i once have a team that flames me when i begged them to help me deward. not saying to buy sentry, just walk with me as the enemies are aiming for me dewarding. but they just stay farming, all 4 of them.
@@yagoosidol6338 that should be fine just farm at lane if all ur carries farmin jug u make space a bit ( dont die ) . dota is a situational game wardin and dewardin not the only thing u can do in dota. if can do that so , u could have stack , farm at lane ( close to ur carry ) , plant obs . Just deward it after winnin a clean fight will do because your carries also dont wanna risk their life to a no vision area
i played antimage for the first time recently. i got to say, its pretty fun. i never get to farm in my own jungle, cause its always taken, so i had to farm in enemy jungle 50% of the time. placed the observers in enemy jungle myself, since thats the only space i can find. at least i won the game.
When I subscribe to Jenkins I am essentially just giving my money to the homeless. Therefore it is a charity and I feel good about myself, thanks Jenkins.
Everything said here is myths and old legends for SEA. There are still people in the game who play mid and ask for wards even though they are free (observer)
moj jam you know what always works for me if they bought wards before me and I need them? “Bro can you give me ward please? I need for runes mid” so far it didn’t work only 1 time when they were pretty retarded from the get go, supports bought wards and when I asked they said they need and they put them in side lanes, not even in the spots to see jungle too. They then got jelly and put it on them, like 4 and 5. What a horrible line I had, non stop ganking, no runes, enemy mid was farming my medium camp beside radiant mid
@@valelelentin you can buy another ward at 1.30 still early enough to check the rune. Not saying that's how it should be, just a convenient workaround for retard teammates
I'm really interested to hear where the idea of mids not ganking comes from. I started playing DotA 2 in 2013 and other would tell me the mid is almost always the role that needed to do the ganking. I would play mid Puck and TA and gank all the time. Now i stopped playing Dota for a number of years and only got back into it a bit recently, but the mid being a ganker is an idea that I still have. So at least that one bad habit i dont have lol.
I've been playing since 2011 and I can't think of a time when mid was ever seen as a passive farm lane. Obviously there are some exceptions with greedy mids who want farm, but usually the popular mid heroes are ones that can abuse runes and gank the side lanes when they hit a power spike like QoP or storm.
On dota 1 the midlane hero was always ganking, starting even with the 2' minute rune. Usually ppl picked pudge, sf, mirana, zeus, lina or whatever, get a bottle and ganking over and over again on sidelanes. It could be min 20 and have 35 cs or something like that. At least on the platforms i played😂
sounds like pub picks, in leagues it was more like Viper, SF, Tiny, QoP, Puck (basically mobile heroes that can quickly nuke for >800 by level 7) Only would you ever see cores mid is if they draft a counter pick to the midlane with a core that has an edge in base damage recovery or range and is just better at scoring last hits and denies. Then you'd see DK Brood Huskar Outworld Devourer Necro and sometimes Panda or Sniper (fast attack point animations (can be good if you have low ping)).
@@sirknightdude2587 well yeah, those heroes too. Now that I think more ppl were playing any hero on mid back then. I remember seein a lot of AA, Bane, Ench, ET. Stuff like Topson plays nowadays. And I think it's better that way. I think that as long as you have fun and it works, you can try any build you want, no matter how weird and stupid may be in the eyes of the others. The community is really toxic and sticked to the basic concepts rn. For example if I pick AM mid and go for some MOM basher aghs build, at least 1 person from my team will flame since the very beggining and will find only me responsible for any mistake in the game. Meanwhile, I just wanna have fun and increase my MMR.
maybe you should have bought the ward then. That's literally why he said that carry should buy the wards because at later stage of the game, you're probably farming by yourself while your 4other teammates fight on the other side of the map. Even if they have the wards, they won't place it anywhere close to you just because they're too far away. If you feel endangered, just buy your own wards. Stop blaming your support on everything.
my carry blame me not warding and 2 wawrd left on base,and the fucker picked AM the easiest carry that can pick those ward place and safe farm mid game
I find the best way to play and win MMR is to pretend that Carry doesn't exist: If they are good- a mega creep in late-game to use as bait. If they aren't - well it's a 4v5 game anyway.
Love your thought-provoking opener, Dinosaurs oldest living relative would be birds! T-Rex most likely tasted like some sort of carnivorous poultry, like a hawk, falcon, or vulture. Also, mint chocolate chunk ice cream and north if i had to pick one direction
the most annoying thing is when supports kill the camps at the 10th second of the new minute. Like... FUCK YOU MAN now i have to stand like idiot for 30 seconds or just teleport somewhere
This video should be mandatory for every idiot before playing Ranked. Even in Divine 4 ppl don‘t get these concepts. I don‘t even wanna think about the lower tiers
The only thing separating you from me and my Herald brothers are a couple of clicks. If you’re trying to play like a pro but you’re not pro, you’re a loser like the rest of us.
@@BigDaddyTCG the thing seperating you and me is reflexion. Watching your own replays and realizing how dumb you are every time you play. I felt dumb watching my replays in every rank i have been to. from legend 4 to low immortal. Most ppl don't try to play like pros. Some just try to play at their best abilty, like in a career. I don't have fun in being bad. I seek improvement at everything I do. That's why I play dota and not some other game. If you start at herald or don't try, it's completely fine. If you are trying for couple of 1000s hours and you are still herald. Idk man. Grow a brain.
