So you're telling me that Reed Richards , one of the greatest geniuses in Marvel Comics, couldn't figure out his son wasn't a real mutant. That Cerebro could when Reed couldn't. I call BS on that one. Also I clearly remember once Onslaught got his hands on Franklin that he evolved and Onslaught grows stronger with mutant energy only. So he has to be a real mutant. There are too many stories that contradict Dan Slott writing.
Well he'd have to get past Saturnnye & Jim Jaspers at the same time, I don't think that would be easy even for him. I think it's just good a good move if FF has their own powerhouse not related to the mutants. And Rob is right, he never actually was.
it matters because it made a character deeper. it created a background rift in F4, it meant that Franklin has another "place" and he can decide in the future to leave his family for his people. it created a stake for F4 family in mutant affairs, so if anything questionable happens to the mutant community, it has implications for F4 through Franklin. It meant that Franklin can get into a conflict between F4 interests and mutant interests. and they never really explored any of that and they _just_ started to explore that now... and they axed all of that at the root right away. because OH NO THAT CAN CHANGE THINGS.
So basically they made him human to explain why he is not involved in X of swords, only to re-retcon it at a later time. Marvel come on be better than this.
Can someone point me to the genome that allows you to warp reality please, because it sounds dumb on paper. Maybe they did it to give more credibility to a genome that allows you to live forever and regenerate, because it does that
I think it matters greatly. The fact that he was a mutant always felt like the best story that never really got told. It was this hypothetical wedge that would ultimately be driven between the Fantastic Four at some point once he started to grow and mature. I always felt that their were so many possibilities for stories to be told and seen through that particular lense. Just my opinion anyway.
Seems like a huge mistake no matter how you look at it. Also, even if Xavier knew this to be ttue he should have kept him since he's such a powerful asset. You're obviously going to need his powers at some point. Just seems like terrible writing
I think a sore point for me is that we kinda already did this song and dance with Wanda, a supremely powerful individual, not being a mutant either and neither changes seem to be about furthering these characters' development imo and more about a kind of uninterest Marvel seems to be having for a very long time. (I want to acknowledge that there has been cool storylines across the different comics as of recent, I was mostly refering to an overall trend)
I don't think so, I think making Franklin not a mutant is a good thing. Honestly Franklin could and would become a handwavy explanation out of any issues that the X-Men would come across, which would drop him into the realm of bad writing(like how Marvel tends to use Time travel to fix problems). Honestly this keeps him separate from that and allows the Fantastic four to keep telling compelling stories about the loss of his powers. It's also possible that this could come back and be a plot point with the X-Men at some point, and we really don't know at the moment.(Maybe Xavier's realization of this could be manipulation by the one of Apocalypse's children whose power is that she can't lose, because otherwise Franklin would make her lose.)
@@greenman394 If he stayed with the X-men, they would have to fix his depowering as a story beat. And if they did that, Franklin becomes an easy out to any Mutant problem. If they didn't, then Franklin becomes a pointless background character only famous for the 90's and his relation(and current breakup with) the Fantastic Four.
Franklin being a mutant actually MATTERED in the Onslaught story, because Onslaught was absorbing mutant powers only, he got X-man’s and Franklin’s powers. So if Franklin never was a mutant that wouldn’t work either
Glad you brought this up. Franklin being a mutant was a key part of Onslaught's physical form and power base. So, with this retcon, Onslaught only APPEARED to want Mutant host bodies... this is just a lazy retcon.
@@sophiawilson8696 he gave himself the x gene by involuntarily altering his DNA, making him a mutant at that time. What Xavier clarifies is that he’s not an ACTUAL born mutant, he turned himself into one for a time, which is how Onslaught was able to take his energy and what not, because he manufactured his x gene. Clearly, he’s not a mutant anymore, and wasn’t one to begin with, which is why he can’t get into Krakoa. Weird retcon, but it makes sense.
Franklin being a mutant mattered to Ahab and The Sentinels. The Phoenix Force never told Rachel and Jean that he was not a mutant? He is "The Love of Rachel's life"...
Hey, didn't Gwenpool use her over-the-top reality warping powers to retcon herself into a mutant? She gets to hang out on Kraokoa. Seems like a double standard.
Tldr: Due to the her meta powers allowing her existence to shift, gwen became a mutant due to her retconning her entire life to fit the marvel comics world. Xavier literally cannot tell she isn't a mutant because as of her current status, she is one literally in "continuity". Her powers work different from Franklin. Basically she rewrote herself into the world as mutant. Long answer: Actually that's different. If you actually read gwenpool then you'd know what she did was change her backstory on a meta level. Unlike Franklin, who simply reality warped his cells to model that of an X gene, Gwen's history literally changed her continuity to where she was a literal mutant like any other. Read her comic, Gwen's powers are largely based in narrative and meta logic. She literally became a mutant because that's how the comic book world could rationalize her abilities and backstory. That's why she nearly went insane when Kamala was rationalizing her abilities and existence. Before that moment, she quite literally an unstable anomaly with no clear history in comics due to how she existed. It's not so much a double standard, as it is Xavier has no way of knowing she was never really a mutant unless her backstory changes again, retconning her status.
@@mattd923 If he read her mind it could honestly depend on how gwen responds and how Charles attempts to rationalize what he sees. He may look into Gwen's memories, seeing how jumbled up they are, and come to the same conclusion as Kamala. Since it's already known that poeple around Gwen can cause her backstory to change, plus with her meta knowledge, it would he interesting if on accident she retconned her history again, while also creating a villain on accident. I believe thus because there are two possibilities in my mind: A. Xavier rationales that Gwen may still be a mutant but she's been twisted mentally and us being manipulated by an outside force. Given how defensive Krakoa is of mutants, they'd try to solve this and find a cause. B. He finds out she isn't a mutant, but cannot prove it, unlike in the way he did Franklin, since Gwen due to her powers was "born" a mutant in her backstory. She'd probably he stuck in a limbo, under suspicion until they figure out what's going on. I could easily see that being a story in itself about the entire island trying to capture gwen, while figuring out what she wants. It's interesting to think about, since both situations could put her under enough stress to cause a "retcon shift" as I would call it. After all, technically based on the last retcon she had, Gwen's mutant ability was reality warping(I think thats what Kamala rationalized atleast). She could easily go omega level on by exploiting her metapowers on the narrative and characters around her. It would all depend on the writer. We probably won't see that though, unless Hickman acknowledges gwenpools existence on Krakoa and incorporates it into current events.
Its a way to make the xmen stay relevant because if Franklin was a mutant he would find a way to Krakoa and be like “Oh Apocalypses kids are bothering you guys lemme just ..... and now their bunnies”
Well he is currently depowered which explains why he wouldn’t be able to help with Krakoa, also he has no sword associated to him so it wouldn’t make sense for him to be there.
What's the point of a character like franklin if they need to make bullshit stories to justify why they can't use him? Let OP characters be OP characters, let them wreck everyone that's what people wanna see. Why do you think Hulk is so popular
well it looks like people do care because people on twitter and other media are mad at slot over recon so most people do like franklin as a mutant this should teach people about making bad recons and or recon something most people like.
Actually... A lot of Mutants where the only Mutant in their Family Xavier himself was the only mutant in his Family Ps: Well, Xavier and his Son (but being a Child of a Mutant is mostly certain to be a Mutant himself) The Gene X can be genetically hereditated even without manifesting
In House and Powers of X when Xavier and Magneto visit Bar Sinister and are met with all the Mr Sinister clones, the one in charge got shot in the head by another who took his place. That Mr Sinister states that, although the others are not mutants, he is the only one that is as he was engineered as one. In the Sinister Secrets, one of them reveals that the X-gene in his DNA is that of John Proudstar, Thunderbird. The clones he has made of himself from then on are mutants now. So, the original Mr Sinister is not a mutant, but the one on Krakoa is. He didn't change himself to give himself an X-gene, he created a completely new Mr Sinister that already had it. (I hope that makes sense) And with all the weird clones he has, I wouldn't be able to guess where that original Mr Sinister even is, if he's even alive... Who knows.
