Article with some additional thoughts on the present limited motherboard situation (see the introduction): www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3086-intel-i5-8400-cpu-review-2666mhz-vs-3200mhz-gaming 8700K review: ua-cam.com/video/oCSkyNHXIAE/v-deo.html
Good day sir im a big fan(not the cooling type) you make the best videos i have ever watched i watched all of your vids atleast two times thanks for the vids man. Im from the philippines im a pc enthusiast and gamer my pc only pc just broke because of old age it was at least 4 to 5 years old when i got it on 2011 it was a gift from my mother i have used it for 3 years but sadly it broke the specs are amd athlon 64 le-1600 Motherboard: GF7025-M2 1gb ddr2 ram for its storage a 160gb Hitachi hdd unfortunately our current financial situation i cant buy a decent pc im hoping you will make a give away contest so i can at least have a chance to win a decent upgrade Show less REPLY
LaruKun from the recent benches, faster but not way faster. And at the price, you can't argue would someone not wanting to get a way more expensive chip for the same enough performance
@Larukun You are right the first gen i5 750 (built on 45nm) is a 4 cores CPU ... but !! They also released a bunch of 32nm Core i5 called Core i5 6xx (also Core i3 5xx) which are 2c/4t. And those were released much later compared to the i5 750.
Great review and good to see the i5 8400 and most likely all of the other non K CPU's tested on how they will most likely be installed in OEM and most systems once the lower tier boards get released. My point being that if you can not raise the memory speed beyond certain points on the mid tier chipset boards then this review shows what to expect from these non K CPU's when installed on mid tier boards and not how they perform on the top end boards. With that said this makes the unlocked Ryzen 5 6/12 CPU's look a lot more appealing because when they are overclocked and high speed tightly timed memory used they are able to perform very well when up against something like the 8400 i5. Thank You
Well done Steve. Thanks for including the R5 1600/1600X chips in the test. I suspect AMD's Node shrink for Ryzen plus will erase most if not all of the deficit between the R5 1600X and the 8700k. That should take place in a few month. After that we can or should expect Intel to respond by releasing 10nm Cannon Lake in the Fall of 2018 to sprint ahead. Not to be out done AMD will answer back with Ryzen Instruction Set renovations plus architecture tweaks to create Ryzen 2 in the first quarter of 2019 to once again close the gap. If Intel's woes with 10nm continue I would not be surprised to see AMD pull ahead for a period of time. Barring a surprising boost in performance with the Ryzen 2 upgrade I don't see Ryzen leap frogging Intel in Gaming performance for any length of time until 7nm arrives in early 2021 but AMD will keep it close. Data Center/ Enterprise and Cloud arenas are a different matter. But in Gaming it still should be quite the battle. So pull out a bowl of popcorn, your favorite brew and your Easy Chair because watching this dogfight ought to be a real treat !
In Brazil, they're charging about 50 U$D extra for the 8400 over the 7400. Granted, it's common practice to jack up the price so that they can lower it during Black Friday, but at the very least, you can find it in stock.
Steve, something very important you should know as a Civ 5 and 6 vet (6 seems to run on a very similar engine), Using both a 6700k and 2600k, (the two chips I had available atm), I found it comes really down to clock speed, not ipc (Can't account for ryzen atm as my ryzen system is down). Both chips at 4ghz locked, performed within margin of error of each other. 1 core statistics don't matter these days, 2 cores/threads, turns take 29~ seconds, 2 cores/4 threads they take 18~, and any higher config they sat at 16~. Overclocking both to 4.7, they hit the same 15.5~ you got on the 7600k. I think with your much larger cpu variation, it would be worth a video if you need a filler.
Thanks a lot for the numbers Steve, I cant wait for the other motherboards to become available. As an aside, just wanted to say I really respect your testing methodology. Eliminating variables and discarding inconsequential old data is much more "scientific" than pretty much any other channel I regularly watch. Take it easy.
Great depth of detail as always, but would have been nice for a simple few comparisons with the same game tests with a lower GPU, like a 1060 or 1070 to see how much the hugely powerful GPU you are using might reduce the differences. EDIT: ua-cam.com/video/89qzie3PPCg/v-deo.html EG: ua-cam.com/video/89qzie3PPCg/v-deo.html
you make the best reviews, if somebody is out looking for hardware, you are their only choice in getting the right information , you are correct , precise and with lots lots of usefull info, ! thanks GN
James Mastroianni intel cores cost more because they need Z boards and expensive cooling, This means that if zen+ gets a good ipc boost from refinements (not better arcetecture just fixing problems ryzen 1 had) and w good clock boost they will go up against coffee lake as well aa they did against skylake and zen2 may be good enough to beat ice lake. Most of us early addopters of ryzen see 0 point of going back to intel because we can upgrade if the uphrade is worth it vs needing a new motherboard to even consider intel upgrades.
Mostly just £190 - £200 on Novatech, Ebuyer etc. in the uk for the 8400, but some sellers are trying to price gouge on amazon.co.uk shooting for £250 - £270
As a gamer thinking about those platform costs in January...... ~$60 H310 mobo, 8~16gb of DDR4 and the i5 8400 looks like a damn good deal for getting into 1440p/1080p-144hz gaming on a semi-budget (with something like a 1070 when the prices eventually come down some with the 1070ti coming out)
As always. Great work, and thank you for in depth analysis and transparent way you document your methodology. If I could put forward some constructive criticism can I suggest you either dont do the production benchmarks and keep to your "Gamers" focus. Or expand the non gaming benchmarks to include things other than blender cpu, and cinebench runs. There are significant other use cases which I suspect a large number of your audience would be interested in. Virtual machine benchmarks, Code compile, Database benchmarks spring to mind. I know in the past you have said you dont have skills in those areas. this is fine, but then stick to gaming benchmarks :-)
anyone say "this cpu is better" please. you are probably not running a 1080ti. if an i7 2700k can still hold its own, then any modern cpu will last a long ass time.
I would like to see a better focus on the r5 1600, not the r5 1600X(since the latter isn't such good value. The former overclocks well and does not require a cooler). Good video either way.
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As a gamer that purchased a 1600x a few months ago for value and future proofing, i feel a bit bummed that the 8400 wasn't in my life sooner. Personally I mostly game, so an 8400 would've been better for my use case. Oh well, a 1600x beats and i5 3330 any day, so I can find solace in that.
Jacky Zhang = a lost man searching for a purpose. Keep your head up mane. CPU's come and go many times in one's life. You'll get your shit together, find that right CPU that provides you with years of joy, and be truly happy one day. Trust me Jacky, you can do this
dont get bummed out about that, thats just how the tech hardware works... even if you buy 8400, then there would be a better value option if you wait longer and so on...