@@KidTrigger I'm kinda too bad for lower immortal that's why I play on Div 4 smurf. Due to commitment to work I don't play much. I might be able to rank up if I can hold +50% winrate for a good amount of games but I just don't play enough. Ppl do retarded stuff in every rank, but some basic concepts should be easy for someone to grasp who is half decent at something like dota
Nice video as always Jenkins, can you work on a video about position 1? What pro players do that you don’t or some clever topic around being a better position 1. I find your knowledge super useful and I really like hearing you as a caster, real game analyst!! Keep up.
One problem I have when I try to shove out the offlane/dangerous farm lane, is often even if i tell my team what i'm doing they will get into a bad 4v5 fight without me and feed, then ping spam me for missing the fight and flame me lol. I've often had to let T1's die to just creeps in order to not get reported for missing the team fight they choose to take without me. It's rough in solo queue.
Years ago, I used to buy wards and send them to my team via the courier, and they'd still be too lazy to ward. Like, what do you want me to do, walk all over the map just to place a ward, and then walk back again while my hard carry is dying in a 1v2?
The warding is what I don't understand with cores, observer ward is already free and because of support items 4 and 5 can no longer carry ward because their inventory is full and yet cores still don't want to exert effort to plant observer ward which can definently save a life. #supportlife
5:50 now my depression is cured Also, jenkins can you make a video about dota updates and metas we might have missed because of this quarantine. Thanks
True, a carry could purchase get a ward, but it's not ideal because he could be putting the ward in a spot that the enemy has their sentry at, thus making it an easy de-warding for the enemy. A carry would have to buy a sentry (which costs gold) in addition to a ward to guarantee that the place they are placing the ward isn't already sentried.
My favorite is when an export invoke does not even bother to drop a sunstrike to help the lane, even when the gank is called in time, and ppl even ping the target
there are many bat habbits old players have. for example there was an old-ass dota 1 rule that if you build an item, you should but expensive components first, or components that give health. but these days you need to think every time which components is more efficient to buy frist, for example sometimes its better to buy mkb with blitz knuckles and not demon edge etc
2:00, when my carry friends play support, they tend to gobble up all the neutral, all the kill, and saving themselves first instead of sacrificing yourself to save carry. And they dont even try.
About failing the lane happens to me all of the time. Sometimes 3 deaths and ur opponents already snowballed. And it took me long to notice that I should juat give up the lane and just not die.
The first advice about the farm stealing is so goddam true. I used to play carry and fed up of mostly every single game having my farming patterns broken again and again and again. Even more sad than supports doing that is when offlaners, aggressive offlaners like slardar farming jungles. Just because I am aware of this and pay attention to this, now that I play mostly pos 3 nd 4 my games are much easier just because I respect my carry farm and make space for him.
Your vids are all over the place really, I literally have a puck pos 4 today clearing every wave, stealing farm in front of core's face, saying they watch your clip and doing "The Puppey Strat".
That can't be attributed to Jenkins. The fact that the puck decided that this was the strat he was going to go for today without letting anyone know or finding his own pre-made team is him just being stupid. If the puck wanted to try a strat he should've found friends who wouldn't mind. Ain't Jenkins's fault.
Honestly Jenkins, I wish turbo players listened to any one of these strats, I used to not have time for normal games so I put my suffering in turbo mode. In turbo if mid ganks at lvl 6 and gets a double for his safe, safe goes up 1 lvl per hero, you get about 400 gold and mid goes up a level as well. You even use that ult you cant find a use for in mid and put in on cool down, I.e. use it for what it was intended
Regarding first point: Imho communication is the key, it would be nice if the carry would just say "I am farming the triangle, please do not steal my farm".
As an offlane player I cant agree more with your first advice. I see soooo many players playing the offlane bascially as a second carry and not as a space maker and this just ruins games.
TFW I’ve been playing this game for so long that I thought "mids don’t gank" is the advice when he started talking about old habits. When I joined in 2013, everyone insisted that mids should gank with their runes and I’ve never changed that mentality. Glad to see it’s apparently in-meta again xd
"4 habits that make you a bad Dota player" 1. You playing on sea server 2. You never use your mic 3. Use alien language 4. Disconnect every half second just admit it already.
I see the effect of Jenkins playing carry role "for some hypothetical reason that no one fucking knows but guess what everyone actually knows" in the 1st tip. Good job body keep it up.
Actually in Dota 1 mid was always the ganker. In Dota 2 it switched around, people ganked into mid and mid more farmed. It seems now we transition back to the way it was.
