Reading through the comments, my guess is 90% of you people haven't even driven the F150 EcoBoost, not to mention towed with one. I've driven all five of the best selling half ton truck brands, and there's a reason the F150 is the best seller. That torque on the 3.5 twin turbo EcoBoost is incredible, and don't even get me started on mountain towing. Smaller engines with forced induction is the way of the future, and I'll gladly sacrifice a little fuel mileage when towing in exchange for a truck that isn't annoyingly downshifting through a couple gears at the slightest hill.
My brother-in-law has one he bought new. He doesn't tow anything but he loved the trucks power and mileage during the first 3 years and now it's a money pit. Been in twice for extnsive engine work and it's only got 120,000kms on it. He's also anal about his services etc... You could not pay me to take an Ecoboost F150!
If you're going to tow a lot, you're getting a diesel. There's just no comparison, unless it's a Ford. They've had some questionable diesels in the past. There is a reason why all big rigs are diesel and it's fuel economy and durability.
Makes me feel better about my 6.2V8 F250. I just came back from a 1500 mile round trip in the Georgia and SC mountains and averaged 9mpg towing a 9500 pound camper.
Wow a heavy duty/super duty truck owner with a head on his shoulders and didn't give into the pressure of the diesel world. It's just amazing how so many people buy more truck than they need. You have any regrets not getting the diesel or even just 4.30 gears for the gas?
+Jason Thornton Bang on Jason..I gave in and don't get me wrong..love the truck but should have bought a 6.2 . I'm only towing 11,000 lbs . I'm only saving $20 on a 400 mile trip . Compared to my friends who tow with gas.
i just want to add im a ford salesman dont shoot the messenger but the 3.5 eco boost will out tow..out haul the legendary 5.0 v8..5.3 chevrolet v8 and the ram 5.7 hemi these trucks are the real deal durring my training i admit i was skeptical but these things are crazy strong and reliable
@BLoNY100 I have a 28.5 ft camper (~7,000 lbs) plus motorcycles, generator, firewood etc in the bed. Bed weight capacity is about at its limit. The 3.5 eco doesn't even know it's there.
Hi TFL. Since you have a trailer sponsor, it would be great if you did this exact same test with a V- Nose trailer with the same weight and that way truck guys can see what MPG changes that the aerodynamics make. Same Truck, same weight, real world test. Thanks!
Well its several things. First its inflation. Second is the cost to R&D these trucks so that they meet CAFE and EPA emissions regulations. Third its the cost to make them. That aluminum isnt cheap. Thats why GM's are cheaper than ford and Rams are even cheaper. A Chevy silverado 1500 crew cab LT with a 5.3 will cost about $28,000 after all the discounts. Ford will sell you a f150 xlt crew cab with a 2.7 for the same price. The difference is that the Chevy has more equipment on it, offers more power, and tows a lot more. Ram will sell you a well equiped truck with there 5.7 for a lot less than both trucks with equipment levels between the ford and the chevy and it also tows more than the ford
I have a 2015 Silverado 5.3 4x4 and I tow about 8500lbs, give or take a couple hundred pounds, just about every weekend. My load consists of a boat the trailer and all my gear also a full tank of gas in the boat (65 gallon tank) and some people. My truck also has Air lift load lifter 5000 bags on it. It's 44 miles to the lake from my house and I average about 13 mpg. I got about the same on my way to Keuka lake, which is almost 450 miles from my house. Around town I get 14.5 and on the highway I get 21-23. On an 1100 mile trip to Jay Peak Vermont I got it's up to 26.2 mpg going through the Adirondacks. The proof is there, cylinder deactivation is the way to go. I'm also a V8 guy so it worked out pretty well for me.
lol. It has to be counterproductive at some point! With cars making more and more power you won't have enough time to put the power down. Look at drag cars with 2 speed autos or Class 8 trucks were they have 18 speeds but a lot of 9,10,12 speeds also.
10 is the limit at which adding gears becomes pointless. Look at it this way. The difference between a 2 speed automatic and a 4 speed is bigger than the difference between a 4 speed and a 10 speed when it comes to fuel economy.
Awesome review! Just picked up a 2014 ecoboost 3.5 for towing 7k pounds. At 75 mph, I get about 6.5 mpg. At 55, it's closer to 10 mpg. My trip was from Lake Havasu to Flagstaff mostly uphill. The 2014 has a 6 speed and not the 10 speed :(
All these guys hating on the Eco boost for its towing MPGs....smh The great thing about it is it gets a real world 18-20 MPGs while not towing and it's torque hits its peak way low in the RPM band, like diesel engine low. Moral of the story is when a half ton is towing 7k+ lbs you are going to be getting 8-10 MPGs.
I have a 2012 F-150 with the eco boost, and pulling a 5500lb travel trailer at 70mph highway, I will get between 8.7-8.8 mpg. If I slow down to about 62-63 mph, I can get about 9.9-10.2 mpg. If I'm running at 55 mph pulling the same 5500lb travel trailer, I can get 11.5-12 mpg. This mileage has been consistent every time. The truck has no problem pulling the trailer any speed I want to go. But speed cost gas mileage. And every mph I slow down makes a difference.
Watching this 7 year old video changed my mind. My son recently bought a 16 ecoboost. The milage is great while not towing. My camper is probably in the neighborhood of 6600lbs. Don't go that often, but my tuned 5.4 does a great job! Most of Texas is flat as a pancake! Been all the way from I20 to I10 into New Mexico. Down to Elpaso. Into the mountains of New Mexico. It's flat where they were. The towing milage sucked!! I'll just keep my old FX4 running!
Holy crap, I just purchased a 2015 xlt 4x4 supercrew with the 5.0 engine for $32000. I could have bought 2 of them with enough money left over to tag them both for the price of this truck!
In all my time owning my 2016 3.5L Ecoboost, I can't say I've ever averaged 22mpg on the highway, I was thinking the trailer mirrors might have something to do with it. That said, once the travel trailer is hooked up this will do 70 mph with the cruse set all day long.