Frankly, I'm disappointed. I always liked how he was a mutant and that didn't have to be part of the story. It didn't have to be brought up every second or be a point of contention. Just inclusitivity. It felt right. Shame that it's gone now.
I don't mind that, if you think about it his parents aren't mutant's they got powered by cosmic energy so naturally it passed on to him, so I always found it funny that he was categorized as mutant, my problem is they are nerfing him for story sake, just so they can re-power him later. That's just bad writing, like using time travel to get rid of mathew malloy
@@frankfernandez2690 I dont disagree with you about the bad writing. But I do need to point out that many mutants don't come from a mutant family. I wonder how you feel about Ben Grimm being Jewish? It's not important to any story, most people just want to see the Thing clobber someone. But it's inclusitivity and good character development. It roots the characters and makes them more relatable. Obviously, mutants aren't real, but I like when the universe is more cohesive and tied together when they are mentioned literally anywhere else besides in an xmen setting. It's kinda crazy that more superheros unaffiliated with the x men don't have mutants in their family. If it's supposedly the next step in human evolution, the chances of one popping up anywhere else is highly likely, but I guess you run into the problem of aging up characters.
Rob the reason people are pissed about this is because wasn't it a few issues ago that the X-men fought against the fantastic 4 trying to get Franklin to there island BECAUSE he was a mutant? Then Mr fantastic locks Franklins powers, only to have professor X erases the mind of Mr fantastic of how he created a power suppresor. All of that happened than what? 3 or 4 issues later Franklin isn't a mutant? The X-men tried to kidnap a CHILD from there home only to later realize "you were never a mutant". Of course people are pissed. They attack the fantastic 4 who were minding there own business, try to kidnap a kid who didn't want to go with them and erase the mind of Mr fantastic all for nothing
Actually I hated this issue. First it was Wanda Maximoff and now Franklin Richards, who is next? I hate this, removing the top tier mutant powerhouses from the picture. It was bad enough that they depowered the Omega level mutant by saying only one of their powers r Omega powerhouse and now this
Didn't Magician do the same "reality warp myself into a mutant for [reasons]" and then Marvel said yeah he is not really a mutant just a reality warper?
@@cramz101 no, that changed in a comic called Axis that came out in 2014 saying that she is not Magneto's daughter, then they said she got her power from experiment etc..
@@patricklacey4946 no, Magician is a mutant. He is just capable of mutating and taking the powers of a person. I dont recall him giving himself the X-gene. He is a born mutant. What is happening with Franklin is different tho. Also u born to be a mutant, ur parents does not have to be mutants in order to inherit the power Jean's parents were human, so were her siblings yet she was a mutant. The same can be said about Franklin so this Cosmic Control Rod does not make sense. It should boost his powers and grant him more power but that does not mean he cannot be a mutant..
I does matter for Onslaught though. Onslaught was able to siphon Franklin's powers because he was a mutant. All of the heroes had to sacrifice themselves to stop Onslaught but they never allowed the X-Men to do the same because they are mutants. The Wanda is a mutant but her 'hex' can somewhat do something so that she won't be affected...
@iewnfiwenf weqfwefw I so agree with you. I just wonder why they did this. I hope it comes to something cool, because right now it kinda sucks. Not only did I like the aspect of him as a mutant setting him truly apart from the rest of the FF, but Hickman's X-men run has made such a point of how Franklin is a mutant and his relation to others on Krakoa. What was the point of the FF and X-men four part crossover? Beyond some dope art, was that story a waste of time? Comics and their characters constantly change and revert back then change again. I expect that and so I read and invest my time in what I like at the time, with no ill feelings towards the ones that I'm not quite liking. It just feels like, with this 'small' change, certain aspects of character development have been thrown out of the proverbial window.
I think I liked the idea of him being a mutant. It gave another good explanation of his powers. Powerful parents + mutant + cosmic control rod = one of the most powerful beings ever born.
I truly appreciate that Rob never fails to not be an alarmist when it comes to changes in comics. Others only do it because they think it boosts their views and because they lack historical context.
I swear the X-Men are not just a segregated minority in the comics but also in real life. Marvel or should I say Disney, just wants to cut them off completely.
@@210SAi With Pietro, it's simple. Wanda is very complicated, though, as her mutant powers are nothing special, just basic energy projection. It's the bit of himself that Chthon (who regards himself as Wanda's true father) gave Wanda at birth that makes her powerful. Can you be considered a mutant when you're powered by a demonic eldritch abomination?
Seems we have the Shrodinger's cat paradox happening here with Franklin. It seems that Franklin is part of a Quantum entanglement where he's both a mutant/and not a mutant due to his ability to warp reality, like the observer affecting the state of the cat in the box but even further he is the cat and the observer at the same time. Mind blown!
This was fun but stop pulling my leg Rob, this is definitely a retcon on Franklin Richards, the same exact thing they did with Scarlet witch and Quicksilver after the Axis event.
Charles is starting to show his other side he wants Franklin when he has all these wonderful powers but as soon as he loses them he doesn’t care about him
Susan storm made that same argument when he thought Franklin was a mutant he really cared about him but didn't give two shits about his sister Valeria. Hell even his own brother Juggernaut he kicked to the curb lol
@@noaboahQR Not to mention the mutants are just hoping through their gates doing what they so please in other countries they say they want to live in peace but their actions are saying let’s start a war with other nations I understand what storm had to do in x of swords but that just crossed a line especially what she did to shuri I love storm by the way
@@nic8164 yea that whole thing really confused me. especially since black panther showed up right after she was finished. Like you're telling me if she had taken a shower or nap, then black panther and her could have talked it out? Lmao
@@noaboahQR Not to mention what they did w doctor doom but that was understandable since he did use them as weapons but erase reeds mind was to far they go around do what they want but as soon as your a threat the want to be big bad wolf 🐺
If mutants are banding together out of desperation to survive, (granted only Charles, Erik, and Moira know this) why not just keep it a secret that the kid is not a mutant and just have him fight for them anyway? They are supposed to be desperate, right? Is Professor X dumb now? Just think of all the drama this will make when Reed finds out about it and when he finds out that Charles mind-wiped him when he created a mutant gene suppressor machine. The opportunity for conflict and drama is just thrown off the window. It's so stupid!
Pietro can be considered a mutant, but Wanda can't IMHO, because Wanda is part Elder God/Demon, as Chthon implanted a fragment of his soul inside her at birth. She's not a true mutant as she is marked by a demon.
Franklin did make that pocket universe, that stoped time... so yea I say he is part of the retcon characters that can wipe reality. Mutants are insanely stacked with power so adding Franklin to balance things for the bio characters works
I don’t so much have an issue with them changing it I just don’t really see the point of it NOW, for instance while I didn’t like changing Wanda & Pietro from mutants to non mutants I understood it was due to the Marvel/Fox movie rights thing. But this just feels very much like another moment Dan Slotts had to make his run memorable...not for the story content but just by doing something controversial to make fans think “But what was the point?” E.g Kill off Peter and replace him with Doc Ock....fans lose their minds but at the end of the day it was pointless as everything returned to how it was within a year... Plus Franklin as a mutant was pretty much the last current person you could use as Xaviers original dream...co-existence. Yes he is with the fantastic four but he is a hero and a mutant and humans seem to like him and vice versa...now we just have an all to real feeling of racism on both sides which is not really what I want when I read comics to escape reality
@@boonjuefpvboonjue1230 because he’s never had a sword associated with him, the rules make it pretty clear that not just anybody can enter the tournament. Also he’s currently depowered so he could change the rules even if he wanted to. Him not being a mutant makes the whole FF/X-Men story with Dr Doom now completely redundant. Again I don’t see this as a Marvel directive or something that Hickman would particularly have asked for but instead it’s just a way for Dan Slott to be remembered in comics history, being controversial for the sake of it and nothing more
@@Wezt334 oh you are right! But he would still be there to fight if or when krakoa loses and the war ensues. You also right that he is de powered so it wouldn’t even matter with him being with krakoa
This doesn't even seem like a recon. He's a mutant, because he used his cosmic powers to change his biology. If Marvel is having Charles only allow mutants with naturally occurring x-genes on Krokoa then he has a serious problem. To begin with Mr Sinister is not a natural mutant - Apocalypse genetically altered him into a mutant. This also brings into question the legitimacy of Xavier himself as he lost his powers on M-Day but only restored them by entering the M'Kraan crystal. For all intents and purposes, he can't be sure if his powers are of mutant or cosmic origin now.