The trick with ganking as mid is, you MUST kill their carry or cores. If you waste your time and resource on a support kill two things happen: First the support gets a free ticket to the base,free tp scroll and buys wards salves etc.. And second now you don't actually know where that support is,so you lose info and they can gank your other lane now that you are very far. Oh also their mid gets like 2-3 completely free creep waves. So ALWAYS go for the carry/core kill. Sometimes I think it might be better not to kill that support even if it's the only one you can kill and it's guaranteed.
ty man ik most of this thx to dota2 caster analys in pro games specily the farm priority . a second thx for pointing that pudge is a poinltess hero erly mid and late game unless the enemy team insanly bad.
yo i was just thinking the same as jenkins said it. on the first problem, i was strictly only a carry player when i was legend for a couple of years, now i transitioned to strictly playing support role and now im ancient and i actually notice this. like if i am killing a camp, i look at the minimap and see that my carry is farming camps on the other end slowly going towards the camp im farming. i notice those things. what i do is to just make some of the creeps low and leave it
wait what? mid has always been great for roaming.. I remember playing solo mid for TDA in dota allstars like 15 years ago, and they always picked heavy roamers for me to play, like QoP and NA... Bottle + Rune is just too powerful, why wouldn't a mid roam? that's insane talk. It's literally always been amazing for mid to roam, what other reason is there to have a bottle/runes other than greed? It's for the mid to gank the side lanes. It was like that in dota allstars, AND in the betas for both HoN and DotA 2..
One thing was wrong. I come from dota 1 and the midlane hero ALWAYS had to be good at ganging and do so as soon as he hits lvl6 usually. Just farming mid might have been a 2007 dota strategy having a silencer and viper farm mid but those days were long gone by the time dota 2 hit
Recently I and Viper fed on our offlane and kept coming. 6 deaths till 10-minute mark. Still won, coz they had trilane (Shadow Shaman, Lion, Sven) and we out lvled them.
I play on the SEA server and even as a pos 1/2/3, I'll always buy and carry the wards myself to plant **UNLESS** my supports are just that good that I don't have to do so. And if I die due to my lousy warding skills, it's solely my fault. Observer wards are now free! Just send them along with your items in laning phase. Ironically, despite playing both dota 1 & 2, and having over 5000 hours accumulatively, I still feel that I have flaws which this video addresses one of it which is the sub-duty of a pos 5 :) A great video by the way!
so a carry playing am is going to miss out on sooo much because he didnt get one last hit in a neutral camp in a 55 minute game... context matters... what if your carries are already losing the game for you, because they have no reaction time or never go on low enemies right under their own towers? context matters. This game is super complicated and everyone thinks they are right, so it's funny how your first tip is don't 'steal' from your carry, without mentioning whether that carry is doing well or not so far in that match.... context matters...
the only exception to the rule are the low tier mid heroes, the dumb right click mid heroes and tinker. Those are heroes that are either too slow to go gank enemy lanes, need a lot of items to scale or they are made to dominate mid, take it fast and then proceed to join another lane and start team fighting. And Tinker of course is the opposite. The whole point is to delay his BoTs before he becomes a global gank presence. So in this case mid needs to get ganked hard.
I played since 2013 and there was as certain build up of a midlane mindset from absolutely go gank lanes to stay farm and win with gold advantage, because you'll just waste you time anyway, since people learnt to write "ss" for a missing hero in chat and your teammates on the lane have no mana and hp anyway. So now you actually need to break your midset as mid laner togo gank again.
im in ancient bracket SEA we usually have a magnus mid that steal triangle farm in a badgame. E.X when i have a spectre game in a losing match up im force to take the hard farm / dangerous farm near unwarded area usually bottom lane that tower got taken because most of the time my magnus is taking the triangle. what should i do in this situation jenkins?
As a support I trade with my carry with 2 small camps for 4 large camps and ancients all with 3-5 stacks by 13-15 mins. Then farm the lane when he goes jungling.
I'm Archon 5. Stagnating for a while now, trying to get to Legend 1. I've found that Archon, Crusader and Herald aren't that different. Things in Archon just happen quicker and more farm is being taken. And the more I read about the higher brackets, the more I am convinced that things aren't very different there. Players rank up, they improve their reflexes, muscle memory, team fighting skill. But they are still bad when it comes to making decisions and their selfishness. The toxicity and emotional reactions are also the same.
I'm at 1k MMR what I always see is people not buying regen at the start of the game, always rushing boots, wand or wraith band. My last four games I've won the laning phase by showing up and casting one spell.
if there is no space for carry to farm, I think the real issue is, are we all competing for farm which translate to "are we all picking semi core or hard carry?". If yes, then someone else need to give up their farm. If you have AM and Tinker in one team and NP, for sure there will be no space to farm unless you are controlling whole map. However, during the game, no one wants to give up their farm and as a result everyone has sub par item while enemy core already at peak
i once played pos5 dark seer and stacked a camp 4 times. i kept telling my core to come take this. i even pinged the mid who was Lina to take it but they didnt. there was a techies in enemy team running around and thought he would take it for himself so i took the stack for myself. sometimes, cores are stupid.
Yesssss! Damn, I have been spamming terrorblade and the most fraustrating thing is seeing dark enemy side and 3 teammates rape my jungle. No stacks no nothing and if its not enough i even get qop to blink into a camp im farmimg and scream. Like wowwww how bad you want to lose? I started pathing my conjure images to the enemy t2-t3 towers and aggro fresh waves into camps. But that still not enough as my rape the jungle while the enemy control the map. Send helpppp Well the upside of this is when i play pos 5 or 4 i super sensetive for my carry's farm. I stack 2 to 3 camps at a time make sure theyre doing well. Placing wards on defensive spots so they can avoid ganks. Yea i treat them as i wanted to be treated when i play TB
yes, good carry tends to be a good support also. I was once winning an impossible game when mid Sniper decided to keep warding on his own farming place, and I only need to deward it from any possible sentry and/or obs, best carry ever
@@haysnairte4 I usually carry with me wards to farming place if my support doesnt. Its a great habit i developed ever since wards became free. It saved me a great amount of deaths over the years
Yeah one of my friends who is not a carry player tells me to get more farm and more levels when I play offlane core but invariably I am near the carry and they could easily want the camp and it is also nowhere near minute tick. I played a carry once to know how annoying it is to enter the jungle to realise there are no goddamn creeps to smack
When did the "Mid hero isn't a ganker" misconception start??? I've been playing since dota1 to HoN to dota2, it has always been that mid needs to constantly gank side lanes..wtf
Yea i play moba for 10 years, mid creating space for carry was always a rule. Idk where he got that part from, it was always some trash bracket morons farming for 30 mins with midlaner with no gamesense.
