Love my Laveo, complete game changer, I don't care what the cost is now that I don't have to hit the outhouse in the deep snow, heavy rain or when I get a bear between me and it.
@@mitercut Exactly. Or clean out, or dump, or deal with messy disgusting maintenance on your RV toilet. Convenience factor is a 10 with a dry flush. Also dealing with snow or a bear is a real possibility here in the backcountry of Montana
Per flush cost is peanuts compared to an rv + a tow vehicle. I'm old, behind times, and my wife and I over 70yrs old just want to drive across country. This is a game changer and I just lucked across this
@@joewest2560 Agreed. It is mostly a use case decision based on your specific needs. These probably wouldn’t work for a family with a couple kids or someone full timing in an RV. The cost would become an issue unless they had deep pockets and didn’t care. A single person or a couple that are taking limited duration trips. People that don’t mind taking advantage of public toilets when available to conserve their cassette/bag liners. We typically use one cassette or about 16-17 flushes in a typical 3 night outing. So less than $30 bucks a trip which as you pointed out is peanuts in the bigger scheme of things. The convenience factor and distasteful nature of dealing with dumping, maintenance, cleaning and handling human waste is well worth it in my opinion. It does make you appreciate the flush toilet in your home which along with sewers makes modern civilization possible. I think it was the Romans that developed the modern public sewer system and running water toilets used in their bath houses. And of course Sir John Harrington for inventing the first flush toilet and Thomas Crapper for perfecting it into what we currently use to this day. My hats off to these visionaries
For folks looking for a permanent or semipermanent installation, the Laveo is a better package: it looks and feels more like a traditional toilet and it stores the waste internally. But if the Wrappon is installed in a purpose built box (like the one made by Lost Hiway for example), and then its advantages over the Laveo shine through. There are no bulky cartridges that need to be stored. There is no long term storage of human waste, the individual bags can be disposed of whenever convenient.
Agree with your points 100%. The Trekker is slightly cheaper per flush and the thermo liner cartridge is much more compact to store an extra when traveling. To get the same amount of flushes as a Trekker roll with the Laveo you would need 3 of those bulky plastic cartridges. Not a big worry for me personally but throwing all those plastic cartridges in the dumpster doesn’t sit well with me or most people. The Swiss Clesana C1 toilet looks to be the best of both worlds. They use what looks to be a direct copy of the Wrappon sealing system and multi layered bags but package it in a more traditional form factor like the Laveo. It also has a feature that lets you select the bag size, smaller for a #1, larger for #2. The bags drop into an internal bin for storage until you empty it. The Clesana C1 sits right in the middle price wise at about $1200. I have never smelled anything funky from the bags the Trekker produces. The bags seem Odor proof as advertised. We will probably put the Trekker in the van build and the Laveo in our off grid hunting cabin
We just bought a van with the Laveo. It has been my choice for my 4-6 years of doing research. We are full time. Was wondering if you thought you could pee and use the powder several times before flushing? Just curious because I considered having a pee jug since I pee 4-6 times a day and didn't want a $8 cost per day.
@@mitchklann4995 A fair question. The actual capacity to hold whatever waste goes into the Laveo is determined more by the bucket holding the Mylar tube. In other words the bucket is the limiting factor. So doing a big #2 followed by a large amount of TP or doing multiple #1 followed with pee powder (which really expands) will fill the volume of the bucket container faster and limit the ability to use the toilet first rather than running out of Mylar liner. Does that make sense? That said we still use the toilet at least twice for #1s and sometimes three times depending. We noticed straight away that the bucket fills faster when doing that but have always been able to use the entire Mylar liner cartridge. It has come close to being near the top of the bucket which caused the last twist to not entirely engulf some of the TP that usually sits right on top of the deposits. A good practice is limit the pee powder using just the amount needed to absorb the liquid, so adjust for a large deposit vs a smaller deposit. We always use the Pee powder regardless of a #1 or 2. Using the Laveo over time you’ll get a better understanding of what will work best for your particular usage. I agree with you about a dedicated pee jug. Working out a solution there will definitely extend the Laveo’s cartridge. Not having to deal with dumping and cleaning has been the best part of owning these Dry Flush toilets. The cost has been more than acceptable to us because of how we use the toilet. We recently did a 3 day trip in the Sprinter and didn’t even use one full cartridge. That cartridge will sit in our Sprinter Lav until next trip with no worries about smell. The Trekker is used in our off grid cabin and has accumulated allot of use. Happy to report it’s been flawless so far
@SPQR-Z great feedback and thanks. Guess there isn't a way to cut along the seal to remove a portion of the waste so there is room for more. One advantage of the wrapon I guess. I figure even 2 people, each, 4 times a day, for half of the year it would be less than $2500. More than what I would like but also a small cost for convenience. Thanks again.
