We use a bucket and line it with about 10 to twenty bags, one inside another. Do your business, tie off the first inner bag and push it down (if it’s just wee, add gel powder or kitty litter) and do your next business on top, tie off inner bag number two, push down and repeat until your bucket is fairly full. The tie it all off with the last bag and either bury out bush or put in a rubbish bin/dumpster. It’s basically a homemade, cheaper and more environmentally friendly dry flush
@@Cookiecutter160oh please.. save your environmentally friendly self righteousness for real polluters! Your flush and your sink water in your home all go to the same place.. a nearby water source no❓garbage is garbage Hun
I've used dry flush for years. Before Use: Add a speck of kitty litter, paper towel, flush once & another speck of kitty litter. Now it's primed. Kitty litter for urine is a must. Urinate multiple times. Just before flushing add more kitty litter and a couple of paper towels. Don't flush unless you do #2. If time has lapsed between use, add a little more kitty litter and about 3/4 cup fresh water. In this case, the Laveo Dry Flush has been used for medical use, on the road, in a Yukon, in a Highlander and in a Class B RV. We are considering adding it to a forest Man Cave with 6 beds. It's a life changing product for our family. I wish there was a better score than A+ because this toilet deserves it.
I have replaced the regular black tank toilet in our 5th wheel with a separet tiny and it was the best upgrade ever.. the whole family actually loves this toilet better than the toilets at home, as you see nothing, smell nothing.. well except the person having to empty the bag 🤣 but if done right with keeping the lid on until you're actually at the bin to throw the bag, it's pretty straightforward and painless.
Love your channel! The perfect RV toilet would involve no handling of waste. In Finland, I took a train with a toilet. It was only available when the train was moving, for obvious reasons. Let's just say you would be wise to stand clear of the tracks when the train was 'wizzing' by
In Finland, there's a saying that goes "toimii kuin junan vessa". It literally means "works like the toilet on a train", meaning it's simple and it works.
Have had a Tiny installed for 6 months and have had similar positive experience, although I can smell it on side of van sometimes. I bought the version with external urine drain and send it into to my grey water tank, which also has my shower output.
Good one - thank you for this vid! We use dry flush and agree with everything you said except perhaps to emphasize that it's an ongoing expense due the cartridge's. We do use cat-litter for the liquid. With our 6" vent fan open (but not running) in our small shower alcove the cat-litter/liquid can sit for multiple uses (all day) and does not smell in the 7 x 14 trailer space. Like a cat box. 2 of us use a cartridge every 3 days. But other than the squishy feel, there's no smell disposing of the bundle - and it's just a smaller black plastic bag so it's not obvious what you're throwing away :)
Thanks for the update. Whoda thunk that doing a van buildout vlog would make you a Waste Disposal Superstar. Fame comes in mysterious ways. You've been struck by Poop Lightening. Congrats!
Excellent video, Seven. Your combination of the waterless #2 and urine diversion toilet will be great, if someone ever gets around to making it. Thanks!
I heard pine pellets are the way to go for the #2 side on the separator. You get them at the tractor supply store, and it's way cheaper than kitty litter.
Your videos are all good! It is a little comical that video got the most views, but your other build content is very informative and helpful. I installed the Airhead.
@@seven_o_savage Still building the van and have yet to use it. I tell myself I should give it ago, but heading out to the van in slippers first thing in the morning just never happens😜.
It is the installation and the alignment of the containers which inhibits the flaps from not functioning well. Get those right and the flaps are great:) (from experience)
Hi Seven. Good videos. We bought and love the WRAPPON GREEN TOILET. Beautifully bags and heat seals your waste. Requires a packet of coagulant for optimum use. Disposal is super easy and super clean. Bag drops out the bottom, just throw it in the trash. Cheers
I just saw this recently. Would using the coagulant work w the Laveo to make it better or does the wrappon green stand out above it? How many uses for each of its cartridges? Easy to source?
@@turnpike420 hi David. Approx 50 uses per roll of bags. Pricey @ approx $1200. But so easy and clean. Can’t speak to using coagulant with the Laveo Lotsa videos, but here is a quick overview vid Cheer ua-cam.com/video/RbS4h9MmIvI/v-deo.html
From your first video on the Seperate, it looked like a good solution for our ambulance conversion. Easy install. Actually it is not too disgusting to empty. We just use the solid waste lid. Remove the whole container to garbage before 9:33 removing the bag. By the way, wherever you can dispose of diapers, you can legally dispose of this waste. Just have the courtesy to tie the bag. My wife is not heavy enough to open the flaps, so we removed them and it turns out still no smell issues our any problems. As with many of the products or systems in our built, You Tube channels have been great in comparing and finally deciding on the best purchases for us. Thanks!
This is one of the better comparison videos I've seen on this subject. Maybe the hybrid between your favorite and the fact that when you put compost in with your solid waste, it definitely mitigates the smell because it absorbs the moisture which is a big part of what's causing the smell. When you use the kitty litter you're just substituting the smell of kitty litter eew and combining it with a small amount of the smell of the waste. So adding hamster shavings, sawdust or the very popular coconut coir absorbs the moisture which is the prime smell causing issue. So use the bag had some absorbing matter that does not smell itself and you avoid dumping the stinky bag and leaving it in a place where other people are exposed to it. Give it a shot I'm pretty sure you'll continue using it. It's worked for me, and I'm a full timer.
I have a van with a Macerator that makes the black tank discharge experience so different. This would suggest if this was included it would make your top tier rank. Way more convienent than a traditional dump. You can pump out the black water with less oudor and no chunks!
The early Separett Tinys had an issue with the view screen. That was solved, and parts were (are) available to fix it if you have an old one. It works perfectly now. Second, prior to emptying add a few scoops of dry wood shavings or wood pellets. This completely buries the waste, and emptying becomes odor free. You can also add a few shavings after each use, but that has not been necessary in my experience. I might do that in a very hot, humid climate.