Yeah. 1600x is a bummer. I mean. I really and honestly haven't felt the need to upgrade from 2600K until Ryzen 1700 came. 8C/16T was the only "I'm feeling the speed difference really significantly" option. 1600 wouldn't be that. And now, no need to upgrade for years to come. If the get the die shrink and manage something in the line of 4.5+ GHz stable I will upgrade. And that is ONLY because I will be able to just switch the CPU. Same reason why I would not have stick to the 2600K but the always changing sockets and motherboards prevented me going to something like 6700K (which is exactly the tick-tock lifespan that AM4 promisses)
Thanks GN for bringing us the Intel i5-8400 Facts. Intel i5-8400 CPU is a great CPU for budget gamers but it doesn't have enough performance to get the max out of a Pascal 1080/1080ti. FPS is King, low FPS is a deal breaker, bottlenecking a Pascal 1080/1080ti is also a deal breaker, CPU heat is not as critical as GPU heat which throttles down the FPS when the going gets tough. Ashes is worthless as a game, we don't see gamers playing it so as a gaming benchmark it's a very low priority, turn completion times are interesting but not a deal breaker. Gamers keep their CPUs for a longer time than their GPUs and when they need more speed they OC them advantage Intel, running a i7 8700K will get the most out of a high performance GPU now and later you can OC it to get the most from a high end Volta.
Mike Clarke. There are still people on 2600k. Proof you don't need to change your CPU every 2 years. Whoever does that like to spend money but does not get "value". Buying a $300 CPU and replacing it in 2 years time is not "good value" nor a good idea.
Andrei Pelle I agree, I'm still running my 4th gen i5 but looking to upgrade soon as hexacores and multithreading CPU are becoming much more affordable.
FYI for people in the USA. Days ago the R5 1600x was $199. In combination with a much cheaper B350, it is the cheaper option atm. That being said, you will want to pair it with better memory, which does cost more, but is probably still worth it if you can find a deal. Steve is absolutely correct. We are for the first time in a long time fortunate enough to be able to have real choices, and thanks to AMD for forcing Intel to move past the four core limbo Hell we've been stuck in for too long.
After watching this, my opinion on it still hasn't changed, the R5's just an overall better buy. But, it's nice to see Intel putting 6 cores into the mainstream too.
SlavjanA I got 1600 and it's hard for me to go past 120 fps in ghostrecon, shadow of war and fortnite no matter how low I go in settings(got a 1080ti). BUT no stutters, I can game when I watch twitch, download files and talk to mom on skype, for example. I disabled SMT, changed from 3.7ghz to 3.8ghz(voltage unchanged) and now I can get 140+ fps in these games going from Very High preset to lowering a few settings like shadow, AA, draw distance. I game at 1440p 144hz and I'm aiming 100fps in AAA games and 140+ competitive. You might say 1600 and 1080ti is bottleneck. I want to get ryzen 7 later for streaming games, but In conclusion, I got an i5 coffelake by disabling SMT. Would like to hear your opinion on this, internet pal.
SlavjanA I notice the difference between 120 and 144, but it's so small, I'd rather have SMT than that. Ram is 16gb at 3000 and asus x370 pro may I add.
Now I eagerly await Zen 2 Though a side-note, Intel B and H-series boards are still usually about $10 more expensive than AM4 B350. That almost gets you to a 1600. The 8400 is still a very good gaming CPU, but I think considering that when you can use the extra performance the extra threads of the 1600 give you, you NEED that performance. When the 8400 performs better, there's little in it as you're already well above 75 FPS. We'll see though, with claims like that and how overkill either of those CPUs really are for most 60 hz displays, only time will tell. Great buys all around this year.
"Waiting" as in "Excited to see". Just like i was "waiting" for Coffee Lake. It was exciting to see. Do you guys understand? It's just the next big release. I wanna see how it pans out. I'm not really waiting to buy anything because I don't need to...
I still like the R5 1600 (X) as the best all round performer for the price on the desktop at the moment. I think that with the i5 now being 6 core, the i5 8600K is going to make the i5's once again relevant in the gaming space but it will be at the cost of the i7's and not any AMD chip as the 7700K maintained Intels gaming CPU preference for people focused on gaming. Can't wait until the pinnacle ridge refresh as that is about the time I'll be upgrading the second system in the house to another 6/12 CPU, I already did the first with a 1600 on B350 and was very happy with the results. Pinnacle ridge R5 2600 or i7 8700K, hard to say at this point in time but if pricing dictates it'll probably be Pinnacle Ridge. The third and final system will be about when the Zen 2 architecture is released, still can't decide between an 8/16 on the desktop or a Threadripper. Depending on how ice lake performs, it'll be an interesting time to decide on the workstation configuration, on which I want lots of cores rather than high frequency. Once again price will dictate, but it''ll be the system with little to no compromise and if zen 2 comes in 12 core on the desktop (a distinct possibility given the EPYC 48 core plan for zen 2), that will make the decision for me (unless I decide I want lots of PCIe lanes)
I'm a little mad that Intel has refreshed the same damn chip 3 fucking times now. 6700k,7700k,8700k are all the same core. even the i3s are just Low clocked 7700k now.
Who cares they recycle? I see it as optimisation, but anyway. Be mad on AMD for lagging behind in games for the last 10 years. They should be bashed, not Intel.
As we approach the silicon limit, it becomes harder to shrink the transistor size. Its likely we will see total architecture changes due to smaller transistor sizes every 5-10 years now. The only thing that can be improved on each year easily is small tweeks and optimizations
Except the 6700k and 7700k were 4c/8t and the 8700k is 6c/12t. So...not really the same. You don't seem to understand the difficulty in shrinking the die size as often as intel has in the last decade.
So, you keep comparing the 1500x to the 8400 pricing wise. In Australia, the 8400 is priced either the same as or more than a 1600. Stock is also non-existent for any of the 6-cores from intel.
That may be true for your region, but from Gamers Nexus' perspective, being American along with a significant portion of their viewers, the comparison is accurate. Both the i5-8400 and the R5-1500X retail for $189.99. Steve can't possibly base his price comparisons on fluctuating exchange rates and stock availability in markets outside of his own. If your situation differs from that of the core audience, then adjust your decisions accordingly.
Phillip Conley when you add the cost of a Z370, high speed ram and a 1080ti to realize the kind of performance difference we see in those benchmarks the price advantage of an R5 1600+B350 become insignificant.
Alberto Martinez except there's no point to adding the price of the motherboard. He didn't for the ryzen. A few cheaper boards will come there's no point in a z370 for a non K cpu. If you want to compare cpu+ board then you'll have to do it on both sides and that means a comparable ryzen to the Z370 lineup
Josh Rowell then why bother testing the 8400 now if you are not going to pair it with a z370, the only available option until January or so? You can pair ryzen 5 with X370 if you need the features but you don't need any of those features to get the gaming performance reflected in this review.
Alberto Martinez because this is a tech channel that is ment to provide information. If they don't review it now then they get left in the dust behind everyone else and regardless of the motherboard options what GN finds and posts is what to be expected of the product
Exactly why I've been preaching the 1600 + B350 + stock cooler or for the K Intel version the 1700 + B350 + stock cooler (if not only gaming) as an entry. At the moment the 4 Core Ryzens don't make sense next to i5-8400 and the i5-8400 doesn't make sense without the cheaper boards. People buying in under the 1600 mark are in a "tough" position (albeit a ton better than a year ago :P )
Same. I'm tired of waiting so I'm getting r5 1600 as soon as possible. Though I still have concerns. Maybe it would be actually better to wait for the last time? I5 8400 looks really strong
Lighter ST Well. Not yet. :) First the boards need to come. And these days. Taking in account the price of Ryzen 1700, together with a stock cooler and a b350. You are really not that far from the non K i5 price. Especially seeing that Ryzen is here for more than half a year already. You can even get a used 1700 and spare yourself further 50 bucks. Anyway. Whatever someone chooses. Next year we have to see what the AMD response will be. (coming February).