Just towed a 7x16 cargo trailer loaded to 7000 lbs from Chicago to Austin with a Ram 1500 Hemi at 65 mph on cruise control. I was a little disappointed with 11 mpg hand calculated but now I'm overjoyed lol, beats the heck out of 8.5.
I just traded in my '14 RAM 1500 Hemi for a '16 RAM 2500 Cummins for pulling our '58 Cadillac to parades which can be hundreds of miles away here in Minnesota. Just did my first trip last weekend to the north shore of Minnesota (I live in the Twin Cities suburbs) and got 15.9mpg which includes multiple hills. I debated on a F150 3.5 but glad I went with the Cummins!
I like the ecoboost. It tows well without shifting around while climbing hills. The naturally aspirated V8 tend to rev more while pulling. we have a 2015 lariat ecoboost and a 2016 XLT 5.0. both 3.55 gears.
Thank you, just retired from the Army and I've had my '06 Tundra 4.7L 4x4 since 2009. I am strongly considering an upgrade. I was wondering, "why am i still seeing v6 Turbo Boost engines on a work truck (and in platinum trim no less)". I'm gonna checkout the 2017 2018 videos to see if anything improved. This thing has a 7k lb towing capacity? Like better than my current Tundra? Bunkers... thanks for the videos and keep up the awesome work.
What you guys don't understand is what the ecoboost is designed to do. Get the power of a 6.0 liter engine or larger which it does with ease and the fuel economy of a v6 which it does. It got basically the same mpg as the Tacoma towing 5000lbs in the other video earlier the year.
+leje0306 Did you look at the mpg on the v6 Tacoma in the towing test done by these guys? it's 8.4 mpg. 0.1 mpg less than the 3.5 ecoboost. Also the 3.5 gets better mileage than the 5.7 hemi while being a faster truck and putting down more torque. Same goes for the 6.2 in the Chev and Gmc it get better real world mpg while being identical in speed. Let alone the new 3.5 for 2017.
+Daniel Bell i almost got the ecoboost but im getting 17-18mpg towing 5500lbs doing 60-70mph-ish. just recently got 28mpg on interstate doing 75-80mph, the ram ecodiesel "drafts" really well and its 4x4
My tundra was $30,000 less and gets about the same mileage towing (with similar weight)!!! No turbos and less crap to break. Thought the Ford would do better.
Yeah, they're going to make a bundle downstream on mostly used truck buyers when those engines and turbos begin to fail. Poor folks are going to have to put it on a credit card to get their trucks back to running properly. Chalk it up to corporate greed, while playing it off as an advancement.
Nice. My former neighbor had a 2009 Tundra, and although I don't know his towing mpg, he mentioned 13 city & 17 hwy for his truck. Back then the MSRP (compared to other trucks) & mpg were his only complaints, but he needed something dependable so he got the Toyota.
Adam its way different than a modern V8 gas truck engine and outperforms every single one of them when towing. Add in altitude and scorching desert heat (the TFL circuit is kind compared to Davis Dam ) and it runs away from the v8 NA trucks like they are chained down. Too what little more it may use towing,it makes up for when unladed,( I got 21 out of a 3:55 truck with no effort) and carries a much bigger gas tank so I dont have to stop between destinations with 50 feet of combined vehicles. Try one with a load, I did. Im convinced.
I think my '04 F250 with 6.8L V-10 gets between 7-8 mpg towing my 9500lb travel trailer as long as I don't hammer it from stops and maintain around 60 mph on the highway. Thanks for the interesting F150 tow test. Oychyn harasho!!
I have an older 2006 Dodge Ram with the 5.7 hemi. While towing my loaded water tank tandem aluminum trailer on a regular basis ( 4 times a week) I average 10.2 mpg. Trailer and water weigh 7200 lbs. Typical round trip is 235 miles. The trucks current mileage is 188,000 miles. It does have the 3.92 rear end with transmission cooler wit tow/haul feature. The truck has the smaller 345 hp engine, but tows with no problems, except for an occasional flat tire. I would think that the Ford Ecoboost engine should get much better mileage than my Dodge. I bought it used in 2017 with 130,000 miles for 11,000 dollars. You can keep your 68,000 dollar Ford. I still have 57,000 dollars in my pocket.
I love my 2012 F150 Ecoboost. I tow a 7000 lb travel trailer cross country each summer and 8mpg is as good as I can get out of it. I have tried all different gas brands and octanes. I have 3.73 gears so next truck I should try 3.31 or 3.55. What gears does this truck have? I'm waiting and hoping for the F150 diesel. I don't need a Super Duty because the most I tow is a car or truck occasionally and my camper during the summer. I don't want to feed a big V8 the rest of the time.
All of the mpg test are panzie shit anyway. You bought a truck you know the mpg isnt good. All that matters is if it can handle the weight you need it to handle
+Matt Kingsley yes, but these trucks are commuters as well. Same purpose as a midsize sedan for a large percentage of the time. When buying a commuter, mpg matters. Why else would Ford brand it "eco"?
Let's see what I can get for the $67,000 price tag. $30,000: Brand new Ford Fusion Titanium edition. $30,000: 2012-2014 F-250 Super Duty FX4 Diesel $7,000: 2012-2014 Yamaha V-Star 1300 (or) $67,000: An F-150
Yeah, lets use one weight for EVERY OTHER TRUCK, but change it for this one particular truck. Sheesh. TfL is as good of a test of a truck as a burnout contest is.
This new trailer has a flat front, not the bullnose of your old livestock trailer. Since most of the trailer drag is air resistance on your level, 98 mile loop how does the mpg with this new trailer compare to the old one? I suspect that trailer load differences will be a lesser factor in mpg until you test on the Ike Gauntlet where grades make the trucks feel the towed weight.
Ecoboost is like a diesel effortlessly lumbering along at 2,000 rpm. I've towed similar loads in CO with my 5.7 tundra and it was having to hang down in 4th gear running 3,000+ rpm to maintain speed if there was a hint of head wind. Towing in the high plains of central Colorado at a mile above seal level is nothing like towing on flat land in south louisana at sea level. Kudos to ford. Unfortunately ford/GM has gone insane with the pricing on their pickups.