Congrats for having the sh!t on all this man. Im an engineer with a 37ft boat, it has a holding tank toilet with the advantage that all marina facilities have pump out facilities, they work well until you have to fix them. I think the 2 part diverting toilet is best for vans and I like the dry flush idea but it isnt feasible as a product, and can be improved on. So my own thoughts go to the use of garbage bags which are now an international commodity; cheap and accessible, and some can be very thick. So now youve got the Separate type separation and lid, with pump out fans, and a boost for while the trap is open. So the problem is this is a bag of poop and emptying that just sucks. If this was a food product, they would create a heat sealed vacuum enclosure of the garbage bag, but they do so with special bagging and unlimited space and electrical requirements. All I have to offer is a cable or chain outside throttles the bag closed at the neck. So at the neck the bag is choked, from there the options are a cable tie, or ribbon tie, adhesive tape, or a bag heat sealer seals the bag closed. I tend to think a cable tie or adhesive would work best. You do that one time when the bag is going to be disposed of. If you can make an effective seal, and mechanise that you have it made It still presents questions like, whats that like for the environment?, and where do you dump it anyway. I guess I wouldnt have any problem with putting this into a trash bin or compactor, but not everyone feels that way. I am definately open to hearing about these impacts.
We use a typical kitchen trash bag and pine bedding from Tractor Supply … it’s a cheap, clean and efficient process. The luggable loo stores easily and we’ve never had a problem finding a trash can on the road.
Sealing the bag in any way does not help as the smell leeches through the plastic. As for disposing of a bag of human solid waste in a public bin, think diapers or doggy poo bags. Then have the courtesy to double bag your waste as some personnel who empty bins do so manually……. you don’t want the bag busting open on them.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 We have two dogs, and conscientiously pick up after them. The smell definitely permeates through the bag. We live in a city, and we tend to put the bags into an outdoor public trash can, as the airflow dissipates the smell. If we put the bags into our garage trash can, the smell is pretty quickly noticeable.
Apparently, horse pellets are great for the solids container. They smell a little like fragrant wood and absorb any water (which would be the smell issue). The drier = no smell at all (which is why the separate works in the first place).
First couple of times using the Tiny, messing around with it while installing and such, I did manage to get the opening mechanism kinda stuck, but once you've effed with it a few times you get the hang of it. No smells. I found I'm emptying the #2 section more often than expected, but maybe I just... poop a lot. It's a bit gross, but surprisingly unstinky, and if you've made an effort to place the bag properly, handles not all scrunched up etc, then tying the thing up, lifting it up and carrying it out is no big deal at all.
Pros: looks & urine diverter option - uses grey tank. Cons: Flap closes when you lean forward to wipe your butt (even with V2 springs) and want to put tissue in the loo - solution: put tissue in dog/ nappy bag then put in loo afterwards.
So I can tell you that burn poop toilets often don’t work. One of the other UA-camrs had one or maybe 2 and neither one was reliable. I would suggest for your toilet would be to cover your deposits with sawdust or coconut coir. This will minimize smell and visual impact. This won’t bulk up things too much. But it will improve the waste removal process dramatically.
Thanks for the update video! I currently have a Thetford 565e porta-potti in my van and have rented several RVs in Europe with cassettes. I don't agree with your rating of cassette toilets so far above porta-potties. The latter function exactly like cassettes, except their holding tanks aren't removed outside the van/RV. But that's really not an issue in a small van as long as you are careful. Smell, dumping, etc, is no different. That said, the Separett Tiny would be my choice if I ever switch. Disposal would be even easier.
Best! The Separette Toilet is what I put in my van. I put a wet $1800 toilet in my customers van, which uses tons of water, and the sewage smell (!!!) and paying $5-$10 to dump black water every 3-5 days! $700 a year. “The stinky slinky”
Loved the video and the suggestion at the end, thanks. There are a bunch of "urine diversion systems" if you google it specially designed for the laveo dry-flush but I haven't tried any, would love to see you do a review, most seem to just attach to the front... Personally, for my own suggestion, I really wish the laveo dry-flush company would make two types of refill packages, the mylar ones right now (1.50$ per flush) and a 2mm/3mm "heavy-duty/construction" garbage bag re-fill version. It'd be 20x (or more) cheaper, putting people at a more reasonable 7c or less per flush. I know all plastic garbage bags leak some odor compared to mylar, and that plastic bags are easier to puncture, but, for the $$$ savings it would be a very popular option I think, and the waste is technically wrapped by two garbage bags anyway, so, likelihood of leaks are low. Lastly, onto my second suggestion, the toilet costs 1000$, they should make it so the waste section is air tight, and that the lids close with a much better air tight seal by default. This would further support a cheaper "plastic instead of mylar" refill container, and, also help a bit for some situations even with mylar bags :). > Ideally/hopefully, down the road a company will make a good dry-flush toilet using standard garbage bags, or standard vacuum-seal plastic rolls (for food) as the re-fills, which would be my ideal case, just so I can pick up the re-fills at walmart/etc (and naturally would mean cents per flush, instead of 1.50$) :)
I am sure someone commented on the Cinderella hundred comments down, is it still that expensive? It is very expensive in Scandinavia, but that means 4000 USD, not 25 000! Not at all portable within the van, but a very clean and worryfree handling. To some extent better than a regular toilet
Here again, I respectfully disagree. We installed a 14 gallon black tank system. It requires finding a dump station (which are everywhere) about once a week, (two people using it) at which time you’re also dumping your gray tank and refilling your fresh tank. Everything disappears into the public sewer system where it belongs. Zero smells. Closest thing to a regular house toilet and for that reason alone, IMO it deserves an honorable spot in the A group.
The difference is how the vehicle is used. In our class A, we frequent places where there are dump facilities to do handle all tank duties, there's no alternative when they're 75 gal. In our van, it would be a big inconvenience find dump facilities. The tanks are small so there are many options. Our portable fresh water tanks can be filled at restaurants, grocery stores, laundromats, etc. Our portable grey tank can be dumped in gas station toilets, rest area toilets, and anywhere with permission. We wouldn't want a permanently mounted tank that required moving the van to dump or fill.
We've used an "Incinolet" brand incinerating toilet in our fishing shack for the past four years, about 15 weeks per year. It's worked well for us BUT it uses an average of 3,500 watt hours of electricity per "flush." This is more economical than a septic system in our situation however we get electricity from a utility company. The Incinolet produces approximately a tea cup full of ash per week for the two of us and is relatively easy to clean and maintain. I was actually looking at the Separett and other options to use as the toilet at a canvas wall tent we are planning to set up on a parcel that doesn't have electricity.
@@IronDad-ml3wq They cost $53 + shipping for 400 liners. We ran out of them once (COVID supply chain issue?) and were able to make our own out of waxed paper. It was a minor inconvenience to cut and fold them. Our DIY liners weren't as good as the original item but did the job.