I sometimes gank when I am in mid, but when I go mid broodmother I never gank, people complain why I dont get a scepter and help, but I tell them that in some tutorials I saw, the pros say "broodmother doesn't gank". I know that when I break the first tower I should move to help, only then, but even that would be right, instead of that I go breaking the tier 2 and 3 mid towers, just because it is cool with broodmother, then ALL the enemies come to defend mid and I make space for them to go breaking the lane towers, is that TOO bad?? (I mean I have fun, and I play non-classyficatory, my rank was between courier and guardian more or less). My strat works most of the time and honestly Brood is the only hero I got mvps.. I have 50 mvp..
The 1st point is true on Legend yesterday my Lion and Lina (5 and 4) made me shove lanes deep on Sven while farming my triangle. It happens all the time
When I was lower rank the problem was no one even bought ward not even the observer so I was mid or carry and buy sentrys the get rid of enemy vision to not die
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Tells to pick a mid that has a spirit in their name.
Me: *picks Spirit Breaker*
Vengeful Spirit
still doesn't gank
@@OppositeOfMute Topson did VS mid a couple patches ago. In pubs tho
@@josephreynolds2401 he picked it in tournament also😂
@@OppositeOfMute VS mid isn't even that bad though
I can ward the whole map as a support and end up getting blamed by a core dying in the dewarded place of the map.
wardin is just like havin a small action durin walkin no big action or motive like walkin alone and place it
it would be a top notch wardin if u place a obs wards durin a fight so keep one obs durin smoke
i once have a team that flames me when i begged them to help me deward. not saying to buy sentry, just walk with me as the enemies are aiming for me dewarding. but they just stay farming, all 4 of them.
@@yagoosidol6338 i feel you bro.
@@yagoosidol6338 that should be fine just farm at lane if all ur carries farmin jug u make space a bit ( dont die ) . dota is a situational game wardin and dewardin not the only thing u can do in dota. if can do that so , u could have stack , farm at lane ( close to ur carry ) , plant obs . Just deward it after winnin a clean fight will do because your carries also dont wanna risk their life to a no vision area
1:22 Antimage arriving at an empty jungle camp.
I felt that.
Same, then u have to go deep for a creep wave then you die. Coz they taking all jungle like shit
Ez
Trench is deep my dudes
i played antimage for the first time recently. i got to say, its pretty fun. i never get to farm in my own jungle, cause its always taken, so i had to farm in enemy jungle 50% of the time. placed the observers in enemy jungle myself, since thats the only space i can find. at least i won the game.
That just make me happy. everyone play useless mage
When I subscribe to Jenkins I am essentially just giving my money to the homeless. Therefore it is a charity and I feel good about myself, thanks Jenkins.
It's like my granpappy always said, "Never trust a hobo in a tie."
Everything said here is myths and old legends for SEA. There are still people in the game who play mid and ask for wards even though they are free (observer)
moj jam you know what always works for me if they bought wards before me and I need them? “Bro can you give me ward please? I need for runes mid” so far it didn’t work only 1 time when they were pretty retarded from the get go, supports bought wards and when I asked they said they need and they put them in side lanes, not even in the spots to see jungle too. They then got jelly and put it on them, like 4 and 5. What a horrible line I had, non stop ganking, no runes, enemy mid was farming my medium camp beside radiant mid
@@valelelentin you can buy another ward at 1.30 still early enough to check the rune. Not saying that's how it should be, just a convenient workaround for retard teammates
That's just 5 mmr midlaners, regardless of server
Mahendran K I know you can but they spam right click on it and still buy it. I’m 4,5k FYI, you what 1k?
u cant practice correct dota in sea and if u do u gona get reported
I'm really interested to hear where the idea of mids not ganking comes from. I started playing DotA 2 in 2013 and other would tell me the mid is almost always the role that needed to do the ganking. I would play mid Puck and TA and gank all the time. Now i stopped playing Dota for a number of years and only got back into it a bit recently, but the mid being a ganker is an idea that I still have. So at least that one bad habit i dont have lol.
I've been playing since 2011 and I can't think of a time when mid was ever seen as a passive farm lane. Obviously there are some exceptions with greedy mids who want farm, but usually the popular mid heroes are ones that can abuse runes and gank the side lanes when they hit a power spike like QoP or storm.
Me who dont even play dota 2 anymore: Hmm. Yes
I learned something on something i dont play anymore
Haha exactly my case
Exactly my case too haha
@@fauzanarisyikoto3418 So I've started playing again. That's what binge-watching DotA videos does to you.
