I have an idea. Have your roof rack on slides so your solar panels become an awning. They could even rotate down a little for drainage and to point the panels at the sun. Then have a roll up radiant barrier that makes another awning for the roof of your van. Boom- now you have more solar power and far less heat load.
I so enjoy your candor and honesty in your posts. So helpful. I'm nearing the end of my build, 2023 AWD 170. Couple of observations. Floor issues. I looked into the Inhabit floor coverings but aesthetically didn't like any of the patterns. About 15 or so choices. I went with Lonseal (great colors!) and plan to use rugs and runners on top with some anti skid (velcro or rubber backing, not sure yet). Accessibility. Yup. Plumbing, wiring (those pesky refrigerant hoses and condensate lines) all need to be accessed at some point. It's inevitable. I have 1/4" bamboo wall panels connected via rivnuts that I can access once the cabinetry is removed. I ran a 12v fuse panel to the front just behind driver's seat for a lot of the more forward placed electrical items and all my plumbing is inside the van with the grey tank being the only exception. For when it freezes for the grey tank, I have thought of running a glycol loop from my underfloor heat system through it, I've looked at electric heating pads, I've considered cheap vodka or biodegradable antifreeze and then simply leaving the valve open in freezing conditions as suggested by someone here in the comments. I installed a remote switch ball valve (3/4") but also added a regular RV manual dump valve as I'd either have to run heat wire around the ball valve which seems like another thing to go wrong and a power draw, but will probably go the cheap vodka route or leave the manual valve open if the area permits (or bucket option) and simply not use the electric ball valve when it freezes outside. Looking forward one day to meeting up with you on the road and thanking you in person for all the help you've offered me and the vanlife community over the years. You da man!
Don’t be too hard on yourself, most people couldn’t do half of what you’re doing! It’s all a learning process anyway, no matter what we work on, it’s always the people who built it that see the flaws more than anybody else!
Hey Seven O Savage! I saw your videos, all of them, and some of them I watched like easily 10 to 20 times. Hhahaha. I started a van build on Jan 2023. And I learned as you learned, and I learned from comments from ppl on your videos too. My van is like 70% done, I'm going to be a dad soon so I got little behind on the project (preparing for the new little person) 1- The second that we saw your choice on latches (on your original videos) my wife and I we immediately knew that you will bump into them (we traveled all around the US for 6 month in a trailer during covid so we learned a lot!) 2- I still not sure which wood to get, all we did were wood from HomeDepot, expensive ones. 3- Again, we lived in a "4 seasons", during our trip we stayed in very cold places (-10F) and then we moved to colorado and stayed 4 extra months during winter while searching for a house. The second you ran the pipes and the cables under the van, we knew that will be never "4 seasons". In our design we put the Sink on the same side of the van as the shower, the tank and all the plumbing, so no pipe goes out of the van or cross to the other side on the floor. I ran almost 500 meters of cables. We went for the Ecoflow power hub, and everything is inside one unit. less cables and fire hazard. But more expensive. 4- I'm installing a 2 induction stove, BUT after following a lot of full timers I learned that a pressure cooker (specially the new ninja with air fryer and pressure all in one with one cover). its incredible usefull, even more than having an induction. Has way better thermal transfer, and since you can close the lid, less mess, less smoke, etc. It warms up 2 times faster so it use half the energy. I installed a microwave/convection/air fryer from Breville too. Same space as a microwave but more cooking options. But I was trying the air fryer and I'm cooking almost everything there. And another plus is that you can cook while in motion. You can prepare everything, start the pressure cooking, and keep driving (if it has a secure place to stay). In that case you can use alternator energy or it to help the consumption and arrive with more battery and the dinner ready. 5 and 6- Flooring and insulation: We followed the steps from Dares Drives (a canadian guy that saddly stop uploading videos a year ago and couldnt got in contact with him again...) He made a lot of mistakes too, and show what not to do. I think nothing should run under the floor. and be perfectly sealed. and eventually if something gets really wrong, saw that part and fix it. I saw your struggling with the floor, I had mine. the truth is that, literally 80% of the floor will be under furniture or covered... Our Lonseal was abused (first thing we did was the floor then we build walking over it). I soldered, cut aluminum, made holes in the chasis, everything over that floor. It got glue, dirty shoes. etc. and after the correct cleaning an maintain (posted by Lonseal) its again like new. No mayor scratches. But they have a lot of different models, not just the design. We got one that was listed under "rv/ambulance" 7- I got into that thinking that may be 1515 series (1.5) was too much. But then the structures that we already did was for holing the batteries and the seat, and the fridge. I'm thinking that may be the over head storage cabinets I will do them in 10 series. But interconnecting them is a little tricky. A guy called Humble Road is a master on 8020. I highly recommend his channel. 8- We install the chinese heater under the passenger seat. easy install. THe first one died, so I got a second unit (not with BT) and the first ended up being the internal mech loose. In any case, we dont have spot issues, after it warmed the entire van. May be is related to insulation? we did the lizard skin 2 paints too. And also our A/C is heat too. But, if you put it in "vent/fan" mode at lower speed will move the hot air (top) and will create an even ambient inside the van. Also we installed the A/C in the back 9- Everything that I did was removable somehow. But its a tetris, and will be complicated for sure. All cables run from the top rib of the chasis. And I ran extra cables everywhere. I have a good hope that I never need to service anything of that. But eventually I could. It wont be easy tough. Its a little bit of the Egg or the chicken, You cant build something sturdy, good looking with great finish, but that could be removed easily. 10- Thanks for the tip! I'm using all the spaces but I will join together all I can ! :) 11- We did the Ekoflow power hub, at 15kw. At first I though was too much, but then I know my wife that dont want to be worried or saving energy, etc. Today I know for sure that it was the best option. We have the 750W solar panels + 200 flex (fixed) on sides of the vent + 150w over the hood (those are expensive and wont add much, but everything counts!) The unit charges 1Kw from the alternator (maximum). Also, the unit is 120v but I made a transformer from 240v and a EV charger adapter. so eventually I can use a public ev charger to charge the batteries at 120v@30a (3.6kw) (or run al the van electricity too) Its no ideal, if you are stopping for several days in the mountains. but if you have a city near with an ev charger. you can top off the batteries if you are very low, before you go into the mountains. I was thinking to have portable panels too. The second alternator its a good option. Ecoflow has smart generator that runs on propane. That you can set it up to start when batteries are less than 20%, for example. Its not ideal, but I preffer to put hours on a generator that its easy to replace, rather than the mercedes engine. About the secondary alternator,, you need to search a little more. (nations starter and alternator). kits are 1.8k U$. for your van . You can also replace the factory alternator for a higher output (mechman) like 400 Amps. That will be direct fit, no belt change, etc. Obviously (like having a secondary alternator) you need to run the + cable to the back of the alternator, from your charging system. since the factory cable is not sized for 400A. May be I'm lucking and you read this! :) I also invite you to the sprinter-source forum, there are a lot of old school builders and a great environment! (I learn a lot from them)
With power in a van. I’ve never met anyone out there travelling who has said we have too much power. I believe in put in as much as you can possibly afford. The second alternator is a lot of money. Your build is great 👍
7-O Savage, thanks for sharing those. Again, I learned a lot from your videos over the years. I haven't built my van fully yet (in progress) but am sure thankful for you sharing the mistakes. Every time you shared one I smiled as I have a solution for each and am glad it will be implemented. Here are some highlights to my build: - 48v (20.5kw) SOK battery bank w/ (2) Multi-plus II Victron inverters in parallel (4200w together at 20amps) - 1230 w residential solar panels - Spray foam insulation (Floors: 1/2" XPS in valleys and 1" on top with close cell spray foam in crevices - no squeaking) - 38 SEER 240v residential mini-split (tested at 230w/hr using heat) (A/C will be more efficient) - slam latches (no rattle) - Laveo Dry Flush (with kitty litter scoop assist, if necessary) - Wakespeed alternator - def will listen to your advice on that flooring part and removable paneling while I am planning the build
I actually really appreciate this video! Usually videos like this are puff pieces for UA-camrs, but this actually is some very insightful information that I will take into consideration when I start my camper build in a couple months. Thank you van dude!
Thanks so much! Spent about a year really trying to think of things that weren’t just tradeoffs (as many things are in a van build) but actual bad decisions :)
Everytime I've converted my van, it was 'perfect' for that moment at the time. But every time after living in it for a while, something in my life changed (work, location, relationship) and the van didn't meet my needs anymore.
It's great to see the follow up on how things have performed over time, as I remember watching the great thought you put into each element of the build👍😊
Quick comment so there's not a lot to read: - aluminum profiles - mix large and small for the best compromise in strength and weight/space with special attention given to keeping everything behind you in an accident and housing things like the batteries. - 4:17 stainless is hard and brittle. If you don't hang that exhaust tube somewhere it will crack during one of your continuous, rolling earthquakes :-p
I did my van build with 2020 extruded aluminum which is only 3/4" wide and is cheaper (available on Amazon) and still very strong with only 0.043" of deflection in a 24" span under 250 pound load. Plus it is available in both bare aluminum and anodized black which is what I used.
@@mlw8998 fire safety - unable to retain smells, moisture, and mold - strength - plus, my interior is all black and I used the black anodized aluminum and I really like the look of it.
Totally agree about the power issue. There’s no way to provide enough charging with solar. You need to use the van alternator to charge for adequate power. I upgraded my Sprinter alternator to a 300A alternator from PowerBastards only $495. Much cheaper than adding an extra alternator. Then I got a $28 Lisle Throttle Pedal Depressor to press the accelerator pedal to get a high idle. A bit hokey but it works like a charm. I can usually charge at around 150A+ at around 1000rpm, to get the full 300A you need to be above 1500rpm. In some ways the pedal depressor is better than the high idle kit because you can fine tune exactly what rpm you want to idle at. Also, for sure you need thick cable, I had to upgrade to 2gauge cabling to avoid a huge voltage drop in the charging cable.
@@RomaMay I’m tapping off the fused terminal block on the Sprinter starter battery. This goes to a 200ah 12V AGM house battery and a 400ah Ecoflow Delta 2 Max + Delta 2Max Extra Battery system. Due to the limitations of the Ecoflow system I’m having to charge through a 110V inverter + a Victron 12v to 30v DC to DC converter to maximize the charge rate. The Ecoflow system is a pain so I’m planning to convert this to a larger 10kw Lithium battery & Victron system which will require a DC to DC charge controller. I’m finding that the tap off the starter battery may not be able to supply the full 300A capacity so I may have to find a way to tap off the alternator directly or increase the wire gauge of the feed from the alternator to the starter battery.
A second alternator is key IMO as far as solar the optimum use is a solar sail. This has been tested so many times and is mathematically optimum. This will go in my van build this summer.