@@michaelbrown577 Good point. It seems to me that this discussion between Xavier and Franklin isn't intended to retcon, but to reveal that Xavier's ideology is becoming progressively more elitist and bigoted. We can all agree with Cain being declined entry to Krakoa, as he is not a mutant at all, but Franklin just has to snap his fingers to include the x-gene in his genetic makeup. He didn't do that deliberately but he is enough of a mutant to cause his dad to sabotage his attempt to use the Krokoa gates.
I never liked that they classified him a mutant when him being cosmic made so much more sense. This is one change that I actually like that Marvel has made.
I think part of why people might be mad even if they don't realize that is the reason is being a mutant is very much an identity in marvel... and to an extent is actually an allegory for such. And some people feel these identities are more important than the rest of characters themselves.
I just wanted the mutants to have someone if push come to shove can be an ace in the hole. You get tired of seeing them always behind the 8ball and hes one of the few people who can fix almost anything
So let me get this straight: Mad Jim Jaspers can warp reality on a universal scale, and is considered a mutant. Franklin Richards can also warp reality on a universal scale, and can make reality simply out of nothing, but is not a mutant.
@@Loyal2law Mad Jim is an insanely powerful matter manipulator, that is to say he needs something there to change it into something else. We know this because in order to defeat Mad Jim Captain Britain and crew had to take him to an "empty universe". Franklin Richards on the other hand is a true reality warper, in that he can create something out of nothing. To our feeble minds there is no difference since we live in a matter universe and both could equally wreck, but go to a universe with "no matter" and one is clearly outclassed.
Mutant are a minority they are almost everywhere like real minority not every minority is in a civil rights group for there people the x-men are a civil rights group and not all mutants are x-men
And that time he married Rachel Summers. And that time he summoned Magneto or maybe his clone(?) to kick the crap out of him. And that time the x-men fought the FF to allow him to self determine his place on Krakoa. And that time his Dad science blocked his X-gene just as his powers started to wane which prevented him from going to Krakoa during that fight. Like, Reed Richards creates “mutant cure” for son just as X-men are becoming global disrupters looked like a major story to bring the two into a larger conflict and Franklin at the center as someone literally crippled by their father to keep them on the side of “status quo” looked to be the major plot ahead until... “yer a muggle affer all, Franklin and were deluded to thinking otherwise” was the direction they went.
Hey Rob, I have a question. If the fan theory about Franklin controlling the Marvel universe to stop characters from aging, then why does The Punisher still age?
RIGHT. Plus it stated that Jim jaspers got the power of that super Android who can adapted to almost everything and anything go against it. So it only make sense this Mad Jim jaspers is any more Powerful than before
Wouldn’t hope summers have the potential to be stronger since she can replicate a mutant within a certain radius’s power at its maximum potential, and utilize multiple at once?
The entire Robcore on UA-cam for the past several months: Resurrection man!!!! One guy on Discord: Franklin Richard's something something Rob: Here's a video because one guy said something on Discord
Yes, I’ve read about 182 suicides today alone all with notes citing this is as the last straw. Imagine anyone caring about anything at all. Slow clap for you and only you on your lack of investment in anything. Pssst, no one tell him about... any sporting event ever where people in the thousands riot when the -win.-
3:40 - The first time Franklin was called a Mutant (that I could find) was in 1982, which was 38 years ago. THIRTY. EIGHT. YEARS. AGO. That has been established for Franklin's character for that long. He's been referred to as a mutant by other characters up to this point, all the way up to Galactus, so why are you implying it's okay because "it didn't really matter for everything he's done?" This is just another case of "actually, what you knew in the past about this character WAS ALL A LIE; I, THE CURRENT WRITER, will now tell you what the TRUTH actually is according to I, THE CURRENT WRITER". It throws everything else away in favour of what the current writer wants their readers to believe, what that writer thinks the character "should be". I'd even consider it dismissive of continuity and other past writers, almost to the point of spite. Which says a lot when I consider that to be Donny Cates' hat. He did it to the Symbiotes through Knull. He did it to Galactus through the Black Winter. Now Slott is doing the same to Franklin's identity as a Mutant through his own power.
Ok so you could say the fantastic for represents different parts of the universe. Reed represents space and time stretching all over. Johnny being the energy/stars/suns. The Thing being the planets the ground/land/asteroids etc. Then Sue as idk gravity, light or something of that sort. In that case what would Franklin represent. My guess is matter
There seems to be a lot of dispute about a 'retcon.' Franklin, as is put forth in the comic, had powers from birth. He was apparently a power syphon. His power source is not stated. It is then revealed that he is a mutant. That isn't a retcon, it is a reveal. His power source is now revealed as stemming from the X-gene. Going forward, this character is referred to as Mutant. In the Onslaught Saga, Onslaught seeks Franklin and Nate Grey out because they are the most powerful mutants in existence. Onslaught can interface and absorb Nate and Franklin because they are mutants. It stated later as Onslaught is being absorbed into the (non mutant) hero's bodies that if a mutant were to contact Onslaught's pure energy form, they would give him a new body because Onslaught interfaces with the X-gene. After the story, Franklin is always referred to as a mutant. 20 years later it is revealed that Franklin, as a child, without understanding biology or even what a mutant is, turned his own cells into mutant cells. Not an inhuman, not a mutate, not an eternal, not any of the races his family frequently comes across and fights... a mutant. This boy unknowingly created a masking x-gene...this is your retcon. I don't care that it's a retcon, I care that it is a poorly written retcon. Putting the words 'COSMIC POWERS' 'APPEARED' and 'X-GENE' in bold doesn't make it believable. (If anything it makes Xavier look like an idiot.)
So Franklin Richards is no longer a mutant you know what that’s fine I am okay with that because honestly I am in intrigue on how Franklin Richards is going to defeat griever.
*But I know his history as well Rob and I don't like this change/ digression of his character, so why can't I hate this change? why just because I know Franklins history can't I dislike the change to his history?* *Also a better analogy would be the scarlet witch and quicksilver's origin change from them being magic baby's, to mutants, to now Inhumans.*
Hey Rob, can you explain: 1)Trigon 2)Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter) 3)The Mother of Existence 4)Kang the Conqueror 5)Mogo the Living Planet 6)Crimson Dynamo (Valetin Shatalov) 7)Bat-Mite 8)Blue Beetle(Jaime Reyes) 9)Solomon Grundy 10)Etrigan 11)Hellboy 12)The Young Avengers 13)Judge Death 14)The Tick 15)The Mask 16)Hawkman & Hawkgirl 17)the Mandarin 18)Steel 19)The Eradicator 20)Cyborg Superman 21)Reptil 22)the Doom Patrol 23)The Key(DC) 24)Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) 25)Lobster Johnson 26)Resurrection Man What If scenarios: Darkseid gets a Cosmic Cube Darkseid invades Mega City One Lobo vs. Homelander & The Seven Ultra Man fights Homelander and The Seven Judge Death gets a Astral Regulator Judge Dredd meets Billy Butcher & The Boys Unicron battles Shuma-Gorath Mangog battles Doomsday All Might becomes Captain Universe Manchester Black & The Elite fight Homelander & The Seven Judge Death gets Black, Red, Orange & Yellow Lantern Rings Hellboy & the BPRD meet Judge Dredd Beyond Omega Level: Odin’s Doom(Ultimate Alliance Final Boss Dr Doom) Chuck Norris
Got to disagree, Franklin's character wasn't fleshed out right away so he was later written as a mutant. And on top of that Mr. Sinister wasn't born a mutant. However he made himself into one, kinda like they're saying Franklin did. Seems like a lazy retcon because they don't want mutants involved with a FF movie down the road
It made sense that he used to be considered a mutant because he was born with his powers. The FF weren't born with their powers they gained them when they were accidentally hit with cosmic rays in space. Franklin's inherited powers are cosmic in nature since his parents have powers from cosmic energy/rays. Honestly I don't mind (nor care) that they are going back to his previous origin.