Personally I like the Trekker because you can dispose of the waste immediately. I dont want waste sitting in the toilet in case something malfunctions.
@@roslolian11 Yes that is nice about the Trekker. The individual packets are easier to handle and more convenient to dispose of. Will say we have never had any perceptible odor coming from the Laveo cassette and it’s been in the van weeks at a time. Being large disposing of the cassette is more problematic, because in most situations you really need a dumpster. Also not happy about all that plastic going in the landfill
@@apeyoutube7485 We now have some use with the Trekker sealing dry flush toilet system installed in our off-grid cabin. So far it’s been perfect and my wife prefers it over the Laveo. No odor or leaks from either and we like them both. I don’t see too much negative reviews for either of these toilets. Overall they both seem robust, reliable and live up to their manufacturer’s claims. The Laveo is now permanently mounted in our van and the Trekker is installed in our off grid cabin
If you’re referring to the Laveo Dry Flush you can buy one directly through the Manufacturer’s website: dry-flush.com. Also several big distributors like: ShopTinyHomes, Master-Overland, Nomadic Supply etc. The prices are all the same including Amazon. Perhaps you can catch a small discount or get free shipping. It’s heavy and large to ship so that savings may be significant
No problem happy to help. Okay I thought you were talking about the Laveo Dry Flush. The square silver toilet is the Trekker and is made by Wrappon company. I think they aren’t selling on Amazon at the moment. You can buy directly from Wrappon which is where I bought ours. Try WrapponUSA.com or their affiliate partner OK4WD.com. There are several other online distributors that sell Wrappon products that may or may not have them in stock and will order it for you then drop ship directly from Wrappon. But Wrappon USA and OK4WD always seem to have product in stock and can ship immediately. Both of these dry flush toilets are an excellent choice and have worked flawlessly in the time I’ve used them. I will post a follow up video once I have tested the Trekker toilet some more and also give some tips on getting the best from them. Also you can checkout some of the alternative toilets I mentioned at the end of the video. These are all dry flush toilets and may interest you. I understand your situation in researching the various options on the market. It’s an expensive purchase and you want to be sure you are getting the best toilet for money spent. Good luck.
@@SPQR-ZI’m looking for that china knock off one it was $399 but no longer available went so fast. Do you know where I can get that one it was white looked like it wasn’t as heavy as the trekker. I just liked it more was more sleek looking. The trekker with the metal just doesn’t have the real toilet cozy feel as white.
Having a single bag that can be disposed of immediately is huge, as opposed to having 15 poops sitting in your van until you have finished the entire bag system of the Laveo. However.... that depth of the front side of the trekker looks bad. No one wants to be draggin their ball bag n junk all over the plastic bag.
@@CC-kq8hf Yes the thought of having all that waste sitting in the Laveo’s internal big has a creepy ick factor. That said after months of use including letting half filled cassette bags sit in the toilet for weeks has never proven to be an odor source problem. It seems the main source of odor with the Laveo is people themselves accidentally making a bit of a mess, not cleaning it up straight away and it starting to stink. We have a some real world use with the Trekker now and like that you can dispose of the single use waste bags and not have to wait until the Laveo’s cassette is full to empty. The single bag is easier to dispose of in any trash can whereas the big bulky Laveo cassette you almost need a dumpster to get rid of it. You make a good point if junk on the Trekker. I usually push the liner down before using because it is near your junk and can cause some back splashes. Nothing bad but probably better safe then sorry
Americans are usually bigger than the rest of the population. How come none of these reviews address the actual size? Is it just me or it looks too small?
