Could we get a fan manga of Vegeta’s mother? A short fan manga would do. I’m literally curious of what her name could be. I suggested Ayote. Just to change the name instead of Vegeena, Vega, or Vegita. Y’know?
I'd actually be okay with Tarble being Vegeta's half-brother, they never seemed like full siblings and it could give Vegeta another reason to think less of him.
Tbh it kinda makes sense why Vegeta doesn't really care about tarble it's been shown that saiyans don't really care about their children or sibling at all really.
@@daxie__3210 I suppose, Vegeta definitely seems like the typical saiyan in his debut and for most of Z. But overtime he's matured and become more open to the idea of growing close to a family and feeling some semblance of love. Sure Goku isn't like Saiyans in the sense that he's not an invader and conqueror of worlds but most of that is thanks to his upbringing and concussion altering his nature. As time went on Goku began to act more and more like a saiyan, albeit not as ruthless and sorta caring. He likes his family but thinks of them as some extension of friends. But Vegeta does feel a difference between his comrades and his family, and I feel maybe if he looked back he could feel some regret at his attitude towards his little brother. I figured he'd still acknowledge his brother's weakness but doesn't think of him as a disgrace anymore since his values have changed.
Oh yeah! That was a weird one, I almost forgot about that one. I guess it was mainly down to us being so mystified by his character at the time...we sort of still are.
I remember thinking that this theory was actually true in the last episode of DBS when there was that glass shattering effect before Goku, Frieza, and 17 vs Jiren
Thing is, even though that didn't happen, the show would proceed to have at least 3 different fake outs involving fighters getting wiped out (goku, vegeta, 17). The Grand Priest even thinking some of them were outright gone. If situations like that can happen, it's not like clones would've been impossible. But I guess it's besides the point.
I wasn't expecting King Vegeta to have a queen tbh, considering saiyans' opinions of family, I figured she'd probably just be as concubine or something
Imagine after banning broly, king vegita is like "Find his mom, i want whatever genes she passed down for my next son" then as he is getting funky in bed, frieza blows up the planet
well theoretically when he was taking a queen vegeta probably wasnt born yet even if he was the son of a concubine so itd be the planet or me which case it could just be him because a planet cant take a queen (i know it was a joke i just dont care)
Crazy theory: Although we are led to believe the fusion dance has a set time that becomes small by power out put what if its just by how well adjusted your body is to such techniques so the more you use it the longer it becomes but also be effected by age take gotenks whos fusion seems to last longer now then Z and Gogeta staying fused for a long time in blue and super which may be result of the (possibly more intense) potata that their body's have become adjusted to Ik its dumb and not very likely but i felt it was worth the thought
I just think its that Metamoran and Potara fusion arent affected the same way. SSj3 ended Metamoran fusion early because it bleeds ki. God forms dont do this. SSB Vegito was ended early by using too my power, aka output, not drain.
0:56 A Dragon Ball fan admitting that they were wrong!? Impossible!! XD But I'm still sticking with the idea Vegeta's mother is named either Vegeta or Tarble. Sticking with the royal family having the same names. So yes, Random Sayain: My Lord, Vegeta is in danger! King Vegeta: My planet? My son? My queen? Or me? Random Sayain: Yes... **Gets blasted**
lol, I LOVE that Scar quote! XD Also, in Xenoverse, Perfect Cell has a special quote for the "Frieza race" CACs in Parallel Quests. "I have all the data I need on the Frost Demons." I doubt the name of Frost Demons is just a fan-made name by that example alone.
I imagine the members of Frieza's race are so few that they really don't have a need a name for it. They'd likely just refer to the individual member they're talking about or call them his family if talking about multiple.
A possible theory for Frieza's species, we know they're mutants, it's possible they're rogue bio-weapons and there is no proper parent species per sey. Cold was designed by some species similar to the tuffles (probably not the tuffles themselves, just similar in society,) went rogue, blew up their planet and did his own thing. Hence their few numbers and insane power (Frieza went from weaker then a super sayian to comparable to Gods in 4 months. FOUR months! Goku's last 5 power-ups took longer.)
Which is odd considering Goku was just a newborn when Planet Vegeta was destroyed (not to mention Vegeta himself was pretty young then). Maybe it’s a birth deficiency.
Another random guy what makes you think his mom is extraordinary? Neither of Goku’s parents were yet look how powerful he is. Prodigies skip generations you know.
Fusion fan theory: Vegito Blue defused for plot just like Buu Saga Vegito and GT SSJ4 Gogeta. What’s the point of going the distance if they weren’t going to end the fight. It’s all down to plot.
I really liked the take about the name of Frieza's Specie/Race, which is as you say defined by the name of their strongest ruler (the highest hierarchical being in their culture ace). I even thought about something that might supports this claim. For example now after the Broly movie we know that the Sayians were ruled for quite some time by King Cold and he was the one being above the Sayians, so it is not far-fetched to assume that he dictated how the Sayians race hierarchy should look like by (consciously or unconsciously) apply his view of the world (which is in this case the race naming criteria), and we can actually see it presented by the way the Sayians were keeping the same name of their race's strongest ruler as a heritage for the next generations of the race (Vegata is applied to be Vegeta the 4th, then we have King Vegeta, and the planet itself is called planet Vegeta). I hope I was about to deliver my initial thought, whether or not its true or false just thought about mentioning this out.
When Bulla was first born in Super, Vegeta was going to give her a "proper Saiyan name". Something like Shallot. Perhaps it was his intention to name her after his mother, the queen?
I still have a theory as that Freiza and his Race are essentially Xenomorphs from Alien which is why Toriyamas reluctant silence on the issue. It's all there he doesn't appear to have reproductive organs or a reason to have a form exactly like the Xenomorph. If this was the case Frieza and his Golden form could just be super Sayain just from a hybreed form... I'd like that as a name for their Race actually Hybreeds cause their high bred hybrids.
7:32 I called them Frigusians in my Starfinder/Pathfinder homebrew race of them, but I know that's not an official name. It's just better than what we've got.
I always understood it as Zalama was the dragon god that came out of the Super Dragon Balls. you summon him through a ritual of his own making and he rewards you for completing this monumental task of completing this summoning with asking him one single thing, since he can do anything there is no limit to what you can ask, and once done he simply goes back to wherever he resides normally and goes about his business once more.
One fan theory I always had was that Vegeta and Tarble weren’t King Vegeta’s only children and the way you talk about Saiyan culture seems like something they could do. I doubt they would, but I think it would be a fun way to introduce more about saiyan history and life or maybe even bring back an old ruling family that lost to the original king vegeta in war for planet.
Another good video masako, always enjoy watching your video and others. It usually pulls me back into what scenarios and discuss them. Even at times they don't seem very well received and sometimes makes me hesitant to talk about them. Keep up the good work
@@KaiserMattTygore927 I felt that putting it like that would just make it the same as Arcosians as a name but... looking into it now I dont think theres any part of the Arcosian name that makes an ice pun? I always figured 'Arco' was some weird cold-related word someone pulled from a thesaurus.
@Luis Suazo kinda make it a rule for myself to ignore dubisms The name "Frieza Race" was simplistic as is and assuming Masako's theory of every emperor naming the race after themselves is true then I could see it working, simple or not. While the japanese approach makes sense, wouldnt that make it equally as simplistic as "Ice race" to anyone who speaks japanese anyways? Maybe itd be better to look into the naming schemes of "Saiya-jin" and "Namekian" to get a better idea of what Toriyama would name em though.