In the UK the i5 8600k is £278 at most retailers which is ridiculous as a main stream product that has a msrp of $257 so in the uk it should really be lowered but I realise that it’s probably because of stock shortages but the market is tough at the moment.
Zeke Levin yeah for gamers its a pretty sweet deal. But, No H-type cheap mobos are available and this chip is the same price as R5 1600 in my country. (India)
T B yeah. It's not extraordinary, not horrible, nowhere else on the spectrum. It's just a nice thing. 6 cores for under $200 with the IPC expected of Intel processors. No thermal problems, and hopefully B360 motherboards will be cheapish. It's just nice.
There is one important thing missing in those benchmarks. What will have higher noise level using same cooler i5 8400 or r5 1600? Could you check it, or at least write here what are your impressions without measuring it (also could tell what are fan rpm on idle)? I think soldered IHS will make ryzen quieter chips and for me it would be very important factor.
Here is my thoughts on this, The 8400 is a beast of a core and unless the 1600 or 1600x drop into the 150ish range then the 8400 is going to be the best buy once the non Z boards come out in the mid range segment as right now the cheaper boards offset the cost of ryzens need for better ram. But until then there are 3 things keeping kaby lake or ryzen as the better cores, First you cant get coffee lake right now it is sold out EVERYWHERE, Second CL wont be avalable in large numbers till late december to early january by all reports and if it only trickles in then high demand and low supply will likely spike the prices, And third CL cpus do not come with coolers worth a damn and that means at a minimum you need a cheap aftermarket cooler but to really unlock the full potential of the core and mce you need something like a hypercool 212 or even an aio depending on the sku or even core to keep these cores stable and cool, Which can really effect the value of these cores. And as a final thought intel not having these cores in bulk are going to take a HUGE loss over black friday, Cyber monday and the holidays, Very few people are going to pass up good deals on the cores avalable now for something they cant get for months, And if you need a pc now again not many people who need it for their jobs are going to wait.
Well the 1600 has already been having on and off sales at around $160 mark, which is cheaper than the 8400's msrp, and as we see from the benchmarks, it's about 2-4 fps slower than the 8400, which is negligible. And not everyone only game so the extra threads from the 1600 also help appeal to people who do content creation and virtualization
Vegetables are good for you You will get no disagreements from me, I was speaking in terms of gaming only, Also i had no idea the 1600s had got that low last i looked they were in athe $180 range.
The 1600 is regularly on sale now for around $170 in the US and is clearly at a better price to performance point than the 8400, with a clear upgrade path that the Intel CPU's just do not have.
Champ honestly going kaby lake I5+1070 or 1070ti/ R5 1600+1080 will give you a FAR better fps boost, game experince and life span then the 8400+1600 will UNLESS you need the cores.
By first quarter next year, cheaper Intel boards will be readily available. But if you wait for another month Ryzen on 12nm, supposedly, will be in production. I say wait for that before deciding on on an Intel.
It's an AVX thing. If you're not running AVX tasks, then it boosts much higher than 2.8 on all cores. Only AVX tasks which use much more power, cause it to drop to base speed of 2.8.
Denver Microcenter has I5 8400 in stock, but they're asking $249.99 :( I'm genuinely considering bailing on Intel due to their total lack of availability. It's clearly a superior chip for gaming, but that doesn't mean anything if you can't actually buy one.
Damn, you can get weed at the store in Denver but not an i5?? That's some twisted shit right there. I walked by the 8400 at my local retailer today like, "eh, maybe tomorrow." Don't bail just yet though. Be patient. Go train some tacos for a few weeks, come back, and assess the situation then.
Yes, the reason the stock is low is because this is a paper launch. Intel was willing to take the hit of 3 months of sales to take the spotlight off of ryzen, as they NEED the ryzen train to slow down. There will be no mass coffee lake stock in stores until 2018. Videos like this is the goal of Intel, to get reviewers to make "fastest gaming pc of 2017 videos" featuring products they can't put to shelves yet. It's actually genius but as scummy as humanly possible.
They got a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. They rushed to market to stop potential customers from upgrading to Ryzen, but they couldn't get enough chips or appropriate boards ready in time. They basically launched just take wind out of AMD's sails and make some folks think twice about upgrading and just wait for the budget boards.
So Steve, is it time to start buying faster memory for Intel platforms? I bought 2x8gb of 3000 memory for 8700K because there hasn't been any need for higher speeds for Intel cpus
Memory speeds have always had slight impacts on frame rates in games. It's just no one has properly taken the time to kill this meme in the community. ua-cam.com/video/Er_Fuz54U0Y/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/frNjT5R5XI4/v-deo.html
Can you improve the way you show OC vs stock benchmark results. Maybe use different colours, offset the name or something. I don't have a solution but maybe spend some time thinking about this...
The dude was all like, "Why didn't you review the R5 1600? Looks like you are some kind of paid Intel shill." And then GN was all like, "Did you even watch the video cuz?" And then dude says, "Y-y-y-yes" And GN said, "Bullshit! It's 26 minutes long and it's only been up for like 7 minutes. Caught yo ass in a lie! I done addressed that shit like 53 times in the video cuz. And by the way, If Intel was payin me to do this shit do you think I would have this Pergo flooring up on the wall behind me?! Naw cuz, shit would be straight up mahogany beams. Whole room, just mahogany beams...wall-to-wall cuz." And dude replies, "Whatever, I didn't even want to finish the video because you didn't start off by saying that AMD is god and that they are the most consumer-friendly corporation on the planet." And GN was like, "Man I aint even got time to argue with yo dumbass. Take them clickbait ass comments over to JayzTwoCents. You'll fit right in over there." Or something like that...
"I am afraid that ryzen might drop below 60fps in some future games" What the shit? We're roastin dipshits and you come here with some 60fps world of warcraft goobery??? Get the hell outta this thread!
Why are you comparing this to an R5? The price is nothing like an R5. In fact an R7 1700 is currently cheaper in the UK. This must be compared to the 1700 until it is priced to match the 1600. www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-BX80684I58400-Core-i5-8400-Processor/dp/B0759FGJ3Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1508163520&sr=8-1&keywords=i5-8400
False. A comment below from the US says "Denver Microcenter has i5-8400 in stock, but they're asking $249.99 :(". - They are in such short supply everywhere that price gauging is occurring and therefore no one is getting these chips for $180. So no point in comparing them to a $180 chip. Compare them to £250 chips (Ryzen 7 is $270 at the same store). If Intel push a paper release with low quantities that drives prices up, they shouldnt get credit for making a great $180 chip. Its a $250 chip and should be compared like that in the market until such a time Intel actually manufacture the things. As a consumer, if I want a $180 chip, i5-8400 isn't an option. So don't put it in the comparison. If I have $250 to spend, then you can add it and let me compare to make my purchasing decision. This comparison is stupid as it doesn't mean anything in the real world. I can only consider the i5 if I have $250 to spend ... at which point I consider the r1700 as an alternative. Not the 1600.