On dota 1 the midlane hero was always ganking, starting even with the 2' minute rune. Usually ppl picked pudge, sf, mirana, zeus, lina or whatever, get a bottle and ganking over and over again on sidelanes. It could be min 20 and have 35 cs or something like that. At least on the platforms i played😂
Good old days when pudge hook and mirana arrow is still fast af
yes. idk why he says calling Nature Prophet as Furion is stupid. lol
sounds like pub picks, in leagues it was more like Viper, SF, Tiny, QoP, Puck (basically mobile heroes that can quickly nuke for >800 by level 7) Only would you ever see cores mid is if they draft a counter pick to the midlane with a core that has an edge in base damage recovery or range and is just better at scoring last hits and denies. Then you'd see DK Brood Huskar Outworld Devourer Necro and sometimes Panda or Sniper (fast attack point animations (can be good if you have low ping)).
@@sirknightdude2587 well yeah, those heroes too. Now that I think more ppl were playing any hero on mid back then. I remember seein a lot of AA, Bane, Ench, ET. Stuff like Topson plays nowadays. And I think it's better that way. I think that as long as you have fun and it works, you can try any build you want, no matter how weird and stupid may be in the eyes of the others. The community is really toxic and sticked to the basic concepts rn. For example if I pick AM mid and go for some MOM basher aghs build, at least 1 person from my team will flame since the very beggining and will find only me responsible for any mistake in the game. Meanwhile, I just wanna have fun and increase my MMR.
well those are good ol days, in dota 2 mid lane actually wants lvl 4 safe to gank mid lane XD
the cores dont ward is funny for me when i play core my 5 is just holding all the wards and is just at lane not doing anything
Your teammates reflects how you play too. If your rank has shit players then you are one of them. If you are good then you will rank high.
@@maximomanabat8382 how will you explain EE and Mason phenomena?
maybe you should have bought the ward then. That's literally why he said that carry should buy the wards because at later stage of the game, you're probably farming by yourself while your 4other teammates fight on the other side of the map. Even if they have the wards, they won't place it anywhere close to you just because they're too far away. If you feel endangered, just buy your own wards. Stop blaming your support on everything.
my carry blame me not warding and 2 wawrd left on base,and the fucker picked AM the easiest carry that can pick those ward place and safe farm mid game
@@welkidofianga4153 I dont know what EE and Maxon phenomena are. Would you care to explain? sounds interesting.
I find the best way to play and win MMR is to pretend that Carry doesn't exist:
If they are good- a mega creep in late-game to use as bait.
If they aren't - well it's a 4v5 game anyway.
11:34 = a Dota legend that needs to come back
Why subliminal baby at 5:49 XD (watch at 0.25 speed!)
wtf was that lol and how did you see it first lol
wtf man 😂😂😂😂
Love your thought-provoking opener, Dinosaurs oldest living relative would be birds! T-Rex most likely tasted like some sort of carnivorous poultry, like a hawk, falcon, or vulture.
Also, mint chocolate chunk ice cream and north if i had to pick one direction
What is the situation about lawyers that you mentioned at the end? I didn't catch that before and I am curious to know about that. btw great video!
I like how all heroes with "spirit" in its name is really really great at ganking and can even play at different roles
"don't feed 7 deaths by 10 minutes"
*sweat in pos 5*
You need to value your life more as a support actually
early? absolutely. Late? nah man throw yourself at them as long as your ult is on CD respawn timers still count towards freezing field time
the most annoying thing is when supports kill the camps at the 10th second of the new minute. Like... FUCK YOU MAN now i have to stand like idiot for 30 seconds or just teleport somewhere
i sweat as a pos 4 xd
This video should be mandatory for every idiot before playing Ranked. Even in Divine 4 ppl don‘t get these concepts. I don‘t even wanna think about the lower tiers
Providence divine 4 is low get good noob and you won’t have noobs Anymore
The only thing separating you from me and my Herald brothers are a couple of clicks. If you’re trying to play like a pro but you’re not pro, you’re a loser like the rest of us.
:O toxic
@@BigDaddyTCG the thing seperating you and me is reflexion. Watching your own replays and realizing how dumb you are every time you play. I felt dumb watching my replays in every rank i have been to. from legend 4 to low immortal. Most ppl don't try to play like pros. Some just try to play at their best abilty, like in a career. I don't have fun in being bad. I seek improvement at everything I do. That's why I play dota and not some other game. If you start at herald or don't try, it's completely fine. If you are trying for couple of 1000s hours and you are still herald. Idk man. Grow a brain.
@@KidTrigger I'm kinda too bad for lower immortal that's why I play on Div 4 smurf. Due to commitment to work I don't play much. I might be able to rank up if I can hold +50% winrate for a good amount of games but I just don't play enough. Ppl do retarded stuff in every rank, but some basic concepts should be easy for someone to grasp who is half decent at something like dota
Nice video as always Jenkins, can you work on a video about position 1? What pro players do that you don’t or some clever topic around being a better position 1.
I find your knowledge super useful and I really like hearing you as a caster, real game analyst!!
Keep up.
Carlos Gamboa Encinas just get good noob farm better and make no mistakes and don’t cry and sell your items when your team makes one mistake
One problem I have when I try to shove out the offlane/dangerous farm lane, is often even if i tell my team what i'm doing they will get into a bad 4v5 fight without me and feed, then ping spam me for missing the fight and flame me lol. I've often had to let T1's die to just creeps in order to not get reported for missing the team fight they choose to take without me. It's rough in solo queue.