You could try the d-250 paired with the D-250se. They were like $600 combined but I charge at like 125A and it seems to be a good charger for me so far. However I will say I still do not have enough power either.😢 i’m not entirely sure, but I believe it is the heating pads I put on my gray tank and a little bit of that heated element for the plumbing pipes as well. I don’t think they use much power but I think over long period of time, that is what’s getting me. I just completed my van built two months ago and it is phenomenal. However, I can also say that I agree with many of the tips you gave in this video. I think as you get closer and closer to finishing up the van it is harder and harder to keep Things looking good and also being modular and easy to work on. I went from being able to take apart most of my van if I needed to and now, I definitely have at least one wall in the whole ceiling that I would have to completely rip out if I ever needed to get in there. 😳🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Im by no means an expert, but since you mention the need of huge wires for the electrical them im assuming that you are running a 12v system. Since you decided to use 12v batteries (6) to be precise. I believe you would benefit of switching to 48v as you basically just need step up converters, those are rather cheap. (Golf-kart use cheap $30 12v to 48v step-up converter) Your cable size and weight go down. The bms inside server rack batteries for example can handle the load of anything you throw at them, prices are about 1400 usd for 5kw at 48v. You can use an eg4 inverter pro-charger for super fast charging at 120-240v ac with charge dialing features and lastly use a dual alternator setup so that you can provide the full power of the 2nd alternator at close to idle speeds meaning you wont be messing with the oem alternator or its charging system. PLEASE WATCH WILL PROWSE LATEST VIDEO AS HE SPECIFICALLY MADE IT TO EXPLAIN WHY NOT TO USE 12V IN A BIG SYSTEM AND RECOMMENDS SWITCHING TO 48V.
I am in the design stage and I am also concerned about accessibility behind the walls and ceilings, but so few people talk about that on their builds! I would love a video about how to design accessible panels and where you typically need that most.
If you were to install flooring last around your cabinets, it seems like you would be creating a channel for water to seep into and actually do damage. I think the way you did it is the best and you would notice a water leak long before damage would occur. Maybe consider marine grade plywood for your next build if floor damage is a concern. I’m not sure if there would be any off gas to be concerned with or how contact cement would take to it though. Just an idea. Nice work! Definitely getting some of those floor mats for my build 👊🏻
My Dad was a CIVIL ENGINEER, and he knew if or when he needed to consult or take a project or vehicle \ boat to an expert. He was handy on many of our projects, and I was his helper. When you have a project that you are NOT AN EXPERT with a certain skill, BE SMART AND AT LEAST CONSULT AN EXPERT OR TURN THAT PORTION OVER TO EXPERT. Building in a motorized vehicle is no longer a “shade tree” mechanic project, with as much specialized technology or when dealing with propane or explosive materials. DIY IS NOT WORTH KILLING YOURSELF OVER! DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME - With proper planning and help! **IF YOU ARE REALLY THAT STUBBORN OR STUPID, at least get a MILLION DOLLARS IN LIFE INSURANCE !
On the 8020 I used both 15 and 10 series. For the bed frame, refrigerator, and microwave cabinet I used 15 series. The galley, and upper cabinets are 10 series. On the power concerns you are a good candidate for a Solar Sail. 1000 watts that you can adjust/focus towards the sun, have storage up top, and a huge screen to game on. This will not be as good as a the dedicated alternator, but I would prefer a generator over idling my van. A More fuel efficient mechanism for power generation, but often not considered in vans.
Hey brotha, Love your honesty and acknowledgment of mistakes - failure is the greatest teacher. Acknowledging one's faults is humbling and a solid base to build upon moving forward. Keep up the good work.
It's great learning from others what works and what doesn't. Regarding Baltic birch, that is almost impossible to find in my area, and if you can still find some, the price is exorbitantly expensive, but strength to weight ratio, does make the most sense. But with Russia's war and sanctions, I doubt Baltic birch will be making a comeback anytime soon. For the solar, in order to get more wattage on the roof of such a tiny vehicle, I think the best option would be to slightly elevate your existing panels, and create a sliding tray with additional solar panels that rests underneath that you can pull out when stopped to add additional wattage, and pushed back in and locked in place for traveling or if in tight quarters. Also having the means to tilt the panels to obtain the best efficiency in light gathering would be very beneficial. And depending on design and space available, the sliding tray could even double as an overhead awning to provide shade when wanting to setup some kind of outdoor seating or cooking area
OMG please make the perfect van latch system. Have been thinking about this and discussing this a lot lately, just want something aesthetically pleasing that's mechanical and heavy duty with a range of applications. Craziest thought I had was to try and make a smart device so you could lock all latches automatically on ignition turn or with a button. Please please. Much love and keep us updated
It really looks like a labor of love. You've invested a lot of time, effort and money on this strive for perfection. It's very informative and I got quite a lot out of watching you these last years. My hot take though and I'll go off on a rant here so fair warning :) A van lasts about 15 years, and there's always the possibility of a crash or theft. Spending over a year and a lot of cash makes sense for a passion project and perhaps also as the basis of youtube content but if not for those reasons I'd be skeptical about the cost vs. reward. That sort of approach of metal framing and doing everything to production standard perhaps makes sense for vans sold as a business and of course such a heavy battery system needs proper bracing, but generally it's much easier to do rudimentary standards with wood framing and 'good enough'/'functional' quality as it's quicker, cheaper, and easier to modify as there's not as much sunk cost and you can saw or screw into it easily. This sort of popular boxy framing with plain walls is nice for photos and it looks clean and in a house boxy cabinetry is a no brainer but practically speaking I think things like tiny boat galleys and van interiors are better off being more shaped to fit the human and more strictly toward form=function, by which i mean stuff like not having non functional surfaces anywhere it can be avoided, including walls, ceilings and side panels. Boxy cabinetry inevitably creates a lot of empty pockets of space and harsh corners protruding into living space where they get bumped into. For example the backsplash behind the sink could store a lot of stuff useful for cooking, the ceilings could have bungy nets where they makes sense, hooks can be everywhere to hang stuff up, cubby holes can be in many places everywhere, and everything built in a more temporary way so that it can be removed, heck even industrial cable channels where you can easily add/remove cables. We like to have closed cabinetry because it hides the mess, but especially in a small space it can be very useful to have more open storage. What's often annoying is all the steps to get at something: needing to open many doors and move many things out of the way to even find stuff, and then put it all back after you have it gets old fast so even though it can look messy it can be nice to have stuff in view where you can see and grab it. When you look at your drawers and cabinetry and think of the amount of space lost to big bulky framing, rails, gaps, bulky paneling and empty gaps behind it it's easy to see the actual volume of storage you get for the volume it takes up is quite low. It's super sturdy and really nice looking but it's also pricey and more storage is so nice to have. IMO vanlife becomes a lot easier with a pragmatic approach and being flexible or things get crazy, for example if you want airconditioning and a beefy gaming laptop and induction cooking you need a gigantic power system, but if instead you focus on good ventilation, gas burner cooking and an efficient laptop for example with an intel u-range processor and integrated graphics and a slightly smaller display to do more lower spec gaming(actually you can run quite a bit on them these days) you can get by with a lot less. On that topic by the way, it might be possible to fit a larger alternator from another vehicle instead of getting an expensive second one if you have the space. Perhaps get one for cheap from a car graveyard. There's other techniques to be cool like a spraybottle to mist yourself, having plenty of water to take regular showers to cool off, parking in the shade, having an awning, solar panels with some spacing and airflow under to get less heat from the sun, and maybe even consider renting a spot with power hookup during the summer so you can plug in an air conditioner. You can rent a spot with a power hookup for a long time for what you invested in that power system. I'm also a bit unsure about insulation, if living in canada it makes sense but I think in many places it might be worth while to at least try going without it at first because it saves cost and work and weight and ideally there's ventilation to the outdoors in the winter too so instead I think it makes sense to focus on heating for which there's many options, electric blanket, electric footpad, if you work a lot at the computer, a small 100 watt hot air blower to blow across the hands, a beanie hat, a catalytic heater and/or diesel heater but here I think I'd opt for the catalytic because it's so simple, so cheap to get and maintain and install and run, and radient heat makes sense in a ventilated space. I'd lean towards the architectural idea which in dutch we call "ruwbouw is nieuwbouw" which rhymes but translated it means "rough construction is finished construction" and you see it when people take old buildings or build new ones and leave things like rough surfaces bare with wiring and piping visible. That approach makes a lot of sense in a van too, or at least some middle ground. Just some 2 cents, don't take it the wrong way I have a lot of respect for your skills and expertise and your build really is a great accomplishment, just thought I'd share my unfiltered thoughts.
I am of the mindset of putting solar dollars towards more battery or the extra alternator. I just don't see a good ROI on flat roof solar. Your thoughts?
Great video. Your recommendations are solid. I built my van so I can remove the cabinets and every wall panel. I like to remodel and fix my own mistakes with routing electrical. Keep pushing the envelop and keep the videos coming!
Rather than Baltic Birch plywood try Hickory plywood. IMO it’s the very best. Amazing strength and waterproofing; especially with 2 coats of Danish Oil. You’re in Tahoe? I got my plywood in Sparks at a hardwood supply store. Thank you for all your videos. I’ve learned so much from you.
Hydronic floor heat is the way to go for even heat (Rixen system). This is our second build. The first had the typical D2 mounted under the passenger seat. The uneven heat was one of my biggest complaints. I hate having cold feet. We’ve lived in our latest build for the past 18 mos. in both summer and winter conditions. Summers can be tough but we stay on the coast. In winter, we move to the mountains and it is heaven. I don’t even have to wear slippers. Yes - on indoor plumbing and wiring. For some reason I missed that you ran everything outside when I watched your build series years ago. Consider bamboo for cabinetry next time. Yes it’s pricey but it’s lightweight and resilient.
Hey Seven O Savage, great video and thank you for putting this together. You are spot on regarding power. Based on the amount of work you have done you are completely capable of installing a 2nd alternator yourself and keeping the cost below the $3k range all in. My system is a retrofit to a Leisure Travel Vans Serenity. I have a Victron 3k with 3 BB GC3 270ah batteries with all of the associated components. I purchased and installed the Nations 280XP 3 belt system with Wakespeed regulator. The engine work is straight forward and the electrical work is in line with the power system that you installed. The hardest part is running 4/0 cable from the alternator to your power system which is required at this scale, my run is 25' which required a fair amount of planning like anything we do on our rigs. Again based on all of the work you have done you are completely capable of installing this yourself.
Other than having a Victron 5K, my build is the same and I have the Naltions Alt + Wakespeed in my plans as part of phase II. Did you go inside run or outside for the 4/0 cable? I was planning to route through the firewall, between captains' chairs, and down the driver (left) side of the van. I'm debating that route as maintainability down the road may not be possible as it goes behind a fixed component; the shower. Also, what was your solution for not being able communicate with the BMS in the GC3s to avoid load dump issues? TIA
@@kevinmctarsney36 I stayed outside past the firewall and came up through the floor underneath cabinetry and near the Lynx Distributor which is located above the rear drivers side axle. I leveraged the open channel on the passenger side between the exhaust and the driveshaft and came across to the drivers side around the middle of the chassis. I didn't love routing the cable anywhere near the exhaust but most everything else was located on the drivers side with very little room to run anything additional. The closest I am to any exhaust components is 10". I used 3 Blue Sea Systems CableClams to come up through the floor, one each for the pos/neg 4/0 cable and one for the Wakespeed cable. I've found these to be the best solution I can find to make a clean waterproof entry. I spray expanding foam into the floor hole on the inside for thermal purposes. I use a drill press to make the hole in the rubber plug otherwise the plug squirms around and the hole is oblong, I believe it was a 1/2" bit but I'd have to check on that, just slightly smaller than the OD of the Ancor 4/0 cable, much smaller bit for the Wakespeed cable. I'm not aware of a load dump issue and hope this doesn't impact me.