Rob do you remember that group in 1994 - 1995 called ClanDestine? They had a lot of interaction with captain Britain. They were pretty dope and powerful. Can you do a video about them?
Am I the only one getting tired of some of these retcons? This was absolutely unnecessary. I'm not freaking out. It's just dumb, kind of like most things that happen with the FF.
If they reboot the FF again I think Franklin Richards is an important character and should be part of the team and then perhaps Marvel could have a huge hit.
Whenever people are trying to get I to Marvel comics and they ask about the timeline, or how long heroes have been around in the modern era, I only have one response. How old is Franklin Richards now? Also, it makes perfect sense that the in-universe editor edited himself at some point. However, Professor X was a really poor choice to tell Franklin about what he did. They should have sent Kitty.
@@smallNTG I think that’s what would have made it cool: he’s a mutant in the truest sense like the reason the celestials came to Earth to experiment in the first place. He’s apex mutant because of his origins with the control rod. It tied nearly together to me. But to your point: why do two normal people have mutant children?
@@smallNTG Even with the explanation they gave he would still be a mutant because he gave himself the X-gene. You can say he never started out as a mutant, but he was one eventually.
Unless Rob heard something different, I don’t believe Dan Slott is leaving FF just yet. It seems he’s going to be starting up a storyline he’s been teasing since his She-Hulk days that might involve her FF ties.
First Scarlet Witch now Franklyn... I wonder how much more bad writing we have to endure... Im so tired of Marvel removing, forgetting, and depowering their strong characters for stupid reasons. Their writing on these matters has been bad for years at this point... Good thing DC has their act together right now.
I read the Dark Reign issue where Franklin shot Norman Osborne on the shoulder with a toy gun. He actually wounded him with a toy gun. Mind bullets. That's so funny.
Hold-Up maybe "Hickman" is putting "Franklin" on 'ICE' for now because R.B Silva is in this book. So possible that ''Franklin Richard'' is getting a special event, let this be a reminder that "Hickman" loves "playing-the-long-game" maybe he wants to create event with the "X-Men & Franklin Richard"... Explained why that {Professor X} is in this book anyway, think about it...??????!
“Professor X! I could help you! I can literally do anything!”
*Professor X, master of coexistence:* “Yeaaaaaaah. But you’re not a mutant, so...”
Yo my guy, good comment yet again
It does look stupid! 😂
Franklin Richards: Ligma balls (Professor X explodes)
Couldn't Franklin make himself a mutant?
@@ColeBeeRyan sounds like he basically did, Professor X is just salty
Rob: It's not a retcon! They're just changing everything!
Literally Everyone Else: So, it's a retcon.
@ retcon = a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation.
Keep up, kid.
@ You can triple stamp a double retcon lloyd!!!!
It's a retcon of a retcon, its retconception
So you're telling me that Reed Richards , one of the greatest geniuses in Marvel Comics, couldn't figure out his son wasn't a real mutant. That Cerebro could when Reed couldn't. I call BS on that one.
Also I clearly remember once Onslaught got his hands on Franklin that he evolved and Onslaught grows stronger with mutant energy only. So he has to be a real mutant. There are too many stories that contradict Dan Slott writing.
The queue starts with donny cates writers these days (excluding hickman) dont care much for hierarchy and continuity
@@THORGATO what's GTA got to do with it ?
@@thedevourer. its a spammer trying to push its channel i guess. maybe report for spam, as if youtube ever does anything lol
Exactly it's comes off as extremely lazy
@ but I really don't see how a toddler could "want" to be a mutant though, makes no sense.
This is a way to keep Franklin out of the x of swords event. Just think of how fast the situation could be resolved if he was involved.
But that could be epic... a showdown between Franklin and MJJ 😬😲😲😲😲
@Dhamih cheeks*
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Well he'd have to get past Saturnnye & Jim Jaspers at the same time, I don't think that would be easy even for him. I think it's just good a good move if FF has their own powerhouse not related to the mutants. And Rob is right, he never actually was.
@@bezzyboy6 I think it's easier than you think, move mad Jim to a universe with nothing in it and Saturnine would be a pushover
it matters because it made a character deeper. it created a background rift in F4, it meant that Franklin has another "place" and he can decide in the future to leave his family for his people.
it created a stake for F4 family in mutant affairs, so if anything questionable happens to the mutant community, it has implications for F4 through Franklin. It meant that Franklin can get into a conflict between F4 interests and mutant interests.
and they never really explored any of that and they _just_ started to explore that now... and they axed all of that at the root right away.
because OH NO THAT CAN CHANGE THINGS.
Lol this sole comment defeats this video
So basically they made him human to explain why he is not involved in X of swords, only to re-retcon it at a later time. Marvel come on be better than this.
Franklin vs jim jaspers 😮
@@tvang464 be careful what you ask for they may retcon something else. 🤣
But I too would like to see that battle.
@@clinteastwood75 its not Marvel, blame Jonathan Hickman. He is the one who has control over the mutant world now
@@tvang464 probably Franklin via time manipulation and telepathy which MJJ does not have
@@afro_princess1671 Im almost willing to bet nothing big comes of this storyline, but hopefully I'm wrong.
I don't care if he is a mutant just as long as his character can still do epic stuff.
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Can someone point me to the genome that allows you to warp reality please, because it sounds dumb on paper. Maybe they did it to give more credibility to a genome that allows you to live forever and regenerate, because it does that
@@nicholasgeere5125 can someone point out the genome that allows half the powers mutants have lol! It's a comic mate.
@iewnfiwenf weqfwefw You keep copy pasting this comment, and it absolutely doesn't matter.
Thats like saying, I don't care if your alive, as long as you breath 💩🤦🏾♂️
I think it matters greatly. The fact that he was a mutant always felt like the best story that never really got told. It was this hypothetical wedge that would ultimately be driven between the Fantastic Four at some point once he started to grow and mature. I always felt that their were so many possibilities for stories to be told and seen through that particular lense. Just my opinion anyway.
Him being a mutant connected the Fantastic Four to the X-Men, which is cool.
Seems like a huge mistake no matter how you look at it.
Also, even if Xavier knew this to be ttue he should have kept him since he's such a powerful asset. You're obviously going to need his powers at some point.
Just seems like terrible writing
I think a sore point for me is that we kinda already did this song and dance with Wanda, a supremely powerful individual, not being a mutant either and neither changes seem to be about furthering these characters' development imo and more about a kind of uninterest Marvel seems to be having for a very long time.
(I want to acknowledge that there has been cool storylines across the different comics as of recent, I was mostly refering to an overall trend)
I don't think so, I think making Franklin not a mutant is a good thing. Honestly Franklin could and would become a handwavy explanation out of any issues that the X-Men would come across, which would drop him into the realm of bad writing(like how Marvel tends to use Time travel to fix problems). Honestly this keeps him separate from that and allows the Fantastic four to keep telling compelling stories about the loss of his powers.
It's also possible that this could come back and be a plot point with the X-Men at some point, and we really don't know at the moment.(Maybe Xavier's realization of this could be manipulation by the one of Apocalypse's children whose power is that she can't lose, because otherwise Franklin would make her lose.)
@@TsuikeNovaus But isn't the "handwavy explanation" the crux of his character anyways, even with the FF. Hence why they a depowering him.
@@greenman394 If he stayed with the X-men, they would have to fix his depowering as a story beat. And if they did that, Franklin becomes an easy out to any Mutant problem. If they didn't, then Franklin becomes a pointless background character only famous for the 90's and his relation(and current breakup with) the Fantastic Four.