Remember the "all Angels are Ultra-Instincting all the time?" theory. GOD, I love when a fan theory does nothing more than shrink the universe and make it less special to make it more "organized."
I had an old DBZ theory that was CONFIRMED by Super. When Goku was caught off guard, he got hurt by normal weapons. I wondered how, if they can tank enough energy to explode the moon, why can they still be hurt by having rocks smashed into them (Krillin, Majin Veg, Freeza). Confirmed DB characters bodies could be slightly scratched by bullets but training their ki protects them from galaxy level energy.
@@artemiostriantafyllou7986 there is a saiyan that looks exactly like recoome in the broly movie in terms of facial structure near brolys birth tank thing
That was my theory. I assumed that the reason Trunks had different hair color was because he wasn't the same Trunks who traveled back for the Cell stuff, but actually the future version of the canon Trunks. The fact Mai was there seemed to support that idea. So surely Goku Black was a demented Goten.
Just wanna say thanks for keeping school work during quarantine entertaining Everyday I would end up listening to different what if's ones I remember being; vegito stayed fused, frieza turned good and cell turned good
Masako, I'm happy you're covering some fan theories, and I definitely consider you an authority on Dragon Ball Z lore. However, man, please this is an intervention. Goku didn't forget to take the heart medicine. You're a near-perfect knowledge of the lore has only one flaw. Please Masko, hear my plea!
I actually like the idea of the queen just being a genetic sample or whatever, it's super messed up but, actually deciding that sounds like it could be based on combat prowess to make sure the next line in royalty is as strong as they can be. Makes me imagine Vegeta's mom as some super tough mid class saiyan or something before meeting King Vegeta.
My theory so far is wrong; I thought the newest villain in DBS was going to combine the attacks such as Big Bang Special Beam Cannon, etc. I thought we were going to see the Villian combine attacks and abilities just fusing them together but I was wrong. I hope my theory isn't wrong but so far it is.
But what if we had seen Moro use hax for a more creative, diverse combat than just punches and lasers? FOOL, YOU FELL FOR IT! *FINAL SPECIAL BANG WAVE!*
@@artemiostriantafyllou7986 that would be awesome. See morrow use kiaoken times 20 Big Bang attack XD. The Final Flash Hell Zone grenades! Big Bang spirit bomb!
I remember prior to the Universe 6 tournament arc where some people thought Hit and Frost were related. It was mostly due to not knowing how Hit would be pronounced in localization so it was assumed his name was Heat (which would parallel Frost). I was very much down for it too. Sad it never happened. Also, I get the feeling Zalama might just be introduced in a later arc when the stakes are high enough for Goku and Vegeta to start fighting beings on Zeno's level. Usually a brief mention is just putting a pin in the concept for later.
@@ct183 everybody has flaws AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES US HUMANS!! but that doesn't mean akira is a bad writer cause the very topic we(including you) are discussing is because akira wrote it whoever your favorite character in db,dbz,dbs,dbgt is your fav. because akira toriyama created him and this franchise
You showing Tarble in that one fan-theory is making me question if him being in Raging Blast 2 was a sign that he was canon to Dragon Ball in its entirety, along with Cooler...I dunno, should read more into it.
After thinking through some things, I’m updating my hypothetical “What if Vegeta was Female” concept I put into a comment thread a few days ago; feel free to skip this if you are not interested. Saiyans not being explicitly misogynistic means that a female Vegeta would likely be similar to the male counterpart in the OG universe, Saiyan pride and arrogance and all. Really, the biggest difference from the OG timeline would occur after the Frieza saga finishes. We all know that male Vegeta had the hots for Bulma, so who would female Vegeta get hot and bothered by? Vegeta would be attracted to someone brash and outspoken. No offense to anyone, but Vegeta would have very slim pickings from among the Z fighters, since they are either mildly terrified of the girl or on the same/higher power level as Vegeta, thus not seeing her as a threat with no reason to bluster. That said, there is a possibility for at least some mild shenanigans: Yajirobe would have cut her tail off. She would remember this, and might even ask about that warrior dumb enough to cut her tail off. Perhaps after some hijinks, Vegeta would get bored and conclude that he’s just a coward with one blip of bravery. I do think that, instead of getting down with Bulma, a female Vegeta would develop a very strong friendship with the brash young genius, maybe even opening up to her about no males meeting her standards. There could be more hijinks where Bulma tries to set up Vegeta on some blind dates, only for each date to backfire for obvious reasons. Filler is wonderful, isn’t it? ;) She would likely conclude that she may not be ready to have a kid; even if she had a kid, she wouldn’t settle down to raise the kid for any reason, training and her pride being her primary focus at this time. So, no one would make babies with Vegeta right after the Frieza saga’s end. But would things stay that way? This leaves a lot of questions about whom would come back from the future to warn Goku about the heart virus, and give the medication. Personally, I think that it would be future Gohan to come back. Without having to watch over Trunks in the future destroyed by Androids, future Gohan would have been more effective at fighting them, and would be more likely to survive the devastation. Future Gohan would be the one to deliver the heart virus medication to Goku, and he would be a bit more insistent on him taking it. Much like with Trunks, he wouldn’t tell Goku his name, and would be even more vague about his own identity, because his kid self is walking around in front of him. Vegeta, however, is very impressed by the strong Saiyan warrior from the future... but she doesn’t flirt, because Vegeta doesn’t flirt. She doesn’t get a chance to get to know the mysterious Super Saiyan before he travels back to the future, however. She remembers that hunk for later... hmmm, three years, huh? With the medication delivered and future Gohan promising to come back in three years’ time to help the Z fighters face the Androids, things would go about the same as they do in the original timeline (without Trunks existing of course) leading up to the Android Saga, with Vegeta coming back as a Super Saiyan finishing off Android 19 with ease; she perhaps showboats a bit more than usual, wanting to impress the time traveller with her strength, and gets annoyed when future Gohan shows up AFTER the destruction of the androids. Then Future Gohan drops the bombshell: these aren’t the androids that destroyed the future.... To be continued....