Great overview! I still love our Natures Head and would go with a composting toilet hands down because as he said, the compost medium such as coco coir is super effective at reducing the smell in the dry box to almost zero. Since both toilets vent to the outside of the van, I know which one I want to sleep near with the windows open. If your van doesn’t have operable windows, maybe not such an issue.
We lived with our Natures Head for 2 years in our Airstream before swapping it out for the Separett Tiny over a month ago and we have never looked back. I hated having to take the NH outside to empty it, and the Tiny is so much nicer to empty. It is better in every way for our use: full time living, two adults and one kiddo.
@@danorrell great to hear real world perspective. I’m curious do you sleep with open windows? I’d love to hear any more details. We’re always willing to update our opinions based on new information here @Clarity Off-Grid. Thanks for your input!
@@mattkramer6512 Yep, we do often when the weather is nice. The Tiny moves more air than the NH due to a larger fan, but I’ve never noticed any odor whatsoever. At first, we did try the small urine tablet, but found it got in the way of easily accessing the urine bottle. It also gave the bathroom a different smell. Once we stopped using that, we don’t really notice any odor under typical use. We empty the solids every 5 days or so with the Tiny because it’s so painless. With the NH, I would dread that chore and it would easily consume 30 minutes for a full clean. With the Tiny, I can simply swap out a new bag and give things a wipe down in under 5 minutes. Also, it’s way easier to keep clean. The plastic of our NH was more porous and seemed to hold onto biological material, which always grossed me out. Since we live on the road, we weren’t able to compost with either toilet, so material simply ended up in a waste bin. At least I’m not having to deal with the coco coir anymore. And I LOVE having a light that warns when the bottle is nearly full. I’m embarrassed to admit how many times we overflowed the bottle on the NH. It’s also a much nicer experience pouring out the Tiny bottle with its dedicated spout. I can’t say enough good things about this toilet. Oh, and we bought one from the “bad batch” and it still works wonderfully for us.
We have an Incinolet. Like the Cinderella but only $2,400 for the toilet. Yes, it is a power hog but we have 1,120 amp hours of Lifepo4 that we built ourselves for only $2,800. We love it but only use it at night or when nature or a bathroom is not available.
They told us that too but only because they never heard of it being done and that it would take a lot of battery. We did the math and got it anyway. We also sent them the build video of our van 🤙 We typically flush 3 times overnight along with running our Dometic RTX 2000 ac 10 hours, the fridge (190 liter isotherm) and the water heater in the morning (Bosch 4 gallon). All that puts us down around 50% when we head off for the day. We have a Nations second alternator kit that will recharge the battery in less than 3 hours of driving.
I appreciate your videos. The ideal toilet would be a diesel incinerator toilet. You would think they would be popular for marine use and diesel vans. As you point out electric is problematic. I am going to look at a propane incinerator
For the dry flush toilet, you use Pee Powder. Put a teaspoon of it in the bowl and It deodorizes the pee and turns it into a gel. You can pee 3 or 4 times between "flushes" so it extends the use of each cartridge. I use it on a boat with a family. We generally "flush" only 1 or 2 times a day. Of course, the kids go number one when swimming. Always stay upstream from them.
It's also cool because you can fill the LPG tank once and it will last for at least least (I believe) 2 months. Meaning it's one of the best solutions for being off, and grid for longer times. Incinerating toilet is also great because you have to clean it much less often, and also it's not gross at all (there's just ashes, nothing else)
I've got the portable toilet from dometic in my van. Zero smell! I've got poops in there from a few months ago and can't smell a thing as long as you have the blue diodegradable solution in there😉
I think your idea is perfect! I really hope the company make that, because when I saw that, all I think about is that urine smells. I also have an idea for the twisting cassette, I think if you put solidfy stuff on it when your done your business, I think it will help. I don't know what do you guys think? But this also kind of costly.
The Tiny John Incinerating toilet comes in either DC or Propane models… It’s still $3500+ but legit option in my opinion and a much more affordable setup than the Cinderella all around.
Okay… I just saw your response to someone else’s that covered this. I get that if your goal is 💯 electric other than fuel for commuting around BUUUUT a propane system is still widely used throughout the community. I wonder however, with an all electrical setup, whether the new eco flow power systems will be able to operate an all-electric incinerating toilet…? 🤔⚡️🤙🏼
@@scottslotterbeck3796 Actaully, the Tiny John is smaller than the Cinderella. The dimensions are the same for either LPG or all electric models for both manufacturers. Cinderella: Seat height 21-1/4", Height 23-3/4", Width 15-1/4", Depth 23-1/4"; Tiny John: Height 22", Width 14", Depth 20 5/8", Sitting Depth, 19". The propane tank is separate and can be plumbed from wherever the tank is conveniently located.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 $3385, which is decent bit cheaper than what I had originally quoted in my OP. Sorry, I tried to provide links to both the Tiny John and Cinderella, but YT nixed it. ☹️🤓🤙🏼
The selection of the toilet is probably the most difficult and critical decisions for ones van build. Choose wrong for your particular situation/priorities and your F’d. Used all these different RV toilets and they all have massive drawbacks compared to a regular house toilet. Black tank system is nice to use but dumping and maintenance is a major pain. Same with Cassette toilets only worse. Composting toilets aren’t a bad way to go except the daily dumping of the urine container which is flat disgusting. Incinerator toilets are impractical and hella expensive to get installed. Despite the liquids issue and expense of the Mylar cassettes the Laveo Dry-Flush toilet was the winner for our needs. We don’t full time in our van so the cassette expense is a moot point. I think your onto something with the hybrid urine diverter idea. Maybe put one of those tray/bowls used for training your cat to crap in your house toilet with a hose attached running to a bottle. Make it and I’ll buy one lol
Great video but I disagree about the cassette toilet: it doesn't smell at all when proper waste treatment blue stuff is put inside, like The Fit RV, it seems you try to use it without the blue stuff. Handling the cassette is easy, there are smarter disposal places than a McDonald's...
Holy shit I replayed it a few times just to hear correctly how much the incendiary toilet costs…. Christ Almighty, that’s costs more than some people’s vans.
The "wish" toilet you asked for well check out tge Wrappon toilet. It allows you to do your biz, then when you hit tge "flush" button it heat seals each "GO" no leak and a seperate seal per go. Best this far other than incinerating toilet. I wish Wrappon made it more Esthetically pleasing. Each sealed part of the continuous plastic material seals and drips into a drawer you can toss out each bag ir bag up several. No odor and much less expensive for the refillable bag material vs the cartridges. The unit itself is double the cost of the dry flush unit. Over time, it is less cost due to the bag refill being much less.