Franklin being a mutant actually MATTERED in the Onslaught story, because Onslaught was absorbing mutant powers only, he got X-man’s and Franklin’s powers. So if Franklin never was a mutant that wouldn’t work either
Glad you brought this up. Franklin being a mutant was a key part of Onslaught's physical form and power base. So, with this retcon, Onslaught only APPEARED to want Mutant host bodies... this is just a lazy retcon.
however, if franklin used his powers to give himself an xgene he's a mutant at that time right?
If he wasn't a mutant why was Leech able to take his powers?. Leech can't take Captain America powers or any other of the Fantastic Four.
@@sophiawilson8696 he gave himself the x gene by involuntarily altering his DNA, making him a mutant at that time. What Xavier clarifies is that he’s not an ACTUAL born mutant, he turned himself into one for a time, which is how Onslaught was able to take his energy and what not, because he manufactured his x gene. Clearly, he’s not a mutant anymore, and wasn’t one to begin with, which is why he can’t get into Krakoa. Weird retcon, but it makes sense.
@@amercarroll1743 it’s a bullshit retcon and lazy writing lmfaoo.
Franklin being a mutant mattered to Ahab and The Sentinels. The Phoenix Force never told Rachel and Jean that he was not a mutant? He is "The Love of Rachel's life"...
The sentinels in days of future past had no problem calling him a mutie before atomizing him🤷🏼♂️
Doubtful
It's more of the fact that he was a mutant and never really expanded upon it until now, only to be taken away is the reason behind the frustration.
He literally explained that it was not a Retcon. It’s like saying Scott wears size 11 shoe and not 10 1/2.
Yeah didn't they just go to doom country to reactivate his xgene and all that? What happened to that? Was that storyline pointless?
@@sintwelve To Doom's hidden island and Doom could fix his powers at the cost of his free-will or something to that effect.
He was a member of generation x in the 90’s an a Xman in various futures An timelines, the retcon is dumb like most of marvels current work.
Hey, didn't Gwenpool use her over-the-top reality warping powers to retcon herself into a mutant? She gets to hang out on Kraokoa. Seems like a double standard.
Tldr:
Due to the her meta powers allowing her existence to shift, gwen became a mutant due to her retconning her entire life to fit the marvel comics world. Xavier literally cannot tell she isn't a mutant because as of her current status, she is one literally in "continuity". Her powers work different from Franklin. Basically she rewrote herself into the world as mutant.
Long answer:
Actually that's different. If you actually read gwenpool then you'd know what she did was change her backstory on a meta level. Unlike Franklin, who simply reality warped his cells to model that of an X gene, Gwen's history literally changed her continuity to where she was a literal mutant like any other.
Read her comic, Gwen's powers are largely based in narrative and meta logic. She literally became a mutant because that's how the comic book world could rationalize her abilities and backstory. That's why she nearly went insane when Kamala was rationalizing her abilities and existence. Before that moment, she quite literally an unstable anomaly with no clear history in comics due to how she existed.
It's not so much a double standard, as it is Xavier has no way of knowing she was never really a mutant unless her backstory changes again, retconning her status.
@@LeavanDragon Oh, I know. I just thought it was a funny comparison. Though I wonder what would happen if Xavier read her mind.
@@LeavanDragon Well put man
@@mattd923 If he read her mind it could honestly depend on how gwen responds and how Charles attempts to rationalize what he sees. He may look into Gwen's memories, seeing how jumbled up they are, and come to the same conclusion as Kamala. Since it's already known that poeple around Gwen can cause her backstory to change, plus with her meta knowledge, it would he interesting if on accident she retconned her history again, while also creating a villain on accident.
I believe thus because there are two possibilities in my mind:
A. Xavier rationales that Gwen may still be a mutant but she's been twisted mentally and us being manipulated by an outside force. Given how defensive Krakoa is of mutants, they'd try to solve this and find a cause.
B. He finds out she isn't a mutant, but cannot prove it, unlike in the way he did Franklin, since Gwen due to her powers was "born" a mutant in her backstory. She'd probably he stuck in a limbo, under suspicion until they figure out what's going on. I could easily see that being a story in itself about the entire island trying to capture gwen, while figuring out what she wants.
It's interesting to think about, since both situations could put her under enough stress to cause a "retcon shift" as I would call it. After all, technically based on the last retcon she had, Gwen's mutant ability was reality warping(I think thats what Kamala rationalized atleast). She could easily go omega level on by exploiting her metapowers on the narrative and characters around her. It would all depend on the writer.
We probably won't see that though, unless Hickman acknowledges gwenpools existence on Krakoa and incorporates it into current events.
@@LeavanDragon She cameos in one of the side books. Maybe X-Factor? Though that's not written by Hickman.
Its a way to make the xmen stay relevant because if Franklin was a mutant he would find a way to Krakoa and be like “Oh Apocalypses kids are bothering you guys lemme just ..... and now their bunnies”
@iewnfiwenf weqfwefw maybe he uses his powers to make himself a mutant.
@@ColeBeeRyan literally what he did
Exactly!
@@Fernandopriet Great!
Well he is currently depowered which explains why he wouldn’t be able to help with Krakoa, also he has no sword associated to him so it wouldn’t make sense for him to be there.
What's the point of a character like franklin if they need to make bullshit stories to justify why they can't use him? Let OP characters be OP characters, let them wreck everyone that's what people wanna see. Why do you think Hulk is so popular
You are right sire.
well it looks like people do care because people on twitter and other media are mad at slot over recon so most people do like franklin as a mutant this should teach people about making bad recons and or recon something most people like.
Lol hulk isn't popular 😂
@@analothor yes he is to most people few people like you are the ones who don't like him.
This makes perfect sense. I always wondered how Franklin was the only mutant in the family.
Actually...
A lot of Mutants where the only Mutant in their Family
Xavier himself was the only mutant in his Family
Ps: Well, Xavier and his Son (but being a Child of a Mutant is mostly certain to be a Mutant himself)
The Gene X can be genetically hereditated even without manifesting
He was born with his abilities that why he mutant. Unlike his family.
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Nice I would also love to see animal man
Animal man I would love to see but idk if he’s beyond omega level tho
Every video hahahha
So Rob only listens to his discord peeps???
Anyways up bump bro 👍🏾👍🏾
Ima like his comment till this man get the W
Mister Sinister isn't technically a mutant either
Wow forgot about that
Only fools think he is he’s what ppl call mutats like Spider-Man
What are sinister powers?
In House and Powers of X when Xavier and Magneto visit Bar Sinister and are met with all the Mr Sinister clones, the one in charge got shot in the head by another who took his place. That Mr Sinister states that, although the others are not mutants, he is the only one that is as he was engineered as one.
In the Sinister Secrets, one of them reveals that the X-gene in his DNA is that of John Proudstar, Thunderbird.
The clones he has made of himself from then on are mutants now.
So, the original Mr Sinister is not a mutant, but the one on Krakoa is.
He didn't change himself to give himself an X-gene, he created a completely new Mr Sinister that already had it. (I hope that makes sense)
And with all the weird clones he has, I wouldn't be able to guess where that original Mr Sinister even is, if he's even alive... Who knows.
@@Swali_B So how is that any different than Franklin changing his DNA to be a mutant???
Frankly, I'm disappointed. I always liked how he was a mutant and that didn't have to be part of the story. It didn't have to be brought up every second or be a point of contention. Just inclusitivity. It felt right. Shame that it's gone now.
I don't mind that, if you think about it his parents aren't mutant's they got powered by cosmic energy so naturally it passed on to him, so I always found it funny that he was categorized as mutant, my problem is they are nerfing him for story sake, just so they can re-power him later. That's just bad writing, like using time travel to get rid of mathew malloy
@@frankfernandez2690 I dont disagree with you about the bad writing. But I do need to point out that many mutants don't come from a mutant family. I wonder how you feel about Ben Grimm being Jewish? It's not important to any story, most people just want to see the Thing clobber someone. But it's inclusitivity and good character development. It roots the characters and makes them more relatable. Obviously, mutants aren't real, but I like when the universe is more cohesive and tied together when they are mentioned literally anywhere else besides in an xmen setting. It's kinda crazy that more superheros unaffiliated with the x men don't have mutants in their family. If it's supposedly the next step in human evolution, the chances of one popping up anywhere else is highly likely, but I guess you run into the problem of aging up characters.