After asking to speak with Kid Gohan alone, Gohan-san and Kid Gohan go to the edge of the Lookout. Sitting down, they stare out at the blue expanse before them. “You know,” Gohan-san starts, “when it comes to fighting, how do you find it?” Kid Gohan is taken aback by this, and thinks for a minute. “Well,” Kid Gohan begins, “it’s a way to bond with Dad, and it’s how we stop bad guys from hurting others.” Gohan-san nods, confirming what he suspected. “So, you fight because you have to, because there is always someone who needs to be fought.” “Well, yeah.” Gohan-san is quiet for a moment, and leans back a little. “I’ve been the same for a long time,” he continues. “First, Dad dying, then the Androids tearing everything apart, then traveling to the past to save the future; just one necessary fight after another.” Kid Gohan, curious, listens to his older self. Gohan-san smiles. “That all changed when I met Vegeta again. I began to love fighting, just as much as she does.” Gohan, continuing, says “There’s this euphoric rush that comes with fighting a strong and willing opponent, someone skilled and capable, someone that challenges you to your very core. It’s a rush that feels completely different from the usual fights I got caught up in.” Kid Gohan, surprised, shivers a little and looks away, his face creased with worry. “How do you handle... it?” Kid Gohan asks. “That... berserk anger and rage.” Gohan-san nods. There it is, he thinks. “I learned to let it go.” Kid Gohan turns his head back to look at Gohan-san’s eyes, a skeptical look on his face. “When fighting the Androids,” Gohan-san continued, “when I was the only real fighter left, the rage was constantly tripping me up.” He shut his eye, reliving the painful memory of losing the other one. “I was desperately trying to just stay calm, to stuff that rage in a place where the sun wouldn’t ever see it again.” “That doesn’t work,” Kid Gohan said. Gohan-san nodded, and touched his missing eye. “Yep... it sure doesn’t.” Kid Gohan realized that this older form of himself has been through just as much, if not more, than he has. He reaches out, and grabs Gohan-san’s other hand. The two of them share a moment of empathy for each other’s pain. “Finally, I got to the point where I stopped fighting it,” Gohan-san continued. “It was a part of me, and would forever be there, waiting to come out. Eventually, I learned to call on it, first in desperation, then in calculated bursts. I began to explore exactly what that berserker rage was, where it came from. I found that it came from a combination of the two sides of our heritage: Our Saiyan warrior spirit, and our Human sense of justice. The rage would trigger whenever I saw an injustice I couldn’t correct easily, and the rage would come roaring out to smash whatever it was into submission so justice could be served. But by constantly punishing myself for even getting angry, I was turning that rage inward on myself, punishing myself for allowing it to come out. But with every transgression, with every time I saw something I couldn’t fix-“ “The rage would trigger, all the time, and would trigger again whenever the rage got triggered,” Kid Gohan blurted out, a look of understanding coming over his face. “So that’s why you let it go. That destructive cycle couldn’t continue.” He’s got it, Gohan-san thought. “When I finally let the anger just be itself,” Gohan-san continued, “I immediately turned into a Super Saiyan. My own self-loathing had nearly held me back from the power needed to protect the people I care about and love. Sure, it was a wake-up call when the Androids still kicked my butt despite being Super Saiyan, but that defeat felt different. Every time I fell, I learned something new, tested a new tactic, tried another trick. That detachment from the results has done nothing but serve me well ever since.” Gohan-san ruffled Kid Gohan’s hair. “You’ll figure it out, I know you will,” he said. “Cell won’t stand a chance.” Both of them smile a knowing, confident smile, as the week of training was about to begin... To be continued....
That Zalama theory not being true was kind of a shame. Maybe not in such a grandiose way, but it would have been nice to have something other than 'just another power up.' In addition, explaining why Goku had that monstrous 'secondary voice' accompanying his voice, when ever he talked, or grunted, would have been nice. But, As Masako pointed out, Dragon Ball is a very simple show, sometimes to its benefit, but at times its to its detriment as well.
I agree about the extra 6 universes. There is no indication they ever existed, plus it breaks the whole "twin universe" thing that 1-12 have. Even Whis doesn't seem to know if the tale is true or not, and it seems to be more of an urban legend in-universe.
It might just be in the dub but Vegita says at one point “I’m not even sure if I have a grandma” if this was in the original it means that Saiyans probably cloned.
Vegeta and Tarble's mother(s) being a genetic donor and not a queen or caretaker makes sense. Tarble is more powerful than he gets credit for, though; they react to his approaching power at his introduction and had been fighting and fleeing from two warriors said to be as strong as Frieza. He doesn't have the warrior's spirit but he's no slouch
Debunking the debunk of Friezas race a little bit here. In the Xenoverse games if you pit Perfect Cell against a Frieza race CaC he does acknowledge them as "Frost Demons"
@@MasakoX That is a great question, hopefully we either get some depth in either a future CaC centric game or from the writers/Toriyama themselves. But what is also quite strange is that, once again in Xenoverse- Frieza refers to the CaC as a "traitor" and implies he kills traitors of his race on the spot. Could it be that the reason we only see Cold, Frieza, and Cooler- with rarely much mention of the race or homeworld could be that the Cold family simply took out the entirety of their own race for one reason or the other? Pretty farfetched bur food for though.
@@monsunoguy19 Why wouldn't they? They're megalomaniacs thought to be freaks of nature of their own kind. They could see others that rebelled and inferior to them as an embarrassment to their extra-ordinary power.
@@Naruku2121 I'd think so too, but that would be a biiiit jarring if they suddenly came out with that element of story for Frieza's origin. Maaaaaybe its a matter of galactic jurisdiction? Like a small number of Frieza race embark on their business ventures per galaxy since there littlerally isn't enough room for a planet of super powerful space pirates. Universal war could break out over territorial disputes. Maybe
I just want to point out that Frieza's race is canonically called the Frost Demons. Cell even refers to them in Xenoverse when you fight against him playing as a "Frieza race" CaC.
Honestly one of my personal fan theories is that Zeno just puts on an act. He is smarter than he lets on, and he may have erased countless universes and then had new ones created, in a sort of cycle till finally there were mortals who were selfless like 17 was
I still like Ice-jin as the name for Freeza's race, even though in English it would have to be Icean or something a little clumsier. Also, the Vegeta theory seems pretty accurate. King Vegeta would totally choose a mate based on good genes.
My theory is that Zalama is Zen-Oh. Zalama is his true name and Zen-Oh is just his title. It would explain why the Super Shenron can grant any wish including undoing erasures that Zen-Oh did.
I personally think that the missing universes will contain the next major villain, and when 17 brought all the universes back, he brought the 6 extra back too. I would like to see someone like Janbemba or Bojack who took control of the universes, so Zeno destroyed them
Do forget Power levels are Bull$#*t is myth because toriyama tossed them away because he felt power levels would spoil the outcome of a fight for fans.
Regarding number 3, Dragon Ball Legends actually does show the 6 universes existing. It's even the motivation for the main villain. Sure, non-canon game, but considering a game is showing it, it means it did happen.
On Vegeta not having a mother: Wasn't Nappa kinda implied to be Vegeta's 'nanny' or carer? I kinda get that feeling. He seemed to have been placed in a position of responsibility for young Vegeta and young Raditz in that scene in the recent Broly movie. I might be reading too much into it.
Here's one: If both Universe 6 and 7 were erased in the Tournament of Power, would the Super Dragon Balls be erased as well, since they are connected to both of their universes?
I don't believe so. Just because the Super Dragon Balls are shown to be in both of those universes doesn't mean they're exclusive to them. They probably roam around each of the 12 universes, like how the Earth Dragon Balls are scattered around Earth and likewise for the Namekian Dragon Balls. The range they can scatter could be or is multiversal.
@@glacierwolf2155 I'm pretty sure that they are only scattered across universes 6 and 7, making them exclusive to those two universes. They mentioned it in Universe 6 Tournament arc, by that Zuno guy who supposedly knows everything.
They were _in_ U6 & U7, but they were probably created outside of them. Also, we don't know how matter is "bound" to a Universe. eg we don't know what would happen if Frieza joined U9 and then U7 lost. Also, when F Zeno erased the F Timeline, Trunks and Mai were fine. Besides, Zeno could just erase the universe but not the dragonballs.
@@artemiostriantafyllou7986 well dragon balls only exist in u6 and u7 also champa and beerus are brothers and were born in the same universe more than likely and the way the super dragonballs work is 3 in u6 3 in u7 1 in the space between them
That’s the great thing about theory’s, there not meant to be right or wrong. They are there too make everyone think and come up with there own theories or similar theories.
Hence why I like making discussion videos. They are out there for people to muse over. These theories are interesting and I appreciate the ingenious ideas behind them...it's just a shame that the most obvious answer is most likely the most 'accurate'. Nevertheless, good on the fandom for being creative.
