Bobby Fischer was STRONG!
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"I hate chess" - Bobby Fischer
And Jews
don't we all
@@elasmojones 😂😂
@@kovy689 not many will say it out loud, but...
@@elasmojones what's to enjoy about chess? Even after 10 hrs superGMs won't think of moves that computers give. They just play it because the computer says so. Chess sounds like the most boring game in the world.
I think shogi is like this do but at least they have a very low draw rate. Lol.
Magnus Carlsen sucks. Wesley So rules. Chess sucks. 9LX rules. Garry Kasparov sucks. Bobby Fischer rules.
Magnus cheated Alireza Danya and Nepo.
Garry cheated Judit.
He got there without engines, or without any outside help for that matter. He was self taught and only had his own notes and chessboard to learn from.
What are you doing here you ?! Didn't expect feh youtuber to be here.
I mean no1 else had engines as well at that time which makes it kind of an irrelevant point. Not to take away from this incredible achievement tho, Fischer was a monster, way ahead of his time.
There was this ground breaking technology called books, which were published back then. Bobby had mentioned he heavily relied on chess books in multiple interviews.
@@bhough410good point I also heard Fischer did Much reading up about Chess as well I’m sure that aided his Game too
You’re not making the point you think you are because nobody had engines.
Bobby Fischer studied chess constantly. He was a genius, a workaholic and a man obsessed with being the best. That is a deadly combination of qualities.
Most kids can't learn conversational Spanish for a grade, and Bobby was out here teaching himself Russian to read chess books
Bobby fischer was a idiot he actually thought the jews secretly controlled the world from the shadows. what a nutjob lamo.
No it’s not deadly. You’ve been brainwashed to believe Bobby fisher was crazy. He was never crazy, he was driven to a point of extreme stress and frustration. ANY HUMAN BEING PUT UNDER ENOUGH PRESSURE CAN BE DRIVEN TO STRESS AND FRUSTRATION. Show me one time Bobby lied. Stop trying to sound smart.
Capablanca had the greatest talent for the game, Fischer was obessed with chess like no one else and that's why he was so strong. Same story with Kasparov.
he was very talented
One has to wonder just how good a lot of these modern players would be without computers and chess engines... something Fisher didn't have. 💡
Right!! I wonder about that all the time
Bobby has an ELO of 2895. Fide has calculated this by taking into account all of his games before elo was invented.
Bobby was literally the stronges chess player in existence
@@larochejaquelein3680 perhaps it's the reason Magnus wants to cross 2900
@@larochejaquelein3680 Any references for this?
@@Holfast1000 ‘Trust me bro’
It's hard to imagine how good he was if he had the engines and computer analysis we have now....he was studying games from a book and had to set all the pieces up by hand
EVERYONE was studying with books
Same thing its not only for fischer
@@markrobertson3054 Then everyone, including Fischer, would be better player with engines. Your point?
@@professorx3060 His rating would have actually been lower in a computer age without the current rating inflation. More knowledge and theory just makes it harder to win at the highest level. This doesn't take away from how good he actually was, but the engine arguments never really made any sense.
@@Arejay12 how come you become more knowledgeable in chess it makes you harder to win, what are you talking about 🤣🤣,fischer study chess on his own and limited materials like books etc, Its crap comparing to this modern age studying ideas using engine. I cant imagine how good fischer if he lives in this era and has acces this kind of technology,Engine and etc.
@@sergioalonso6525 Draws at high level chess have gone up as engines & more information has become available. You somehow think Fischer is above this trend? Even Fischer himself complained about the increase in theory as he got older. He knew chess was becoming more about memorization than creativity.
All his competitors are getting access to more knowledge as well.... You think openings being more stable and solid would lead to more decisive games?
That's some backwards logic.
Fischer to me was the greatest chess player ever. The Russians dominated the game, there was nobody who was even close to as good as them. And here comes this American kid with nothing to lose. Somehow beat so many minds working together to defeat just him, and not only did he defeat them, he obliterated them until there was no dispute who the best player of his time was. I can’t even fathom how someone like him exists. The only person who’s even comparable to Fischer is morphy, and morphy played in a time where it’s hard to evaluate the strength of players bc of how different the game was. Fischer was so far ahead of everyone else with literally an entire country of chess gms all comparing notes working against him. We will never see it again
Yes man, I am a huge fan of him too, but it is not fair to say that since he never had a professional match against Garry Kasparov or Anatoliy Karpov. He is a legend, but we will never know who was the real world champion of that generation.
@@melisbelekov Karpov and Kasparov were really next generation after Fischer and Spassky... Fischer dominated his generation and dissapeared due to both mental issues and starting to hate chess
Fischer is overrated.
@@Nyxyz999 ooooo cry some more baby
@@Nyxyz999yes and anything else of your lame opinions?
It's like inflation but for chess 😂
It is, inflation is not always about money you know
@@Pwnz0rh3nk so I'm right, thank you for the clarification sir 🤓
@@Pwnz0rh3nk ackshully
Chess rating inflations happened around in the 80s, so it didn't add up for Fisher
@@Pwnz0rh3nkI get what he meant, the but is confusing. It really sounds like you think inflation is only usable as term with money
Bobby Fischer was the best! I especially loved his broadcasts!
And his politics
@@oke497 heckin based!