Rob the reason people are pissed about this is because wasn't it a few issues ago that the X-men fought against the fantastic 4 trying to get Franklin to there island BECAUSE he was a mutant? Then Mr fantastic locks Franklins powers, only to have professor X erases the mind of Mr fantastic of how he created a power suppresor. All of that happened than what? 3 or 4 issues later Franklin isn't a mutant? The X-men tried to kidnap a CHILD from there home only to later realize "you were never a mutant". Of course people are pissed. They attack the fantastic 4 who were minding there own business, try to kidnap a kid who didn't want to go with them and erase the mind of Mr fantastic all for nothing
If he's been a mutant THIS LONG then he's a mutant. It's an in-canon retcon. It may not be relevant or anything but it's still a retcon.
but if it really is irrelevant why does it matter
Actually I hated this issue. First it was Wanda Maximoff and now Franklin Richards, who is next?
I hate this, removing the top tier mutant powerhouses from the picture. It was bad enough that they depowered the Omega level mutant by saying only one of their powers r Omega powerhouse and now this
Didn't Magician do the same "reality warp myself into a mutant for [reasons]" and then Marvel said yeah he is not really a mutant just a reality warper?
Wait, Scarlet Witch isn’t a mutant?
@@cramz101 no, that changed in a comic called Axis that came out in 2014 saying that she is not Magneto's daughter, then they said she got her power from experiment etc..
@@patricklacey4946 no, Magician is a mutant. He is just capable of mutating and taking the powers of a person. I dont recall him giving himself the X-gene. He is a born mutant.
What is happening with Franklin is different tho. Also u born to be a mutant, ur parents does not have to be mutants in order to inherit the power
Jean's parents were human, so were her siblings yet she was a mutant. The same can be said about Franklin so this Cosmic Control Rod does not make sense.
It should boost his powers and grant him more power but that does not mean he cannot be a mutant..
@@afro_princess1671 Well technically his parenta are human mutates like the hulk. They aren't mutants.
I does matter for Onslaught though. Onslaught was able to siphon Franklin's powers because he was a mutant. All of the heroes had to sacrifice themselves to stop Onslaught but they never allowed the X-Men to do the same because they are mutants. The Wanda is a mutant but her 'hex' can somewhat do something so that she won't be affected...
That's weird I never thought Franklin was a mutant, I just assumed he was like his parents in the way that his powers worked. 🤔
Idk I don’t like this, feels like that stupid scarlet witch and quicksilver retcon
It's not a retcon tho xD.
Yeah
@@galio7741 yes it is.
@@jbabylucus1641 Right? Like when you change the continuity, even back to the status quo, it’s a retcon.
@iewnfiwenf weqfwefw I so agree with you.
I just wonder why they did this. I hope it comes to something cool, because right now it kinda sucks. Not only did I like the aspect of him as a mutant setting him truly apart from the rest of the FF, but Hickman's X-men run has made such a point of how Franklin is a mutant and his relation to others on Krakoa. What was the point of the FF and X-men four part crossover? Beyond some dope art, was that story a waste of time?
Comics and their characters constantly change and revert back then change again. I expect that and so I read and invest my time in what I like at the time, with no ill feelings towards the ones that I'm not quite liking. It just feels like, with this 'small' change, certain aspects of character development have been thrown out of the proverbial window.
I think I liked the idea of him being a mutant. It gave another good explanation of his powers.
Powerful parents + mutant + cosmic control rod = one of the most powerful beings ever born.
It makes perfect sense to me. Someone who can warp reality on a cosmic scale could easily pass off as being a mutant.
I truly appreciate that Rob never fails to not be an alarmist when it comes to changes in comics. Others only do it because they think it boosts their views and because they lack historical context.
Seeing Professor X say "You are no longer welcome" hits in the feels.
Ugh this feels like Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver all over again
I swear the X-Men are not just a segregated minority in the comics but also in real life. Marvel or should I say Disney, just wants to cut them off completely.
@@alissa6 The ownership problem, unless Disney can buy the x-men back this will happen to more and more characters.
@@antoniusevan3722 they have owned xmen for a couple years now and fantastic 4. Remember they bought fox. Only character they co own is spiderman
@@davionarchie807 Then, why is this tragedy keep happening? Why the X-Men not part of the MCU?
@@antoniusevan3722 Deadpool 3 has been confirmed as part of the MCU
It is only a matter of time before the X-Men joins in it too
They spent 60 years building up Franklin as a mutant, just like they did the same with Quick Silver and Scarlet Witch then just chucked it away.
Except the twins decision was based solely on the MCU
@@210SAi With Pietro, it's simple. Wanda is very complicated, though, as her mutant powers are nothing special, just basic energy projection. It's the bit of himself that Chthon (who regards himself as Wanda's true father) gave Wanda at birth that makes her powerful. Can you be considered a mutant when you're powered by a demonic eldritch abomination?
@@Relugus yes very similar to Magik in terms of a power set from a demonic upbringing
Seems we have the Shrodinger's cat paradox happening here with Franklin. It seems that Franklin is part of a Quantum entanglement where he's both a mutant/and not a mutant due to his ability to warp reality, like the observer affecting the state of the cat in the box but even further he is the cat and the observer at the same time. Mind blown!
This was fun but stop pulling my leg Rob, this is definitely a retcon on Franklin Richards, the same exact thing they did with Scarlet witch and Quicksilver after the Axis event.
Charles is starting to show his other side he wants Franklin when he has all these wonderful powers but as soon as he loses them he doesn’t care about him
Susan storm made that same argument when he thought Franklin was a mutant he really cared about him but didn't give two shits about his sister Valeria. Hell even his own brother Juggernaut he kicked to the curb lol
@@noaboahQR Not to mention the mutants are just hoping through their gates doing what they so please in other countries they say they want to live in peace but their actions are saying let’s start a war with other nations I understand what storm had to do in x of swords but that just crossed a line especially what she did to shuri I love storm by the way
@@nic8164 yea that whole thing really confused me. especially since black panther showed up right after she was finished. Like you're telling me if she had taken a shower or nap, then black panther and her could have talked it out? Lmao
@@noaboahQR Not to mention what they did w doctor doom but that was understandable since he did use them as weapons but erase reeds mind was to far they go around do what they want but as soon as your a threat the want to be big bad wolf 🐺
Remember when Franklin Richards and May Parker were best friends?
8 year old me remembers
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Wow. Almost 2mil subscribers. I remember when you were at like 250k. This past year has been fortunate for your channel.
If mutants are banding together out of desperation to survive, (granted only Charles, Erik, and Moira know this) why not just keep it a secret that the kid is not a mutant and just have him fight for them anyway? They are supposed to be desperate, right? Is Professor X dumb now? Just think of all the drama this will make when Reed finds out about it and when he finds out that Charles mind-wiped him when he created a mutant gene suppressor machine. The opportunity for conflict and drama is just thrown off the window. It's so stupid!
Reeds knows that Charles erased the capacity of him to build that device, Charles himself says that He wants Reed to remember.
They got charles acting dumb in this moment and are retconning just for the sake of it.
I was mad more about Maximoffs than Franklin. In fact you're right, him doing staff has no ties with being mutant
Pietro can be considered a mutant, but Wanda can't IMHO, because Wanda is part Elder God/Demon, as Chthon implanted a fragment of his soul inside her at birth. She's not a true mutant as she is marked by a demon.
Franklin did make that pocket universe, that stoped time... so yea I say he is part of the retcon characters that can wipe reality. Mutants are insanely stacked with power so adding Franklin to balance things for the bio characters works
He's so powerful that he can practically do anything he wanted, except... Go back to Krakoa..
