Another slight nitpick (sorry). So CSXT/B&O 8595 was the last of 20 units assigned to the B&O before it was merged into CSXT. The merger with the C&O, which took place back in 1963, did not end B&O's corporate existence. That didn't happen until April 30, 1987. The Chessie System was a holding company and not itself a rail entity. The SD50:s that ended up being assigned to the B&O (as well as the C&O and SBD) were ordered by its parent company CSX Corp. which came into being on November 1st, 1980 by the merging of Chessie System Inc. and Seaboard Coast Line Industries.
Just a tip, the SD45's we're from the mid 60s about 6 years before the dash 7, the SD40 is the competition for the dash 7. Unless your referring to the SD45-2 lol
Love your videos big CSX fan here and I agree they can be annoying sometimes lol. SD50 is one of my favorite locomotives and especially in the Chessie System paint scheme I have several in my collection. Chessie system was formed in 1973 by the merger of the C&O, B&O and Western Maryland. In 1980 Chessie merged with the seaboard coast line to form CSX but the railroads still operated independently until 1987 when it officially became CSX and all the engines started to be repainted. I remember as a kid seeing lots of chessie system locomotives as well as seaboard. In your video you mention that some of the Chessie sd50’s were C&O and some were B&O, whenever Chessie system ordered new locomotives they always ordered a certain amount B&O and C&O. As was the case with the SD50 and I know after 1987 CSX took delivery of of some painted in YN2. Anyway sorry to ramble look forward to watching more of your videos!
Not sure about the RPM info mentioned in the video. The figures were 904 RPM maximum and 318 RPM min. The sixteen cylinder 645 had a max RPM 950 and an idle speed of 210 RPM. One of the reason for the engines reliability problems was the increase of the max RPMs by 50.
@@buccaneerrailfanning1776 Thanks for video. A lot of these locomotive had long lives once the max revolutions were dropped to 900 RPM. Yes, they spent there lives as 3100 to 3200 HP locomotives. As 3500 to 3600 HP locomotives they were failures.
EMD should have used a larger engine(whether it be a V-16 design that was larger the the V-16 on the 40-2, or a V18 still efficient enough to compete with the Dash 7s. That’s exactly how the SD80MAC worked and the 90 didn’t. The case of the SD50 is the equivalent of trying to make a 70MAC put out 5,000 horsepower.
The 645 V20's in the SD45's were a nightmare.The weight of the engine block caused stress on the frames over time due to vibration and that's why they always had fractures.They were notorious for damaging crankshafts too.That's why most of them were rebuilt as SD45R's and SD40M-2's with 645 V16's just like the SD40-2's. For the 645 powered locomotives,anything more massive than a V16 never worked,the SD45's are a prime example of that. The SD50's just like the GP50's would've been fine if EMD didn't try to maximise the horsepower rating on them.Two stroke diesel engines constantly run at high RPM no matter what,too much horsepower but not enough displacement is asking for trouble.They also have a difficult time intaking air and that's why EMD has always used roots blowers on their prime movers. That entire situation is why EMD debuted the 710 V16's,starting with the GP60's & SD60's being the first to have them at 3,800 HP in comparison to the pushed 645 V16's that had 3,600 HP. The -7's from GE weren't that great either,they had enough power but not enough traction and that is why they repeatedly had wheel slippage,espiecally on any consist.It was difficult to have them on a manifest unless another locomotive was used as a supporter or buffer in the lead area,or simply there is just a mash up of power to supply enough traction effort. The SD80MAC's all had 710 V20's and have been the only successful locomotives with the highest horsepower and using twenty cylinders. The GE AC6000CW's were only good for a short time because they continuously had back pressure errors on the turbochargers and needed replacements every three months.The SD90MAC's before being derated into SD9043MAC's,then rebuilt now as SD70ACU's,were rushed just like the GP50's & SD50's because EMD was too eager to stay in competition with GE.This caused dislike in their partnership with GM who was their affiliation and subsidiary for many years.
@@RiverLineProductions Thank you! I've got some of my own of the OCS so hopefully it will be easier to get footage on. Do you have videos on the 80MAcs?