Mr Screamer False. There is a point to compare based on the $180 MSRP: when stock normalizes and the price for the 8400 returns to $180, people trying to make purchase decisions will want it compared to $180 CPUs, not $250 CPUs. This is even addressed at the end of the video. _Watch before you comment!_
When stock normalises ... make a new video. Until then (looks 6 months away right now), this comparison isn't the one consumers will be interested in for purchase decisions. You need an apples vs apples comparison based on price. Not pie in the sky coulda woulda shoulda.
I would like to see you guys go into depth about zotacs gpus. My 980ti amp extreme edition is already losing a fan despite being only about a year and a half old... I have seen many fourm posts about 970s 980s even the newer 1070s and 1080s losing their fans already. Have you done any digging in this topic? I really like the amp extreme cards but I dont want to buy one next upgrade because it seems zotac is skimping on fan bearings on $700 graphics cards...
please include lot of dx 12 games because that's the future, no one will build a new system to play just old dx 11 games such as gta5, because the performance of ryzen in dx 12 is very catchy to intel cpus.
The Call of Duty series (all of them so far, with no prospects on changing) use DX11. And Mass Effect: Andromeda. And the Far Cry series. And Assassin's Creed series. And the Dirt series. Same with Nier: Automata and Outlast 2. Prey and Resident Evil 7 support only DX11. These were games released in 2017 or series continuing into or through 2017. DX11 isn't losing that much popularity, probably because development is easier with higher-level APIs (like DirectX11) that also provide good performance and can run on a lot of hardware (which will work well for sales). DirectX11 is, and still will be, relevant for gaming results now and in the years to come.
Abdelhak Essbai In other words, "please try to make Ryzen look better." There are only like 25 DX12 games out there right now, DX11 is very relevant. And no just because someone builds a new system doesn't mean they will only play new games. I personally wait a year or more after release to buy most games, that way I can get it cheap on a Steam sale with all DLC and less bugs.
Implementing all the DLCs for big games takes a while. So don´t expect WB, EA or Ubi$oft to come out with anything "up to date". There will be more indie games based on Vulkan & DX12 within the next half year. And as with previous iterations of directX, it takes time but the new version will come out on top.
Had to order this while i wait for my 8700k (looks like we are not getting it until December :/ ) Had hope i could blck clock it on the asrock fatality gaming i7 mb i got a week ago. Will see in a couple of days if i can get some oc on it.
I really want to upgrade my CPU but the 8400 won't be a good option until the B series boards are available in Q1 2018, and by then Zen+ is supposed to be released. I would get Ryzen now but don't want to spend 150+ on fast memory.
Paring 2666Mhz memory with Ryzen is just fine. Tech Deals did an entire series of tests where he pitted 2666Mhz vs 3200Mhz and the difference wasn't greater than 2-3%.
I wish I had have waited a few weeks and got the 1700 like I was planning to from the start. Suppose i'll just keep the 1600 since its more than good enough anyway and maybe get an 8 core gen 2 when released. I could still send it back and get the 1700 since I haven't used it yet but I couldn't be arsed. And I wont need to get a new motherboard for gen 2. Preferably they'll hit the 4.5 to 4.8 area. Better ones a bit more.
JayzTwoCent said that you can't lock the 8400's multiplier (well he said base muliplier and you're talking about the turbo multiplier) to anything in the turbo range. So it is possible in theorie to turbo all 6 cores to max turbo speed? (in this case all 6 cores running at 4.0Ghz)
I’ve got my i7-6700k to 4.8ghz @ 1.42v. Now I know this is sorta high, but I’m a casual gamer going for maybe 1-2hrs at a time before ADD sets in. I feel like I should be ok at this moderately high voltage. I’ve played a lot of Witcher 3, ran it through heaven and 3dmark with my temps not going above 67c. I think I’m ok, but other opinions would be appreciated.
Rodney Rogers mines at 4.8ghz too except its at a chilly 1.320v i won the lottery big time. But to hit 4.9ghz with good temps id need to delid and its just not worth it. Ill wait for icelake.
Tanzu15 I’m satisfied with my OC. I feel like I could hit 4.9-5 as well but my 1.42v(maybe I can go lower) is kinda high. My Lepa 240 aquachanger is doing a good job tho. Tops 55c when I’m playing Witcher 3. Night brave higher OCs if I got into an open loop.
Can someone explain to me the fetish of dragging a video for 26 minutes of what could've been cut into 10 minutes? I mean I get it that some videos need their time to be qualitative but every video is 20-30 minutes which might be eating a tiny bit too much of my life. Bottom line, I want to be a regular viewer but it gets hard.
so here is my question if the non overclocking intel chipsets like the b250 and h270 dont support more than 2400mhz ram, whats the point in testing high frequency ram with the new locked coffee lake CPUs? wouldnt the chipset people buying these chips on not support anything higher than 2400mhz ram assuming intel keeps the same ram support as seen in previous chipsets I cant really see someone buy a i5 8400 and a z370/390 board cause if they are buying a locked CPU why not either A. spend more money on the unlocked CPU or B. save a few bucks by buying a lower end chipset like H370 or B360? im sure there will be a minority who bought a 8400 with a overclocking capable motherboard but that isnt gonna be the majority as people who usually buy locked CPUs end up buying a non overclocking motherboard i know the low end chipsets are not released so we dont know for sure what ram speeds are supported but i doubt anything above 2666 would be supported with the assumption intel adds 2666 ram support with their low end boards(which i doubt cause its intel but you never know)
What are the exact settings for the Ashes Escalation benchmarks? Because i am getting 56FPS average with my 5930k at 4.5 with 32GB of 3000MHz CL14 Ram.
Want to upgrade from i5-3570k on a budget but there's so much uncertainty and confusion with non-K processors. Base Clock vs Turbo Bosst but Turbo Boost isn't the same speed on all cores. And the cores only stay at the higher speed under the right conditions including temerature but good luck finding out specifically what those conditions are. Or what CPU coolers will keep them with the conditions. So if I don't know, on a hot day will my FPS suddently plummet? Oh and there's Multi-Core Enhancement, which gives equal speed to all cores but only on ASUS motherboards, or maybe not based on some forum post I once saw. And apparently ASUS boards have MCE on automatically, but others don't. Oh, and without telling the customers, apparently i5-8400 might have MCE engaged at 3.8Ghz on all CPU's. What a clusterfuck for customers who don't want to spend a ridiculous amount of time figuring out this stupid shit.
Intel consistently losing against its own products as it seems. You could argue that they now regret launching the 7700k, which still can compete with its successor for less money and two less cores.
This is a face palm from intel to all skylake and kabylake buyers especially those who bought 7600k or 7700k. A 7600k with a decent overclock and fast ram cant beat i5 8400, if we couple this cpu with a cheap H310 motherboard we have a capable cpu + board a launch price of i5 7600k. Considering you need to buy a overclocking board + good heatsink etc for 7600k to keep up the overclock, 7600k is one real bad deal anyone could have got.
I suppose this will be my CPU choice instead of R5 1600. Only bummer is that there is no information on Ice Lake 9th gen CPU's using the same chipset/socket as the current "updated" z370. If the 9th gen will support the same old z370 should I purchase the z-series board with locked CPU right now and later on upgrade to the 9th gen unlocked with the same board or still wait more for the b-series? I am really hesitant on making any purchases yet the wait has been far too long.