This should be reminded every day!
Bobby didn't have anyone to increase his rating upon 💀
his rating was BEFORE FIDE OFFICIAL RATINGS.
De-facto he was only 1 year official number 1975.
Check it out:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIDE_chess_world_number_ones
And look at Karpov. My god would that have been an epic match at the time.
Fischer dodge it 😂 Fischer is great player but he's 🐓
@@muhamadfadli8486 lol no. FIDE not Bobby Fischer was the 🐔🐓. It's the same as in 2022. Magnus sucks. Wesley So rules.
Bobby Fischer would consider Wesley So more of a world champion than Magnus Carlsen or Hikaru Nakamura.
(HUGE UPDATE: See zs4zpf how Magnus has something against JEWS more than Americans.)
What do Daniil Dubov & Hikaru Nakamura have in common? Both betray their country for Magnus.
6 parts:
PartI. Bobby Fischer agrees.
PartII. Magnus, unlike ASH KETCHUM, was never the world champion.
PartIII. Talent
PartIV. Magnus is a coward
PartV. Magnus cheated 3x
PartVI. More on talent and then Hans Niemann
PartI.
Bobby Fischer agrees with me.
Bobby would side with Hans & Wesley So over Magnus & Hikaru even if e wouldn't like the US government today. I guess Magnus is the reverse: no political opinion on the US but has something against American players, as Magnus ADMITTED IN A PODCAST (see yev3a1 ).
Now, Daniil & Hikaru are traitors not for Norway but for Magnus. As Nepo pointed out, Norway is 'not a chess country'. Norway was never the villain. Magnus is the villain. (But is not a supervillain like Hans Niemann. cf Megamind.)
- Daniil betrays Russia by helping Magnus over Sergey & Nepo in 2021 WCC.
- Hikaru betrays the US by siding with Magnus over Hans.
Anyway:
When Wesley So or Bobby Fischer accuse people of cheating, we LISTEN.
When Magnus Carlsen accuses, we LAUGH.
Magnus is a cheater too eg against (more in partV)
- Alireza 2019,
- Danya 2021 Dec AND 2022 Jan
- Nepo 2021.
PartII.
Why betray your country for Magnus, who, unlike ASH KETCHUM, was never the WC?
Wesley So is the inaugural CLASSICAL WC and has been from 2019 to PRESENT and has NEVER LOST a classical game.
What a joke of a so-called WC in Iceland. Congrats to Hikaru who became the FAST RAPID WC. Wesley So won really in CLASSICAL not just SLOW RAPID because the time controls were 45+15=60min! Note: Everyone who won the classical portion in the 2019 WFRCC also won their match, i.e. no one caught up in the lower time controls.
Don't believe FIDE when they also tell you 25min-for-30moves + afterwards 5min+5sec increment is slow rapid. It is FAST RAPID because it is only 32.5 min < 35 min, the midpoint between 10min and 60min!
Wesley So did not lose the title to Hikaru, like how Bobby never lost the title to Anatoly Karpov because the conditions FIDE gave that were unfavourable for the AMERICANS Bobby and Wesley So.
Does FIDE have something against Americans? (They had only 1 non-European president, a Filipino/Filipina/Philippine.)
There's FIFA uncovered. Where's FIDE uncovered?
Wesley So previously faced corruption as a Philippine citizen from Prospero Pichay & NCFP (see: 0J3K-3_xCzY ) and now faces corruption as a US citizen from Magnus & FIDE.
PartIII.
Talent
Magnus is the best currently, but Wesley So has been the most talented since latest 2019. Magnus lost 4-0, actually 13.5-2.5, to Wesley So in 2019. Then Magnus lost 3-1 to Nepo in 2022 and thus indirectly lost 3-1 to Hikaru. LOL.
'Talent' is how good you are when there's no theory.
Chess = great = a combination of theory and talent
9LX = pure talent
Looks like Magnus is good only for openings. Turns out Magnus is a talentless patzer who crumbles without opening prep. PATHETIC.
Note: Patzer means extremely good at openings but sucks at middlegames or endgames.
So much for greatest endgame player of all time ey?
Anyhoo, Magnus is maybe 1 of the GOATs but THE GOAT?! Please. How can you be THE GOAT when you're TALENTLESS?
2nd place in the 2019 WC was PATHETIC for a 4x WCC, later 5x WCC. And then in 2022 Magnus wasn't even 2nd place. LOL!
9LX removes openings, so Magnus should be STRONGER not LESS STRONG. Yet in 2019 Magnus lost 13.5-2.5 to Wesley So and didn't get a single win. Why?!?!?!!!!
And look now in 2022 Magnus lost 3-1 to Nepo despite beating Nepo 4-0 in the 2021 WCC (where Magnus cheated against Nepo). And of course consequently Magnus indirectly lost 3-1 to Hikaru. Also, Magnus should be better in rapid than classical re Sergey 2016 and Fabi 2018...yet Magnus was only 2nd 2019 & 3rd 2022. LOL.
Larry Kaufman told me:
(Begin quote)
Magnus doesn't generally play such great openings, he strives to get the game out of book as early as possible usually. I think the issue here is that his greatest strength is the endgame, but FRC games are much more likely to be decided in the middlegame as the players are on their own so early. That's probably why he doesn't shine as brightly in FRC as in Classical chess.
