I quit architecture a few years back... I still have friends who try to coax me back into it and sometimes i consider going back because i dont wanna “waste” the years of architecture school but this video really just sums it up. Some people find home in architecture some just.. dont. Thank you for sharing!!! This was really comforting.
I've been studying for 6 years of architecture studies and well gotten some work experience but I feel my hobby of drawing is much stress free than working. What do you advise on this?
I quit architecture for art/animation. One of the Best decisions I’ve ever made. I also find that most of the skills I learnt in architecture propelled my career/growth in the art industry
i'm not yet in that stage where you pick courses or whatever, i wanna be a flight attendant when i grow up but i want to be an artist too, and of course you definitely cannot balance those two. Sometimes i wonder if i walk my path to the flight attendant one, of course it would be a dream come true.. but i feel like theres a missing part. Then if I walk to the path of being an artist, again, there would be something missing and I don't know if I would be able to provide my needs and if i would be able to earn enough and stuff.. lol idkk
I always wanted to follow in my older brother's footsteps, he is a very talented programmer. It took me a decade of crawling through jobs in the hi tech industry to understand this is not for me. Long story short, I took a 2 year animation class and I am now working for the last 18 months in the biggest local animation studio. I can totally relate to your story, even though it took me way longer to understand who I am, and to believe that I can do artistic things even without starting it out as a kid. For those who think it's too late for them, I started learning animation when I was 27, with a 1 yo baby, so, it's probably possible for you too.
I'm 28 but started at 27. Something about that time just really pushes you to try something new. Wishing us both luck and progress in our art journey 😊
Wow, I am so curious about your story. I'm currently doing my master's in Translation studies. Ever since I was a kid I wanted to be an animator and go to art school, but you know how that usually goes-some dare to do it, others don't. Anyways, I was curious if u took a college course or an course? Thanks for sharing your story too~ it really gives me hope (I'm around that age as well and think I can't focus on two things or it's too late).
@@bananahalib I enrolled in Israel top animation college called IAC (Israeli Animation College) in their flagship 3D animation program, we learned mostly the modelling/sculpting/shading/rendering, but there was a lot of animation studies too, I chose to do my final work in animation. I think it's important to do a class where you can meet others, if your online oppurtunities offer that, i would say that's good. an important part of getting work in this industry is knowing the right people, and going to a place to study is a sure way to find students like you, and even better, teachers that are in key positions in your local industry who can see your hard work and dedication and award it with a nice recommendation. that's what happened in my case :) good luck! it's never too late. DREAMS COME TRUE! just work super hard at it and it will happen.
The old architect u talked about having his own glass office ^^ there isn't much room in the peek of the pyramid, and its the same in every creative industry, its very subjective and very competitive. And thats the best advice you can give to a young kid going into art life.
"You are in complete control of your life and what you can make out of your life and your experiences" Thank you Josh, I really needed to remember this during this times.
With respect to Josh, I strongly disagree with his statement. If Covid has taught us anything, it's that we are NOT in complete control of our lives. We like to think we're in control, but that illusion disappears the moment your doctor says that your painful lump is malignant. Or when your wife says you will soon be a father. Or when you lose your job and the mortgage is due. Or when you miss the bus, but meet a beautiful soul. We don't navigate a straight course across turbulent seas. The best we do is try to surf the waves.
I never clicked on a video so fast!! I just graduated with my masters in architecture and now I’m working in the profession and and I’m so miserable. But now I’m propelling my art endeavors forward in full force. The Architecture profession is draining! And art is empowering.
Josh, I can't tell you how much I needed to hear this I wasted 8 years of my life in Architecture and I can assure that Josh did an amazing job explaining how it's like to actually work in the industry. as he mentioned we need to become a jack of all trades but the process is so hard and slow that it can feel like you are learning everything and nothing at the same time. I've spent my 8th year (2019) learning how to work with multiple programs for drawings, 3D modeling and rendering, I took courses after courses with the best tutors I could find and then, 2020 happened! I never had any free time to reflect on my thoughts and the choices I made and the choices I was about to make the moment I realized I didn't have the slightest amount of passion left in me, hit me so hard that I could feel all the tiredness from those all-nighters I pulled crawling back to me. I felt empty, I felt unmotivated to the point of questioning the source of my motivation in the first place. it took me too long to acknowledge that the only thing that kept me going was the "hustle", it might sound stupid but after talking to some of my college friends they agreed that the hustle was the result of constant competition in the education system. I don't know how it works in other countries but in my case at the end of every semester our scores were finalized only after the judges checked all the projects from all the classes and students at the same time, even with the ones with different professors. so it means everyone would constantly drop scores if someone came up with a better design or better ideas or better skills in executing the idea. I remember feeling so lonely during my time at the college cause most of the people in my class hated me for putting way too much effort into my projects (which was out of passion not competition) but I believe the environment did effect me in one way or the other... so I kept going without realizing I'm losing my physical health and finally my mental health after acknowledging I lost 8 years of my life just to be unemployed due to the recent horrible condition of economy in my country. I'm sorry if my comment is grammatically incorrect, I tried my best :)
@@justwannahavefun2662 A part of this decision is on you and how passionate you are and if you are willing to dedicate multiple years of your life to achieve it, and the other part totally depends on your location and how successful the industry is in general, in my case the industry went down the hill after I finished art school and I should've stopped but I didn't. (which I deeply regret) TL;DR: If the industry is doing well and successful young architectures exist in your country and you are passionate enough to dedicate your life to this, go for it! Hope this helped.😊
Agreed. I’m currently in community college majored in architecture for 4 years ( most of the years were general Ed classes which is why I’m still College) and after covid happened in the last two years I never felt so happy, but I still believed I wanted to do architecture thinking it was the only option. It wasn’t until this month we’re I realized I wasn’t as passionate as I thought I was in architecture. So now I’m having a bit of stress and anxiety over myself for wasting so much time.
Is it possible to move to another country and get a good job in architecture after finishing studies or am i bound to the country that I will be studying in? Please let me know if u can
I quit collegue architecture after 5 years studing (in south america, collegue is 5 and a half years+ if u are fast) i just couldnt do it anymore, i was so depressed! It was the Best decision i did in My life
You know I’m scared of making the wrong decision, but I’m even more scared of not ever making the decision What you did takes guts, blatant guts and passion. Thanks sensei
What an inspiring video - in all sorts of ways! My journey was very similar, except I've never done architecture, it was just something else. I'm happy for you to have come down this path, Josh! And we're a lot of people here who are ready and happy to support you ♥ Best of luck!
This hit hard! 3 years in architecture school and 4 years in interior design school. After working in the industry for almost 3 years everything you said I can relate. All of the high and low during design school was not there. I was not designing and just another part of the production machine... Love this video and the people comments below, seeing that so many people having the same issues really empowering me to let all go and move on to something I have always wanted to do for a living which is drawing! If you are reading this, GOOD LUCK! We only have one life!
I currently work in architecture and on the side, I draw to exert my creative side. 90% of what josh said about architecture school and the realities of working in a corporate firm is quite accurate. Design is only 10-20% of the job. The other 80-90% is making the building work, ensuring it complies, collaboration with other specialists in the industry managing the cost and a lot of documentation. For me I like it because I am a very technical person. Learning details such as doors, windows and structural elements is very interesting to me. I actually enjoy documentation a lot and to receive concepts from a designer and working on it to bring it to life. When josh expresses his lack on independence on a job, still requiring instructions from his leaders even 2 years in. That is normal. Architecture embodies a lot of knowledge and we become the jack of all trades. It's impossible for us to complete tasks without collaboration and mentoring especially very earlier in our careers. As long as you enjoy the job, just keep pushing through. All Knowledge and experiences takes time and the bond you create with you team and project leader can be very rewarding. I'm glad josh found his calling. It's never too late to pursue something else.
I'm listening to your story and I almost screamed in relief!!! Someone understands!!! I am currently working in a mid size architecture firm as well and your reviews is literally so similar to what I'm experiencing. I'm 6 yrs in right now and what I like the most about architecture is the people. I don't really care too much about working in Revit all the time or AutoCad. Right now we are all working in Revit 2018-2020 on BIM 360 cloud and having to collaborate with the engineers has been more effective. But like you said, you don't get the luxury to design. You just have to work on a lot of details and all that boring stuff. And having that imposter syndrome is so real. Honestly, I feel like I don't necessarily belong like you said because I am more artsy than I am technical. I can go on and on but to validate what you are saying, but I just want to say thank you for sharing your story. I am on a venture to becoming a full-time artist as well. I thought I was in a unique position until I saw your youtube page and now your story. Thank you for your story. You just gave me a Realistic view of hope that I can do this. Stay Blessed!
I also graduated with a BS in architecture and worked at a corporate firm for almost 2 years before deciding to pivot to art (animation)... needless to say this video came at the right time! I reiterate all your sentiments about architecture school vs. the work force (and Revit LOL). I had no idea you came from an architecture background! Also, hearing someone say “pin up” for the first time in a few years sent a SHIVER down my spine 😭
Why is this fitting SO hard to my current life situation... D: I study Landscape Architecture because i'm afraid to start my art career... although i know that making art is what my soul and heart desires.
The very confused and uncertain about the future architecture student that I am was waiting for this video I know it's not gonna be a definitive solution/answer to my uncertainties but I feel like someone's experience would be good to here. thanks Josh !
yo! this is what ive been talking bout, pursuing architecture has so many rooms for uncertainaties, unlike art,you will use and do what u have learned in the school,meanwhile architecture only use 10% of what you have learned into practicality. leaving another 90% of uncertainities, this huge lump of dark unknown road is scary as Fck.I leaves you wondering for what can you do with what you have,unlike art you may have alrdy the clue in which profession you are good and like at,and may strive on it. but archi have very huge uncertainaties,and im not an immortal to spend half of my life just figuring out at which things i could be good and pros on it. no way!!!
This really hit home for me, Josh. I'm in a similar situation of just graduating from Architecture school with a Master's. I felt like taking it a step above Bachelor's would put me in a better position to get hired out from graduation. I'm currently working in a small firm and also struggling with the disconnect from school to real-world and learning Revit! It is fun, but likewise, I am more interested in the artistic and design aspect of architecture, and that passion has led me to make an art and animation channel that I am slowly working on currently (this channel profile, in particular!) I dunno where life will take me, but currently dealing with mixed emotions of struggling in the workplace whilst looking inward to decide if architecture is something I want to keep pursuing, or if it's something else. Love the people I have worked with through my past internships and my current job tho! The people do make the environment great! I love hearing about your journey and experience with transitioning from architecture to art, and the veeeeeery similar struggles of school vs. real-world in the architecture realm!
I spent 6 years to get my masters. By my third year I knew Architecture wasn’t for me. My first year after getting my masters I became a tattoo artist and haven’t looked back❤️
Natedawg yo that’s awesome dude congrats! Being a tattoo artist would definitely be a great career! Wish you the best of luck and I’m glad you haven’t looked back!
I feel your pain. I studied 5 years total to get my B. and masters degree in architecture. I spent the first 2 years working (post uni) resenting architecture school for not teaching industry related units and skills. Revit was so discouraged and was not embraced by uni until I already completed my bachelors. By that I mean, they didn't start teaching revit within the course. Only taught 1st and 2nd years.. I pushed myself to learn rhino and revit on my own it was the only way to know those skills. In my final year of masters, despite teacher's not wanting me to use revit. I did it anyways. I prefered to be job ready than to receive top marks and thank God I did. With those skills I prioritised, it landed me a great job at a large firm where they value mentorship and work place culture. I enjoy the projects I do. Because I am more technical than design savvy, work place is a lot better for me than uni. I eventually came to realise that university teaches you how to learn. Your Learning begins after uni.
Jo.pang50 couldn’t have said it better myself! I also didn’t get Revit classes (one class) until I was in my Masters program. And eyyyy shout out to Rhino! I learned that and Sketchup before really learning Revit, but I’m glad I learned it when I did cause it gave me a great head-start when jobs were almost exclusively asking for Revit experience!