Class A solution for more off grid power has always been to run a generator to charge batteries or during high demand periods like suppertime, or even overnight for AC. Good generators just sip gas or diesel and are relatively quiet.
+1.. A comprehensive "What I'd design different" tutorial. .. A top shelf "shoulda coulda woulda" van build reflection from one of the best. .. Full Disclosure: Don't own a van nor aspire to. .. A retired electrical engineer. .. Cheers, M/S
For latches, I'm a fan of just normal kitchen handles and then magnets to keep the drawers in place. With the "perfect" magnet they sit like a glove. And yes, always have a "floating floor" as the last piece of the build kind of and roof before cabinets ;). I have the same issue with the battery bank and charging, but ended up with skipping the induction cooktop and use a propane one. It consumes soo little propane so I only have small cans with me lasting for weeks. The battery bank will just be for gaming and microwave + AC and will hold up that just fine.
So we have a 2nd alternator installed. It is in fact our only power source. We too have an AC and a 3000 Watt inverter, but just the 2nd alternator is sufficient. Expensive, but worth it. Other than when we run the AC for hours, we honestly never worry about power even though we have a slightly smaller system than you (7200Wh). Haven't been under 80% in a long time. We also make sure we almost never have to turn on the inverter; we buy mostly DC stuff and convert a few of the ones that don't come natively like that.
@@seven_o_savage The only caveat about this is that it depends how much you drive. The way we travel, we typically spend 30 minutes to an hour driving every day. Obviously, if you don't drive you don't get power. However, if you are willing to idle your van, that may solve the problem for you. It's totally worth the money if you can afford it. You are likely considering the same 2nd alternator we got. We got ours professionally installed for about $2K. If you are at all comfortable touching your engine, there really isn't that much to it and so you might be able to get by without it being professionally installed. If you have any questions about it, just let me know.
Super helpful and informative as usual! One thing I've been thinking about is if I was to do mine over again, I'd go with a couple of things different regarding my electrical system. One is that I'd go with 48V rather than 12V for a couple reasons because the wiring can be much thinner as the current running around is 1/4 as much (voltage doesn't require thick wire). I also think that the way we all use solar is rarely do we need it while we're driving (alternator charging is generally much better than solar), so I'd go with some kind of simple unfolding system that could even double as an awning, and could provide 2x or 3x the amount of solar. And it could be somewhat productive when moving and secured. Thanks for all the learnings!
4:40 min cook top A couple of years ago I saw a van tour and the dude mounted his cook top on a hinge to store it folded against the wall if not in use. The titel of the video is "Cleverly Designed Camper Van w/ Murphy Bed, Office & Tesla Power System" by TinyHomeTours and the relevant clip starts at 11:40 min. I am not sure what you store in the cabinet below the AC but finding a thin cook top and mounting it "inside" the Wall of the closet (?) sounds like a worth wile upgrade.
I hear you on the cooktop. We have a dual so it’s even more of a PITA to get out and set up. But - I didn’t have to give up the counter space and I gained drawer space by not mounting it in the countertop. Everything’s a trade off.
Thinking of how much air is accumulating in that heater box with the extra long tube, id say a reflective bendable tube is best. Relating to woodwork, I believe they call their devices 'storm gates', which changes which direction the shop vacuum flows and thus, more efficient suction. In this scenario, I'd suggest a 'Y' pipe with a heat proof storm gate thing to choose where the air blows out and also a curtain to close the cab off if applicable :) that way you could just permanently lay the long pipe under the units or whatever and out at the feet of the sitting area :)
As far as temp control my best solution to accomplish the same goal is the Hydronic heating system which is a game changer and helps any air heat much more efficient and no cold spots. On the AC side, a under mount mini split is my choice. More than enough to keep the van cool everywhere. Many choose a layout using the cab seats but I wanted separated living space so the use a wall gave me also keeps my living space at the temp control I select. These options require a hefty battery bank as well as the alternator.
I’m so glad I saw this video. My van installer guy who’s putting the electrical in now was annoying the crap out of me telling me that 800 ah batteries and a 50 dc/dc charger would be enough. I only have 400 solar currently so I spent an extra 650 for the new buck boost 100 dc/dc charger (hoping my 2021 i4 gas sprinter’s alternator can handle it)… I believe it’s a 250 but will have to verify. I’m like I’m a realist I know that on a cloudy day I’m gonna be screwed. So anyways your video made me feel better about going for the $1200 dc/dc charger lol. Still questioning my decisions to do all this on just a 2wd gas van, but I wouldn’t be able to afford out of pocket the upgrades if I went 4w or awd so hoping it’s still worth it. Interest rates these days too crazy to want a loan lol
I have 1440ah of lithium in this my 2nd van. 6 x 240ah hardkorr batteries. Runs the A/C really well and I don't worry much about it but still keep a close eye on the state of charge. Only have 400w of solar on the roof and have a 60A DC2DC charger. Shore power charges at 80A if I can get a plug in. Thinking about getting a 400w portable solar panel setup just for some extra solar charging too. So far so good. People said I was crazy for having a 1440ah system. I think it's common sense to have as much energy storage as possible.
Bro, get a honda generator and a couple gas cans and you're set. We have 200 amp hour lithium batteries and we use either our small instant pot or induction cook top and we have gotten below 50% once in all our travels. When we are out in the middle of no where and the 400 watts of solar aint cutting it, we turn the generator on for a bit and we're golden.
Love the build, we did a lot of similar things. I agree with going with the smaller 80/20, the 1" would have been more than fine. I have a 1000w of solar on the roof, 600ah of battery, and a 12v split ac. I used foam insulation on the ceiling and* 1/2 foam board under the tongue and groove roof paneling. I think your dark colored van is not helping you out trying to cool the interior. My AC can get the interior colder than you want it and I think its because its not fighting the exterior heat as much, it being white and having my whole roof solar. I also think you are right about the alternator upgrade, look around though I found a 450a alternator for $500 and I've already run a 00 wire. You can build that kit for much less. Thanks for the vids over the years, its helped me with my build.
Thanks! You put this out just in time! I'm currently redoing my van interior using a lot of the 8020 tips from your previous videos. I literally just got done working on my bed. Still covered in aluminum shavings. Haha Good to know 15 series is overkill for certain places. With that in mind I'm going to redesign my cabinets to use 10 series instead. Also, I had no clue what I was going to use for flooring. I've left it unfinished thinking I was going to put vinyl or something down. I'm going to look into Inhabit.
I'm sure someone makes them, but I have yet to see a laminate floor look good after a year or so. I would definitely do my electric differently next time. I would not run it in the channel between the roof and walls. I don't want to do another build so hopefully this one holds up to the test of time. Do you like having a large water tank opposed to 3 or 4 smaller portable ones? Yeah, so do a "what you love" build. And encourage your GF to build muscle. Comes in handy for more than sticky cupboard doors.
how about harnessing wind energy?? The tech has improved, for small installations! How about just storing & using DC, not AC? There's plenty of DC fridges, stoves and pumps! The heating & air conditioning should be a reversible system, with cold air vents up high and returns below them, then when it's winter, you swap the returns as hot output and the higher vents are the return... but the system should be piping heat along the walls to every location, not just one spot that tries to vent to the whole van. Think of the hot/cold air system AS A SYSTEM that also includes INSULATION and sealing against the wind.! I do love the 8020 aluminum framing, esp when you're in an accident or you have to stop fast.
@12:20 I agree with your thesis regarding there is not enough space on the roof for "enough" solar. But that being said, you could do much better with commercial grade panels. Those dark flexi panels on dark metal are going to get hot quick, and hot panels are not efficient panels. I chose to build on an ambulance, I have 1,560 watts of solar and 15 kW/h of battery, and I still want more energy collection.
I used series 10 aluminum extrusion for every structure in my van. Saves weight and money. If you design it right it’s plenty strong enough for the places that really take a lot of weight, like the bed. My build is over three years old and I’ve had no problems with using series 10.
Nice video, it was thought provoking, thank you. If I was designing a luxe van like yours, I'd research a 48v electrical system. Gotta cut down the amps.
Thanks for your negative information, your information is so useful and being a imfomation garooh is what a lot of us need to help our creativity. You are the Van man. Much love. Afriend.
Great follow-up update. Most van builds lack modularity, which allows easier maintenance and reworking over time. This also forces you to start over from scratch to make significant alterations. 8020 has its places, but it isn't optimal for a van. It is not optimal for the contours of the van shape, space efficient, strength optimized, nor affordable. Scrape rates can be high when adjusting builds, too many fasteners to keep tight, and messy cutting. I would make the most of quality plywood. Where strength is paramount, I would look for metal suppliers or, better yet, a metal fabricator to make structural assemblies. This would be for heavy items like water tanks, batteries, and refrigerator.
Great video, thanks for sharing. I'm leaning towards electronically activated magnets for my drawers and doors. I don't want any resistance when I'm opening/closing them and I also don't want any noise ie: clicking, snapping, latching, velcro(ing), etc. I like Everlanders setup where everything locks when he steps on the brake pedal. Or I'll use those cheap plastic ones that you use a magnet to open. For counter space, I want a smooth, flat, uninterrupted area for the 90% of the time I don't need a cook plate. I have 1 drain line under my van, from my shower, that will be heated and insulated. It tees into another drain that drops straight down through the floor into my gray tank (also heated/insulated). My kitchen sink drain runs under the flooring from the passenger side and then down into the gray tank. I didn't want any kind of dump valve on my gray tank that would have to be heated/insulated. So I came up with the idea to locate a macerator pump inside the van. It will pump the gray tank up into the heated space in the van and then back down through the floor and under the van where I'll connect a drain hose and pump into a dump station.
Great points, particularly with the floor, it makes sense and will also save a lot of weight. I put my floor down first and regret it now, as I have a little bit of movement at the join between panels, and have no idea how I'm going to fix it without trying to drill and cut out some of the flooring to pack it a little (glue). I'm doing a similar concept with my ceiling at the moment, but also to save weight. I'm using 7mm and 3 mm ply and using the rib panels in the van to create 7mm batons (lengthways) and the 3mm panels that simply slot between each baton (they're about 300mm apart which suits the mounting points in a VW crafter). The roof is only going where the roof is seen, as there's simply no point in lining the ceiling or walls of cupboards/ overheads if it doesn't need it. I'm using 80/20 as well in my van build here in AU, and the 25mm metric which seems to be fine - and has the best profile availability here. (equivalent to your 15 series I think) I like the sound of the inhabit flooring, but can't see that it's available in Australia - drat. Big vans here in AU are really hard to get hold of, and can take a couple of years to arrive with upgrades (like GVM). I do think that great 12V aircon systems are on their way. Eco flow is an AU one.
I spent a lot of time looking at air conditioners. There’s one now that you can get in a 2 ton that is solar as well as 220. I’m going to use it for solar and not get the inverter. The inverter does not make sense to me when I look at the cost Also being what it does I’ll need about 800 W of solar, which is two panels. I’m going to use a different kind of panel I’m going to use Merlin solar panels. They are the best by far way less than the others so weight is always a factor.