And that video doesn't mean that we won't be doing any more wacky theories ourselves... in fact we have one incoming quite soon. It's just a little reminder to treat those things with a grain of salt, as in modern day we often tend to treat theories as facts and get disappointed afterwards. :)
I just realized something. If Vegeta was born at the same time as Goku, how did tarble survive the destruction of planet Vegeta? He was VERY young too.
I have a theory , what happens if you are in the in the process of being pulled together by the the potara earings, you are somehow for some apparent reason are able to resist it and then do the fusion dance. What would that be called. I know that it is impossible to resist bieng pulled together by the potara but what happens if someonme is able ti do it?
#001 A theory I've had for a while as I read up on Vegeta's training during the the Moro arc was that the Namekians and the Yardrats were related species based off of their techniques. Healing = Dende and even Kami can do this Size Growth = Piccolo displaying this in Dragonball. This could factor in the stretchy arms he can do Cloning = Multi-form technique. This may be a strecth Albeit Krillin and Tien are shown to do this too. Not to mention Cell "Perfected" it. Instant Transmission = This one's a weird one, since there have been numerous iterations of teleportation. (Kami for example "teleporting" back and forth to King Yemma and Earth. And the fact only the Supreme Kais of any universe can "teleport" to Zeno). So this one is a bit up in the air.
Anybody remember the fan theory that Sayain kids get power boosts more easily when they are more powerful? Like Goten and Trunks became super sayains very young? If that was true then Bulla daughter of Super Sayain blue and Pan daughter of Mystic Gohan should be powerful lol
To be fair, they're still babies. They might become very powerful in the future for a few episodes or even a Saga - but of course, after that it will be _Goku Time_ again!
The entire series takes place in a dream. When goku hit his head he went into a coma, and his mind concocted an elaborate world for him to protect, so that he wouldn’t be overcome with his s cells and become a golden ozaru hell bent in destroying the planet. Piccolo represents his hatred for pickles. Vegeta represents his hatred for vegetables even though he knows they are good for him. And bulma and her entire family being named after underwear represents both his fascination with private parts and hatred for wearing underwear.
I’m going to write a fanfic on the premise that Goten has one quality that his brother lacks: wild creativity. I’ve come up with a way to bring that to the fore and use him for something that nobody else can do. Goku has had some creative moments, like in the 21st tournament where he helicopters himself back into the ring. Let’s give Goten something that can allow him to use those special reasoning skills.... Anyway, I love the idea of a creator god, a Grand Priest who serves as a “stasis” God, and Zen-oh as some mindless eraser. One day, the power of those other two may finally be enough to stop Zen-oh. I’ve been hoping that one of your future Trunks stories ends with Trunks bringing back everything Zen-oh ever has erased, and ever will erased, across all timelines, minus ZamaSilentU. Then when everything that annoys Zen-oh runs amok and he can’t erase any of it anymore, they instead need the power of a creator to solve their problems.
The title say "Theories DEBUNKED," yet the video just listed some unanswered questions, and that was it. You would think it would have used the questions to set up the theories, like the one about Vegeta's mother to debunk something like "is Nion Vegeta's mother" or something, but no. p.s. "Mother Nion" was an example of something to be debunked.
Thanks for watching! Hope you have a great day and let me know what other fan theories you've seen that we should cover in a future video.
hey Masako :3
Broly and kale transformation are the same
what did happen to zalama?
I'm still a hard believer in saying captain ginyu is a member of cold/freezer's source race
Could we get a fan manga of Vegeta’s mother? A short fan manga would do. I’m literally curious of what her name could be. I suggested Ayote. Just to change the name instead of Vegeena, Vega, or Vegita. Y’know?
Let us not forget the legendary theory of the appearance of El Hermano de Jiren, Jiren's older brother, in the Tournament of Power.
I still want him to be real...
Thats cannon what do you mean?
El Hermano de Jiren can beat Mastered UI Goku 1v1.
I don't know how you can bring up El Hermano and not at least mention Gohan Blanco.
oh no not my weakness
I'd actually be okay with Tarble being Vegeta's half-brother, they never seemed like full siblings and it could give Vegeta another reason to think less of him.
Tbh it kinda makes sense why Vegeta doesn't really care about tarble it's been shown that saiyans don't really care about their children or sibling at all really.
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I suppose, Vegeta definitely seems like the typical saiyan in his debut and for most of Z. But overtime he's matured and become more open to the idea of growing close to a family and feeling some semblance of love. Sure Goku isn't like Saiyans in the sense that he's not an invader and conqueror of worlds but most of that is thanks to his upbringing and concussion altering his nature. As time went on Goku began to act more and more like a saiyan, albeit not as ruthless and sorta caring. He likes his family but thinks of them as some extension of friends. But Vegeta does feel a difference between his comrades and his family, and I feel maybe if he looked back he could feel some regret at his attitude towards his little brother. I figured he'd still acknowledge his brother's weakness but doesn't think of him as a disgrace anymore since his values have changed.
Remember when people thought Hit wasn't eliminated and used a clone to fool everyone? XD
Prob the dumbest most annoying theory ever.
Oh yeah! That was a weird one, I almost forgot about that one. I guess it was mainly down to us being so mystified by his character at the time...we sort of still are.
I remember thinking that this theory was actually true in the last episode of DBS when there was that glass shattering effect before Goku, Frieza, and 17 vs Jiren
The denial was real there 😂😂
Thing is, even though that didn't happen, the show would proceed to have at least 3 different fake outs involving fighters getting wiped out (goku, vegeta, 17). The Grand Priest even thinking some of them were outright gone. If situations like that can happen, it's not like clones would've been impossible. But I guess it's besides the point.
El Hermano, Goten Black, Hit's Clone and The Evil Angels made for great memes
Those were good times lmao
Evil/rogue angels seem like a good premise for a story arc imo
The Evil Angels theory actually felt like it could've been true, with all the smirking and lack of care for their universes being erased.
SkyTech RTS they just don’t GAF though, it’s not evil.
Does anyone know where one can find Joe Capo's old DragonBallX videos? Or even the Oats Saga for that matter?
@@KaiserMattTygore927 well i mean one of them looked sad i cant remember which
I wasn't expecting King Vegeta to have a queen tbh, considering saiyans' opinions of family, I figured she'd probably just be as concubine or something
Indeed, if the Saiyan monarchy is meant to mirror the typical model, that would be a reasonable option.
Concubines are for “fun “ a queen and king is needed to make prince/princess to carry on their reigning bloodline...
Ha! Didn't think you replied to comments.
@@b1akn3ss93 The Ottoman Sultans would disagree...
The REAL question is... Why haven't we seen BROLY'S Mom?
Probaly don't want the answer to that, imagine giving birth to that little monster.
Watch his mom actually be Universe 7's Kale :)
Imagine after banning broly, king vegita is like "Find his mom, i want whatever genes she passed down for my next son" then as he is getting funky in bed, frieza blows up the planet
"Vegeta taking a queen"
King Geets: "My son, the planet or me?"
Everyone: "YES!"
King Geets: "Friggin Smartasses"
well theoretically when he was taking a queen vegeta probably wasnt born yet even if he was the son of a concubine so itd be the planet or me which case it could just be him because a planet cant take a queen (i know it was a joke i just dont care)
Crazy theory:
Although we are led to believe the fusion dance has a set time that becomes small by power out put what if its just by how well adjusted your body is to such techniques so the more you use it the longer it becomes but also be effected by age take gotenks whos fusion seems to last longer now then Z and Gogeta staying fused for a long time in blue and super which may be result of the (possibly more intense) potata that their body's have become adjusted to
Ik its dumb and not very likely but i felt it was worth the thought
I like that
I just think its that Metamoran and Potara fusion arent affected the same way. SSj3 ended Metamoran fusion early because it bleeds ki. God forms dont do this. SSB Vegito was ended early by using too my power, aka output, not drain.
