Why are Christians Leaving the Church? - Josh McDowell interview
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2018
- My personal response to Josh's reason and relevance and truth at 7:27 in the video timeline.
Faith Overhaul interview with Josh McDowell. Why are Christians leaving the church? Why is GenZ so lonely for "community"? How bad is the issue of pornography in churches today and what is the expected result?
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We need less infernalism and more Victorious Gospel in the church aka the Blessed Hope aka the (eventual) Restitution of All Things.
The main reason why Christians are leaving the church is that even leading apologists like McDowell can write a book like "Evidence that demands a verdict.“ that has 1000 pages but doesn’t contain any actual evidence.😂
But what about all the manuscripts?
You know, the 65k copies of mythology and lies? 😂
Hey Rami, a picture is worth a thousand words. You may check out the Victorious Gospel by real Christians who reject and refute the false doctrine of ECT (eternal conscious torment) such as Robin Parry aka Gregory Macdonald, Thomas Talbott, George Sarris, Brad Jersak and the like :)
After 28 years, left church due to spiritual starvation. Still follow God on a different but helpful path.
Indeed, I actually believe Colossians 1:19-20, 1 Cor. 15:20-28, and others like Romans 5:18, 11:32-36 without twisting them as the religious system has been doing for the last 1500 years or so... ;)
The modern, unbiblical church service is a good demonstration of why people leave churches. We're supposed to meet together as equals. God gave every member gifts to be used in a gathering, so that we could all contribute our gifts for mutual edification. What I see here is one member dominating the service with all other members not using their gifts. The members who sit and do nothing wither and become passive and apathetic. I believe the Holy Spirit wants to get rid of this hierarchical church and decentralize us to we can all use our gifts.
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Because churches won't stop asking for money and building huge buildings for millions of dollars and are dishonest about what Jesus taught about money or what the bible teaches about money for that matter. Huge reason and people see right through it. And I am a Jesus follower. Give your money to those who need it, the poor, starving, disabled etc. not the church system and building. IMO
Another Christian who complains alot but does nothing himself. You alone are right and everyone else is wrong. IDIOT.
BET YOU WILL HAVE NOTHING TO ACCOUNT FOR WHEN YOU STAND BEFORE CHRIST . Just alot of whining about how everyone was wrong and you alone were right.
@Delon Duvenage that fits most of the Christian's I know . Including you. Hypocrite hypocrite
@@Zinner222 Christians like you are why people are leaving the church and why atheists like me remain unconvinced of the moral superiority of christianity.
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I agree with you and I am a Christian
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People are leaving because they are not deluded anymore.
Those with the Holy Spirit, who can answer those questions, are being marked as dissenters, and run out of the churches because those questions are being caused by misinterpreted scriptures and can only be answered by breaking traditions and seeing the scriptures for how they are really interpreted.
You know what? A wonderful God exists and that wonderful God put this beautiful world together. No question. But that's where it gets tricky. Then we are told that a child slides out of the birth canal and the first thing they hear is, "Welcome to earth. You're in big trouble. If you don't choose the right religion you'll burn forever." Don't think so. Only evil humans could come up with something as diabolical as that.
Manny Richtofen BINGO
Exactly. The doctrine of hell was most likely invented by some church people a few hundreds of years b.c.
I really hate that doctrine. Its so evil but most christians by that crap.
Manny, did he also put together our solar system, and all of the other solar systems in our galaxy, and the billions of galaxies in the universe .... and if the answer is yes, then how come dinosaurs appear to have been his first sentient creatures on this planet? That would be like an architect who creates a palace, fifty years later creating a mud hut.
For most people these days a full reading of the Bible will create doubts about the existence of a god. Further inquiry will reveal that the stories in the Bible are almost entirely fictional.
How so?
@@Baa975 Because most of them are absurd. I'll give you one example. Jesus feeds 5000 men with four small loaves and two fish .... he then disappears for a couple of hours. The disciples leave him and set off by boat to cross Lake Galillee. The lake is eight miles wide. By the time they're halfway across it is dark and there is a storm raging. They look out and see Jesus striding across the big waves to the boat. He gets in and the boat is instantly transported the next four miles to port of Capernaum. Do you really believe that this is something that happened? And why did the Romans, with all of their spys and soldiers not know anything of Jesus?