We learned a lot from this video. I'm building a habitat and custom building everything. We know that the choices are too many. Learning what was not good enough was great. May I suggest one new concept of raw floors screwed down for removing later. One UA-camr had a secret water leak and lost $10,000 while tearing every thing up to fix it. I would coat all floor panels with redguard
My n+1 experience with a Balmar XT250 secondary alternator in a '22 Sprinter... great when it works and expensive when it doesn't. We've spent over $2k and 4 trips to the mechanic during the past three weeks to troubleshoot/fix a squealing/whining noise that was related to the second alternator, serpentine belt, or pulleys. That doesn't include the $800 cost of the replacement alternator that we ordered from Balmar at the mechanic's recommendation. At this point we could've just about bought an entire new alternator kit. This is after only 5k miles on the second alternator that was installed by a shop that's very familiar with Balmar and Nations alternator installation. Just about every time my van has been in the shop there's another van in there to fix a secondary alternator issue. So yeah, when it works, it's a gamechanger for charging. When it doesn't, get ready to empty your wallet.
Great video thanks for the info. Can’t wait to see the next build. I wondered how the pipes were going to work out being run underneath. Keep up the great work.
For the latches, use electromagnetic door locks. One switch can lock/unlock them all at once and I believe they don’t use much power. They are used on commercial doors for access control - buzz me in. Been watching you since your earliest videos.
The best design is irrelevant if it doesn't work out for you. These real-tested design reviews are great for me, I can avoid your mistakes and make all new ones :) Inhabit flooring? Good to know, I hadn't figured out a top layer yet.
$5k on floor. Holy OCD! I know he fretted over the seam but sheesh! I’m not sure why anyone removes the stock MB floor. It is excellent quality and has worn very well since it’s designed to have pallets slid over it. I cover mine with a throw rug that’s easy to remove and clean. I insulated on top of it-under the cabinets so I can remove anything in case of a spill. I like the mats he used. Thin, when you need all the headroom, a little cushy, some noise dampening and insulation.
I agree with the power issue. Kind of concerned about my plans to go induction and pc gaming as my GPU guzzles watts. I'm planning on going with the dedicated alternator route. I think the alternator regulator is the most important aspect. I'm leaning towards the Zeus alternator regulator and probably a stereo high output alternator or the affiliated Zeus brand.
Very good points, things I may need to consider when I plan my build. I might suggest considering a 48V AC, and even though it may not eliminate the cold/hot spots, but will cool everything so much better/efficient. Fans to move the air.
Point 11 is always the most contentious. I was apprehensive about your choice of batteries when you first set them up. You're a smart enough guy to build your own battery bank and save space and money. For the next build, just get some 280 to 300 Ah, Prismatic, Grade A, LifePO4 cells from China and build your own battery bank. I got my 285 Ah cells from an Alibaba seller in 2020 and couldn't be happier with their performance. You just have to do your research, which I'm quite confident you'd do :) As far as charging goes, even diesel automotive engines (as opposed to gasoline), don't like running at higher RPMs for extended periods of time while the vehicle is not moving. They're just not designed for that. Cold seasons are obviously more friendly to that kind of abuse, but you'd want an all-season solution. If you find yourself needing to run the engine a lot, while stationary, just to charge the batteries, I wouldn't advise it. You'd be better off getting a traditional Onan type diesel generator, or a super-quiet Honda gasoline generator. All that being said, I can't really say which way you should go, because you've never really posted a hardcore, extended, battery/electrical/charging systems test, in a real-life scenario. Even though I've requested it a couple times, haha. Well, just my thoughts. You seem to have been posting more regularly lately, so I've "re-subscribed" :) Cheers, Sev
About your electrical system: I think at that stage, if you are thinking about a 7k alternator system (crazy btw) I think the solution could be a bigger array of solar blankets to set up outside when needed and folded when you don’t. I personally have just a 100a/h battery and a foldable solar blanket of 250w. That will work for my set up that it’s basically a fridge and some battery powered items. I do live in Australia as well where the sun hits great almost every season unlike you. But if not, man just consider a generator. Anything will be cheaper or more cost effective than that I reckon! ☺️
Would you consider a flip-down cooktop in the current van? I'm thinking a box to hold a cooktop that mounts to the side or against the van, maybe 1-2" up. To cook it drops down onto the counter top, then flips up for travel days or when you just need more counter space. Run the cord thru a cabinet for permanent power, but leave enough play so the cooktop comes out for cleaning.
I've used push to open drawer runners, no handles, work a treat, I'd imagine they might fly open in a crash but I don't like to think of the carnage of crashing a camper!
Thanks for the info on your truly terrific build. Coupla questions: 1. How can you have "removable" floor under cabinets and such? And if you do not have floor material in that location does that mean you forego insulation there? I get the spill problems, but am unclear how you also maintain insulation of any sort under the cabinet footprints etc. 2. The fact that you are shy on power is amazing. What use case do you employ your van for? Do you remote work IT with many hours stationary inside with AC running and parked in the shade for less solar but less interior solar heating? Don't you migrate to comfortable altitudes or other locations depending on season/location? Victron came out with a new 50A charger that can run in parallel with another one for 100A charging {and maybe daisy chain even more? not sure}. I plan on a 400AH system and I have a hard time foreseeing any troubles with power. But I will not be installing AC, only driving to higher elevations during hot muggy months. I'm a climate nomad and simply go where it's comfortable seasonally. Another thing is if you use electric cooking, gas can take a big load off your wattage draw. Anyway thanks for the update, very good info from the very best build I've seen. 👍
Howdy! The cabinets would have their own bottom panel. Yes I work from inside my van and am running laptop in high power mode all day. Then gaming laptop at night. Plus AC, heat tape, 2 diesel heaters, electric cooktop… I basically live the same way I live at home (which is part of my idea of the “perfect van”) That being said, when I was a kid I used to camp in the back of my old SUV and had just as much fun. I think there are many ways to build an amazing exploration vehicle including what you’re planning on here!
Great Video, been following along through both vans. Its nice to see the other side of build videos come to fruition. Im on my third iteration of the same van and get it! Regarding the extendable heater hose, Ive had luck with flexible dryer hose. It doesnt melt. We used ours in sub zero temps this weekend to add a boost from the seat heater to the rear door drafts and it worked well. The flange you have with a foil and wire hose may be a good solution. Keep up the great content and thank you!
I’ll probably go through one of these too soon. Like you I built with 15 series, but I’m not so sure about swapping to 10 series. I’ll go through the reasoning in my video. I also gave a crazy battery and solar (1110 ah and 800 watts). Yes, a big alternator would be great! I am looking forward to seeing your 11 things you love. Mine will probably surprise people.
regarding the second alternator... mine makes about 150-200 amps which is fantastic when driving however... when parked high idle on the main engine burns alot of fuel for the electricity generated. I carry a 3100 watt generator which can recharge my 1500 amp/hr battery in about 4-5 hr using only 2.5 gallon of fuel.
I have a 1680AH (12V, so 22kWh) of Lifepo4 batteries and 1300watts (4x335) of solar, and I also run low. With cooking electric, 2 people in the van, starlink, etc I use about 4-5 kWh ( ~350Ah) of power per day, and on sunny days I can reach that. But in the winter period (about 4 months, November till february) I still need to recharge about once a week. My hope for camper 3.0 of mine would be more solar. I am thinking about doing like a solar awning on the side of the camper, this can give you an extra few m2 of solar.
at 2:40, you discuss using baltic birch. Is that opposed to the maple? I just watched your cabinet build video (which, holy...wow! I am so impressed with all the steps you explain!) So would you use baltic birch vs. the maple? Is that because the paint is coming off? That maple is so beautiful, I would love to just varnish it. But if it isn't holding up for other reasons, please tell!! :)
It’s a bit complicated but the pretty pre-finished maple was great … it was different than the maple I used for 90% of the cabinets (because it couldn’t be painted). If you’re going to leave the wood exposed … the pre-finished stuff is great! If not … I’d stick with Baltic birch
As to the air conditioning and heating, more insulation, that also lowers the power requirement of your van (electrical power for air conditioning). Also, don't use the flexible solar panels, they are extremely expensive and relatively low power. Just go for 'normal' panels (glass with aluminum edge)
You’re making me feel good about a lot of my van decisions! :) We have a second alternator and it’s great in winter when the solar panels are covered in snow and there’s little sun, though don’t expect to actually get 300 amps of charging. In my experience, the real world is much lower and it often fluctuates when idling, but it’s still great to have. We can run the van for 45 minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening and keep things topped off. Does your van have the second alternator bracket? If so, it’s only about $2500 and you can install yourself, I promise it’s easy. If you don’t have that bracket it gets more difficult but still do-able. $7k is crazy.
Great tips! I've noted down "inhabit floor covering." Regarding heating and AC, a small mini-split might be the answer. I've seen some of them running at 350W while cooling at 70°F.
Another great video, thank you for the update which is so helpful to anyone planning a build. Question, have you run into any situations where you wished you had a 144 with the better departure angle than the 170?
For your eletrical needs, I think you should consider if those flexible panels are working well. I prefer the glass ones, they don't get so hot, and the flex ones always underproduce. Actually, get a few large bifacial panels.
Love the flooring mats! I have marmoleum (which is awesome), but I love a rug on top. I have tried several to no avail. Def gonna check out the inhabit!
About never having to worry about running out of electricity, are there any stand-alone generators out there, that can be mounted under the vehicle? That way, you can always carry an extra jerrycan and can access extra power from diesel without having to idle the car.
I would say yes to using more 8020 10 series instead of 15 series. It's much lighter and one can use braces or rely on the ply panels to stiffen longer spans if needed. Another thing I did was switch to the 3395/3360 style fasteners. Much stronger, less expensive. and less prone to getting in the way of other things. They do require a small drill press, which you will more than pay for with the savings from omitting all the 4119/4302 corner brackets and hardware.
I have an idea. Have your roof rack on slides so your solar panels become an awning. They could even rotate down a little for drainage and to point the panels at the sun. Then have a roll up radiant barrier that makes another awning for the roof of your van. Boom- now you have more solar power and far less heat load.
I so enjoy your candor and honesty in your posts. So helpful. I'm nearing the end of my build, 2023 AWD 170. Couple of observations. Floor issues. I looked into the Inhabit floor coverings but aesthetically didn't like any of the patterns. About 15 or so choices. I went with Lonseal (great colors!) and plan to use rugs and runners on top with some anti skid (velcro or rubber backing, not sure yet). Accessibility. Yup. Plumbing, wiring (those pesky refrigerant hoses and condensate lines) all need to be accessed at some point. It's inevitable. I have 1/4" bamboo wall panels connected via rivnuts that I can access once the cabinetry is removed. I ran a 12v fuse panel to the front just behind driver's seat for a lot of the more forward placed electrical items and all my plumbing is inside the van with the grey tank being the only exception. For when it freezes for the grey tank, I have thought of running a glycol loop from my underfloor heat system through it, I've looked at electric heating pads, I've considered cheap vodka or biodegradable antifreeze and then simply leaving the valve open in freezing conditions as suggested by someone here in the comments. I installed a remote switch ball valve (3/4") but also added a regular RV manual dump valve as I'd either have to run heat wire around the ball valve which seems like another thing to go wrong and a power draw, but will probably go the cheap vodka route or leave the manual valve open if the area permits (or bucket option) and simply not use the electric ball valve when it freezes outside. Looking forward one day to meeting up with you on the road and thanking you in person for all the help you've offered me and the vanlife community over the years. You da man!
