Your design is actually more efficient than the steam community one, as you didn't make them the same size, and due to its compactness, you can almost fit two of your design into the space that the steam community one takes.
Dakon's design is more space efficient (overall) but has a lower average yield per root seed. The math for potential extra output with the extra space in the steam design gets Dakon's design to about 14k wood, Dakon's is 117 tiles and steam is 168 tiles. Dakon's design gains about 15 more root seeds in that space and about a 42% - 43% increase in its production. Dakon's design is about 285 wood per seed and the steam design is about 333 wood per seed (with the videos time frame mind you). Most of the extra space in the steam design is in it's length being 21 long and 8 high (based on the floor tiles) and Dakon's design is 13 by 9 (including the conveyor belt in the height). Now I find that the truly important thing is in the stacking potential of a wood farm (putting one on top of the other) and the steam design mirrors to 21 by 14 while Dakon's mirrors to 13 by 16. This is a decrease in the size gap average, one of each farm having a different of 51 tiles in size and the double being 86 tiles when the expectation in 102 tiles making the new size gap 16% smaller then in the single farm comparaisons. This makes the two designs on average equal in out put based on space with Dakon's design needing more root seeds. The true tests however needs to be in layouts that use the maximum power range of an electric generator (signal strength of 25 tiles). Nothing above is ingame tested it's rough math purely based on what's shown in the video.
I am just going to use Dakon's design due to the compact and modular layout.. I could easily "plug and play" the layout in more places than the Steam Community one.. I am lazy and I love compact modular layouts since I only need to figure out how to set it up once, then mindlessly slot that wherever I see fit.. For example: I can take Dakon's layout, flip it upside down, and make 2 farms share a single conveyor belt..
You could fit two farms but then it would be 70 root seeds vs 36 root seeds. Yes Dakon's farm is much more footprint friendly and tbh more aesthetically pleasing, but with roughly the same number of root seeds the steam design produced slightly more wood while using slightly less resources. Unfortunately that means for raw data so far that design is perhaps slightly more efficient. What would be interesting to see is exact timers for both construction and timers to see how much each farm takes to produce 1000 wood into the chest. I feel those numbers would help us to truly see which design is more efficient as well as maybe insights on how to improve this design and allow Dakon's farm to surpass the steam version.
@@Spydermike1 It is more efficient per root seed. However, it is less efficient in everything else. It requires 10 drills (80 tin bars) versus Dakon's 5 drills and 8 conveyor belts (44 tin bars, and you're left with 2 conveyor belts) and 54 filler tiles (varies, based on what you use) versus Dakon's 35 (again, varies). I believe you also need 19 wires (they're not visible, I assume they're under the bottom stone path) which is 6 copper bar (and 2 wires left over) versus Dakon's 4 wires which is 2 copper and 2 wires left over. This is slightly more than half of the resources required. Meanwhile, the production is only ~17% lower. For a farm that is 117 tiles versus 168 (so only ~30% smaller, so no, you don't need to double the resources for Dakon's farm to fill the same space, you only need to increase it by about 40%). Seeing as the seeds are product of the farms operation and Dakon's farm is quicker to set up and start producing wood...you're actually seriously losing in total wood production and resources, as portion of the extra seeds at least will be produced by his farm before you can start producing wood from the other one.
Thanks for the testing mate. Love to see it. If you feel frisky, id love to see a video on mob farms, like early, mid, and late. Reading the steam guide makes my eyes cross as someone who would just like a simple guide to a simple automated setup for slimes or cavelings. Otherwise, great vid!
oh I have plans for more mob farm videos. so many plans. *queue evil laughter* But yes, they are coming. Im waiting for the devs to fix a pretty big spawn bug right now that really messes up mob farming.
Size definitely matters (No one make a dick joke), in the space it takes to make the community one you can just stack 2 of the smaller ones, and then it would be the most efficient by far. if you make a 2000 x 2000 area for the farm it's obviously gonna yield more, doesn't mean it's more efficient, max height * max length / yield probably gives you a more accurate number
At the end of the day - the delta between your farm and the "optimized" steam farm is negligible, however your versions footprint and resource investment is much lower. My wood farm is just six drills setup opposite a single trunk node, and it generates probably maybe 50 wood an hour. that literally is all you'll ever need in my opinion; so that's what I built. My only recommendation to you my guy, don't even bother responding to trolls and disrespectful comments. Any seasoned internet-hater who is honest will tell you the only thing they hope to get out of it is a reaction - don't give it to them. Enjoying your content brother, keep your stick on the ice.
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All that you said makes your wood farm far more space efficient. The resilience of your design compared to the fragile backbone of the community farm is what sold it to me though, can't risk doing a miss-click and just breaking the entire design and having to start over. I'm definitely copying your design. Thanks for making it!
Thank you for doing the science, was gonna start the laborious task of building the steam guide setup, your simplified version is more than adequate, and still nearly doubles the output of a very basic farm.
It appears that the major difference is that the steam version has all of the columns attached via the rear spine allowing for any growth to be able to generate to any free position
@tantricsausages7002 any free position *within a 5 block radius* which you can easily remember as out 4 over 3. So they can reach a couple columns over, but not all the way to any column
You can support the backbone of the steam design by reinforcing with either a row of root seeds or just a few behind the spine (I would do a root seed every other spot).
I remember commented on the first video for a comparison, thank you for making this video. I personally uses the basic design but compacted in half with a single conveyor in the middle. if the base line is 6k, then your design is at 50% more and the steam would be at 100% more per root seed/time. This is good. Thanks
I dont get the new people complaining when theyre coming to youtube watching people make farms because they cant think one themselves >:( I personally value the size of the farm, i typically used to do a straight 4x10 line of wood farm for each wood type and call it a day, you wont need that much wood anyway if you are playing solo
Tldr; Time spent building vs material cost and production Steam version takes more time to make by a large amt but produces 10-20% more and requires less materials by a notable amt. His design takes way less time but takes more materials and makes 10-20% less.
Worth noting that his design takes half the space of the steam version. So you could theoretically have 2 fit into the same space as one of the Steam versions. A lot more materials, but a lot more output for the same amount of space.
@@vaercova for the same amt of wood I suppose, but judging based off of yield you could drop an entire row and it would yield about the same. No conveyers taking any space either. think they are about equal in regards to space usage with those both taken into account.