Years ago, I used to buy wards and send them to my team via the courier, and they'd still be too lazy to ward. Like, what do you want me to do, walk all over the map just to place a ward, and then walk back again while my hard carry is dying in a 1v2?
The warding is what I don't understand with cores, observer ward is already free and because of support items 4 and 5 can no longer carry ward because their inventory is full and yet cores still don't want to exert effort to plant observer ward which can definently save a life. #supportlife
The other day I reinstalled and built a diffusal thinking it could purge buffs on me
2:46
"Vsauce, Jenkins here"
damn, this is so underrated
good to watch it at the morning :D being totally honest, I've this "issues" long behind me.
5:50 now my depression is cured
Also, jenkins can you make a video about dota updates and metas we might have missed because of this quarantine. Thanks
True, a carry could purchase get a ward, but it's not ideal because he could be putting the ward in a spot that the enemy has their sentry at, thus making it an easy de-warding for the enemy. A carry would have to buy a sentry (which costs gold) in addition to a ward to guarantee that the place they are placing the ward isn't already sentried.
This is pure excuse.
My favorite is when an export invoke does not even bother to drop a sunstrike to help the lane, even when the gank is called in time, and ppl even ping the target
hobos ? you mean gorgc? i've heard he has been adopted by s4...it will all resolve soon
there are many bat habbits old players have. for example there was an old-ass dota 1 rule that if you build an item, you should but expensive components first, or components that give health. but these days you need to think every time which components is more efficient to buy frist, for example sometimes its better to buy mkb with blitz knuckles and not demon edge etc
2:00, when my carry friends play support, they tend to gobble up all the neutral, all the kill, and saving themselves first instead of sacrificing yourself to save carry. And they dont even try.
About failing the lane happens to me all of the time. Sometimes 3 deaths and ur opponents already snowballed. And it took me long to notice that I should juat give up the lane and just not die.
The first advice about the farm stealing is so goddam true. I used to play carry and fed up of mostly every single game having my farming patterns broken again and again and again. Even more sad than supports doing that is when offlaners, aggressive offlaners like slardar farming jungles. Just because I am aware of this and pay attention to this, now that I play mostly pos 3 nd 4 my games are much easier just because I respect my carry farm and make space for him.
I hate the thing when carry is about to respawn and your support run and take all 3 waves pushing into you to farm 😭
Your vids are all over the place really, I literally have a puck pos 4 today clearing every wave, stealing farm in front of core's face, saying they watch your clip and doing "The Puppey Strat".
That can't be attributed to Jenkins. The fact that the puck decided that this was the strat he was going to go for today without letting anyone know or finding his own pre-made team is him just being stupid.
If the puck wanted to try a strat he should've found friends who wouldn't mind. Ain't Jenkins's fault.
It’s so strange, I remember mid from the 2013-4 days being THE gank lane.
Honestly Jenkins, I wish turbo players listened to any one of these strats, I used to not have time for normal games so I put my suffering in turbo mode. In turbo if mid ganks at lvl 6 and gets a double for his safe, safe goes up 1 lvl per hero, you get about 400 gold and mid goes up a level as well. You even use that ult you cant find a use for in mid and put in on cool down, I.e. use it for what it was intended
We got bait and switched by the image of cm standing in trees.
In low ancient, I can't even pick a farm dependent carry because the jungle is usually empty.
Regarding first point:
Imho communication is the key, it would be nice if the carry would just say "I am farming the triangle, please do not steal my farm".
4:55 i always do this... only if support doesnt buy up all the wards and places it in his lane :/
As an offlane player I cant agree more with your first advice. I see soooo many players playing the offlane bascially as a second carry and not as a space maker and this just ruins games.
TFW I’ve been playing this game for so long that I thought "mids don’t gank" is the advice when he started talking about old habits. When I joined in 2013, everyone insisted that mids should gank with their runes and I’ve never changed that mentality. Glad to see it’s apparently in-meta again xd
"4 habits that make you a bad Dota player"
1. You playing on sea server
2. You never use your mic
3. Use alien language
4. Disconnect every half second
just admit it already.
Speaking on sea server will be like conversing with a cave that echoes back in a language you don't understand
@@unimpressedsquidward3059 lmao. damn man. so true.
i think be problems no they 4 list，big problems is play like feeder ，gg game
atleast sea wins tournaments....go complain about your peruvian friends
I see the effect of Jenkins playing carry role "for some hypothetical reason that no one fucking knows but guess what everyone actually knows" in the 1st tip. Good job body keep it up.
This tutorial is so good. Actually god-like. Thanks for making it, I hope more players watch this, regardless of the bracket.
I have a bad habit of pressing "1" "2" "3" keys repeatedly and I don't know why.
In fountain? I know ;)
starcraft?
Actually in Dota 1 mid was always the ganker. In Dota 2 it switched around, people ganked into mid and mid more farmed. It seems now we transition back to the way it was.
