELUYAH
And The YEHOVA SAID Unto Moses,
Stretch Out Thine Hand Toward Heaven,
That there May Be Darkness Over The Land Of Egypt, Even Darkness Which May Be Felt.
And Moses Stretched Forth His Hand Toward Heaven;
And There Was A Thick Darkness In All The Land Of Egypt 3 Days:
They Saw Not One Another,
Neither Rose Any From His Place For 3 Days:
But
ALL THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL HAD LIGHT IN THEIR DWELLINGS.
~ Exodus 10:21-23
And Moses Went Up Unto ELOHIM,
And THE YEHOVA Called Unto Him Out Of The Mountain, SAYING,
Thus Shalt Thou Say To The House Of Jacob, And Tell The Children Of Israel;
Ye Have Seen What I DID Unto The Egyptians, And How I BARE You On Eagles' Wings,
And Brought You UNTO MYSELF.
Now Therefore,
If Ye Will Obey MY VOICE Indeed,
And Keep MY COVENANT,
Then Ye Shall Be A PECULIAR TREASURE UNTO ME Above All People:
For All The EARTH IS MINE:
And Ye Shall Be UNTO ME A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, And AN HOLY NATION.
These Are The WORDS Which Thou Shalt SPEAK Unto The Children Of Israel.
~ Exodus 19:3-6
Most HigH YEHOVA'S Will And Man's Rejection:
(16) Because They Rejected MY LAWS And Did Not Follow MY Decrees And Desecrated
MY SABBATHS. For Their Hearts Were Devoted
To Their Idols.
(19) I AM YEHOVA Your CREATOR;
Follow MY Decrees And Be Careful To Keep MY
LAWS.
(20) Keep My SABBATHS HOLY, That They May Be A Sign Between US. Then You Will Know That I AM YEHOVA Your CREATOR.
Ezekiel 20: 16, 19, 20
HalleluYAH
who is he to speak and have his words fulfilled,
If The YEHOVA ELoHIM HAS Not Commanded?
~ Lamentations Jeremiah 3:37
HIS NOT: lord god mod jesus mesus:
They Will Call On MY NAME,
And I Will ANSWER Them:
I Will Say, ‘They Are MY People,’
And They Will Say, The YEHOVA Is Our ELoHIM.
~ Zechariah 13:9
HIS Name Is “YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:”
HIS ELoHIM The Most HigH Our Mighty Creator:
Glory To The Alpha And Omega:
Glory In The Highest Our ELoHIM And Savior:
Glory To The Lion Of Judah:
Praise YAH, YEHOVA, HalleluYAH:
Moreover Most HigH Said To Moses,
“ Thus You Shall Say To The Children Of Israel:
‘ The YEHOVA ELoHIM Of Your Fathers,
The ELoHIM Of Abraham,
The ELoHIM Of Isaac,
And The ELoHIM Of Jacob,
Has Sent Me To You.
This Is MY NAME Forever,
And This Is MY Memorial To All Generations.
~ Exodus 3:15
Because He Has Affection For ME,
I Will Rescue Him. I Will Protect Him
Because He Knows MY NAME. ~ Psalm 91:14
The Wise Will See YOUR NAME; ~ Micah 6:9
Be Proud Of HIS HOLY NAME: ~ Psalm 105:3
“You Must Not Take Up The Name Of YEHOVA Your EloHIM In A Worthless Way,
For YEHOVA Will Not Leave Unpunished The One
Who Takes Up HIS Name In A Worthless Way.”
~ Exodus 20:7
I Have Been "YEHOVA" Your CreatoR
Ever Since The Land Of Egypt;
You Know No CreatoR But ME,
And No SavioR Exists Besides ME.
~ Hosea 13:4
And Everyone Who Calls On The Name Of YEHOVA Will Be Saved.”’
~ Acts 2:21
There Is No One Who Calls YOUR NAME;
To Wake Up And Find Strength In YOU.
~ Isaiah 64:7
YEHOVA Is The Same Forever:
ELOHIM NAME Can’t Translated:
>Names Never Translate.
Your Name Is The Same In Every Language In The World.
Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon His name. *And they shall be Mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up My jewels* 💎; *and I will spare them,* as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God, and him that serveth Him not. (Malachi 3:16-18)
*Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? For riches* 💎 *certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven.* (Proverbs 23:5)
*The Lord knoweth how to ‘deliver the godly’ out of temptations,* and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished. (2 Peter 2:9)
And to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus, *which ‘delivered us’ from the wrath to come.* (1 Thessalonians 1:10)
*For God hath not appointed us to wrath,* but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thessalonians 5:9)
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: *and at that time thy people shall be delivered,* every one that shall be found written in the book. (Daniel 12:1)
Interesting you choose verses 16-18 but not 1-3, which, state ""behold, HE IS COMING" says the Lord of armies. "But WHO CAN ENDURE THE DAY OF HIS COMING? AND WHO CAN STAND WHEN HE APPEARS?"
Which is a parallel verse to revelation 6:16-17 when the 6th seal is opened
""Fall on us and hide us from the sight of Him who sits on the throne, and from the WRATH OF THE LAMB; for the GREAT DAY OF THEIR WRATH HAS COME, and WHO IS ABLE TO STAND?"
matthew 24:29-31 and the 6th seal signs itself are also parallel
""But immediately after the tribulation of those days the SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL FROM THE SKY"
"and the sun became as black as sackloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth"
and Joel 2:31
"The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the COMING OF THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD."
Very clear to see that the day of the lord, wrath of the lamb begin with the signs in the skies after the 6th seal is opened and this is the end of the tribulation
You quote a verse about us being spared...the problem is that we dont disagree with you. You just dont understand what were arguing.
The topic of when the rapture will happen runs much deeper than why a believer is pre-trib rapture, mid-trib, or post-trib.
The real issue with this topic is whether or not a professing believer is a true disciple of Christ.
A disciple of Christ takes-up his cross/forsakes all to follow Him. On the other hand, there are many professing believers who pick and choose what, when, and how to forsake; worse yet, such even pursue earthly prosperity. There is no real surrender. It makes sense that many of these kind of believers strongly embrace the pre-tribulation rapture idea.
Good stuff
Ok we will be here during Tribulation….I got that, but concerning The Great Day or that hour, we’re not appointed unto that final wrath. That’s why I’m a mid trib. Still….my head will roll 💯
That's not what post trib believes
Watch Brenda Weltner! She breaks down how the tribulation isn’t 7 years and the wrath and the great day and all of that are separate. She believes in 3 raptures!
@@ElleKay4Life There's definitely not 3 raptures. This is just more nonsense brought to you by the mere existence of pre trib doctrine.
Yeah I listened to a few of her episodes and she's way out of line.IMO. Pray for discernment if your going to listen to her.
@@ElleKay4Life your Brenda Weltner doesn't know what she is talking about , read the WORDS of CHRIST as recorded in Mathew 24 , Luke 21 , Daniel 7 etc. Revelation ---&
Hey, Joel!
I’m not sure whether or not you’ve made a special video about the “claim” or “belief” that the words in the bible are inspired by God and how men were able to decide which scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit and which ones were not, and why some of the so called “apocryphals” are not considered “inspired” by some denominations or religious groups but they’re believed to be God’s words by others.
