jdb and johnny marr - this charming man

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  • @JohnnyMarr85
    @JohnnyMarr85 12 років тому +88

    Oh, and anyone who says that Marr sounds like The Edge needs to put down their guitar and never touch it again. Absolutely ridiculous chat.

    • @christschin3708
      @christschin3708 4 роки тому +1

      John Marr
      If I ever heard that in a conversation about guitarists, that would be the end of the chat.
      There’s some really clueless people out there.

    • @garydixon6315
      @garydixon6315 2 роки тому +3

      Yeah right..😅 The Edge is just a shit load of effects and sustain .. lol... He doesn't posess Johnny Marr's musicality !

    • @classicalteacher
      @classicalteacher Рік тому +1

      They both sound like that famous guitarist from Smash Mouth. They are basically copy-pastas of All Star.
      How soon is now... All Star
      Sunday Bloody Sunday... All Star
      Hand in Glove... All Star
      Where the Streets have no name... All Star
      Oscillate Wildly... All Star
      Lemon... All Star

  • @2010welshy
    @2010welshy 13 років тому +55

    James is a legend,I'm sure he nailed it,but obviously it's commical to show us this,he's one of the best British guitarists ever!

  • @mikeyL67
    @mikeyL67 12 років тому +30

    Nice to hear a genius like Steve Vai say that something was tough to learn!! Love Steve Vai and Johnny Marr......any aspiring guitarist would!!!

  • @thomasdonnelly3263
    @thomasdonnelly3263 3 роки тому +25

    Is that really Steve Vai commenting on the This Charming Man riff?? Well that's just made my day! Been playing guitar since I was about 10 years old. I was obsessed with everything Vai played when I was 14, 10 years later I'm here as a 24 year old man obsessed with everything Marr played. Two truly original and innovative guitarists. Also a big fan of Joe Satriani!

  • @OctaveWar
    @OctaveWar 12 років тому +20

    Fair play to James Dean from the Manics laughing at himself having not played it for ages and forgotten someone else's song. Most guitarist seem to have egos and can't joke like that. Now lets see Johnny Marr attempt the Archives of Pain solo or Motorcycle empitness solo, not touch it for a while then play it spot, bollock on. Good look with that.
    Both greats of the UK guitar scene, and we've had many. JDB is always rated highly in our magazines. He's influenced by the Steve Jones and Slash.

    • @christschin3708
      @christschin3708 4 роки тому +5

      OctaveWar
      It wasn’t a competition, so no need to get angry, with the “let’s all see Johnny Marr attempt” stuff. Those songs you mentioned, weren’t on the show, so no need for Marr to try and learn or play them.
      Life’s can be fun at times.

    • @tonyh8965
      @tonyh8965 2 роки тому

      he'd do them standing on his head. Marr's one of the greatest to ever touch a guitar. better than JDB, who is a very good guitarist himself but marr is on a different planet.

  • @kevinkibble8342
    @kevinkibble8342 9 років тому +94

    Bradfield and Marr are both fantastic guitarists, and to be fair This Charming Man is one of the hardest riffs to learn. Plus there's probably some Manics songs that Johnny Marr might struggle to play, like Archives Of Pain. But British music has been blessed by the presence of these two very talented men.

    • @bigblackdrummachine8250
      @bigblackdrummachine8250 2 роки тому

      Idk I think this charming man is actually one of the easier smiths tracks to learn. After the intro bit and the chorus is down, which most could probably do in a few hours, it’s just the same jangly riff in the verses on repeat. The feel of it is definitely a lot harder to pull off though and very few can get the sound right even whilst playing the correct notes. Personally I’d say girl afraid is the hardest, but again obviously this is opinion so everything I’ve just said could be completely unrelatable to some which is fine:)

    • @1888gp
      @1888gp Рік тому +1

      @@bigblackdrummachine8250 lets see a video of you playing this easy riff then smart arse

    • @bigblackdrummachine8250
      @bigblackdrummachine8250 Рік тому

      @@1888gp i never said easy, i said one if the easier smiths tracks… and just fyi i can play it dipshit the whole reason started playing guitar was to learn all the smiths songs

    • @1888gp
      @1888gp Рік тому

      @@bigblackdrummachine8250 your clearly braindead

    • @MalMotorDedo
      @MalMotorDedo Рік тому

      ​​@@1888gp dude, c'mon, if you like the song, you can learn this quickly, also, Johnny has played this song on camera so much, you can learn it visually too.
      I fckn suck, I'm not a good guitarist and I learned the entirety of the song, including the outro, not hard.
      I would say that there's a lot of Smiths songs that are harder to learn, for the complexity and the lack of exposure of the songs (I'm saying this because Johnny has some very weird ways to play some of his riffs and it's very easy to not play those songs right).