@@saphcal Sounds reasonable to me!
Gogeta probably would have de-fused quickly too if he had used Big Bang Kamehameha. I guess he did use soul punisher though.
0:56 A Dragon Ball fan admitting that they were wrong!? Impossible!! XD But I'm still sticking with the idea Vegeta's mother is named either Vegeta or Tarble. Sticking with the royal family having the same names. So yes,
Random Sayain: My Lord, Vegeta is in danger!
King Vegeta: My planet? My son? My queen? Or me?
Random Sayain: Yes... **Gets blasted**
As soon as I read that I imagined Vegeta in a dress
@@LinkJTO XD
lol, I LOVE that Scar quote! XD
Also, in Xenoverse, Perfect Cell has a special quote for the "Frieza race" CACs in Parallel Quests. "I have all the data I need on the Frost Demons." I doubt the name of Frost Demons is just a fan-made name by that example alone.
Goten black and hit not really being eliminated was one of the most annoying theories ever lol.
They were fun, at least for latin america
Better than one I saw that claimed yamacha was actually gohans father all because gohan as an adult looks more like yamacha than goku.
@@stevenjohnson6962 ADULT GOHAN bruh he can literally go blondey mode
@@themagicalonionfairy7455 yeah then people bullshut that chi chi asked bulma to add sayian dna in the womb lool
I imagine the members of Frieza's race are so few that they really don't have a need a name for it. They'd likely just refer to the individual member they're talking about or call them his family if talking about multiple.
A possible theory for Frieza's species, we know they're mutants, it's possible they're rogue bio-weapons and there is no proper parent species per sey. Cold was designed by some species similar to the tuffles (probably not the tuffles themselves, just similar in society,) went rogue, blew up their planet and did his own thing. Hence their few numbers and insane power (Frieza went from weaker then a super sayian to comparable to Gods in 4 months. FOUR months! Goku's last 5 power-ups took longer.)
I never even thought about how tarble is so young. He literally couldnt be any younger than goku
Which is odd considering Goku was just a newborn when Planet Vegeta was destroyed (not to mention Vegeta himself was pretty young then). Maybe it’s a birth deficiency.
wdym he couldnt be younger than goku goku is like 48
@@themagicalonionfairy7455 Tarble can't be younger because after Goku is born Planet Vegeta is blown up.
@@Vivi_9 that's far from true. Tarble can't be younger, but Goku was in a pod for Saiyan babies way before the planet was blown up.
@@davidlarkin1040 can both of our statements not be considered true?
I remember when people thought gohan would beat jiren with the super saiyan white
Gohan Blanco! Instead it was Goku Blanco ;)
It made at least more sense when they also thought vegeta could be the one to beat him
Another random guy what makes you think his mom is extraordinary? Neither of Goku’s parents were yet look how powerful he is. Prodigies skip generations you know.
Fusion fan theory: Vegito Blue defused for plot just like Buu Saga Vegito and GT SSJ4 Gogeta. What’s the point of going the distance if they weren’t going to end the fight. It’s all down to plot.
Vegeta + Vegeta = Vegeta.
That makes so much sense
I really liked the take about the name of Frieza's Specie/Race, which is as you say defined by the name of their strongest ruler (the highest hierarchical being in their culture
ace).
I even thought about something that might supports this claim.
For example now after the Broly movie we know that the Sayians were ruled for quite some time by King Cold and he was the one being above the Sayians, so it is not far-fetched to assume that he dictated how the Sayians race hierarchy should look like by (consciously or unconsciously) apply his view of the world (which is in this case the race naming criteria), and we can actually see it presented by the way the Sayians were keeping the same name of their race's strongest ruler as a heritage for the next generations of the race (Vegata is applied to be Vegeta the 4th, then we have King Vegeta, and the planet itself is called planet Vegeta).
I hope I was about to deliver my initial thought, whether or not its true or false just thought about mentioning this out.
When Bulla was first born in Super, Vegeta was going to give her a "proper Saiyan name". Something like Shallot. Perhaps it was his intention to name her after his mother, the queen?
I still have a theory as that Freiza and his Race are essentially Xenomorphs from Alien which is why Toriyamas reluctant silence on the issue.
It's all there he doesn't appear to have reproductive organs or a reason to have a form exactly like the Xenomorph. If this was the case Frieza and his Golden form could just be super Sayain just from a hybreed form... I'd like that as a name for their Race actually Hybreeds cause their high bred hybrids.
But their "base form" was the 4th,not the Xenomorph-looking one.
Although, the Cold family _were_ supposed to be heavily mutated.
“But Masako!” Music to my ears! I hope we get more of this classic phrase in the future!
Never forget the El Hermano theory during the last few episodes of Super
And Gohan Blanco and El Grande Padre
2:36 Hanasia is Goku and Raditz's mother in Dragon Ball Multiverse not Vegeta's.
7:32 I called them Frigusians in my Starfinder/Pathfinder homebrew race of them, but I know that's not an official name. It's just better than what we've got.
I always understood it as Zalama was the dragon god that came out of the Super Dragon Balls. you summon him through a ritual of his own making and he rewards you for completing this monumental task of completing this summoning with asking him one single thing, since he can do anything there is no limit to what you can ask, and once done he simply goes back to wherever he resides normally and goes about his business once more.
I want 5o learn about the salada saiyans.
I think we all do!
4:18-4:24 Bulma: that’s where you’re wrong buddy.
One fan theory I always had was that Vegeta and Tarble weren’t King Vegeta’s only children and the way you talk about Saiyan culture seems like something they could do. I doubt they would, but I think it would be a fun way to introduce more about saiyan history and life or maybe even bring back an old ruling family that lost to the original king vegeta in war for planet.
Admittedly I never knew people wanted to know who Vegeta's mom was. The theory that Goku black was Goten is always going to be weird to me 😂
Another good video masako, always enjoy watching your video and others. It usually pulls me back into what scenarios and discuss them. Even at times they don't seem very well received and sometimes makes me hesitant to talk about them. Keep up the good work
Had to recover my sides (and composure) after I saw the "Goten is Goku's reincarnation."
yeah thats funny. how can he be the reincarnation of someone who is still around? xD
@@saphcal Or when his soul was still in heaven.
@@MisterFael yeah thats my point. hes either alive or in heaven, so his soul cant be in goten lol
Then can we call the frieza race the "Ice Race" as a general term given their naming scheme?
I like that
Or Glaciates, or Frigidians or something, since Tori loves his name puns
@@KaiserMattTygore927 i like calling them frosty lizards since they look like lizards and theyre named after coldness and ice puns
@@KaiserMattTygore927 I felt that putting it like that would just make it the same as Arcosians as a name but... looking into it now I dont think theres any part of the Arcosian name that makes an ice pun? I always figured 'Arco' was some weird cold-related word someone pulled from a thesaurus.
@Luis Suazo kinda make it a rule for myself to ignore dubisms
The name "Frieza Race" was simplistic as is and assuming Masako's theory of every emperor naming the race after themselves is true then I could see it working, simple or not.
While the japanese approach makes sense, wouldnt that make it equally as simplistic as "Ice race" to anyone who speaks japanese anyways?
Maybe itd be better to look into the naming schemes of "Saiya-jin" and "Namekian" to get a better idea of what Toriyama would name em though.