2016 f350 powerstroke towing a similar load does not get much better fuel economy. MPG's were roughly around 11-12. There are a lot of factors to consider, though. Grade, wind, speed, tire pressure etc. The 1/2 ton is great for people who do not need all the power of the super duty's. The only dilemma I have with the 1/2 ton's is that they no longer offer a full cab with an 8' bed. Other than that, I like my 16 f150 lariat. Just make sure you read the sticker in the door jam before you buy the truck in order to get the real numbers from the truck.
I think there so expensive because of the luxury in the truck, these trucks weren't really built for towing or payload, That's how ford presented there trucks
Ford's Ecoboost is one of the best 1/2 ton engines you can get right now. It's not just a V6 the turbochargers create loads of torque. And your still saving at the pump with better fuel mileage. It's a win/win
On some of the forums, people have reported getting better gas mileage with high octane fuel when towing. I'm not sure if this is true, I haven't had to tow anything heavy. Would this be something that you may be able to look into?
With the Ecoboost, the manufacturers recommend that you use 91 octane or higher when towing. When doing the Ike Gauntlet or the towing loop, do you guys use the 91 octane or the regular low grade? The octane makes a huge difference when towing with the Ecoboost
You guys should strap the water tank to the floor of the trailer on all 4 corners. If you get into an accident, those load bars will not hold that load and it will rip through the front of the trailer and hit the truck too. Just a heads up for safety.
I have a 2014 Ecoboost towing a 2 horse trailer every now and then. I will say I’m expecting mpg’s to improve as time goes on... Fuel is only going to go up in price, let’s hope Ford can catch up.
Just thinking out loud about the discrepancy between the mpg's using the manual calculations vs what the truck's trip computer says. The ECU should know how much fuel it's told the injectors to dispense and it should know exact miles traveled as reported by the wheel sensors. Why should the on-board computer ever be that far off on calculating mpg?? Just wondering.
I towed 4,000 pound boat ,with a 2011 f150 3 5 EcoBoost, got 10 mpg , not impressed. As far as a 2019 pulling 4,000 pounds, what gets the best mpg 2.7,3.5 or 5 0 gas.
You guys should say what gas you fill with. Some trucks reccomend 89 mid gas and I think it would be interesting to do different loops with different grades. Also, Shell V-Power is supposed to be the best gasoline. I personally would never fill up at ARCO or less than good quality gas.
this would have been a much more interesting video had the same truck been configured with a V8. I'm guessing the non+turbo 8 would give gotten better had mileage at a lower cost.
I'd still go on a base model. A truck will always be a truck for me, if I want comfort XLT is the best model for me. Nice truck BUT Ford should also invest in developing the 5.0 nowadays they are so focused on the EcoBoost tech when there's so much potential with the V-8, I would really love any of the Big Three to develop a modern-age I-6 engine, powerful and lots of torque and efficient.
That's right about where I thought it would be. I figured right around 8.5-9 mpg. Not all that great when I'm getting close to the same from my 12 year old 5.4 towing 7000 lbs.
The ecoboost and 5.4 are worlds apart, the iceboats may loose more mpgs towing but you're 5.4 can't pull 11,700lbs like the EB can. I loved my 03 with the 5.4 but the 3.5 is much better.
+Kenny M I hope your kidding the 3.5 is a better motor than the 5.4 every day of the week. 5.4 is slow, heavy, and is way less fuel efficient, I doubt your 5.4 would get even 14 highway the 3.5 gets 21 real world
Always been my issues with Fords. I'm not a Ford fan anyway but they have been extremely overpriced for a few years. All for a turbo V6 that is supposed to be revolutionary and Ford spent all that money on R&D just to be no different than a modern V8. In my opinion, these new F150s are some of the nicest looking trucks and the interior is great, but nothing about them are worth their 67k.
If a New York Times reporter sees this video and decides to write a piece on it, it will go something like _and then Kent Sundling said, _*_"you got two balls...I like greasy balls"_*
I tow a 7000 pound boat with trailer. I get 11mpg with my '14 Tundra, which by the way, has a V-8 5.7l (350cc) engine, (so much for smaller displacement), and average 15mpg in mostly city driving. My Platinum Tundra cost 42 something when I bought it in October of '13. I can't imagine paying 25,000 dollars more. That amount would cover a large variety of cheaper boats. Guess there's one born everyday.
Btw, my '04 Titan got 11mpg with the same boat and trailer.That truck was a barebones 4x4 and cost me 26k. My Tundra is also a 4x4. I guess when Tundra engineers tell you why they haven't change anything is because of real world numbers and reliability, they can back it up.
+11DS450XMX That's great, I wish my Tundra got that good of mileage. But, I think you better take the savings at the pump and put away for future repairs. ;-)~
Why on every single video do people complain about the price. Every vid, every brand. The trucks these companies send out have the most options, hence they cost the most. According to Ford's website a 2016 Limited trim level starts at 59k, but you can get this engine in an XLT trim level which start at 32k. So you could probably get this engine for mid 30k after deals off of MSRP. You do not have to spend 67k to get a similarly capable truck.
Thats a crazy price for that truck. You can get a F350 Platinum for that same price. And if youre one to tow, the f350 is clearly the better option. It also doesnt look the price either. If you option the hell out of a ram, it cost 60k but looks like 65k. A GMC denali will reach the same price but at least it looks its price. Either way, both are expensive as hell and if you ask me, no 1500 truck should be over 60k.
We're pulling a 5,600pds travel trailer with our f150 2016max tow package driving 70 mpr gas miles is 7.5 mph pulling. Is their something wrong. We should be getting more. The gear 0n 4
I get a little better than that towing a 6500 lb. trailer with my '15 F150 w/ 3.5L EcoBoost. (Usually 8-12 mpg, depending on wind.) I never go faster than 65 mph. I think it's just a fact of life. If you want to pull big heavy box down the highway at speed with a small engine, you have to pump a lot of gas through it.
Let me explain how it's possible Amsoil Signature Series,Bullydog Platinum GT Tuner and CAI and a very light right foot. Most don't believe but it is what it is. Also I don't live in a City it's mostly rural roads I drive very little city driving but the mileage doesn't change.