  • @TheGalwayFarmer
    @TheGalwayFarmer 6 років тому +14

    Marr's playing with the Smiths was incredibly tight rhythmically and often at speed. That makes it difficult to replicate

    • @dannymcmince
      @dannymcmince 4 роки тому +2

      Special technique indeed!

    • @garydixon6315
      @garydixon6315 2 роки тому +1

      @@dannymcmince and unique musicality.

    • @kevinkibble8342
      @kevinkibble8342 Рік тому

      Yep. The key to his magic was not his fretwork like with so many other guitarists, but his strumming and picking patterns.

  • @AmyMuffin
    @AmyMuffin 13 років тому +10

    If any of you doubt JDB's guitar playing abilities, have a listen to Faster or Archives Of Pain...

    • @kevinkibble8342
      @kevinkibble8342 Рік тому

      Or anything off Generation Terrorists. He's also a brilliant singer and in my opinion a better vocalist than Morrissey.

  • @Indieguitarist2007
    @Indieguitarist2007 8 місяців тому

    3 amazing guitarists in one video, even if their styles are way different to each other people should be able to appreciate them all for what they are, geniuses.

  • @PantheonLincoln
    @PantheonLincoln 13 років тому +8

    The thing that makes this funny is that you can see James is really trying to get it right, yet fails every time. Then Johnny plays it without breaking a sweat and makes it see effortless.
    Both great guitarists though!

  • @Guitarfan1995
    @Guitarfan1995 13 років тому +12

    I feel very proud of myself that I can play something the JDB himself struggles with! To be fair, some Manics guitar solos are more difficult than any Smiths songs, but it's very tricky to get the right "feel" when playing a Smiths song. Even if you hit every note perfectly it still somehow doesn't sound as good as when Johnny plays it.

  • @MaghoxFr
    @MaghoxFr 11 років тому +7

    0:33 hilarious how it cuts from frustration to the peace of MArr

  • @aylise12
    @aylise12 13 років тому +5

    Hilarious! JDB's just trying too hard... but of course, Johnny over there just quietly playing it, sounding absolutely perfect.

  • @pippipster6767
    @pippipster6767 6 років тому +5

    Lord Marr of Smithsville 🎸 🎶

  • @evanderholiday3427
    @evanderholiday3427 7 років тому +46

    Why is everyone making it out to be a ridiculously hard riff to learn?
    Granted, it's a spectacular riff but it's not particularly difficult, just takes some getting used to. There's more difficult Smiths songs

    • @AnthonyBurrito1313
      @AnthonyBurrito1313 6 років тому +6

      I found it fairly accessible with a little work.

    • @ethandowse9145
      @ethandowse9145 5 років тому +1

      William and girl afraid

    • @madeliefhonnef4294
      @madeliefhonnef4294 4 роки тому +1

      girl afraid is a really difficult riff

    • @tat3w
      @tat3w 4 роки тому +3

      I totally agree it’s really not that hard if you have fingers

  • @staff7773
    @staff7773 13 років тому +1

    love the way johnny mutes it perfectly when other people let the strings distort, i think hes played that riff a few times...

  • @melitosse
    @melitosse 12 років тому +5

    Wow ! I never knew Steve Vai had good taste !

  • @yknot10
    @yknot10 13 років тому +1

    Wow, Marr is the only person who can can only really play this and the best part is he can barely remember it! Awesome!!

  • @billallen2126
    @billallen2126 11 років тому +5

    started with shredding
    'evolved' on to this stuff
    much happier now
    on the whole

  • @MrKolokolok
    @MrKolokolok 12 років тому +1

    @StupidNutter "It was something I couldn't do... and then I could" sounds like a Morrissey lyric

  • @billallen2126
    @billallen2126 11 років тому +1

    respect.
    he were
    givin' it.

  • @onyx747
    @onyx747 2 роки тому +1

    jbd and i have one thing in common when it comes to playing guitar
    struggling to play This Charming Man

  • @onkelmarvin8360
    @onkelmarvin8360 3 роки тому +1

    I read in an interview with Johnny Marr, that there are actually15 tracks of guitar on This Charming man.............15......go figure !!!!!