I think you should have the propane incinerator toilet listed above the electric version. What you save on power system you can add a bidet seat. This is the ultimate. It would be the only propane appliance for me.
Apparently there is also now a propane incinerating toilet. Damn! No very wasteful very expensive high current 220V power draw just to roast your poop. Flame Throw Your Poop To Ashes! 🔥🔥
2 questions. can you shower in the same room as the separrett tiny toilet? If so, does shower water enter into the toilet at the back of the lid? Cleaning the toilet after each use?
I didn’t because I don’t like the idea of urine in sitting in there for a while, but a lot of people do! They make a model that diverts the urine container to a tank
I’m going into a travel trailer, but use of a Compost toilet makes sense to me . This was a good conversation to have, since we all want efficiency and no smell. The frequency of filling up the liquids bucket , well, depends on your travel destination. But solving the poo problem via bagged rather than in sludge form makes much more sense. I think I will utilize the black tank as #1 only. Smells vent to the top of trailer, smells are rare but draining would be less daunting . 💕Having a beautiful toilet is very nice to have
What about the Trelino, three choices. Doesn't even look like a toilet. The composting toilets don't count as they still end up in a plastic bag so are not really composted and able to be used for compost.
I have a Thetford cassette. I rarely do a poo in it but when I do I have some no smell doggy bags and tape one under the seat. The piss in it gets pretty stinky but hey it is just piss so you can dump it anywhere in the wild.
Oh...it hit me whilst watching your vid. Put a drop of food coloring in a glass of water. LOTS of color. Now drip a drop into a lake or ocean. POOF....disappears quick. Its "parts per million" the concentration of poop smell pushed out into the open air dissipates very very very quickly. But lingers in a closed space cuz much less air to dissipate the smell.
I just cut a hole in the bottom so it just drops out of the rv no bags or cleanup needed. Haha no i have a portable toilet and hate it will probably give this a shot
Very nice video! I wonder have you heard of the company called Toliet Tech Solutions, they designed the foot powered toliet that i think it's a little bit better than the current toliet you are using.
Good video except you didn’t talk about prices and also why not just use cat litter and pine pellets. Pine pellets will break down into saw dust when they get wet with urine and they help give it a pine smell. The combo works well and then if you put it into a diaper genie you further won’t get any smell. That basically what the dry flush is, hut with this method you won’t have to worry about the urine. The dry flush would work with it but it’s way over priced. I am looking for a fancy option of the bucket, one with a more comfortable seat that feels like an indoor toilet.
I genuinely can't figure out why composting toilets are so expensive. The Separett Tiny is over $1k and probably cost less than $50 to make. I get markup for G&A and profit, but these are ridiculous.
We use a bucket and line it with about 10 to twenty bags, one inside another. Do your business, tie off the first inner bag and push it down (if it’s just wee, add gel powder or kitty litter) and do your next business on top, tie off inner bag number two, push down and repeat until your bucket is fairly full. The tie it all off with the last bag and either bury out bush or put in a rubbish bin/dumpster. It’s basically a homemade, cheaper and more environmentally friendly dry flush
How is it environmental friendly burying poo in plastic bags ?🤔
Depends on the bag you use@@Cookiecutter160
You can’t use bio-degradable bags for this. They degrade before you have a chance to dispose.
@@Cookiecutter160oh please.. save your environmentally friendly self righteousness for real polluters! Your flush and your sink water in your home all go to the same place.. a nearby water source no❓garbage is garbage Hun
This was one of the most honest vanlife toilet videos I've ever watched.
This is the only van toilet video I have ever watched.
I've used dry flush for years. Before Use: Add a speck of kitty litter, paper towel, flush once & another speck of kitty litter. Now it's primed. Kitty litter for urine is a must. Urinate multiple times. Just before flushing add more kitty litter and a couple of paper towels. Don't flush unless you do #2. If time has lapsed between use, add a little more kitty litter and about 3/4 cup fresh water. In this case, the Laveo Dry Flush has been used for medical use, on the road, in a Yukon, in a Highlander and in a Class B RV. We are considering adding it to a forest Man Cave with 6 beds. It's a life changing product for our family. I wish there was a better score than A+ because this toilet deserves it.
I have replaced the regular black tank toilet in our 5th wheel with a separet tiny and it was the best upgrade ever.. the whole family actually loves this toilet better than the toilets at home, as you see nothing, smell nothing.. well except the person having to empty the bag 🤣 but if done right with keeping the lid on until you're actually at the bin to throw the bag, it's pretty straightforward and painless.
Love your channel!
The perfect RV toilet would involve no handling of waste.
In Finland, I took a train with a toilet. It was only available when the train was moving, for obvious reasons. Let's just say you would be wise to stand clear of the tracks when the train was 'wizzing' by
In Finland, there's a saying that goes "toimii kuin junan vessa". It literally means "works like the toilet on a train", meaning it's simple and it works.
Eewww!
I remember taking the train in Canada 40 years ago and when I flushed the toilet I could see the railroad ties fly by. It's not done this way anymore.
Same in Russia - I took a train from Moscow to Voronezh and back. Flushing the toilet one sees the train tracks go by.
We had the same system i Norway. Considdered outdated 50 yrs ago. Some work along the tracks!
I really appreciate your honesty and description. This is was very useful info.
I bought the tiny toilet after watching your first video. Very happy to hear it hasn’t failed you thus far
Have had a Tiny installed for 6 months and have had similar positive experience, although I can smell it on side of van sometimes. I bought the version with external urine drain and send it into to my grey water tank, which also has my shower output.
One thing you should have mentioned is...gloves! A nice box of medical gloves makes a huge difference when handling any of these waste solutions.
Good one - thank you for this vid! We use dry flush and agree with everything you said except perhaps to emphasize that it's an ongoing expense due the cartridge's. We do use cat-litter for the liquid. With our 6" vent fan open (but not running) in our small shower alcove the cat-litter/liquid can sit for multiple uses (all day) and does not smell in the 7 x 14 trailer space. Like a cat box. 2 of us use a cartridge every 3 days. But other than the squishy feel, there's no smell disposing of the bundle - and it's just a smaller black plastic bag so it's not obvious what you're throwing away :)
Thanks for the update. Whoda thunk that doing a van buildout vlog would make you a Waste Disposal Superstar.