Don’t be too hard on yourself, most people couldn’t do half of what you’re doing! It’s all a learning process anyway, no matter what we work on, it’s always the people who built it that see the flaws more than anybody else!
Hey Seven O Savage! I saw your videos, all of them, and some of them I watched like easily 10 to 20 times. Hhahaha. I started a van build on Jan 2023. And I learned as you learned, and I learned from comments from ppl on your videos too.
My van is like 70% done, I'm going to be a dad soon so I got little behind on the project (preparing for the new little person)
1- The second that we saw your choice on latches (on your original videos) my wife and I we immediately knew that you will bump into them (we traveled all around the US for 6 month in a trailer during covid so we learned a lot!)
2- I still not sure which wood to get, all we did were wood from HomeDepot, expensive ones.
3- Again, we lived in a "4 seasons", during our trip we stayed in very cold places (-10F) and then we moved to colorado and stayed 4 extra months during winter while searching for a house. The second you ran the pipes and the cables under the van, we knew that will be never "4 seasons". In our design we put the Sink on the same side of the van as the shower, the tank and all the plumbing, so no pipe goes out of the van or cross to the other side on the floor. I ran almost 500 meters of cables. We went for the Ecoflow power hub, and everything is inside one unit. less cables and fire hazard. But more expensive.
4- I'm installing a 2 induction stove, BUT after following a lot of full timers I learned that a pressure cooker (specially the new ninja with air fryer and pressure all in one with one cover). its incredible usefull, even more than having an induction. Has way better thermal transfer, and since you can close the lid, less mess, less smoke, etc. It warms up 2 times faster so it use half the energy. I installed a microwave/convection/air fryer from Breville too. Same space as a microwave but more cooking options. But I was trying the air fryer and I'm cooking almost everything there. And another plus is that you can cook while in motion. You can prepare everything, start the pressure cooking, and keep driving (if it has a secure place to stay). In that case you can use alternator energy or it to help the consumption and arrive with more battery and the dinner ready.
5 and 6- Flooring and insulation: We followed the steps from Dares Drives (a canadian guy that saddly stop uploading videos a year ago and couldnt got in contact with him again...) He made a lot of mistakes too, and show what not to do. I think nothing should run under the floor. and be perfectly sealed. and eventually if something gets really wrong, saw that part and fix it. I saw your struggling with the floor, I had mine. the truth is that, literally 80% of the floor will be under furniture or covered... Our Lonseal was abused (first thing we did was the floor then we build walking over it). I soldered, cut aluminum, made holes in the chasis, everything over that floor. It got glue, dirty shoes. etc. and after the correct cleaning an maintain (posted by Lonseal) its again like new. No mayor scratches. But they have a lot of different models, not just the design. We got one that was listed under "rv/ambulance"
7- I got into that thinking that may be 1515 series (1.5) was too much. But then the structures that we already did was for holing the batteries and the seat, and the fridge. I'm thinking that may be the over head storage cabinets I will do them in 10 series. But interconnecting them is a little tricky. A guy called Humble Road is a master on 8020. I highly recommend his channel.
8- We install the chinese heater under the passenger seat. easy install. THe first one died, so I got a second unit (not with BT) and the first ended up being the internal mech loose. In any case, we dont have spot issues, after it warmed the entire van. May be is related to insulation? we did the lizard skin 2 paints too. And also our A/C is heat too. But, if you put it in "vent/fan" mode at lower speed will move the hot air (top) and will create an even ambient inside the van. Also we installed the A/C in the back
9- Everything that I did was removable somehow. But its a tetris, and will be complicated for sure. All cables run from the top rib of the chasis. And I ran extra cables everywhere. I have a good hope that I never need to service anything of that. But eventually I could. It wont be easy tough. Its a little bit of the Egg or the chicken, You cant build something sturdy, good looking with great finish, but that could be removed easily.
10- Thanks for the tip! I'm using all the spaces but I will join together all I can ! :)
11- We did the Ekoflow power hub, at 15kw. At first I though was too much, but then I know my wife that dont want to be worried or saving energy, etc. Today I know for sure that it was the best option. We have the 750W solar panels + 200 flex (fixed) on sides of the vent + 150w over the hood (those are expensive and wont add much, but everything counts!) The unit charges 1Kw from the alternator (maximum). Also, the unit is 120v but I made a transformer from 240v and a EV charger adapter. so eventually I can use a public ev charger to charge the batteries at 120v@30a (3.6kw) (or run al the van electricity too) Its no ideal, if you are stopping for several days in the mountains. but if you have a city near with an ev charger. you can top off the batteries if you are very low, before you go into the mountains. I was thinking to have portable panels too. The second alternator its a good option. Ecoflow has smart generator that runs on propane. That you can set it up to start when batteries are less than 20%, for example. Its not ideal, but I preffer to put hours on a generator that its easy to replace, rather than the mercedes engine.
About the secondary alternator,, you need to search a little more. (nations starter and alternator). kits are 1.8k U$. for your van . You can also replace the factory alternator for a higher output (mechman) like 400 Amps. That will be direct fit, no belt change, etc. Obviously (like having a secondary alternator) you need to run the + cable to the back of the alternator, from your charging system. since the factory cable is not sized for 400A.
May be I'm lucking and you read this! :)
I also invite you to the sprinter-source forum, there are a lot of old school builders and a great environment! (I learn a lot from them)
I think you built it right with the 15 series. I use the 10 series in a different application and it bends a lot easier with longer lengths.
With power in a van.
I’ve never met anyone out there travelling who has said we have too much power.
I believe in put in as much as you can possibly afford.
The second alternator is a lot of money.
Your build is great 👍
Use cheep vodka to winterize. Doesn’t freeze and doesn’t taste bad like commercial products. Learned from Mariene mechanic in Maine.
7-O Savage, thanks for sharing those. Again, I learned a lot from your videos over the years. I haven't built my van fully yet (in progress) but am sure thankful for you sharing the mistakes. Every time you shared one I smiled as I have a solution for each and am glad it will be implemented. Here are some highlights to my build:
- 48v (20.5kw) SOK battery bank w/ (2) Multi-plus II Victron inverters in parallel (4200w together at 20amps)
- 1230 w residential solar panels
- Spray foam insulation (Floors: 1/2" XPS in valleys and 1" on top with close cell spray foam in crevices - no squeaking)
- 38 SEER 240v residential mini-split (tested at 230w/hr using heat) (A/C will be more efficient)
- slam latches (no rattle)
- Laveo Dry Flush (with kitty litter scoop assist, if necessary)
- Wakespeed alternator
- def will listen to your advice on that flooring part and removable paneling while I am planning the build
I actually really appreciate this video! Usually videos like this are puff pieces for UA-camrs, but this actually is some very insightful information that I will take into consideration when I start my camper build in a couple months. Thank you van dude!
Thanks so much! Spent about a year really trying to think of things that weren’t just tradeoffs (as many things are in a van build) but actual bad decisions :)
Everytime I've converted my van, it was 'perfect' for that moment at the time. But every time after living in it for a while, something in my life changed (work, location, relationship) and the van didn't meet my needs anymore.
It's great to see the follow up on how things have performed over time, as I remember watching the great thought you put into each element of the build👍😊
Quick comment so there's not a lot to read:
- aluminum profiles - mix large and small for the best compromise in strength and weight/space with special attention given to keeping everything behind you in an accident and housing things like the batteries.
- 4:17 stainless is hard and brittle. If you don't hang that exhaust tube somewhere it will crack during one of your continuous, rolling earthquakes :-p
I did my van build with 2020 extruded aluminum which is only 3/4" wide and is cheaper (available on Amazon) and still very strong with only 0.043" of deflection in a 24" span under 250 pound load. Plus it is available in both bare aluminum and anodized black which is what I used.
Thanks for the tip
Can youu make the whole van build out of this? Or are there limitations in areas? Ty
@@mlw8998 I did my entire build framing with it. Not a single stick of wood in it.
@@GaryNichols50 Would you say it is far superior in every way? And in what ways would that be besides the obvious weight issue?
@@mlw8998 fire safety - unable to retain smells, moisture, and mold - strength - plus, my interior is all black and I used the black anodized aluminum and I really like the look of it.
Takes a lot of humility to do a video like this, its why I still subscribe.
Totally agree about the power issue. There’s no way to provide enough charging with solar. You need to use the van alternator to charge for adequate power.
I upgraded my Sprinter alternator to a 300A alternator from PowerBastards only $495. Much cheaper than adding an extra alternator. Then I got a $28 Lisle Throttle Pedal Depressor to press the accelerator pedal to get a high idle. A bit hokey but it works like a charm. I can usually charge at around 150A+ at around 1000rpm, to get the full 300A you need to be above 1500rpm.
In some ways the pedal depressor is better than the high idle kit because you can fine tune exactly what rpm you want to idle at. Also, for sure you need thick cable, I had to upgrade to 2gauge cabling to avoid a huge voltage drop in the charging cable.
PowerBastards, great name🤣but agreed, I wish high output alternators were as easy to get in the UK, I don't wanna think what that'd cost me.
do you use DC DC or does the current from the generator go straight to the battery? What battery capacity do you have?
@@RomaMay I’m tapping off the fused terminal block on the Sprinter starter battery. This goes to a 200ah 12V AGM house battery and a 400ah Ecoflow Delta 2 Max + Delta 2Max Extra Battery system. Due to the limitations of the Ecoflow system I’m having to charge through a 110V inverter + a Victron 12v to 30v DC to DC converter to maximize the charge rate. The Ecoflow system is a pain so I’m planning to convert this to a larger 10kw Lithium battery & Victron system which will require a DC to DC charge controller.
I’m finding that the tap off the starter battery may not be able to supply the full 300A capacity so I may have to find a way to tap off the alternator directly or increase the wire gauge of the feed from the alternator to the starter battery.
A second alternator is key IMO as far as solar the optimum use is a solar sail. This has been tested so many times and is mathematically optimum. This will go in my van build this summer.
You could try the d-250 paired with the D-250se. They were like $600 combined but I charge at like 125A and it seems to be a good charger for me so far. However I will say I still do not have enough power either.😢 i’m not entirely sure, but I believe it is the heating pads I put on my gray tank and a little bit of that heated element for the plumbing pipes as well. I don’t think they use much power but I think over long period of time, that is what’s getting me.
I just completed my van built two months ago and it is phenomenal. However, I can also say that I agree with many of the tips you gave in this video. I think as you get closer and closer to finishing up the van it is harder and harder to keep Things looking good and also being modular and easy to work on. I went from being able to take apart most of my van if I needed to and now, I definitely have at least one wall in the whole ceiling that I would have to completely rip out if I ever needed to get in there. 😳🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Cutting back energy needs was my first step. Excellent job and thank you for sharing the good and less than good 🎈
Im by no means an expert, but since you mention the need of huge wires for the electrical them im assuming that you are running a 12v system. Since you decided to use 12v batteries (6) to be precise. I believe you would benefit of switching to 48v as you basically just need step up converters, those are rather cheap. (Golf-kart use cheap $30 12v to 48v step-up converter) Your cable size and weight go down. The bms inside server rack batteries for example can handle the load of anything you throw at them, prices are about 1400 usd for 5kw at 48v. You can use an eg4 inverter pro-charger for super fast charging at 120-240v ac with charge dialing features and lastly use a dual alternator setup so that you can provide the full power of the 2nd alternator at close to idle speeds meaning you wont be messing with the oem alternator or its charging system.