Hey @Bucanneer Railfanning I would like to see another EMD locomotive.. i’m preferring the SD60I and SD60M. Almost all of them are retired or got sold off to different railroads. There is one CSX SD60 I that I know of that is in a storage line in Cumberland #8763
I don’t know why but I’ve always liked the SD50, I feel like it could have been great if they worked the bugs out of it. I know the old standard cab designs were worse than the wide cab today but I’ve always loved the look
I've seen some CSX trains on the River Line but in the past in the 2000s I did see a few CSX on the Northern Branch Bergen County Nj when CSX trains use to run Local freight to Piermont yard I've seen a C40-8 and a U-boat Csx train in Creskill Nj running light another time I saw a Classic SD40-2 from CSX it was a YN2 Locomotive pulling some tanker cars by Over Peack Nj near by Ridgefield Nj that Branch line is Abandoned but there sometimes CSX comes from CP5 By North Bergen yard on a Spur
But CSX use to go through Closter NJ to pick up some cars and return south back to North Bergen Nj unfortunately tracks are cut off probably next block over in Closter Nj now is a Walking path or Railtrail the other tracks are in Norwood Nj and North Vale Nj Old Tappan and Tappan NY near by Piermont NY yard and I've seen Piermonts yard
The C&NW had 35 of them as well the UP did not renew the lease on the SD50s in 2002 they instead bought 500 more flared radiator SD70M to the first 1000 they got in 1999 the SD50 was the prototype to the new 710 SD60 which was the birth of a 710 prime mover and that saved EMD but when the GEs get older they become junk and retire most of them while EMD lasts longer
Actually,the GE units have been lasting longer than EMD units for more than thirty years. The GP60's & SD60's helped EMD recover but the GE -8's proved to be better on tractive effort,dynamic braking,and the introduction of microprocessors and wheel slippage prevention. The problem with EMD units and higher horsepower is the fact that the motors have always been two stroke. Two stroke diesels at some point require increases in displacement in order to strongly perform with higher horsepower. That's exactly what happened with the 645F3's in the GP50's & SD50's. The EPA regulations discontinued EMD motors because of high carbon footprint. However ALCO & GE never had that issue because of being four stroke,better power at lower RPM and less displacement,while GE was always more technologically advanced. EMD's last mistake was building the SD90MAC's which was far worse than what happened with the GP50's & SD50's. The worst leading into that was CAT/PRLX buying EMD. EMD units get retired and just remain in storage or get scrapped. GE units have been getting more rebuilds done thanks to Wabtec Relco taking over the company. The last great units were the EMD GP40-2's & SD40-2's which have survived and outlived everything else. GE is practically the way of the future,not EMD anymore.
@@railfanmaximstill7279 Alot of people have asked for the tier 4 gevos, but I've already done a video on the ES44AH, only thing there is to add is that it is just a tier 4 emissions version of the ES44AH.
I don't think the trucks were self-steering. They were slightly modified versions of the classic HT-C, but not self-steering. Also you listed C&O, B&O *and* "Cheese System" as original purchasers, but you're double counting as the C&O and B&O were the Chessie System.
Awesome video! Very informative! I miss seeing the SD50's roaming around like they use to back in the 2000's-2010's when I use to railfan Kenova, WV
Nice shoutout to #8595! She needs to be saved and returned to her hometown of Baltimore!
Paint it black is a good song 🎧
Another slight nitpick (sorry). So CSXT/B&O 8595 was the last of 20 units assigned to the B&O before it was merged into CSXT. The merger with the C&O, which took place back in 1963, did not end B&O's corporate existence. That didn't happen until April 30, 1987. The Chessie System was a holding company and not itself a rail entity. The SD50:s that ended up being assigned to the B&O (as well as the C&O and SBD) were ordered by its parent company CSX Corp. which came into being on November 1st, 1980 by the merging of Chessie System Inc. and Seaboard Coast Line Industries.
I’ve only seen 1, 8662. Happy to have seen of these things
Should I remake a roblox engine of csx of sd50 (sd50-2
Just a tip, the SD45's we're from the mid 60s about 6 years before the dash 7, the SD40 is the competition for the dash 7. Unless your referring to the SD45-2 lol
Awesome video! Looks like you worked hard on this one. Nice RS5T action
The next one will burn me out for sure!
F40PHs are up next!
@@buccaneerrailfanning1776 I have some footage you can use for that.
Love the k5lla on the one SD50! Keep up the good work. - Ohio Railfann
I saw 8619 a couple days ago. Its definitely a different feeling seeing something thats 1.so rare and 2.done so much damage
Love your videos big CSX fan here and I agree they can be annoying sometimes lol. SD50 is one of my favorite locomotives and especially in the Chessie System paint scheme I have several in my collection.