So get a v6 for 67k or get a diesel for the same price if not a little less. I built a 2016 Chevy 2500 diesel the way I wanted it and it came to 63k just as a comparison
So looking at these comments it has become crystal clear how uneducated most of you are so allow me to shine a little light on the subject. First of all if you are a brand-specific purchaser stop talking crap because we all know you're just hating. Not to mention for some reason it seems like most people that are talking crap are trying to point out favoritism for Dodge which just blows my mind because that's literally the only truck I think is a complete waste of money. I mean go Google the towing capacity of the Dodge Hemi four-wheel drive and you will see what I'm talking about. On the other hand any general motor Toyota or Ford truck is overall good product in my opinion. Unlike the Dodge you shouldn't need to replace the transmission every 50,000 miles. But I digress. Several people asked why you wouldn't buy a 1 ton diesel instead of the F-150 EcoBoost. Well of course you could buy a diesel but they are completely different markets. The diesel is meant for heavy lifting on a continuous basis and therefore is built much heavier and will be much more expensive to own and operate than the F-150. The fuel price may be about the same in the long run for towing but when this truck is running empty it should average around 23 miles per gallon which is going to be hard to match in diesels. This is the part where some smart a$$ tries to start talking about good fuel mileage from a tuned diesel. However that argument is completely void because this is a turbo truck and therefore can also be tuned to get better fuel mileage. Let's continue. I've personally driven many trucks over the years and can guarantee you there's not a one ton truck on the market that will ride and shift nearly as smooth as this V6 will. This truck fills the niche of those who need a nice daily driver that feels comfortable to drive around town 90% of the time but can also hook up to an RV or boat on the weekends. The one ton truck is meant to be worked hard. It's meant to be used near its capacities the majority of the time and therefore rides like a brick with square Wheels. Need I even mention the three or four times higher maintenance cost of a diesel? Apples and oranges.
I doubt it. The diesel will have a premium and will not be as powerful. Ford has had some questionable diesels in the past 10 years (powerstroke 6.0 and 6.4) so the people will be weary.
Reading through the comments, my guess is 90% of you people haven't even driven the F150 EcoBoost, not to mention towed with one. I've driven all five of the best selling half ton truck brands, and there's a reason the F150 is the best seller. That torque on the 3.5 twin turbo EcoBoost is incredible, and don't even get me started on mountain towing. Smaller engines with forced induction is the way of the future, and I'll gladly sacrifice a little fuel mileage when towing in exchange for a truck that isn't annoyingly downshifting through a couple gears at the slightest hill.
My brother-in-law has one he bought new. He doesn't tow anything but he loved the trucks power and mileage during the first 3 years and now it's a money pit. Been in twice for extnsive engine work and it's only got 120,000kms on it. He's also anal about his services etc... You could not pay me to take an Ecoboost F150!
then stop calling it "ECO"boost. everyone knows turbos make good power, but the also such gas and cost a lot to repair.
No thanks. I'll take a N/A v8 from the big 3 with a proper towing gear over an ecoboost with questionable long term reliability.
BTW, I own an ECOboost flex, which gets about the same fuel economy as my 5.4 f150.
If you're going to tow a lot, you're getting a diesel. There's just no comparison, unless it's a Ford. They've had some questionable diesels in the past. There is a reason why all big rigs are diesel and it's fuel economy and durability.
Makes me feel better about my 6.2V8 F250. I just came back from a 1500 mile round trip in the Georgia and SC mountains and averaged 9mpg towing a 9500 pound camper.
Thanks for this information. .I'm looking into a 6.2 F250..373s?
Yes 3.73. I have a short exhaust clip video on my channel if you are interested.
+davva360
great thanks
Wow a heavy duty/super duty truck owner with a head on his shoulders and didn't give into the pressure of the diesel world. It's just amazing how so many people buy more truck than they need. You have any regrets not getting the diesel or even just 4.30 gears for the gas?
+Jason Thornton
Bang on Jason..I gave in and don't get me wrong..love the truck but should have bought a 6.2 . I'm only towing 11,000 lbs .
I'm only saving $20 on a 400 mile trip . Compared to my friends who tow with gas.
i just want to add im a ford salesman dont shoot the messenger but the 3.5 eco boost will out tow..out haul the legendary 5.0 v8..5.3 chevrolet v8 and the ram 5.7 hemi these trucks are the real deal durring my training i admit i was skeptical but these things are crazy strong and reliable
@BLoNY100 I have a 28.5 ft camper (~7,000 lbs) plus motorcycles, generator, firewood etc in the bed. Bed weight capacity is about at its limit. The 3.5 eco doesn't even know it's there.
Hi TFL. Since you have a trailer sponsor, it would be great if you did this exact same test with a V- Nose trailer with the same weight and that way truck guys can see what MPG changes that the aerodynamics make. Same Truck, same weight, real world test. Thanks!
That would be an awesome test!
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the price of these new trucks are really getting out of hand
No kidding! It's getting ridiculous
And the truck is aluminum haha, still a very nice f150, rather have the 5.0 In it.
you wanna know why? We as in the consumers are driving up the prices by buying it ar this price.
Well its several things. First its inflation. Second is the cost to R&D these trucks so that they meet CAFE and EPA emissions regulations. Third its the cost to make them. That aluminum isnt cheap. Thats why GM's are cheaper than ford and Rams are even cheaper. A Chevy silverado 1500 crew cab LT with a 5.3 will cost about $28,000 after all the discounts. Ford will sell you a f150 xlt crew cab with a 2.7 for the same price. The difference is that the Chevy has more equipment on it, offers more power, and tows a lot more. Ram will sell you a well equiped truck with there 5.7 for a lot less than both trucks with equipment levels between the ford and the chevy and it also tows more than the ford
*That's Obama's fault dude ;-)*
I have a 2015 Silverado 5.3 4x4 and I tow about 8500lbs, give or take a couple hundred pounds, just about every weekend. My load consists of a boat the trailer and all my gear also a full tank of gas in the boat (65 gallon tank) and some people. My truck also has Air lift load lifter 5000 bags on it. It's 44 miles to the lake from my house and I average about 13 mpg. I got about the same on my way to Keuka lake, which is almost 450 miles from my house. Around town I get 14.5 and on the highway I get 21-23. On an 1100 mile trip to Jay Peak Vermont I got it's up to 26.2 mpg going through the Adirondacks. The proof is there, cylinder deactivation is the way to go. I'm also a V8 guy so it worked out pretty well for me.