(End quote)
PartIV.
Magnus is a coward re the 2022 WC because:
IV.1 - Championship privilege - The 2022 WC didn't have a candidates the same way the last 4 WCCs do. Magnus had the FULL privilege to defend against ONLY 1 OPPONENT each of the last 4 times. And Vishy from 2008-13. (But ok Wesley So got PARTIAL privilege.)
IV.2 - Time controls - FIDE lowered by 50%! Changed the WC from classical to rapid where Magnus obviously has a higher advantage!
Magnus even beat Sergey and Fabi only because of rapid tiebreaks. But Sergey and Fabi 'deserved' to have lower time controls because they only drew against Magnus in original time controls. But Wesley So didn't lose a single game to Magnus in 2019 and even beat Magnus 4x !!! So why did Wesley So deserve rapid time controls?!?!!
Note: The tiebreaks Sergey and Fabi got were even 25min, not 45min. Lol.
Bobby was on top for only a short period of time because FIDE and Anatoly were cowards who ran away from Bobby. (No offense Sergey Karjakin! Or wait I can compromise: FIDE, not necessarily Anatoly Karpov, were cowards.)
See? It happened again. FIDE and Magnus were being cowards running away from Wesley So. But it backfired on them because they didn't expect Nepo, and apparently Hikaru too, is more talented than Magnus. But I already knew it: Nepo lost only 3x to Wesley So in 2019 FIDE and drew with Wesley So in 2022 St Louis while Magnus lost 4x to Wesley So in 2019 FIDE and FURTHERMORE lost to Wesley So in 2020 St Louis.
But I guess FIDE still benefits anyway from Hikaru's winning since Hikaru is a popular streamer who sides with Magnus over Hans.
SAYNOTO2900
PartV.
Magnus cheated 4x
V.1 - with David Howell against Danya Naroditsky in 2021 Dec
V.1A - in the lichess thing.
V.1B - in relationships. Lol.
V.2 - with Aryan Tari against Danya in 2022 Jan again in lichess
V.3 - Magnus also cheated in 2019 blitz WCC in distracting Alireza: Magnus spoke in Norwegian on own turn BUT AFTER punching clock continued to talk on Alireza's turn.
V.4 - Magnus cheated against Nepo in 2021 WCC with the knight touch move thing and then said 'do better' as part of gaslighting the reporter. Search 'magnus carlsen gaslighting'.
MAGNUS INTENDED TO MOVE THE KNIGHT. HIKARU SAID SO.
Magnus is like the cheaters Tigran V / L Petrosian and is unlike the HONEST players Wesley So and Bobby Fischer. Also Garry cheated Judit by touch. See? Magnus copied Garry.
Also Garry is not GOAT for cheating against Judit (whose sibling Susan is JEWISH AMERICAN btw - see zs4zpf ) and not apologising for 3 decades now.
Actually, Magnus is similarly not GOAT due to cheating.
Levy said in a wired video that GOAT comes down to Magnus, Garry and Bobby. Garry cheated Judit. Magnus cheated Alireza Danya and Nepo. (Wesley) So Bobby wins!
Wesley So told Hikaru in stream that 50-70 years 9LX will replace chess. See Wikipedia. Wesley So said in 2018 interview St Louis that Bobby or Garry is GOAT. Even if Bobby is not GOAT, Bobby is MTOAT - most talented of all time.
Also, have there been any cheating scandals in 9LX?
9LX players have more integrity than chess players.
PartVI.
More on talent and then Hans Niemann
Quote 1:
After playing Chess960, I realise how mentally unwell chess players become the more they play it. They know they will get the same ideal setup every game and they deny the fact that they will mess it up unless they memorise some other geek's ideas. In Chess960 there is nothing to deny. You know you are going to get a far from ideal start position and you know it is up to you to make the best of it and you know you will be playing moves nobody has tried before. Which is better for your mental health?
Quote 2:
Chess960: The winner is the more agile mind. Chess: The winner is the biggest nerd.
Wesley So is most TALENTED currently even though Magnus is GREATEST currently. Thank you Bobby for helping us realise how TALENTED Wesley So is.
Wesley So ain't greatest currently or of all time. After all e was in candidates only once and got only 1 win. (All the more embarrassing for Magnus. LOL.) BUT WESLEY SO IS THE MOST TALENTED CURRENTLY AND POSSIBLY OF ALL TIME (well maybe next to Bobby). MTOAT VS GOAT.
HUGE PARALLEL:
FIDE lowers the time controls to lower Wesley So's odds wanting Magnus to win just as chessc*m kicked out Hans Niemann wanting to please Magnus.
Magnus not only cheats but also is a sore loser in manipulating chess entities (chessc*m & FIDE) to hurt American players (Hans & Wesley So).
Civil conspiracy and ra()sm!
The 5C's:
Corruption
Cowardice
Cheating
Civil conspiracy
I already said in this post:
ydwn2y
P.S. Who's the biggest sore loser?
Light Yagami (death note),
Magnus (chess),
Garrett Adelstein (poker),
Carlsen (chess960)
(HUGE UPDATE: See zs4zpf how Magnus has something against JEWS more than Americans.)