How can we be sure that the men in the past (ones we never met personally) chose the right books really inspired by the Almighty One for the biblical compilation?
Have you thought that the only reason why we believe the book of revelation is inspired by God is because it is included in the “oficial” compilation?
What if those men had decided that Genesis was not inspired by God and took it out of the bible? Would we still see the book as we do today?
I’d like to know what you know and think about that.
I don’t know all the apocryphal ones but I know that there were a few things in the bible that started make sense to me after information from the book of Enoch and the book of jubilees.
I have read a great portion of the book of jasar and lots of info in it are very interesting but I haven’t felt about it the same intelectual comfort I had from the books of Enoch and jubilees.
I’d suggest everyone to read them but only after studying the regular bible.
I find it rather tiresome that the "Rapture" is the object of our affection rather than the appearing of our Great God and savior Yeshua. The rapture is just incidental to his return . the blessed hope is eternal life at his appearing and not the rapture.
But people who have no intention of enduring tribulation or persecution for His name's sake NEED to believe in it. Otherwise, they have to face the fact their names will be removed from the book of life.
Instead of asking the Lord to prepare them to endure until the end, they'd rather just twist scripture to convince themselves Jesus would NEVER allow His followers to be tortured or killed.
Preach Brother Preach
Also regarding the books in the Bible. Let’s not be too blinded that man has had his hand in that since day one. Yahuah’s word and truth will always come through no matter what man tries, but man of course has always been out to deceive God’s people.
The promise of God gathering His people goes all the way back to Deut 30, but dispensationalism(which divorces the front of the bible from the back) blinds one from this fact.
I don't put stock in Apocrypha anyway..
I believe this. I have read the Books of Enoch. My question is how will the pre tribulation believers be affected by not getting it before Christ's coming? Will they not go to heaven because they don't understand scripture but believe in Jesus? A question many say to me when I tell them that pre-tribulation isn't found. Just curious
One's view on the rapture does not affect their Salvation. Faith in the atoning work of Jesus is what saves us. Whether someone is pre, mid or post, they are saved if they are in Christ and will be glorified with Jesus at His coming.
The effect is on if they are able to keep their faith in the face of such deep persecution. If they expect God to escape them and He doesn't, what do you think that'll do to their faith when they face intense persecution that they didn't expect to go through?
@@judethaddeus8610 he said, endure to the end and you'll be saved. Might not be this exact wording but is what we do in faith.
@@mimster58 you're right my dear sister, we have to endure to the end, it is the endurance of the saints that is consistently called for throughout the scriptures. May the Lord help us both to endure so that we'll partake of the first resurrection and enter into His rest in Jesus name, amen
We count the 7 Sabbaths after the 7 Day feast of Unleavened bread to locate Shavuot, the festival of First-fruits of harvest. This is how it's recorded in the book of Jubilees. These truths are ALSO in our own Bibles.
In the Leviticus text below I've inserted this Year's Feast Dates, using the Torah Calendar to locate Passover, Feast of Unleavened bread, Shavuot and Pentecost.
The Torah Calendar is a Month off. So the 2nd Month is the correct 1st Month of the Hebrew New Year.
"On the fourteenth day [5 May] of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. And on the fifteenth day [6 May] of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days [6-12 May] you must eat unleavened bread. On the first day [6 May] you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord for seven days [6-12 May]. The seventh day [12 May: special Sabbath Day of rest] shall be a holy convocation...He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day [13 May] after the Sabbath [12 May] the priest shall wave it...And you shall count for yourselves from the day [13 May at Sunset] after the Sabbath [12 May], from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths [20, 28 May, 4, 11, 18, 27 June, 4 July] shall be completed. Count fifty days [5 July - 23 August, 23 August being Pentecost] to the day [5 July] after the seventh Sabbath [4th July:Shavuot]; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the Lord." [Lev.23:5-8, 11, 15,16]
Is Shavuot, the 4th of July, 2023, the LAST DAY the Lord often spoke about? Yes it is!
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up AT THE LAST DAY. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY.” [John 6:39,40]
Day 8, 15, 22 and 29 of the Torah Calendar Months are ALWAYS Sabbath Days. Sometime these Dates fall on Saturday or Sunday on our pagan Gregorian Calendar at other times they don't. Whether they do or don't is irrelevant to God's Timeline.
The 4th of July 2023 is Shavuot. This Date falls on Day 15 Month 3.
Tuesday, the 4th of July, IS the LAST DAY that will END a 7 Day week that will begin on Wednesday the 28th of June 2023.
This will be our LAST WEEK on earth before receiving our glorified bodies!
OUR LAST MONTH [20 June], LAST WEEK [28 June] AND LAST DAY [4 July] ARE COUNTING DOWN BEFORE OUR VERY EYES!!!
The 4th of July is a Sabbath day regardless of what day of the week it falls on in the Gregorian pagan Calendar. Contrary to what many believe the Lord is NOT using the Gregorian Calendar to mark time.
Shavuot and Pentecost are not the same festivals. Shavuot is the Day of Ascension. Pentecost is 50 days later.
Many assumptions and errors have made it difficult to pin point the Day of the Rapture UNTIL NOW!!! What do we now know?
The Lord died on the cross in 30 AD.
The Lord's birthday is on Shavuot on Day 15 Month 3.
The Lord ascended up into heaven on His birthday on Shavuot on Day 15 Month 3 in 30 AD.
The Torah Calendar is a Month off. The Sun MUST be in the Constellation of Aries to begin the Hebrew Year.
Day 1 of Month 1 fell correctly on the 22nd of April 2023
Passover was on the 5th of May.
The Feast of Unleavened bread ended on the 13th of May.
We must then count off 7 Sabbaths to locate Shavuot
20, 28 May, 4, 11, 18, 27 June, 4 July.
The 7th Sabbath falls on Tuesday the 4th of July 2023 on our Gregorian Calendar.
This is Shavuot also known as the festival of First-fruits of Harvest. This is when I'm expecting the Rapture to occur!
Pentecost is 50 days later on 23rd of August.
Idk why you'd call the gregorian pagan, when it was clearly put in place by christians and is obviously more accurate for defining seasons by being based on the sun, compared to any calendar based on the moon..
@@handles617 The days of the week are named after pagan gods. This is why you won't find a single one named in the Scripture! The origin of these pagan names was Babylon. In AD 321 the Emperor Constantine decreed that Sunday should be the day of rest for Christians, to separate them from the Jews. Just because Christians adopt pagan names into their calendar doesn't make it right! This is why most Christians don't know what days of the Month are the Sabbath Days of rest. Days of the week should remain numbered.
@dunamis333 idk what your point is. The calendar the Israelis used would've predated their own ancient nation, which makes it canaanite in nature, therefore likely deriving from ancient babylon to begin with. They didn't all use the moon by coincidence.
As for the sabbath, Paul himself said it didn't matter what day you celebrated on and were a shadow of things to come.
Joel allow us to read the full contexts of the quotes you use it’s hard to absorb the contexts when you do the same as your correcting. Let us read the full material then dissect. Love your teaching.