PLEASE WATCH WILL PROWSE LATEST VIDEO AS HE SPECIFICALLY MADE IT TO EXPLAIN WHY NOT TO USE 12V IN A BIG SYSTEM AND RECOMMENDS SWITCHING TO 48V.
48v is the answer to your problem
I haven’t seen all your videos but the ones I’ve seen are excellent I will be going back to watch all of them thanks
I am in the design stage and I am also concerned about accessibility behind the walls and ceilings, but so few people talk about that on their builds! I would love a video about how to design accessible panels and where you typically need that most.
If you were to install flooring last around your cabinets, it seems like you would be creating a channel for water to seep into and actually do damage. I think the way you did it is the best and you would notice a water leak long before damage would occur. Maybe consider marine grade plywood for your next build if floor damage is a concern. I’m not sure if there would be any off gas to be concerned with or how contact cement would take to it though. Just an idea. Nice work! Definitely getting some of those floor mats for my build 👊🏻
My Dad was a CIVIL ENGINEER, and he knew if or when he needed to consult or take a project or vehicle \ boat to an expert. He was handy on many of our projects, and I was his helper.
When you have a project that you are NOT AN EXPERT with a certain skill, BE SMART AND AT LEAST CONSULT AN EXPERT OR TURN THAT PORTION OVER TO EXPERT.
Building in a motorized vehicle is no longer a “shade tree” mechanic project, with as much specialized technology or when dealing with propane or explosive materials.
DIY IS NOT WORTH KILLING YOURSELF OVER!
DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME - With proper planning and help!
**IF YOU ARE REALLY THAT STUBBORN OR STUPID, at least get a MILLION DOLLARS IN LIFE INSURANCE !
On the 8020 I used both 15 and 10 series. For the bed frame, refrigerator, and microwave cabinet I used 15 series. The galley, and upper cabinets are 10 series.
On the power concerns you are a good candidate for a Solar Sail. 1000 watts that you can adjust/focus towards the sun, have storage up top, and a huge screen to game on. This will not be as good as a the dedicated alternator, but I would prefer a generator over idling my van. A More fuel efficient mechanism for power generation, but often not considered in vans.
Hey brotha, Love your honesty and acknowledgment of mistakes - failure is the greatest teacher. Acknowledging one's faults is humbling and a solid base to build upon moving forward. Keep up the good work.
It's great learning from others what works and what doesn't.
Regarding Baltic birch, that is almost impossible to find in my area, and if you can still find some, the price is exorbitantly expensive, but strength to weight ratio, does make the most sense. But with Russia's war and sanctions, I doubt Baltic birch will be making a comeback anytime soon.
For the solar, in order to get more wattage on the roof of such a tiny vehicle, I think the best option would be to slightly elevate your existing panels, and create a sliding tray with additional solar panels that rests underneath that you can pull out when stopped to add additional wattage, and pushed back in and locked in place for traveling or if in tight quarters. Also having the means to tilt the panels to obtain the best efficiency in light gathering would be very beneficial. And depending on design and space available, the sliding tray could even double as an overhead awning to provide shade when wanting to setup some kind of outdoor seating or cooking area
OMG please make the perfect van latch system. Have been thinking about this and discussing this a lot lately, just want something aesthetically pleasing that's mechanical and heavy duty with a range of applications. Craziest thought I had was to try and make a smart device so you could lock all latches automatically on ignition turn or with a button. Please please. Much love and keep us updated
Another super helpful video, and I’m copying ideas from your layout, I love it!
It really looks like a labor of love. You've invested a lot of time, effort and money on this strive for perfection.
It's very informative and I got quite a lot out of watching you these last years.
My hot take though and I'll go off on a rant here so fair warning :)
A van lasts about 15 years, and there's always the possibility of a crash or theft. Spending over a year and a lot of cash makes sense for a passion project and perhaps also as the basis of youtube content but if not for those reasons I'd be skeptical about the cost vs. reward.
That sort of approach of metal framing and doing everything to production standard perhaps makes sense for vans sold as a business and of course such a heavy battery system needs proper bracing, but generally it's much easier to do rudimentary standards with wood framing and 'good enough'/'functional' quality as it's quicker, cheaper, and easier to modify as there's not as much sunk cost and you can saw or screw into it easily.
This sort of popular boxy framing with plain walls is nice for photos and it looks clean and in a house boxy cabinetry is a no brainer but practically speaking I think things like tiny boat galleys and van interiors are better off being more shaped to fit the human and more strictly toward form=function, by which i mean stuff like not having non functional surfaces anywhere it can be avoided, including walls, ceilings and side panels.
Boxy cabinetry inevitably creates a lot of empty pockets of space and harsh corners protruding into living space where they get bumped into.
For example the backsplash behind the sink could store a lot of stuff useful for cooking, the ceilings could have bungy nets where they makes sense, hooks can be everywhere to hang stuff up, cubby holes can be in many places everywhere, and everything built in a more temporary way so that it can be removed, heck even industrial cable channels where you can easily add/remove cables.
We like to have closed cabinetry because it hides the mess, but especially in a small space it can be very useful to have more open storage. What's often annoying is all the steps to get at something: needing to open many doors and move many things out of the way to even find stuff, and then put it all back after you have it gets old fast so even though it can look messy it can be nice to have stuff in view where you can see and grab it. When you look at your drawers and cabinetry and think of the amount of space lost to big bulky framing, rails, gaps, bulky paneling and empty gaps behind it it's easy to see the actual volume of storage you get for the volume it takes up is quite low. It's super sturdy and really nice looking but it's also pricey and more storage is so nice to have.
IMO vanlife becomes a lot easier with a pragmatic approach and being flexible or things get crazy, for example if you want airconditioning and a beefy gaming laptop and induction cooking you need a gigantic power system, but if instead you focus on good ventilation, gas burner cooking and an efficient laptop for example with an intel u-range processor and integrated graphics and a slightly smaller display to do more lower spec gaming(actually you can run quite a bit on them these days) you can get by with a lot less.
On that topic by the way, it might be possible to fit a larger alternator from another vehicle instead of getting an expensive second one if you have the space. Perhaps get one for cheap from a car graveyard.
There's other techniques to be cool like a spraybottle to mist yourself, having plenty of water to take regular showers to cool off, parking in the shade, having an awning, solar panels with some spacing and airflow under to get less heat from the sun, and maybe even consider renting a spot with power hookup during the summer so you can plug in an air conditioner. You can rent a spot with a power hookup for a long time for what you invested in that power system.
I'm also a bit unsure about insulation, if living in canada it makes sense but I think in many places it might be worth while to at least try going without it at first because it saves cost and work and weight and ideally there's ventilation to the outdoors in the winter too so instead I think it makes sense to focus on heating for which there's many options, electric blanket, electric footpad, if you work a lot at the computer, a small 100 watt hot air blower to blow across the hands, a beanie hat, a catalytic heater and/or diesel heater but here I think I'd opt for the catalytic because it's so simple, so cheap to get and maintain and install and run, and radient heat makes sense in a ventilated space.
I'd lean towards the architectural idea which in dutch we call "ruwbouw is nieuwbouw" which rhymes but translated it means "rough construction is finished construction" and you see it when people take old buildings or build new ones and leave things like rough surfaces bare with wiring and piping visible. That approach makes a lot of sense in a van too, or at least some middle ground.
Just some 2 cents, don't take it the wrong way I have a lot of respect for your skills and expertise and your build really is a great accomplishment, just thought I'd share my unfiltered thoughts.
I am of the mindset of putting solar dollars towards more battery or the extra alternator. I just don't see a good ROI on flat roof solar. Your thoughts?
Great video. Your recommendations are solid. I built my van so I can remove the cabinets and every wall panel. I like to remodel and fix my own mistakes with routing electrical.
Keep pushing the envelop and keep the videos coming!
these are fun to watch, especially when you're in the process of building your own :)
Rather than Baltic Birch plywood try Hickory plywood. IMO it’s the very best. Amazing strength and waterproofing; especially with 2 coats of Danish Oil. You’re in Tahoe? I got my plywood in Sparks at a hardwood supply store. Thank you for all your videos. I’ve learned so much from you.
Hydronic floor heat is the way to go for even heat (Rixen system). This is our second build. The first had the typical D2 mounted under the passenger seat. The uneven heat was one of my biggest complaints. I hate having cold feet. We’ve lived in our latest build for the past 18 mos. in both summer and winter conditions. Summers can be tough but we stay on the coast. In winter, we move to the mountains and it is heaven. I don’t even have to wear slippers. Yes - on indoor plumbing and wiring. For some reason I missed that you ran everything outside when I watched your build series years ago. Consider bamboo for cabinetry next time. Yes it’s pricey but it’s lightweight and resilient.
Hey Seven O Savage, great video and thank you for putting this together. You are spot on regarding power. Based on the amount of work you have done you are completely capable of installing a 2nd alternator yourself and keeping the cost below the $3k range all in. My system is a retrofit to a Leisure Travel Vans Serenity. I have a Victron 3k with 3 BB GC3 270ah batteries with all of the associated components. I purchased and installed the Nations 280XP 3 belt system with Wakespeed regulator. The engine work is straight forward and the electrical work is in line with the power system that you installed. The hardest part is running 4/0 cable from the alternator to your power system which is required at this scale, my run is 25' which required a fair amount of planning like anything we do on our rigs. Again based on all of the work you have done you are completely capable of installing this yourself.
Thanks Scott that’s good to know! I might look into doing myself in this case…
Other than having a Victron 5K, my build is the same and I have the Naltions Alt + Wakespeed in my plans as part of phase II. Did you go inside run or outside for the 4/0 cable? I was planning to route through the firewall, between captains' chairs, and down the driver (left) side of the van. I'm debating that route as maintainability down the road may not be possible as it goes behind a fixed component; the shower.
Also, what was your solution for not being able communicate with the BMS in the GC3s to avoid load dump issues? TIA
@@kevinmctarsney36 I stayed outside past the firewall and came up through the floor underneath cabinetry and near the Lynx Distributor which is located above the rear drivers side axle. I leveraged the open channel on the passenger side between the exhaust and the driveshaft and came across to the drivers side around the middle of the chassis. I didn't love routing the cable anywhere near the exhaust but most everything else was located on the drivers side with very little room to run anything additional. The closest I am to any exhaust components is 10". I used 3 Blue Sea Systems CableClams to come up through the floor, one each for the pos/neg 4/0 cable and one for the Wakespeed cable. I've found these to be the best solution I can find to make a clean waterproof entry. I spray expanding foam into the floor hole on the inside for thermal purposes. I use a drill press to make the hole in the rubber plug otherwise the plug squirms around and the hole is oblong, I believe it was a 1/2" bit but I'd have to check on that, just slightly smaller than the OD of the Ancor 4/0 cable, much smaller bit for the Wakespeed cable. I'm not aware of a load dump issue and hope this doesn't impact me.