@@timallenanimates5720 overall I picked up a lot of programs, both useful and useless. Uni had the audacity to teach microstation because the unit chair or tutor refused to upskill and use revit. I understand the stand point of revit is a bit restrictive to play with form and conceptual ideas but nevertheless, If you have time to learn crappy microstation, you have time to learn sketch up and rhino. University at least where I am from has unfortunately prioritised business over education. They rake in money from international students, overload the classes and struggle to provide valuable content
I completely agree with your video. I currently practicing architecture at a general contracting firm, and I definitely feel the imposter syndrome. I’m now the only designer and basically just started the working so it feels really jarring to just be thrown out into the field not really knowing anything. I’m picking up art now to keep the creative juices flowing but working in the field made me realize I love architecture, but I hate the profession. Great video! Keep it up and congrats on finding your new path :)
It's been ten years since i study architecture and working in it. Many things happen this year that make me remembering my old memory, every little drawing that i always make in hidden cause everybody telling me i can't make a living from art. I think i can doing little art here and there if i working in architecture, because architecture is the closest thing i can get to art school with my parent permission. Just like you Josh, i feel happy when i in university, i really think i found my way. But when i starting working, yeah, exactly like what you describe. Today, after years of ignore my inner self that keep shouting i should pursue art, i can't hold it anymore. Without some solid plan, i give my 30 day notice letter to my bos. I will restarting my journey into the art again, and this video pop on my recommendation 😂, i guess the universe trying to tell me something... Thank you, this video make me doesn't feel alone anymore 👍
Thank you so much for sharing your story and your experiences in architecture! I was surprised to see so many people in the comments also have similar experiences and while I'm relieved that I'm not the only one or some anomaly it is rather heartbreaking because these experiences are quite painful. The disconnect between architecture school and working in the field is huge. My uni actually taught us the programs such as Revit and ArchiCad so I didn't struggle with them. I didn't have a dream of becoming an architect but I was encouraged to go for it because everyone thought I had the aptitude. In school I really liked the creative problem solving aspect and the community we had. I was good at it. I thought it was for me. After 6 years of school and 4 years of working in the field I can say for sure that it isn't. The actual job is so far from what we were taught in school and I don't find all the nitty-gritty details, code, structure etc. interesting or fun at all. You learn a lot on the job. You have to if you want to do your work well and pull your weight. What I learned is that if you actually want to be able to design something one day you either have to sacrifice a lot of your life to the field, to the company, take on a huge load of responsibility and pull 10-hours work days minimum. Or put up your own company, which is extremely difficult as you explained so well. I feel like I have no freedom in this job. I am just a resource, a cog in a machine that just needs to find its place. I have found that it is very easy to get stuck doing the same thing for a long, long time. If you work on, let's say doors, in a project you are likely to be profiled as the door expert within the company and all you do is work on doors regardless of the project you are in. Some companies will actually talk with the employees about their job descriptions but I know many don't. It's a waste of resources to rotate the employees much. If person X has all the knowledge and experience about doors it is a waste of resources to put person Y with less experience on the job. Working with consultants, construction companies etc. also feels tough and oftentimes results in pointing fingers at other parties when deadlines aren't met or something isn't handled properly. When I talk to people about my dream of doing art full time as a concept artist/freelancer the first thing people bring up is the income. Architects make a very middle-range wage but it seems that laymen have a very glorified image of architecture. It feels like all this talk about income has made me too scared of how I will make my living if I quit in this field. Despite my fears I have taken the first step out and put up my own business. I am currently doing creature designs on the side and I hope I will be able to decrease my hours at the company I work at to be able to put more time into my business and eventually let go of architecture. It is going to take some time but if I survived the grind in architecture school and the daily grind at my job I can do it. I'm very glad for you and others who have found their passions and made the leap. Being able to do something fulfilling with your time so much more valuable than just churning for the paycheck. It is important to be able to make a living but if you have to balance income with passion it gets exhausting. I hope everyone will find a place in their life they feel good in! Leaving behind something that makes you miserable is not weakness, it's strength.
Gosh that made me cry... I'm kinda undecided... I'm still studying and in a few years I'll have to choose whether I want to be a architect or animator. I'm passionate with both and it's been bothering me. I don't really know what I should do...
If in doubt, never pick architecture. As mentioned in the video the school never prepares you for the real world, I have been in the industry for over 8 years, to this day I wished I had picked something else that’s a bit more fulfilling. Right now it’s just like going through the motions everyday, the initial passion that I had for architecture is all but drained especially in a corporate setting, there’s no running away from because that’s where the money is.
As an Architecture student who excelled in the Visual Arts department over any other subjects, it took a long while for me to admit where I needed to be in order to support myself. I live with a family and society that really values high education and big titles. Because of this, I was pressured to finish Architecture as the course I took to the detrement of my emotional and mental well-being. Eventually, I used my time in Architecture school as an irregular student to have a healthier time for myself, while slowly buildung up my artistic career and become a freelancer online with the initial intention to support my course until I graduate. However, the closer I was to graduating, the more I was able to fully discern the actual responsibilities of being an Architect and the kind of lifestyle it will bring, and I realized in my experience it was too colossal than I could personally bear. While I really enjoyed my time in Architecture and learned so much! I had to modestly admit my limitations as an individual and reconsidered my plans for the kind of job I could realistically manage for myself. So I quit Architecture, while many pitied me for leaving being that close. Many students in my batch (and the batches I hanged with as an irregular student) has the capacity to handle its pressures and responsibilities. That's good for them. As for me, I find myself happier and healthier, mind and body, since I've crafted out a lot of opportunities by focusing as a freelancer artist with a more manageable lifestyle it allows me to live with. I've supported myself and my family, whilst abling to expand my work opportunities to who knows how many more might come, and my simple desire to use my talent to continue creating.
I'm in design school and at a point where I'm realizing the same things but have spent so many years in school for this that this seems like a scary transition since I have no art school experience
I just finished interior design school. I started to get into art in just two years. I quickly developed my skills probably due to my experience with design school. If you really want to do art do it! It is very rewarding and you can start earning from it soon enough. You can perfect your skills when you're doing something else so you can easily transition
@@eunicifyart Thank you so much for telling me about your experience. I'm well over 25 so I worry about doing this so late but my university is known for its art programs so I'm thinking after I graduate I might do an illustration postgraduate certificate to help me get started. I hope things work out for you, it's a tough decision that takes guts to do!
I am currently in the first year of Architecture, similar to you, all I want to do is become a great artist for myself. Like you said it sounds selfish, but I also know that if I don't do what I want to do then I am being pressured into doing it. Ultimately hurting myself in the end. I literally invested so much time and money into learning traditional and digital art, and yet I chose to start in the College of Architecture. So, I am deciding what I want to do with my life right now. I am taking some advice from Pewdiepie and Mr. Beast. If I can accomplish my goals I have self for myself within a year then I won't need to worry about the future as much. As long as the goals are accomplishable then they should be a good stepping stone for whatever else I plan to accomplish. I am saving this so I don't forget. Thanks for the video Ergojosh, I am going to step u now Rose
I quit my high paying job in management for art and I'm not even confident enough to share my work yet lmao. Risky much, but I saved a lot of money and haven't felt any regret for one day and I'm glad you feel the same! But oh boy, the day I told my boss I'd quit, I almost shit my pants pff
Can't tell you how i cherish this video! you hit every point so deeply into my thoughts, still haven't graduated from architecture but also trying to be an artist and i just want to thank you for giving voice to some of my thoughts! this is so beautiful!! you GO GO GO, keep being so amazing!
Scary how close this relates to me. Just graduated last year with a master's in architecture, and I've been thinking a lot about environmental design and concept art.. But the skills I've learned in school definitely helped a lot especially in concept and design philosophy. I still think I could implement that in architecture but thinking of all the time put in real world scenarios, working for a firm that does banks and garages... It can kill motivation and wow so many architecture student comments
For the community aspect you could rent a shared studio together with other artists, maybe? I am studying illustration and I plan to do this later on / once I have a bit more money.
back in the day, I was pretty lucky, had the random spur of the moment to apply for a film vfx/animation art course because in the back of mind, I enjoyed making art even though I had my set plan to do further study in architecture at university. bashed in a portfolio, got into the course and now years later, I've been in the film vfx industry for 3+ years contributing to many film and tv shows. I haven't regretted it since...just got to go with your gut. But, now I'm slowly trying to transition to illustration art.
Great video. I love your story and the narration. Also, saw the thumbnail with the reference picture and thought, "Hey, That's Rachel!" Thanks for linking to her reference pack. 😀
Josh, thank you SO much for this video. Your words were exactly what I needed to hear. I am currently in my third year of architecture school and while I love my design studios, I know it is not where I truly want to end up as a career. School is amazing but I know it is not representative of what the career actually is like. As I find myself looking at pursing either a job or grad school right after my undergrad I feel really conflicted on what I want to do with my life. I am terrified/feel guilt over telling others I do not want to be an architect. This video made me feel not so alone anymore with my internal struggle (both from your story and other stories in the comments). I really hope to pursue my dream to be an artist like you someday!
It's scary how I'm actually on the brink of bashing my head on the wall because of struggling in a course that I'm not happy and passionate with, I've been wanting to leave but is uncertain because of my future. There had been numerous signs for me, and now I'm so thankful watching and knowing this, I'm taking this as my major sign to choose and chase what I truly want.
It's getting hard to enjoy Architecture when were learning online because of Covid-19. No hang-outs or staying late at night with your mates doing design projects. It's painful doing it by yourself, then being pressured. I'll also take in mind this video and considering the signs in the future.
Glad to see you crawled out from under the corporate beast that is often Architecture! I love using Revit and computational design, but your summary of its constraints was 100% on the money. Good stuff for taking your creativity sideways and finding your calling. Just finished the video and you nailed the challenges people face in architecture - getting stuck as a cog in the machine was very relatable (I became a consultant in BIM eventually with my own business to escape this tendency).
you and your art has really inspired me, I honestly dont know what else to say its hard to describe how much the small amout of videos ive seen has helped in not even a day.
You really hit home with everything you’ve said. I didn’t even start working (luckily), I had only graduated from 3 years of Bachelor’s in Architecture, and unlike you I’ve found the whole experience as painful as you found your work. I didn’t see perspective, I did’t see where it could all lead to, I knew that becoming a designer of an Architecture firm was almost an impossible task and I knew I didn’t have the motivation to pursue that and I quit. Luckily I had people already working sharing their experiences and I never ever looked back. I always state with confidence how Architecture just wasn’t for me, but it says nothing about Architecture, and it’s still an amazing discipline for someone else. After architecture I started physics from 0. I’m finishing my Master’s this year and I’m starting a career in Data Science and I also do art as a hobby, couldn’t be happier :)
Ohhhh yay! Second comment :) I love your work so much - I think you should have a career path that makes you happy and relaxed. All the best ErgoJosh x
I don’t really know what I want from the future but in my fam it was pretty important to go to collage for a more “respectable” course and I didn’t get my course so I worked really hard to work around that and now next year I hopefully have a spot in the course. And i feel like I’d like architecture but in terms of career it’s good to see people’s experience to know theirs more than 1 life path
I feel your pain. I studied 5 years total to get my B. and masters degree in architecture. I spent the first 2 years working (post uni) resenting architecture school for not teaching industry related units and skills. Revit was so discouraged and was not embraced by uni until I already completed my bachelors. By that I mean, they didn't start teaching revit within the course. Only taught 1st and 2nd years.. I pushed myself to learn rhino and revit on my own it was the only way to know those skills. In my final year of masters, despite teacher's not wanting me to use revit. I did it anyways. I prefered to be job ready than to receive top marks and thank God I did. With those skills I prioritised, it landed me a great job at a large firm where they value mentorship and work place culture. I enjoy the projects I do. Because I am more technical than design savvy, work place is a lot better for me than uni. Sometimes you just need to push through the crap to reach the gold at the end. I eventually came to realise that university teaches you how to learn. Your Learning begins after uni.