@@industrial-wave Not really. The steam version takes more of every material other than root seeds, which are the one material that you don't care about (the farm itself produces them). It needs more drills, and one drill can give you 20 conveyor belts. It needs more wires (more copper). For the same size, the only question is the padding tiles that stop wood from growing to where you don't want it to, but this should be comparable in number overall. It also takes more time and effort. It seems to be more efficient only in the factor of wood per seed. Basically, Dakon's current farm is 30% smaller (so needs to grow by 40%), while requiring 55% of tin, 33% of copper and 65% of filler. It only produces 17% less wood. If we'll assume linear scaling, it means it would require 77% of tin, 45% of copper and 91% of filler to produce 16% more wood. Of course, the above is just rough math based off of raw numbers and it may be some percent off here or there. But the chance of Steam one being more efficient in any way other than per seed is slim, to say the least.
See I saw a lot of spiciness on the subreddit regarding what wood farm is more efficient in the past week and IN MY NAIVETE, when you uploaded the tutorial I thought, oh good, this will be put to rest. UGH. Sorry people were like that and almost certainly will continue to be that way even after *this* video to some degree. As always, great info, good video!
its all good. can't please everyone. I actually got kind of hooked on other farm designs and I've tested 4 more designs since then. So far I still think mine is in the top, but there are several that are lateral moves from each other and work just fine. So there's no 1 winner. Which I think is good. Lets people choose the design they prefer.
I think I will stick with your design for the compactness. Allows me to squeeze it into my base and easily funnel it towards my shared storage. Though I do think I know of a way to fix the "broken spine" of the Steam wood farm that won't require you to restart it from scratch. Just plant a new root seed next to the missing root tile and make sure the only spot it can grow is into the broken segment. It should be able to rather quickly grow into that spot and fix the broken spine.
Counting the roots; yours is only 36 and theirs is 72, exactly double. The results are also strange, as being almost double the size they should produce double. Unfortunately we all see this is not true. The twice large farm only produces 1.3 more and is less efficient.
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I'm not so sure the steam design is actually better. It has 10 drills while yours only has 5 and is producing about 20% more. I'm also curious how a setup with a full 11 seeds on a single miner would fare.
Hey man, I appreciate the builds you come up with. Even if I don't use them all, they absolutely help in understanding some of the mechanics of the game. One thing to keep in mind about the "you're wrong" folks: politeness is certainly part of US culture, but it's very much not a feature of a lot of western cultures. You're probably also getting comments from your typical angry US gamer, but there are a number of countries where saying "You're wrong, here's the right way to do X", is the norm even for something subjective like a build.
I would be very interested to see how your farm design pits against the wiki one when they are both setup to cover the same space. I went for your design in my build as I was working with limited amount of space, so I was going to be able to fit in 15 roots vs 8 roots compared to the wiki one for the same space... and that would make your design WAY better when space is also a factor. For people like me who build my farms into my base design, I don't want to have huge, rolling farms and prefer things to be neat, tidy and compact.
i tried something similar. 8 roots in a line and the last 2 colums open for growing. then i could get drills on each column not only every 2nd as yours. normaly all roots will grow where space is so on each growthcycle in will have 8 wood. only problem is to have not the same growth timer.
I've actually been using the same as your design but i have a 10 drill setup and it definitely makes more than the steam version. Being compact doesn't matter for a solo player with so much real estate just in the starting area.
@theglobe2050 if you plant the root seed in the azeos, it's just normal wood. I know it looks different, but when you harvest, it's not any different.
I’m still pretty early game, just took down the wall. All I’m looking for in my wood farm right now, is turning it into planks and selling them. Already have 2 stacks of wood, really don’t need the extra. I make more from the wood farm than selling all extra equipment from my caveling/larva/slime/shroom farms combined in the same time period. Couple hundred coins from those, but near a thousand from turning wood to planks. I’m sure there’s better ways, but I’m not quite there yet.
Just wanna drop a comment and say thank You for these videos. I've been watching since the claws & paws update and It's been great, Try not to let the A**hats ruin your day and know that the guides and information You put out for this game is incredibly valuable and helpful. ♥
I have been inspired. So if you take your design, and trim off the bottom-most set of root stumps and use the drill-conveyor instead, you don't have to have conveyor belts down, which saves you a whole row of space on the longest dimension. This obviously impacts the output of the design (reduced by about 12%), but you can just barely make up for that by adding an extra column of seeds on the end. And all of this means the final design is... 4 tiles more compact... Whiiiiich is probably not enough for anyone to care, but maybe someone can make use of it.
Just a thought: If you get 10.250 wood and 270 seeds out of your wood farm, which is half the size of the other build, (12.200 wood, 370 seeds)... isn't your farm more efficient, because it is half the size? Double it, round about same space as the other farm and you have 20.500 wood and 540 seeds. Am I missing something? I'll build your farm, mirror it and rotate everything 90 degrees. :) Less time needed to walk from one mirrored wood farm to another. Love your content, mate! Thanks a lot for sharing your ideas. ;) Cheers
i like the steam design but not with that many roots only with one main roots from where will evolve 5 layers , and between each layer place a root and moving up to 5 roots of each layer
Couldn't you also move the drills in your set-up one to the right and rotate them 90 degrees so that they work in the same way that the steam community one works so you don't need a belt?
What I use was the steam design because it need less material when you start a new world. You don't need to have many seeds, also no belt neede. You could simply start with several seeds you just got from the new biome with a few drills and it will work. I would say your version is more space efficient and actually it is just minor difference by adding more seeds and change the drill location, which means that we can actually easily modify it from steam one to yours if we really need that much woods :D
1 drill takes 8 tin bars. 5 conveyor belts take 2 tin bars. Saving on conveyor belts by adding more drills is losing out on resources in every situation.
@@kikixchannel Check the original steam design. You only need 5 drill for optimal and 3 is totally fine. As I said, if you want to get more wood, you could move those 5 drills, add conveyor belt and attach more seeds to the end to become this design. They are pretty much similar.
I have an idea, not sure if you only attach more seeds to the drill location and change the drill orientation, but keep the backbone instead of removing it to add seeds there, would that be more efficient. Probably not but worth a try.
