Esam made a good point that shiek combos have little effect on limit bar, something I never thought of. The low damage is actually a good thing in this matchup.
They also have little effect on the opponent's percentage. If you look at esam's video, when he goes crazy about "he did that huge combo and he doesn't even have half limit" its bc cloud took 22%. From like a 5 hit combo.
I think so much of this can be credited to spargo thinking it was an easy win and not actually trying until void already had so much momentum and spargo not being able to reset his headspace to get back into the game fully
Yeah people get into the mindset of I already won this when the better one is to play like you're playing the best in the world at all times. Cause somebody catches you lacking and this is what happens to you
He also tends to be very stubborn about counterpicking when hes losing, he sticks to ckoud even if he got his 3 stocks gimped the past game instead of switching to Aegis or something else
I love when marss actually gets into high level analysis. He really shows off his crazy skill. All these in depth situation breakdowns are so past my skill and understanding. Props to u
Honestly, your analysis is some of the best out there. It's insightful in ways that few, if any, are. I don't think it's your favorite thing to do, but it's very good and I hope we get more of it in the future!
I was a VoiD believer going into this set, glad he managed to get the upset. Sheik is a very bad MU for Cloud IMO and more importantly VoiD took all the right risks. One of my fav sets ever
It’s a pretty polarising matchup, cloud is easy to combo and easy to gimp, obviously spargo is a god at recovery mixups though, so it proves the point that Sheik still stands as likely having the best edgeguarding in the game. Edit: I should say he’s easy to combo and gimp, but the polarising part of it is those fat disjointed that disable a lot of Sheik’s attempts to anti-air and catch landings*.
@first last Yeah Sheik gets outranged but her superior neutral, her burst range, and the ease with which she shifts her hurtbox make up for it. Just look at how VoiD spaces right outside Cloud's range in this set.
@@please_no_johns Sheik's hurtbox shifting is huge in this match up. pause and go frame by frame @4:11 where Marss calls out Spargo for mashing fair. it's a valid criticism but shiek is TINY during that falling animation, it's actually crazy. almost any other character would've gotten hit by that fair.
@@Holeinshoo right, he normally even might get downed in pools or apparently top 32-64 at the other tourneys he's been too recently except a couple. But bro just has to bear someone lol. I imagine he was a fan or player vote in, but I really missed seeing his Sheik compete (almost Said his VoiD, damn joke always screws me when typing)
I wouldn't say Sparg0 is the better player void just has character loyalty, he has so much game knowledge and undeniable skill, if he picked up a high tier character i see him being placed top 50 in the world cojnsistently
Marss gotta up his quality in videos IMO He has so much potential with how incredibly entertaining & knowledgeable he is, if he up'd his quality from camera - editing - overall production then his content would go much further I think I think
Spargo has seemed... off lately. Between this set and his loss to Skyjay at Collision he's been uncharacteristically agitated and visibly stressed during his matches. It makes me wonder if he's got some things going on.
Matthew 13:18-23 (KJV) 18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. 22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. On an important note, the concept of a word is the image that forms in your head when you use it, when the wrong one forms from the author's intention it is a misconception.
So like... are we talking about the fact this video was posted the same minute as Void's video on the exact same set with a matching title ?
Backroom deals !
Exactly!…..😨
And coneys except it’s a different vid
Love that you have the top comment on both videos lmao
they're the same: ua-cam.com/users/shortsc83sjnJr8J4
It’s crazy to me how Spargo’s breakout moment was upsetting VoiD in a SoCal tournament, and look where we are now lol
It's beautiful
Damn, somehow full circle lol.
I remember that. Was that back in smash 4 or early ultimate? It was quite a while ago
@@randomgamerdude98 early ult
@@bzrkrrr really?! Wow and Spargo was like 12 and now that kid is basically an adult. Damn I’m getting old
Never forget when Marss F smashed Peter Penguin
It was f throw
@@bibbyboxx2219 never forget the f-smash
@@bibbyboxx2219 that was a tech roll read into f throw
Inside marss are two animals:
One is a light-hearted memer
The other is one of the best analytical minds in smash
i was just thinking this, coming from watching him play dk
Okay but like you’re completely right, perfect phrasing
Esam made a good point that shiek combos have little effect on limit bar, something I never thought of. The low damage is actually a good thing in this matchup.
They also have little effect on the opponent's percentage. If you look at esam's video, when he goes crazy about "he did that huge combo and he doesn't even have half limit" its bc cloud took 22%. From like a 5 hit combo.
@@ericlippe I mean he did take 50 from one combo at 7:27 and Cloud still barely got any limit
lol limit is directly affected by the number of percent done, so if limit doesn’t fill, it means it was not a lot of damage
Marss could lowkey be one of the best coaches
You know it's a REAL analysis vid when Marss is asking you to subscribe while being drenched in the rain
while "Don't speak her name!" plays in the background
I think so much of this can be credited to spargo thinking it was an easy win and not actually trying until void already had so much momentum and spargo not being able to reset his headspace to get back into the game fully
Yeah people get into the mindset of I already won this when the better one is to play like you're playing the best in the world at all times. Cause somebody catches you lacking and this is what happens to you
He also tends to be very stubborn about counterpicking when hes losing, he sticks to ckoud even if he got his 3 stocks gimped the past game instead of switching to Aegis or something else
I don't even think that I think he was just stressed cause mute won their pool
Can be credited to VoiD being thw better player that set*.
I love when marss actually gets into high level analysis. He really shows off his crazy skill. All these in depth situation breakdowns are so past my skill and understanding. Props to u
Honestly, your analysis is some of the best out there. It's insightful in ways that few, if any, are. I don't think it's your favorite thing to do, but it's very good and I hope we get more of it in the future!