What about Luke 21:36
“Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.””
Luke 21:36 NKJV
It sounds like to me that Jesus was talking about the tribulation at the beginning of Luke 21, then talking about Israel, who is the fig tree, then Jesus says watch, therefore and pray always that you would be counted worthy to escape these things coming to pass and to stand before the son of man. And then to also add to this understanding is 1st Thessalonians 4 and 5.
How do you not see a pre trib rapture? We are not appointed to Gods wrath 1Thess 5:9.
Then what does this verse mean, then👆🏻
According to 1 Thessalonians 5:9 in the King James Version of the Bible, God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to obtain salvation through Jesus Christ
The passage starts at verse 34
"But be on your *guard*, so that your hearts will not be *weighed down* with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that this day will not come on you *suddenly* like a *trap*;
for it will come upon *all* those who live on the face of all the earth
But *stay alert* at all times, praying that you will have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
What he is saying here is similar to his prayer in john 17: 15-20, where he prays that they are not taken out of the world but kept from the evil one. That they should not physically escape, but spiritually. Jesus is saying pray that you have the *strength*. It is not physical but spiritual.
As for 1thess 5: 9
It's not a rapture verse and many pre trib will agree. He moved on by that moment to the topic of salvation. this is similar to john 3 36 "he who believes in the son has eternal life, but he who does not obey the son will not see life, but the wrath of god abides on him"
It's eternal wrath not a physical wrath. This actually wouldn't matter anyways since both pre wrath and post trib agree we do not experience the wrath. Most pre tribbers just don't understand the argument they're against.
Tribulation and wrath are not the same thing.
42 months are appointed for antichrist to wage war against the saints. Daniel 7:21-28, Revelation 13:5-7.
This is the great tribulation Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15-22. It is not God's wrath, actually the opposite. Revelation 12:12-17.
God's wrath and day of vengeance commences on the 'Day of the Lord' after the tribulation. Matthew 24:29-31. With signs in sun, moon, and stars. Luke 21:25-28, Isaiah 13:6-10, Isaiah 34:4-8, Joel 2:31-32.
There's a redemption and deliverance on this day for "whoever calls upon the name of the Lord."
A 'rest' for believers comes on this day when Jesus is revealed from heaven with mighty angels in flaming fire to take vengeance. 2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10
"Pray that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that are coming to pass and to stand before the Son of Man." Luke 21:36
Revelation 6:17 "Who is able to stand?"
Revelation 7:9
Psalm 76:7-10
Psalm 5:5
Psalm 24:3-6
"The Lord sent from above, He took me, He drew me out of many waters." Psalm 18:16
"Many waters"
Revelation 17:1-2, 15
Revelation 18:4
"Come out of her"
Isaiah 52:10-12
"Go out of the midst of her"
"The Lord will go before you and the God of Israel will be your rear guard."
Exodus 14:19-21
But did Israel who fled Egypt go into the mountain of the Lord or did they wander in the desert for 40 years and die?
Exodus 15:16-17
Who does go into the mountain of His inheritence? His dwelling.
Hebrews 12:18-24
Psalm 24:3-6
John 14
There's a Shepherd to lead them; an innumerable multitude. Has a name like 'Joshua' or 'Yeshua'... Jesus.
John 10:1-6
Numbers 27:15-18
1st Kings 3:8-10
Revelation 7:9, 17
Like the Jews in Goshen, we will have supernatural protection IF we’re here. No one really know for sure.
Certainly we can know ... read Psalm 91 to see for yourself. Maranatha !!!
I have found that several other teachings that prop up the pre trib rapture are also false. It really is a system (dispensationalism) of error propping up the pre trib rapture.
I forgot the other guys name, but he had L.A. Marzulli on a long ways back,.. discussing nephilim and the alien agenda (another important topic neglected in the church)
Anyway, i ended up chatting with him in emails about the rapture. Or rather i brought it up, and he wanted no part in a friendly discussion.
He's an ardent adherent to pretrib .
Anything opposing that is not up for discussion.
I find that often among pretibbers. I know its not all, but more often than not... they get upset or shut down.
Fascinating to say the least. Maybe someone can chime in and school me with some psychological reasoning.
I mean that sincerely.
Id like a better approach to discussion that can bypass that....if indeed it can be
For me, my Lord is Clear...Matthew Chapter 13 and John Chapter 6...verses 39-40, 44 and 54 kjv. Why would you NOT believe the Son of God? He can tell NO LIES!
It was the Son of God who said “after the tribulation” in three different accounts of the olivet discourse. Paul confirms this in 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-3.
@@houseontherock8345 So, it is the end, the last day!
Can you make a video on Luke 21:36? I hear that verse and Revelation 3:10 the most! 😭
How about Revelation 2:10 along side Revelation 3:10
@@nelsongagne9142 That's what I normally say, but Luke 21:36 is trickier.
I'm not understanding, to "escape all things and stand before the Lord" is referring to being raptured, not being victorious in the midst of trials through His blood and the word of our testimony? If so, what strength is needed for that?
@nelsongagne9142 I think there's several ways to interpret the passage besides a pretribulation rapture, but convincing others is a lot harder. They hear "escape all these things," and that's all they need! 😭 To be fair, pretrib preachers teach the passage that way, and most people don't study the Bible for themselves, so it's frustrating to try and talk to people about pretrib errors without disarming the way they use proof texts first. I can quote 10 verses, but they will just keep repeating Revelation 3:10 and Luke 21:36 with zero reflection on what I'm saying. 🥺
I know, right! I live in the south - country town in the bible belt, and I have not found one church where I simply have to silently disagree on the day of the Lord. It's all about pretrib and focus on the antichrist, not the glorious return of the Messiah!
I could accept the idea of a pre trib rapture if that meant to die before the trib. Because in that sense, yes, death raptures us before the antichrist is revealed. And in that sense, we all should live each day as if it was the day of the rapture.
Don’t understand why so many try to discredit the Rapture..it’s like the side that believes the one and the sides that doesn’t just causes discourse. Just live for the LORD and move on..
Because the pre trib rapture is heavily pushed by mostly american fundamentalists, and is a very new doctrine in reality. Its also very dangerous if its WRONG
It is right and proper to discredit ALL false teachings, every single one. Even in Paul's day we can see in some of his epistles how he exposes and rebukes false teachers that arise among the people. To NOT do this is to let people end up in hell because of faulty understanding. I hope you now understand. Maranatha !!!
Those that pick Bible verses out of context to make a new doctrine are deceiving God's people and need to be exposed. When the pre-tribulation doesn't happen I believe there will be a great falling away as they weren't ready to endure until the end. Read Matthew 24.
@@wendyhall8645 That's what I've been thinking for years. When millions of believers cling to the hope that God will grant them a Great Escape from the times of trouble, but then they see the Great Reset and many of our freedoms taken, they see the coalition of the armies of the north invade Israel, they see the Antichrist appear and take control, but Jesus doesn't. At that point, I'm sure many of us sold on the pre-Trib Rapture will be extremely discouraged and open to the doctrines of demons espoused by the AC and False Prophet.