@@tevesw If you reduce the amount of drills you also reduce amount of everything else. Including production. It's not a discussion on whether you need these numbers. It's a discussion of how much you get over time with the same amount of resources put in. Although in this particular post...I just responded to you claiming that it's more efficient to use Steam one because there are no conveyor belts, which is a false argument the Steam version is less efficient per drill. As for your suggestions, I don't know what efficiency they would have. I didn't make either farm and I don't care much for checking the exact mechanics. I go off of what is visible on the video, so assuming that all variables are constant (or roughly constant), it can be scaled up and down by percentages to compare them. But if you completely change the mechanics it can no longer be scaled off of these.
Do I have a decent enough flow of wood coming in to do what I want it for, yes or no? I figure things out for myself and go with what works for me in the context of that games systems, fully understand that some folk get caught up in "being optimal" but to me that does kind of suck the fun out of a game. What I came up with is actually pretty close to yours, I can see it all on screen if needs be and the time it took to set up was barely noticeable because the core trunks were my initial farm from the first couple of hours playing. Works for me and that's all that really matters.
Im back, i think i have a design that is comparable in output, but significantly easier to set up. It will need more drills tho. But its only a 2 step build. Just setup, leave, come back finish it. The trick to these farms is really about how many of the sides of each root node can push into the root system and have a place to spawn a new root block within its range. As such a row of nodes all together only contribute 2 to the system. The ones at the top of the community build contribute 3. The shortcoming of the design in this video is the roots at the top, are only contributing 1. I'll try to make myself make a video on this, but i hate editing lol
This wood farm test was really interesting! And on my singleplayer map I also made a simplified version of it, with only 7 seeds, but seeing it on a larger scale you can see how efficient it is... Off Topic: Are the mob farm videos "up to date"? Or did something in 1.0 break or change any mob farming system? And, if possible, make a video that helps anyone who wants to do something efficient and decorative at the same time, without having to mix all the mobs in one place hahah!
The Steam Community one will have greater output because there's more drills, increasing the tick time where a space will be available for wood to grow. You could increase the speed of the drill to limit that factor or move the bottom line of your farm to another drill set. The single line might work more efficiently than the design shown if they were all connected by an unbroken line of wood. ie. [Drill][Wood][Wood][Seed] I wonder how that would work if added to the other builds. S=Seed, W=Wood, D=Drill, T=Tile [S][S][S][S][S] [W][W][W][W][W] [W][S][W][S][W] [W][S][W][S][W] [W][S][W][S][W] [W][S][W][S][W] [D][T][D][T][D]
Or with a front row as well which, based on the wood mechanics, should theoretically allow every Seed to grow against every drill? [S][S][S][S][S] [W][W][W][W][W] [W][S][W][S][W] [W][S][W][S][W] [W][S][W][S][W] [W][S][W][S][W] [W][W][W][W][W] [W][W][W][W][W] [D][D][D][D][D]
I tried your design (normally, was fine) but tried a new one with the drills on top- facing south... left it afk for 2 hours and got 30 wood.. I didn't think orientation matters but maybe it does? Anywho thanks for uploading!
Does anyone know the actual wood growth algorith? It shouldnt be hard to figure out which design is best if we actual know the rules for how wood grows. Given these results, it seems as though its all about having many nodes connected and limiting spread. So i think the nodes decide to grow on a game tick, then search the tree for a spot to put a new wood. This explains the steam community one being better. The limitation on the other design is when roots in the same cluster attempt to grow wood at the same time. The new wood growth pulse will have no where to go. Whereas the steam community one will have that next wood growth puls simply take place in the next column. If im correct in this, you could actually make your design have the same output by allowing 2 spaces for each column to grow into. Although that would take a lot more drills.
Im not sure how to find the info. I don't have any programming knowledge so I don't know how to look for it. Maybe someone who does can find the info though. I'm happy to add another space for growth and see what happens.
@DakonsMadhouse I do have programming knowledge and I've now watched enough content on this and read the stuff people have figured out and I'm confident I know it now. On random ticks roughly 5 mins apart root nodes can attempt to spawn a new root block. I believe the spawn goes like this. -choose a side to place the block, if this fails, do nothing. If the place was an existing root, traverse the root and attempt to place one randomly at each block after that. During this in the root phase, it doesn't fail, it keeps trying until it places one. Also it will only keep trying within a 5 block radius of itself, so at a certain limit, it will just stop trying. The reason the community farm is so good is because of that block radius. All the nodes have the opportunity to spawn into 4 different locations, as they can reach two columns over on each side while attempting to place a root block. Things you may want to improve would be stopping the initial failed spawns, when a root tries to spawn into another root. That just does nothing, circling each node completely would fix that, but it's an overall loss, because you'd get less nodes being able to reach your end points anyway. One improvement that could be worth it, is to have more spaces where wood can grow. For example allowing it to grow out of that spine at the back. Just incase another issue is multiple nodes attempting to spawn into the same space and blocking each other. You could line the spine with drills just like the front and that might produce more wood. But with the 5 block radius and this spawn method, the community build is pretty close to optimal. Obviously I don't know 100% I'm going off observation and my own knowledge and experience in coding and game design. But that's what it all looks like lol. Also, why do people need so much wood anyway? The stuff you mass produce isn't generally wood, least in my experience so far. Is it just to have a cheap thing to craft to max crafting?
posting this on your newer video I have a question I am trying to do your mob farm but I keep running into indestructible doors how do you get around this??
you talking about the doors from like the music and glow tulip rooms? If so those unfortunately can't be deleted without a mod. However there is a mod called Chat Commands which lets you remove objects and will delete those doors for you.
Yeah, I don't think this comparrison made much sense to me, the number of roots is irelevant, you are literally getting infinite seeds from the farm itself, so for a fair comparrison it should be based on the size of the farm, because you can simply, infinitely scale it upwards if you want more. So clearly, your design is by far the most efficient. and it can be easily scaled upwards of downwards. I just started playing this game 2 days ago, and i wanted to farm pearlwood to create a bunch of portals, I had only 6 seeds to begin with, and i made your design with only those 6 roots, it worked great, and I easily upgraded it with the seeds it produced.