I don’t so much have an issue with them changing it I just don’t really see the point of it NOW, for instance while I didn’t like changing Wanda & Pietro from mutants to non mutants I understood it was due to the Marvel/Fox movie rights thing. But this just feels very much like another moment Dan Slotts had to make his run memorable...not for the story content but just by doing something controversial to make fans think “But what was the point?” E.g Kill off Peter and replace him with Doc Ock....fans lose their minds but at the end of the day it was pointless as everything returned to how it was within a year...
Plus Franklin as a mutant was pretty much the last current person you could use as Xaviers original dream...co-existence. Yes he is with the fantastic four but he is a hero and a mutant and humans seem to like him and vice versa...now we just have an all to real feeling of racism on both sides which is not really what I want when I read comics to escape reality
It’s because of X of swords. How else would they explain Franklin not being there to defend krakoa?
@@boonjuefpvboonjue1230 because he’s never had a sword associated with him, the rules make it pretty clear that not just anybody can enter the tournament. Also he’s currently depowered so he could change the rules even if he wanted to.
Him not being a mutant makes the whole FF/X-Men story with Dr Doom now completely redundant. Again I don’t see this as a Marvel directive or something that Hickman would particularly have asked for but instead it’s just a way for Dan Slott to be remembered in comics history, being controversial for the sake of it and nothing more
@@Wezt334 oh you are right! But he would still be there to fight if or when krakoa loses and the war ensues. You also right that he is de powered so it wouldn’t even matter with him being with krakoa
This doesn't even seem like a recon. He's a mutant, because he used his cosmic powers to change his biology. If Marvel is having Charles only allow mutants with naturally occurring x-genes on Krokoa then he has a serious problem. To begin with Mr Sinister is not a natural mutant - Apocalypse genetically altered him into a mutant. This also brings into question the legitimacy of Xavier himself as he lost his powers on M-Day but only restored them by entering the M'Kraan crystal. For all intents and purposes, he can't be sure if his powers are of mutant or cosmic origin now.
Remember, Magneto lobotimized a Celestial to get his powers back
@@michaelbrown577 Good point. It seems to me that this discussion between Xavier and Franklin isn't intended to retcon, but to reveal that Xavier's ideology is becoming progressively more elitist and bigoted. We can all agree with Cain being declined entry to Krakoa, as he is not a mutant at all, but Franklin just has to snap his fingers to include the x-gene in his genetic makeup. He didn't do that deliberately but he is enough of a mutant to cause his dad to sabotage his attempt to use the Krokoa gates.
Good point
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@ Mad Jim Jaspers I'd cant wait until it would show more of you and your power's,
I never liked that they classified him a mutant when him being cosmic made so much more sense. This is one change that I actually like that Marvel has made.
I think part of why people might be mad even if they don't realize that is the reason is being a mutant is very much an identity in marvel... and to an extent is actually an allegory for such. And some people feel these identities are more important than the rest of characters themselves.
Franklin is my favorite character in marvel
Franklin vs Scarlet Witch......is the Next Marvel movie to look for.
I just wanted the mutants to have someone if push come to shove can be an ace in the hole. You get tired of seeing them always behind the 8ball and hes one of the few people who can fix almost anything
So let me get this straight:
Mad Jim Jaspers can warp reality on a universal scale, and is considered a mutant.
Franklin Richards can also warp reality on a universal scale, and can make reality simply out of nothing, but is not a mutant.
Mutant - Genetic powers
Franklin - powers granted by source that is NOT genetic
@@EzraColdsGarage Exactly. I just pointed out the similarities. Settle down. Have a milkshake.
@@Loyal2law settle down? They are completely settle
Beyond calm lmao
Wtf are you talking about
Also this logic doesn't make sense
You know there are universal reality warpers who aren't mutants?!?!?
@@Loyal2law Mad Jim is an insanely powerful matter manipulator, that is to say he needs something there to change it into something else. We know this because in order to defeat Mad Jim Captain Britain and crew had to take him to an "empty universe". Franklin Richards on the other hand is a true reality warper, in that he can create something out of nothing. To our feeble minds there is no difference since we live in a matter universe and both could equally wreck, but go to a universe with "no matter" and one is clearly outclassed.
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Hickman please Save Franklin
God willing he does.
If he is so OP, then what's stopping him from just saying F it. Here's FRANKLIN! 😎✊
He was never important to the x-men story anyways
Only for that Onslaugt saga
Mutant are a minority they are almost everywhere like real minority not every minority is in a civil rights group for there people the x-men are a civil rights group and not all mutants are x-men
And that time he married Rachel Summers.
And that time he summoned Magneto or maybe his clone(?) to kick the crap out of him.
And that time the x-men fought the FF to allow him to self determine his place on Krakoa.
And that time his Dad science blocked his X-gene just as his powers started to wane which prevented him from going to Krakoa during that fight.
Like, Reed Richards creates “mutant cure” for son just as X-men are becoming global disrupters looked like a major story to bring the two into a larger conflict and Franklin at the center as someone literally crippled by their father to keep them on the side of “status quo” looked to be the major plot ahead until... “yer a muggle affer all, Franklin and were deluded to thinking otherwise” was the direction they went.
That's on the writers though
@@matthewconlon2388 still that was never going to happen. They don’t even know each other
Hey Rob, I have a question. If the fan theory about Franklin controlling the Marvel universe to stop characters from aging, then why does The Punisher still age?
Maybe Franklin doesn't like Frank >.>
I guess Mad Jim Jaspers now holds title as the "most powerful mutant"
RIGHT. Plus it stated that Jim jaspers got the power of that super Android who can adapted to almost everything and anything go against it. So it only make sense this Mad Jim jaspers is any more Powerful than before
Would be be a lovely clide wincham? MoD?
Wouldn’t hope summers have the potential to be stronger since she can replicate a mutant within a certain radius’s power at its maximum potential, and utilize multiple at once?
@@ttf1298 Right at lately the writer's not showing her and I dont know why? Because yeah hope is pretty Powerful
he was always that way
Marvel: Hey Dan Slott, can you take over FF? You can't possibly screw it up...
Slott: Hold my 🍺 beer
Dude cmon I love the idea of Franklin being a mutant im so sad
The entire Robcore on UA-cam for the past several months: Resurrection man!!!!
One guy on Discord: Franklin Richard's something something
Rob: Here's a video because one guy said something on Discord
*Oof* 😂
Imagine losing your mind because a fictional character is not a “mutant”
😂👍🏽👍🏽😂!!!!
Yes, I’ve read about 182 suicides today alone all with notes citing this is as the last straw.
Imagine anyone caring about anything at all. Slow clap for you and only you on your lack of investment in anything.
Pssst, no one tell him about... any sporting event ever where people in the thousands riot when the -win.-
@@matthewconlon2388 bro, it ain’t that deep
It's a dumb retcon
@@rcct44444 It may be a dumb retcon, but it's still not that serious or deep
3:40 - The first time Franklin was called a Mutant (that I could find) was in 1982, which was 38 years ago. THIRTY. EIGHT. YEARS. AGO. That has been established for Franklin's character for that long. He's been referred to as a mutant by other characters up to this point, all the way up to Galactus, so why are you implying it's okay because "it didn't really matter for everything he's done?"
This is just another case of "actually, what you knew in the past about this character WAS ALL A LIE; I, THE CURRENT WRITER, will now tell you what the TRUTH actually is according to I, THE CURRENT WRITER". It throws everything else away in favour of what the current writer wants their readers to believe, what that writer thinks the character "should be". I'd even consider it dismissive of continuity and other past writers, almost to the point of spite.
Which says a lot when I consider that to be Donny Cates' hat. He did it to the Symbiotes through Knull. He did it to Galactus through the Black Winter. Now Slott is doing the same to Franklin's identity as a Mutant through his own power.
Can you explain what he did ?