Sheik jab clank with cross slash into forward smash works. 🎉
Nah sparg0 just didn’t shield he chose to try to dash back rather than playing defensive. If you look closely you can see
As Marss once said:
“A win for VoiD is a win for humanity”
Laundry room recording lets go!
I feel like it’s a stove.
@@Kalimier777it's definitely a stove
At 4:45, the song that starts is from an old arcade game called 'Cruising the world', it was also on n64 and it probably as old or older than Marss.
I was a VoiD believer going into this set, glad he managed to get the upset. Sheik is a very bad MU for Cloud IMO and more importantly VoiD took all the right risks. One of my fav sets ever
It’s a pretty polarising matchup, cloud is easy to combo and easy to gimp, obviously spargo is a god at recovery mixups though, so it proves the point that Sheik still stands as likely having the best edgeguarding in the game.
Edit: I should say he’s easy to combo and gimp, but the polarising part of it is those fat disjointed that disable a lot of Sheik’s attempts to anti-air and catch landings*.
@first last Yeah Sheik gets outranged but her superior neutral, her burst range, and the ease with which she shifts her hurtbox make up for it. Just look at how VoiD spaces right outside Cloud's range in this set.
@@please_no_johns Sheik's hurtbox shifting is huge in this match up. pause and go frame by frame @4:11 where Marss calls out Spargo for mashing fair. it's a valid criticism but shiek is TINY during that falling animation, it's actually crazy. almost any other character would've gotten hit by that fair.
The movement from void to avoid (no pun intended) that aerial at 10:52 was so simple to execute, but so sick.
void ending the set with the raindrop is iconic
Who would’ve thought the vote ins would do so good. Void beat Spargo and Clutfhbox tied with Spargo
Man. Spargo been going through it lately what with the double elimination from skyjay at collision and now this.
Summit could’ve used a couple of broken TVs but that’s just me
I think marss doing so well this year he would at least get top 6 at summit totally unrelated but needed to be said
I still remember the set when Void went against Zackray's rob...
Void has Ultra Instinct
When are we seeing your set at summit
I'm literally gonna sub now after the "I have a girlfriend to feed. Are you against that?"
Void is Cracked how is this an upset
Upset by technicality since void is unranked and by seeding. Void is definitely cracked but doesn't compete much anymore haha.
@@Holeinshoo right, he normally even might get downed in pools or apparently top 32-64 at the other tourneys he's been too recently except a couple. But bro just has to bear someone lol. I imagine he was a fan or player vote in, but I really missed seeing his Sheik compete (almost Said his VoiD, damn joke always screws me when typing)
I wouldn't say Sparg0 is the better player void just has character loyalty, he has so much game knowledge and undeniable skill, if he picked up a high tier character i see him being placed top 50 in the world cojnsistently
The void shimmy walk at 2:31
i just feel like calling void unranked is so misleading lol
content creators beating spargo is crazy!!
I really wanna see a how Void uses his controller. I can only imagin how fast his fingers are.
Marss goes silly on this
Big D vs Acola would like a word
5:43 I’m pretty sure this is a misinput of exactly what you’re saying, he tried to dash off and fair but pressed a just a little too early
just run up and upset!
Marss gotta up his quality in videos IMO
He has so much potential with how incredibly entertaining & knowledgeable he is, if he up'd his quality from camera - editing - overall production then his content would go much further I think I think
man he didnt show when spargo popped off early
What about big D vs acola???
I had to to back and watch Zero's video of Spargo upsetting Void 3 years ago. Kind if cool pairing.
Void needs to play a different character, he is so insanely talented but shiek needs to win 170 interactions to get a stock.
Spargo has seemed... off lately. Between this set and his loss to Skyjay at Collision he's been uncharacteristically agitated and visibly stressed during his matches. It makes me wonder if he's got some things going on.
Thats deep man, you should make sure hes ok
It can’t be that he got outplayed, no way.
edit: before it happens, I’m being sardonic
Day 96 of protesting for a shimmy tier list.
Theres no way he goes 100 days without making one
Heres to hoping he listens for day 100
im with you man 👊🏻
Bro please just stop, he will never do it
The video quality kinda ass though. lol
Void is unranked? That’s gotta change. Our boy top 20 top 50 for sure.
Fuck no
Shiek is top tier in the hands of void
Spargo played not well this tournament
holy fuck what happened
Funny how you say shiek struggles, and esam says shiek has an easier time
Hmm. Esam...
Yes
Spargoat seemed on autopilot, not to take away how well Void played. It's just hard to see top players not on top of their game.
Entire weekend has felt off
And he’s suddenly gained weight
If he’s eating healthier good on him but it might be an indication
@@Sircoochie bro what does his weight have to do with smash😂. He’s a kid, and he’s still growing. Weight change is expected.
@@vintagefalcon3974 as i said if he’s just eating well i love it but rapid weight gain is a sign of depression
@@Sircoochie why is bro weight watching a 17 year old
@@Sircoochie insane reach lmfao
What is it with this editing? All those zoom in at marss are so weird
losing to the best sheik in the world could never be an upset. character is nuts and secretly top 10
The most upsetting thing was having to watch Steve gameplay.
I wouldn’t say biggest upset, it was last stock last hit in almost every set
Do you know what an upset is?
The vid is low quality
doit
Poop
First, notice me daddy Marss
Stop
You weren't tho. F.
Matthew 13:18-23 (KJV)
18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
On an important note, the concept of a word is the image that forms in your head when you use it, when the wrong one forms from the author's intention it is a misconception.
hello
First????!!
@Marss use "." and "," to move frame by frame on YT