I would agree with everyone else in comments. Why even compare farm potential by wood per seed, if seeds are as common as they can be. Even worst working farm in your vid made enough to make 5 more of wood farms if you need them, and in this case you will be thinking about how to make them take as little space as possible, and not how make more wood per each seed.
so im assuming from your setup that the mechanics for roots and wood growth pattern is that it tries to grow in any direction, so if all other direcitons are blocked you can choose/force it to go a certain way. So now since u like 10+ roots into 1 drill you make it grow fast as shit, sure there will always be like 5 roots ur not "farming" but u need it for the funnel. Also, do you lose any efficiency since the roots cant grow in other directions? or is it the same growth rate but in a controlled direction.
Got any wood mate?! 😅 Great work; I've added links to these videos to the top of my Steam guide. 😉 I can also DM you some pics of a even more space/drill efficient design I was working on before I hung up my pickaxe. If you've not had enough fun exploring the wood farm meta yet! 😜 [Edit: I put the main designs I was working on up on the guide too.]
Does the wood in this farm design also spit out the bugs? I was thinking about maybe putting the cattle beside it to let them chew down as drills work.
I have a question, why would i ever need such big farms? Coral and gleaming wood are used for 1 of things and wood will always be plenty after i maxed out crafting. Why do you think this big is better than lets say a 17 seed one (not just talking of net profit)
for coral and gleam wood you may not ever need a big farm. Regular wood you only really need a lot if you want to quickly raise your crafting (you can go from 0-100 crafting in less than 2 minutes with about 15k wood).
@@DakonsMadhouse Thanks C: if i can give you a video suggestion, i'm struggling a whole lot finding the paradise fruit tree in Azeos wilderness, you could do a video telling people where to find permanent health buff method to search how useful they are etc, for example i still am not sure how my live goes up and up
Couldn't the steam/community designed one be more efficient/effective if the root lanes were inverted? There are 10 lanes of creeping wood, 9 lanes of root seeds. If this were inverted to 10 lanes of root seeds and 9 creeping wood lanes, would it be more productive per hour spent? Also, I think the smaller design (zero gravitas/yours) wins out simply because it's smaller while still being nearly as effective (~590 wood/hour vs 705 wood/hour, or roughly 20% difference)
Spite and petiness are the greatest motivator 😈 Thanks for your investement and kudos for standing your ground but willing to put you theory to the test
if I make it the same size as the steam one I'll have double the roots. Its not possible to have the same root number and same size. Our designs are just too different.
Anyone having the root nodes on the compact version pop themselves up? (The original root block on top is an empty space with a seed floating after some time) I've had to replace it a few times and I don't know why. I've even removed the walls I had touching them and used floor planks and still they are an empty farm space and a floating seed after a few hrs. Edit: Yes I've properly set up the farm and thoroughly researched all I could on its mechanics
for normal wood I've had the roots get popped by branches growing if I leave it turned off for a few days, but if I break the branch and put the root seed back everything returns to normal. I sent it off to Pugstorm as a bug report because its not supposed to do that. Is this the same as what you're experiencing?
@@DakonsMadhouse my situation is more along the lines of: I followed the tutorial and listened to the mechanics and assembled the farm as instructed. Though on all three wood types I have the nodes break themselves, as if the root growing out is growing into the base nodes and popping them up. Though I don't know why bc I allow the main line of root to grow fully to determine direction but yet it will still grow back or sideways and break the originating nodes. So then I just come back to a seed sitting there. (I have a dedicated server and id say it happens about every 2-3 hrs as far as I've noticed unless a fellow player is fixing them between the times I notice)
Honestly dude i think your design is already to efficent lol. I set it up with the 8 normal wood 8 coral wood and 8 glimmering wood 4 planks per each type and the robot arms can't keep up with all of it lol.
Hopefully you see this @DakonsMadhouse. I did it! I made a have a wood farm that out produces the steam community farm and in less space! But it only barely putpaces it by about 1-2% however, letting my design occupy the same amount of space as the steam design it out performs it by a whopping 15%! I'm gunna make a video about it soon but but yeah 3 hour test run steam community build: 3382, my farm 3877. Also my old comment was way off lol, you do not want more connections to the root network. It's all about how many spaces each root block can reach to place a new growth.
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Your design is actually more efficient than the steam community one, as you didn't make them the same size, and due to its compactness, you can almost fit two of your design into the space that the steam community one takes.
thats true. I definitely don't think like an engineer. =P
Dakon's design is more space efficient (overall) but has a lower average yield per root seed. The math for potential extra output with the extra space in the steam design gets Dakon's design to about 14k wood, Dakon's is 117 tiles and steam is 168 tiles. Dakon's design gains about 15 more root seeds in that space and about a 42% - 43% increase in its production. Dakon's design is about 285 wood per seed and the steam design is about 333 wood per seed (with the videos time frame mind you). Most of the extra space in the steam design is in it's length being 21 long and 8 high (based on the floor tiles) and Dakon's design is 13 by 9 (including the conveyor belt in the height).
Now I find that the truly important thing is in the stacking potential of a wood farm (putting one on top of the other) and the steam design mirrors to 21 by 14 while Dakon's mirrors to 13 by 16. This is a decrease in the size gap average, one of each farm having a different of 51 tiles in size and the double being 86 tiles when the expectation in 102 tiles making the new size gap 16% smaller then in the single farm comparaisons. This makes the two designs on average equal in out put based on space with Dakon's design needing more root seeds.
The true tests however needs to be in layouts that use the maximum power range of an electric generator (signal strength of 25 tiles).
Nothing above is ingame tested it's rough math purely based on what's shown in the video.
I am just going to use Dakon's design due to the compact and modular layout.. I could easily "plug and play" the layout in more places than the Steam Community one.. I am lazy and I love compact modular layouts since I only need to figure out how to set it up once, then mindlessly slot that wherever I see fit.. For example: I can take Dakon's layout, flip it upside down, and make 2 farms share a single conveyor belt..
You could fit two farms but then it would be 70 root seeds vs 36 root seeds. Yes Dakon's farm is much more footprint friendly and tbh more aesthetically pleasing, but with roughly the same number of root seeds the steam design produced slightly more wood while using slightly less resources. Unfortunately that means for raw data so far that design is perhaps slightly more efficient. What would be interesting to see is exact timers for both construction and timers to see how much each farm takes to produce 1000 wood into the chest. I feel those numbers would help us to truly see which design is more efficient as well as maybe insights on how to improve this design and allow Dakon's farm to surpass the steam version.