This is so inspiring! And in so many ways your story resonates with mine. I studied architecture, did my Masters and started working for a major corporate company for 5 years and I could feel my passion for architectural design gradually decline, mostly because of toxic work environments, internal politics, lack of ACTUAL design work that we were vigorously taught in architecture school. I've moved to another country and I'm struggling so hard to find work in architecture here because a lot of what they're expecting in me as a potential employee is not what I built up over the years. I feel like I wasted all those 5 years. I'm currently still unemployed and I'm extremely passionate about my art and I'm thinking of moving forward with it as a business and trying to figure out how to go about starting it. Coming across your channel and your story was just the push I needed to get moving. At the moment I'm still sending out applications for architecture jobs (although I feel like I've pretty much hit a wall), while trying to push my business idea forward. Let's see where this goes....maybe 5 years from now I'll come back to this video, look at this comment and smile at my humble beginnings or smirk at my naivety (depending on which way life goes). Nonetheless, thank you for your story, mate! Also, sorry for this long rant. It's just that your story hits too close to home.....
I saw this video pop up on my newsfeed yesterday and was afraid to click, but now I am glad I did. Like many other people commenting I studied architecture and worked in the field for a bit. Life has taken me in a very weird journey and I am currently finishing a doctorate in folklore with a focus on vernacular architecture... doing art on the side, feeling both fulfilled and unfulfilled. Transitioning to the academic world of research and writing has been rewarding but tough, it has made me appreciate and value how time would fly when I am painting or drawing, whether painting a watercolor or drawing a floor plan. Josh, I adore that you have made a career out of drawing (it also explains your beautiful minimalist aesthetic in both your drawings and workspace). Many of my friends from architecture are some of the best artists I know or continue to do creative things on the side. Anyways, keep inspiring people! For those who might feel insecure about studying architecture here are my recommendations: Architecture school provides you the tools to innovate, problem solve, and think on your feet. Regardless of whether you stay in the field or switch to something similar (or very different) in the future, these wonderful tools stay with you forever. On the flip side, find ways to normalize sleeping, rest, and good dietary habits. Unfortunately, many of the bad habits formed in school stay with you later on in life as well, with severe consequences to your physical and mental health. Trust me, one can produce as much in three hours of an alert and rested brain as one does during an all nighter, especially if you are in the creative (design) phase of a project. :D
I accidentally click your video I just browsing some kind of business stuff for artist and I found the first video of you was the title "there's no money on art" somethin like that... And I'm touched of what you've been saying on it, Then I found this next to your video. I'm a 1st year Bs Architecture student in the philipines. I just started planning to stop my journey on it for about couple weeks, because I can't find my self holding this profession anymore. But it is also hard to tell to my relatives and my parents specially to my sister who provides almost all of my stuff for architecture because it's so expensive. And I don't want to waste what they gave to me. I don't have anyone to talk about it. But you man. You open my self to reality. You're my voice. Sorry for my English. But I'm so much related in you.
That wave of relief when you finally let go of the thing that has been causing you misery , so good Didn't switch careers, but I did that with my last job. Sent my resignation email in the morning, and walked right into work. I very much enjoyed the look on their faces, esp knowing they would have a hard time replacing me as they've already had a hard time hiring more people with my position. And I didn't care because I genuinely think management weren't good people.
This is beautiful. I haven't felt super clear about my direction until recently & stories like yours remind me that this journey is about more than having all the answers and following a straight path.
I'm a year late, but... This video hits hard. I am in an architecture firm now, and man... School did NOT prepare me for anything. They taught us how to design, but none of us are even allowed to touch design fresh out of school. We start with drafting and none of were taught how a building goes together, with any real depth.
I recently graduated from Architecture but right now I'm trying my luck in UA-cam. I wish this decision will worth it as I feel like I just wasted 10 years of my life finishing 2 college courses.
My best friend is an architect and woo wee everything you so is so true. But, she really loves the Industry and just stuck at a crappy firm. You have to teach yourself so many other skills to move up, hard ass work so the passion for architecture is a must to make all the struggles worthwhile.
YT just did its magic and showed me your video in the home page. I can't relate more with your experience. I've graduated in architecture 2 years ago, jumped to one place of work to another, finding always something wrong. Every place is staring to ask perfect use of Revit, and well, no course of Revit in University.. I'm about to try the final exam (to really work as an architect and sign your project, here in Italy, you need an extra exam.. but with 2 years of experiences is crazy to think that someone can put a sign on something because the work is so more different from the things that you learn at the university!) and I'm also thinking to start a private course of Revit, because everyone want this program as a basic request in the cv... I'm so angry, defeated, hopeless and depressed. I've spent years, money, energy, sleepless night for this dream that I've had since I was 13, that I can't let it go... because I LOVE this work, but I can't feel it the way I want... In the last month, with the second wave of the virus, I'm really starting to questioning everything, this video kinda came up in the middle of a crisis and it will sure add something to my thought. So, well, just passing by, complain, and go 😅 I just needed to share this emotion with the internet. BTW I love your work! I will start to follow you for sure! Since art and artists are one of the few good things in my life, this year! So thank you, really.. and stay safe!
The only thing i learnt in architecture school is how to learn things in architectural field, and that is by doing a lot of bull work with bat shit crazy routine .
I am currently in my undergrad for architecture. I graduate I’m May. I’m taking a gap year once I graduate to decide on if I want to go into the masters program or use my degree to pursue another creative path as I have ties to traditions fine arts, graphic design, glass arts and other mediums. But this video brings up a lot of the conversations that I’m having with my professors and advisors at the moment about the things that don’t translate over from studying architecture to actually working in architecture. It’s kind of amazing to think that career feels so concrete and linear as a path and then having to explain to family and others that it’s actually not at all. Anywho I’m starting to ramble but thank you for sharing your story; very relatable and necessary.
Hi, thank you for that video, I totally agree with everything. As an ex-architect, who decided to leave it for art I have the exact same feeling about it. I quit architecture because it was so uncreative that I had this awful feeling, that I'm wasting my life. It felt like I was a lawyer, just as you've mentioned. I really love to design, but architecture in real life isn't about design most of the time... and even when you have ability to design something it's all about money. I quit for beeing illustrator and concept artist and now I am so happy when I can use my architecture knowledge in environment design
I only just came to finishing this video, and I want to at thank you, ergojosh, for making it. I'm currently one semester in being an Indistrial Design student at college (I didn't want to go into architecture because I took an architectural drawing class in high school and thought it was too dense and boring). I pretty much precluded pursuing art as a career because, although I had the hobby for years, I didn't receive much formal instruction, and my parents instilled the "starving artist" stereotype on me. I really like studio thus far, but I'm kind of worried if the opportunity cost of not pursuing the arts directly. It feels really good to hear from you about this because most of my classmates are technically minded. I was really nervous about watching this because I thought it would tell me "You wasted your time, now go on the stark course correction and 'follow your dreams'," but it was not that at all. The recommendation to essentially make your current situation close to what you want is optimistic to me, and I think I will pursue it. Thank you.
Brother, I entirely understand you. I have the same fillings with my current professional position (I’m a lawyer with 15 years of experience). I have decentbackground, reached a high position in the office... But, I went through this way. And now looking for a new way Your decision led you to your dreams - it is essential!
Hello, i really liked this video. I am a landscape-architect in Stockholm and many of the things you talked about, like designing i Revit as a constraint for creative design really resonated with me. But mostly what you said made me realize how much i love my job. Like love love, butterflies love. Not every day but more days than not. My job gives me the chance to form parks, streets etc and set the stage where people live their life. That said it is so great that you found the right job for you, i really enjoy your content and has learned lots about drawing in procreate from your videos. Thank you
I really appreciate you sharing your experiences. As a college student with one semester left, there's a lot of uncertainty for me regarding my future, my passions, and what I really want out of my job and my life. A dichotomy I often see surrounding this topic is between "gaining experience" and "wasting your time." I thought I wasted so many years of my life wanting to be an engineer; it was all I wanted to be until I hit my second semester of engineering college. Looking back with everything I've experienced now, I don't think I would change how things have played out til this point because they have brought me to where I am today. I also gained a lot from being an engineering major: I did not like that. Knowing what you do and do not enjoy (and how that evolves over your lifetime) only really comes from experiencing all those things. I'll be graduating in May with a design degree, but even then, I'm not sure if that's the field I'll ultimately settle into. All I know now is that change is okay; it's normal, and we never truly have to start from square one again.
Is this a sign?! I'm on my last year and currently working on my undergraduate thesis. I just want to get my Architecture degree and then switch to a different career.
Same, but 1 year before graduate and I'm so deeply disappointed in the industry. I love architecture a lot and I'm giving it time, since I want to get a degree anyway. But the majority of people working in it rn and HOW they are working is... so disappointing. I wanna do architecture AND have a life. Not live for architecture or do architecture for a living... I'm against overworking, pro planning so nobody rushes the last night, against hierarchy keeping the system and pro freedom... Im actually thinking about turning it to an easier career, like focus on small architecture forms of interior design... But yeah, just thoughts. You aren't alone! And finding this video showed me I'm not alone either.
I'm studying architecture too right now, but I have decided that I'll take all the important skills from this uni and apply them to whatever job I cam find in the art industry, which is the one I'm actually interested in. These kinds of videos have been super helpful with my decision making!!
I would love to see you tackle some figure drawings, or drawings on large pads of newsprint. I find that the smaller space on a tablet lends to too much control and not enough room to really get those gestures in there, and being able to use your full arm as opposed to just your wrist makes such a difference in the final look. I don't know if you're even into traditional art or have tried it before (some people haven't but do great in digital!), but I'd love to see a Josh piece in some vine charcoal on newsprint!
Thanks for what I found to be really good advice! I'm not going into architecture, I'm in the mechanical engineering program. I'm really into the designing and hands on parts and was thinking of going into a big company like Boeing, maybe space-x, or even NASA, but what you said made me realize that I would probably never do what I want to do in those companies. I would probably be stuck doing something very monotonous. With that info I guess I rethink the whole big company thing and go into a smaller one or maybe even travel, but who knows what future me will pull off. Thanks again for the great advice!!
I really liked your video and I can relate also. I've been working in architecture for the past 8 years, and I still feel disconnected from the field. I thought it was a good compromise instead of going in fashion design (more stable job) but I've never felt like I belong. I'm now slowly starting to learn fashion (but still working in architecture) just to see where it goes. Great video!
I totally get you. I had a similar experience. Dreamed about studying architecture since high school. Ended up in a civil engineering course. Really missed the creative part of studies so I quit. Finally got to Architecture University last year. But then, I've learned that I don't want to stuck in this industry. And now studying graphic design and have motivation and fulfilment out of it. Feels great!
I just want to thank you josh for this video as I am going through the same exact situation right now studying in my 6th year of Architecture and I’m exhausted and felt forced into something I didn’t understand or completely want.
I just graduated architecture back in August 2020. I have already begun to transition to art industry specifically cg environment art. This video was super helpful. I'm more confident in this decision I've made. It will be a tough road ahead of me. But I'm actually enjoying life now. Thank you for sharing your story :)
We have a very similar journey! I went to school for and worked in the design industry (focused on sustainable interior design and historic preservation) and eventually felt like I was drowning in things that meant nothing to me. I especially hated that 90% of my life was about paperwork, client hand-holding and managing the subcontractors, rather than actual creative work. Some people flourish in that position, and while I was amazing at my job, I was miserable. I had to give up that paycheck in exchange for pursuing happiness. That was not easy! I have been a full-time artist since 2015 and I know this was 100% the right move for me. It's a constant hustle to pay the bills, but at least I'm happy. Thank you for sharing your journey :)
I’m in my 3rd year now in Architecture school and there’s still a lot to learn. What drives my “passion” and kept me going is because of the design processes, but hearing a lot from architects who experienced the real job now makes me scared, because thinking about it that it is all the technical stuff feel draining. I also don’t wanna stop, since I feel like I have to make a living from it and knowing my country is low in its economy and its hard to make a living also what drives me, which is toxic cause it felt like you just live to survive. So I’m really proud of you Josh! that was just a brave thing to do!!