Fame comes in mysterious ways. You've been struck by Poop Lightening. Congrats!
There really needs to be a dry flush and diverting toilet hybrid
The Cinderella is also available in a version that uses gas. No need for a huge battery bank for that one.
I didnt know that incinerator Cinderella was available in fuel-powered instead of electric.
My favorite toilet UA-camr 🙌
Excellent video, Seven. Your combination of the waterless #2 and urine diversion toilet will be great, if someone ever gets around to making it. Thanks!
This does seems to be the best toilet idea for van life. Thank you. I’m building an 04 Ford E350 4x4, this is gonna be great.
I heard pine pellets are the way to go for the #2 side on the separator. You get them at the tractor supply store, and it's way cheaper than kitty litter.
Your videos are all good! It is a little comical that video got the most views, but your other build content is very informative and helpful. I installed the Airhead.
Appreciate it Jeff! How do u like it?
@@seven_o_savage Still building the van and have yet to use it. I tell myself I should give it ago, but heading out to the van in slippers first thing in the morning just never happens😜.
It is the installation and the alignment of the containers which inhibits the flaps from not functioning well. Get those right and the flaps are great:) (from experience)
Hi Seven. Good videos. We bought and love the WRAPPON GREEN TOILET. Beautifully bags and heat seals your waste. Requires a packet of coagulant for optimum use. Disposal is super easy and super clean. Bag drops out the bottom, just throw it in the trash.
Cheers
Hadn’t heard of this before thanks!
I just saw this recently. Would using the coagulant work w the Laveo to make it better or does the wrappon green stand out above it? How many uses for each of its cartridges? Easy to source?
@@turnpike420 hi David. Approx 50 uses per roll of bags. Pricey @ approx $1200. But so easy and clean. Can’t speak to using coagulant with the Laveo
Lotsa videos, but here is a quick overview vid
Cheer
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The Wrappin is not available anymore. Would have been a great solution.
Sounds awful to me. Having to throw a bag of shit in the bin every time not to mention the environmental impact 😬
Thanks for enlightening me on a touchy subject. Most of us won’t have opportunity to personally evaluate multiple options.
From your first video on the Seperate, it looked like a good solution for our ambulance conversion. Easy install. Actually it is not too disgusting to empty. We just use the solid waste lid. Remove the whole container to garbage before 9:33 removing the bag. By the way, wherever you can dispose of diapers, you can legally dispose of this waste. Just have the courtesy to tie the bag. My wife is not heavy enough to open the flaps, so we removed them and it turns out still no smell issues our any problems. As with many of the products or systems in our built, You Tube channels have been great in comparing and finally deciding on the best purchases for us. Thanks!
Awesome to hear thanks for taking the time to share!!
This is one of the better comparison videos I've seen on this subject. Maybe the hybrid between your favorite and the fact that when you put compost in with your solid waste, it definitely mitigates the smell because it absorbs the moisture which is a big part of what's causing the smell. When you use the kitty litter you're just substituting the smell of kitty litter eew and combining it with a small amount of the smell of the waste. So adding hamster shavings, sawdust or the very popular coconut coir absorbs the moisture which is the prime smell causing issue. So use the bag had some absorbing matter that does not smell itself and you avoid dumping the stinky bag and leaving it in a place where other people are exposed to it. Give it a shot I'm pretty sure you'll continue using it. It's worked for me, and I'm a full timer.
Please don't forget one if the biggest down side of the dry flush toilet is the COST of the cartridges. Yike! Cost per flush is hight.
I have a van with a Macerator that makes the black tank discharge experience so different. This would suggest if this was included it would make your top tier rank. Way more convienent than a traditional dump. You can pump out the black water with less oudor and no chunks!
The early Separett Tinys had an issue with the view screen. That was solved, and parts were (are) available to fix it if you have an old one. It works perfectly now. Second, prior to emptying add a few scoops of dry wood shavings or wood pellets. This completely buries the waste, and emptying becomes odor free. You can also add a few shavings after each use, but that has not been necessary in my experience. I might do that in a very hot, humid climate.
Congrats for having the sh!t on all this man. Im an engineer with a 37ft boat, it has a holding tank toilet with the advantage that all marina facilities have pump out facilities, they work well until you have to fix them. I think the 2 part diverting toilet is best for vans and I like the dry flush idea but it isnt feasible as a product, and can be improved on. So my own thoughts go to the use of garbage bags which are now an international commodity; cheap and accessible, and some can be very thick.
So now youve got the Separate type separation and lid, with pump out fans, and a boost for while the trap is open. So the problem is this is a bag of poop and emptying that just sucks. If this was a food product, they would create a heat sealed vacuum enclosure of the garbage bag, but they do so with special bagging and unlimited space and electrical requirements.
All I have to offer is a cable or chain outside throttles the bag closed at the neck. So at the neck the bag is choked, from there the options are a cable tie, or ribbon tie, adhesive tape, or a bag heat sealer seals the bag closed. I tend to think a cable tie or adhesive would work best. You do that one time when the bag is going to be disposed of. If you can make an effective seal, and mechanise that you have it made
It still presents questions like, whats that like for the environment?, and where do you dump it anyway. I guess I wouldnt have any problem with putting this into a trash bin or compactor, but not everyone feels that way. I am definately open to hearing about these impacts.
Put it in the garbage. Kitty litter goes there, so...
We use a typical kitchen trash bag and pine bedding from Tractor Supply … it’s a cheap, clean and efficient process. The luggable loo stores easily and we’ve never had a problem finding a trash can on the road.
Sealing the bag in any way does not help as the smell leeches through the plastic. As for disposing of a bag of human solid waste in a public bin, think diapers or doggy poo bags. Then have the courtesy to double bag your waste as some personnel who empty bins do so manually……. you don’t want the bag busting open on them.
@@anthonymyatt9319 lol. My dog poop bag is not double bagged, and it goes straight to the landfill. I don't live in the Ozarks.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 We have two dogs, and conscientiously pick up after them. The smell definitely permeates through the bag. We live in a city, and we tend to put the bags into an outdoor public trash can, as the airflow dissipates the smell. If we put the bags into our garage trash can, the smell is pretty quickly noticeable.