  • @bookwormgal1996
    @bookwormgal1996 13 років тому +1

    LMFAO ahh I love both JDB and Johnny Marr

  • @dewaarista91
    @dewaarista91 4 роки тому +2

    Johnny Marr's hardest riff : This Charming Man
    James Dean Bradfield's hardest riff : Slash and Burn

    • @fuckamericanidiot
      @fuckamericanidiot 3 роки тому

      I hope you're being serious, that run up that JDB does on Slash n Burn is hard!! And delicious!! XD

  • @webster670
    @webster670 12 років тому +1

    "You motherless fuck!" I adore James.

  • @rmccaw7
    @rmccaw7 12 років тому

    "I'm in a rock & roll band", the lead guitar episode. It was on the BBC a couple of years ago, in a 7 part series, i believe.

  • @ethandowse9145
    @ethandowse9145 5 років тому +18

    It's not actually that hard, if you've tried to play William it was really nothing you'll know what I mean

  • @billallen2126
    @billallen2126 11 років тому

    yes, because you love it so much.
    that's why i always say,
    learn your favourites, man.

  • @gentrelane
    @gentrelane 11 років тому +5

    hahaha poor james

  • @kieranxmaria499
    @kieranxmaria499 12 років тому +3

    I prefer James but thats just me

  • @OctaveWar
    @OctaveWar 12 років тому +6

    Early Manics stuff never sounded bland, in fact their first 3 albums are the best ones as they had the evil, depressive lyrics of Richie + the music genius of James Dean Bradfield and Sean Mooor. Its like have Robert Smith and Slash in one room writting stuff. Obviously their bigger successes were the Everthing must go and Truth album with won all the big awards and sales but the solos on Generation Terrorist and the evil on Holy Bible owned. Iconic band, wish they were English.

  • @devtherevLS
    @devtherevLS 12 років тому +1

    Both have different playing styles. JDB is very punk/metal influenced whilst Marr is more of a jangly pop type with folk influences. I'm sure Marr would struggle to play some of the Manics more intricate stuff off the top of his head, like Archives Of Pain, IfWhiteAmericaToldTheTruth or Condemned To Rock N' Roll, like Bradfield is here with This Charming Man which, to be fair, is a very difficult riff to play.
    Both are different types of guitarists, but equally amazing. Let's appreciate that!

  • @cherdawg
    @cherdawg 13 років тому

    LOL@ "oh, you motherless fuck!"

  • @1madaboutguitar
    @1madaboutguitar 12 років тому +1

    I somehow doubt that Steve Vai clip wasn't taken out of context but hey...amazing riff!!

  • @iwillnevergetone5
    @iwillnevergetone5 12 років тому

    ahaha yes! i was gonna quote that but you beat me to it. I play this riff pretty everyday also haha

  • @dimabbq
    @dimabbq 13 років тому

    fuckiiiin unbelievable

  • @turricaned
    @turricaned 12 років тому

    Gordon Bennett... Here's the deal - James is an astonishing guitarist no matter what you might think of MSP, one of the very few who can play complex lead runs and tight rhythmical chops *while singing*. Johnny Marr is also an astonishing guitarist because he comes up with rhythm parts which a lot of self-titled "lead guitarists" can't play without a lot of practice. Vai's a shredder, and a good one (possibly one of the best) - but that stuff leaves me a bit cold.

  • @gmoactive
    @gmoactive 13 років тому

    @adds3566 I really like how hes showing respect to johnny, specially since i mean, he is steve vai. two great guitar players who have their own unique style and sound.

  • @Bobrobbaru
    @Bobrobbaru 13 років тому

    Johnny Marr shut downnnnnn!

  • @bishrab
    @bishrab 4 роки тому

    That last line from the narrator hit too close to home.

  • @wildrobson
    @wildrobson Рік тому

    Cool!

  • @rmccaw7
    @rmccaw7 12 років тому +1

    i can see you've not sat on the fence on this one, JohnnyMarr85! Also, you are quite wrong about Bradfield's ability. He is a guitar hero to as many if not more than Marr is.

  • @TDogthe3rd
    @TDogthe3rd 12 років тому

    'Motherless fuck' is my new favourite insult!

  • @onewaystate
    @onewaystate 12 років тому

    "Ya motherless fuck!!" hahahahaha

  • @MattJames1958
    @MattJames1958 5 років тому

    "You motherless fuck" 😂😂😂

  • @KeyboardAttacker
    @KeyboardAttacker 14 років тому

    @jarvococko sweet. How is it called? it's on the BBC? sorry to ask but i'm not in the uk and I love their doco, like the story of the guitar.

