Shoe Talk Thursdays - Hoka Speedgoat 4 & Speedgoat 4 Wide (In-Depth Review)
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- Опубліковано 15 січ 2020
- In this review, we're talking about the latest Hoka Speedgoat 4 and the Speedgoat WIDE as well! We think they're pretty much the same shoe, but aware the wide version is wide throughout the ENTIRE SHOE, not just the toe box area. Have you tried these on... what are YOUR thoughts on them?
Being in running specialty, our insight on the products are a little different because not only do we RUN in the shoes, we also SELL these shoes to our customers. We thoroughly fit people for shoes. So instead of having one person's feedback it's kind of like speaking for a community of people who were all interested in the same shoe. Good and bad feedback, we tell it all!
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Really pumped you guys are back on the reviews!
Good to see you posting again. I was already getting worried. Happy running greetings from Denmark.
This is such a great review. You provided exactly the information I was looking for. Thankyou!
The most serious reviews as always. Thank you!
Oh, snap. We'll try to smile more....
As always a very informative review. Tells you the stuff you want to know.
Thanks, Peter!
Truly impressed on the quality of your reviews!
Thank you, Travis!!
Finally you’re back guys!
Great in-depth review! Just ordered them.
Best running shoe reviews hands down. Honest and detailed critiques with no bullshit.
Thanks, Will!
Good review, with useful detail. Thank ypu.
A great review as always, can’t wait to get them here in Sweden. Thanks
Good luck - and thanks for tuning in from a different time zone!! :)
such a objective review...awsome job
Great review thanks!
Great to see a new video
Thanks, Drew! We appreciate you watching!
Hello; I started the trail (easy) at 61 and immediately tested this wide model, they are comfortable, I had a hallus valgus operation a few years ago and I don't suffer from it. I manage to progress and I am delighted.
Most people with a wide forefoot, has a normal with heel !
Great error Hoka !!!
Great breakdown
Picked these up a little bit ago. Only about 10 miles on them. 1st trail shoe but a Hoka fan. Enjoying the ground grip for sure. Solid review! Keep it up.
Thanks Matt! Keep running!
So good review! Thx!
Great detail thanks!
Thanks for the great review. Very useful.
Thanks, James!
Ordered mine in “wide” today. Great Review! 🇺🇸
Thanks for this very detailed and insightful review of Speedgoat 4 Reg and Wides. The part where you mention 'wide throughout the shoe' and adding that the heel area being wider was very helpful!
Right on, Jin! So happy you found the info you were looking for!
I've just completed my first run in these... I've got very wide forefeet with a very narrow heel and ankle....I don't think they run wide at the back... at all...
They fit me great ! No issue in locking down the foot what so ever : Great shoe..love 'm
Patrick Nieuwenhuizen did you buy true to size or half size up on the wide version? I’m used to going 1/2 size up for the extra toe box width & accommodating foot swelling, but I’m not sure with these. The talk in the video of a “wider heel & midfoot” has me hesitant.
@@speedwolf5212 Hey,
Didn't size up...I have these in 43 1/3... for comparison: I wear Nike in 44 and Adidas in 43 1/3...
Recently Altra Torin 3,5 in a size 43,5 (running on the small side ) and Altra Olympus 3,5 in a 44,5...Nice and roomy toebox. All EU sizing obviously....
Ciao complimenti per la recensione,basandomi sulle tue indicazioni ho preso la versione
in Goretex e mi trovo benissimo, sono scarpe fantastiche!!!!!!
Bravissimo. Un saluto da Carrè, Italy.
Just found your Chanel great review and very in-depth where it matters glad to subscribe 👍
Awesome, thank you!
Very good channel for T and all runners...applicable Info to what we want to know.
Oh and yeah an informative review. Many thanks.
Glad you liked it, Nicholas! Thank you!
Thank you for this review.
I just bought this shoe today and I’m loving it so far. If my opinion changes, I’ll come back & edit my comment.
Thank you for watching! We won't hold our breath...its a pretty solid shoe! :)
Just got this speedgoat 4 have to say even more comfort than the bondi 6 love it def getting more colors soon!.
Great video! Thank you!
Thank you, Russell!
Nathan, thank you so much for your awesome and so in depth shoe reviews. I find them way more informational than that ginger runner fellar. Just wanted to say I really appreciate your content. Thanks again.
Thanks so much, Tim! We're definitely not trying to compete with ol' GR...this is a job for him, and he has a brand to protect. :) We're just putting our thoughts out there to the world when we have some down time and are really excited you find some value in them. Thanks again!