Josh has a different definition for an atheist than I have. As someone who is an Atheist I think i.e. someone who doesn't believe there is a God or gods but never claims to know there definitely isn't one, if I heard a fellow atheist state that they where not a Theist because they where smarter than this I think I would point out that intelligence does not determine whether someone is an atheist or a theist and not to judge those differently so negatively . There are very intelligent atheists as well as very intelligent Christian Theists.
God makes atheists possible.
Mark and Jaime, and anyone else, there's a good book on that called 'The Atheist Delusions' by David Bentley Hart who has other great published works since then too.
people are leaving the church , because they are doing more research on the historical church , bible and the person Jesus . They are studying writings of Prof. Bart Erhman , Dr. Richard Carrier , and David Fitzgerald..... many Christians try to use a book by Bart Erhman called Did Jesus existed to prove their point . But be careful ; Erhman believes that a man name Jesus existed ; but the gospel Jesus did not exist .
@@taoufyqcafe855 , no i'm not ; but you are so true
@@charlesboles9307 i recommend you to watch the video i sent you.read the quoran and u will understand jesus more.jesus is noble but a prophet made miracles by names of god not by himself.
@@taoufyqcafe855 , thank you but i don't subscribe to know religion .
@@zakariaezero270 sorry?
@@zakariaezero270 that is the moral of christian just hypocrisy
“Apologists are just there to take advantage of you, telling you what you want to hear when the evidence tells you otherwise. The sheer existence of apologists is reason alone to raise suspicion. Their dishonesty is blatant when you simply double check what they say. In the end, historians and scientists are not just one big conspiracy against Jesus, the Bible is simply wrong about most things.”
-Joseph R. Hanson
Rules without relationships leads to rebellion. Great truth.
The ekklesia has left the church.
I became an atheist because I realized that all the arguments that I was given to support Christianity were vacuous, fallacious, or just flat out wrong. This happened long before the internet age. Today people have instant access to the material that I had to search libraries for.
4:48 _'...and a lot of it wasn't because of the empty tomb it was the 'appearances'...'_
Except those appearances aren't in the original gospel of Mark!
Did it ever occur to you that people leave christianity because it’s NOT TRUE? There was a time when people were easily scared, manipulated and controlled by religion and its leaders but the human mind has changed and evolved. People discovered that they have THE RIGHT TO ASK QUESTIONS and receive honest and true answered and not more lies instead.
Did you watch the video? Do your research
Absolutely agree here.
I'm not a member of Generation Z. I used to be identified by my family. I've since had to remove that context upon recognizing its severe toxic relational and behavioral influence. My extended family and I are not close anymore. Some of my siblings walked away from God, one is now an aggressive agnostic atheist, due to the relational issues we all had with our Dad. It's unfortunate but necessary to be redefined by the context and influence we wish our lives built on. Namely, God's family and His word.
Some survey research among Millennials reveals interesting facts. This is one demographic of Christians who are leaving. They don't like to be shamed for wrongdoing. They don't like LGBTQ2 friends being excluded from church. People who are divorced do not feel welcome in the church. They do not like judging people (which is the wrong place to go in many church cases), general lack of interest as one gets older is also a problem. Millennials want a voice, and many churches do not allow this. There is also some doctrinal differences with church leaders.
Exactly! Which is why I left the baptist church and now I’m pretty happy
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very good information. I want to be relevant to reach out to those who don't have a relationship with Christ.
You mean goats?
@@Pfsif That's right, we are Sheep, and lost souls are GOATS. I pray you are a Sheep.
@@sarahgracebrooks2629 The "lost" will be saved eventually, goats will NEVER be changed.
we have over 56,000 manuscripts of the NT, no two agreed ,most are from the ninth century and fourth century and do not agreed with each other . The earliest copy that we have is from the late 2nd century called P52 , the size of a credit card .
ur belief is like us are u a muslim
what are the contemporary eyewitness to the resurrection ? the gospels are not eyewitness accounts , Paul never speaks of seeing Jesus here or there on earth only visions or Jesus spoke to him . I'm a Christian but the evidence is very weak .
What is the use of 'nicknames' ?