P.P.S. Please help get Wesley So on Lex Fridman's podcast. See
xcdhgq
Yes. FIDE was a coward for running away from Bobby Fischer. Like even in 2022 FIDE was a coward for running away from Wesley So.
Bobby Fischer if alive today would support Hans Niemann over Magnus Carlsen ... Apparently not?!
Part1. I was told in 2022 Dec:
(as an answer to my question 'Does Magnus Carlsen have something against Americans?')
(BUT I DISAGREE WITH THIS. SO UA-cam DON'T HIT ME FOR HATE SPEECH. I'M NOT A RA()ST. I'M SAYING MAGNUS IS A RA()ST.)
I would assume Magnus hates Jews more than Americans. Maybe such as
Levon Aronian
Niemann
Naroditsky
Caruana
Ben finegold
Levy Rozman
Nepo
Daniil Dubov
Sergey Karjakin
Danny Rensch
Mamedyarov
Vachier-Lagrave
Fischer
Kasparov
Etc etc
Aside from Magnus Hikaru and So
Basically most of the top brass in chess world is team Jew. And it's MY theory that Niemann did cheat and it's a Jewish conspiracy to bring down the gentile who dominated them past two decades.
(MY NOTE: THE PRECEDING PARAGRAPH I BELIEVE IS NOT NECESSARILY RA()ST. THIS IS EFFECTIVELY THE SAME ACCUSATION THAT BOBBY MADE AGAINST THE RUSSIANS / SOVIETS.)
Part2. And then I was told further:
(I disagree with this, but I believe it goes to show what Magnus thinks! Damn RA()ST MAGNUS!)
2.1 - It's my belief that hans did cheat (not that Magnus is unbeatable) and that it was from some from. Of crowd aid, perhaps even from organizers themselves. (...)
2.2 - As for Hikaru and so. They are just two very good non Jewish chess players. Hikaru is tangled up due to his stream comments and So was just an example of one of the few big name non jewsih chess players from America. Non of the Indians are Jews but almost all the Russians are.
2.3 - I mention Lex because he randomly at the same time (during his own ascent into the public eye) has THREE episodes of chess podcasts. Gotham botezs and Hikaru. (...) Lex own popularity seems to be out of nowhere.
2.4 - Also you seem hell bent on getting So on Lex fridman. Like why? (...)
2.5 - Oh and he just so happened to have Kanye West. Hahahah who the hell has botezs sisters one day and can convince Kanye West to come on? (...)
Part3. My thoughts:
3.1 - Of course I don't think that there's a Jewish conspiracy or that Hans cheated.
3.2 - If Bobby were alive today, then I think Bobby would still be against Jewish / US LEADERS or POLITICIANS not arbitrary citizens and especially not players and especially not Wesley So considering Bobby had a lot of Philippine friends, most notably Eugene Torre.
Tell me that Wesley So wouldn't have been Bobby Fischer's favourite player since 2019 Oct. Considering what Bobby said about Garry Kasparov, do you think Bobby would like Magnus Carlsen? Or at least Magnus over Wesley So?
3.3 - But I can invert this conspiracy to say Magnus thinks there's a Jewish conspiracy or at least Magnus is a sore loser from losing to Jews or Americans and thus accused Hans, a Jewish American, of cheating.
3.4 - Note that Magnus' main rivals in chess and 9LX (of the same generation i.e. post-Vishy) are Jewish or American:
Sergey - 2016 WCC
Fabi - 2018 WCC
Wesley So (& Nepo actually) - 2019 WC
Nepo - 2021 WCC
Hikaru & Nepo - 2022 WC
3.5 - This would explain why Sergey, a pro-Putin Ukrainian-born Russian, sides with 3 Americans over fellow non-Ukrainian European Magnus.
I asked Sergey in 2022 Sep:
A - Sergey did Hans cheat?
B - Sergey what do you think of the upcoming 9LX tournament in Iceland 2022Oct?
C - Please it's killing me!!!! Do you support Wesley?
Sergey said:
A - I have no ideas:). Magnus played bad and Hans played well.
B - I like Fisher chess and it is pity that we don’t have many tournaments on it.
C - Wesley is a hero:).
Well if the Jewish thing doesn't explain it, then I guess, if you're anti-Putin, it's because Magnus is such an evil human being that a pro-Putin would choose an American over Magnus 3x. Lol.
(And don't say nationality or ethnicity isn't relevant when we're talking about Sergey who considers Daniil Dubov a traitor to Russia for siding with Magnus over Nepo.)
(Actually, Hikaru is a traitor to the US for siding with Magnus over Hans. And yet Daniil wasn't allowed to play with the Russian flag shortly after the betrayal while Hikaru can still play with the US flag. Why?)
3.6
I've been called a fake account for each of the ff: Wesley So, Hans Niemann, Sergey Karjakin & the 15yo ghost of Bobby Fischer. What do these 4 rivals of Magnus have in common?
Exactly 3 are American. Sergey is the only 1 who doesn't fit.
I didn't know the answer until 2022 Dec: They are all American OR JEWISH! And it's not quite the same answering 'they are all American or Russian' since there's only 1 Russian. Just as there are exactly 3 Americans, so are there exactly 3 Jews.
I've so far never been accused of being a fake account for a non-Jewish or non-American rival of Magnus.