Could you explain Matt 25:31-32 separation of sheep and goat, where it fits in relating to the rapture?
who is he to speak and have his words fulfilled,
If The YEHOVA ELoHIM HAS Not Commanded?
~ Lamentations Jeremiah 3:37
HIS NOT: lord god mod jesus mesus:
They Will Call On MY NAME,
And I Will ANSWER Them:
I Will Say, ‘They Are MY People,’
And They Will Say, The YEHOVA Is Our ELoHIM.
~ Zechariah 13:9
HIS Name Is “YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:”
HIS ELoHIM The Most HigH Our Mighty Creator:
Glory To The Alpha And Omega:
Glory In The Highest Our ELoHIM And Savior:
Glory To The Lion Of Judah:
Praise YAH, YEHOVA, HalleluYAH:
Moreover Most HigH Said To Moses,
“ Thus You Shall Say To The Children Of Israel:
‘ The YEHOVA ELoHIM Of Your Fathers,
The ELoHIM Of Abraham,
The ELoHIM Of Isaac,
And The ELoHIM Of Jacob,
Has Sent Me To You.
This Is MY NAME Forever,
And This Is MY Memorial To All Generations.
~ Exodus 3:15
Because He Has Affection For ME,
I Will Rescue Him. I Will Protect Him
Because He Knows MY NAME. ~ Psalm 91:14
The Wise Will See YOUR NAME; ~ Micah 6:9
Be Proud Of HIS HOLY NAME: ~ Psalm 105:3
“You Must Not Take Up The Name Of YEHOVA Your EloHIM In A Worthless Way,
For YEHOVA Will Not Leave Unpunished The One
Who Takes Up HIS Name In A Worthless Way.”
~ Exodus 20:7
I Have Been "YEHOVA" Your CreatoR
Ever Since The Land Of Egypt;
You Know No CreatoR But ME,
And No SavioR Exists Besides ME.
~ Hosea 13:4
And Everyone Who Calls On The Name Of YEHOVA Will Be Saved.”’
~ Acts 2:21
There Is No One Who Calls YOUR NAME;
To Wake Up And Find Strength In YOU.
~ Isaiah 64:7
YEHOVA Is The Same Forever:
ELOHIM NAME Can’t Translated:
>Names Never Translate.
Your Name Is The Same In Every Language In The World.
Be Born Again With KEEPING The 1o Commandments;
HIS ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE MOST HIGH,
Our ELOHIM AND SAVIOR YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:
R e p e n t…
Time Is Running Out,
The Whole World Is Destroyed!!!
We Are To Follow The 10 Commandments,
And NOT The Religion That Antichrist Made!
And Don't FORGET That Important HOLY SIGN Between US And Our ELOHIM To KEEP The SABBATH HOLY As An ETERNAL COVENANT AMONG US That (YEHOVA) Is Our ELOHIM & SAVIOR:
ELOHIM Is Not Man, That HE Should LIE,
Or A Son Of Man, That HE Should CHANGE HIS MIND.
HAS HE SAID, And WILL HE NOT DO IT?
Or HAS HE SPOKEN, And WILL HE NOT FULFILL IT?
~ Numbers 23:19
Elijah On MOUNT SINAI:
YEHOVA ELOHIM SAID,
Yet I HAVE LEFT ME,
SEVEN (7) THOUSAND ISRAEL,
All The Knees Which Have Not Bowed Unto baal,
And Every Mouth Which Hath Not Kissed him.
~ 1 Kings 19:18
And He Brought me into the inner court of THE ELOHIM’S HOUSE, and, behold, at the Door Of The TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, between The Porch and The Altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward THE TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
~ Ezekiel 8:16
Let's Gooo...
The Rapture Verse:
Only They Will Deserve To FLY AT HARPAZO THE RAPTURE HEAVENLY EVENT IS WHO IS KEEPING THE SABBATH HOLY:
HALLELUYAH
And The YEHOVA SAID Unto Moses,
Stretch Out Thine Hand Toward Heaven,
That there May Be Darkness Over The Land Of Egypt, Even Darkness Which May Be Felt.
And Moses Stretched Forth His Hand Toward Heaven;
And There Was A Thick Darkness In All The Land Of Egypt 3 Days:
They Saw Not One Another,
Neither Rose Any From His Place For 3 Days:
But
ALL THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL HAD LIGHT IN THEIR DWELLINGS.
~ Exodus 10:21-23
And Moses Went Up Unto ELOHIM,
And THE YEHOVA Called Unto Him Out Of The Mountain, SAYING,
Thus Shalt Thou Say To The House Of Jacob, And Tell The Children Of Israel;
Ye Have Seen What I DID Unto The Egyptians, And How I BARE You On Eagles' Wings,
And Brought You UNTO MYSELF.
Now Therefore,
If Ye Will Obey MY VOICE Indeed,
And Keep MY COVENANT,
Then Ye Shall Be A PECULIAR TREASURE UNTO ME Above All People:
For All The EARTH IS MINE:
And Ye Shall Be UNTO ME A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, And AN HOLY NATION.
These Are The WORDS Which Thou Shalt SPEAK Unto The Children Of Israel.
~ Exodus 19:3-6
Most HigH YEHOVA'S Will And Man's Rejection:
(16) Because They Rejected MY LAWS And Did Not Follow MY Decrees And Desecrated
MY SABBATHS. For Their Hearts Were Devoted
To Their Idols.
(19) I AM YEHOVA Your CREATOR;
Follow MY Decrees And Be Careful To Keep MY
LAWS.
(20) Keep My SABBATHS HOLY, That They May Be A Sign Between US. Then You Will Know That I AM YEHOVA Your CREATOR.
Ezekiel 20: 16, 19, 20
HalleluYAH
@@THEHIGHESTYEHOVA In your Bible, what is Yahovah’s son name?
In the book 'Which Bible ' it was argued that the translators of the New Testament KJV rejected texts that came out of Egypt and considered them tainted. Which texts formed the Catholic bible. They trusted only the texts that had their origins from Antioch,Syria and were protected by the Waldenisns in Italy and the Huguenots in France. The Roman Catholic Church not only persecuted these people's but burned any of their texts they could find.
Most Christians around the world do not use kjv. It's really just an American thing
The problem with the kjv origins is that it was formed directly out of spite of the catholic church. There were good reasons to not like them but it was still wrong to do this to the bible
@@handles617KJV is from from England not America
@michellebehr7669 yes but most that use it are American. Most Christians aren't American or even western
@@handles617 Of course. Scriptures have to be translated into their language from original writings.
Is the Holy Ghost going to help the righteous hide somewhere?
First Book of Enoch, also called Ethiopic Book of Enoch, pseudepigraphal work (not included in any canon of scripture) whose only complete extant version is an Ethiopic translation of a previous Greek translation made in Palestine from the original Hebrew or Aramaic.
Enoch, the seventh patriarch in the book of Genesis, was the subject of abundant apocryphal literature, especially during the Hellenistic period of Judaism (3rd century bc to 3rd century ad). At first revered only for his piety, he was later believed to be the recipient of secret knowledge from God. This portrait of Enoch as visionary was influenced by the Babylonian tradition of the 7th antediluvian king, Enmenduranna, who was linked to the sun god and received divine revelations. The story of Enoch reflects many such features of the Babylonian myth.