I'm not from USA, but I am studying architecture at the present and actually I listened this while I was working on a project for college, and I have to say thank u, really inspire video, the career is beautiful but intense so I mostly understand what you said, I just remembered something that a teacher said to my class on first year and was that study architecture can ended up like you or not, but will help you to know more about yourself, I keep learning, thank u again. (sorry for my english)
Architecture is what I truly wanted to get into when I was in college. Georgia Tech was my first application, needless to say I didnt have the grades for it. I got into Ball State just to be told by my counselor that I wouldn't have the grades to do it. That was devastating to me at the time because I had spent about 5-6 years prior to that working in AutoCAD, Architectural Desktop, and Revit...oh the memories of hitting render and then going to bed. Thanks for the talk Josh was a great listen.
Hello! I'm in 12th grade in high school and since 11th grade I have been in a CTE program And I take Architecture and design! It's a college class you take in your high school career. We learned How to use revit and Autocad and we learned everything you said from design buildings, making buildings for "clients" and such and my teacher. I only joined cause I loved art but architecture dosent really give me the opportunity to draw what I want. So i was thinking that maybe architecture isnt for me. I think it's a good program because you get to experience what it's like in the feild for free and basically take the class for free and if you dont like it you can go to college for somthing else which imma do. I feel the same as you so this video REALLY helped. Thanks !!!
I'm taking a CTE class too but for 2 years! It's for Visual Communication (Graphic Design basically) and I'm in my first year! It's so weird having to think about the design process. I get to actually have clients in 2nd year(my senior year) which will be fun for sure.
@@Gab_Dash126 Yeah I took it for 2 years too! But it's so cool that you get to have actual clients 🤣 I mean I guess it makes sense. I dont think anyone wants a kid making a building for them with only 2 years of experience. I hope the next 2 years go well for you!
Ergo, thank you for this video and telling your experience. I feel I'm in the same position: studied many years architecture, moved to another country to work in a better environment (London), and making my living in this field, but... it's not satisfying, as you said you feel like you are never enough, you don't know enough. And I really do want to have the courage and swith to illustration. I hope one day I'll have the courage to make that walk.
I'm having the same problems right now with Architecture : / It's a good course don't get me wrong but I have a feeling that it's not for me and I really want to continue my own artistic dreams, Its just hard to give architecture up since I live in a country where people only give opportunities to people who studied for a white-collared job (Doctors, Lawyers, etc.). Thank you senpai for giving your insights about this topic
Love hearing your story! I have a similar story, and enjoy talking to people about there hobbies. I'm an Engineer that works on complex networks including 5G and data centres fibre option networks. However, love and have worked in animation, concept design and software deveopment end. Its a big step to take, walking away from a job that you invested time and money on pursuing. Best of luck to you, I love that your following you passion.
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That moment you are listening ErgoJosh talking about architecture, fixing 3D projects in Rhino, rendering, and trying to learn how to turn heads following Loomis methodology at the same moment (literally lost) !!! I am super glad to hear about your previous experience with architecture and sorry about how it turned out (but mostly glad because we wouldn't have your channel if you become a cool architect). I studied architecture and, I had a professor who used to say that architecture is only a door that leads to other ways =D
That's pretty interesting, i am still at the collage phase so i just need to push through but after that its gonna be an interesting to choose things , i feel that i would love to do some sort of art and i will try to go that way Really interesting video again
TW: depression, suicidal thoughts. Hey Josh! This video means a lot to me, I currently study Architecture but I am struggling a lot. My mental health reached my all time low this year because of my Uni. It was very bad for the past 3 years that I've been studying, my anxiety was (and is) severe but this year, because of the lockdown, I was so, so depressed. I basicly wanted to die. I worked all day everyday to pass all my subjects but in spite of that, I was failing every single one. My proffesors left me on my own, didn't respond to emails on time and I haven't even had a single Zoom lecture. That's why I took a year off back in June. It was refreshing after that to hear someone else's not-so-positive look onto Architecture. I was left with no friends in the Uni because of my struggle and all I saw was a bunch of passionate people who never fail and I was there alone, all miserable, barely passing my exams. Ironically, you gave me hope that when I come back there next year, there is still something I can look forward to. I can make new friends and I can have a fresh start. I loved working on my designs and getting feedback from proffesors and other students. I only hope I won't fall into despair when I come back there, but I'm so much stronger now with my therapy. I am so happy for you to have found a job to make you finally happy! Hope you have a great day :D
Hey Im glad you are getting better. If its any help I will say that it does get better. I have never known any frustration and despair like I have in school. Theres no fear like failing an exam or missing a bus etc in the working world unless you are very poor imo. School was very tough for me as well so I hope you can be encouraged to know that others struggle too. I remember failing calc twice in a row only to pass with a D haha. No late night as an adult compares to those late nights.
Thank you for sharing this story. If I may share my own, I'm 29 here, and working through a similar process of self-discovery from a completely different industry. I spent years in college convinced that I was going to become some kind of teacher, whether an English Lit. teacher in the US. or an English language teacher working abroad somewhere. 6-8 years of college and more student loan debt than I care to admit later, I finally faced the truth during the last couple of semesters of acquiring a Masters that, for everything I loved about being involved in education (particularly the people I was getting to spend time with), I just really did not enjoy classroom teaching (much less all of the other frustrating administrative work that comes along with teaching) enough to ever actually find true success in education as a job. I was not actually doing too bad at things, (gonna shamelessly brag and say that I somehow completed that Masters program with a 4.0, so I must have been doing something right), but at some point it just did not feel like I was actually going to find a viable future for myself in this area. Moreover, I realized that stubbornness and sunk-cost fallacies were causing me to make myself miserable from trying to force myself into becoming something that I was convinced I SHOULD become. During that existential breakdown, a couple of people I knew in education left teaching to start working on developing education software, and they asked me if I would be interested in any opportunities. I didn't have nearly enough of a tech background at the time to take them up on those offers, but it did open my eyes to the fact that I did not have to keep railroading myself into something that wasn't turning out to be a great fit for me. So I stepped back. I graduated, worked retail for a year to save up some money while I completely rethought my life, and saved up enough to take care of myself while I take a few months off this spring to actually try learning some of the art and tech skills I wish I had made time to learn in college. It's too early to say exactly where all of this is going to wind up taking me, but I'm at least enjoying the chance to actually learn some things that I had never really given myself enough credit to try learning before.
you know I was really having a difficult time in my first year in architecture right now and kept thinking that I made a wrong decision. and because of a certain virus, architecture doesn't have that hands-on feel to it, I was really doubting my self right now but then this suddenly showed up in my youtube feed, and felt relieved knowing that I'm not alone. I think might give it another semester to work on my studies and then I'll decide if I should stay or not. liked the video a lot and kinda lift my spirits up abit
I am also trying to pursue art/animation, graphic design. I was in the military for 6 years as a mechanic and went to school for that then when i went back to school again to try and advance and get a better degree in automotive because I thought it was what I should do and my fiancé at the time was pushing me to go finish school. But I realized when i started there that i just really wasn’t passionate about it anymore, especially as i was getting older. I love cars, i enjoy working on them, but more on my own stuff as a hobby. I just realized i wasnt as excited about it anymore and didn’t really want to work on other peoples vehicles at a dealership anymore just making ok money and not being that happy. Anyways very inspirational video and i hope i can get to the same place and be able to work for myself and be able to commission work for people. Keep up the great videos Josh you are a very talented artist 👍🏻👍🏻
This is all so relatable... I loved my product design degree and I find that the industry has not brought out that same passion from me. I really want to make the change into an art career
Whenever I watch one of your videos I truly do feel like I can do something involving art. It will take years but you give me the motivation to keep going in my art journey. Thanks josh ❤️
Gosh this is so relatable! Unlike your experience, I worked for smaller firms for 6 years (10-20 people). But it was still draining. I live in the Philippines, and the added stress of getting shoddy worksmanship can suck the life out of you. And you can't get mad at the workers because you know they don't get paid enough to care. The pandemic has been a wake up call, and now I'm trying to transition into something more art-related. Thank you for the inspiration!!! 🥰🥰🥰
I can most definitely relate. For me, drawing has been a hobby for the most part, I studied pharmaceutical chemistry and I have a bachelors degree on that, but the industry in my country has ridiculous high standards and terribly low salaries. I understand about the high standards, it's a delicate and demanding industry, but the paychecks are not worth it. I ended up leaving my job and since I am bilingual I managed to get a job at a call center in which I have a better salary. Not mentioning that I get much better treatment from my fellow employers and managers than my previous job, I don't regret my decision at all. But of course, I am not going to stay forever at a call center. I am looking for other options and digital illustration is something that I am contemplating. Unfortunately, I'm still in the middle of the mess, not quite out of it yet...
This was very insightful, thank you so much! I'm on my way to my 3rd yr in architecture school and although I do like architecture, it's such a soul-depleting course. I took this route because it was a respectable profession (esp to asian parents) however, im going to branch out in a creative field in which i can transfer my skills to. I'm so relieved to see that im not the only one experiencing this. I'll come back to this comment again after 3 years 😂🤍
As an Architecture college dropout, i can relate to a big chunk of your story, here.. ;) i knew this was a really good channel.. hehe. You’re a good storyteller.. and by the likes of it.. your sketching seems pretty pretty solid. :) No wonder you’ve got over 650k subs, in a channel so specific as this. For a quick short selfish moment.. i wish it wasn’ t so big, cos it would make it easier to try and have a 1 to 1 talk, with you. i’ll still try though.. :P Thank you for sharing your story, and thank you for the visual/background ‘filler’ which was pretty cool to watch. cheers from Portugal
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I quit architecture a few years back... I still have friends who try to coax me back into it and sometimes i consider going back because i dont wanna “waste” the years of architecture school but this video really just sums it up. Some people find home in architecture some just.. dont. Thank you for sharing!!! This was really comforting.
I've been studying for 6 years of architecture studies and well gotten some work experience but I feel my hobby of drawing is much stress free than working. What do you advise on this?
I quit architecture for art/animation. One of the Best decisions I’ve ever made. I also find that most of the skills I learnt in architecture propelled my career/growth in the art industry
im kind of in that position, i want to stop pursuing architecture after uni and instead go into art
@@justjoseph99 me too!!
I am in second years and I want to quit architecture... I wanted to get into 2d animation
@@drthertyhejrthrth that's exactly where I am too hghfhfhf
i'm not yet in that stage where you pick courses or whatever, i wanna be a flight attendant when i grow up but i want to be an artist too, and of course you definitely cannot balance those two. Sometimes i wonder if i walk my path to the flight attendant one, of course it would be a dream come true.. but i feel like theres a missing part. Then if I walk to the path of being an artist, again, there would be something missing and I don't know if I would be able to provide my needs and if i would be able to earn enough and stuff.. lol idkk
Ur such an inspiration to me, ilu Josh senpaiii 😭💕💕💕
Omg may I just say I love your art style?? 😸🖤
Senpai?
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Sensei is a goat
*UwU voice flashbacks*
@@JeffEshun Always that one person saying cringe
I always wanted to follow in my older brother's footsteps, he is a very talented programmer.
It took me a decade of crawling through jobs in the hi tech industry to understand this is not for me.
Long story short, I took a 2 year animation class and I am now working for the last 18 months in the biggest local animation studio.