Part4. Sources:
4.1 - zs4zpf
4.2 - quote: (2022 Oct) Many decisions in tournament chess are made to favor the player that brings in the most sponsorship dollars and views, which is undoubtedly Magnus. There's also no doubt that Magnus generally dislikes americans- he said so on one of the Magnus effect podcast episodes.
4.3 - quote: (2023 Feb) YOJIMBO_KING told me: A ra()st can always spot another ra()st
P.S. Please help get Wesley So on Lex Fridman's podcast. See
xcdhgq
@@nicbentulan well I’m Jewish and most people hate Jews I wouldn’t be surprised if he did top
@@muhamadfadli8486 Karpov could've also agreed to the match. Here in the US, the defending champ picks the size of the ring in boxing. Fischer played by the Soviet rules when he challenged Spassky, so why shouldn't Karpov have played by Fischer's rules when he challenged Fischer
Bobby Fischer is the greatest chess player of all time.
Compared to their contemporaries Paul Morphy, Kasparov and Magnus all have equal claim
@@robertehrenworth3310 so Caruana better than Fischer too??
Bobby is the GOAT in Chess period, the circumstances in his time justifies that bro.
@@kitsune090 I do get it; Bobby in his time was far ahead of his contemporaries. Indeed, he lost points when he won the WC title! But you apparently don’t get my point, which is that he mentally disintegrated soon after becoming the WC and left competitive chess far too soon. Morphy also was light years ahead of his contemporaries - crushed them all in beautiful style - and left chess far too soon (but at least he did not go nuts). Kasparov to his credit stayed on top 20 years. Magnus dominates today and fortunately is not done yet
Let me guess, you are american ?
@Robert Ehrenworth Fischer did not go nuts. Chess became a game of memorization more than actual skill, even before the engines came into the picture, which is one of the reasons he invented Fischer random.
Everything he said about jews was correct as well. What did he say that was crazy? Paul Morphy went crazy, he was talking to his shoes for Christ sakes.
Bobby was like a computer. Even if you plucked the 1972 Fischer out of time with no prep he would be extremely hard to beat for even the top 5 in the world
Yes I believe so he is genius that happened to play chess
Only in chess960. I highly doubt he could match today's top 5 in standard chess, since modern players know a lot more theory than those from the 1970s, and theory plays n crucial role in standard chess
It crazy the smut they put on Bobby Fischer name with these young bucks
Bobby didn’t have all these chess engines to practice against and analyze games too. GOAT in chess.
Nor his colleagues.
If you and me dont have engines
Better player will win;
If you and me have engines
Still better player win. Got it?
@@markrobertson3054 The Russians helped each other A LOT! Bobby was completely alone most of the time and with Lombardy for some of the time.
@@aleksdobrev1486 so? People who help was not stronger
@@aleksdobrev1486Thats what the story tells you. From a propagandistic book during the cold war. Not a very good source. The overal importance and impact of Fischer was inflated as a propagandistic stunt. He barely remained no1 for 1 year and ran out when real competition began. Btw. Elo shifts from era to eta 2700 back then would be 2400 or less in today's elo.
@@markrobertson3054 except Fisher's accuracy was larger than even magnus in the age with no engines, with engines he would improve his games and accuracy even higher
So sad we didn't get to see Fischer vs Karpov. Just imagine the intense clash Fischer and Kasparov could have had
His ratting equal 2950 today is chess.
Probably 2968
@@samueltukamushaba3577 nah its 134679
The method of calculation??
@@hyper_ash-brawlstars e=mc^2
fischer said that he was 2900 or 2920. there is an interview.
USSR (and later Russia) dominated chess from 1948 to 2004. And in that period of time only one person from other country won chess championship, its Bobby Fisher. He crushed soviet chess machine all by himself, he did it alone against all these chess masters. Bobby was so good, true legend. I think Bobby at his peak form he was strongest player of all time.
I mean Spassky was not as great as Kasparov was. I respect Boris but he was not as good as Garry or Karpov, also Vishy won WCC in 2000 why are we not mentioning him? He destroyed every great Russian chess player at that time (he only lost more to Garry but he still beat Garry many times) he even beat Tal something even Garry could not do also we need to mention Judit Polgar, she did not win a WCC in that time period but she beat 11 World Champions and Kasparov, Vishy and Karpov as well in that time period you mentioned but Kasparov is probably the strongest chess player of all time, he became WCC in 85 technology wasn't too great in the 80s as well
Yes in his time butt the GOT is kasparov n.1 the greatest player of all times 6 w.championships.
Kasparov is the n.1 now the greatest player all times GOT has 6 w.championships.
Morphy be like: I didn't have competition and invented development
Wow
How the hell is Kasparov 2nd?! Man was a beast
And Carlsen is a baby?
@@lordseidon9 what
I didn’t think that would be a surprise to anyone, Kasparov was considered the greatest of all time before Magnus.
@@shulmpino5505 well, it's really surprising only ome person could surpass his elo rating after 15 years
Kasparov still the n.1 GOT title.
Bobby was heads and shoulders above evryone in his prime. Maybe the highest prime ever reached in chess.
Morphy-Fischer-Carlsen. The Trinity of Chess
Tal Alekhine Kasparov had More beautiful games than Fischer Carlsen Morphy!!