I would suggest pulling the insoles out and comparing them .. in fact do this for all reviews where you compare previous models or between brands - there is a lot to be learned from the quality and shape of the insole. Great review - maybe throw in the EVO as well
Thanks for the comments and suggestion, gosekinz! When we see a significant difference between insoles or think there is something worth commenting on, we always make an effort to do so. Certainly shoe designers make insole choices for comfort, performance, price and even marketing reasons, and if we feel like it is an odd choice or contributes positively or negatively to our overall impression of the shoe, we'll be sure to call it out. In cases where there is not a significant change or it is similar to other comparable products, we may leave it out. In the case of the Speedgoat, we didn't feel it was a differentiator...as far as we can tell it's the same quality Ortholite insole across the line (SG3, SG4, SG4 Wide, EVO) and while we've never had an issue with it, it's never really jumped out at us. We DO measure characteristics like drop, stack height, etc with the insole OUT, so I guess in a sense we do take variation into account as well. We hope that helps - thanks again for the great suggestion, and we'll keep it in mind for future reviews!
Yay! A new review! I love your reviews and how thorough they are. Thanks for that. I'd love to know your thoughts on the new Topo Zephyr and Altra Timp 2.
Right on, Amber! We'll have those both out as soon as possible! We've already gone to work on the Zephyr, and the Timp just arrived last week. We're on it - THANKS!
Great review & love the comparison vs speedgoat 3. Not a bad trail shoe, but one of the last id choose for technical mountain trails. The grip isnt that great either, lugs seem somewhat ineffective compared to say La Sportiva Bushido or salomon S-lab ultra or speed cross.
Mine took 80km to break in & the inner sole has never felt 100% right, nonetheless a comfortable trail shoe for long runs & less technical ultras.
Theses are giant in the hiking community right now
Thank for great review,
Is the upper on the Evo Speedgoat more flexible than the SG4 through midfoot?
Suggestion for next review: Altra Timp 2.0
Thanks, Matt! We JUST got our pair (no pre-production samples for us...we're running and testing production shoes!) and are looking forward to logging the miles. Give us a couple of weeks to get dirty and we'll be sure to post our thoughts!
Nice review. Havent see yall in awhile. You gonna review the new topos?
Thanks, Josh! You can start holding your breath now...Topos will be out after just a couple of other reviews!
Nathan, hi
I am a big fan of these reviews. Found it really interesting that you measured the heel to toe drop on the SG4s as 6 mm. Because I have had constant front foot pain since switching to them. I love the ground feel, the comfort etc but I do not get this foot pain in the SG3s. Is there even a possibility that the orange colour wave is a higher heel to toe drop than the other colours (e.g. if each colour wave is made at a different factory)? Because I also have the men's orange that you show in the review. Would you be willing to measure the heel to toe drop in a different colour? Just curious....
I just got a pair and they are weird lol. But really really comfy. And I didn't have knee pain after a 10mileish hike. i put some silicone laces on it and much better too. they don't hold moisture and are tons more comfy on the top of your foot.
Can you review the new Salomon Sense Ride 3 and Sense 4 Pro?
Thanks for the review! I'm interested in this one or shoes, I'm not a runner, but I'm on my feet all day, on concrete. The only time I sit is on my lunch break. So are these gonna be good for that?
Great informative reviews. Have you got any idea if/when Hoka will release the EVO Speedgoat 4 in a ‘wide’ fit also?
Hi Russ! We don't see this coming in the near future...ie. We wouldn't hold our breath. Sorry!
The Ultra Running Company Thanks for the response guys, nevermind. If you’re listening Hoka, you’ve got one buyer here.
I like the version 3 and will switch to 4 soon. Could you review adidas adios5 in light of potential ban of carbon plates?
Right on, Harm! We are also interested in the impact of different design aspects (like carbon plates), but at this point the Adios, with it's 10mm heel-to-toe offset, is not likely a product we'll be spending much time in. We're not sure why companies add so much additional heel cushion, especially into shoes designed to "go fast". While there are certainly folks who can run efficiently in them, most of the folks here at URC aren't clocking 2:20 or better marathons and at slower paces the heel really gets in the way of our landing under our body as we'd like to. Here's an overview of our philosophy, if you have a minute (or 10...) to check it out: bit.ly/URCReviews. Thanks again for tuning in and commenting - we appreciate it!
Very nice review, except for the statemof the wide shoes to be wide, actually it almost no difference at all compared to the regular ones. Unfortunately.
I wonder what kind of a foot Hoka design their shoes for when it comes to width.