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biblical literature: The Book of Enoch
I Enoch is a compilation of several separate works, most of which are apocalyptic. Its oldest portion is the “Apocalypse of Weeks,” written shortly before the Maccabean uprising of 167 bc against the Seleucids. Other sections, especially those dealing with astronomical and cosmological speculations, are difficult to date. Because of its views on messianism, celibacy, and the fate of the soul after death, parts of I Enoch may have originated with or been influenced by the Essene community of Jews at Qumrān. No fragments of the longest portion of the work (chapters 37-71), however, were found among the Qumrān writings. This has led scholars to theorize that this section was perhaps written in the 2nd century ad by a Jewish Christian who wished to imbue his own eschatological speculations with the authority of Enoch, and added his work to four older apocryphal Enoch writings.
I Enoch was at first accepted in the Christian Church but later excluded from the biblical canon. Its survival is due to the fascination of marginal and heretical Christian groups, such as the Manichaeans, with its syncretic blending of Iranian, Greek, Chaldean, and Egyptian elements.
Finally. I agree it doesn’t matter - I’d love to be here for the Tribulation or otherwise. But I was spun out at how harshly you guys dismissed the idea originally. Book of Enoch is one of the greatest hey - too much truth for them to have allowed in the Holy Bible
No it’s a big lie!!! Nobody even knows who wrote it or when.
@@Nomad58 wait - no one knows who wrote the Book of Enoch?
@@gabrielleamherst1992 ya that’s a fact.
@@Nomad58 I don’t believe in facts.
You deliberately ignore Matthew 24 2nd Thessalonians. Judgment between sheep and goats. The martyrs crying for vengeance etc.
Dispensationalism isn't monolithic. 🤔
Neither is "evanjellycalism".😮
Another good reason to join the Roman Catholic and/or Eastern Orthodox church. 🧙♂️
No.
I think I'm good.
No thank you.
Western Christianity makes me afraid for the church.
I don't need writings of early church fathers. I can read what is in the Bible. There is quite enough evidence there. Is that seriously all ya got? The early writings or lack of writings of early church fathers? Paul is an early church father. He went in depth on it.
Yes and Paul makes it very clear that we would go through it and not be removed beforehand. This is why the early church overwhelmingly believed it
@@handles617 Oh, you mean the part about being pulled up from the earth to meet the Lord in the air? Notice in this event Jesus does not set foot on earth.
@papadavewatson The problem with what you just claimed is that if this methodology was used by pre tribbers consistently, you would arrive at several raptures..which is why thanks to the inconsistency that pre trib uses, this is exactly what many people do claim. Reason?
Look at the difference between how Jesus describes his 2nd coming and how john describes it in his vision in revelation. You will notice that despite pre trib agreeing that matthew 24: 29-31 is the 2nd coming, the passage does not state he comes on a white horse, nor does it say he touches down on the earth. Yet, pre trib will agree that despite this difference, it is obviously the 2nd coming. But, in order to prove a prior rapture, they have to change this up and claim that the differences between what we claim are also 2nd coming verses are just "rapture" verses. Very inconsistent, selective, and essentially made up.
I should ask you this question then..where in that passage, does it indicate that they are in the "air" or "heaven" forever?? Hint; it doesn't. It says they will meet him in the air and be with the Lord forever. Never once does it state that they will or will not move from the "air" to claim that this must, therefore, be a different event from the 2nd coming.
In conclusion, your claim, of course, even ignoring the above, does not actually state a pre trib rapture and is, at best, a way of claiming there must be 2 events, so regardless of the flaws i just pointed out, you'd have to actually provide a verse that specifies the timing.
Can someone please help me with Enoch not being "scripture"
This is a serious question. Teachers like Michael Heiser didn't think it should be in the canonical but didn't completely regard it as blasphemy either
I understand that the Church of Nicia didn't consider it canon, but the Christian Ethiopians do
Does the writing of Enoch not pre date Jesus? If that's the case it predates Revelation
Just seeking truth! Christ is King 😁
You lost me at 5:00 It is clear you are establishing you arguments with false generalisations regarding early church beliefs. The exact opposite is true the very early church fathers did preach pre trib in the first 150 years or so then it changed after that. State your references when you make sweeping statements.
Interesting how a book written by the first major prophet, the 7th from Adam and one of 2 who never died but were taken up to heaven... is not scripture.
Daniel 12:4 and verse 9 shows tha no "church fathers" are required.
Ken Johnson's work on the Dead Sea Scroll calendar is awesome. Never have ascribed to his pre-trib philosophy.
The word "keep" in Revelation 3:10 is from the Greek word tereo which means to guard or protect by keeping the eye upon, it does NOT mean to remove. When Jesus is talking about the great tribulation in the Olivet discourse He mentions false messiahs, wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes and famines and says, YOU will be hated by all nations for my namesake and be handed over to the authorities to be beaten and tortured and even put to death, but the one who endures to the end will be saved. (notice this is NOT God's wrath, Jesus says 'you will be hated for my namesake.' These are believers, not the wicked that God will pour His wrath out on, that comes later) Jesus then gives a warning sign. Jesus after telling of all the terrible stuff coming says, "Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation as spoken of by Daniel...flee." That's the midpoint of Daniel's 70th week. So this indicates that the time of great tribulation doesn't actually start until the three and half year mark. The anti-christ doesn't break the treaty until the half-way point. Warning signs always come before the thing they are warning about. So, if Jesus when describing the great tribulation mentions false messiahs, wars and famines etc, and then gives the abomination of desolation as the warning sign, it means that the tribulation actually starts after the mid-point of Daniel's 70th week. Then Jesus says, ""Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon not give its light." This is the sign that Joel 2:31 says, comes right before the Day of the Lord. So, if we put aside our pre-conceived ideas about a pre-trib rapture and really look at scripture, we find that the time of Great Tribulation starts at the midpoint of Daniel's 70th week, and then immediately after the tribulation the sun will be darkened and the moon not give its light and according Joel 2:31 then comes the Day of the Lord. I know, I too grew up (spiritually) on the Pre-trib Rapture, but look at scripture with an open mind. By the way, there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that says the Holy Spirit residing in the Church is the restrainer of the anti-christ. BUT, Jesus talking about the time of Great tribulation says, "...It'll be the worst time since the beginning of the world until then. Daniel 12:1 says there will come a time of trouble on Israel that will be the worst time since the beginning of nations until then. These two times have to be the same time because they completely overlap. AND Daniel says this time won't come until the Archangel Michael rises (or goes back to Heaven) and then that terrible time will come; Michael is the restrainer of the anti-christ, not the Holy Spirit in the raptured church. I personally think the pre-wrath view best fits scripture.
Revelation 2&3 are Jewish MYSTERY Menorah candlestick churches. They are NOT the Body of Christ Church. We escape judgment as Days of Noah and Days of Lot. The candlestick churches go through the Tribulation. Different dispensation.