I can totally relate to your story, even though it took me way longer to understand who I am, and to believe that I can do artistic things even without starting it out as a kid.
For those who think it's too late for them, I started learning animation when I was 27, with a 1 yo baby, so, it's probably possible for you too.
was the animation class at a university or just an online program? I'm super curious :)
I'm 28 but started at 27. Something about that time just really pushes you to try something new. Wishing us both luck and progress in our art journey 😊
Wow, I am so curious about your story. I'm currently doing my master's in Translation studies. Ever since I was a kid I wanted to be an animator and go to art school, but you know how that usually goes-some dare to do it, others don't.
Anyways, I was curious if u took a college course or an course? Thanks for sharing your story too~ it really gives me hope (I'm around that age as well and think I can't focus on two things or it's too late).
@@bananahalib I enrolled in Israel top animation college called IAC (Israeli Animation College) in their flagship 3D animation program, we learned mostly the modelling/sculpting/shading/rendering, but there was a lot of animation studies too, I chose to do my final work in animation.
I think it's important to do a class where you can meet others, if your online oppurtunities offer that, i would say that's good. an important part of getting work in this industry is knowing the right people, and going to a place to study is a sure way to find students like you, and even better, teachers that are in key positions in your local industry who can see your hard work and dedication and award it with a nice recommendation. that's what happened in my case :)
good luck! it's never too late. DREAMS COME TRUE! just work super hard at it and it will happen.
@@kyriebranch9425 see the comment i wrote above about the animation college i enrolled in
A teacher told us in our first day in architecture school: only 1% of you will be designing concepts.
The old architect u talked about having his own glass office ^^ there isn't much room in the peek of the pyramid, and its the same in every creative industry, its very subjective and very competitive.
And thats the best advice you can give to a young kid going into art life.
then why people even waste time on it?
@@disaster4550 hi I am gonna be morbid bout this and say it’s for when they die there is a replacement .
the only thing quicker than ergo stealing hearts is how fast we come when we get a notif
"You are in complete control of your life and what you can make out of your life and your experiences"
Thank you Josh, I really needed to remember this during this times.
With respect to Josh, I strongly disagree with his statement.
If Covid has taught us anything, it's that we are NOT in complete control of our lives.
We like to think we're in control, but that illusion disappears the moment your doctor says that your painful lump is malignant. Or when your wife says you will soon be a father. Or when you lose your job and the mortgage is due. Or when you miss the bus, but meet a beautiful soul.
We don't navigate a straight course across turbulent seas.
The best we do is try to surf the waves.
@@w0mblemania yes
I never clicked on a video so fast!! I just graduated with my masters in architecture and now I’m working in the profession and and I’m so miserable. But now I’m propelling my art endeavors forward in full force. The Architecture profession is draining! And art is empowering.
Josh, I can't tell you how much I needed to hear this
I wasted 8 years of my life in Architecture and I can assure that Josh did an amazing job explaining how it's like to actually work in the industry.
as he mentioned we need to become a jack of all trades but the process is so hard and slow that it can feel like you are learning everything and nothing at the same time.
I've spent my 8th year (2019) learning how to work with multiple programs for drawings, 3D modeling and rendering, I took courses after courses with the best tutors I could find and then, 2020 happened! I never had any free time to reflect on my thoughts and the choices I made and the choices I was about to make
the moment I realized I didn't have the slightest amount of passion left in me, hit me so hard that I could feel all the tiredness from those all-nighters I pulled crawling back to me.
I felt empty, I felt unmotivated to the point of questioning the source of my motivation in the first place. it took me too long to acknowledge that the only thing that kept me going was the "hustle", it might sound stupid but after talking to some of my college friends they agreed that the hustle was the result of constant competition in the education system.
I don't know how it works in other countries but in my case at the end of every semester our scores were finalized only after the judges checked all the projects from all the classes and students at the same time, even with the ones with different professors. so it means everyone would constantly drop scores if someone came up with a better design or better ideas or better skills in executing the idea.
I remember feeling so lonely during my time at the college cause most of the people in my class hated me for putting way too much effort into my projects (which was out of passion not competition) but I believe the environment did effect me in one way or the other...
so I kept going without realizing I'm losing my physical health and finally my mental health after acknowledging I lost 8 years of my life just to be unemployed due to the recent horrible condition of economy in my country.
I'm sorry if my comment is grammatically incorrect, I tried my best :)
And I will finish school this year and wanted to go to architecture😑
I feel lost now... 😟
@@justwannahavefun2662 A part of this decision is on you and how passionate you are and if you are willing to dedicate multiple years of your life to achieve it, and the other part totally depends on your location and how successful the industry is in general, in my case the industry went down the hill after I finished art school and I should've stopped but I didn't. (which I deeply regret)
TL;DR:
If the industry is doing well and successful young architectures exist in your country and you are passionate enough to dedicate your life to this, go for it!
Hope this helped.😊
I can relate to this so much, my passion for architecture is just… gone, i still love architecture but i hate it so much at the same time.
Agreed. I’m currently in community college majored in architecture for 4 years ( most of the years were general Ed classes which is why I’m still College) and after covid happened in the last two years I never felt so happy, but I still believed I wanted to do architecture thinking it was the only option. It wasn’t until this month we’re I realized I wasn’t as passionate as I thought I was in architecture. So now I’m having a bit of stress and anxiety over myself for wasting so much time.
Is it possible to move to another country and get a good job in architecture after finishing studies or am i bound to the country that I will be studying in? Please let me know if u can
I quit collegue architecture after 5 years studing (in south america, collegue is 5 and a half years+ if u are fast) i just couldnt do it anymore, i was so depressed! It was the Best decision i did in My life
Sorry for my English ❤️
You know I’m scared of making the wrong decision, but I’m even more scared of not ever making the decision
What you did takes guts, blatant guts and passion. Thanks sensei
I didn't read the full title and for a second I thought you were quitting art completely lmao
Same lmao
What an inspiring video - in all sorts of ways! My journey was very similar, except I've never done architecture, it was just something else. I'm happy for you to have come down this path, Josh! And we're a lot of people here who are ready and happy to support you ♥ Best of luck!
This hit hard! 3 years in architecture school and 4 years in interior design school. After working in the industry for almost 3 years everything you said I can relate. All of the high and low during design school was not there. I was not designing and just another part of the production machine... Love this video and the people comments below, seeing that so many people having the same issues really empowering me to let all go and move on to something I have always wanted to do for a living which is drawing! If you are reading this, GOOD LUCK! We only have one life!
I currently work in architecture and on the side, I draw to exert my creative side. 90% of what josh said about architecture school and the realities of working in a corporate firm is quite accurate. Design is only 10-20% of the job. The other 80-90% is making the building work, ensuring it complies, collaboration with other specialists in the industry managing the cost and a lot of documentation. For me I like it because I am a very technical person. Learning details such as doors, windows and structural elements is very interesting to me. I actually enjoy documentation a lot and to receive concepts from a designer and working on it to bring it to life.
When josh expresses his lack on independence on a job, still requiring instructions from his leaders even 2 years in. That is normal. Architecture embodies a lot of knowledge and we become the jack of all trades. It's impossible for us to complete tasks without collaboration and mentoring especially very earlier in our careers. As long as you enjoy the job, just keep pushing through. All Knowledge and experiences takes time and the bond you create with you team and project leader can be very rewarding.
I'm glad josh found his calling. It's never too late to pursue something else.
True. Good stuff pangle. Everybody's journey is different. I'm glad you're still making it happen in architecture.
I'm listening to your story and I almost screamed in relief!!! Someone understands!!! I am currently working in a mid size architecture firm as well and your reviews is literally so similar to what I'm experiencing. I'm 6 yrs in right now and what I like the most about architecture is the people. I don't really care too much about working in Revit all the time or AutoCad. Right now we are all working in Revit 2018-2020 on BIM 360 cloud and having to collaborate with the engineers has been more effective. But like you said, you don't get the luxury to design. You just have to work on a lot of details and all that boring stuff. And having that imposter syndrome is so real. Honestly, I feel like I don't necessarily belong like you said because I am more artsy than I am technical. I can go on and on but to validate what you are saying, but I just want to say thank you for sharing your story. I am on a venture to becoming a full-time artist as well. I thought I was in a unique position until I saw your youtube page and now your story. Thank you for your story. You just gave me a Realistic view of hope that I can do this. Stay Blessed!
I also graduated with a BS in architecture and worked at a corporate firm for almost 2 years before deciding to pivot to art (animation)... needless to say this video came at the right time! I reiterate all your sentiments about architecture school vs. the work force (and Revit LOL). I had no idea you came from an architecture background!
Also, hearing someone say “pin up” for the first time in a few years sent a SHIVER down my spine 😭
hahaha its crazy but im not surprised
"Pin up" sent me shivers too
-Is this the signal I was looking for?
Literally my thoughts when I saw the video
YES! If you have been thinking about it and you're unhappy.. do it ❤️
@@justchris1717 I would but there isn't anything else I look forward to do 😂
bruh same
Why is this fitting SO hard to my current life situation... D:
I study Landscape Architecture because i'm afraid to start my art career... although i know that making art is what my soul and heart desires.
As an architecture study and fan of your channel I'm exciting for this video
The very confused and uncertain about the future architecture student that I am was waiting for this video I know it's not gonna be a definitive solution/answer to my uncertainties but I feel like someone's experience would be good to here. thanks Josh !
yo! this is what ive been talking bout, pursuing architecture has so many rooms for uncertainaties, unlike art,you will use and do what u have learned in the school,meanwhile architecture only use 10% of what you have learned into practicality. leaving another 90% of uncertainities, this huge lump of dark unknown road is scary as Fck.I leaves you wondering for what can you do with what you have,unlike art you may have alrdy the clue in which profession you are good and like at,and may strive on it. but archi have very huge uncertainaties,and im not an immortal to spend half of my life just figuring out at which things i could be good and pros on it. no way!!!
This really hit home for me, Josh. I'm in a similar situation of just graduating from Architecture school with a Master's. I felt like taking it a step above Bachelor's would put me in a better position to get hired out from graduation. I'm currently working in a small firm and also struggling with the disconnect from school to real-world and learning Revit! It is fun, but likewise, I am more interested in the artistic and design aspect of architecture, and that passion has led me to make an art and animation channel that I am slowly working on currently (this channel profile, in particular!) I dunno where life will take me, but currently dealing with mixed emotions of struggling in the workplace whilst looking inward to decide if architecture is something I want to keep pursuing, or if it's something else. Love the people I have worked with through my past internships and my current job tho! The people do make the environment great! I love hearing about your journey and experience with transitioning from architecture to art, and the veeeeeery similar struggles of school vs. real-world in the architecture realm!
I spent 6 years to get my masters. By my third year I knew Architecture wasn’t for me. My first year after getting my masters I became a tattoo artist and haven’t looked back❤️
Natedawg yo that’s awesome dude congrats! Being a tattoo artist would definitely be a great career! Wish you the best of luck and I’m glad you haven’t looked back!
I feel your pain. I studied 5 years total to get my B. and masters degree in architecture. I spent the first 2 years working (post uni) resenting architecture school for not teaching industry related units and skills. Revit was so discouraged and was not embraced by uni until I already completed my bachelors. By that I mean, they didn't start teaching revit within the course. Only taught 1st and 2nd years.. I pushed myself to learn rhino and revit on my own it was the only way to know those skills. In my final year of masters, despite teacher's not wanting me to use revit. I did it anyways. I prefered to be job ready than to receive top marks and thank God I did. With those skills I prioritised, it landed me a great job at a large firm where they value mentorship and work place culture. I enjoy the projects I do. Because I am more technical than design savvy, work place is a lot better for me than uni.
I eventually came to realise that university teaches you how to learn. Your Learning begins after uni.