@@xyverjaze In general bigger people are not a good fit on your typical RV toilet. They are all on the smaller size to fit into much smaller bath areas in an RV. The Laveo is definitely a bit bigger and more like a home toilet in size and comfort with its residential style seat. The Trekker seems more compact but it’s somewhat deceiving because it measures out bigger where the rubber meets the road, so to speak. The toilet seat itself is hard and not as comfortable but personally this doesn’t bother me. Bottom line is both these toilets size/ergonomics will be fine for most people that are within the average size range. A few my larger sized friends (6ft+, 250lbs) have used our Laveo and loved it so I guess when you have to go the convenience wins out over small details
Hmm. Seems simpler and a ton cheaper to just use a biodegradable plastic bucket liner and coir...tie it up yourself . still no cleaning to do just dump in trash or composter.
Agreed, bucket/bag way way way cheaper as a matter of fact. These toilets are in fact just a fancier, more complicated and expensive version of what you just described. We used a Pett bag toilet for many years when tent camping and it was totally adequate. I did promise my wife a “flush” toilet in this van build so we now have that. Many ways to address the toilet situation. For some people a bucke/bag system, some it’s a full on home water flush toilet. Some people just a shovel, a hole dug and no toilet at all. I will add that on my last hunting trip all the people in our hunting party with shovels and buckets wanted to use my Laveo dry flush toilet lol
But these have the benefit of completely isolating the waste, so you never see it or smell it, and that's important for some people who are willing to pay for it.
The Laveo works for us. Two women (feminine hygiene products), cats litter, dog poop bag, beauty cotton, cleaning wipes, other residues... it all goes into the toilet. The "garbage" stays sealed and stored. Huge advantage. Perfectly protected. It's not always possible to be in Mairie and shovel 😂 or for the pets to do their business outside. We compost food leftovers. Not every city has places and to dispose of it. We do have a compost wet garbage as well. Laveo is working on biodegradable bags.
Love my Laveo, complete game changer, I don't care what the cost is now that I don't have to hit the outhouse in the deep snow, heavy rain or when I get a bear between me and it.
@@mitercut Exactly. Or clean out, or dump, or deal with messy disgusting maintenance on your RV toilet. Convenience factor is a 10 with a dry flush. Also dealing with snow or a bear is a real possibility here in the backcountry of Montana
Per flush cost is peanuts compared to an rv + a tow vehicle. I'm old, behind times, and my wife and I over 70yrs old just want to drive across country. This is a game changer and I just lucked across this
@@joewest2560 Agreed. It is mostly a use case decision based on your specific needs. These probably wouldn’t work for a family with a couple kids or someone full timing in an RV. The cost would become an issue unless they had deep pockets and didn’t care.
A single person or a couple that are taking limited duration trips. People that don’t mind taking advantage of public toilets when available to conserve their cassette/bag liners. We typically use one cassette or about 16-17 flushes in a typical 3 night outing. So less than $30 bucks a trip which as you pointed out is peanuts in the bigger scheme of things. The convenience factor and distasteful nature of dealing with dumping, maintenance, cleaning and handling human waste is well worth it in my opinion.
It does make you appreciate the flush toilet in your home which along with sewers makes modern civilization possible. I think it was the Romans that developed the modern public sewer system and running water toilets used in their bath houses. And of course Sir John Harrington for inventing the first flush toilet and Thomas Crapper for perfecting it into what we currently use to this day. My hats off to these visionaries
For folks looking for a permanent or semipermanent installation, the Laveo is a better package: it looks and feels more like a traditional toilet and it stores the waste internally. But if the Wrappon is installed in a purpose built box (like the one made by Lost Hiway for example), and then its advantages over the Laveo shine through. There are no bulky cartridges that need to be stored. There is no long term storage of human waste, the individual bags can be disposed of whenever convenient.
Agree with your points 100%. The Trekker is slightly cheaper per flush and the thermo liner cartridge is much more compact to store an extra when traveling. To get the same amount of flushes as a Trekker roll with the Laveo you would need 3 of those bulky plastic cartridges. Not a big worry for me personally but throwing all those plastic cartridges in the dumpster doesn’t sit well with me or most people. The Swiss Clesana C1 toilet looks to be the best of both worlds. They use what looks to be a direct copy of the Wrappon sealing system and multi layered bags but package it in a more traditional form factor like the Laveo. It also has a feature that lets you select the bag size, smaller for a #1, larger for #2. The bags drop into an internal bin for storage until you empty it. The Clesana C1 sits right in the middle price wise at about $1200. I have never smelled anything funky from the bags the Trekker produces. The bags seem Odor proof as advertised. We will probably put the Trekker in the van build and the Laveo in our off grid hunting cabin
I don’t want to do any dumping
@@boundariessetinstone5893
But if you take a dump, you'll be full of $hit then! 🤣
more hygienic to me than the other options out there where liquids sit in a
@@SPQR-Zcan you get the clesana in the USA?