Ok so you could say the fantastic for represents different parts of the universe. Reed represents space and time stretching all over. Johnny being the energy/stars/suns. The Thing being the planets the ground/land/asteroids etc. Then Sue as idk gravity, light or something of that sort. In that case what would Franklin represent. My guess is matter
Omega/Beyond omega level: Brainiac (DC)
Beyond omega level: The empty hand (DC)
Beyond omega level: Superman Prime One million
Beyond omega level: Barbatos (DC)
Beyond omega level: Imperiax (DC)
Beyond omega level: Superman prime (Amped version)
I’m okay with this too. We all know why he’s really not a Mutant any longer. Lol
I remember him when he was called "Tattletail" and was a member of Power Pack waaaaaaaaay back in the 80's .
Awwww they grow up so fast 😢
I always thought it was too big of a coincidence that the fantastic four just so happened to have the most powerful mutan as their child
That is why Franklin is my favorite Marvel character because his powers are overpowered as all hell
There seems to be a lot of dispute about a 'retcon.' Franklin, as is put forth in the comic, had powers from birth. He was apparently a power syphon. His power source is not stated. It is then revealed that he is a mutant. That isn't a retcon, it is a reveal. His power source is now revealed as stemming from the X-gene. Going forward, this character is referred to as Mutant. In the Onslaught Saga, Onslaught seeks Franklin and Nate Grey out because they are the most powerful mutants in existence. Onslaught can interface and absorb Nate and Franklin because they are mutants. It stated later as Onslaught is being absorbed into the (non mutant) hero's bodies that if a mutant were to contact Onslaught's pure energy form, they would give him a new body because Onslaught interfaces with the X-gene. After the story, Franklin is always referred to as a mutant. 20 years later it is revealed that Franklin, as a child, without understanding biology or even what a mutant is, turned his own cells into mutant cells. Not an inhuman, not a mutate, not an eternal, not any of the races his family frequently comes across and fights... a mutant. This boy unknowingly created a masking x-gene...this is your retcon.
I don't care that it's a retcon, I care that it is a poorly written retcon. Putting the words 'COSMIC POWERS' 'APPEARED' and 'X-GENE' in bold doesn't make it believable. (If anything it makes Xavier look like an idiot.)
So Franklin Richards is no longer a mutant you know what that’s fine I am okay with that because honestly I am in intrigue on how Franklin Richards is going to defeat griever.
*But I know his history as well Rob and I don't like this change/ digression of his character, so why can't I hate this change? why just because I know Franklins history can't I dislike the change to his history?*
*Also a better analogy would be the scarlet witch and quicksilver's origin change from them being magic baby's, to mutants, to now Inhumans.*
Well Franklin and Galactus are going to see the end of the universe and the beginning of the new universe together. Nothing going to change that
Hey Rob, can you explain:
1)Trigon
2)Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter)
3)The Mother of Existence
4)Kang the Conqueror
5)Mogo the Living Planet
6)Crimson Dynamo (Valetin Shatalov)
7)Bat-Mite
8)Blue Beetle(Jaime Reyes)
9)Solomon Grundy
10)Etrigan
11)Hellboy
12)The Young Avengers
13)Judge Death
14)The Tick
15)The Mask
16)Hawkman & Hawkgirl
17)the Mandarin
18)Steel
19)The Eradicator
20)Cyborg Superman
21)Reptil
22)the Doom Patrol
23)The Key(DC)
24)Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew)
25)Lobster Johnson
26)Resurrection Man
What If scenarios:
Darkseid gets a Cosmic Cube
Darkseid invades Mega City One
Lobo vs. Homelander & The Seven
Ultra Man fights Homelander and The Seven
Judge Death gets a Astral Regulator
Judge Dredd meets Billy Butcher & The Boys
Unicron battles Shuma-Gorath
Mangog battles Doomsday
All Might becomes Captain Universe
Manchester Black & The Elite fight Homelander & The Seven
Judge Death gets Black, Red, Orange & Yellow Lantern Rings
Hellboy & the BPRD meet Judge Dredd
Beyond Omega Level:
Odin’s Doom(Ultimate Alliance Final Boss Dr Doom)
Chuck Norris
Was busy watching the dark multiverse death of Superman for like the 10th time when this got posted lol
I've never heard that theory, but you're right. Whether he's a mutant or not doesnt matter if he's the one controlling everything.
If character's ability need a explanation you know that character is overpowered.
Got to disagree, Franklin's character wasn't fleshed out right away so he was later written as a mutant. And on top of that Mr. Sinister wasn't born a mutant. However he made himself into one, kinda like they're saying Franklin did. Seems like a lazy retcon because they don't want mutants involved with a FF movie down the road
It really is just for the disney movies. That's why I'm ignoring any hack writer for the MCU. Keep that shyt away from my comics.
Should definitely make a Valeria Richards video on how powerful she is
Haha no problem Rob, I knew you’d wanna cover this as soon as I read it so I had to message ya 🙌🏾
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It made sense that he used to be considered a mutant because he was born with his powers. The FF weren't born with their powers they gained them when they were accidentally hit with cosmic rays in space. Franklin's inherited powers are cosmic in nature since his parents have powers from cosmic energy/rays. Honestly I don't mind (nor care) that they are going back to his previous origin.
Rob do you remember that group in 1994 - 1995 called ClanDestine? They had a lot of interaction with captain Britain. They were pretty dope and powerful. Can you do a video about them?
X of swords happens. Sorry Franklin we don’t need your help. You aren’t a mutant.
Am I the only one getting tired of some of these retcons? This was absolutely unnecessary. I'm not freaking out. It's just dumb, kind of like most things that happen with the FF.
Its like Disney is trying to kill the X-Men the way they killed star wars 🤣😭
Love your work Rob keep it up
He's power is to complain that his powers are going away
If they reboot the FF again I think Franklin Richards is an important character and should be part of the team and then perhaps Marvel could have a huge hit.
About Time Rob
Whenever people are trying to get I to Marvel comics and they ask about the timeline, or how long heroes have been around in the modern era, I only have one response.
How old is Franklin Richards now?
Also, it makes perfect sense that the in-universe editor edited himself at some point. However, Professor X was a really poor choice to tell Franklin about what he did. They should have sent Kitty.
I feel like he's better as a mutant it would be interesting have him differ from his family
I agree
I always thought it was too big of a coincidence that the fantastic four just so happened to have the most powerful mutan as their child
@@ryann.6689 I disagree it never made sense to me why two cosmic altered beings just happen to have a son who is a mutant that can do cosmic things
@@smallNTG I think that’s what would have made it cool: he’s a mutant in the truest sense like the reason the celestials came to Earth to experiment in the first place. He’s apex mutant because of his origins with the control rod. It tied nearly together to me. But to your point: why do two normal people have mutant children?
@@smallNTG Even with the explanation they gave he would still be a mutant because he gave himself the X-gene. You can say he never started out as a mutant, but he was one eventually.
So hes still goat? My man.
Wow I’ve never heard of the Franklin Richards theory that’s cool and makes sense I’m going with it
Unless Rob heard something different, I don’t believe Dan Slott is leaving FF just yet. It seems he’s going to be starting up a storyline he’s been teasing since his She-Hulk days that might involve her FF ties.
That explains the hair, he secretly wanted to have black hair all along 🤣
First Scarlet Witch now Franklyn... I wonder how much more bad writing we have to endure... Im so tired of Marvel removing, forgetting, and depowering their strong characters for stupid reasons. Their writing on these matters has been bad for years at this point... Good thing DC has their act together right now.
Scarlet Witch was solely based on MCU. I’m sure since this was done at the end of a writer’s run it will be retconned by a new writer
This is great! I never thought he should be a Mutant. I've used it because Marvel was running with it.
I read the Dark Reign issue where Franklin shot Norman Osborne on the shoulder with a toy gun. He actually wounded him with a toy gun. Mind bullets. That's so funny.
Song at the end is fly!!
Beyond Omega Level: Robert Jefferson
Yooooo what is this phat ass music at the end?! Did you make this??
Hold-Up maybe "Hickman" is putting "Franklin" on 'ICE' for now because R.B Silva is in this book. So possible that ''Franklin Richard'' is getting a special event, let this be a reminder that "Hickman" loves "playing-the-long-game" maybe he wants to create event with the "X-Men & Franklin Richard"... Explained why that {Professor X} is in this book anyway, think about it...??????!