That's a fantastic review!
However, no matter extra size I am trying, the side of my big toe is always touching a bit on the side of the toe box. Are they going to break in or is that model not made for me?
i had the idea that vibram megagrip was not as durable as other more generic outsole
Maybe you can measure the width of the outsole of the 2 versions? I believe the midsole and outsole is exactly the same, just that the upper is looser and has more volume. Wouldn't make sense for them to make new molds and production lines just to add 2mm for the wide version...
Thanks, who dis! It may be hard to believe, but when HOKA says they're making a wide shoe, they're being serious about it. In the case of the Speedgoat 4, we measure the outsole as ~3mm wider at the widest point (M10 = 120mm vs. 123mm). While we don't have the ability to measure inside the shoe where our foot would actually sit (not even sure what tool we'd use short of cutting off the upper), we see no reason to imagine it would be any different. Great question, and thanks for keeping us honest!
@@TheUltraRunningCompany Thanks for the info!
Looking for a shoe with good grip on slick rocks, sounds like this might be an option. Do you have any other recommendations?
That narrow toe box in combination with the agressive taper is ridiculous.
Shops are marking down the SG3 $30 than the 4. Any advice?
Can you use these for HIIT training, sprinting, running on road? Like if I go to the gym a lot and like doing sprints in addition to long runs.
Picked up the Speedgoat 4 wide to fit my duck shaped feet, can see what you mean about the wideness all the way back to the heel. Feel I need to work to lock the heel in. Thicker socks help too.
What size? Did you need to size up?
Great review, how is the fit of *SG4 Wide* compared to *Challenger ATR 5 normal width*? The Challenger 5s are roomy and comfortable, but they're road-to-trail shoes, and traction isn't the greatest, would love to upgrade to Vibram Megagrip.
Thanks, Reza! Great question - we'll take a swing at it: The Challenger is *slightly* more accommodating in the toe box by design vs the Speedgoat, meaning that the front 1/4 or so of the shoe fits slightly wider in our experience. The "wide" version of the SG makes it slightly wider through the heel, instep and towards the metatarsals (just below where the toes connect to the rest of the foot). SO...if your fit concern is in the toes, we're not 100% sure the SG Wide will be a better solution. If its throughout the foot, then the SG Wide *would* be a better solution. For us, the hierarchy would go like this (dialed-in ---> accommodating): Speedgoat, Challenger ATR, Speedgoat Wide, Challenger Wide. We hope that helps! Also: we do love us some MegaGrip. :)
@@TheUltraRunningCompany aww thanks for the great answer :( I do need secure midfoot lockdown and but toebox should be wide! I also own Altra timps , great fit, but outsole rubber is questionable on wet rocks.
Hi, Whats better option mafate speed 3 or speedgoat 4 for hiking with wet rocks?
Planning to buy this for Christmas .. should i buy it or not? im a newbie trail runner wannabee ..
How r these shoes in winter time where it's slowy etc?? I would love to buy a shoe for my gf thats comfortable in the winter times, so she doesnt slide around and still feel comfort.
Hey, is there a good Hoka trail shoe that works for a more square-at-the-top foot?
HI, I am trying out the speedgoat 4 Gore Tex in the UK and i am torn between sizes, over here they do a 12.5 and then jump to the 13.5 (no 13) trying round the house I have a lot of room in the 13.5 but feel comfy, the 12.5 fits ok but does feel a bit restrictive in the mid foot. my fear is the 13.5 is a bit too big, where do you find your big toe comes in these hokas as a guide as i dont want to risk it for an expensive shoe
Is the forefoot similar to the Clifton 7 in width?
Hi, did you mean the shoe is 2mm wider, or 2cm wider -2mm seems like nothing?
Fantastic review. Would this shoe work as just a general daily shoe too?
Hi Austin! We know folks who wear trail shoes daily (lots of Salomon Speedcross at the mall...), so these would be a comfortable alternative. They are pretty aggressive, though and something else from HOKA like the Bondi or Clifton may be better unless you're continually on broken surfaces (construction, fields, etc). :) Enjoy!
@@TheUltraRunningCompany than you
Do you all provide a 4e wide trail shioe
Can I ask, would you recommend to stay true to size, or shall I get a half size up??
We'd suggest staying true to size, unless you have a wide forefoot. This shoe has a pretty decent taper to it, so if your foot is a bit squarer than pointy it may be in your best interest to leave a little more room and go up half a size. :)
is there a Speedgoat 4 Evo? I'm in NZ so can't get them "in store" at all?