THEE top toilet youtuber lol!! Useful videos get major traffic.....this one is off to a good start! 🙏🙏 Happy Pooping Y'all
We love our dry flush, we use the pee powder and haven’t had an issue with urine waste plus the no smell is a game changer for us.
Great vid. Reason you can’t smell anything on your walk around is because we are nose blind to our own smells. Ask a friend..!!
Apparently, horse pellets are great for the solids container. They smell a little like fragrant wood and absorb any water (which would be the smell issue). The drier = no smell at all (which is why the separate works in the first place).
First couple of times using the Tiny, messing around with it while installing and such, I did manage to get the opening mechanism kinda stuck, but once you've effed with it a few times you get the hang of it. No smells. I found I'm emptying the #2 section more often than expected, but maybe I just... poop a lot. It's a bit gross, but surprisingly unstinky, and if you've made an effort to place the bag properly, handles not all scrunched up etc, then tying the thing up, lifting it up and carrying it out is no big deal at all.
Watching this while eating lunch ❤
Pros: looks & urine diverter option - uses grey tank.
Cons: Flap closes when you lean forward to wipe your butt (even with V2 springs) and want to put tissue in the loo - solution: put tissue in dog/ nappy bag then put in loo afterwards.
Try pelletized horse bedding cheap, lighter & really helps with the smell. I’ve used it for kitty litter & it works great!
Joseph Bazzalgette - 1st pioneer of modern mass sewage systems.
Saved more lives than any medical advance since.
Awesome build, Alex!
In the olden days. The 1960’s, we used powdered lime to reduce odors in our outhouses.
A handful of eco laundry scent boosters with the cat litter helps disguise the smell.
TELL US ABOUT THE CAT LITTER, POOP MAN
Straight Honesty about talking Crap. Thanks.
You're my favorite toilet youtuber! ❤
instead of kitty litter maybe try saw dust it absorbs alot is free sorta and smells good i imagine its good if you have wet solids
You can create a digester , with an evaporator, also provides methane or hydrogen if you turn into a fuel cell.
So I can tell you that burn poop toilets often don’t work. One of the other UA-camrs had one or maybe 2 and neither one was reliable. I would suggest for your toilet would be to cover your deposits with sawdust or coconut coir. This will minimize smell and visual impact. This won’t bulk up things too much. But it will improve the waste removal process dramatically.
Thanks for the update video! I currently have a Thetford 565e porta-potti in my van and have rented several RVs in Europe with cassettes. I don't agree with your rating of cassette toilets so far above porta-potties. The latter function exactly like cassettes, except their holding tanks aren't removed outside the van/RV. But that's really not an issue in a small van as long as you are careful. Smell, dumping, etc, is no different. That said, the Separett Tiny would be my choice if I ever switch. Disposal would be even easier.
Best! The Separette Toilet is what I put in my van. I put a wet $1800 toilet in my customers van, which uses tons of water, and the sewage smell (!!!) and paying $5-$10 to dump black water every 3-5 days! $700 a year.
“The stinky slinky”
So cool to hear!
Loved the video and the suggestion at the end, thanks. There are a bunch of "urine diversion systems" if you google it specially designed for the laveo dry-flush but I haven't tried any, would love to see you do a review, most seem to just attach to the front... Personally, for my own suggestion, I really wish the laveo dry-flush company would make two types of refill packages, the mylar ones right now (1.50$ per flush) and a 2mm/3mm "heavy-duty/construction" garbage bag re-fill version. It'd be 20x (or more) cheaper, putting people at a more reasonable 7c or less per flush. I know all plastic garbage bags leak some odor compared to mylar, and that plastic bags are easier to puncture, but, for the $$$ savings it would be a very popular option I think, and the waste is technically wrapped by two garbage bags anyway, so, likelihood of leaks are low. Lastly, onto my second suggestion, the toilet costs 1000$, they should make it so the waste section is air tight, and that the lids close with a much better air tight seal by default. This would further support a cheaper "plastic instead of mylar" refill container, and, also help a bit for some situations even with mylar bags :).
> Ideally/hopefully, down the road a company will make a good dry-flush toilet using standard garbage bags, or standard vacuum-seal plastic rolls (for food) as the re-fills, which would be my ideal case, just so I can pick up the re-fills at walmart/etc (and naturally would mean cents per flush, instead of 1.50$) :)
I am sure someone commented on the Cinderella hundred comments down, is it still that expensive? It is very expensive in Scandinavia, but that means 4000 USD, not 25 000! Not at all portable within the van, but a very clean and worryfree handling. To some extent better than a regular toilet
Propane version that is, to avoid the power bank issue
Here again, I respectfully disagree. We installed a 14 gallon black tank system. It requires finding a dump station (which are everywhere) about once a week, (two people using it) at which time you’re also dumping your gray tank and refilling your fresh tank. Everything disappears into the public sewer system where it belongs. Zero smells. Closest thing to a regular house toilet and for that reason alone, IMO it deserves an honorable spot in the A group.
So you’re a part-time septic tank cleaner 😂.
No thanks.
@@CrimpKeeper We have years of RV experience, all with black tanks. Never had a problem. Not once.
@@bwbrady8372 Just the idea...
The difference is how the vehicle is used. In our class A, we frequent places where there are dump facilities to do handle all tank duties, there's no alternative when they're 75 gal. In our van, it would be a big inconvenience find dump facilities. The tanks are small so there are many options. Our portable fresh water tanks can be filled at restaurants, grocery stores, laundromats, etc. Our portable grey tank can be dumped in gas station toilets, rest area toilets, and anywhere with permission. We wouldn't want a permanently mounted tank that required moving the van to dump or fill.
@@DaphneLowe Agree. A matter of taste. For us, once a week is easy.
We've used an "Incinolet" brand incinerating toilet in our fishing shack for the past four years, about 15 weeks per year. It's worked well for us BUT it uses an average of 3,500 watt hours of electricity per "flush." This is more economical than a septic system in our situation however we get electricity from a utility company. The Incinolet produces approximately a tea cup full of ash per week for the two of us and is relatively easy to clean and maintain. I was actually looking at the Separett and other options to use as the toilet at a canvas wall tent we are planning to set up on a parcel that doesn't have electricity.
Is the cost of the liners reasonable? I'd hate to be unable to use a somewhat pricey toilet due to not having liners around.
@@IronDad-ml3wq They cost $53 + shipping for 400 liners. We ran out of them once (COVID supply chain issue?) and were able to make our own out of waxed paper. It was a minor inconvenience to cut and fold them. Our DIY liners weren't as good as the original item but did the job.