Thanks for your reply! But damn... It looks like I have to go all out on a 8600K chip if I decide to not wait. Ryzen 5 series cpu's have been really appealing so far but hearing more and more how much optimization and software tuning the ryzen platform needs I am further more put off with the original idea of purchasing an R5 1600... also I just can't wait for that Asus ROG x370 itx board.
which is what i've used all along. I started off with a Pentium4, moved to the i5 2500K(and still have) and finally right now I am using the Devils Canyon i5 4690K
![Intel Core i5-8400 [B360] vs. AMD Ryzen 5 1600 [B350]](/img/n.gif)
Article with some additional thoughts on the present limited motherboard situation (see the introduction): www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3086-intel-i5-8400-cpu-review-2666mhz-vs-3200mhz-gaming
8700K review: ua-cam.com/video/oCSkyNHXIAE/v-deo.html
I got 5th comment!
jlrockafella Again, we didn't OC it.
Do a comparison of all generations of 6-core CPUs next!
Good day sir im a big fan(not the cooling type) you make the best videos i have ever watched i watched all of your vids atleast two times thanks for the vids man. Im from the philippines im a pc enthusiast and gamer my pc only pc just broke because of old age it was at least 4 to 5 years old when i got it on 2011 it was a gift from my mother i have used it for 3 years but sadly it broke the specs are amd athlon 64 le-1600 Motherboard: GF7025-M2 1gb ddr2 ram for its storage a 160gb Hitachi hdd unfortunately our current financial situation i cant buy a decent pc im hoping you will make a give away contest so i can at least have a chance to win a decent upgrade
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Clarkdale is 2C/4T, Lynnfield 4C/4T.
Since then only a few i5's were 2C/4T.
And mobile CPU, even i7. Thanks marketing.
So Intel's $180 CPU went from 2C/4T to 6C/6T in just 9 months? Ain't competition great?
Yeah, but kinda hurts to see when you bought an i7 6700k just a year ago.
But im glad for everyone else and the industry overall.
not sure but you are talking about since the 6400 and 7400 were both 4/4
first gen i5 were 2/4
LaruKun from the recent benches, faster but not way faster. And at the price, you can't argue would someone not wanting to get a way more expensive chip for the same enough performance
@Larukun You are right the first gen i5 750 (built on 45nm) is a 4 cores CPU ... but !! They also released a bunch of 32nm Core i5 called Core i5 6xx (also Core i3 5xx) which are 2c/4t. And those were released much later compared to the i5 750.
Seiniger 7350K
Great review and good to see the i5 8400 and most likely all of the other non K CPU's tested on how they will most likely be installed in OEM and most systems once the lower tier boards get released. My point being that if you can not raise the memory speed beyond certain points on the mid tier chipset boards then this review shows what to expect from these non K CPU's when installed on mid tier boards and not how they perform on the top end boards.
With that said this makes the unlocked Ryzen 5 6/12 CPU's look a lot more appealing because when they are overclocked and high speed tightly timed memory used they are able to perform very well when up against something like the 8400 i5.
Thank You
I'm a simple man. I see a GN video, I watch it all, I learn something and press like.
Well done Steve. Thanks for including the R5 1600/1600X chips in the test. I suspect AMD's Node shrink for Ryzen plus will erase most if not all of the deficit between the R5 1600X and the 8700k. That should take place in a few month. After that we can or should expect Intel to respond by releasing 10nm Cannon Lake in the Fall of 2018 to sprint ahead. Not to be out done AMD will answer back with Ryzen Instruction Set renovations plus architecture tweaks to create Ryzen 2 in the first quarter of 2019 to once again close the gap. If Intel's woes with 10nm continue I would not be surprised to see AMD pull ahead for a period of time. Barring a surprising boost in performance with the Ryzen 2 upgrade I don't see Ryzen leap frogging Intel in Gaming performance for any length of time until 7nm arrives in early 2021 but AMD will keep it close. Data Center/ Enterprise and Cloud arenas are a different matter. But in Gaming it still should be quite the battle. So pull out a bowl of popcorn, your favorite brew and your Easy Chair because watching this dogfight ought to be a real treat !
damn this comment aged well
@@faus2417 1600x closing the gap to the 8700K? Bruh what 💀
In Brazil, they're charging about 50 U$D extra for the 8400 over the 7400. Granted, it's common practice to jack up the price so that they can lower it during Black Friday, but at the very least, you can find it in stock.
You can't do BCLK overclocking anymore, as per usual Intel patched that with an update.
A lot of good info here in this video. Going to hold off on cpu upgrade until after first quarter 2018. Thanks for the vid!
6700k: delid if you want, I guess
7700k: if you're a serious overclocker, delid
8700k: why haven't you delided yet
mitchell2719 yeah
Lmao
shoutout to whoever edits your videos, the highlights and stuff help a lot
Steve, something very important you should know as a Civ 5 and 6 vet (6 seems to run on a very similar engine), Using both a 6700k and 2600k, (the two chips I had available atm), I found it comes really down to clock speed, not ipc (Can't account for ryzen atm as my ryzen system is down). Both chips at 4ghz locked, performed within margin of error of each other. 1 core statistics don't matter these days, 2 cores/threads, turns take 29~ seconds, 2 cores/4 threads they take 18~, and any higher config they sat at 16~. Overclocking both to 4.7, they hit the same 15.5~ you got on the 7600k. I think with your much larger cpu variation, it would be worth a video if you need a filler.
Thanks a lot for the numbers Steve, I cant wait for the other motherboards to become available. As an aside, just wanted to say I really respect your testing methodology. Eliminating variables and discarding inconsequential old data is much more "scientific" than pretty much any other channel I regularly watch. Take it easy.
Great depth of detail as always, but would have been nice for a simple few comparisons with the same game tests with a lower GPU, like a 1060 or 1070 to see how much the hugely powerful GPU you are using might reduce the differences.
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you make the best reviews,
if somebody is out looking for hardware, you are their only choice in getting the right information , you are correct , precise and with lots lots of usefull info, ! thanks GN
It was reviews list this that led me to buy the Ryzen 5 1600x. I have been very happy gaming, OSB capture, and Lightworks editing.
Finally, some competition! I'm waiting for Pinnacle Ridge though, won't support intel until 2020 when AM4 ends.
That's some weird ass shit to say, but to each his own
can you explain?
and only then if they get their pricing together :)
James Mastroianni intel cores cost more because they need Z boards and expensive cooling, This means that if zen+ gets a good ipc boost from refinements (not better arcetecture just fixing problems ryzen 1 had) and w good clock boost they will go up against coffee lake as well aa they did against skylake and zen2 may be good enough to beat ice lake.
Most of us early addopters of ryzen see 0 point of going back to intel because we can upgrade if the uphrade is worth it vs needing a new motherboard to even consider intel upgrades.
Mostly just £190 - £200 on Novatech, Ebuyer etc. in the uk for the 8400, but some sellers are trying to price gouge on amazon.co.uk shooting for £250 - £270
I recently purchased an i5-8400 (upgraded from an i5-6400). I love it. A lot of bang for your buck.