The trick with ganking as mid is, you MUST kill their carry or cores. If you waste your time and resource on a support kill two things happen: First the support gets a free ticket to the base,free tp scroll and buys wards salves etc.. And second now you don't actually know where that support is,so you lose info and they can gank your other lane now that you are very far. Oh also their mid gets like 2-3 completely free creep waves. So ALWAYS go for the carry/core kill. Sometimes I think it might be better not to kill that support even if it's the only one you can kill and it's guaranteed.
ty man ik most of this thx to dota2 caster analys in pro games specily the farm priority . a second thx for pointing that pudge is a poinltess hero erly mid and late game unless the enemy team insanly bad.
yo i was just thinking the same as jenkins said it. on the first problem, i was strictly only a carry player when i was legend for a couple of years, now i transitioned to strictly playing support role and now im ancient and i actually notice this. like if i am killing a camp, i look at the minimap and see that my carry is farming camps on the other end slowly going towards the camp im farming. i notice those things. what i do is to just make some of the creeps low and leave it
The reason you gave for supporting you at the end of the video is jaw dropping 🤣
@Jenkins please share this video for all people in my rank, pubs basics thinks and people's not thinking about this
ty for giving +400 mmr so far. looking forward to 2k more!
Dude jenkins ty. Im gonna send this vid to my friends who doesnt get this till now
You know what Jenkins? I will watch this pair of ads because you put it at the end of the video instead of 5 times throughout.
What??? When I first started Dota in 2014 I always thought mid was the resident ganking role purely because of their level advantage.
It was the same concept many years ago in Dota 1, not sure what this guy is talking about. Agree with the rest though
"wonders what dinosaurs taste like on a daily basis" i'm not sure if this is stupid or genius.
Jenkins doesn't even know chicken is a Dinosaur.
Amazing video sir. Really opened my eyes. I wished everyone in my bracket watched this.
Subscribed 👍
wait what? mid has always been great for roaming.. I remember playing solo mid for TDA in dota allstars like 15 years ago, and they always picked heavy roamers for me to play, like QoP and NA... Bottle + Rune is just too powerful, why wouldn't a mid roam? that's insane talk. It's literally always been amazing for mid to roam, what other reason is there to have a bottle/runes other than greed? It's for the mid to gank the side lanes. It was like that in dota allstars, AND in the betas for both HoN and DotA 2..
One thing was wrong. I come from dota 1 and the midlane hero ALWAYS had to be good at ganging and do so as soon as he hits lvl6 usually.
Just farming mid might have been a 2007 dota strategy having a silencer and viper farm mid but those days were long gone by the time dota 2 hit
the fun part in lower brackets is that. carries dont farm at all. they run around aimlessly. 30mins with 10min items.
Recently I and Viper fed on our offlane and kept coming. 6 deaths till 10-minute mark. Still won, coz they had trilane (Shadow Shaman, Lion, Sven) and we out lvled them.
Thank you for this. Hope for some more vids.
I actually flame supports now for getting all the wards and just letting it sit in their inventory. Especially when the rune ward is about to run out.
For some reason this still happens in the High Legend - Low Ancient bracket.
I play on the SEA server and even as a pos 1/2/3, I'll always buy and carry the wards myself to plant **UNLESS** my supports are just that good that I don't have to do so. And if I die due to my lousy warding skills, it's solely my fault. Observer wards are now free! Just send them along with your items in laning phase. Ironically, despite playing both dota 1 & 2, and having over 5000 hours accumulatively, I still feel that I have flaws which this video addresses one of it which is the sub-duty of a pos 5 :) A great video by the way!
so a carry playing am is going to miss out on sooo much because he didnt get one last hit in a neutral camp in a 55 minute game... context matters... what if your carries are already losing the game for you, because they have no reaction time or never go on low enemies right under their own towers? context matters. This game is super complicated and everyone thinks they are right, so it's funny how your first tip is don't 'steal' from your carry, without mentioning whether that carry is doing well or not so far in that match.... context matters...
the only exception to the rule are the low tier mid heroes, the dumb right click mid heroes and tinker. Those are heroes that are either too slow to go gank enemy lanes, need a lot of items to scale or they are made to dominate mid, take it fast and then proceed to join another lane and start team fighting.
And Tinker of course is the opposite. The whole point is to delay his BoTs before he becomes a global gank presence. So in this case mid needs to get ganked hard.
I played since 2013 and there was as certain build up of a midlane mindset from absolutely go gank lanes to stay farm and win with gold advantage, because you'll just waste you time anyway, since people learnt to write "ss" for a missing hero in chat and your teammates on the lane have no mana and hp anyway.
So now you actually need to break your midset as mid laner togo gank again.
Your existence makes my games better. GGz Jenkins.
im in ancient bracket SEA we usually have a magnus mid that steal triangle farm in a badgame. E.X when i have a spectre game in a losing match up im force to take the hard farm / dangerous farm near unwarded area usually bottom lane that tower got taken because most of the time my magnus is taking the triangle. what should i do in this situation jenkins?
find someone to feel sorry for you, praise how good you really are at playing and lose the game.
@@AxaFin hahahha
communicate with them and tell them why they shouldn't do it
My cores wont change lane even my lane is fked up
As a support I trade with my carry with 2 small camps for 4 large camps and ancients all with 3-5 stacks by 13-15 mins. Then farm the lane when he goes jungling.
I legitimately just lost a ranked game in ancient bracket after watching this and everything Jenkins mentioned appeared in that game.