@@Spydermike1 It is more efficient per root seed. However, it is less efficient in everything else.
It requires 10 drills (80 tin bars) versus Dakon's 5 drills and 8 conveyor belts (44 tin bars, and you're left with 2 conveyor belts) and 54 filler tiles (varies, based on what you use) versus Dakon's 35 (again, varies). I believe you also need 19 wires (they're not visible, I assume they're under the bottom stone path) which is 6 copper bar (and 2 wires left over) versus Dakon's 4 wires which is 2 copper and 2 wires left over. This is slightly more than half of the resources required. Meanwhile, the production is only ~17% lower. For a farm that is 117 tiles versus 168 (so only ~30% smaller, so no, you don't need to double the resources for Dakon's farm to fill the same space, you only need to increase it by about 40%).
Seeing as the seeds are product of the farms operation and Dakon's farm is quicker to set up and start producing wood...you're actually seriously losing in total wood production and resources, as portion of the extra seeds at least will be produced by his farm before you can start producing wood from the other one.
Thanks for the testing mate. Love to see it. If you feel frisky, id love to see a video on mob farms, like early, mid, and late. Reading the steam guide makes my eyes cross as someone who would just like a simple guide to a simple automated setup for slimes or cavelings.
Otherwise, great vid!
oh I have plans for more mob farm videos. so many plans. *queue evil laughter* But yes, they are coming. Im waiting for the devs to fix a pretty big spawn bug right now that really messes up mob farming.
@DakonsMadhouse my end goal is to make a fight pit with mobs lol😂
Size definitely matters (No one make a dick joke), in the space it takes to make the community one you can just stack 2 of the smaller ones, and then it would be the most efficient by far. if you make a 2000 x 2000 area for the farm it's obviously gonna yield more, doesn't mean it's more efficient, max height * max length / yield probably gives you a more accurate number
At the end of the day - the delta between your farm and the "optimized" steam farm is negligible, however your versions footprint and resource investment is much lower. My wood farm is just six drills setup opposite a single trunk node, and it generates probably maybe 50 wood an hour. that literally is all you'll ever need in my opinion; so that's what I built. My only recommendation to you my guy, don't even bother responding to trolls and disrespectful comments. Any seasoned internet-hater who is honest will tell you the only thing they hope to get out of it is a reaction - don't give it to them. Enjoying your content brother, keep your stick on the ice.
ya Im getting a thicker skin but I'm not there yet. I'm sure I will be soon.
@@DakonsMadhouseI love your vids but I will help you gain thicker skin…. Ahem
Get gud
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Mines quicker
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This design sucks
Hope this helps lol
I just wanted 99 crafting and your first video got me. Thanks bro
All that you said makes your wood farm far more space efficient. The resilience of your design compared to the fragile backbone of the community farm is what sold it to me though, can't risk doing a miss-click and just breaking the entire design and having to start over. I'm definitely copying your design. Thanks for making it!
Thank you for doing the science, was gonna start the laborious task of building the steam guide setup, your simplified version is more than adequate, and still nearly doubles the output of a very basic farm.
It appears that the major difference is that the steam version has all of the columns attached via the rear spine allowing for any growth to be able to generate to any free position
@tantricsausages7002 any free position *within a 5 block radius* which you can easily remember as out 4 over 3. So they can reach a couple columns over, but not all the way to any column
Bro you are making Core keeper Farm tutorials in a good way. Haven't seen much of this Content, keep up the good work :)
You can support the backbone of the steam design by reinforcing with either a row of root seeds or just a few behind the spine (I would do a root seed every other spot).
I remember commented on the first video for a comparison, thank you for making this video. I personally uses the basic design but compacted in half with a single conveyor in the middle. if the base line is 6k, then your design is at 50% more and the steam would be at 100% more per root seed/time. This is good. Thanks
I dont get the new people complaining when theyre coming to youtube watching people make farms because they cant think one themselves >:(
I personally value the size of the farm, i typically used to do a straight 4x10 line of wood farm for each wood type and call it a day, you wont need that much wood anyway if you are playing solo
people gotta complain about stuff. And I'm still working on that thicker skin. I'm getting there quick though.
Tldr; Time spent building vs material cost and production
Steam version takes more time to make by a large amt but produces 10-20% more and requires less materials by a notable amt.
His design takes way less time but takes more materials and makes 10-20% less.
Worth noting that his design takes half the space of the steam version. So you could theoretically have 2 fit into the same space as one of the Steam versions. A lot more materials, but a lot more output for the same amount of space.
@@vaercova for the same amt of wood I suppose, but judging based off of yield you could drop an entire row and it would yield about the same. No conveyers taking any space either. think they are about equal in regards to space usage with those both taken into account.
@@industrial-wave Not really. The steam version takes more of every material other than root seeds, which are the one material that you don't care about (the farm itself produces them). It needs more drills, and one drill can give you 20 conveyor belts. It needs more wires (more copper). For the same size, the only question is the padding tiles that stop wood from growing to where you don't want it to, but this should be comparable in number overall. It also takes more time and effort.
It seems to be more efficient only in the factor of wood per seed.
Basically, Dakon's current farm is 30% smaller (so needs to grow by 40%), while requiring 55% of tin, 33% of copper and 65% of filler. It only produces 17% less wood. If we'll assume linear scaling, it means it would require 77% of tin, 45% of copper and 91% of filler to produce 16% more wood.
Of course, the above is just rough math based off of raw numbers and it may be some percent off here or there. But the chance of Steam one being more efficient in any way other than per seed is slim, to say the least.
@@kikixchannel I ain't gonna research all that so I'll just assume you're right lol
Space and time is key
See I saw a lot of spiciness on the subreddit regarding what wood farm is more efficient in the past week and IN MY NAIVETE, when you uploaded the tutorial I thought, oh good, this will be put to rest. UGH. Sorry people were like that and almost certainly will continue to be that way even after *this* video to some degree. As always, great info, good video!
its all good. can't please everyone. I actually got kind of hooked on other farm designs and I've tested 4 more designs since then. So far I still think mine is in the top, but there are several that are lateral moves from each other and work just fine. So there's no 1 winner. Which I think is good. Lets people choose the design they prefer.
I think I will stick with your design for the compactness. Allows me to squeeze it into my base and easily funnel it towards my shared storage.