Which motherboard and ram r u using?
As a gamer thinking about those platform costs in January...... ~$60 H310 mobo, 8~16gb of DDR4 and the i5 8400 looks like a damn good deal for getting into 1440p/1080p-144hz gaming on a semi-budget (with something like a 1070 when the prices eventually come down some with the 1070ti coming out)
As always. Great work, and thank you for in depth analysis and transparent way you document your methodology. If I could put forward some constructive criticism can I suggest you either dont do the production benchmarks and keep to your "Gamers" focus. Or expand the non gaming benchmarks to include things other than blender cpu, and cinebench runs. There are significant other use cases which I suspect a large number of your audience would be interested in. Virtual machine benchmarks, Code compile, Database benchmarks spring to mind. I know in the past you have said you dont have skills in those areas. this is fine, but then stick to gaming benchmarks :-)
anyone say "this cpu is better" please. you are probably not running a 1080ti. if an i7 2700k can still hold its own, then any modern cpu will last a long ass time.
eye opening reply.
I would like to see a better focus on the r5 1600, not the r5 1600X(since the latter isn't such good value. The former overclocks well and does not require a cooler). Good video either way.
Is it weird that I miss "before we get into that" in the sponsor spots?
Yeah, but fuck it. Do you booboo, do you
T B wanna go nighty night?
Fad Nad, put the goddam jelly on tha muthafuckin sandwich. Do it! Spread it!
T B peanut butter jelly time, peanut butter jelly time, where u at, where u at, there u go, there u go, peanut butta jalllae!!! Peanut butta jaaalllaee!!!
yeah i was pretty into that
As a gamer that purchased a 1600x a few months ago for value and future proofing, i feel a bit bummed that the 8400 wasn't in my life sooner. Personally I mostly game, so an 8400 would've been better for my use case. Oh well, a 1600x beats and i5 3330 any day, so I can find solace in that.
Jacky Zhang = a lost man searching for a purpose. Keep your head up mane. CPU's come and go many times in one's life. You'll get your shit together, find that right CPU that provides you with years of joy, and be truly happy one day. Trust me Jacky, you can do this
My i5 3570k is starting to feel the age on games, although i really want to stick to intel, 1600x is really cheap on my country... doubts doubts
dont get bummed out about that, thats just how the tech hardware works... even if you buy 8400, then there would be a better value option if you wait longer and so on...
What stuff do people run in the background when they game? I don't understand the argument of "I can run so much stuff in the background wow amaze"
Yeah. 1600x is a bummer. I mean. I really and honestly haven't felt the need to upgrade from 2600K until Ryzen 1700 came. 8C/16T was the only "I'm feeling the speed difference really significantly" option. 1600 wouldn't be that. And now, no need to upgrade for years to come. If the get the die shrink and manage something in the line of 4.5+ GHz stable I will upgrade. And that is ONLY because I will be able to just switch the CPU. Same reason why I would not have stick to the 2600K but the always changing sockets and motherboards prevented me going to something like 6700K (which is exactly the tick-tock lifespan that AM4 promisses)
Thanks GN for bringing us the Intel i5-8400 Facts.
Intel i5-8400 CPU is a great CPU for budget gamers but it doesn't have enough performance to get the max out of a Pascal 1080/1080ti. FPS is King, low FPS is a deal breaker, bottlenecking a Pascal 1080/1080ti is also a deal breaker, CPU heat is not as critical as GPU heat which throttles down the FPS when the going gets tough. Ashes is worthless as a game, we don't see gamers playing it so as a gaming benchmark it's a very low priority, turn completion times are interesting but not a deal breaker. Gamers keep their CPUs for a longer time than their GPUs and when they need more speed they OC them advantage Intel, running a i7 8700K will get the most out of a high performance GPU now and later you can OC it to get the most from a high end Volta.
Gamersnexus = Quality > Quantity... and still uploads once a day xD
Absolutely crazy how much these guys work
Seems like a good CPU but I think AMD with it's better upgradability using same components for next gen of CPU is still a better option.
No one upgrades existing platforms. Cpus and mobos are being bought and sold later as kits.
Mike Clarke. There are still people on 2600k. Proof you don't need to change your CPU every 2 years. Whoever does that like to spend money but does not get "value". Buying a $300 CPU and replacing it in 2 years time is not "good value" nor a good idea.
Andrei Pelle I agree, I'm still running my 4th gen i5 but looking to upgrade soon as hexacores and multithreading CPU are becoming much more affordable.
Still have the 2500k so..
FYI for people in the USA. Days ago the R5 1600x was $199. In combination with a much cheaper B350, it is the cheaper option atm. That being said, you will want to pair it with better memory, which does cost more, but is probably still worth it if you can find a deal. Steve is absolutely correct. We are for the first time in a long time fortunate enough to be able to have real choices, and thanks to AMD for forcing Intel to move past the four core limbo Hell we've been stuck in for too long.
After watching this, my opinion on it still hasn't changed, the R5's just an overall better buy. But, it's nice to see Intel putting 6 cores into the mainstream too.
SlavjanA I got 1600 and it's hard for me to go past 120 fps in ghostrecon, shadow of war and fortnite no matter how low I go in settings(got a 1080ti). BUT no stutters, I can game when I watch twitch, download files and talk to mom on skype, for example. I disabled SMT, changed from 3.7ghz to 3.8ghz(voltage unchanged) and now I can get 140+ fps in these games going from Very High preset to lowering a few settings like shadow, AA, draw distance. I game at 1440p 144hz and I'm aiming 100fps in AAA games and 140+ competitive. You might say 1600 and 1080ti is bottleneck. I want to get ryzen 7 later for streaming games, but In conclusion, I got an i5 coffelake by disabling SMT. Would like to hear your opinion on this, internet pal.
SlavjanA I notice the difference between 120 and 144, but it's so small, I'd rather have SMT than that. Ram is 16gb at 3000 and asus x370 pro may I add.
Now I eagerly await Zen 2
Though a side-note, Intel B and H-series boards are still usually about $10 more expensive than AM4 B350. That almost gets you to a 1600.
The 8400 is still a very good gaming CPU, but I think considering that when you can use the extra performance the extra threads of the 1600 give you, you NEED that performance. When the 8400 performs better, there's little in it as you're already well above 75 FPS.
We'll see though, with claims like that and how overkill either of those CPUs really are for most 60 hz displays, only time will tell. Great buys all around this year.
Ya'll Ryzen fans are starting to sound like iPhone owners...always waiting for the next shit
Rlly ? Are you waiting for Zen 2 which will be released in 2019?
"Waiting" as in "Excited to see".
Just like i was "waiting" for Coffee Lake. It was exciting to see.
Do you guys understand? It's just the next big release. I wanna see how it pans out.
I'm not really waiting to buy anything because I don't need to...
I still like the R5 1600 (X) as the best all round performer for the price on the desktop at the moment. I think that with the i5 now being 6 core, the i5 8600K is going to make the i5's once again relevant in the gaming space but it will be at the cost of the i7's and not any AMD chip as the 7700K maintained Intels gaming CPU preference for people focused on gaming.