Why are Christians leaving church? Pretty simple for me. Too much money, too much emphasis on political power, too much decadence. I left the church nearly 40 years. As a Christian man, i say without fear of contradiction, we are better off without church today.
Idk say we are better with church but we are not better because the chosen leadership.
we have over 4200 hundred different religions who is right ? This is the problem .
Either one is right or none are right... but all cannot be true
@@danielleholley817 , talk about circular reasoning , so which one is right and why ?
@HuckFinn , true
christianity DOES NOT make Any sense At All.
We also have 45,000 denominations of Christianity. Which one is right?
Please adjust the sound, it is faint even at maximum not clear especially with american accent. Hope you understand.
the internet is a source of information ' not a community of a belief.
The Internet???? You can "confirm" anything on the Internet.
@@juliusrhinehart798 , you can't confirm anything , has to be established by truth .
The reliability of a document has nothing to do with the number of copies of it that there are!
Is that the only shirt he owns?
Every religion without exception has an issue with absolute literal interpretation versus allegorical interpretation. There are recorded incidents in every religion that are not scientifically compatible. On the other hand, the societal ethics in all major religions coincide in advocating a pure, harmonious civil life. You must decide as an individual what you will accept literally, what you will interpret allegorically, and whether you will follow the social ethics a religion requires of you. It's your responsibility to decide, not the responsibility of some intermediary like the man interviewed in this video.
People base their relationship on reading a book and not actually talking to Jesus. It's like saying I have a relationship with a novelist by reading his book. Then we have tons of false prophets and people lying about seeing Jesus. We are seperated from God according to the Bible and then how can you be connected to a God you are disconnected from?
At 10:11 Josh said "so what"! The volume was better. And after that again "almost whispers"! Please get the mike close to the mouth. We are missing a lot when we cannot hear. Remember we are not in front of you, but in front of our computers, tabs and smartphones.
Because education makes people realise that superstitious 2000 year old bollocks is just that !
The reason people are LEAVING the Church is the same reason they NO LONGER WALKED WITH JESUS. ''They went out from us because they were never of us." 1 john 2;19 For if they were of us they would have continued with us. Jesus chooses us, we never choose him. We are SEPARATED BY SIN. They only way a sinner can come to CHRIST is when the HOLY SPIRIT DRAWS HIM. When the LORD JESUS SAVES it, forever. This is the TRUTH....PEOPLE want the GOOD things of GOD, without following JESUS...THEY WERE NEVER OF US!!
I got ptsd from going to an evangelical Pentecostal church, went to find peace but found hell , ego maniacs drunk
quoting the bible is not evidence ! you need contemporary eyewitness to show what the story of Jesus is saying is true .( eyewitness ) no Josephus is not an eyewitness i tried that already . Josh McDowell is giving the same old information . we need better evidence .
Read the book “Lord, Liar or Lunatic.”
You need to stop responding with preconditioned responses. You told on yourself saying he needs to stop quoting The Bible. This told on you. You have never even read his book. Josh is an Evidentialist. This means(among other things) when you read his material he is going to actually show your historical evidence outside of The Bible.
And also.....hardly NO ONE from the ancient world has contemporary attestation. So if this is your argument then there is a lot of history that can't be trusted.
Maybe Josh should have looked for evidence of the soul. Then he wouldn't have had to wade through all those manuscripts. He could have started with Galvani's experiment and subsequent medical research to realise pre-science guesses like breath of life and spirits are based on misconceptions. We might as well be looking for aether or miasma as looking for souls.
@@juliusrhinehart798 we don't trust they came back to life too. There lots of claims of stuff we don't think happen. claim someone was in Rome is not a hard sell, claiming they ran Rome is harder but still not that bad, claiming they use a time jump to go back and run Rome is just about unthinkable. and thinking someone came back from the dead is just a bit pass that.
Internet + bullshit = people leaving Christianity.
Come on , that is not how it works. Our job is too give people the gospels , and that’s all. We must search the scriptures. You can’t put a person not answering in a way they understand on anybody. You can get the truth by reading the word. Just give them scripture !!!
One key is to have knowledge on how to learn Torah and not be jumping into NT faith and beliefs. Another key is to have a relation to God and not a religion.
how do we know it's true ? Apologetics ! isn't that the problem .