  • @Chasb001
    @Chasb001 Рік тому

    Probably the most difficult riff I have ever played badly

  • @Reint25
    @Reint25 14 років тому

    @KeyboardAttacker0 It's called ''I'm In a Rock 'n' Roll Band''. But if you're not from the UK, just like me, you can download it with a torrent program (if yu don't know how that works, you should pm me).

  • @makeminea99
    @makeminea99 13 років тому

    No-one can play this riff, not even Johnny Marr. It came from Space.

  • @rmccaw7
    @rmccaw7 12 років тому

    the manic street preachers are one of the most influential bands of the last 40 years. As a writer as well as a lead guitarist he is at the very least level with Marr, not to mention far more varied in what he does and can play and write.

    • @JakeTheRake1000
      @JakeTheRake1000 3 роки тому +1

      What are you on about, no-one has heard of manic Street Preachers hahahaha

    • @rmccaw7
      @rmccaw7 3 роки тому

      @@JakeTheRake1000 to be fair, I'm a lot older now 😂😂

  • @imstoned6
    @imstoned6 13 років тому

    @adds3566 well sure he can now, but it seems to me that he's referring back to when he wasn't so advanced on the guitar. like probably around when this song came out.

  • @bzhyoyo
    @bzhyoyo Рік тому

    videos like this one made me shy away from learning the song and after giving it a go, well, it's not that hard. "Nowhere Fast" was tons harder to learn. There's a particular feel to it (syncopations are very important in this riff), but that's about it. It's not insanely fast, the shapes are not impossible to play. So give it a go, don't be too impressed. Now, to play it as well as Marr, that's of course another thing.

  • @TheRockSlammer
    @TheRockSlammer 13 років тому +1

    Noel Gallagher said in an interview on youtube that Johnny Marr isnt even as good as Johnny Marr, so profound and so true.

  • @intrsoul
    @intrsoul 13 років тому +1

    @adds3566 try it. it's harder than it sounds.

  • @asm1
    @asm1 14 років тому

    @Andyvswild it was on iPlayer at the time I posted as the series had just aired on the BBC. It will probably have been taken down long ago. Internet searching is your friend, somebody will have ripped and uploaded it somewhere - I'm in a rock and roll band - the guitarist (i think)

  • @Zerusuke
    @Zerusuke 13 років тому

    @ozmonster2000 Awesome cover. I just checked it out and it sounds awesome, nice job!

  • @billallen2126
    @billallen2126 11 років тому

    oh, this vid rules, okay?
    i was seeing myself, ha ha.
    like on that episode of 'father ted',
    "ok, wait, wait..there!" magic, cheers.

  • @LegalizeHeroin1
    @LegalizeHeroin1 11 років тому

    I thought the same exact thing.

  • @Zerusuke
    @Zerusuke 13 років тому

    @ozmonster2000 No problem. I'll check the rest of your videos later. Take care!

  • @ditta1988
    @ditta1988 14 років тому

    I'm In A Rock N' Roll Band

  • @Robcatist
    @Robcatist 13 років тому

    @stevo6531 Marr is going to play This Charming man well as he wrote it! I wonder what sort of fist he would make of Motorcycle Emptiness!!!!!!!??????

    • @christschin3708
      @christschin3708 4 роки тому

      Robcatist
      That isn’t even hard. Any intermediate guitarist can play that quite easily.

  • @mjloy76
    @mjloy76 14 років тому

    live forever intro.

  • @ManicStreetKillers
    @ManicStreetKillers 12 років тому

    @theeuphioquestion excuse me? did you just say JDB was awful...type in Motorcycle emptiness or Archives of pain...

  • @rockguru123
    @rockguru123 4 роки тому +1

    Is Steve Vai actually talking about This Charming Man here, or just learning guitar and riffs in general? Really interested to know if he's a fan of Johnny.

    • @dannymcmince
      @dannymcmince 4 роки тому +2

      I seriously doubt that Vai has difficulty in playing that song!

    • @jonmccormick8683
      @jonmccormick8683 4 роки тому +1

      @@dannymcmince It is easy, but hard to play. =So alot of times it sounds like crap.

    • @dannymcmince
      @dannymcmince 4 роки тому

      @@jonmccormick8683 Fair enough

  • @johnbarry1965
    @johnbarry1965 Рік тому

    JDB needs to get the right settings on his amp first

  • @abelisraelcruzayuso4682
    @abelisraelcruzayuso4682 3 роки тому

    Could they put a fragment when Johnny doesn’t fuck it up?