Jo.pang50 couldn’t have said it better myself! I also didn’t get Revit classes (one class) until I was in my Masters program. And eyyyy shout out to Rhino! I learned that and Sketchup before really learning Revit, but I’m glad I learned it when I did cause it gave me a great head-start when jobs were almost exclusively asking for Revit experience!
@@timallenanimates5720 overall I picked up a lot of programs, both useful and useless. Uni had the audacity to teach microstation because the unit chair or tutor refused to upskill and use revit.
I understand the stand point of revit is a bit restrictive to play with form and conceptual ideas but nevertheless, If you have time to learn crappy microstation, you have time to learn sketch up and rhino.
University at least where I am from has unfortunately prioritised business over education. They rake in money from international students, overload the classes and struggle to provide valuable content
I completely agree with your video. I currently practicing architecture at a general contracting firm, and I definitely feel the imposter syndrome. I’m now the only designer and basically just started the working so it feels really jarring to just be thrown out into the field not really knowing anything. I’m picking up art now to keep the creative juices flowing but working in the field made me realize I love architecture, but I hate the profession. Great video! Keep it up and congrats on finding your new path :)
It's been ten years since i study architecture and working in it. Many things happen this year that make me remembering my old memory, every little drawing that i always make in hidden cause everybody telling me i can't make a living from art. I think i can doing little art here and there if i working in architecture, because architecture is the closest thing i can get to art school with my parent permission. Just like you Josh, i feel happy when i in university, i really think i found my way. But when i starting working, yeah, exactly like what you describe.
Today, after years of ignore my inner self that keep shouting i should pursue art, i can't hold it anymore. Without some solid plan, i give my 30 day notice letter to my bos. I will restarting my journey into the art again, and this video pop on my recommendation 😂, i guess the universe trying to tell me something...
Thank you, this video make me doesn't feel alone anymore 👍
Thank you so much for sharing your story and your experiences in architecture! I was surprised to see so many people in the comments also have similar experiences and while I'm relieved that I'm not the only one or some anomaly it is rather heartbreaking because these experiences are quite painful.
The disconnect between architecture school and working in the field is huge. My uni actually taught us the programs such as Revit and ArchiCad so I didn't struggle with them. I didn't have a dream of becoming an architect but I was encouraged to go for it because everyone thought I had the aptitude. In school I really liked the creative problem solving aspect and the community we had. I was good at it. I thought it was for me.
After 6 years of school and 4 years of working in the field I can say for sure that it isn't. The actual job is so far from what we were taught in school and I don't find all the nitty-gritty details, code, structure etc. interesting or fun at all. You learn a lot on the job. You have to if you want to do your work well and pull your weight. What I learned is that if you actually want to be able to design something one day you either have to sacrifice a lot of your life to the field, to the company, take on a huge load of responsibility and pull 10-hours work days minimum. Or put up your own company, which is extremely difficult as you explained so well.
I feel like I have no freedom in this job. I am just a resource, a cog in a machine that just needs to find its place. I have found that it is very easy to get stuck doing the same thing for a long, long time. If you work on, let's say doors, in a project you are likely to be profiled as the door expert within the company and all you do is work on doors regardless of the project you are in. Some companies will actually talk with the employees about their job descriptions but I know many don't. It's a waste of resources to rotate the employees much. If person X has all the knowledge and experience about doors it is a waste of resources to put person Y with less experience on the job. Working with consultants, construction companies etc. also feels tough and oftentimes results in pointing fingers at other parties when deadlines aren't met or something isn't handled properly.
When I talk to people about my dream of doing art full time as a concept artist/freelancer the first thing people bring up is the income. Architects make a very middle-range wage but it seems that laymen have a very glorified image of architecture. It feels like all this talk about income has made me too scared of how I will make my living if I quit in this field. Despite my fears I have taken the first step out and put up my own business. I am currently doing creature designs on the side and I hope I will be able to decrease my hours at the company I work at to be able to put more time into my business and eventually let go of architecture. It is going to take some time but if I survived the grind in architecture school and the daily grind at my job I can do it.
I'm very glad for you and others who have found their passions and made the leap. Being able to do something fulfilling with your time so much more valuable than just churning for the paycheck. It is important to be able to make a living but if you have to balance income with passion it gets exhausting. I hope everyone will find a place in their life they feel good in! Leaving behind something that makes you miserable is not weakness, it's strength.
Gosh that made me cry... I'm kinda undecided... I'm still studying and in a few years I'll have to choose whether I want to be a architect or animator. I'm passionate with both and it's been bothering me. I don't really know what I should do...
Im sure you'll find something!
same here.
Same!
dont do architecutre
If in doubt, never pick architecture. As mentioned in the video the school never prepares you for the real world, I have been in the industry for over 8 years, to this day I wished I had picked something else that’s a bit more fulfilling. Right now it’s just like going through the motions everyday, the initial passion that I had for architecture is all but drained especially in a corporate setting, there’s no running away from because that’s where the money is.
As an Architecture student who excelled in the Visual Arts department over any other subjects, it took a long while for me to admit where I needed to be in order to support myself. I live with a family and society that really values high education and big titles. Because of this, I was pressured to finish Architecture as the course I took to the detrement of my emotional and mental well-being.
Eventually, I used my time in Architecture school as an irregular student to have a healthier time for myself, while slowly buildung up my artistic career and become a freelancer online with the initial intention to support my course until I graduate.
However, the closer I was to graduating, the more I was able to fully discern the actual responsibilities of being an Architect and the kind of lifestyle it will bring, and I realized in my experience it was too colossal than I could personally bear.
While I really enjoyed my time in Architecture and learned so much! I had to modestly admit my limitations as an individual and reconsidered my plans for the kind of job I could realistically manage for myself. So I quit Architecture, while many pitied me for leaving being that close.
Many students in my batch (and the batches I hanged with as an irregular student) has the capacity to handle its pressures and responsibilities. That's good for them.
As for me, I find myself happier and healthier, mind and body, since I've crafted out a lot of opportunities by focusing as a freelancer artist with a more manageable lifestyle it allows me to live with. I've supported myself and my family, whilst abling to expand my work opportunities to who knows how many more might come, and my simple desire to use my talent to continue creating.
I'm in design school and at a point where I'm realizing the same things but have spent so many years in school for this that this seems like a scary transition since I have no art school experience
I just finished interior design school. I started to get into art in just two years. I quickly developed my skills probably due to my experience with design school. If you really want to do art do it! It is very rewarding and you can start earning from it soon enough. You can perfect your skills when you're doing something else so you can easily transition
@@eunicifyart Thank you so much for telling me about your experience. I'm well over 25 so I worry about doing this so late but my university is known for its art programs so I'm thinking after I graduate I might do an illustration postgraduate certificate to help me get started. I hope things work out for you, it's a tough decision that takes guts to do!
I am currently in the first year of Architecture, similar to you, all I want to do is become a great artist for myself. Like you said it sounds selfish, but I also know that if I don't do what I want to do then I am being pressured into doing it. Ultimately hurting myself in the end. I literally invested so much time and money into learning traditional and digital art, and yet I chose to start in the College of Architecture. So, I am deciding what I want to do with my life right now.
I am taking some advice from Pewdiepie and Mr. Beast. If I can accomplish my goals I have self for myself within a year then I won't need to worry about the future as much. As long as the goals are accomplishable then they should be a good stepping stone for whatever else I plan to accomplish.
I am saving this so I don't forget.
Thanks for the video Ergojosh, I am going to step u now
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I quit my high paying job in management for art and I'm not even confident enough to share my work yet lmao. Risky much, but I saved a lot of money and haven't felt any regret for one day and I'm glad you feel the same! But oh boy, the day I told my boss I'd quit, I almost shit my pants pff
Can't tell you how i cherish this video! you hit every point so deeply into my thoughts, still haven't graduated from architecture but also trying to be an artist and i just want to thank you for giving voice to some of my thoughts! this is so beautiful!! you GO GO GO, keep being so amazing!
Scary how close this relates to me. Just graduated last year with a master's in architecture, and I've been thinking a lot about environmental design and concept art.. But the skills I've learned in school definitely helped a lot especially in concept and design philosophy. I still think I could implement that in architecture but thinking of all the time put in real world scenarios, working for a firm that does banks and garages... It can kill motivation
and wow so many architecture student comments
My situation to the letter🤣🤣
For the community aspect you could rent a shared studio together with other artists, maybe? I am studying illustration and I plan to do this later on / once I have a bit more money.
Exactly! I want to talk about this more in my next video.
back in the day, I was pretty lucky, had the random spur of the moment to apply for a film vfx/animation art course because in the back of mind, I enjoyed making art even though I had my set plan to do further study in architecture at university. bashed in a portfolio, got into the course and now years later, I've been in the film vfx industry for 3+ years contributing to many film and tv shows. I haven't regretted it since...just got to go with your gut. But, now I'm slowly trying to transition to illustration art.
Great video. I love your story and the narration. Also, saw the thumbnail with the reference picture and thought, "Hey, That's Rachel!" Thanks for linking to her reference pack. 😀
Josh, thank you SO much for this video. Your words were exactly what I needed to hear. I am currently in my third year of architecture school and while I love my design studios, I know it is not where I truly want to end up as a career. School is amazing but I know it is not representative of what the career actually is like. As I find myself looking at pursing either a job or grad school right after my undergrad I feel really conflicted on what I want to do with my life. I am terrified/feel guilt over telling others I do not want to be an architect. This video made me feel not so alone anymore with my internal struggle (both from your story and other stories in the comments). I really hope to pursue my dream to be an artist like you someday!
It's scary how I'm actually on the brink of bashing my head on the wall because of struggling in a course that I'm not happy and passionate with, I've been wanting to leave but is uncertain because of my future. There had been numerous signs for me, and now I'm so thankful watching and knowing this, I'm taking this as my major sign to choose and chase what I truly want.
It's getting hard to enjoy Architecture when were learning online because of Covid-19. No hang-outs or staying late at night with your mates doing design projects. It's painful doing it by yourself, then being pressured. I'll also take in mind this video and considering the signs in the future.
@@pinkyp1701 exactly, and breakdowns have been more often than usual during online classes.
Glad to see you crawled out from under the corporate beast that is often Architecture!
I love using Revit and computational design, but your summary of its constraints was 100% on the money. Good stuff for taking your creativity sideways and finding your calling.
Just finished the video and you nailed the challenges people face in architecture - getting stuck as a cog in the machine was very relatable (I became a consultant in BIM eventually with my own business to escape this tendency).
Remember champs, always chase your dreams
you and your art has really inspired me, I honestly dont know what else to say its hard to describe how much the small amout of videos ive seen has helped in not even a day.
**Sees title**
Kinda relate, also studied architecture but don't have the courage to go full art 😂
same hereee! How do you do art now? hehe (I am planning on taking architecture as well).
Bet youre a filipino? Cause I experienced it too
Here too but I studied industrial design. Wanted to be Feng Zhu, but he took it to a level they don't teach in most schools.
@@shirayukibabii strictly as a hobby! Well it's because I'm not that too confident with my art tbh 😂 but I'll keep on working on it! 💪
@@kasumikiku4665 indonesian, but we're basically the same, aren't we lol
You really hit home with everything you’ve said. I didn’t even start working (luckily), I had only graduated from 3 years of Bachelor’s in Architecture, and unlike you I’ve found the whole experience as painful as you found your work. I didn’t see perspective, I did’t see where it could all lead to, I knew that becoming a designer of an Architecture firm was almost an impossible task and I knew I didn’t have the motivation to pursue that and I quit. Luckily I had people already working sharing their experiences and I never ever looked back. I always state with confidence how Architecture just wasn’t for me, but it says nothing about Architecture, and it’s still an amazing discipline for someone else. After architecture I started physics from 0. I’m finishing my Master’s this year and I’m starting a career in Data Science and I also do art as a hobby, couldn’t be happier :)
Ohhhh yay! Second comment :) I love your work so much - I think you should have a career path that makes you happy and relaxed. All the best ErgoJosh x
@Leah Carr haha oh well :) At least I still got in early. Hopefully he sees my well wishes.