Chessie system was formed in 1973 by the merger of the C&O, B&O and Western Maryland. In 1980 Chessie merged with the seaboard coast line to form CSX but the railroads still operated independently until 1987 when it officially became CSX and all the engines started to be repainted. I remember as a kid seeing lots of chessie system locomotives as well as seaboard.
In your video you mention that some of the Chessie sd50’s were C&O and some were B&O, whenever Chessie system ordered new locomotives they always ordered a certain amount B&O and C&O. As was the case with the SD50 and I know after 1987 CSX took delivery of of some painted in YN2. Anyway sorry to ramble look forward to watching more of your videos!
Now A CNW SD50 is getting preserved at the Illinois Railroad Museum.
Ive seen 2 SD50-2s this year
Finally caught a dash 3 on a work train yesterday, totally unexpected!
*8526 is currently one of the SD50-3s active there's a few more but I do not know the numbers*
Very nice! We just had a SD50 leader come through my area!
Hopefully one of these days I can go see one for myself before I ship off to army boot camp
@@buccaneerrailfanning1776 I hope you have to opportunity too my friend!
Not sure about the RPM info mentioned in the video. The figures were 904 RPM maximum and 318 RPM min. The sixteen cylinder 645 had a max RPM 950 and an idle speed of 210 RPM. One of the reason for the engines reliability problems was the increase of the max RPMs by 50.
I got it from The diesel shop
@@buccaneerrailfanning1776 Thanks for video. A lot of these locomotive had long lives once the max revolutions were dropped to 900 RPM. Yes, they spent there lives as 3100 to 3200 HP locomotives. As 3500 to 3600 HP locomotives they were failures.
EMD should have used a larger engine(whether it be a V-16 design that was larger the the V-16 on the 40-2, or a V18 still efficient enough to compete with the Dash 7s. That’s exactly how the SD80MAC worked and the 90 didn’t. The case of the SD50 is the equivalent of trying to make a 70MAC put out 5,000 horsepower.
The 645 V20's in the SD45's were a nightmare.The weight of the engine block caused stress on the frames over time due to vibration and that's why they always had fractures.They were notorious for damaging crankshafts too.That's why most of them were rebuilt as SD45R's and SD40M-2's with 645 V16's just like the SD40-2's.
For the 645 powered locomotives,anything more massive than a V16 never worked,the SD45's are a prime example of that.
The SD50's just like the GP50's would've been fine if EMD didn't try to maximise the horsepower rating on them.Two stroke diesel engines constantly run at high RPM no matter what,too much horsepower but not enough displacement is asking for trouble.They also have a difficult time intaking air and that's why EMD has always used roots blowers on their prime movers.
That entire situation is why EMD debuted the 710 V16's,starting with the GP60's & SD60's being the first to have them at 3,800 HP in comparison to the pushed 645 V16's that had 3,600 HP.
The -7's from GE weren't that great either,they had enough power but not enough traction and that is why they repeatedly had wheel slippage,espiecally on any consist.It was difficult to have them on a manifest unless another locomotive was used as a supporter or buffer in the lead area,or simply there is just a mash up of power to supply enough traction effort.
The SD80MAC's all had 710 V20's and have been the only successful locomotives with the highest horsepower and using twenty cylinders.
The GE AC6000CW's were only good for a short time because they continuously had back pressure errors on the turbochargers and needed replacements every three months.The SD90MAC's before being derated into SD9043MAC's,then rebuilt now as SD70ACU's,were rushed just like the GP50's & SD50's because EMD was too eager to stay in competition with GE.This caused dislike in their partnership with GM who was their affiliation and subsidiary for many years.
3:56 We got SAHC SD50 Before Gta 6 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Nice video! Very informative! Fun to see some of my older shots again lol
I'll be honest, you had some great shots! Especially that RS5T unit. I'm thinking of doing the F40PH-2S, what would you think?
@@buccaneerrailfanning1776 you should do the et44ac
@@buccaneerrailfanning1776 That would be awesome! You’re Welcome to use any shots I have of the OCS with the F40s if you would like!
@@RiverLineProductions Thank you! I've got some of my own of the OCS so hopefully it will be easier to get footage on. Do you have videos on the 80MAcs?