Remember the "all Angels are Ultra-Instincting all the time?" theory.
GOD, I love when a fan theory does nothing more than shrink the universe and make it less special to make it more "organized."
8:29 Come on Masako, the Frost "demons" joke was right there. We could have Frieza race in U7, and Frost demons in U6.
I had an old DBZ theory that was CONFIRMED by Super. When Goku was caught off guard, he got hurt by normal weapons. I wondered how, if they can tank enough energy to explode the moon, why can they still be hurt by having rocks smashed into them (Krillin, Majin Veg, Freeza). Confirmed DB characters bodies could be slightly scratched by bullets but training their ki protects them from galaxy level energy.
We need a what-if that is so miniscule it changes the tiniest thing in the story and make it a series
Cell: I’m perfect!
Frieza: I’m about to end a man whole career.
I'm still going to go with Frost Demon for Frieza race because I like that name better than the Frieza race
Don't forget Recoome's race.
@@artemiostriantafyllou7986 there is a saiyan that looks exactly like recoome in the broly movie in terms of facial structure near brolys birth tank thing
I will admit I never heard half of the fan theories listed here like the 6 erased universes and Zalama.
That one was one of mine circa January 2018; still love the concept but I know it's not the truth.
MasakoX Well even though it ain’t true I think with enough tinkering with it, it could make sense.
Remember when goku black was theorised as future evil goten or goten who later turned evil
That was my theory. I assumed that the reason Trunks had different hair color was because he wasn't the same Trunks who traveled back for the Cell stuff, but actually the future version of the canon Trunks. The fact Mai was there seemed to support that idea. So surely Goku Black was a demented Goten.
The question about queen Vegita, it's plenty common for real queens to be ignored in history, they're just a means to create an heir
looks like i booted my computer up at just the right time
Welcome, PlasmaStar!
Just wanna say thanks for keeping school work during quarantine entertaining
Everyday I would end up listening to different what if's ones I remember being; vegito stayed fused, frieza turned good and cell turned good
Does that mean Vegeta's nanny was Nappa?! NANNY NAPPA!
Masako, I'm happy you're covering some fan theories, and I definitely consider you an authority on Dragon Ball Z lore. However, man, please this is an intervention. Goku didn't forget to take the heart medicine. You're a near-perfect knowledge of the lore has only one flaw. Please Masko, hear my plea!
I know it's not really really do with the video, but I figured this was my only chance to let him know.
I actually like the idea of the queen just being a genetic sample or whatever, it's super messed up but, actually deciding that sounds like it could be based on combat prowess to make sure the next line in royalty is as strong as they can be. Makes me imagine Vegeta's mom as some super tough mid class saiyan or something before meeting King Vegeta.
My theory so far is wrong; I thought the newest villain in DBS was going to combine the attacks such as Big Bang Special Beam Cannon, etc. I thought we were going to see the Villian combine attacks and abilities just fusing them together but I was wrong. I hope my theory isn't wrong but so far it is.
But what if we had seen Moro use hax for a more creative, diverse combat than just punches and lasers?
FOOL, YOU FELL FOR IT!
*FINAL SPECIAL BANG WAVE!*
@@artemiostriantafyllou7986 that would be awesome. See morrow use kiaoken times 20 Big Bang attack XD. The Final Flash Hell Zone grenades!
Big Bang spirit bomb!
@@soundrogue4472 he didnt copy gokus abilities and it doesnt look like he can anymore
@@themagicalonionfairy7455 all im saying is the writer missed an easy money making opportunity. That and I wanted my theory to be right.
I remember prior to the Universe 6 tournament arc where some people thought Hit and Frost were related. It was mostly due to not knowing how Hit would be pronounced in localization so it was assumed his name was Heat (which would parallel Frost). I was very much down for it too. Sad it never happened. Also, I get the feeling Zalama might just be introduced in a later arc when the stakes are high enough for Goku and Vegeta to start fighting beings on Zeno's level. Usually a brief mention is just putting a pin in the concept for later.
Maybe Vageta's mother was a disgrace, thus why no one talks about her?
V A G E T A
no, its just because akira is a really bad writer
@@ct183 Not having an irrelevant character discussed does not make someone a bad writer, there's better examples of him being sloppy.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 true
@@ct183 everybody has flaws AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES US HUMANS!! but that doesn't mean akira is a bad writer cause the very topic we(including you) are discussing is because akira wrote it whoever your favorite character in db,dbz,dbs,dbgt is your fav. because akira toriyama created him and this franchise
You showing Tarble in that one fan-theory is making me question if him being in Raging Blast 2 was a sign that he was canon to Dragon Ball in its entirety, along with Cooler...I dunno, should read more into it.
After thinking through some things, I’m updating my hypothetical “What if Vegeta was Female” concept I put into a comment thread a few days ago; feel free to skip this if you are not interested.
Saiyans not being explicitly misogynistic means that a female Vegeta would likely be similar to the male counterpart in the OG universe, Saiyan pride and arrogance and all. Really, the biggest difference from the OG timeline would occur after the Frieza saga finishes. We all know that male Vegeta had the hots for Bulma, so who would female Vegeta get hot and bothered by?
Vegeta would be attracted to someone brash and outspoken. No offense to anyone, but Vegeta would have very slim pickings from among the Z fighters, since they are either mildly terrified of the girl or on the same/higher power level as Vegeta, thus not seeing her as a threat with no reason to bluster. That said, there is a possibility for at least some mild shenanigans:
Yajirobe would have cut her tail off. She would remember this, and might even ask about that warrior dumb enough to cut her tail off. Perhaps after some hijinks, Vegeta would get bored and conclude that he’s just a coward with one blip of bravery. I do think that, instead of getting down with Bulma, a female Vegeta would develop a very strong friendship with the brash young genius, maybe even opening up to her about no males meeting her standards. There could be more hijinks where Bulma tries to set up Vegeta on some blind dates, only for each date to backfire for obvious reasons. Filler is wonderful, isn’t it? ;)
She would likely conclude that she may not be ready to have a kid; even if she had a kid, she wouldn’t settle down to raise the kid for any reason, training and her pride being her primary focus at this time.
So, no one would make babies with Vegeta right after the Frieza saga’s end. But would things stay that way?
This leaves a lot of questions about whom would come back from the future to warn Goku about the heart virus, and give the medication. Personally, I think that it would be future Gohan to come back. Without having to watch over Trunks in the future destroyed by Androids, future Gohan would have been more effective at fighting them, and would be more likely to survive the devastation. Future Gohan would be the one to deliver the heart virus medication to Goku, and he would be a bit more insistent on him taking it. Much like with Trunks, he wouldn’t tell Goku his name, and would be even more vague about his own identity, because his kid self is walking around in front of him.
Vegeta, however, is very impressed by the strong Saiyan warrior from the future... but she doesn’t flirt, because Vegeta doesn’t flirt. She doesn’t get a chance to get to know the mysterious Super Saiyan before he travels back to the future, however. She remembers that hunk for later... hmmm, three years, huh?
With the medication delivered and future Gohan promising to come back in three years’ time to help the Z fighters face the Androids, things would go about the same as they do in the original timeline (without Trunks existing of course) leading up to the Android Saga, with Vegeta coming back as a Super Saiyan finishing off Android 19 with ease; she perhaps showboats a bit more than usual, wanting to impress the time traveller with her strength, and gets annoyed when future Gohan shows up AFTER the destruction of the androids. Then Future Gohan drops the bombshell: these aren’t the androids that destroyed the future....