Great overview! I still love our Natures Head and would go with a composting toilet hands down because as he said, the compost medium such as coco coir is super effective at reducing the smell in the dry box to almost zero. Since both toilets vent to the outside of the van, I know which one I want to sleep near with the windows open. If your van doesn’t have operable windows, maybe not such an issue.
We lived with our Natures Head for 2 years in our Airstream before swapping it out for the Separett Tiny over a month ago and we have never looked back. I hated having to take the NH outside to empty it, and the Tiny is so much nicer to empty. It is better in every way for our use: full time living, two adults and one kiddo.
@@danorrell great to hear real world perspective. I’m curious do you sleep with open windows? I’d love to hear any more details. We’re always willing to update our opinions based on new information here @Clarity Off-Grid. Thanks for your input!
@@mattkramer6512 Yep, we do often when the weather is nice. The Tiny moves more air than the NH due to a larger fan, but I’ve never noticed any odor whatsoever. At first, we did try the small urine tablet, but found it got in the way of easily accessing the urine bottle. It also gave the bathroom a different smell. Once we stopped using that, we don’t really notice any odor under typical use. We empty the solids every 5 days or so with the Tiny because it’s so painless. With the NH, I would dread that chore and it would easily consume 30 minutes for a full clean. With the Tiny, I can simply swap out a new bag and give things a wipe down in under 5 minutes. Also, it’s way easier to keep clean. The plastic of our NH was more porous and seemed to hold onto biological material, which always grossed me out. Since we live on the road, we weren’t able to compost with either toilet, so material simply ended up in a waste bin. At least I’m not having to deal with the coco coir anymore. And I LOVE having a light that warns when the bottle is nearly full. I’m embarrassed to admit how many times we overflowed the bottle on the NH. It’s also a much nicer experience pouring out the Tiny bottle with its dedicated spout. I can’t say enough good things about this toilet. Oh, and we bought one from the “bad batch” and it still works wonderfully for us.
@@danorrell thanks so much for the details! Happy travels. I love hearing about other van lifer experiences. Best to you and your family
I like the Simploo (on paper) but it's similar to this. A bit more elongated. $650 is a better price though.
Simply excellent review, well done!
Great video, Thanks! Can’t wait for the van tour!!!
We have an Incinolet. Like the Cinderella but only $2,400 for the toilet. Yes, it is a power hog but we have 1,120 amp hours of Lifepo4 that we built ourselves for only $2,800. We love it but only use it at night or when nature or a bathroom is not available.
I contacted the company and they said it could not be used in an RV.
They told us that too but only because they never heard of it being done and that it would take a lot of battery. We did the math and got it anyway. We also sent them the build video of our van 🤙 We typically flush 3 times overnight along with running our Dometic RTX 2000 ac 10 hours, the fridge (190 liter isotherm) and the water heater in the morning (Bosch 4 gallon). All that puts us down around 50% when we head off for the day. We have a Nations second alternator kit that will recharge the battery in less than 3 hours of driving.
Oh, I forgot to mention we have 2 3000 watt Victron inverter/chargers. Toilet takes 2000 watts so not much room to spare when the toilet is running.
@@chuckanddebbie do you have this in a van? Also, $7500 for a waste solution!
Huge initial investment and there is additional cost of batteries burning their cycles on making no2 disappear.
In a dry flush toilet, before doing your business you can add dampening paper towels or diapers to absorb urine.
Aww, the log chopper 2000 is a D-tier toilet 😂
I appreciate your videos. The ideal toilet would be a diesel incinerator toilet. You would think they would be popular for marine use and diesel vans. As you point out electric is problematic. I am going to look at a propane incinerator
For the dry flush toilet, you use Pee Powder. Put a teaspoon of it in the bowl and It deodorizes the pee and turns it into a gel. You can pee 3 or 4 times between "flushes" so it extends the use of each cartridge. I use it on a boat with a family. We generally "flush" only 1 or 2 times a day. Of course, the kids go number one when swimming. Always stay upstream from them.
What kind of a gamer has an A+ tier and no S tier 😭
Hahaha… I was like “I think S tier might confuse ppl”
@@seven_o_savage yeah it definitely would for this audience
There are also incinerating toilets that work on gas (LPG I believe). As an alternative.
Doesn't need big power bank.
It's also cool because you can fill the LPG tank once and it will last for at least least (I believe) 2 months. Meaning it's one of the best solutions for being off, and grid for longer times.
Incinerating toilet is also great because you have to clean it much less often, and also it's not gross at all (there's just ashes, nothing else)
Yes, but the model I saw is HUGE. And something about the methane gas and open flame...
I had the same issue with flap not closing and when I called the company, they sent me an upgrade kit that fixed problem.
I've got the portable toilet from dometic in my van. Zero smell! I've got poops in there from a few months ago and can't smell a thing as long as you have the blue diodegradable solution in there😉
ahh man thanks for reassuring me regarding those amazon reviews I also saw. I'm about to order that separett tiny for my houseboat
I think your idea is perfect! I really hope the company make that, because when I saw that, all I think about is that urine smells. I also have an idea for the twisting cassette, I think if you put solidfy stuff on it when your done your business, I think it will help. I don't know what do you guys think? But this also kind of costly.
The Tiny John Incinerating toilet comes in either DC or Propane models… It’s still $3500+ but legit option in my opinion and a much more affordable setup than the Cinderella all around.
Okay… I just saw your response to someone else’s that covered this. I get that if your goal is 💯 electric other than fuel for commuting around BUUUUT a propane system is still widely used throughout the community. I wonder however, with an all electrical setup, whether the new eco flow power systems will be able to operate an all-electric incinerating toilet…? 🤔⚡️🤙🏼
The propane version is too big
@@scottslotterbeck3796 Actaully, the Tiny John is smaller than the Cinderella. The dimensions are the same for either LPG or all electric models for both manufacturers. Cinderella: Seat height 21-1/4", Height 23-3/4", Width 15-1/4", Depth 23-1/4"; Tiny John: Height 22", Width 14", Depth 20 5/8", Sitting Depth, 19". The propane tank is separate and can be plumbed from wherever the tank is conveniently located.
@@joemamamia1751 I looked into it several years ago. Perhaps they have new models. Thanks for responding.
What's the cost for the Tiny John?