I'm Archon 5. Stagnating for a while now, trying to get to Legend 1. I've found that Archon, Crusader and Herald aren't that different. Things in Archon just happen quicker and more farm is being taken. And the more I read about the higher brackets, the more I am convinced that things aren't very different there. Players rank up, they improve their reflexes, muscle memory, team fighting skill. But they are still bad when it comes to making decisions and their selfishness. The toxicity and emotional reactions are also the same.
@@1darkmesiah1 Well condensed, more efficient itemization is also key difference between brackets and team synergy.
I'm at 1k MMR what I always see is people not buying regen at the start of the game, always rushing boots, wand or wraith band. My last four games I've won the laning phase by showing up and casting one spell.
if there is no space for carry to farm, I think the real issue is, are we all competing for farm which translate to "are we all picking semi core or hard carry?". If yes, then someone else need to give up their farm. If you have AM and Tinker in one team and NP, for sure there will be no space to farm unless you are controlling whole map. However, during the game, no one wants to give up their farm and as a result everyone has sub par item while enemy core already at peak
i dont play dota2 anymore, but im here to hear Jenkin voice.
Gread vid as usual. Keep ur good work man!
i once played pos5 dark seer and stacked a camp 4 times. i kept telling my core to come take this. i even pinged the mid who was Lina to take it but they didnt. there was a techies in enemy team running around and thought he would take it for himself so i took the stack for myself. sometimes, cores are stupid.
There's so many advantages to placing your own wards regardless of which position you're in.
nice vid man
Yesssss!
Damn, I have been spamming terrorblade and the most fraustrating thing is seeing dark enemy side and 3 teammates rape my jungle.
No stacks no nothing and if its not enough i even get qop to blink into a camp im farmimg and scream.
Like wowwww how bad you want to lose?
I started pathing my conjure images to the enemy t2-t3 towers and aggro fresh waves into camps.
But that still not enough as my rape the jungle while the enemy control the map.
Send helpppp
Well the upside of this is when i play pos 5 or 4 i super sensetive for my carry's farm. I stack 2 to 3 camps at a time make sure theyre doing well.
Placing wards on defensive spots so they can avoid ganks. Yea i treat them as i wanted to be treated when i play TB
yes, good carry tends to be a good support also. I was once winning an impossible game when mid Sniper decided to keep warding on his own farming place, and I only need to deward it from any possible sentry and/or obs, best carry ever
@@haysnairte4 I usually carry with me wards to farming place if my support doesnt.
Its a great habit i developed ever since wards became free.
It saved me a great amount of deaths over the years
Jenkins: Dont get the farm of the carry
SEA Region: What? Get jungle farm ? Ok
I've been carried by Deso Maiden before. I swear, just about anything goes in SEA.
- “Don’t steal creeps from your carry”
- *LAUGHS IN WRAITH KING*
ONE DOESN'T RAISE AN ARMY ON AIR AND GOOD GRACES, PEASANT.
What do you do as pos 5 when you are getting belted and change lanes to get told you're taking offlane xp and your post 1 now dies and blames you?
well in sea pos 5 and pos 4 is jungling while pos 123 is pushing lane
what if you come across stubborn players who wont listen to reason and switch lanes?
Do you also feel like silent pos5 supports are kind of depressed?
Yeah one of my friends who is not a carry player tells me to get more farm and more levels when I play offlane core but invariably I am near the carry and they could easily want the camp and it is also nowhere near minute tick. I played a carry once to know how annoying it is to enter the jungle to realise there are no goddamn creeps to smack
When did the "Mid hero isn't a ganker" misconception start??? I've been playing since dota1 to HoN to dota2, it has always been that mid needs to constantly gank side lanes..wtf
Well if u picked dusa and trax mid,thats why
Yea i play moba for 10 years, mid creating space for carry was always a rule. Idk where he got that part from, it was always some trash bracket morons farming for 30 mins with midlaner with no gamesense.
I sometimes gank when I am in mid, but when I go mid broodmother I never gank, people complain why I dont get a scepter and help, but I tell them that in some tutorials I saw, the pros say "broodmother doesn't gank".
I know that when I break the first tower I should move to help, only then, but even that would be right, instead of that I go breaking the tier 2 and 3 mid towers, just because it is cool with broodmother, then ALL the enemies come to defend mid and I make space for them to go breaking the lane towers, is that TOO bad??
(I mean I have fun, and I play non-classyficatory, my rank was between courier and guardian more or less). My strat works most of the time and honestly Brood is the only hero I got mvps.. I have 50 mvp..
@@capsuleboy Thats exactly brood job. Win lane, push and create space.
Really great tips!
Thank you!
The 1st point is true on Legend yesterday my Lion and Lina (5 and 4) made me shove lanes deep on Sven while farming my triangle. It happens all the time
You have to told them. I got +2 stars in 1st MMR season when I started to talk.
can u make video about what to do when u losing lanes?
is it recommendable for support players to buy a bottle from the start and give it to the mid player?
5:49 Easter egg
11:34 better easter egg
When I was lower rank the problem was no one even bought ward not even the observer so I was mid or carry and buy sentrys the get rid of enemy vision to not die
Dark chocolate and Lemon Sorbet, Gelato type ice cream.
Harry styles?
The first one i'm a victim of SO often when i play carry...