After the success of the likes of Oppenheimer and The Queen's Gambit you'd think his story would be a cinematic goldmine. Man complexed by the relationship with his country but an absolute genius at his art even though highly misunderstood. It's like the perfect drama
pawn sacrifice with tobey maguire
Fischer really is the goat no matter what anyone says
To be GOT makes ONLY the w.championships. so Kasparov is.
( we see if carlsen will break it needs 2 more.)
Goat? For being numer one for 1 year and chickening out as soon as real competition began? Nah bro.
@@juanpablosanchezaveleyra6454nah nah he was the goat
@@shashishekhar---- If you buy all cold war wester propaganda... yes, sure
Im still disappointed that Fischer vs Karpov didn't happen
Fischer is the Nikola Tesla of chess🥶🥶👑👑🔥🔥🐐🐐
Seriously, if the same Fischer was around today he would wipe the floor with everyone.
I am of the opinion that, with the technology we have today, acess to computers and bots, if Bobby had all of these stuff at his disposal, his rating would've been MUCH higher and that is why I honestly consider him the best of all time.
If he was playing today then very likely his rating would be much higher just because top ratings are higher nowdays, impossible to say how he would match up against someone like Carlsen though.
However if everyone back in 1972 had todays computers and chess engines then arguably his rating would have been lower. His opponents would likely have gained more from the tech than he did and potentially been able to at least make more draws.
His rating wouldnt be much higher
Magnus wins 5 draws 1 and he loses rating
No way
Nah I don't know if Bobby would be suited to an engine era. My opinion is that if Bobby were to be born and play in the modern world then he would be very strong but Carlsen would likely be better, however if Carlsen were to go back and be born and play in Fischer's era then Fischer would have dominated him.
@@xHannibalMagnus started his career before engines and he's still dominating even in the engine era even though younger players would have the advantage. Why do people underestimate him so much?
The real GOAT
Disagree. He might have been GOAT if he had played for longer
@@worsethanjoerogan8061 He 100% WILL be the G.O.A.T if get the help from the computers today like Carlsen.
Fischer is the best ever like it or not. Morphy was also amazing
Thank you for this important reminder that I will bring to the library and bar.
This is why I consider him the greatest of all time. No single player was as far ahead of his competition as Fischer
And it's not like he played against poor competition either, Petrosian, Spassky and Tal were just a few examples of how strong his opposition was, and he still was way above the field
Wasn't the gap larger for Paul Morphy?
@@FunkayMonkay149 that is true, I should've clarified that I meant the FIDE era where everything is kept better track of and it's easier to put an exact quantity on things
I remember looking at USCF ratings in summer 1971. Fischer was 2825. Second place was not even 2600. It was something like 2585. Fischer ended up losing rating points in the match against Spassky finishing up at 2810 USCF.
@@percybyssheshelly he resoundingly beat the World #2 and lost rating points. That's impressive for sure
Magnus is better than Bobby because Magnus beat Sergey and Fabi decisively and also beat Wesley So in Fischer's own game.
Lol!!! I can't believe I said that with a straight face!
Bobby Fischer rules. Magnus Carlsen sucks. Wesley So rules!!!
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The number you have to remember isn't who has the highest number, means nothing really...what matters is how great the gap between greatest and his contemporaries.. Spassky was second ranked and was 130 points BEHIND Fischer..there are 20+ players within 130 points of magnus
Bobby Fischer...MY GOAT!
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My goat as well
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One can argue that engines keep Carlsens and other top players rating down, as games now are more likely to end in a draw.
It's one of many signs why he's the real GOAT, regardless of him totally losing his mind at some point in time.
Yes, that's why he's not considered the goat, mental stability is one important factor.
Such a tragic story tbh
He didn't lose his mind. He just was right about jews and they made him a pariah.
He was great buuuut he wasn't active long enough for us to draw that conclusion.
@@MegaJohny777 His performance was completely out of this world regardless of the longevity. Quality over quantity always wins.
You also have to consider Fischer’s ratings and his memorable last candidates matches prior to world championship. I believe a Bobby Fischer type of chess player and character only comes every thousand years. He was the best chess player ever lived.
He was 3158 in today's system ...
That's just too much, Magnus is undisputably best chess player of all time
fischer said that he was 2900 or 2920. there is an interview.
Fischer did all this by himself…no seconds or engines to practice with while he triumphed over the Soviet Machine. A league of his own.
At that era, everyone had no engines. You all bobby fans bringing engine like everyone had but bobby didnt.
@@markrobertson3054 I don't think that is the point of bringing up engins. With any competative skill, being able to face off against others who are similarly good, or better, is a huge boon towards your own improvement. Engins cirkumvent this. But since they didn't exist, the effect becomes that the soviet gms had lots of other gms to cut their teeth against, but bobby didn't have anyone who he could practice against besides himself and his competition internationally.
@@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 Bobby should have played Karpov
imagine if a young, hungry for the crown Bobby Fischer had access to today's engines and games. for me the strongest are probably Fischer and perhaps Morphy. these two were farther ahead of their peers imo than champions that came after, against their peers.
Let's remember this: Bobby Fischer DIDNT HAVE CHESS DATABASES!! He earned his rating by hard, smart work!
His game of the century is just the most amazing game.