@@scottslotterbeck3796 $3385, which is decent bit cheaper than what I had originally quoted in my OP. Sorry, I tried to provide links to both the Tiny John and Cinderella, but YT nixed it. ☹️🤓🤙🏼
I was thinking the same on the urine diverting dry flush toilet!!!
Try pine bedding pellets from Tractor Supply
Sounds like someone should create a toilet with urine diverting paired with dry flush for poops.
Need to combine the U-diverting and the cassette 🎉
The selection of the toilet is probably the most difficult and critical decisions for ones van build. Choose wrong for your particular situation/priorities and your F’d. Used all these different RV toilets and they all have massive drawbacks compared to a regular house toilet. Black tank system is nice to use but dumping and maintenance is a major pain. Same with Cassette toilets only worse. Composting toilets aren’t a bad way to go except the daily dumping of the urine container which is flat disgusting. Incinerator toilets are impractical and hella expensive to get installed. Despite the liquids issue and expense of the Mylar cassettes the Laveo Dry-Flush toilet was the winner for our needs. We don’t full time in our van so the cassette expense is a moot point. I think your onto something with the hybrid urine diverter idea. Maybe put one of those tray/bowls used for training your cat to crap in your house toilet with a hose attached running to a bottle. Make it and I’ll buy one lol
My fave is fine saw dust
Great video but I disagree about the cassette toilet: it doesn't smell at all when proper waste treatment blue stuff is put inside, like The Fit RV, it seems you try to use it without the blue stuff. Handling the cassette is easy, there are smarter disposal places than a McDonald's...
Holy shit I replayed it a few times just to hear correctly how much the incendiary toilet costs…. Christ Almighty, that’s costs more than some people’s vans.
The "wish" toilet you asked for well check out tge Wrappon toilet. It allows you to do your biz, then when you hit tge "flush" button it heat seals each "GO" no leak and a seperate seal per go. Best this far other than incinerating toilet. I wish Wrappon made it more Esthetically pleasing. Each sealed part of the continuous plastic material seals and drips into a drawer you can toss out each bag ir bag up several. No odor and much less expensive for the refillable bag material vs the cartridges. The unit itself is double the cost of the dry flush unit. Over time, it is less cost due to the bag refill being much less.
I think wrappon would be perfect if it had a dedicated liquids container. But without that … it’s only an improved dry flush
I think you should have the propane incinerator toilet listed above the electric version. What you save on power system you can add a bidet seat. This is the ultimate. It would be the only propane appliance for me.
The only propane one I've seen is HUGE
@@scottslotterbeck3796 Check out: TinyJohn - Waterless Incinerator Toilet, its $3300 bucks, the price you pay to not have to dispose of your own poo.
Looks like the plastic door & closing mechanism is the Achilles heel on the sealing
Apparently there is also now a propane incinerating toilet. Damn! No very wasteful very expensive high current 220V power draw just to roast your poop. Flame Throw Your Poop To Ashes! 🔥🔥
2 questions. can you shower in the same room as the separrett tiny toilet? If so, does shower water enter into the toilet at the back of the lid? Cleaning the toilet after each use?
Saw dust plus dry flush might work
you should check out OGO composting toilet. The best so far
Ya this looks like a great toilet thx!
So happy you did this follow up. Did you consider diverting the urine to a gray tank on your build?
I didn’t because I don’t like the idea of urine in sitting in there for a while, but a lot of people do! They make a model that diverts the urine container to a tank
We have a separate toilet (not the mini) and we divert to a tank. The idea of carrying our urine tank was not a pleasant one. Works great!
@@cspryng Thanks. I think this is the way we will go in our van build.
I’m going into a travel trailer, but use of a Compost toilet makes sense to me .
This was a good conversation to have, since we all want efficiency and no smell.
The frequency of filling up the liquids bucket , well, depends on your travel destination.
But solving the poo problem via bagged rather than in sludge form makes much more sense. I think I will utilize the black tank as #1 only.
Smells vent to the top of trailer, smells are rare but draining would be less daunting .
💕Having a beautiful toilet is very nice to have
As far as smell, remember --- Dilution is the solution to pollution. Big airspace, 1.5 inch vent. Smell, what smell?
Clesana has made a mod to their toilet after they saw this video I assume. It is now exactly what you described.
Wowwww I might have to try it!
Thanks for the info. You’re hilarious!
That is a real health hazard disposing of human body waste in an ordinary rubbish bin
Bro....really? You done smell your own sh**. But, I respect your freedom to share how great your thrown experience has been.
Price for Cinderella toilet for motorhomes operating /w LPG is 4k€.
What about the Trelino, three choices. Doesn't even look like a toilet. The composting toilets don't count as they still end up in a plastic bag so are not really composted and able to be used for compost.
Try the wrappon trekker dry flush. Best toilet ever
I have a Thetford cassette. I rarely do a poo in it but when I do I have some no smell doggy bags and tape one under the seat. The piss in it gets pretty stinky but hey it is just piss so you can dump it anywhere in the wild.
Oh...it hit me whilst watching your vid. Put a drop of food coloring in a glass of water. LOTS of color. Now drip a drop into a lake or ocean. POOF....disappears quick. Its "parts per million" the concentration of poop smell pushed out into the open air dissipates very very very quickly. But lingers in a closed space cuz much less air to dissipate the smell.
I just cut a hole in the bottom so it just drops out of the rv no bags or cleanup needed. Haha no i have a portable toilet and hate it will probably give this a shot
time for someone to build a separating, dry flush toilet!
I just cut a hole in my van. I poop/pee/wipe then move to a new location. No Flush required :-)
Maybe you could patent it if you were to fall under like the baby diaper mechanism that's in the trash cans for baby diapers
Very nice video! I wonder have you heard of the company called Toliet Tech Solutions, they designed the foot powered toliet that i think it's a little bit better than the current toliet you are using.
Good video except you didn’t talk about prices and also why not just use cat litter and pine pellets. Pine pellets will break down into saw dust when they get wet with urine and they help give it a pine smell. The combo works well and then if you put it into a diaper genie you further won’t get any smell. That basically what the dry flush is, hut with this method you won’t have to worry about the urine. The dry flush would work with it but it’s way over priced. I am looking for a fancy option of the bucket, one with a more comfortable seat that feels like an indoor toilet.
I genuinely can't figure out why composting toilets are so expensive. The Separett Tiny is over $1k and probably cost less than $50 to make. I get markup for G&A and profit, but these are ridiculous.