I don’t really know what I want from the future but in my fam it was pretty important to go to collage for a more “respectable” course and I didn’t get my course so I worked really hard to work around that and now next year I hopefully have a spot in the course. And i feel like I’d like architecture but in terms of career it’s good to see people’s experience to know theirs more than 1 life path
I feel your pain. I studied 5 years total to get my B. and masters degree in architecture. I spent the first 2 years working (post uni) resenting architecture school for not teaching industry related units and skills. Revit was so discouraged and was not embraced by uni until I already completed my bachelors. By that I mean, they didn't start teaching revit within the course. Only taught 1st and 2nd years.. I pushed myself to learn rhino and revit on my own it was the only way to know those skills. In my final year of masters, despite teacher's not wanting me to use revit. I did it anyways. I prefered to be job ready than to receive top marks and thank God I did. With those skills I prioritised, it landed me a great job at a large firm where they value mentorship and work place culture. I enjoy the projects I do. Because I am more technical than design savvy, work place is a lot better for me than uni.
Sometimes you just need to push through the crap to reach the gold at the end.
I eventually came to realise that university teaches you how to learn. Your Learning begins after uni.
This is so inspiring! And in so many ways your story resonates with mine. I studied architecture, did my Masters and started working for a major corporate company for 5 years and I could feel my passion for architectural design gradually decline, mostly because of toxic work environments, internal politics, lack of ACTUAL design work that we were vigorously taught in architecture school. I've moved to another country and I'm struggling so hard to find work in architecture here because a lot of what they're expecting in me as a potential employee is not what I built up over the years. I feel like I wasted all those 5 years. I'm currently still unemployed and I'm extremely passionate about my art and I'm thinking of moving forward with it as a business and trying to figure out how to go about starting it. Coming across your channel and your story was just the push I needed to get moving. At the moment I'm still sending out applications for architecture jobs (although I feel like I've pretty much hit a wall), while trying to push my business idea forward. Let's see where this goes....maybe 5 years from now I'll come back to this video, look at this comment and smile at my humble beginnings or smirk at my naivety (depending on which way life goes). Nonetheless, thank you for your story, mate! Also, sorry for this long rant. It's just that your story hits too close to home.....
I saw this video pop up on my newsfeed yesterday and was afraid to click, but now I am glad I did. Like many other people commenting I studied architecture and worked in the field for a bit. Life has taken me in a very weird journey and I am currently finishing a doctorate in folklore with a focus on vernacular architecture... doing art on the side, feeling both fulfilled and unfulfilled. Transitioning to the academic world of research and writing has been rewarding but tough, it has made me appreciate and value how time would fly when I am painting or drawing, whether painting a watercolor or drawing a floor plan.
Josh, I adore that you have made a career out of drawing (it also explains your beautiful minimalist aesthetic in both your drawings and workspace). Many of my friends from architecture are some of the best artists I know or continue to do creative things on the side. Anyways, keep inspiring people!
For those who might feel insecure about studying architecture here are my recommendations:
Architecture school provides you the tools to innovate, problem solve, and think on your feet. Regardless of whether you stay in the field or switch to something similar (or very different) in the future, these wonderful tools stay with you forever. On the flip side, find ways to normalize sleeping, rest, and good dietary habits. Unfortunately, many of the bad habits formed in school stay with you later on in life as well, with severe consequences to your physical and mental health. Trust me, one can produce as much in three hours of an alert and rested brain as one does during an all nighter, especially if you are in the creative (design) phase of a project.
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I accidentally click your video I just browsing some kind of business stuff for artist and I found the first video of you was the title "there's no money on art" somethin like that... And I'm touched of what you've been saying on it, Then I found this next to your video. I'm a 1st year Bs Architecture student in the philipines. I just started planning to stop my journey on it for about couple weeks, because I can't find my self holding this profession anymore. But it is also hard to tell to my relatives and my parents specially to my sister who provides almost all of my stuff for architecture because it's so expensive. And I don't want to waste what they gave to me. I don't have anyone to talk about it. But you man. You open my self to reality. You're my voice. Sorry for my English. But I'm so much related in you.
That wave of relief when you finally let go of the thing that has been causing you misery , so good
Didn't switch careers, but I did that with my last job. Sent my resignation email in the morning, and walked right into work. I very much enjoyed the look on their faces, esp knowing they would have a hard time replacing me as they've already had a hard time hiring more people with my position. And I didn't care because I genuinely think management weren't good people.
This is beautiful. I haven't felt super clear about my direction until recently & stories like yours remind me that this journey is about more than having all the answers and following a straight path.
I'm a year late, but... This video hits hard. I am in an architecture firm now, and man... School did NOT prepare me for anything. They taught us how to design, but none of us are even allowed to touch design fresh out of school. We start with drafting and none of were taught how a building goes together, with any real depth.
Couldn't relate more !! there is a huge grey area between architecture school and real life practice! loved it!
I recently graduated from Architecture but right now I'm trying my luck in UA-cam. I wish this decision will worth it as I feel like I just wasted 10 years of my life finishing 2 college courses.
My best friend is an architect and woo wee everything you so is so true. But, she really loves the Industry and just stuck at a crappy firm. You have to teach yourself so many other skills to move up, hard ass work so the passion for architecture is a must to make all the struggles worthwhile.
YT just did its magic and showed me your video in the home page.
I can't relate more with your experience.
I've graduated in architecture 2 years ago, jumped to one place of work to another, finding always something wrong. Every place is staring to ask perfect use of Revit, and well, no course of Revit in University.. I'm about to try the final exam (to really work as an architect and sign your project, here in Italy, you need an extra exam.. but with 2 years of experiences is crazy to think that someone can put a sign on something because the work is so more different from the things that you learn at the university!) and I'm also thinking to start a private course of Revit, because everyone want this program as a basic request in the cv... I'm so angry, defeated, hopeless and depressed.
I've spent years, money, energy, sleepless night for this dream that I've had since I was 13, that I can't let it go... because I LOVE this work, but I can't feel it the way I want...
In the last month, with the second wave of the virus, I'm really starting to questioning everything, this video kinda came up in the middle of a crisis and it will sure add something to my thought.
So, well, just passing by, complain, and go 😅 I just needed to share this emotion with the internet.
BTW I love your work! I will start to follow you for sure! Since art and artists are one of the few good things in my life, this year!
So thank you, really.. and stay safe!
The only thing i learnt in architecture school is how to learn things in architectural field, and that is by doing a lot of bull work with bat shit crazy routine .
I am currently in my undergrad for architecture. I graduate I’m May. I’m taking a gap year once I graduate to decide on if I want to go into the masters program or use my degree to pursue another creative path as I have ties to traditions fine arts, graphic design, glass arts and other mediums. But this video brings up a lot of the conversations that I’m having with my professors and advisors at the moment about the things that don’t translate over from studying architecture to actually working in architecture. It’s kind of amazing to think that career feels so concrete and linear as a path and then having to explain to family and others that it’s actually not at all. Anywho I’m starting to ramble but thank you for sharing your story; very relatable and necessary.
Hi, thank you for that video, I totally agree with everything.
As an ex-architect, who decided to leave it for art I have the exact same feeling about it. I quit architecture because it was so uncreative that I had this awful feeling, that I'm wasting my life. It felt like I was a lawyer, just as you've mentioned. I really love to design, but architecture in real life isn't about design most of the time... and even when you have ability to design something it's all about money.
I quit for beeing illustrator and concept artist and now I am so happy when I can use my architecture knowledge in environment design
I only just came to finishing this video, and I want to at thank you, ergojosh, for making it. I'm currently one semester in being an Indistrial Design student at college (I didn't want to go into architecture because I took an architectural drawing class in high school and thought it was too dense and boring). I pretty much precluded pursuing art as a career because, although I had the hobby for years, I didn't receive much formal instruction, and my parents instilled the "starving artist" stereotype on me. I really like studio thus far, but I'm kind of worried if the opportunity cost of not pursuing the arts directly. It feels really good to hear from you about this because most of my classmates are technically minded. I was really nervous about watching this because I thought it would tell me "You wasted your time, now go on the stark course correction and 'follow your dreams'," but it was not that at all. The recommendation to essentially make your current situation close to what you want is optimistic to me, and I think I will pursue it. Thank you.
Brother, I entirely understand you. I have the same fillings with my current professional position (I’m a lawyer with 15 years of experience). I have decentbackground, reached a high position in the office... But, I went through this way. And now looking for a new way
Your decision led you to your dreams - it is essential!
Hello, i really liked this video. I am a landscape-architect in Stockholm and many of the things you talked about, like designing i Revit as a constraint for creative design really resonated with me. But mostly what you said made me realize how much i love my job. Like love love, butterflies love. Not every day but more days than not. My job gives me the chance to form parks, streets etc and set the stage where people live their life.
That said it is so great that you found the right job for you, i really enjoy your content and has learned lots about drawing in procreate from your videos. Thank you
I really appreciate you sharing your experiences. As a college student with one semester left, there's a lot of uncertainty for me regarding my future, my passions, and what I really want out of my job and my life. A dichotomy I often see surrounding this topic is between "gaining experience" and "wasting your time." I thought I wasted so many years of my life wanting to be an engineer; it was all I wanted to be until I hit my second semester of engineering college. Looking back with everything I've experienced now, I don't think I would change how things have played out til this point because they have brought me to where I am today. I also gained a lot from being an engineering major: I did not like that. Knowing what you do and do not enjoy (and how that evolves over your lifetime) only really comes from experiencing all those things.
I'll be graduating in May with a design degree, but even then, I'm not sure if that's the field I'll ultimately settle into. All I know now is that change is okay; it's normal, and we never truly have to start from square one again.
Is this a sign?! I'm on my last year and currently working on my undergraduate thesis. I just want to get my Architecture degree and then switch to a different career.
Definitely
Same, but 1 year before graduate and I'm so deeply disappointed in the industry. I love architecture a lot and I'm giving it time, since I want to get a degree anyway. But the majority of people working in it rn and HOW they are working is... so disappointing. I wanna do architecture AND have a life. Not live for architecture or do architecture for a living... I'm against overworking, pro planning so nobody rushes the last night, against hierarchy keeping the system and pro freedom... Im actually thinking about turning it to an easier career, like focus on small architecture forms of interior design...
But yeah, just thoughts.
You aren't alone! And finding this video showed me I'm not alone either.
What are you doing currently?
I'm studying architecture too right now, but I have decided that I'll take all the important skills from this uni and apply them to whatever job I cam find in the art industry, which is the one I'm actually interested in. These kinds of videos have been super helpful with my decision making!!
I would love to see you tackle some figure drawings, or drawings on large pads of newsprint. I find that the smaller space on a tablet lends to too much control and not enough room to really get those gestures in there, and being able to use your full arm as opposed to just your wrist makes such a difference in the final look. I don't know if you're even into traditional art or have tried it before (some people haven't but do great in digital!), but I'd love to see a Josh piece in some vine charcoal on newsprint!
this resonates with me so much ive been in the architecture field for almost 7yrs and im currently transitioning to the art field
Thanks for what I found to be really good advice! I'm not going into architecture, I'm in the mechanical engineering program. I'm really into the designing and hands on parts and was thinking of going into a big company like Boeing, maybe space-x, or even NASA, but what you said made me realize that I would probably never do what I want to do in those companies. I would probably be stuck doing something very monotonous. With that info I guess I rethink the whole big company thing and go into a smaller one or maybe even travel, but who knows what future me will pull off. Thanks again for the great advice!!
I really liked your video and I can relate also. I've been working in architecture for the past 8 years, and I still feel disconnected from the field. I thought it was a good compromise instead of going in fashion design (more stable job) but I've never felt like I belong. I'm now slowly starting to learn fashion (but still working in architecture) just to see where it goes. Great video!