This made me believe even more so I’m the pre trib rapture mainly from 4 Ezra even tho. I’m not truest sure if it was taught in the Old Testament. I believe it was definitely taught in the new covenant. I do not believe the book of Enoch is referring to the pre trib but definitely the great tribulation. No man knows the day or hour of the rapture every man knows the day the lord is coming back in the second coming. Do y’all really not believe in pre trib ?
These guys use Enoch in their teachings?
Well Jesus did so its got a green light.
@@Timbo_tango no he never. He never once said anything about a book of Enoch. Not once.
@@Nomad58 Matt 22:29 Jesus answered them, ‘You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Please note that Jesus said that if the Sadducees knew "the scriptures" and God's power, they would know that angels don't marry. What "scriptures" might Jesus have had in mind? No mention of this in the OT, Perhaps...
"And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling."
1 Enoch 15:6-7
1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous 2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men 3 for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children 4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die 5 and perish**. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget 6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly 7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.
Can we be honest?
Pre-tribers are like most (if not all) today’s Israelites; they don’t really believe what they preach.
If pre-tribers really believed that the church was gonna be raptured at any time in a blink of an eye without or almost without a warning, they’d be living accordingly; they would not be concerned about worldly (good) things like they do. For example, They’d spend less or zero time on Netflix, sport games and making wealth. They’d live each day as if it was the day of rapture.
The Israelites, for example, would not allow “gentiles” to worship another god in their land and they’d not have the more homossexual city inside their own borders.
And post-tribbers would immediately move to North Korea, because after all, why would you want to wait several more years for the Tribulation when you can get some sooner than that.
@@seanc2788 The idea of that response makes no sense for anyone with just a low level of wisdom.
@@MO-cr8tt That's because the entire idea is BS.
@@seanc2788 The one shared really looks like it. I agree.
@@MO-cr8tt Yeah people won't make it through the Tribulation. It's designed to kill 99% of the population. So in order to be persecuted now, it would be good to move to Russia and start a church before the nuclear bombs start dropping.
Ken Johnson is excellent.
Enjoyed this. I do think tho some of these passages refer to after the Millennium: a NEW earth; BOOKS will be opened; Sit on the THRONE; Give up dead in Sheol (wouldn’t this be those when the Books are opened at Great White Throne? Bc only dead in Christ rise at whatever point is that resurrection before Christ returns.)
This would be similar to how Daniel or Peter (maybe both lol) will be relaying our end time & then switch to events at end of Millennial.
Blessings!
Oh, also those verses talking abt the righteous in Trib, the pre-Tribbers say those are TRIBULATION SAINTS-no where in scripture is anything abt Trib Saints, meaning those who missed the ‘rapture’ but get saved during Tribulation years.
I say, we’ll ALL be Trib saints bc we’ll go thru most of it, lol, jk!
Ken teaches lots of correct things, but I do believe he is off regarding pre-trib
Me too
Then Ken Johnson doesn't turn his comments on, on his videos. I wonder why. Dispensationalism? But the rest of the bible is pointless to them. Pick ans choose.
😢Sad.
Dude, all Ken Johnson does is rapture talk. Why does all he do is worry about rapture? The left behind books have drove people rapture crazy. The craziest thing about pretrib folks is there's no way to know when their mythical rapture comes but all they do is worry about it. It's lunacy period. Even though everything in the bible says prepare, prepare for hard times.
Can you please intersperse these rapture dubunkathons with more interesting subjects ?
They have several other series on this channel.
not bible
A Christian Introduction to 4 Ezra
Because it was written about the same time as the book of Revelation, 4 Ezra is one of the more important apocalyptic books. The Jewish apocalypse (chapters 3-14) was probably written about A.D. 100 based on the opening verse which states the book was written thirty years after Jerusalem was destroyed. This verse claims to be the words of the main character in the story, Ezra, at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 B.C. Since the book discusses the problem of the fall of Jerusalem it is applicable to either A.D. 70 or 135.
EzraMetzger finds it unlikely a Jewish book would find popularity in the post-Bar Kokhba world, so probably the central section was not written after even A.D. 120 (OTP 1:520. Charles 2:552 concurs with this date, although he tries to separate various sources in the text in order to date them earlier. Michael Stone dates the book to the last decade of the first century, see “Esdras, Second Book of,” in ABD 2:611-614).
The Christian framework was added in the second half of the third century. Collins states there is a “consensus” the Jewish apocalypse was written in Palestine at the end of the first century while Metzger takes the reference to Babylon in 3:1 as Rome; the book is therefore the product of Diaspora Jews (Apocalyptic Imagination, 196).
Chapters 1-2 of 4 Ezra are a Christian composition known as either 2 Esdras or 5 Ezra. After a brief genealogical introduction (1:1-3) Ezra is called to prophetic ministry (1:4-11). Ezra is to declare to the people of Israel their sins. To do this, Ezra describes the Exodus (1:12-14), the wilderness journeys (1:15-20) and the conquest (1:21-23) and shows that God did great things for the people, but they responded by breaking the covenant.
God addresses the people through Ezra, wondering what he will do with his rebellious people (1:24-32). God declares that he will reject his people and no longer listen to their pleas (1:25) and drive them away like straw in the wind (1:22-37). God did send them leaders such as Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, then the 12 Minor Prophets (listed in the order of the LXX). Israel is to be scattered and God has become as a widow (2:1-7).
After a short “woe” against Assyria which seems out of place, God says the Kingdom of Jerusalem will be taken away from Israel and given to “my people,” presumably Christians. God has rejected the nation of Israel as his people, and according to this text, he has turned to the gentiles. In 2:33-41 Ezra calls to the nations because Israel has rejected God: “O nations, await your true shepherd” (The editor of OTP inserts “Ezra turns to the Gentiles” as a section heading for 2:33-41, which seems a bit more than the text says).
Chapter 2:15-32 is an ethical section inserted between the sections on Israel’s rejection. Beginning in verse 20 there is a list of actions which are expected from the people of God. Isaiah and Jeremiah are described as the servants of God sent to help Ezra as he reminds his readers of the ethical demands required of them. Some of the ethical statements which following in verse 20 are in fact drawn from Isaiah 1:17 and Jeremiah 7: guard the rights of the widow and the orphan, clothe the naked, care for the injured and weak, protect the lame and the blind, protect the old and properly bury the dead. Burial of the dead is not a factor in Isaiah and Jeremiah, but it is an important issue to first century Judaism. That Second Temple Judaism considered proper burial important is seen in the apocryphal book of Tobit. One of the “good deeds” of Tobit is the burial of the dead, see 1:18-20, 2:3-8, 4:3-4; 6:15; 14:10-13.
There is a hint of resurrection in 2:16: “I will raise up the dead from their places and bring them out from their tombs.” Since it is followed by ethical commands, it is possible that some sort of spiritual resurrection is in mind here (the passing from death to life at the salvation, etc.) Coupled with the reference to the shepherd in 2:34, it is possible the writer has Ezekiel 34 and 37 in mind. There is a resurrection in 37:1-14 (the valley of dry bones) and the true shepherd in 34:1-19.