Though I do think I know of a way to fix the "broken spine" of the Steam wood farm that won't require you to restart it from scratch. Just plant a new root seed next to the missing root tile and make sure the only spot it can grow is into the broken segment. It should be able to rather quickly grow into that spot and fix the broken spine.
Counting the roots; yours is only 36 and theirs is 72, exactly double. The results are also strange, as being almost double the size they should produce double. Unfortunately we all see this is not true. The twice large farm only produces 1.3 more and is less efficient.
not sure what you are counting as roots, unless you meant trunk pieces, but he uses 35 seeds, steam design is 36 seeds.
Honestly i love your Attitude Mate. Not many "influencer" have the Balls to Tell some of their viewers to "shut Up". Love it.
PS: Just found your Channel since CK launched for console and i replay it❤ learned so much compared to back in the days ❤
I'm not so sure the steam design is actually better. It has 10 drills while yours only has 5 and is producing about 20% more. I'm also curious how a setup with a full 11 seeds on a single miner would fare.
I like your design more because it adds in the ability to auto make planks.
Hey man, I appreciate the builds you come up with. Even if I don't use them all, they absolutely help in understanding some of the mechanics of the game.
One thing to keep in mind about the "you're wrong" folks: politeness is certainly part of US culture, but it's very much not a feature of a lot of western cultures. You're probably also getting comments from your typical angry US gamer, but there are a number of countries where saying "You're wrong, here's the right way to do X", is the norm even for something subjective like a build.
thats definitely something I'll try to keep in mind. Thank you.
any chance of a mob farm guide for 1.0? :)
its coming.
@@DakonsMadhouse awesome! thank you
I would be very interested to see how your farm design pits against the wiki one when they are both setup to cover the same space. I went for your design in my build as I was working with limited amount of space, so I was going to be able to fit in 15 roots vs 8 roots compared to the wiki one for the same space... and that would make your design WAY better when space is also a factor.
For people like me who build my farms into my base design, I don't want to have huge, rolling farms and prefer things to be neat, tidy and compact.
Thanks for the videos, keep uploading really good content.
i tried something similar. 8 roots in a line and the last 2 colums open for growing. then i could get drills on each column not only every 2nd as yours. normaly all roots will grow where space is so on each growthcycle in will have 8 wood. only problem is to have not the same growth timer.
Could you make a video on how to make your wood farm? I like yours way better than the steam one. Great content, new sub here (:
Yea I like your design better. In the future can you make a video about where is the best places to put each crafting station
I've actually been using the same as your design but i have a 10 drill setup and it definitely makes more than the steam version. Being compact doesn't matter for a solo player with so much real estate just in the starting area.
I upgraded to 20 drills and turned it off because I have too much wood now on a new 1.0 world.
If i grow root seeds in Azeos it would be normal wood or thorn wood? If u could make thorn wood that would be a very good money farm also
@@theglobe2050 thorn wood was removed. It's just normal wood now
@@DakonsMadhouse i meant not the deleted item but the placed in world version that u can find while being in Wilderness. Is it growable?
@theglobe2050 if you plant the root seed in the azeos, it's just normal wood. I know it looks different, but when you harvest, it's not any different.
I’m still pretty early game, just took down the wall. All I’m looking for in my wood farm right now, is turning it into planks and selling them. Already have 2 stacks of wood, really don’t need the extra. I make more from the wood farm than selling all extra equipment from my caveling/larva/slime/shroom farms combined in the same time period. Couple hundred coins from those, but near a thousand from turning wood to planks.
I’m sure there’s better ways, but I’m not quite there yet.
Just wanna drop a comment and say thank You for these videos. I've been watching since the claws & paws update and It's been great, Try not to let the A**hats ruin your day and know that the guides and information You put out for this game is incredibly valuable and helpful. ♥
Nice informations! Thank you for summing up!
I have been inspired.
So if you take your design, and trim off the bottom-most set of root stumps and use the drill-conveyor instead, you don't have to have conveyor belts down, which saves you a whole row of space on the longest dimension.
This obviously impacts the output of the design (reduced by about 12%), but you can just barely make up for that by adding an extra column of seeds on the end.
And all of this means the final design is... 4 tiles more compact... Whiiiiich is probably not enough for anyone to care, but maybe someone can make use of it.
Just a thought: If you get 10.250 wood and 270 seeds out of your wood farm, which is half the size of the other build, (12.200 wood, 370 seeds)... isn't your farm more efficient, because it is half the size? Double it, round about same space as the other farm and you have 20.500 wood and 540 seeds. Am I missing something?
I'll build your farm, mirror it and rotate everything 90 degrees. :) Less time needed to walk from one mirrored wood farm to another. Love your content, mate! Thanks a lot for sharing your ideas. ;) Cheers
i like the steam design but not with that many roots only with one main roots from where will evolve 5 layers , and between each layer place a root and moving up to 5 roots of each layer
As someone who hasn't even beaten the Third first boss I like yours the most from everything I've seen
Couldn't you also move the drills in your set-up one to the right and rotate them 90 degrees so that they work in the same way that the steam community one works so you don't need a belt?
It wouldn't require you to remove any seeds and it should be an even smaller footprint as well due to no conveyors
I could but they will be 6 tiles away from the top roots so the top roots wont ever grow into that spot, taking 5 roots out of the equation.
I love your design more than the rest
What I use was the steam design because it need less material when you start a new world. You don't need to have many seeds, also no belt neede. You could simply start with several seeds you just got from the new biome with a few drills and it will work. I would say your version is more space efficient and actually it is just minor difference by adding more seeds and change the drill location, which means that we can actually easily modify it from steam one to yours if we really need that much woods :D
1 drill takes 8 tin bars. 5 conveyor belts take 2 tin bars. Saving on conveyor belts by adding more drills is losing out on resources in every situation.
@@kikixchannel Check the original steam design. You only need 5 drill for optimal and 3 is totally fine. As I said, if you want to get more wood, you could move those 5 drills, add conveyor belt and attach more seeds to the end to become this design. They are pretty much similar.
I have an idea, not sure if you only attach more seeds to the drill location and change the drill orientation, but keep the backbone instead of removing it to add seeds there, would that be more efficient. Probably not but worth a try.