I totally get you. I had a similar experience. Dreamed about studying architecture since high school. Ended up in a civil engineering course. Really missed the creative part of studies so I quit. Finally got to Architecture University last year. But then, I've learned that I don't want to stuck in this industry. And now studying graphic design and have motivation and fulfilment out of it. Feels great!
I just want to thank you josh for this video as I am going through the same exact situation right now studying in my 6th year of Architecture and I’m exhausted and felt forced into something I didn’t understand or completely want.
The way you draw anatomy looks like architecture ngl
I just graduated architecture back in August 2020. I have already begun to transition to art industry specifically cg environment art. This video was super helpful. I'm more confident in this decision I've made. It will be a tough road ahead of me. But I'm actually enjoying life now. Thank you for sharing your story :)
We have a very similar journey! I went to school for and worked in the design industry (focused on sustainable interior design and historic preservation) and eventually felt like I was drowning in things that meant nothing to me. I especially hated that 90% of my life was about paperwork, client hand-holding and managing the subcontractors, rather than actual creative work. Some people flourish in that position, and while I was amazing at my job, I was miserable. I had to give up that paycheck in exchange for pursuing happiness. That was not easy! I have been a full-time artist since 2015 and I know this was 100% the right move for me. It's a constant hustle to pay the bills, but at least I'm happy. Thank you for sharing your journey :)
very topical video for me since tommorow I'm programmed to go finish the quitting architecture college procedure.
@ergojosh wow, that's really good news to take a leap to do what you want to do.
I’m in my 3rd year now in Architecture school and there’s still a lot to learn. What drives my “passion” and kept me going is because of the design processes, but hearing a lot from architects who experienced the real job now makes me scared, because thinking about it that it is all the technical stuff feel draining. I also don’t wanna stop, since I feel like I have to make a living from it and knowing my country is low in its economy and its hard to make a living also what drives me, which is toxic cause it felt like you just live to survive.
So
I’m really proud of you Josh! that was just a brave thing to do!!
I'm not from USA, but I am studying architecture at the present and actually I listened this while I was working on a project for college, and I have to say thank u, really inspire video, the career is beautiful but intense so I mostly understand what you said, I just remembered something that a teacher said to my class on first year and was that study architecture can ended up like you or not, but will help you to know more about yourself, I keep learning, thank u again. (sorry for my english)
Architecture is what I truly wanted to get into when I was in college. Georgia Tech was my first application, needless to say I didnt have the grades for it. I got into Ball State just to be told by my counselor that I wouldn't have the grades to do it. That was devastating to me at the time because I had spent about 5-6 years prior to that working in AutoCAD, Architectural Desktop, and Revit...oh the memories of hitting render and then going to bed.
Thanks for the talk Josh was a great listen.
this was really interesting for me as a person planning to major in architecture in school but I have a bit love for art
Hello! I'm in 12th grade in high school and since 11th grade I have been in a CTE program And I take Architecture and design! It's a college class you take in your high school career. We learned How to use revit and Autocad and we learned everything you said from design buildings, making buildings for "clients" and such and my teacher. I only joined cause I loved art but architecture dosent really give me the opportunity to draw what I want. So i was thinking that maybe architecture isnt for me. I think it's a good program because you get to experience what it's like in the feild for free and basically take the class for free and if you dont like it you can go to college for somthing else which imma do. I feel the same as you so this video REALLY helped. Thanks !!!
I'm taking a CTE class too but for 2 years! It's for Visual Communication (Graphic Design basically) and I'm in my first year! It's so weird having to think about the design process. I get to actually have clients in 2nd year(my senior year) which will be fun for sure.
@@Gab_Dash126 Yeah I took it for 2 years too! But it's so cool that you get to have actual clients 🤣 I mean I guess it makes sense. I dont think anyone wants a kid making a building for them with only 2 years of experience. I hope the next 2 years go well for you!
Same
Ergo, thank you for this video and telling your experience. I feel I'm in the same position: studied many years architecture, moved to another country to work in a better environment (London), and making my living in this field, but... it's not satisfying, as you said you feel like you are never enough, you don't know enough. And I really do want to have the courage and swith to illustration. I hope one day I'll have the courage to make that walk.
I'm having the same problems right now with Architecture : / It's a good course don't get me wrong but I have a feeling that it's not for me and I really want to continue my own artistic dreams, Its just hard to give architecture up since I live in a country where people only give opportunities to people who studied for a white-collared job (Doctors, Lawyers, etc.). Thank you senpai for giving your insights about this topic
very inspirational !! i wish you all the best !!!
Love hearing your story! I have a similar story, and enjoy talking to people about there hobbies. I'm an Engineer that works on complex networks including 5G and data centres fibre option networks. However, love and have worked in animation, concept design and software deveopment end. Its a big step to take, walking away from a job that you invested time and money on pursuing. Best of luck to you, I love that your following you passion.
That moment you are listening ErgoJosh talking about architecture, fixing 3D projects in Rhino, rendering, and trying to learn how to turn heads following Loomis methodology at the same moment (literally lost) !!! I am super glad to hear about your previous experience with architecture and sorry about how it turned out (but mostly glad because we wouldn't have your channel if you become a cool architect). I studied architecture and, I had a professor who used to say that architecture is only a door that leads to other ways =D
That's pretty interesting, i am still at the collage phase so i just need to push through but after that its gonna be an interesting to choose things , i feel that i would love to do some sort of art and i will try to go that way
Really interesting video again
TW: depression, suicidal thoughts.
Hey Josh! This video means a lot to me, I currently study Architecture but I am struggling a lot.
My mental health reached my all time low this year because of my Uni. It was very bad for the past 3 years that I've been studying, my anxiety was (and is) severe but this year, because of the lockdown, I was so, so depressed. I basicly wanted to die. I worked all day everyday to pass all my subjects but in spite of that, I was failing every single one. My proffesors left me on my own, didn't respond to emails on time and I haven't even had a single Zoom lecture. That's why I took a year off back in June.
It was refreshing after that to hear someone else's not-so-positive look onto Architecture. I was left with no friends in the Uni because of my struggle and all I saw was a bunch of passionate people who never fail and I was there alone, all miserable, barely passing my exams. Ironically, you gave me hope that when I come back there next year, there is still something I can look forward to. I can make new friends and I can have a fresh start. I loved working on my designs and getting feedback from proffesors and other students. I only hope I won't fall into despair when I come back there, but I'm so much stronger now with my therapy.
I am so happy for you to have found a job to make you finally happy! Hope you have a great day :D
Hey Im glad you are getting better. If its any help I will say that it does get better. I have never known any frustration and despair like I have in school. Theres no fear like failing an exam or missing a bus etc in the working world unless you are very poor imo. School was very tough for me as well so I hope you can be encouraged to know that others struggle too. I remember failing calc twice in a row only to pass with a D haha. No late night as an adult compares to those late nights.
Thank you for sharing this story. If I may share my own, I'm 29 here, and working through a similar process of self-discovery from a completely different industry. I spent years in college convinced that I was going to become some kind of teacher, whether an English Lit. teacher in the US. or an English language teacher working abroad somewhere. 6-8 years of college and more student loan debt than I care to admit later, I finally faced the truth during the last couple of semesters of acquiring a Masters that, for everything I loved about being involved in education (particularly the people I was getting to spend time with), I just really did not enjoy classroom teaching (much less all of the other frustrating administrative work that comes along with teaching) enough to ever actually find true success in education as a job. I was not actually doing too bad at things, (gonna shamelessly brag and say that I somehow completed that Masters program with a 4.0, so I must have been doing something right), but at some point it just did not feel like I was actually going to find a viable future for myself in this area. Moreover, I realized that stubbornness and sunk-cost fallacies were causing me to make myself miserable from trying to force myself into becoming something that I was convinced I SHOULD become.
During that existential breakdown, a couple of people I knew in education left teaching to start working on developing education software, and they asked me if I would be interested in any opportunities. I didn't have nearly enough of a tech background at the time to take them up on those offers, but it did open my eyes to the fact that I did not have to keep railroading myself into something that wasn't turning out to be a great fit for me. So I stepped back. I graduated, worked retail for a year to save up some money while I completely rethought my life, and saved up enough to take care of myself while I take a few months off this spring to actually try learning some of the art and tech skills I wish I had made time to learn in college. It's too early to say exactly where all of this is going to wind up taking me, but I'm at least enjoying the chance to actually learn some things that I had never really given myself enough credit to try learning before.
This is so encouraging and helpful. Thank you for sharing!
you know I was really having a difficult time in my first year in architecture right now and kept thinking that I made a wrong decision. and because of a certain virus, architecture doesn't have that hands-on feel to it, I was really doubting my self right now but then this suddenly showed up in my youtube feed, and felt relieved knowing that I'm not alone. I think might give it another semester to work on my studies and then I'll decide if I should stay or not. liked the video a lot and kinda lift my spirits up abit
Very emotional and inspiring
I needed to hear this. Thank you.
I am also trying to pursue art/animation, graphic design. I was in the military for 6 years as a mechanic and went to school for that then when i went back to school again to try and advance and get a better degree in automotive because I thought it was what I should do and my fiancé at the time was pushing me to go finish school. But I realized when i started there that i just really wasn’t passionate about it anymore, especially as i was getting older. I love cars, i enjoy working on them, but more on my own stuff as a hobby. I just realized i wasnt as excited about it anymore and didn’t really want to work on other peoples vehicles at a dealership anymore just making ok money and not being that happy. Anyways very inspirational video and i hope i can get to the same place and be able to work for myself and be able to commission work for people. Keep up the great videos Josh you are a very talented artist 👍🏻👍🏻
This is all so relatable... I loved my product design degree and I find that the industry has not brought out that same passion from me. I really want to make the change into an art career
You made a lot of interesting points. Thanks for sharing your story.
Whenever I watch one of your videos I truly do feel like I can do something involving art. It will take years but you give me the motivation to keep going in my art journey. Thanks josh ❤️
Gosh this is so relatable! Unlike your experience, I worked for smaller firms for 6 years (10-20 people). But it was still draining. I live in the Philippines, and the added stress of getting shoddy worksmanship can suck the life out of you. And you can't get mad at the workers because you know they don't get paid enough to care.
The pandemic has been a wake up call, and now I'm trying to transition into something more art-related. Thank you for the inspiration!!! 🥰🥰🥰
I can most definitely relate. For me, drawing has been a hobby for the most part, I studied pharmaceutical chemistry and I have a bachelors degree on that, but the industry in my country has ridiculous high standards and terribly low salaries. I understand about the high standards, it's a delicate and demanding industry, but the paychecks are not worth it. I ended up leaving my job and since I am bilingual I managed to get a job at a call center in which I have a better salary. Not mentioning that I get much better treatment from my fellow employers and managers than my previous job, I don't regret my decision at all.
But of course, I am not going to stay forever at a call center. I am looking for other options and digital illustration is something that I am contemplating. Unfortunately, I'm still in the middle of the mess, not quite out of it yet...
This was very insightful, thank you so much! I'm on my way to my 3rd yr in architecture school and although I do like architecture, it's such a soul-depleting course. I took this route because it was a respectable profession (esp to asian parents) however, im going to branch out in a creative field in which i can transfer my skills to. I'm so relieved to see that im not the only one experiencing this. I'll come back to this comment again after 3 years 😂🤍
As an Architecture college dropout, i can relate to a big chunk of your story, here.. ;)
i knew this was a really good channel.. hehe.
You’re a good storyteller.. and by the likes of it.. your sketching seems pretty pretty solid. :)
No wonder you’ve got over 650k subs, in a channel so specific as this.
For a quick short selfish moment.. i wish it wasn’ t so big, cos it would make it easier to try and have a 1 to 1 talk, with you.
i’ll still try though.. :P
Thank you for sharing your story, and thank you for the visual/background ‘filler’ which was pretty cool to watch.
cheers from Portugal