Can't wait until the pinnacle ridge refresh as that is about the time I'll be upgrading the second system in the house to another 6/12 CPU, I already did the first with a 1600 on B350 and was very happy with the results. Pinnacle ridge R5 2600 or i7 8700K, hard to say at this point in time but if pricing dictates it'll probably be Pinnacle Ridge.
The third and final system will be about when the Zen 2 architecture is released, still can't decide between an 8/16 on the desktop or a Threadripper. Depending on how ice lake performs, it'll be an interesting time to decide on the workstation configuration, on which I want lots of cores rather than high frequency. Once again price will dictate, but it''ll be the system with little to no compromise and if zen 2 comes in 12 core on the desktop (a distinct possibility given the EPYC 48 core plan for zen 2), that will make the decision for me (unless I decide I want lots of PCIe lanes)
I'm a little mad that Intel has refreshed the same damn chip 3 fucking times now.
6700k,7700k,8700k are all the same core.
even the i3s are just Low clocked 7700k now.
Who cares they recycle? I see it as optimisation, but anyway. Be mad on AMD for lagging behind in games for the last 10 years. They should be bashed, not Intel.
As we approach the silicon limit, it becomes harder to shrink the transistor size. Its likely we will see total architecture changes due to smaller transistor sizes every 5-10 years now. The only thing that can be improved on each year easily is small tweeks and optimizations
Not An Argument. It's been like that for years thought with there manufacturing cycle
Except the 6700k and 7700k were 4c/8t and the 8700k is 6c/12t. So...not really the same. You don't seem to understand the difficulty in shrinking the die size as often as intel has in the last decade.
Milkman Gaming and also they weren't suppose to be too different, pretty much the same platform tht was intended with a slight bump of IPC and cores
So, you keep comparing the 1500x to the 8400 pricing wise. In Australia, the 8400 is priced either the same as or more than a 1600. Stock is also non-existent for any of the 6-cores from intel.
That may be true for your region, but from Gamers Nexus' perspective, being American along with a significant portion of their viewers, the comparison is accurate. Both the i5-8400 and the R5-1500X retail for $189.99. Steve can't possibly base his price comparisons on fluctuating exchange rates and stock availability in markets outside of his own. If your situation differs from that of the core audience, then adjust your decisions accordingly.
Phillip Conley when you add the cost of a Z370, high speed ram and a 1080ti to realize the kind of performance difference we see in those benchmarks the price advantage of an R5 1600+B350 become insignificant.
Alberto Martinez except there's no point to adding the price of the motherboard. He didn't for the ryzen. A few cheaper boards will come there's no point in a z370 for a non K cpu.
If you want to compare cpu+ board then you'll have to do it on both sides and that means a comparable ryzen to the Z370 lineup
Josh Rowell then why bother testing the 8400 now if you are not going to pair it with a z370, the only available option until January or so? You can pair ryzen 5 with X370 if you need the features but you don't need any of those features to get the gaming performance reflected in this review.
Alberto Martinez because this is a tech channel that is ment to provide information. If they don't review it now then they get left in the dust behind everyone else and regardless of the motherboard options what GN finds and posts is what to be expected of the product
Are you going to try going with separate 1080ti / Vega tests like Hardware unboxed? They show significantly different results depending on the title.
Can you make a video on Antivirus impact?
Exactly why I've been preaching the 1600 + B350 + stock cooler or for the K Intel version the 1700 + B350 + stock cooler (if not only gaming) as an entry. At the moment the 4 Core Ryzens don't make sense next to i5-8400 and the i5-8400 doesn't make sense without the cheaper boards. People buying in under the 1600 mark are in a "tough" position (albeit a ton better than a year ago :P )
Same. I'm tired of waiting so I'm getting r5 1600 as soon as possible. Though I still have concerns. Maybe it would be actually better to wait for the last time? I5 8400 looks really strong
Comparing to i5 7xxx getting r5 1600 was a brilliant decision. But now things completely changed ones again
Lighter ST Well. Not yet. :) First the boards need to come. And these days. Taking in account the price of Ryzen 1700, together with a stock cooler and a b350. You are really not that far from the non K i5 price. Especially seeing that Ryzen is here for more than half a year already. You can even get a used 1700 and spare yourself further 50 bucks. Anyway. Whatever someone chooses. Next year we have to see what the AMD response will be. (coming February).
In the UK the i5 8600k is £278 at most retailers which is ridiculous as a main stream product that has a msrp of $257 so in the uk it should really be lowered but I realise that it’s probably because of stock shortages but the market is tough at the moment.
That's a nice cpu
Zeke Levin yeah for gamers its a pretty sweet deal. But, No H-type cheap mobos are available and this chip is the same price as R5 1600 in my country. (India)
T B yeah. It's not extraordinary, not horrible, nowhere else on the spectrum. It's just a nice thing. 6 cores for under $200 with the IPC expected of Intel processors. No thermal problems, and hopefully B360 motherboards will be cheapish. It's just nice.
You have a way with words....I feel like you're painting a picture on my soul
P.S. no homo
T B :)
Love the channel, but I would get the z370 with this chip anyway. The 3200 ddr4 over the 2666 is like an overclock.
There is one important thing missing in those benchmarks. What will have higher noise level using same cooler i5 8400 or r5 1600? Could you check it, or at least write here what are your impressions without measuring it (also could tell what are fan rpm on idle)? I think soldered IHS will make ryzen quieter chips and for me it would be very important factor.
give me the 8700k damnit
Here is my thoughts on this, The 8400 is a beast of a core and unless the 1600 or 1600x drop into the 150ish range then the 8400 is going to be the best buy once the non Z boards come out in the mid range segment as right now the cheaper boards offset the cost of ryzens need for better ram.
But until then there are 3 things keeping kaby lake or ryzen as the better cores, First you cant get coffee lake right now it is sold out EVERYWHERE, Second CL wont be avalable in large numbers till late december to early january by all reports and if it only trickles in then high demand and low supply will likely spike the prices, And third CL cpus do not come with coolers worth a damn and that means at a minimum you need a cheap aftermarket cooler but to really unlock the full potential of the core and mce you need something like a hypercool 212 or even an aio depending on the sku or even core to keep these cores stable and cool, Which can really effect the value of these cores.
And as a final thought intel not having these cores in bulk are going to take a HUGE loss over black friday, Cyber monday and the holidays, Very few people are going to pass up good deals on the cores avalable now for something they cant get for months, And if you need a pc now again not many people who need it for their jobs are going to wait.
Well the 1600 has already been having on and off sales at around $160 mark, which is cheaper than the 8400's msrp, and as we see from the benchmarks, it's about 2-4 fps slower than the 8400, which is negligible.
And not everyone only game so the extra threads from the 1600 also help appeal to people who do content creation and virtualization
Vegetables are good for you You will get no disagreements from me, I was speaking in terms of gaming only, Also i had no idea the 1600s had got that low last i looked they were in athe $180 range.
The 1600 is regularly on sale now for around $170 in the US and is clearly at a better price to performance point than the 8400, with a clear upgrade path that the Intel CPU's just do not have.
Champ honestly going kaby lake I5+1070 or 1070ti/ R5 1600+1080 will give you a FAR better fps boost, game experince and life span then the 8400+1600 will UNLESS you need the cores.