The EVO is based on the Speedgoat form used for both the 3 & 4, so it is identical for both shoes. The changes made between the 3 & 4 were primarily in the upper, and the EVO does not share an upper with either shoe...so it was unaffected when they updated the versions. :)
How’s the cushion?
Fit true to size?
I read Hoka is discontinuing The Bondi's . Is Hoka going out of business ??
Hi Chaba49. The new Bondi 7 is expected to be released on August 1, 2020. And no, the fastest growing running shoe company in the country for each of the past 8 years does not appear to be going out of business.
Where does the Evo Speedgoat fit in with the Speedgoat 4 and Speedgoat 4 wide as far as width is concerned. Tried the Torrent 2 they fit my wide feet well. Want to try the Speedgoat but not sure what size to get. Heard the Evo speedgoat has a nice fit.
Hi John. Our guess is the EVO would fit you well - we think its the "Goldilocks" of the model. It is NOT a wide, but the toe box is more accommodating - as far as we can tell because they've loosened the taper just a touch when applying the MATRIX upper and the lower tongue (spandex-type) material. If the Torrent 2 fits you well, that's a good sign...that shoe has a more rounded toe box than many trail shoes and is a pretty solid indicator of how the EVO would fit. The WIDE is wide throughout, which makes it a little sloppy in really technical terrain if you DON'T have a wide foot. For us, the taper on the standard Speedgoat is just slightly *too* aggressive, leading to almost immediate (OK, for us that means in the FIRST 50k...) blisters unless you have a really pointy foot. We hope that helps!
@@TheUltraRunningCompany very helpful thank you.
So I got the shoes today. First run I found them almost too soft underfoot. My feet aches and there was very little springback. I'm a heavy guy 104kg. I just feel like I sink in and their is no energy return. Really disappointed my feet got sore and dead. It was almost like running on sand it sapped my legs. Does it get better or is it likely these just don't suit my running?
So it will make me taller...SWEET
I've been using the speedgoat 4 less than a month and try it twice time, but unfortunately my fore foot rubber on the upper was pelling off, I don't know if it just some issues that I get from my pair of shoes, but I think the upper part of this shoe especially on the fore foot need to be stiching and not just sticking on it with glue, or just remove the rubber part on the forefoot because it has no function at all and just make annoying if it don't strong enough sticking.
Dwi Priyatmoko was that regular or wide ?
@@morganflockhart5825 the wide version, but I just got an exchange with a new one from store. I think the upper fore foot design is better on Speedgoat Evo or the EVO Mafate 2
Dwi Priyatmoko No there’s a problem with the 4 Wide only I’ve had it on two pairs I think Hoka are aware of this now same spot !
Mine did the same thing on my first run lol
Why Hoka making them wide all over? It's just the toes we need wide on.
Need some help
These or the ATR 5s ?
I would go ATR 5 depending on your needs. The reason is because of the durability. I hear about major issues with durability on the new Speedgoats (look it up). I like the Stinson ATR, but it is a bit heavy. I don't mind some weight, it supplies great cushion and I am not a podium finishing speed guy (I am a slow ultramarathon guy). But after a lot of research, I am going to go for the Altra Olympus 4.0 when it is released. I suggest giving it a look. A bold move for me, as I only really run in Hokas, but their current trail lineup is lacking for me. Hoka road shoes are king right now, though.
@@RealRyanSecord Thanks for the informative response. I went ahead with the SG 4s as the price they had them on sale for was cheaper than the Challenger ATR 5s. Only time will tell if this was the correct choice in terms of longevity/durability etc
@@migatron1 If you don't mind the fit of the Speedgoat (I find the toebox to be less comfortable than other Hokas), the only issue you will find is that the "weatherproofing" on the Speedgoat 4 toebox tends to become delaminated where the toe box creases as you bend your toes. From what I understand, this is cosmetic in nature, but could be best solved by trimming the torn or excess peeling with a razor blade before the peeling spreads. Google this issue to see what I am talking about. Additionally, a more troubling issue is the "strip" in the center of the toe box where the laces meet becomes detached on some shoes. You may not have these issues, but if you do, you are not alone. The outsole and midsole on the Speedgoat 4 is a solid 9/10, though.
thats why you dont run on your heels first...
"Let's dive in. Swim around a bit. Get out. Then dive in again." 0:45 - 1:00
vI Brum
Why would someone buy this over the EVO Speedgoat?
Budget and colorway choices.
Wide version not available in EVO
He downgrades the shoe from almost fantastic to very nice in .3 seconds. 12:52