To be continued....
So will it be Vegetto or Vegetta?
Artemios Triantafyllou I didn’t realize that there was a female variant on Vegeta’s name! Whoops 😂
I still want a Princess of ALL Saiyans Vegeta
After asking to speak with Kid Gohan alone, Gohan-san and Kid Gohan go to the edge of the Lookout. Sitting down, they stare out at the blue expanse before them.
“You know,” Gohan-san starts, “when it comes to fighting, how do you find it?”
Kid Gohan is taken aback by this, and thinks for a minute. “Well,” Kid Gohan begins, “it’s a way to bond with Dad, and it’s how we stop bad guys from hurting others.”
Gohan-san nods, confirming what he suspected. “So, you fight because you have to, because there is always someone who needs to be fought.”
“Well, yeah.”
Gohan-san is quiet for a moment, and leans back a little. “I’ve been the same for a long time,” he continues. “First, Dad dying, then the Androids tearing everything apart, then traveling to the past to save the future; just one necessary fight after another.”
Kid Gohan, curious, listens to his older self.
Gohan-san smiles. “That all changed when I met Vegeta again. I began to love fighting, just as much as she does.”
Gohan, continuing, says “There’s this euphoric rush that comes with fighting a strong and willing opponent, someone skilled and capable, someone that challenges you to your very core. It’s a rush that feels completely different from the usual fights I got caught up in.”
Kid Gohan, surprised, shivers a little and looks away, his face creased with worry.
“How do you handle... it?” Kid Gohan asks. “That... berserk anger and rage.”
Gohan-san nods. There it is, he thinks. “I learned to let it go.”
Kid Gohan turns his head back to look at Gohan-san’s eyes, a skeptical look on his face.
“When fighting the Androids,” Gohan-san continued, “when I was the only real fighter left, the rage was constantly tripping me up.” He shut his eye, reliving the painful memory of losing the other one. “I was desperately trying to just stay calm, to stuff that rage in a place where the sun wouldn’t ever see it again.”
“That doesn’t work,” Kid Gohan said.
Gohan-san nodded, and touched his missing eye. “Yep... it sure doesn’t.”
Kid Gohan realized that this older form of himself has been through just as much, if not more, than he has. He reaches out, and grabs Gohan-san’s other hand. The two of them share a moment of empathy for each other’s pain.
“Finally, I got to the point where I stopped fighting it,” Gohan-san continued. “It was a part of me, and would forever be there, waiting to come out. Eventually, I learned to call on it, first in desperation, then in calculated bursts. I began to explore exactly what that berserker rage was, where it came from. I found that it came from a combination of the two sides of our heritage: Our Saiyan warrior spirit, and our Human sense of justice. The rage would trigger whenever I saw an injustice I couldn’t correct easily, and the rage would come roaring out to smash whatever it was into submission so justice could be served. But by constantly punishing myself for even getting angry, I was turning that rage inward on myself, punishing myself for allowing it to come out. But with every transgression, with every time I saw something I couldn’t fix-“
“The rage would trigger, all the time, and would trigger again whenever the rage got triggered,” Kid Gohan blurted out, a look of understanding coming over his face. “So that’s why you let it go. That destructive cycle couldn’t continue.”
He’s got it, Gohan-san thought. “When I finally let the anger just be itself,” Gohan-san continued, “I immediately turned into a Super Saiyan. My own self-loathing had nearly held me back from the power needed to protect the people I care about and love. Sure, it was a wake-up call when the Androids still kicked my butt despite being Super Saiyan, but that defeat felt different. Every time I fell, I learned something new, tested a new tactic, tried another trick. That detachment from the results has done nothing but serve me well ever since.”
Gohan-san ruffled Kid Gohan’s hair. “You’ll figure it out, I know you will,” he said. “Cell won’t stand a chance.”
Both of them smile a knowing, confident smile, as the week of training was about to begin...
To be continued....
@@boomkruncher325zzshred5 Oh no, I was referring to Vegito.
I always thought nappa was vegetas nanny more or less when he was younger
That Zalama theory not being true was kind of a shame. Maybe not in such a grandiose way, but it would have been nice to have something other than 'just another power up.' In addition, explaining why Goku had that monstrous 'secondary voice' accompanying his voice, when ever he talked, or grunted, would have been nice. But, As Masako pointed out, Dragon Ball is a very simple show, sometimes to its benefit, but at times its to its detriment as well.
I agree about the extra 6 universes. There is no indication they ever existed, plus it breaks the whole "twin universe" thing that 1-12 have. Even Whis doesn't seem to know if the tale is true or not, and it seems to be more of an urban legend in-universe.
It might just be in the dub but Vegita says at one point “I’m not even sure if I have a grandma” if this was in the original it means that Saiyans probably cloned.
My favorite fan theory is that Trunk's burning attack is just a variation of a masenko that future gohan taught him
Vegeta and Tarble's mother(s) being a genetic donor and not a queen or caretaker makes sense.
Tarble is more powerful than he gets credit for, though; they react to his approaching power at his introduction and had been fighting and fleeing from two warriors said to be as strong as Frieza. He doesn't have the warrior's spirit but he's no slouch
9:25 Uh, Masako, Did you forget that Frost was deleted from exsitance by Zeno?
He got returned with the SDB wish didn't he?
He was revived with everyone else.
I always held onto the theory that God-form dont make you all that more powerful, but gives you the ability to fight deities
Like a side-grade or something? That's not a bad idea.
Debunking the debunk of Friezas race a little bit here. In the Xenoverse games if you pit Perfect Cell against a Frieza race CaC he does acknowledge them as "Frost Demons"
It's sort of like a placeholder. Also in that case, if that is their true identifier, why not call it that in CaC select screen?
@@MasakoX That is a great question, hopefully we either get some depth in either a future CaC centric game or from the writers/Toriyama themselves. But what is also quite strange is that, once again in Xenoverse- Frieza refers to the CaC as a "traitor" and implies he kills traitors of his race on the spot.
Could it be that the reason we only see Cold, Frieza, and Cooler- with rarely much mention of the race or homeworld could be that the Cold family simply took out the entirety of their own race for one reason or the other? Pretty farfetched bur food for though.
@@monsunoguy19 Why wouldn't they? They're megalomaniacs thought to be freaks of nature of their own kind. They could see others that rebelled and inferior to them as an embarrassment to their extra-ordinary power.
@@Naruku2121 I'd think so too, but that would be a biiiit jarring if they suddenly came out with that element of story for Frieza's origin. Maaaaaybe its a matter of galactic jurisdiction? Like a small number of Frieza race embark on their business ventures per galaxy since there littlerally isn't enough room for a planet of super powerful space pirates. Universal war could break out over territorial disputes. Maybe
Still love the theory that black was Goten from a different timeline.
Even though its 100% debunked, I still love the thought
in my mind I think Tarbles mother was a Truffle and the marriage to Queen Anana was a way to stop the conflict between the two races.
I just want to point out that Frieza's race is canonically called the Frost Demons. Cell even refers to them in Xenoverse when you fight against him playing as a "Frieza race" CaC.
I really wish dragonball would explore its own lore more.
Now that we know Namekians aren't even from Universe 7, and there are lots of sets of Dragon Balls out there, Zamala might be a thing again.
Honestly one of my personal fan theories is that Zeno just puts on an act. He is smarter than he lets on, and he may have erased countless universes and then had new ones created, in a sort of cycle till finally there were mortals who were selfless like 17 was
I still like Ice-jin as the name for Freeza's race, even though in English it would have to be Icean or something a little clumsier.