@@ScottRMRZ thanks for the response! Very helpful.
I agree, I said the same thing. I installed a second alternator from nations on mine no problem for around $2500. Definitely a doable self install!
Class A solution for more off grid power has always been to run a generator to charge batteries or during high demand periods like suppertime, or even overnight for AC. Good generators just sip gas or diesel and are relatively quiet.
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For latches, I'm a fan of just normal kitchen handles and then magnets to keep the drawers in place. With the "perfect" magnet they sit like a glove. And yes, always have a "floating floor" as the last piece of the build kind of and roof before cabinets ;). I have the same issue with the battery bank and charging, but ended up with skipping the induction cooktop and use a propane one. It consumes soo little propane so I only have small cans with me lasting for weeks. The battery bank will just be for gaming and microwave + AC and will hold up that just fine.
So we have a 2nd alternator installed. It is in fact our only power source. We too have an AC and a 3000 Watt inverter, but just the 2nd alternator is sufficient. Expensive, but worth it. Other than when we run the AC for hours, we honestly never worry about power even though we have a slightly smaller system than you (7200Wh). Haven't been under 80% in a long time. We also make sure we almost never have to turn on the inverter; we buy mostly DC stuff and convert a few of the ones that don't come natively like that.
Very interesting to hear. I’ve heard a similar sentiment from other folks with 2nd alternators and now I’m even more inclined to go this route!
@@seven_o_savage The only caveat about this is that it depends how much you drive. The way we travel, we typically spend 30 minutes to an hour driving every day. Obviously, if you don't drive you don't get power. However, if you are willing to idle your van, that may solve the problem for you. It's totally worth the money if you can afford it. You are likely considering the same 2nd alternator we got. We got ours professionally installed for about $2K. If you are at all comfortable touching your engine, there really isn't that much to it and so you might be able to get by without it being professionally installed. If you have any questions about it, just let me know.
Super helpful and informative as usual! One thing I've been thinking about is if I was to do mine over again, I'd go with a couple of things different regarding my electrical system. One is that I'd go with 48V rather than 12V for a couple reasons because the wiring can be much thinner as the current running around is 1/4 as much (voltage doesn't require thick wire). I also think that the way we all use solar is rarely do we need it while we're driving (alternator charging is generally much better than solar), so I'd go with some kind of simple unfolding system that could even double as an awning, and could provide 2x or 3x the amount of solar. And it could be somewhat productive when moving and secured. Thanks for all the learnings!
4:40 min cook top
A couple of years ago I saw a van tour and the dude mounted his cook top on a hinge to store it folded against the wall if not in use.
The titel of the video is "Cleverly Designed Camper Van w/ Murphy Bed, Office & Tesla Power System" by TinyHomeTours and the relevant clip starts at 11:40 min.
I am not sure what you store in the cabinet below the AC but finding a thin cook top and mounting it "inside" the Wall of the closet (?) sounds like a worth wile upgrade.
Genius idea!!
I hear you on the cooktop. We have a dual so it’s even more of a PITA to get out and set up. But - I didn’t have to give up the counter space and I gained drawer space by not mounting it in the countertop. Everything’s a trade off.
Thinking of how much air is accumulating in that heater box with the extra long tube, id say a reflective bendable tube is best. Relating to woodwork, I believe they call their devices 'storm gates', which changes which direction the shop vacuum flows and thus, more efficient suction. In this scenario, I'd suggest a 'Y' pipe with a heat proof storm gate thing to choose where the air blows out and also a curtain to close the cab off if applicable :) that way you could just permanently lay the long pipe under the units or whatever and out at the feet of the sitting area :)
As far as temp control my best solution to accomplish the same goal is the Hydronic heating system which is a game changer and helps any air heat much more efficient and no cold spots. On the AC side, a under mount mini split is my choice. More than enough to keep the van cool everywhere. Many choose a layout using the cab seats but I wanted separated living space so the use a wall gave me also keeps my living space at the temp control I select. These options require a hefty battery bank as well as the alternator.
I’m so glad I saw this video. My van installer guy who’s putting the electrical in now was annoying the crap out of me telling me that 800 ah batteries and a 50 dc/dc charger would be enough. I only have 400 solar currently so I spent an extra 650 for the new buck boost 100 dc/dc charger (hoping my 2021 i4 gas sprinter’s alternator can handle it)… I believe it’s a 250 but will have to verify. I’m like I’m a realist I know that on a cloudy day I’m gonna be screwed. So anyways your video made me feel better about going for the $1200 dc/dc charger lol. Still questioning my decisions to do all this on just a 2wd gas van, but I wouldn’t be able to afford out of pocket the upgrades if I went 4w or awd so hoping it’s still worth it. Interest rates these days too crazy to want a loan lol
I have 1440ah of lithium in this my 2nd van. 6 x 240ah hardkorr batteries. Runs the A/C really well and I don't worry much about it but still keep a close eye on the state of charge. Only have 400w of solar on the roof and have a 60A DC2DC charger. Shore power charges at 80A if I can get a plug in. Thinking about getting a 400w portable solar panel setup just for some extra solar charging too. So far so good. People said I was crazy for having a 1440ah system. I think it's common sense to have as much energy storage as possible.
Bro, get a honda generator and a couple gas cans and you're set. We have 200 amp hour lithium batteries and we use either our small instant pot or induction cook top and we have gotten below 50% once in all our travels. When we are out in the middle of no where and the 400 watts of solar aint cutting it, we turn the generator on for a bit and we're golden.
Love the build, we did a lot of similar things. I agree with going with the smaller 80/20, the 1" would have been more than fine. I have a 1000w of solar on the roof, 600ah of battery, and a 12v split ac. I used foam insulation on the ceiling and* 1/2 foam board under the tongue and groove roof paneling. I think your dark colored van is not helping you out trying to cool the interior. My AC can get the interior colder than you want it and I think its because its not fighting the exterior heat as much, it being white and having my whole roof solar. I also think you are right about the alternator upgrade, look around though I found a 450a alternator for $500 and I've already run a 00 wire. You can build that kit for much less. Thanks for the vids over the years, its helped me with my build.
Thanks! You put this out just in time! I'm currently redoing my van interior using a lot of the 8020 tips from your previous videos. I literally just got done working on my bed. Still covered in aluminum shavings. Haha
Good to know 15 series is overkill for certain places. With that in mind I'm going to redesign my cabinets to use 10 series instead.
Also, I had no clue what I was going to use for flooring. I've left it unfinished thinking I was going to put vinyl or something down. I'm going to look into Inhabit.
Building to same van model. Your videos have been a huge influence. I’m right with you on more accessibility to wall panels and what’s behind them. 👍👍
I'm sure someone makes them, but I have yet to see a laminate floor look good after a year or so.
I would definitely do my electric differently next time. I would not run it in the channel between the roof and walls.
I don't want to do another build so hopefully this one holds up to the test of time.
Do you like having a large water tank opposed to 3 or 4 smaller portable ones?
Yeah, so do a "what you love" build.
And encourage your GF to build muscle. Comes in handy for more than sticky cupboard doors.
how about harnessing wind energy?? The tech has improved, for small installations! How about just storing & using DC, not AC? There's plenty of DC fridges, stoves and pumps! The heating & air conditioning should be a reversible system, with cold air vents up high and returns below them, then when it's winter, you swap the returns as hot output and the higher vents are the return... but the system should be piping heat along the walls to every location, not just one spot that tries to vent to the whole van. Think of the hot/cold air system AS A SYSTEM that also includes INSULATION and sealing against the wind.! I do love the 8020 aluminum framing, esp when you're in an accident or you have to stop fast.
@12:20 I agree with your thesis regarding there is not enough space on the roof for "enough" solar. But that being said, you could do much better with commercial grade panels. Those dark flexi panels on dark metal are going to get hot quick, and hot panels are not efficient panels. I chose to build on an ambulance, I have 1,560 watts of solar and 15 kW/h of battery, and I still want more energy collection.
I used series 10 aluminum extrusion for every structure in my van. Saves weight and money. If you design it right it’s plenty strong enough for the places that really take a lot of weight, like the bed. My build is over three years old and I’ve had no problems with using series 10.
Nice video, it was thought provoking, thank you. If I was designing a luxe van like yours, I'd research a 48v electrical system. Gotta cut down the amps.
Thanks for your negative information, your information is so useful and being a imfomation garooh is what a lot of us need to help our creativity. You are the Van man. Much love. Afriend.
Thanks for the top tips ✌
Just finshed cutting all the holes in my van and just about to do the interior 🤞
Great follow-up update.
Most van builds lack modularity, which allows easier maintenance and reworking over time. This also forces you to start over from scratch to make significant alterations.
8020 has its places, but it isn't optimal for a van. It is not optimal for the contours of the van shape, space efficient, strength optimized, nor affordable. Scrape rates can be high when adjusting builds, too many fasteners to keep tight, and messy cutting. I would make the most of quality plywood.
Where strength is paramount, I would look for metal suppliers or, better yet, a metal fabricator to make structural assemblies. This would be for heavy items like water tanks, batteries, and refrigerator.
An idea, raise the floor a little and run the water and wires down the middle with access panels
Great video, thanks for sharing.
I'm leaning towards electronically activated magnets for my drawers and doors. I don't want any resistance when I'm opening/closing them and I also don't want any noise ie: clicking, snapping, latching, velcro(ing), etc. I like Everlanders setup where everything locks when he steps on the brake pedal. Or I'll use those cheap plastic ones that you use a magnet to open.
For counter space, I want a smooth, flat, uninterrupted area for the 90% of the time I don't need a cook plate.
I have 1 drain line under my van, from my shower, that will be heated and insulated. It tees into another drain that drops straight down through the floor into my gray tank (also heated/insulated). My kitchen sink drain runs under the flooring from the passenger side and then down into the gray tank. I didn't want any kind of dump valve on my gray tank that would have to be heated/insulated. So I came up with the idea to locate a macerator pump inside the van. It will pump the gray tank up into the heated space in the van and then back down through the floor and under the van where I'll connect a drain hose and pump into a dump station.
Great points, particularly with the floor, it makes sense and will also save a lot of weight. I put my floor down first and regret it now, as I have a little bit of movement at the join between panels, and have no idea how I'm going to fix it without trying to drill and cut out some of the flooring to pack it a little (glue).
I'm doing a similar concept with my ceiling at the moment, but also to save weight. I'm using 7mm and 3 mm ply and using the rib panels in the van to create 7mm batons (lengthways) and the 3mm panels that simply slot between each baton (they're about 300mm apart which suits the mounting points in a VW crafter). The roof is only going where the roof is seen, as there's simply no point in lining the ceiling or walls of cupboards/ overheads if it doesn't need it.
I'm using 80/20 as well in my van build here in AU, and the 25mm metric which seems to be fine - and has the best profile availability here. (equivalent to your 15 series I think)
I like the sound of the inhabit flooring, but can't see that it's available in Australia - drat.
Big vans here in AU are really hard to get hold of, and can take a couple of years to arrive with upgrades (like GVM).
I do think that great 12V aircon systems are on their way. Eco flow is an AU one.