SuperMotoSean 419 to be fair the trailer they used would produce much more wind resistance than Any boat
I'm waiting for the 20 speed transmission before I invest in a truck.
lol. It has to be counterproductive at some point! With cars making more and more power you won't have enough time to put the power down. Look at drag cars with 2 speed autos or Class 8 trucks were they have 18 speeds but a lot of 9,10,12 speeds also.
10 is the limit at which adding gears becomes pointless. Look at it this way. The difference between a 2 speed automatic and a 4 speed is bigger than the difference between a 4 speed and a 10 speed when it comes to fuel economy.
Buy an 18wheeler.
Awesome review! Just picked up a 2014 ecoboost 3.5 for towing 7k pounds. At 75 mph, I get about 6.5 mpg. At 55, it's closer to 10 mpg. My trip was from Lake Havasu to Flagstaff mostly uphill. The 2014 has a 6 speed and not the 10 speed :(
All these guys hating on the Eco boost for its towing MPGs....smh The great thing about it is it gets a real world 18-20 MPGs while not towing and it's torque hits its peak way low in the RPM band, like diesel engine low. Moral of the story is when a half ton is towing 7k+ lbs you are going to be getting 8-10 MPGs.
I have a 2012 F-150 with the eco boost, and pulling a 5500lb travel trailer at 70mph highway, I will get between 8.7-8.8 mpg. If I slow down to about 62-63 mph, I can get about 9.9-10.2 mpg. If I'm running at 55 mph pulling the same 5500lb travel trailer, I can get 11.5-12 mpg. This mileage has been consistent every time.
The truck has no problem pulling the trailer any speed I want to go. But speed cost gas mileage. And every mph I slow down makes a difference.
Watching this 7 year old video changed my mind. My son recently bought a 16 ecoboost. The milage is great while not towing. My camper is probably in the neighborhood of 6600lbs. Don't go that often, but my tuned 5.4 does a great job! Most of Texas is flat as a pancake! Been all the way from I20 to I10 into New Mexico. Down to Elpaso. Into the mountains of New Mexico. It's flat where they were. The towing milage sucked!! I'll just keep my old FX4 running!
Holy crap, I just purchased a 2015 xlt 4x4 supercrew with the 5.0 engine for $32000. I could have bought 2 of them with enough money left over to tag them both for the price of this truck!
In all my time owning my 2016 3.5L Ecoboost, I can't say I've ever averaged 22mpg on the highway, I was thinking the trailer mirrors might have something to do with it. That said, once the travel trailer is hooked up this will do 70 mph with the cruse set all day long.
Tow mirrors make a difference. 1 or 2mpg believe it or not at highway speeds.
Just towed a 7x16 cargo trailer loaded to 7000 lbs from Chicago to Austin with a Ram 1500 Hemi at 65 mph on cruise control. I was a little disappointed with 11 mpg hand calculated but now I'm overjoyed lol, beats the heck out of 8.5.
it's great to see Andre doing the video himself! great job Andre hope to see more from you!
I just traded in my '14 RAM 1500 Hemi for a '16 RAM 2500 Cummins for pulling our '58 Cadillac to parades which can be hundreds of miles away here in Minnesota. Just did my first trip last weekend to the north shore of Minnesota (I live in the Twin Cities suburbs) and got 15.9mpg which includes multiple hills. I debated on a F150 3.5 but glad I went with the Cummins!
I like the ecoboost. It tows well without shifting around while climbing hills. The naturally aspirated V8 tend to rev more while pulling. we have a 2015 lariat ecoboost and a 2016 XLT 5.0. both 3.55 gears.
The English is great! Great improvement
Thank you, just retired from the Army and I've had my '06 Tundra 4.7L 4x4 since 2009. I am strongly considering an upgrade. I was wondering, "why am i still seeing v6 Turbo Boost engines on a work truck (and in platinum trim no less)". I'm gonna checkout the 2017 2018 videos to see if anything improved. This thing has a 7k lb towing capacity? Like better than my current Tundra? Bunkers... thanks for the videos and keep up the awesome work.
What you guys don't understand is what the ecoboost is designed to do. Get the power of a 6.0 liter engine or larger which it does with ease and the fuel economy of a v6 which it does. It got basically the same mpg as the Tacoma towing 5000lbs in the other video earlier the year.
It gets the fuel economy of a small block Chevy V8 when not towing.
+leje0306 Did you look at the mpg on the v6 Tacoma in the towing test done by these guys? it's 8.4 mpg. 0.1 mpg less than the 3.5 ecoboost. Also the 3.5 gets better mileage than the 5.7 hemi while being a faster truck and putting down more torque. Same goes for the 6.2 in the Chev and Gmc it get better real world mpg while being identical in speed. Let alone the new 3.5 for 2017.
Hey TFL folks, the gas at that Shell station in Silverthorne is always $1.50 higher than the K and G 2 miles north on 9.
holy crap 8.5mpg! so glad i decided to go with the ram ecodiesel
True, you get better mileage, at the cost of owning a Dodge, maintaining a diesel, and it takes 2 years to get up to 60.
+Daniel Bell i almost got the ecoboost but im getting 17-18mpg towing 5500lbs doing 60-70mph-ish. just recently got 28mpg on interstate doing 75-80mph, the ram ecodiesel "drafts" really well and its 4x4
+Daniel Bell is the Ecodiesel turbo charged or just n/a
+Dean Klutman single turbo 3.0L
Dean Klutman Single turbo like db said. Still slow as hell though.
My tundra was $30,000 less and gets about the same mileage towing (with similar weight)!!! No turbos and less crap to break. Thought the Ford would do better.