@@tevesw If you reduce the amount of drills you also reduce amount of everything else. Including production.
It's not a discussion on whether you need these numbers. It's a discussion of how much you get over time with the same amount of resources put in.
Although in this particular post...I just responded to you claiming that it's more efficient to use Steam one because there are no conveyor belts, which is a false argument the Steam version is less efficient per drill.
As for your suggestions, I don't know what efficiency they would have. I didn't make either farm and I don't care much for checking the exact mechanics. I go off of what is visible on the video, so assuming that all variables are constant (or roughly constant), it can be scaled up and down by percentages to compare them. But if you completely change the mechanics it can no longer be scaled off of these.
Do I have a decent enough flow of wood coming in to do what I want it for, yes or no?
I figure things out for myself and go with what works for me in the context of that games systems, fully understand that some folk get caught up in "being optimal" but to me that does kind of suck the fun out of a game. What I came up with is actually pretty close to yours, I can see it all on screen if needs be and the time it took to set up was barely noticeable because the core trunks were my initial farm from the first couple of hours playing.
Works for me and that's all that really matters.
The one you made is perfect for space management the others are just for late game when you already have all the wood
Im back, i think i have a design that is comparable in output, but significantly easier to set up. It will need more drills tho. But its only a 2 step build. Just setup, leave, come back finish it.
The trick to these farms is really about how many of the sides of each root node can push into the root system and have a place to spawn a new root block within its range. As such a row of nodes all together only contribute 2 to the system. The ones at the top of the community build contribute 3. The shortcoming of the design in this video is the roots at the top, are only contributing 1. I'll try to make myself make a video on this, but i hate editing lol
Thank you very much. Appreciate the work.
This wood farm test was really interesting! And on my singleplayer map I also made a simplified version of it, with only 7 seeds, but seeing it on a larger scale you can see how efficient it is...
Off Topic: Are the mob farm videos "up to date"? Or did something in 1.0 break or change any mob farming system?
And, if possible, make a video that helps anyone who wants to do something efficient and decorative at the same time, without having to mix all the mobs in one place hahah!
The Steam Community one will have greater output because there's more drills, increasing the tick time where a space will be available for wood to grow. You could increase the speed of the drill to limit that factor or move the bottom line of your farm to another drill set.
The single line might work more efficiently than the design shown if they were all connected by an unbroken line of wood. ie. [Drill][Wood][Wood][Seed]
I wonder how that would work if added to the other builds. S=Seed, W=Wood, D=Drill, T=Tile
[S][S][S][S][S]
[W][W][W][W][W]
[W][S][W][S][W]
[W][S][W][S][W]
[W][S][W][S][W]
[W][S][W][S][W]
[D][T][D][T][D]
Or with a front row as well which, based on the wood mechanics, should theoretically allow every Seed to grow against every drill?
[S][S][S][S][S]
[W][W][W][W][W]
[W][S][W][S][W]
[W][S][W][S][W]
[W][S][W][S][W]
[W][S][W][S][W]
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I tried your design (normally, was fine) but tried a new one with the drills on top- facing south... left it afk for 2 hours and got 30 wood.. I didn't think orientation matters but maybe it does? Anywho thanks for uploading!
Does anyone know the actual wood growth algorith? It shouldnt be hard to figure out which design is best if we actual know the rules for how wood grows.
Given these results, it seems as though its all about having many nodes connected and limiting spread. So i think the nodes decide to grow on a game tick, then search the tree for a spot to put a new wood. This explains the steam community one being better.
The limitation on the other design is when roots in the same cluster attempt to grow wood at the same time. The new wood growth pulse will have no where to go. Whereas the steam community one will have that next wood growth puls simply take place in the next column.
If im correct in this, you could actually make your design have the same output by allowing 2 spaces for each column to grow into. Although that would take a lot more drills.
Im not sure how to find the info. I don't have any programming knowledge so I don't know how to look for it. Maybe someone who does can find the info though.
I'm happy to add another space for growth and see what happens.
@DakonsMadhouse I do have programming knowledge and I've now watched enough content on this and read the stuff people have figured out and I'm confident I know it now.
On random ticks roughly 5 mins apart root nodes can attempt to spawn a new root block. I believe the spawn goes like this.
-choose a side to place the block, if this fails, do nothing.
If the place was an existing root, traverse the root and attempt to place one randomly at each block after that. During this in the root phase, it doesn't fail, it keeps trying until it places one.
Also it will only keep trying within a 5 block radius of itself, so at a certain limit, it will just stop trying.
The reason the community farm is so good is because of that block radius. All the nodes have the opportunity to spawn into 4 different locations, as they can reach two columns over on each side while attempting to place a root block.
Things you may want to improve would be stopping the initial failed spawns, when a root tries to spawn into another root. That just does nothing, circling each node completely would fix that, but it's an overall loss, because you'd get less nodes being able to reach your end points anyway.
One improvement that could be worth it, is to have more spaces where wood can grow. For example allowing it to grow out of that spine at the back. Just incase another issue is multiple nodes attempting to spawn into the same space and blocking each other. You could line the spine with drills just like the front and that might produce more wood.
But with the 5 block radius and this spawn method, the community build is pretty close to optimal.
Obviously I don't know 100% I'm going off observation and my own knowledge and experience in coding and game design. But that's what it all looks like lol.
Also, why do people need so much wood anyway? The stuff you mass produce isn't generally wood, least in my experience so far. Is it just to have a cheap thing to craft to max crafting?
would love for you to make another video about storage/sorting! especially a horizontal sorting system
posting this on your newer video I have a question I am trying to do your mob farm but I keep running into indestructible doors how do you get around this??
you talking about the doors from like the music and glow tulip rooms? If so those unfortunately can't be deleted without a mod. However there is a mod called Chat Commands which lets you remove objects and will delete those doors for you.
@@DakonsMadhouse thanks a bunch!
Yeah, I don't think this comparrison made much sense to me, the number of roots is irelevant, you are literally getting infinite seeds from the farm itself, so for a fair comparrison it should be based on the size of the farm, because you can simply, infinitely scale it upwards if you want more. So clearly, your design is by far the most efficient. and it can be easily scaled upwards of downwards.
I just started playing this game 2 days ago, and i wanted to farm pearlwood to create a bunch of portals, I had only 6 seeds to begin with, and i made your design with only those 6 roots, it worked great, and I easily upgraded it with the seeds it produced.