I spent a lot of time looking at air conditioners. There’s one now that you can get in a 2 ton that is solar as well as 220. I’m going to use it for solar and not get the inverter. The inverter does not make sense to me when I look at the cost Also being what it does I’ll need about 800 W of solar, which is two panels. I’m going to use a different kind of panel I’m going to use Merlin solar panels. They are the best by far way less than the others so weight is always a factor.
We learned a lot from this video. I'm building a habitat and custom building everything. We know that the choices are too many. Learning what was not good enough was great. May I suggest one new concept of raw floors screwed down for removing later. One UA-camr had a secret water leak and lost $10,000 while tearing every thing up to fix it. I would coat all floor panels with redguard
My n+1 experience with a Balmar XT250 secondary alternator in a '22 Sprinter... great when it works and expensive when it doesn't.
We've spent over $2k and 4 trips to the mechanic during the past three weeks to troubleshoot/fix a squealing/whining noise that was related to the second alternator, serpentine belt, or pulleys. That doesn't include the $800 cost of the replacement alternator that we ordered from Balmar at the mechanic's recommendation. At this point we could've just about bought an entire new alternator kit.
This is after only 5k miles on the second alternator that was installed by a shop that's very familiar with Balmar and Nations alternator installation. Just about every time my van has been in the shop there's another van in there to fix a secondary alternator issue.
So yeah, when it works, it's a gamechanger for charging. When it doesn't, get ready to empty your wallet.
Great video thanks for the info. Can’t wait to see the next build. I wondered how the pipes were going to work out being run underneath. Keep up the great work.
the 1010 series of the 8020 bends like crazy
For the latches, use electromagnetic door locks. One switch can lock/unlock them all at once and I believe they don’t use much power. They are used on commercial doors for access control - buzz me in. Been watching you since your earliest videos.
The best design is irrelevant if it doesn't work out for you. These real-tested design reviews are great for me, I can avoid your mistakes and make all new ones :)
Inhabit flooring? Good to know, I hadn't figured out a top layer yet.
$5k on floor. Holy OCD!
I know he fretted over the seam but sheesh!
I’m not sure why anyone removes the stock MB floor. It is excellent quality and has worn very well since it’s designed to have pallets slid over it.
I cover mine with a throw rug that’s easy to remove and clean.
I insulated on top of it-under the cabinets so I can remove anything in case of a spill.
I like the mats he used. Thin, when you need all the headroom, a little cushy, some noise dampening and insulation.
I agree with the power issue. Kind of concerned about my plans to go induction and pc gaming as my GPU guzzles watts. I'm planning on going with the dedicated alternator route. I think the alternator regulator is the most important aspect. I'm leaning towards the Zeus alternator regulator and probably a stereo high output alternator or the affiliated Zeus brand.
Maybe a couple of quiet little low-power fans, strategically placed to gently circulate the air, would be a good hack for the hot/cold spots.
Very good points, things I may need to consider when I plan my build. I might suggest considering a 48V AC, and even though it may not eliminate the cold/hot spots, but will cool everything so much better/efficient. Fans to move the air.
Point 11 is always the most contentious. I was apprehensive about your choice of batteries when you first set them up. You're a smart enough guy to build your own battery bank and save space and money. For the next build, just get some 280 to 300 Ah, Prismatic, Grade A, LifePO4 cells from China and build your own battery bank. I got my 285 Ah cells from an Alibaba seller in 2020 and couldn't be happier with their performance. You just have to do your research, which I'm quite confident you'd do :)
As far as charging goes, even diesel automotive engines (as opposed to gasoline), don't like running at higher RPMs for extended periods of time while the vehicle is not moving. They're just not designed for that. Cold seasons are obviously more friendly to that kind of abuse, but you'd want an all-season solution. If you find yourself needing to run the engine a lot, while stationary, just to charge the batteries, I wouldn't advise it. You'd be better off getting a traditional Onan type diesel generator, or a super-quiet Honda gasoline generator.
All that being said, I can't really say which way you should go, because you've never really posted a hardcore, extended, battery/electrical/charging systems test, in a real-life scenario. Even though I've requested it a couple times, haha.
Well, just my thoughts. You seem to have been posting more regularly lately, so I've "re-subscribed" :)
Cheers, Sev
About your electrical system: I think at that stage, if you are thinking about a 7k alternator system (crazy btw) I think the solution could be a bigger array of solar blankets to set up outside when needed and folded when you don’t. I personally have just a 100a/h battery and a foldable solar blanket of 250w. That will work for my set up that it’s basically a fridge and some battery powered items. I do live in Australia as well where the sun hits great almost every season unlike you. But if not, man just consider a generator. Anything will be cheaper or more cost effective than that I reckon!
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Aluminum has stress fatigue So load bearing in case of accidents use caution
Would you consider a flip-down cooktop in the current van? I'm thinking a box to hold a cooktop that mounts to the side or against the van, maybe 1-2" up. To cook it drops down onto the counter top, then flips up for travel days or when you just need more counter space. Run the cord thru a cabinet for permanent power, but leave enough play so the cooktop comes out for cleaning.
I've used push to open drawer runners, no handles, work a treat, I'd imagine they might fly open in a crash but I don't like to think of the carnage of crashing a camper!
Thanks for the info on your truly terrific build. Coupla questions: 1. How can you have "removable" floor under cabinets and such? And if you do not have floor material in that location does that mean you forego insulation there? I get the spill problems, but am unclear how you also maintain insulation of any sort under the cabinet footprints etc.
2. The fact that you are shy on power is amazing. What use case do you employ your van for? Do you remote work IT with many hours stationary inside with AC running and parked in the shade for less solar but less interior solar heating? Don't you migrate to comfortable altitudes or other locations depending on season/location?
Victron came out with a new 50A charger that can run in parallel with another one for 100A charging {and maybe daisy chain even more? not sure}. I plan on a 400AH system and I have a hard time foreseeing any troubles with power. But I will not be installing AC, only driving to higher elevations during hot muggy months. I'm a climate nomad and simply go where it's comfortable seasonally.
Another thing is if you use electric cooking, gas can take a big load off your wattage draw. Anyway thanks for the update, very good info from the very best build I've seen. 👍
Howdy! The cabinets would have their own bottom panel.
Yes I work from inside my van and am running laptop in high power mode all day. Then gaming laptop at night. Plus AC, heat tape, 2 diesel heaters, electric cooktop…
I basically live the same way I live at home (which is part of my idea of the “perfect van”)
That being said, when I was a kid I used to camp in the back of my old SUV and had just as much fun. I think there are many ways to build an amazing exploration vehicle including what you’re planning on here!
You are the first person I've ever heard use #7. Seems like a no-brainer now that i think about it
Great Video, been following along through both vans. Its nice to see the other side of build videos come to fruition. Im on my third iteration of the same van and get it! Regarding the extendable heater hose, Ive had luck with flexible dryer hose. It doesnt melt. We used ours in sub zero temps this weekend to add a boost from the seat heater to the rear door drafts and it worked well. The flange you have with a foil and wire hose may be a good solution. Keep up the great content and thank you!
I’ll probably go through one of these too soon. Like you I built with 15 series, but I’m not so sure about swapping to 10 series. I’ll go through the reasoning in my video. I also gave a crazy battery and solar (1110 ah and 800 watts). Yes, a big alternator would be great! I am looking forward to seeing your 11 things you love. Mine will probably surprise people.
Amazing video, you have a lot of good pointers. Looking forward to the new van build.
Love the flooring covers. We have 2tec2 woven vinyl (which is what inhabit uses). The best floors!!!!
Great work Steve, I always learn and enjoy watching your videos !
regarding the second alternator... mine makes about 150-200 amps which is fantastic when driving however... when parked high idle on the main engine burns alot of fuel for the electricity generated. I carry a 3100 watt generator which can recharge my 1500 amp/hr battery in about 4-5 hr using only 2.5 gallon of fuel.
Thanks for sharing your real-world experience and reviews.
I have a 1680AH (12V, so 22kWh) of Lifepo4 batteries and 1300watts (4x335) of solar, and I also run low.
With cooking electric, 2 people in the van, starlink, etc I use about 4-5 kWh ( ~350Ah) of power per day, and on sunny days I can reach that. But in the winter period (about 4 months, November till february) I still need to recharge about once a week.
My hope for camper 3.0 of mine would be more solar. I am thinking about doing like a solar awning on the side of the camper, this can give you an extra few m2 of solar.
That was all great information. Thank you for sharing. 😊
Awesome info!
Thank you
at 2:40, you discuss using baltic birch. Is that opposed to the maple? I just watched your cabinet build video (which, holy...wow! I am so impressed with all the steps you explain!) So would you use baltic birch vs. the maple? Is that because the paint is coming off? That maple is so beautiful, I would love to just varnish it. But if it isn't holding up for other reasons, please tell!! :)
It’s a bit complicated but the pretty pre-finished maple was great … it was different than the maple I used for 90% of the cabinets (because it couldn’t be painted). If you’re going to leave the wood exposed … the pre-finished stuff is great! If not … I’d stick with Baltic birch
As to the air conditioning and heating, more insulation, that also lowers the power requirement of your van (electrical power for air conditioning). Also, don't use the flexible solar panels, they are extremely expensive and relatively low power. Just go for 'normal' panels (glass with aluminum edge)
You’re making me feel good about a lot of my van decisions! :) We have a second alternator and it’s great in winter when the solar panels are covered in snow and there’s little sun, though don’t expect to actually get 300 amps of charging. In my experience, the real world is much lower and it often fluctuates when idling, but it’s still great to have. We can run the van for 45 minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening and keep things topped off. Does your van have the second alternator bracket? If so, it’s only about $2500 and you can install yourself, I promise it’s easy. If you don’t have that bracket it gets more difficult but still do-able. $7k is crazy.
Pull the draw handle off, grind a bevel on the edges so stuff doesn't catch when moving past them and re-install.....
Great tips! I've noted down "inhabit floor covering." Regarding heating and AC, a small mini-split might be the answer. I've seen some of them running at 350W while cooling at 70°F.
Another great video, thank you for the update which is so helpful to anyone planning a build. Question, have you run into any situations where you wished you had a 144 with the better departure angle than the 170?
Thank you. Yea that was the cold truth right there. I appreciate that.
For your eletrical needs, I think you should consider if those flexible panels are working well. I prefer the glass ones, they don't get so hot, and the flex ones always underproduce. Actually, get a few large bifacial panels.
Love the flooring mats! I have marmoleum (which is awesome), but I love a rug on top. I have tried several to no avail. Def gonna check out the inhabit!
About never having to worry about running out of electricity, are there any stand-alone generators out there, that can be mounted under the vehicle? That way, you can always carry an extra jerrycan and can access extra power from diesel without having to idle the car.
Thank you.... good points!!
I appreciate your info you have one of the nicer builds that I followed
im finishing up my boil now and when I started I was =using your videos as reference. building a van is not for the faint of heart
I would say yes to using more 8020 10 series instead of 15 series. It's much lighter and one can use braces or rely on the ply panels to stiffen longer spans if needed. Another thing I did was switch to the 3395/3360 style fasteners. Much stronger, less expensive. and less prone to getting in the way of other things. They do require a small drill press, which you will more than pay for with the savings from omitting all the 4119/4302 corner brackets and hardware.
Great insights, thanks