Yeah, they're going to make a bundle downstream on mostly used truck buyers when those engines and turbos begin to fail. Poor folks are going to have to put it on a credit card to get their trucks back to running properly. Chalk it up to corporate greed, while playing it off as an advancement.
Are you towing at elevation or sea level?
+zip89105 I tow mostly at 5000-7000 feet.
Nice. My former neighbor had a 2009 Tundra, and although I don't know his towing mpg, he mentioned 13 city & 17 hwy for his truck. Back then the MSRP (compared to other trucks) & mpg were his only complaints, but he needed something dependable so he got the Toyota.
We lived at sea level.
Adam its way different than a modern V8 gas truck engine and outperforms every single one of them when towing. Add in altitude and scorching desert heat (the TFL circuit is kind compared to Davis Dam ) and it runs away from the v8 NA trucks like they are chained down. Too what little more it may use towing,it makes up for when unladed,( I got 21 out of a 3:55 truck with no effort) and carries a much bigger gas tank so I dont have to stop between destinations with 50 feet of combined vehicles. Try one with a load, I did. Im convinced.
I think my '04 F250 with 6.8L V-10 gets between 7-8 mpg towing my 9500lb travel trailer as long as I don't hammer it from stops and maintain around 60 mph on the highway. Thanks for the interesting F150 tow test. Oychyn harasho!!
for a moment you thought it was going to pull that giant trailer in the beginning of the video
I have an older 2006 Dodge Ram with the 5.7 hemi. While towing my loaded water tank tandem aluminum trailer on a regular basis ( 4 times a week) I average 10.2 mpg. Trailer and water weigh 7200 lbs. Typical round trip is 235 miles. The trucks current mileage is 188,000 miles. It does have the 3.92 rear end with transmission cooler wit tow/haul feature. The truck has the smaller 345 hp engine, but tows with no problems, except for an occasional flat tire. I would think that the Ford Ecoboost engine should get much better mileage than my Dodge. I bought it used in 2017 with 130,000 miles for 11,000 dollars. You can keep your 68,000 dollar Ford. I still have 57,000 dollars in my pocket.
I love that blue color its really nice on that ford
I love my 2012 F150 Ecoboost. I tow a 7000 lb travel trailer cross country each summer and 8mpg is as good as I can get out of it. I have tried all different gas brands and octanes. I have 3.73 gears so next truck I should try 3.31 or 3.55. What gears does this truck have? I'm waiting and hoping for the F150 diesel. I don't need a Super Duty because the most I tow is a car or truck occasionally and my camper during the summer. I don't want to feed a big V8 the rest of the time.
I'd like to know what gearing was in the truck. 3.31, 3.55 or 3.73
Have you guys done this test with the same trailer but the new 10 speed?
All of the mpg test are panzie shit anyway. You bought a truck you know the mpg isnt good. All that matters is if it can handle the weight you need it to handle
If your truck got 2 mpg, I bet you'd change your tune. But hey, as a general statement, mpg doesn't matter
+leje0306 if my truck got 2 mpg i bet it was something for construction or really purpose built aka does what it needs so why would i care about mpg
+Matt Kingsley yes, but these trucks are commuters as well. Same purpose as a midsize sedan for a large percentage of the time. When buying a commuter, mpg matters. Why else would Ford brand it "eco"?
+leje0306 so idiots would buy it without doing proper research. I just hate how soft everyone is getting about their trucks.
My 2012 with the eco is a great riding truck. It is very comfortable on a long trip, and so far, will get the mileage claimed in the advertising.
Let's see what I can get for the $67,000 price tag.
$30,000:
Brand new Ford Fusion Titanium edition.
$30,000:
2012-2014 F-250 Super Duty FX4 Diesel
$7,000:
2012-2014 Yamaha V-Star 1300
(or)
$67,000:
An F-150
love the limited line f-150's i love my 08 limited, never had anyproblems out of it! (140k miles)
Yeah, lets use one weight for EVERY OTHER TRUCK, but change it for this one particular truck.
Sheesh. TfL is as good of a test of a truck as a burnout contest is.
My 2017 has the same trim but 10spd and gen2 Ecoboost. Only gets about 13mpg towing with a 7x16 cargo trailer.
This new trailer has a flat front, not the bullnose of your old livestock trailer. Since most of the trailer drag is air resistance on your level, 98 mile loop how does the mpg with this new trailer compare to the old one? I suspect that trailer load differences will be a lesser factor in mpg until you test on the Ike Gauntlet where grades make the trucks feel the towed weight.
Heyyy I love cm trailers
Awsome
I was getting 9 mpg with my frontier towing from Louisiana to Tx towing 6200lbs
Ecoboost is like a diesel effortlessly lumbering along at 2,000 rpm. I've towed similar loads in CO with my 5.7 tundra and it was having to hang down in 4th gear running 3,000+ rpm to maintain speed if there was a hint of head wind. Towing in the high plains of central Colorado at a mile above seal level is nothing like towing on flat land in south louisana at sea level. Kudos to ford.
Unfortunately ford/GM has gone insane with the pricing on their pickups.
2016 f350 powerstroke towing a similar load does not get much better fuel economy. MPG's were roughly around 11-12. There are a lot of factors to consider, though. Grade, wind, speed, tire pressure etc. The 1/2 ton is great for people who do not need all the power of the super duty's. The only dilemma I have with the 1/2 ton's is that they no longer offer a full cab with an 8' bed. Other than that, I like my 16 f150 lariat. Just make sure you read the sticker in the door jam before you buy the truck in order to get the real numbers from the truck.
I like the new trailer but anyway we could see some base model trucks, you know like what regular people can afford.
Did you use tow haul? What gearing?
Aren't you going to use that same truck to run the Super IKE?
Please do this with the 5.0 I will never buy an American v6.
Also way more reliable than the eco.
they need to do reviews on mid level trim and base model trucks to.. like xlt or lariat. like what most ppl get
...Excuse me...that truck costs how much?
Holy fuck! haha Who would pay that much for a truck?