Or could the ressurection been more credible if Jesus was buried 6 feet under the ground then rose up after 3 months? Ancient historians like Josephus Flavius could never miss that and couls haved inked it in history.
Is it ok to make tattoos like yours? Being Christian?
I left the church when I realized that Yahweh wasn't real. It wasn't long before I learned about all the errors, contradictions, failed prophecies, fake histories, and immoral laws in the Bible, and saw Christianity for what it is: an ancient cult that grew large enough to be a religion.
brother i agree with you that the whole bible is falsified fabricated.jesus existed but he was never a god or even son of god.he was a messenger of god.but the game started after the death of jesus.paul was the cause of all the book change.he pretended he was a follower of jesus and he played this game.on the contraty paul was a jew and so hard for a jew to change his relation and he mislead the whole people and christianity.there is no crucifixion nor resurrection.but jesus existed as a person no incarnation.that what muslims tried to say over years ago that jesus was not incarnated god.just the idea that someone died on cross to forgive rapts and killers is not fair idea.
just reading the bible you feel u follow the satan all are blood.sun will change to blood according to john
@@taoufyqcafe855 You seem to have a delusion.
In the Caananite religion YHWH was a son of El, along with about 69 other sons. El was the big daddy, and YHWH was a storm god. Then over time, the Hebrews became monotheistic, and El and the others were airbrushed out, and YHWH became sole god.
@@chiricahuaapache5132 Thanks. It is a shame more people don't know that.
You need to explain truth In spirituality to youth the need to know not guess or believe that's too hard
Intelligent people worldwide are leaving the church because they are educating themselves about religious history. The days of the ignorant follower is coming to a close. The church, with all its high minded ideas, morals and ideals, dual thinking and self righteous talk has been found virtually powerless. A broken, near useless crutch for small minded, fearful and weak hearted people.
The only thing people need from religion lives deep inside each of us and religion has failed to awaken this divinity that lives within us all. Humanity does not need a savior, only an awareness of ones own divinity and to follow it. That was the message of all the great human avatars who spoke truth.
Thankfully, as we leave the dark age of faith and enter the new age of knowledge and wisdom,, religion is taking its rightful place among the pages of history. Long may it rest there never to rise again.
Well said. I was about to write similar response but you articulated it so well. Thank you.
Left the church because in the Old Testament, God says he hates child sacrifice, but then in the NT sacrificed his own child. Really....the messages does not make any sense . If you ask to many questions, the church ask you to leave, because they do not have answers. People are tired to just believe. We need answers!
It's not necessary.
Please do yourselves a favor and search for Bill Donahue's Hidden Meanings here on YT. You're welcome!!!
Jesus Christ is Lord! He came to save us from our sins. We are not the Creator, nor do we know how we came into this world & when or how we will leave. But Christ gives us hope through all the difficulties & confusion of this world.
The late Bishop John Shelby Spong provided much better answers on this topic.
Josh estimates he'll be out of a job in 3 or 4 years. Just in time for retirement.
2:50 LOL then you’re a lousy analyst. The gospels can’t even be reconciled to each other, let alone the trumped up references to the Old Testament, & _forget about_ the date discrepancies. I mean, jeez, just the fact that Paul says he knows Christianity better than _the apostle Peter_ should be a deal-breaker.
Because people about grown the idea of human sacrifice and blood atonement!
Christianity will flourish in Lord Jesus name.
Hes not much of a scholar if he thinks the NT isn't corrupted.
So according to Josh McDowell, Jesus appeared to just his Apostles for 40 days after his supposed resurrection. It is pretty convenient that the zombie Jesus only appeared to his followers, existed on earth for 40 days and NO ONE ELSE NOTICED?! That is pretty convenient.
jason mcgregor ummm Jason? Where did you read or hear that? That is plain wrong! Josh McDowel did not say that, I’ve read his his book. Jesus appeared to his disciples and THOUSANDS of others. I can’t remember the exact number so I don’t want to claim it but it was in the thousands like 4-5.
Please go back and recheck this. Also if you are interested you can look into the work of Dr. Habermas. I hope I have the name right. He is the leading authority on the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. No one has done more research than he has on this subject. He’s easy to find on you tube and through Crossexamined.org
God Bless.