The Christian section draws to a close with a vision of a great multitude in Zion (2:42-48). This crowd received crowns and are given palm branches by the Son of God because they have confessed him in the world (2:47). This Son of God is described briefly as a young man of great stature, taller than the rest and more exalted as well.
You obviously didn't even bother to watch the video. It was a pre tribber claiming it was in those books, joel is simply explaining why it's not true.
Proof of A Pre trib Rapture. Pay Attention to the cloud and Cloud's Jesus appears in and With. Acts chapter 1 verses 9 10 11 Cloud. In Red Luke chapter 21 verses 27 and 28 Jesus is coming in A Cloud the Rapture. In Revelation chapter 1 verse 7 Jesus is coming With the Clouds when he comes back to the MT of Olives the second coming
The Proof Is They Do Not Accept YEHOVA'S NAME And Hate It.
When We Say YEHOVA Is The NAME Of Our ELOHIM And SAVIOR,
They Look At Us With Hated Eyes And Say...
"You Are YEHOVA'S Witnesses??..."
Reading My Armenian Holy Bible,
Especially The Old Testament, (TORAH)
I Understood Many Realities That Have Been Kept From Us By Telling Us,
That The Old Testament Does Not Belong To Us!
I Found A Chapter That Says,
Our SAVIOR'S NAME IS,
(YEHOVA SAPAVOVT) And, HE IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL:
Here The Verse:
YEHOVA SAVIOR Inside (TORAH) THE LIES END;
This Is The Proof From My Armenian HOLY BIBLE:
Judgment Of Babylon:
And I Will Not Accept Anyone's Mediation:
“THE NAME OF OUR SAVIOR IS,
(YEHOVA SAPAVOVT)
HE IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL:
~ Isaiah 47:3-4
And In The New Testament They Erased YEHOVA'S NAME AND SALVATION,
For Our Destruction And For Their Victory!
Wake Up Dears,
Open Your Eyes Well,
The Journey Is Short.
KEEP SABBATHS HOLY:
Sun day 🌞 law is the Antichrist!
HIS YEHOVA AND SIGN BETWEN US IS HOLY SABBATH:
When He Saw Elijah, He Said To Him,
“Is That You, You Troubler Of Israel?”
“I Have Not Made Trouble For Israel,”
Elijah replied.
“But You And Your Father’s Family Have.
You Have Abandoned The ELOHIM Commands And Have Followed The baals.
~ 1 Kings 18:17-18
And He Brought me into the inner court of THE ELOHIM’S HOUSE, and, behold, at the Door Of The TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, between The Porch and The Altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward THE TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Ezekiel 8:16
Be Born Again With KEEPING The 1o Commandments;
HIS ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE MOST HIGH,
Our ELOHIM AND SAVIOR YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:
R e p e n t…
Time Is Running Out,
The Whole World Is Destroyed!!!
We Are To Follow The 10 Commandments,
And NOT The Religion That Antichrist Made!
And Don't FORGET That Important HOLY SIGN Between US And Our ELOHIM To KEEP The SABBATH HOLY As An ETERNAL COVENANT AMONG US That (YEHOVA) Is Our ELOHIM & SAVIOR:
ELOHIM Is Not Man, That HE Should LIE,
Or A Son Of Man, That HE Should CHANGE HIS MIND.
HAS HE SAID, And WILL HE NOT DO IT?
Or HAS HE SPOKEN, And WILL HE NOT FULFILL IT?
~ Numbers 23:19
Elijah On MOUNT SINAI:
YEHOVA ELOHIM SAID,
Yet I HAVE LEFT ME,
SEVEN (7) THOUSAND ISRAEL,
All The Knees Which Have Not Bowed Unto baal,
And Every Mouth Which Hath Not Kissed him.
~ 1 Kings 19:18
And He Brought me into the inner court of THE ELOHIM’S HOUSE, and, behold, at the Door Of The TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, between The Porch and The Altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward THE TEMPLE Of The ELOHIM, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
~ Ezekiel 8:16
Let's Gooo...
The Rapture Verse:
Only They Will Deserve To FLY AT HARPAZO THE RAPTURE HEAVENLY EVENT IS WHO IS KEEPING THE SABBATH HOLY:
HALLELUYAH
And The YEHOVA SAID Unto Moses,
Stretch Out Thine Hand Toward Heaven,
That there May Be Darkness Over The Land Of Egypt, Even Darkness Which May Be Felt.
And Moses Stretched Forth His Hand Toward Heaven;
And There Was A Thick Darkness In All The Land Of Egypt 3 Days:
They Saw Not One Another,
Neither Rose Any From His Place For 3 Days:
But
ALL THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL HAD LIGHT IN THEIR DWELLINGS.
~ Exodus 10:21-23
And Moses Went Up Unto ELOHIM,
And THE YEHOVA Called Unto Him Out Of The Mountain, SAYING,
Thus Shalt Thou Say To The House Of Jacob, And Tell The Children Of Israel;
Ye Have Seen What I DID Unto The Egyptians, And How I BARE You On Eagles' Wings,
And Brought You UNTO MYSELF.
Now Therefore,
If Ye Will Obey MY VOICE Indeed,
And Keep MY COVENANT,
Then Ye Shall Be A PECULIAR TREASURE UNTO ME Above All People:
For All The EARTH IS MINE:
And Ye Shall Be UNTO ME A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, And AN HOLY NATION.
These Are The WORDS Which Thou Shalt SPEAK Unto The Children Of Israel.
~ Exodus 19:3-6
Most HigH YEHOVA'S Will And Man's Rejection:
(16) Because They Rejected MY LAWS And Did Not Follow MY Decrees And Desecrated
MY SABBATHS. For Their Hearts Were Devoted
To Their Idols.
(19) I AM YEHOVA Your CREATOR;
Follow MY Decrees And Be Careful To Keep MY
LAWS.
(20) Keep My SABBATHS HOLY, That They May Be A Sign Between US. Then You Will Know That I AM YEHOVA Your CREATOR.
Ezekiel 20: 16, 19, 20
HalleluYAH
who is he to speak and have his words fulfilled,
If The YEHOVA ELoHIM HAS Not Commanded?
~ Lamentations Jeremiah 3:37
HIS NOT: lord god mod jesus mesus:
They Will Call On MY NAME,
And I Will ANSWER Them:
I Will Say, ‘They Are MY People,’
And They Will Say, The YEHOVA Is Our ELoHIM.
~ Zechariah 13:9
HIS Name Is “YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:”
HIS ELoHIM The Most HigH Our Mighty Creator:
Glory To The Alpha And Omega:
Glory In The Highest Our ELoHIM And Savior:
Glory To The Lion Of Judah:
Praise YAH, YEHOVA, HalleluYAH:
Moreover Most HigH Said To Moses,
“ Thus You Shall Say To The Children Of Israel:
‘ The YEHOVA ELoHIM Of Your Fathers,
The ELoHIM Of Abraham,
The ELoHIM Of Isaac,
And The ELoHIM Of Jacob,
Has Sent Me To You.
This Is MY NAME Forever,
And This Is MY Memorial To All Generations.