I totally agree. All you hear these days is Magnus Magnus Magnus. He had the huge advantage of learning the game from powerful chess engines Fischer learned by trial and error. If Fischer had access to Stockfish he would dwarf Magnus
We will never know that unfortunately but that is part of what makes chess so exciting to me. That we will never know. Same with basketball, or any sport.
Think about Larry Bird, would he have been the basketball GOAT if he hadn't gotten injured and retired after 13 years? He was the smartest player of all time.
What if he played 17 years like Jordan? 20+ years like Kareem or Lebron? Would he have been able to adapt? Check out the UA-cam channel "Prime Larry Bird"!
As it stands, with Magnus having engine knowledge, I think Magnus beats Fischer handily.
If Magnus would not have had engine knowledge, or Fischer would have, it'd be a lot different I bet.
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Na even with engine knowledge Fisher puts tough fight. Unlike most players of that era, Fisher was highly accurate even by today's engine evaluations. With equal resources, he destroys anyone else.
If Fischer had access to engines, he wouldn't have played chess you dimwits. Fischer hated memorization and quit chess once engines started becoming a thing. So no he wouldn't dwarf shit because he'd probably be the cashier at McDonald's.
Magnus started without engine too and even after the engines and many players who grew up with the engines, Magnus still dominates. Put more credit to his name.
Great, fantastic and immortal Bobby Fischer!!! Respect forever!!! 👍👍👍
If Fischer played Karpov, he would have reached 2800 rating points considering Karpov's rating points at that time. Albeit he took over a decade for Kasparov to surpass Fischer's rating
yeah but Bobby also did not play the most competitive opponents aside from Tal and Spassky but Garry was facing Karpov, Vishy, Kramnik, Nigel etc also Bobby only had a peak of 1 year that's kinda short coz other Chess GOAT candidates like Kasparov and Magnus have retained their WCC title for like 5 years at least
it's really nice that people still celebrate fischer.
From the candidates matches to the world championship, Fischer was in a league of his own, and probably better than any player since. His play was on a different level, he made things look so easy against world class opposition like Petrosian and Spassky that it is easy to forget that they were previous world champions and some of the best players ever. I doubt we will see his like again.
My man had no computers back in the day
Fisxher: is the MJ in basketball
Magnus: is the Lebron in basketball
Comparison of two 🐐🐐love them both
Exactly. Greatness vs stats essentially
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Fischer was a singular individual and that’s why many gravitate towards him. He was a different kind of guy.
Bobby Fischer is the best player of chess. No doubt. There are many strong players, but no one can touch Bobby in his prime.
Yes, Bobby Fischer was very strong. If we take into account the inflation of the ranking and computer aid, the 2789 of 1972 are worth a lot more than 100 points nowadays!
we also need to mention that he did not face any level of competition of players as the same rating as him for more than one year
There were also less people to farm freelo off of. And less top players to actually get a boost in rating when you win.
I wish we could’ve seen a Fischer Kasparov world championship
That was in 2019. Magnus Carlsen is a successor of Garry Kasparov. Wesley So is a successor of Bobby Fischer.
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Bobby Fischer idol
Is incredible that magnus incresed almost 100 poins of rating from fischer. Dude is a beast. 🐐
To see that Fischer in 1972 has a similar peak rating to Radjabov is insane
i would like to argue that Karpov in his active years was definitely a very strong player as well. sadly he isn't given the exact credit fischer, kasparov, and carlsen has
Best positional player of all time if not for carlsen
Karpov was like Alekhine. Quiet and deadly.
When I think of the best, I think of the ones you stated including Karpov and also Anand
Karpov is definitely up there in the runnings
@@kovy689 I thought alekhine was tactical fireworks type?
Fischer was ahead of his time on the jay q too
Fischer was the goat of chess.
Crazy to think Murphy would be up there too if there was FIDE in the 1800s
Arguably, Bobby was an odd (if not terrible) person, but as a chess player his contribution to chess as a game is waaay bigger than Magnus'. Thats including Fiscer's watch, Randomchess etc. Not mentioning about the popularization of chess in the world and making it in a more entertaining way (along with the prize money).
Terrible person? He rejected an advertising offer for a few mill with the explanation he did not want to advertise car for suicides.
Bobby fisher is the Goat of chess. ❤
Not to forget when youre 115 points higher than the second, it takes alot many wins to push further
this is why championships/feats are better than stats and world records in any game or sport, world records and stats will be broken but no one can take away a feat or championship.
the Candidates tournament of 1971 says it all about Fischer. He totally obliterated the Soviets single handedly.
He was a different breed
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I definitely enjoyed the reminder, thank you
Bobby Fischer is the GOAT
What people don’t understand is that it’s a lot easier to get higher ELO when there are more higher rated players to play against. It makes Bobby’s rating 50 years ago that much more phenomenal.
I would like to add that Magnus Carlsen had 2856 when he fought against Nepo 2782 - so also more than 70 points more than his challenger.
He was playing a whole different game 1971-1972
Spassky wasn't just a paper World Champion either. He was the 2nd highest rated player in the world. Fischer was 115 points over 2nd
Even Kasporov ruled the top of this table for 14 years!
Unfortunately the elo of the strongest player is strongly dependent on the elo of players around him. Because those are your opponents and the bigger the gap, the bigger the elo loss and the smaller the elo gains.
He ia my favorite player of all time.
In my opinion 2889 of Magnus and 2789 of Fischer is roughly the same.