@@buccaneerrailfanning1776 unfortunately those were a bit to early for my channel, I have a decent amount of footage from NS but no CSX
Easy to tell Susquehanna had SD60S in 2012
Hey @Bucanneer Railfanning I would like to see another EMD locomotive.. i’m preferring the SD60I and SD60M. Almost all of them are retired or got sold off to different railroads. There is one CSX SD60 I that I know of that is in a storage line in Cumberland #8763
I don’t know why but I’ve always liked the SD50, I feel like it could have been great if they worked the bugs out of it. I know the old standard cab designs were worse than the wide cab today but I’ve always loved the look
i like standered cabs as well as wide
I remember the sd50 that CSX had
I've seen some CSX trains on the River Line but in the past in the 2000s I did see a few CSX on the Northern Branch Bergen County Nj when CSX trains use to run Local freight to Piermont yard I've seen a C40-8 and a U-boat Csx train in Creskill Nj running light another time I saw a Classic SD40-2 from CSX it was a YN2 Locomotive pulling some tanker cars by Over Peack Nj near by Ridgefield Nj that Branch line is Abandoned but there sometimes CSX comes from CP5 By North Bergen yard on a Spur
But CSX use to go through Closter NJ to pick up some cars and return south back to North Bergen Nj unfortunately tracks are cut off probably next block over in Closter Nj now is a Walking path or Railtrail the other tracks are in Norwood Nj and North Vale Nj Old Tappan and Tappan NY near by Piermont NY yard and I've seen Piermonts yard
A lot of CSX trains SD60s C36-7s C40-s and GP38-2s
Conrail was involved on the Northern Branch and probably Penn central that year in the past
2:32 and Union Pacific
What about Missouri Pacific?
Great video! Im happy that i was able to help!
Great informative video! While I’ve never seen an SD50 unit, I hope to see one.. one of these days.
The C&NW had 35 of them as well the UP did not renew the lease on the SD50s in 2002 they instead bought 500 more flared radiator SD70M to the first 1000 they got in 1999 the SD50 was the prototype to the new 710 SD60 which was the birth of a 710 prime mover and that saved EMD but when the GEs get older they become junk and retire most of them while EMD lasts longer
Actually,the GE units have been lasting longer than EMD units for more than thirty years. The GP60's & SD60's helped EMD recover but the GE -8's proved to be better on tractive effort,dynamic braking,and the introduction of microprocessors and wheel slippage prevention. The problem with EMD units and higher horsepower is the fact that the motors have always been two stroke. Two stroke diesels at some point require increases in displacement in order to strongly perform with higher horsepower. That's exactly what happened with the 645F3's in the GP50's & SD50's. The EPA regulations discontinued EMD motors because of high carbon footprint. However ALCO & GE never had that issue because of being four stroke,better power at lower RPM and less displacement,while GE was always more technologically advanced. EMD's last mistake was building the SD90MAC's which was far worse than what happened with the GP50's & SD50's. The worst leading into that was CAT/PRLX buying EMD. EMD units get retired and just remain in storage or get scrapped. GE units have been getting more rebuilds done thanks to Wabtec Relco taking over the company. The last great units were the EMD GP40-2's & SD40-2's which have survived and outlived everything else. GE is practically the way of the future,not EMD anymore.
@@Slim_Slid GEs still catch fire’s easy
Great video!! Hope we can see the es40dc
I commented on the post for this asking if he could do the ET44AH
@@railfanmaximstill7279 Alot of people have asked for the tier 4 gevos, but I've already done a video on the ES44AH, only thing there is to add is that it is just a tier 4 emissions version of the ES44AH.
@@buccaneerrailfanning1776 oh ok.
After the F40PH & ET44AC.....Can you do the ES40DC/ES44DC as well as the GP38-2S, Then the SD33ECO/SD40E3?
CSX SD-50 Horns that had :
5:42 RS5T
6:03 K5LLA
6:28 K5HL
6:47 K5LA
Edit: I forget to turn K5HL part to 6 I re numbered that
I don't think the trucks were self-steering. They were slightly modified versions of the classic HT-C, but not self-steering.
Also you listed C&O, B&O *and* "Cheese System" as original purchasers, but you're double counting as the C&O and B&O were the Chessie System.
When you mentioned the railroads that use SD50's you forgot to mention union pacific, CNW, RBMN, and rio grande as they to also use SD50's 2:19
0:10 this is music is a meme
To a child like you
What about the Rio Grande SD50s
New subscriber!
Thank you! That means alot to me
@@buccaneerrailfanning1776 You are welcome my friend!
Great Video 🤗
You forgot csx 8660, it has a killer k5hll
cover the GP40-2 aka my fav Geep
Great video
Can you do the Sd70ace please
60s are good 64 66
I hear paint it black!!!!
3:55
Name of first song