We just bought a van with the Laveo. It has been my choice for my 4-6 years of doing research. We are full time. Was wondering if you thought you could pee and use the powder several times before flushing? Just curious because I considered having a pee jug since I pee 4-6 times a day and didn't want a $8 cost per day.
@@mitchklann4995 A fair question. The actual capacity to hold whatever waste goes into the Laveo is determined more by the bucket holding the Mylar tube. In other words the bucket is the limiting factor. So doing a big #2 followed by a large amount of TP or doing multiple #1 followed with pee powder (which really expands) will fill the volume of the bucket container faster and limit the ability to use the toilet first rather than running out of Mylar liner. Does that make sense?
That said we still use the toilet at least twice for #1s and sometimes three times depending. We noticed straight away that the bucket fills faster when doing that but have always been able to use the entire Mylar liner cartridge. It has come close to being near the top of the bucket which caused the last twist to not entirely engulf some of the TP that usually sits right on top of the deposits. A good practice is limit the pee powder using just the amount needed to absorb the liquid, so adjust for a large deposit vs a smaller deposit. We always use the Pee powder regardless of a #1 or 2. Using the Laveo over time you’ll get a better understanding of what will work best for your particular usage. I agree with you about a dedicated pee jug. Working out a solution there will definitely extend the Laveo’s cartridge.
Not having to deal with dumping and cleaning has been the best part of owning these Dry Flush toilets. The cost has been more than acceptable to us because of how we use the toilet. We recently did a 3 day trip in the Sprinter and didn’t even use one full cartridge. That cartridge will sit in our Sprinter Lav until next trip with no worries about smell. The Trekker is used in our off grid cabin and has accumulated allot of use. Happy to report it’s been flawless so far
@SPQR-Z great feedback and thanks. Guess there isn't a way to cut along the seal to remove a portion of the waste so there is room for more. One advantage of the wrapon I guess. I figure even 2 people, each, 4 times a day, for half of the year it would be less than $2500. More than what I would like but also a small cost for convenience. Thanks again.
Thank you for sharing
@@TheMalibuHobo Much welcome. Hopes this helps with your toilet options research
Personally I like the Trekker because you can dispose of the waste immediately. I dont want waste sitting in the toilet in case something malfunctions.
@@roslolian11 Yes that is nice about the Trekker. The individual packets are easier to handle and more convenient to dispose of. Will say we have never had any perceptible odor coming from the Laveo cassette and it’s been in the van weeks at a time. Being large disposing of the cassette is more problematic, because in most situations you really need a dumpster. Also not happy about all that plastic going in the landfill
This. Even if just using a diaper genie for the single bags with number one to me seems more sanitary.
@@apeyoutube7485 We now have some use with the Trekker sealing dry flush toilet system installed in our off-grid cabin. So far it’s been perfect and my wife prefers it over the Laveo. No odor or leaks from either and we like them both. I don’t see too much negative reviews for either of these toilets. Overall they both seem robust, reliable and live up to their manufacturer’s claims. The Laveo is now permanently mounted in our van and the Trekker is installed in our off grid cabin
Good video.
The one on the right it’s the one I saved to Amazon cart 3 months ago and already unavailable any ideas how to get this kind somewhere else.
If you’re referring to the Laveo Dry Flush you can buy one directly through the Manufacturer’s website: dry-flush.com. Also several big distributors like: ShopTinyHomes, Master-Overland, Nomadic Supply etc. The prices are all the same including Amazon. Perhaps you can catch a small discount or get free shipping. It’s heavy and large to ship so that savings may be significant
@@SPQR-ZOh ok thank you so very much the one on Amazon is unavailable now so fast it went unavailable.
@@SPQR-ZSorry to bother you again but I don’t see the trekker kind on any of these websites only the other kind.
No problem happy to help. Okay I thought you were talking about the Laveo Dry Flush.