@@prissylovejoy702At minute 4:50 in this video Josh McDowell says, "The appearances for forty days. Day and night to the apostles with many convincing proofs it says." Josh Mcdowell never mentions anything here about "thousands of others" seeing Jesus after his resurrection.
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Unfortunately we don’t have the testimony of any of those people.😂
Jesus was not a zombie he was a lich.
when all else fails run to the OT. Where the name of Jesus is not mentioned .
Hi Charles. The entire Old Testament points to Jesus as the coming Messiah. That was one of the prerequisites to assemble the books of the Old Testament.
@@Mark-yb1sp , that's true according to Christian view of scriptures and tradition i understand . But when you read the OT in context you do not see i clear picture of Jesus . That's why Jewish Rabbi's will tell you the NT are forgeries . They are not eyewitness accounts
@NWOutdoorsman , that's not evidence sir , books written thousands of years apart .
@NWOutdoorsman , also find the name jesus ( meaning the one you trust ) in the OT ?
@@Mark-yb1sp I am sorry but Jews, who are the owners of the Old Testament would disagree with you. That is your own interpretation.
its called REVIVAL!!!!!!!
the fundamental reason people are leaving the church is 1) preconceived notions based on what Aunt Sally taught me as a toddler, 2) I want a religion that doesnt require me to assume responsibility for my sins and decisions, 3) i hate discipline and enjoy being lazy but blaming the consequences on those damned rich people who are far more diligent than I.
The church of Christ has been under attack from the very beginning. What we are seeing now in this departure is the fulfillment of 2 thessalonians , "The apostle Paul declared: 2Th 2:1-5 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? ". Also this scripture = 1Jn 2:18,19 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
I believe the Holy Spirit is scattering the real Church, the Body of Christ, so that He can stop the unbiblical, top-down church hierarchy and artificial separation of clergy and laity. Christ is the head, and we are all members of one another. God never designed this militaristic church hierarchy to dominate the rest of the Body of Christ.
The real problem are people like you who prefer to pretend that there must be something wrong with the people who are leaving instead of dealing with the inconvenient fact that people are leaving because they realize that there isn’t any evidence for their beliefs.
@@ramigilneas9274 People are sick of the hypocrisy of organised religion, from the money grabbing, scandal plagued Pastor tv evangelists, to assholes like Patriarch Kyrill, the head of the Russian church saying a couple of days ago that the pressganged Russian conscripts who die in the Ukraine, will automatically recieve forgiveness from God for their sacrifice. Religion is a cancer and a crock of 💩 that has always been used for social control.
People left church because is boring and they're tier hearing same sermon over and over !
Cool. McDowell has made over $20 million preaching nonsense to the gullible. Way to go Josh!
Jesus saying to beat slaves if they don't do what you want is a good reason. Also Christian support of Trump, anti-vaccine mentality and conspiracy ideology is a big turn-off.
Too old to be true...
There is jesus christ , there is scientific evidence of jesus christ
Josh Is A Josher & He Is Completely Full Of BULL HOCKEY
It’s just not true.
People leave church bcuz they only had relationship with church or organization but never with Jesus.. they should of look unto Jesus who's the author of our faith..instead people look at people and preachers and programs..that's why...very sad
Twenty years ago a leading Christian theologian stated that in ten years 100000 people will leave the church.
This is the fourth video I've watched on the question why Christians are leaving the church.
All four including this one has missed the one thing that has changed:
The Church.
Seeker services.
Hymns replaced by repetitive words.
Pastors preaching to emotions rather than intellect.
Not preaching about sin.
The institution of marriage being tossed aside in favor of gay and lesbian marriages.
Women pastors.
The Church in retrospect has become like the world.
It is no wonder that the Russian Orthodox Patriarch has stated twice that the West and the Protestant church is lost.
And without those changes many more would have left.
There are still enough churches left for fundamentalists who don’t care about evidence.😂
Are you talking of Patriarch Kyrill, the corrupt friend of Putin, who has a mansion, a yacht and wears watches worth hundreds of thousands of dollars ... that Kyrill. The man who has just told Russians who are being forced to join the army and go out to the Ukraine, that if they die there, all their "sins" will be automatically forgiven.
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