  • @MrSamuraibry
    @MrSamuraibry 13 років тому

    @Tom2610 what a nice person you are, clearly a manics fan :)

  • @ollyg235
    @ollyg235 3 роки тому

    the trick is that Marr's guitar here is tuned two frets up (as you can see when he plays the shape of G major chord it sounds A major), the riff involves a lot of open first string so that's why it sounded wrong in James' version cos he tried to play it in original tuning. in original tuning riff should be played in G major, (starting from 12th fret)

  • @danileo13
    @danileo13 12 років тому

    Can somebody tell me the name of this documentary please?

  • @billallen2126
    @billallen2126 11 років тому

    yeah, i'm not seein' it, mate.

  • @rmccaw7
    @rmccaw7 12 років тому

    the manics are WAY older than Oasis anyway

  • @04adamski
    @04adamski 14 років тому

    @KosmicFlux on the fact they make shite boring music that is based on oasis, but slighty toned down

  • @Britpopsoul
    @Britpopsoul 11 років тому

    Are you watching the same video..

  • @ethanc1719
    @ethanc1719 2 роки тому

    Steve vai🤯

  • @LunaSeaSane
    @LunaSeaSane 13 років тому

    Hi John. How's it hangin'?

  • @THEGUITARSHAMMAN
    @THEGUITARSHAMMAN 12 років тому

    So steve vai means to tell me that he can shred as many notes as he possibly can, yet he couldn't play this charming man. *facepalm*

  • @TheGalwayFarmer
    @TheGalwayFarmer 12 років тому

    @rockguru123 dunno, G, then D then E?

  • @DLaronde04
    @DLaronde04 11 років тому

    If it wasnt for the Beatles there would be no Oaisis, Tears for Fears, Radiohead and a shitload of others upto and including U2.

  • @product79
    @product79 13 років тому

    @jarvococko what's it called?

  • @User-jk8wq
    @User-jk8wq 4 роки тому

    Anyone know what show this is from?

  • @rockguru123
    @rockguru123 12 років тому

    Does anyone know the chord progression Marr plays? It isn't the original!

  • @paulstearne1
    @paulstearne1 12 років тому

    Not for everyone.

  • @mushroomassassin3504
    @mushroomassassin3504 7 років тому

    Even steve vai couldnt play it lol. Shit good luck to me mate

  • @Alfejkunz
    @Alfejkunz 12 років тому

    What film is this from?

  • @billallen2126
    @billallen2126 11 років тому

    he were wastin' his time, coulda' just typed:
    'mccawww, mccaww, mccaaaawww'. same 'diff'.

  • @adds3566
    @adds3566 13 років тому

    why is steve vai in this clip? he could play this riff blind folded..

  • @henkpaardevet
    @henkpaardevet 11 років тому

    not playing the song on this clip. probably still didnt master it....like me;-)

  • @scottvaughn9
    @scottvaughn9 6 років тому

    What is this clip from?

  • @MyBeardisGood
    @MyBeardisGood 14 років тому

    Does anyone have accurate tabs for This Charming Man? Haven't been able to find any tabbed out the way Marr seems to play it

  • @vodkabearsbabushka
    @vodkabearsbabushka 12 років тому

    what documentary is this from?

  • @KeyboardAttacker
    @KeyboardAttacker 14 років тому

    what is it from?

  • @notnavonnam
    @notnavonnam 11 років тому

    who are you preaching to?

  • @hyllaf
    @hyllaf 12 років тому

    he said that about Elton John not James!!!!

  • @arossycor29
    @arossycor29 12 років тому

    what is this clip from??

  • @JohnnyMarr85
    @JohnnyMarr85 12 років тому +1

    Far more varied?! Manics one of the most influential bands of the last 40 years? Jesus H, take a lie down McCaw.

  • @yoshimano
    @yoshimano 12 років тому

    And then they discovered shredding doesn't mean being able to play the guitar well

    • @MattJames1958
      @MattJames1958 5 років тому +2

      JDB's a great guitarist, its a ehole lot more than just shredding

  • @maladjusted97
    @maladjusted97 12 років тому +1

    Now I see why Morrissey once called JDB a crushing bore. He really is.

  • @Victor_Nica
    @Victor_Nica 8 років тому

    Maybe if you slow it down, and practice it, you'll get it?

    • @MattJames1958
      @MattJames1958 5 років тому +1

      They make it clear that they can play it, but its easy to fuck up

  • @sagnier
    @sagnier 11 років тому +2

    whats steve vai doing in there?!

    • @thai2go
      @thai2go 7 років тому +1

      Because of Johnny fucking Marr!