~ Exodus 3:15
Because He Has Affection For ME,
I Will Rescue Him. I Will Protect Him
Because He Knows MY NAME. ~ Psalm 91:14
The Wise Will See YOUR NAME; ~ Micah 6:9
Be Proud Of HIS HOLY NAME: ~ Psalm 105:3
“You Must Not Take Up The Name Of YEHOVA Your EloHIM In A Worthless Way,
For YEHOVA Will Not Leave Unpunished The One
Who Takes Up HIS Name In A Worthless Way.”
~ Exodus 20:7
I Have Been "YEHOVA" Your CreatoR
Ever Since The Land Of Egypt;
You Know No CreatoR But ME,
And No SavioR Exists Besides ME.
~ Hosea 13:4
And Everyone Who Calls On The Name Of YEHOVA Will Be Saved.”’
~ Acts 2:21
There Is No One Who Calls YOUR NAME;
To Wake Up And Find Strength In YOU.
~ Isaiah 64:7
YEHOVA Is The Same Forever:
ELOHIM NAME Can’t Translated:
>Names Never Translate.
Your Name Is The Same In Every Language In The World.
anyone like Johnson who would use NON scriptural quotes to try and prove something has a problem to begin with and should be disregarded.
We have to save these pre-tribbers. What can we do?
Ask them to read Foxe's Book of Martyrs
@@robertzchannel6595 Does it give them a chance to repent and then constructive ways to make it through the Tribulation? Or do they just need to learn to die for Christ?
@@seanc2788 it's a collection of inspirational real life stories of believers that were persecuted and died a martyr's death.
Unfortunately, I believe that most of the pre trib rapture people don't realize that most of church history was washed by the blood of martyrs, which includes present day believers in communist and Muslim countries.
Here's an inspiring story behind "I have decided to follow Jesus." ua-cam.com/video/Iax9J4zKKjo/v-deo.html
@@robertzchannel6595 It's almost like the USA is some type of trap. The fact that we have it so good, is contrary to the entire church history as you said. People who were born in the USA are probably more likely to not be able to stand because they don't know what persecution is. My guess is that the USA gets nuked first in the red horse world war.
I was almost convinced to abandon Pretrib theology. But quiet meditation and reflection saved the day. If Christ died for my sins, why should i be beheaded for the same? It would be a case of double jeopardy. This is my understanding then.... God paid the dowry for my engagement to Christ. Christ has gone back to Abbas house to prepare a place for me/us who trust him. He will come as a thief in the night, unexpectedly and "take" us to the wedding in his "Chuppah". We will consumate the wedding, Yichud. The stained garment in Rev. 19 is proof of our chastity. He will make his triuphant return with us, the whole world will see us return. We will enter the banquet hall of the millennium for the wedding feast. The jewish virgins will be waiting for his return from the wedding. 5 will be ready, 5 will not. The gentile believers who came to believe after they witnessed the rapture, will die for their sins, because as the window of Grace was open, they failed to believe and accept Christs atonement. So, they either keep the law perfectly now or they die for their sins. They are tribulation saints or martyrs. They will serve in the Kingdom age but will not rule and reign with Christs bride. I hope ive been able to help someone, even just one person. Nobody needs to be matyred this side of Grace, although it does happen. Its the exception, not the rule. Shalom.❤🙏 😢
Unfortunately what you said just wasn't true
"Nobody needs to be martyred this side of grace" PAUL HIMSRLF WAS MARTYRED
@handles617 Paul and the other Apostles and early saints were matyred, they were the first fruit of martyrs. Jesus resurrected with the first fruits of the dead. And we will be the first fruits of those raptured. Those that survive the tribulation will be raptured at the second coming. But, we can disagree no problem. I hold fast to the good news of the Gospel. Its a Gospel about LIFE, not Death. Choose ye today, life. A Gospel that says to look forward to martyrdom is not a Gospel at all. For the word Gospel means good news. Shalom.
What would you say to the 70 million Christians who have been martyred for their faith since the founding of the church? We saw Christians being beheading just recently with isis. Was that double jeopardy?
The church has been persecuted and gone through tribulation ever since it's founding (John 16:33), and there have always been antichrists persecuting Christians (1 John 2:18). The final generation of Christians will not escape what the rest of Christians went through in history. The final generation of Christians will go through the tribulation and face the antichrist, and they will overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of their testimony.
Sister I encourage you to watch some more of the episodes of this series. Joel and Dalton address your Objections.
@@annemunoru1637 the gospel is about eternal life. If it was about physical life and no martyrdom then Paul who himself brought in grace wouldn't have been martyred, neither would've the many christians of the first few centuries, nor thr many christians being killed every day.
What you've just described is a very dangerous concept that only westerners would believe
Joel, your „consensus“ of the academic community says the bible is not the word of God and all scripture is more or less pseudepigraphically and written late. So bringing this as an argument against 4 Ezra is really weak….also that thing with Ken being not in line with traditional pre-trib theory, really weak argumentation. Reading the comments and talking about „saving pre-tribber“…. it is really sad to see how Christians are divided. I tell you one thing. Ken is right in many points and made incredible studies. But he is also for sure wrong in many other points. The same with you, Joel….one thing you might have in common you are both saved by Jesus? I hope it for you guys. I tell you we are all wrong and reality will unfold in a very different and surprising way. Does this part us with Jesus? Not at all. My take: Both are wrong regarding the rapture timing, it is neither pre-, post- nor mid-trib. I am going for pre-wrath according to e.g. Alan Kurschner. It makes a lot more sense than all other explanations. I hope I am still considered being saved……
YEHOVA SAPAVOVT Not jesus.
Interestingly, you don't like his name being translated, yet you are okay with transliteration.
Im over your adds in Middle of teachings. Either beginning or end of message maybe but now your no different to pay tv
Except they’re not selling products or sponsorships
And I feel we are blessed to be given the opportunities to support their ministries.
" In my father's house are many mansions, if it were not so, I would have told you."
' I GO to prepare a place for you, and if I GO, I will COME BACK TO RECIEVE YOU, that where I AM, you may be also." -- JESUS very own words.
This was always in the bible.
The book of Enoch, was not considered Inspired by God.
Early church Read the bible as is. ( JESUS WORDS ) Have not changed.
The church is not Appointed to wrath.
The point is THE WORDS OF JESUS.
Correct this is what joel believes. There is no contradiction. Do you even understand his position?
@@handles617 Yes. His position is " Gambling that he will survive God's wrath."
@@paulhowson8744 no his position is that we do not incur God's wrath. If you took just a little bit of time to learn his stance you would know this.
@@handles617 He argued that very stance. If you are going to eavesdrop. . . PAY ATTENTION!!!
@@paulhowson8744"eavesdrop" you're on a public forum.
He has stated many times he believes we are taken up at the 7th trumpet. His position is that the wrath only begins afterwards. Therefore he does not "argue that"
You should pay attention more
So Then. The Bride does get Beat Up. Shame.
You wouldn't make that comment if you even knew what you were arguing against.
"to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his steps." (1 Peter 2:20-23)
At first I was thinking that it was just a misunderstanding of scripture, an honest mistake. Now it seems like they're intentionally trying to mislead the flock. It's like if they're being told what to say, and not by GOD.