The square silver toilet is the Trekker and is made by Wrappon company. I think they aren’t selling on Amazon at the moment. You can buy directly from Wrappon which is where I bought ours. Try WrapponUSA.com or their affiliate partner OK4WD.com. There are several other online distributors that sell Wrappon products that may or may not have them in stock and will order it for you then drop ship directly from Wrappon. But Wrappon USA and OK4WD always seem to have product in stock and can ship immediately.
Both of these dry flush toilets are an excellent choice and have worked flawlessly in the time I’ve used them. I will post a follow up video once I have tested the Trekker toilet some more and also give some tips on getting the best from them. Also you can checkout some of the alternative toilets I mentioned at the end of the video. These are all dry flush toilets and may interest you. I understand your situation in researching the various options on the market. It’s an expensive purchase and you want to be sure you are getting the best toilet for money spent. Good luck.
@@SPQR-ZI’m looking for that china knock off one it was $399 but no longer available went so fast. Do you know where I can get that one it was white looked like it wasn’t as heavy as the trekker. I just liked it more was more sleek looking. The trekker with the metal just doesn’t have the real toilet cozy feel as white.
Having a single bag that can be disposed of immediately is huge, as opposed to having 15 poops sitting in your van until you have finished the entire bag system of the Laveo. However.... that depth of the front side of the trekker looks bad. No one wants to be draggin their ball bag n junk all over the plastic bag.
@@CC-kq8hf Yes the thought of having all that waste sitting in the Laveo’s internal big has a creepy ick factor. That said after months of use including letting half filled cassette bags sit in the toilet for weeks has never proven to be an odor source problem. It seems the main source of odor with the Laveo is people themselves accidentally making a bit of a mess, not cleaning it up straight away and it starting to stink.
We have a some real world use with the Trekker now and like that you can dispose of the single use waste bags and not have to wait until the Laveo’s cassette is full to empty. The single bag is easier to dispose of in any trash can whereas the big bulky Laveo cassette you almost need a dumpster to get rid of it. You make a good point if junk on the Trekker. I usually push the liner down before using because it is near your junk and can cause some back splashes. Nothing bad but probably better safe then sorry
Americans are usually bigger than the rest of the population. How come none of these reviews address the actual size? Is it just me or it looks too small?
@@xyverjaze In general bigger people are not a good fit on your typical RV toilet. They are all on the smaller size to fit into much smaller bath areas in an RV. The Laveo is definitely a bit bigger and more like a home toilet in size and comfort with its residential style seat. The Trekker seems more compact but it’s somewhat deceiving because it measures out bigger where the rubber meets the road, so to speak. The toilet seat itself is hard and not as comfortable but personally this doesn’t bother me. Bottom line is both these toilets size/ergonomics will be fine for most people that are within the average size range. A few my larger sized friends (6ft+, 250lbs) have used our Laveo and loved it so I guess when you have to go the convenience wins out over small details
It's not small at all. Unless you do weight 200kgs that is.
It is a good observation for a market segment on the larger size.
Hmm. Seems simpler and a ton cheaper to just use a biodegradable plastic bucket liner and coir...tie it up yourself . still no cleaning to do just dump in trash or composter.
Agreed, bucket/bag way way way cheaper as a matter of fact. These toilets are in fact just a fancier, more complicated and expensive version of what you just described. We used a Pett bag toilet for many years when tent camping and it was totally adequate. I did promise my wife a “flush” toilet in this van build so we now have that. Many ways to address the toilet situation. For some people a bucke/bag system, some it’s a full on home water flush toilet. Some people just a shovel, a hole dug and no toilet at all. I will add that on my last hunting trip all the people in our hunting party with shovels and buckets wanted to use my Laveo dry flush toilet lol
When you are talking I can't help but think this video should be about 50% shorter.
But these have the benefit of completely isolating the waste, so you never see it or smell it, and that's important for some people who are willing to pay for it.
Not fun or fresh
The Laveo works for us. Two women (feminine hygiene products), cats litter, dog poop bag, beauty cotton, cleaning wipes, other residues... it all goes into the toilet. The "garbage" stays sealed and stored. Huge advantage. Perfectly protected. It's not always possible to be in Mairie and shovel 😂 or for the pets to do their business outside. We compost food leftovers. Not every city has places and to dispose of it. We do have a compost wet garbage as well. Laveo is working on biodegradable bags.