Will this add your mining skill?
beginer here, do you leave game running or it collects stuff while you are logged out?
leave it running
I would agree with everyone else in comments. Why even compare farm potential by wood per seed, if seeds are as common as they can be. Even worst working farm in your vid made enough to make 5 more of wood farms if you need them, and in this case you will be thinking about how to make them take as little space as possible, and not how make more wood per each seed.
so im assuming from your setup that the mechanics for roots and wood growth pattern is that it tries to grow in any direction, so if all other direcitons are blocked you can choose/force it to go a certain way. So now since u like 10+ roots into 1 drill you make it grow fast as shit, sure there will always be like 5 roots ur not "farming" but u need it for the funnel. Also, do you lose any efficiency since the roots cant grow in other directions? or is it the same growth rate but in a controlled direction.
same growth rate, just controlled into 1-3 choke points for easier harvesting.
Got any wood mate?! 😅 Great work; I've added links to these videos to the top of my Steam guide. 😉
I can also DM you some pics of a even more space/drill efficient design I was working on before I hung up my pickaxe. If you've not had enough fun exploring the wood farm meta yet! 😜 [Edit: I put the main designs I was working on up on the guide too.]
hey hey Zero! I'll always take more designs from you. Always happy to talk to you brother.
I get what you're saying you're wanting people to give you constructive criticism not just bashing you on your designs makes perfect sense
My question is, would you get more out of it with sprinklers?
you would not. you only need water the roots and since the roots are never harvested, you only need to water them once.
Does the wood in this farm design also spit out the bugs? I was thinking about maybe putting the cattle beside it to let them chew down as drills work.
ya wood attracts beetles and I think 1 or 2 other bugs so you can totally do that.
I have a question, why would i ever need such big farms? Coral and gleaming wood are used for 1 of things and wood will always be plenty after i maxed out crafting.
Why do you think this big is better than lets say a 17 seed one (not just talking of net profit)
for coral and gleam wood you may not ever need a big farm. Regular wood you only really need a lot if you want to quickly raise your crafting (you can go from 0-100 crafting in less than 2 minutes with about 15k wood).
@@DakonsMadhouse Thanks C: if i can give you a video suggestion, i'm struggling a whole lot finding the paradise fruit tree in Azeos wilderness, you could do a video telling people where to find permanent health buff method to search how useful they are etc, for example i still am not sure how my live goes up and up
I need a lot of coral wood cuz I'm planning to make a portal system. Need like, a 100 coral plank each.
Could you do a video on the different complexities and stages of mob farms in 1.0? Like a mechanical parts farm for example.
oh yes I have a whole series planned! there are SO many spawning bugs right now Im hoping most get fixed in the first major update.
Couldn't the steam/community designed one be more efficient/effective if the root lanes were inverted? There are 10 lanes of creeping wood, 9 lanes of root seeds. If this were inverted to 10 lanes of root seeds and 9 creeping wood lanes, would it be more productive per hour spent?
Also, I think the smaller design (zero gravitas/yours) wins out simply because it's smaller while still being nearly as effective (~590 wood/hour vs 705 wood/hour, or roughly 20% difference)
Spite and petiness are the greatest motivator 😈 Thanks for your investement and kudos for standing your ground but willing to put you theory to the test
does it make a difference when using the scarlet drill?
nothing. its just personal preference. crude drills are fine.
Make yours the same size as steams and with the same amount of roots and try again
if I make it the same size as the steam one I'll have double the roots. Its not possible to have the same root number and same size. Our designs are just too different.
My game randomly crashes lately, anyone have the same issue and knows something to fix it?
how did you set up your wood farm?
I have a video for it that I published the day before this one. it has the details on construction.
Is this the wood farm from your last wood farm vid?
ya
Anyone having the root nodes on the compact version pop themselves up? (The original root block on top is an empty space with a seed floating after some time) I've had to replace it a few times and I don't know why. I've even removed the walls I had touching them and used floor planks and still they are an empty farm space and a floating seed after a few hrs. Edit: Yes I've properly set up the farm and thoroughly researched all I could on its mechanics
for normal wood I've had the roots get popped by branches growing if I leave it turned off for a few days, but if I break the branch and put the root seed back everything returns to normal. I sent it off to Pugstorm as a bug report because its not supposed to do that.
Is this the same as what you're experiencing?
@@DakonsMadhouse my situation is more along the lines of: I followed the tutorial and listened to the mechanics and assembled the farm as instructed. Though on all three wood types I have the nodes break themselves, as if the root growing out is growing into the base nodes and popping them up. Though I don't know why bc I allow the main line of root to grow fully to determine direction but yet it will still grow back or sideways and break the originating nodes. So then I just come back to a seed sitting there. (I have a dedicated server and id say it happens about every 2-3 hrs as far as I've noticed unless a fellow player is fixing them between the times I notice)
why not just add 2 layers of wood and space out the drills to every 3 blocks apart?
i have problems that the items dont go trough the drill anyone expirenced that ?
Let them disagree, i have thousands of wood and planks I prob will never use 😭and im making both with one set up!
Dude yours is better
Its like half the size
Don't listen to them. Just have fun with the game.
Nice
Honestly dude i think your design is already to efficent lol. I set it up with the 8 normal wood 8 coral wood and 8 glimmering wood 4 planks per each type and the robot arms can't keep up with all of it lol.
troll the haters
Ignore all crybaby and self haters.
you talk way too much about nothing. Stick to the content of the video not your opinions.
It's HIS video, if you don't like how he does his stuff NOBODY is making you watch it
And your comment complains way too much about a non-problem. He talks about what he thinks about certain wood farms aka his opinion.
what is your problem? wtf
Calm down guy.
0:33 this turned me off to the video. Now it seems like I need to revisit it 🤦
Hopefully you see this @DakonsMadhouse. I did it! I made a have a wood farm that out produces the steam community farm and in less space! But it only barely putpaces it by about 1-2% however, letting my design occupy the same amount of space as the steam design it out performs it by a whopping 15%!
I'm gunna make a video about it soon but but yeah 3 hour test run steam community build: 3382, my farm 3877. Also my old comment was way off lol, you do not want more connections to the root network. It's all about how many spaces each root block can reach to place a new growth.