And we also have to take note that if only Magnus can have someone to grind points to then he could have been rated higher.
Also a reminder of how strong Karpov and Kasparov were
Karpov in '94 was impressive. And im Happy for i love the player. However we have to remind that Kasparov had that peak in 2000, but in '94 he was already higher than karpov, with an astonishing Elo. And even before
115 points higher than Spassky?! Wow. I guess all those 6-0 wins really add up!
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People who don’t consider him the goat clearly don’t value “dominance” so much as some other people do. To me this is a very important criteria and why Morphy and Fischer are my top choices, and then Magnus, Kasparov and Karpov enter my top 5. But i respect other people methods pf judging.
@@lucasmatsuoca I consider Fisher's dominance to add value to his argument, but Morphy not so much, because his "dominance" wasn't against such significant opponents. Morphy's great, there's no argument, he's a top 5 of all time, but not top 3
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I think that's the point. That, he was so far ahead of anyone else at his time. Of course you couldn't be expecting his gameplay to have accuracy like Kasparov's or Carlsen's. The theory of chess was only so much developed back then. If you put modern greats in his era with only that much theoretical knowledge then most of them will get destroyed. Also the fact that he wasn't child chess prodigy like others and started playing much later like 10 or something, that's insane. He was pure genius. Given all the theory and engines, there's no way he doesn't rank in top 3. Bobby Fischer can still be argued to be the greatest though as he had both the creativity and genius as well as highly accurate plays like more modern top players.
Bobby has an ELO of 2895. Fide has calculated this by taking into account all of his games before elo was invented.
Bobby was literally the strongest chess player in existence
Fischer was 20 years ahead of the other players.
Fischer was a Gamer a true Gamer
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By who? Never heard anyone that's well informed that doesn't consider him one of the greats.
If i had a time machine id make a match fissher - Carlssen possible, I'd love to see like 20 rounds of classical chess of that
Just reminder how strong bobby fischer is, he finished chess and get bored of it then invented new chess, when strong player from past generation discover new opening bobby fucking fischer discover new chess
Fischer, Morphy and Capablanca probably had the most dominance over their peers. Carlsen and Kasparov follow directly after them, and immediately behind would be Karpov and Lasker, I think. Throw Botvinnik in that list and you have my top 8 players of all time, maybe even in that order (Fischer 1, Botvinnik 8).
Lasker held world champ title for nearly 3 decades. Kasparov was ranked #1 for more than 3 decades. Hard to argue anyone else was more dominant than either of those 2.
@@bhough410 By dominance I mean there was the biggest skill gap between them and their peers, Lasker was ahead but not by much, and Kasparov always was close with Karpov. Had Karpov had Fischer as a rival for any of his life, I wouldn't be surprised if Karpov could've done better in his bloods matches with Kasparov- of course that's purely hypothetical tho. Anyway, I think Fischer Morphy and Capablanca have the most dominance/skill gap between them and the best of their dayz
Fischer was an engine.
Stockfish 16 would beat Fischer 999-1 easily! Fischer vs Stein famous Bishop f5! But earlier 26:Knight f7! 26:a3! Fischer moved 26:Knight f3??? Fischer vs Geller in 1967 17 flawed Master piece 17:exf7? 17:Rook f6! Fischer vs Larsen game one in 1971 Fischer played Bishop f3?? Bishop d6! wins easily! Fischer vs Spassky in 1966 olympiad Fischer played Queen a6?? Rook e3! Wins easily! Morphy Tal Alekhine Kasparov had More beautiful games than Fischer!!
Bobby‘s Elo was actually 2895 if you calculate all his games into his score.
That's too much.I have seen his and they are not as destructive as his rating
And also people in the comments section are asking for that he doesn't have access to computers.nonsense at that time computers were 4th generation and fifth generation computers which are used today we're made in 1974. So he has access to many things 😏
@@ahmermehmood1177 chess engines didnt beat humans yet (not to say toddler level of playing ability), making them fairly useless for studying
Dry old-school chess without any computer iteration or input, Bobby Fischer smokes everyone. If you really go through a significant number of his games it is quite clear that he was leaning into stockfish and Alpha zero lines lines before they even existed
Bobby's the GOAT
Please make a video exposing people who try to say Bobby lost his mind. Bobby was never crazy-anything except crazy smart. He knew who was writing about him, he knew who was suing him, he knew who was taking his intellectual (and physical) property. They were all very clearly identified by him and he was never wrong in accusing someone who had written about him, or sued him, of being Jewish. Find one time he was wrong and I will take back my comment.
Bobby fisher in 1968🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
Let’s be honest. If Karpov fought Fisher he would have lost but at the same time he will become stronger. You become stronger if you have strong opponents.
Is there maybe a time normalized rating table?
OK, I stand corrected. I recently remarked how difficult it would be for Magnus to reach 2900, I had no idea he was that close.
Thats why hes the goat
How about Paul Morphy :P
There wasn't FIDE rating then.
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The GOT in chess Kasparov went pay a visit in Reykjavik Iceland to see boby fisher's grave after his funeral at 71 years old.
Verry HEAVY HISTORICAL moments for chess.
We see if carlsen will do the same and go to Kasparov's funeral even if till that time will break his record and be the GOT.
He learned from Kasparov things.