Also, the Vegeta theory seems pretty accurate. King Vegeta would totally choose a mate based on good genes.
Goten’s girl friend from GT is android 17’s daughter.
And the kid who was with Pan in episode 1 of GT is Android 17’s son.
That’s my fan theory
Valice is definitely not Maron you see her in the super 17 saga. The Pan one is possible
My theory is that Zalama is Zen-Oh. Zalama is his true name and Zen-Oh is just his title. It would explain why the Super Shenron can grant any wish including undoing erasures that Zen-Oh did.
I personally think that the missing universes will contain the next major villain, and when 17 brought all the universes back, he brought the 6 extra back too. I would like to see someone like Janbemba or Bojack who took control of the universes, so Zeno destroyed them
Do forget Power levels are Bull$#*t is myth because toriyama tossed them away because he felt power levels would spoil the outcome of a fight for fans.
Regarding number 3, Dragon Ball Legends actually does show the 6 universes existing. It's even the motivation for the main villain.
Sure, non-canon game, but considering a game is showing it, it means it did happen.
Your Zalaman theory is more complex than anything in DB, very nice though.
On Vegeta not having a mother: Wasn't Nappa kinda implied to be Vegeta's 'nanny' or carer? I kinda get that feeling.
He seemed to have been placed in a position of responsibility for young Vegeta and young Raditz in that scene in the recent Broly movie.
I might be reading too much into it.
You sure debunkled those theories this time!
I really want to see an arc all about universe 6 saiyans
Plot twist Gine was the one who gave the sample to King Vegeta making Goku and Vegeta half brothers XD
Frieza, king cold and cooler would be their races version of krillin and tien in the human race.
Your the only dragon ball content creator to have a passable voice 👏🏻👍🏻
Shows alot of info I like this
Here's one: If both Universe 6 and 7 were erased in the Tournament of Power, would the Super Dragon Balls be erased as well, since they are connected to both of their universes?
I don't believe so. Just because the Super Dragon Balls are shown to be in both of those universes doesn't mean they're exclusive to them. They probably roam around each of the 12 universes, like how the Earth Dragon Balls are scattered around Earth and likewise for the Namekian Dragon Balls. The range they can scatter could be or is multiversal.
@@glacierwolf2155 I'm pretty sure that they are only scattered across universes 6 and 7, making them exclusive to those two universes. They mentioned it in Universe 6 Tournament arc, by that Zuno guy who supposedly knows everything.
They were _in_ U6 & U7, but they were probably created outside of them.
Also, we don't know how matter is "bound" to a Universe. eg we don't know what would happen if Frieza joined U9 and then U7 lost. Also, when F Zeno erased the F Timeline, Trunks and Mai were fine.
Besides, Zeno could just erase the universe but not the dragonballs.
@@artemiostriantafyllou7986 well dragon balls only exist in u6 and u7 also champa and beerus are brothers and were born in the same universe more than likely and the way the super dragonballs work is 3 in u6 3 in u7 1 in the space between them
That’s the great thing about theory’s, there not meant to be right or wrong. They are there too make everyone think and come up with there own theories or similar theories.
Hence why I like making discussion videos. They are out there for people to muse over. These theories are interesting and I appreciate the ingenious ideas behind them...it's just a shame that the most obvious answer is most likely the most 'accurate'. Nevertheless, good on the fandom for being creative.
And that video doesn't mean that we won't be doing any more wacky theories ourselves... in fact we have one incoming quite soon. It's just a little reminder to treat those things with a grain of salt, as in modern day we often tend to treat theories as facts and get disappointed afterwards. :)
I just realized something. If Vegeta was born at the same time as Goku, how did tarble survive the destruction of planet Vegeta? He was VERY young too.
Vegeta is older than Goku by a few years
I have a theory , what happens if you are in the in the process of being pulled together by the the potara earings, you are somehow for some apparent reason are able to resist it and then do the fusion dance. What would that be called. I know that it is impossible to resist bieng pulled together by the potara but what happens if someonme is able ti do it?
#001 A theory I've had for a while as I read up on Vegeta's training during the the Moro arc was that the Namekians and the Yardrats were related species based off of their techniques.
Healing = Dende and even Kami can do this
Size Growth = Piccolo displaying this in Dragonball. This could factor in the stretchy arms he can do
Cloning = Multi-form technique. This may be a strecth Albeit Krillin and Tien are shown to do this too. Not to mention Cell "Perfected" it.
Instant Transmission = This one's a weird one, since there have been numerous iterations of teleportation. (Kami for example "teleporting" back and forth to King Yemma and Earth. And the fact only the Supreme Kais of any universe can "teleport" to Zeno). So this one is a bit up in the air.
Anybody remember the fan theory that Sayain kids get power boosts more easily when they are more powerful? Like Goten and Trunks became super sayains very young?
If that was true then Bulla daughter of Super Sayain blue and Pan daughter of Mystic Gohan should be powerful lol
To be fair, they're still babies. They might become very powerful in the future for a few episodes or even a Saga - but of course, after that it will be _Goku Time_ again!
pan flew in space and shes a quarter saiyan unlike goten trunks and bra
Vegeta's Mother is Gine's sister.
Just to eff with the prince. Can you imagine the absolute fit of rage that would incur?
I love your what if videos ❤️
Masako I kept saying this what if what about what if goku somehow got bardocks foresight and learnt to control it like timeskip
Yeeeeeeah, Masako just recognized Dragon Ball Multiverse!!!
"I believe only one race, the Lyndon B. Johnson race" - Rosa Parks
I could have swore that cell calls the freiza race in xenoverse as frost demons when you battle him
Hmm Freiza race = Flidgelatians (taking from refrigerator) hilarious
Zeno’s appears wait don’t touch that - pans to his dark cold souless beady eyes “too late”
Bulla is the strongest character in the entire series. She’s also the cutest and cuddliest and I love her.
The entire series takes place in a dream. When goku hit his head he went into a coma, and his mind concocted an elaborate world for him to protect, so that he wouldn’t be overcome with his s cells and become a golden ozaru hell bent in destroying the planet. Piccolo represents his hatred for pickles. Vegeta represents his hatred for vegetables even though he knows they are good for him. And bulma and her entire family being named after underwear represents both his fascination with private parts and hatred for wearing underwear.
I’m going to write a fanfic on the premise that Goten has one quality that his brother lacks: wild creativity. I’ve come up with a way to bring that to the fore and use him for something that nobody else can do. Goku has had some creative moments, like in the 21st tournament where he helicopters himself back into the ring. Let’s give Goten something that can allow him to use those special reasoning skills....
Anyway, I love the idea of a creator god, a Grand Priest who serves as a “stasis” God, and Zen-oh as some mindless eraser. One day, the power of those other two may finally be enough to stop Zen-oh. I’ve been hoping that one of your future Trunks stories ends with Trunks bringing back everything Zen-oh ever has erased, and ever will erased, across all timelines, minus ZamaSilentU. Then when everything that annoys Zen-oh runs amok and he can’t erase any of it anymore, they instead need the power of a creator to solve their problems.
great video!
Wait if Frieza actually got his name from his race’s name? That would be a plot twist
The title say "Theories DEBUNKED," yet the video just listed some unanswered questions, and that was it.
You would think it would have used the questions to set up the theories, like the one about Vegeta's mother to debunk something like "is Nion Vegeta's mother" or something, but no.
p.s.
"Mother Nion" was an example of something to be debunked.