Who would pay that much for a V6*
I think there so expensive because of the luxury in the truck, these trucks weren't really built for towing or payload, That's how ford presented there trucks
+Justin Tornatola Well if that's the case, that's ridiculous. The sole purpose of a truck is to carry weight whether it be inside it or behind it.
Ford's Ecoboost is one of the best 1/2 ton engines you can get right now. It's not just a V6 the turbochargers create loads of torque. And your still saving at the pump with better fuel mileage. It's a win/win
Best selling truck in the USA year after year, so to answer your question. The majority of truck and automobile buyers.
Wait no cap on the fuel tank so does the gas door lock. Just wondering in the event you have some shadey neighbors who want drop sugar in there.
If you have shady neighbors, you need to move.
It's makes a minor difference, but is the gear ratio 3:31 or 3:55 or 3:73 ???
Loaded down on a big hill dead stop with A/C cranking it makes a difference!
On some of the forums, people have reported getting better gas mileage with high octane fuel when towing. I'm not sure if this is true, I haven't had to tow anything heavy. Would this be something that you may be able to look into?
With the Ecoboost, the manufacturers recommend that you use 91 octane or higher when towing. When doing the Ike Gauntlet or the towing loop, do you guys use the 91 octane or the regular low grade? The octane makes a huge difference when towing with the Ecoboost
they say at the pumps its 91...but is it really?...dont trust em!
You did not use TOW MODE!
6:39 Tow Haul, on the tach.
You guys should strap the water tank to the floor of the trailer on all 4 corners. If you get into an accident, those load bars will not hold that load and it will rip through the front of the trailer and hit the truck too. Just a heads up for safety.
I thought the same those bars want hold that even if they hit the brakes hard
I have a 2014 Ecoboost towing a 2 horse trailer every now and then. I will say I’m expecting mpg’s to improve as time goes on... Fuel is only going to go up in price, let’s hope Ford can catch up.
One question, are all 3.5-liter ecoboosts turbocharged and are they also 10-speed?
No, they are not all turbocharged, and they can come with a 6 or a 10 speed.
The Tundra is the best 1/2 ton you can buy, built like a 3/4 ton, best reliability in the business, best resale in the business
yeah right
That's the last truck I would but they are garbage
+390merc65 lol
tundra=win
the new titan is also bad ass
Just thinking out loud about the discrepancy between the mpg's using the manual calculations vs what the truck's trip computer says. The ECU should know how much fuel it's told the injectors to dispense and it should know exact miles traveled as reported by the wheel sensors. Why should the on-board computer ever be that far off on calculating mpg?? Just wondering.
Where's the follow up video? interested to see the difference between the 16 and the 17.
Very typical towing mileage from the 3.5. I get similar results.
What weight will be used for the midsize trucks?
I like the test as always. But I don't understand why CM wouldn't provide you a V-nose enclosed trailer? Who pulls a trailer like that these days? :-)
Brighton!👍🏽👍🏽
do you have the real world mpg w/o towing?
So what was the old raptor MPG?
I towed 4,000 pound boat ,with a 2011 f150 3 5 EcoBoost, got 10 mpg , not impressed. As far as a 2019 pulling 4,000 pounds, what gets the best mpg 2.7,3.5 or 5 0 gas.
You guys should say what gas you fill with. Some trucks reccomend 89 mid gas and I think it would be interesting to do different loops with different grades. Also, Shell V-Power is supposed to be the best gasoline. I personally would never fill up at ARCO or less than good quality gas.
this would have been a much more interesting video had the same truck been configured with a V8. I'm guessing the non+turbo 8 would give gotten better had mileage at a lower cost.
you can only get the limited with the eb35.
i love how people complain about a 60k truck but its ok for a 3 million dollar car
a truck isn't close to a supercar lmao and what 3 million dollar car are you referring to?
Last I checked, the ecoboost engines require premium fuel when towing. Is that still the case?
No. they run just fine on regular.
I'd still go on a base model. A truck will always be a truck for me, if I want comfort XLT is the best model for me. Nice truck BUT Ford should also invest in developing the 5.0 nowadays they are so focused on the EcoBoost tech when there's so much potential with the V-8, I would really love any of the Big Three to develop a modern-age I-6 engine, powerful and lots of torque and efficient.
From a f 150 to a escalade fun
Slow down to 60 mph or 65 mph and it will likely get over 10 mpg.
That's right about where I thought it would be. I figured right around 8.5-9 mpg. Not all that great when I'm getting close to the same from my 12 year old 5.4 towing 7000 lbs.
Lol I bet your 5.4 barely gets 12 unloaded it is a shit engine not even comparable.
5.4 arent shit engines especially compared to a tiny 3.5 that needs 2 turbos to get out of its own way
this 3.5 only gets like 16 unloaded anyway so i dont get ur point
The ecoboost and 5.4 are worlds apart, the iceboats may loose more mpgs towing but you're 5.4 can't pull 11,700lbs like the EB can. I loved my 03 with the 5.4 but the 3.5 is much better.
+Kenny M I hope your kidding the 3.5 is a better motor than the 5.4 every day of the week. 5.4 is slow, heavy, and is way less fuel efficient, I doubt your 5.4 would get even 14 highway the 3.5 gets 21 real world
why on earth would you buy a 67k GAS truck?! and shit mileage at that....
ford fans.... but seriously 67k for a v6 turbo with a mpg of a 2007 truck,I prefer to buy a dodge or a chevy truck for 59k that got better mpg
Always been my issues with Fords. I'm not a Ford fan anyway but they have been extremely overpriced for a few years. All for a turbo V6 that is supposed to be revolutionary and Ford spent all that money on R&D just to be no different than a modern V8. In my opinion, these new F150s are some of the nicest looking trucks and the interior is great, but nothing about them are worth their 67k.
it's because it's a limited that just came of the factory. The 16 platinum is around 58 or 60.
+Adam Prior this one might be but not the ones over here in ga. The most expensive platinum that I saw was 57k new while I was searching for a truck.
wasup limited or not it's still 67. You can buy a fully loaded diesel for that....and get 14 mpg
The flat tall front of trailer is which brings down mpg
Is that your f150
If a New York Times reporter sees this video and decides to write a piece on it, it will go something like _and then Kent Sundling said, _*_"you got two balls...I like greasy balls"_*
Funny how they made those electronic gauges look identical to a 1988 Chevy K1500's gauges. GM should sue them. That would be funny.
I tow a 7000 pound boat with trailer. I get 11mpg with my '14 Tundra, which by the way, has a V-8 5.7l (350cc) engine, (so much for smaller displacement), and average 15mpg in mostly city driving. My Platinum Tundra cost 42 something when I bought it in October of '13. I can't imagine paying 25,000 dollars more. That amount would cover a large variety of cheaper boats. Guess there's one born everyday.
Btw, my '04 Titan got 11mpg with the same boat and trailer.That truck was a barebones 4x4 and cost me 26k. My Tundra is also a 4x4. I guess when Tundra engineers tell you why they haven't change anything is because of real world numbers and reliability, they can back it up.
And what altitude?
+No Name ~ 1000ft
+Troy Strain. I usually get around 10-11 pulling heavier stuff with my 14 Fx4 3.5 EB but unloaded I get 21-22 mpg on long trips.
+11DS450XMX That's great, I wish my Tundra got that good of mileage. But, I think you better take the savings at the pump and put away for future repairs. ;-)~
Why on every single video do people complain about the price. Every vid, every brand. The trucks these companies send out have the most options, hence they cost the most. According to Ford's website a 2016 Limited trim level starts at 59k, but you can get this engine in an XLT trim level which start at 32k. So you could probably get this engine for mid 30k after deals off of MSRP. You do not have to spend 67k to get a similarly capable truck.
Thats a crazy price for that truck. You can get a F350 Platinum for that same price. And if youre one to tow, the f350 is clearly the better option. It also doesnt look the price either. If you option the hell out of a ram, it cost 60k but looks like 65k. A GMC denali will reach the same price but at least it looks its price. Either way, both are expensive as hell and if you ask me, no 1500 truck should be over 60k.
Test the EcoDiesel please!
How do you not talk about gear ratio?
We're pulling a 5,600pds travel trailer with our f150 2016max tow package driving 70 mpr gas miles is 7.5 mph pulling. Is their something wrong. We should be getting more. The gear 0n 4
I get a little better than that towing a 6500 lb. trailer with my '15 F150 w/ 3.5L EcoBoost. (Usually 8-12 mpg, depending on wind.) I never go faster than 65 mph.
I think it's just a fact of life. If you want to pull big heavy box down the highway at speed with a small engine, you have to pump a lot of gas through it.
good to know my f150 v8 5.4l will pull this no probem!
Let me explain how it's possible Amsoil Signature Series,Bullydog Platinum GT Tuner and CAI and a very light right foot. Most don't believe but it is what it is. Also I don't live in a City it's mostly rural roads I drive very little city driving but the mileage doesn't change.
I deactivated cylinder deactivation and didn't change the MPG
Ford is making a lot of money on this luxurious trucks limited, king ranch, and platinum trucks ...... I see the everywhere
l guess I will be getting the 2009 ram 3500 Cummins.
@5:47 you damn right
So get a v6 for 67k or get a diesel for the same price if not a little less. I built a 2016 Chevy 2500 diesel the way I wanted it and it came to 63k just as a comparison
I get 8.5 to 9 in my 350 v10 pulling a 9000lbs 5th wheel. I dont know what is causing this "Eco" -boost to get such low economy.
The eco boost is using two air pumps (turbos) to boost horsepower and along with extra air is extra fuel.
so it gets about mpg as the chevys 6.2 and 5.3 while towing the same weight hmm
The 5.3L can't hang with the EcoBoost, the 6.2L is a better comparison.
So looking at these comments it has become crystal clear how uneducated most of you are so allow me to shine a little light on the subject. First of all if you are a brand-specific purchaser stop talking crap because we all know you're just hating. Not to mention for some reason it seems like most people that are talking crap are trying to point out favoritism for Dodge which just blows my mind because that's literally the only truck I think is a complete waste of money. I mean go Google the towing capacity of the Dodge Hemi four-wheel drive and you will see what I'm talking about. On the other hand any general motor Toyota or Ford truck is overall good product in my opinion. Unlike the Dodge you shouldn't need to replace the transmission every 50,000 miles. But I digress.
Several people asked why you wouldn't buy a 1 ton diesel instead of the F-150 EcoBoost.
Well of course you could buy a diesel but they are completely different markets. The diesel is meant for heavy lifting on a continuous basis and therefore is built much heavier and will be much more expensive to own and operate than the F-150. The fuel price may be about the same in the long run for towing but when this truck is running empty it should average around 23 miles per gallon which is going to be hard to match in diesels. This is the part where some smart a$$ tries to start talking about good fuel mileage from a tuned diesel. However that argument is completely void because this is a turbo truck and therefore can also be tuned to get better fuel mileage. Let's continue.
I've personally driven many trucks over the years and can guarantee you there's not a one ton truck on the market that will ride and shift nearly as smooth as this V6 will.
This truck fills the niche of those who need a nice daily driver that feels comfortable to drive around town 90% of the time but can also hook up to an RV or boat on the weekends.
The one ton truck is meant to be worked hard. It's meant to be used near its capacities the majority of the time and therefore rides like a brick with square Wheels.
Need I even mention the three or four times higher maintenance cost of a diesel?
Apples and oranges.
When the diesel comes out, the Turbo eco junk will hardly sell. Which prob is a good thing.
I doubt it. The diesel will have a premium and will not be as powerful. Ford has had some questionable diesels in the past 10 years (powerstroke 6.0 and 6.4) so the people will be weary.
I would be as well.
This truck is there to support Ford's decision to price crew cab '17 Raptors at $70k. Yet only $10k more gets you a new/used super car.
What was the rear end ratio on this limited ?
That sucks! My 07 4Runner V8 gets 8.5mpg towing my Cobalt at 6200#. Thanks for showing me what not to buy.
The fuck was that huge ass trailer at the beginning??? they gonna ship godzilla lol