By first quarter next year, cheaper Intel boards will be readily available. But if you wait for another month Ryzen on 12nm, supposedly, will be in production. I say wait for that before deciding on on an Intel.
Forgot to include whether its worth buying a 3000 mhz memory with the i5-8400 for gaming in the conclusion.
I can't imagine how much time you spend with this type of videos.
Has intel said anything about why the base clock is so much lower than the boost clock for the 8400? normally it's not an entire GHz.
8400 is a lower binned i5 chip so it cant run at normal speeds without raising power consumption. ua-cam.com/video/O98qP-FsIWo/v-deo.html
It's an AVX thing. If you're not running AVX tasks, then it boosts much higher than 2.8 on all cores. Only AVX tasks which use much more power, cause it to drop to base speed of 2.8.
Denver Microcenter has I5 8400 in stock, but they're asking $249.99 :(
I'm genuinely considering bailing on Intel due to their total lack of availability. It's clearly a superior chip for gaming, but that doesn't mean anything if you can't actually buy one.
Were you really going to pair an 8400 with a Z370?
Damn, you can get weed at the store in Denver but not an i5?? That's some twisted shit right there. I walked by the 8400 at my local retailer today like, "eh, maybe tomorrow." Don't bail just yet though. Be patient. Go train some tacos for a few weeks, come back, and assess the situation then.
Yes, the reason the stock is low is because this is a paper launch. Intel was willing to take the hit of 3 months of sales to take the spotlight off of ryzen, as they NEED the ryzen train to slow down. There will be no mass coffee lake stock in stores until 2018. Videos like this is the goal of Intel, to get reviewers to make "fastest gaming pc of 2017 videos" featuring products they can't put to shelves yet. It's actually genius but as scummy as humanly possible.
James Mastroianni, you're that kid that ruins the whole group's fun, huh? Get yo conspiracy theory ass outta here bruh
They got a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. They rushed to market to stop potential customers from upgrading to Ryzen, but they couldn't get enough chips or appropriate boards ready in time. They basically launched just take wind out of AMD's sails and make some folks think twice about upgrading and just wait for the budget boards.
So Steve, is it time to start buying faster memory for Intel platforms? I bought 2x8gb of 3000 memory for 8700K because there hasn't been any need for higher speeds for Intel cpus
Memory speeds have always had slight impacts on frame rates in games. It's just no one has properly taken the time to kill this meme in the community. ua-cam.com/video/Er_Fuz54U0Y/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/frNjT5R5XI4/v-deo.html
Steve used to be so chill!
The 8700k is going for $750 to $800 in Japan at this time - given the current exchange rate.
The sad thing is that those motherboards will only be available around the release date of Pinnacle ridge
Finally a trust worthy i5 8400 review!
ooooh MAN i love competition. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK AMD!
Thank's for the video bro keep up the good work
How about the i5-8600K? will you do a review, or do this CPU not exist at all?
Can you improve the way you show OC vs stock benchmark results. Maybe use different colours, offset the name or something. I don't have a solution but maybe spend some time thinking about this...
For future tests, could you add some more 6th/7th gen i5s? Just as a reference
Damn, that dude deleted his comment about the R5 1600. I love when GN snaps on the mental midgets. It's incredibly entertaining
about the why r5 1600 not included? what did he say? and what's the GN reply? cos when i refresh its gone
Ben We just suggested watching the video, as that's discussed explicitly. The commenter hadn't finished it yet.
The dude was all like, "Why didn't you review the R5 1600? Looks like you are some kind of paid Intel shill."
And then GN was all like, "Did you even watch the video cuz?"
And then dude says, "Y-y-y-yes"
And GN said, "Bullshit! It's 26 minutes long and it's only been up for like 7 minutes. Caught yo ass in a lie! I done addressed that shit like 53 times in the video cuz. And by the way, If Intel was payin me to do this shit do you think I would have this Pergo flooring up on the wall behind me?! Naw cuz, shit would be straight up mahogany beams. Whole room, just mahogany beams...wall-to-wall cuz."
And dude replies, "Whatever, I didn't even want to finish the video because you didn't start off by saying that AMD is god and that they are the most consumer-friendly corporation on the planet."
And GN was like, "Man I aint even got time to argue with yo dumbass. Take them clickbait ass comments over to JayzTwoCents. You'll fit right in over there."
Or something like that...
T B 10/10 recreation :)
"I am afraid that ryzen might drop below 60fps in some future games"
What the shit? We're roastin dipshits and you come here with some 60fps world of warcraft goobery??? Get the hell outta this thread!
Why are you comparing this to an R5? The price is nothing like an R5. In fact an R7 1700 is currently cheaper in the UK. This must be compared to the 1700 until it is priced to match the 1600. www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-BX80684I58400-Core-i5-8400-Processor/dp/B0759FGJ3Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1508163520&sr=8-1&keywords=i5-8400
Mr Screamer because in the US which is where he lives a a large majority of his viewers live is closer to the price of the 1500/x not r7 or 1600
False. A comment below from the US says "Denver Microcenter has i5-8400 in stock, but they're asking $249.99 :(". - They are in such short supply everywhere that price gauging is occurring and therefore no one is getting these chips for $180. So no point in comparing them to a $180 chip. Compare them to £250 chips (Ryzen 7 is $270 at the same store). If Intel push a paper release with low quantities that drives prices up, they shouldnt get credit for making a great $180 chip. Its a $250 chip and should be compared like that in the market until such a time Intel actually manufacture the things. As a consumer, if I want a $180 chip, i5-8400 isn't an option. So don't put it in the comparison. If I have $250 to spend, then you can add it and let me compare to make my purchasing decision. This comparison is stupid as it doesn't mean anything in the real world. I can only consider the i5 if I have $250 to spend ... at which point I consider the r1700 as an alternative. Not the 1600.
Mr Screamer that's a retailer and not mrsp. Even then that's just one store, Steve even commented about microcenters price gouging
Mr Screamer False. There is a point to compare based on the $180 MSRP: when stock normalizes and the price for the 8400 returns to $180, people trying to make purchase decisions will want it compared to $180 CPUs, not $250 CPUs.
This is even addressed at the end of the video. _Watch before you comment!_
When stock normalises ... make a new video. Until then (looks 6 months away right now), this comparison isn't the one consumers will be interested in for purchase decisions. You need an apples vs apples comparison based on price. Not pie in the sky coulda woulda shoulda.
Your thread Ripper numbers look odd. Do you have gaming mode turned on for them?
Ryzen is good for workstation stuff but not gaming or single-app stuff (compared to the 8th gen Intels) imo
I would like to see you guys go into depth about zotacs gpus. My 980ti amp extreme edition is already losing a fan despite being only about a year and a half old... I have seen many fourm posts about 970s 980s even the newer 1070s and 1080s losing their fans already. Have you done any digging in this topic? I really like the amp extreme cards but I dont want to buy one next upgrade because it seems zotac is skimping on fan bearings on $700 graphics cards...
please include lot of dx 12 games because that's the future, no one will build a new system to play just old dx 11 games such as gta5, because the performance of ryzen in dx 12 is very catchy to intel cpus.
Vulkan and Metal 2 though?
The Call of Duty series (all of them so far, with no prospects on changing) use DX11. And Mass Effect: Andromeda. And the Far Cry series. And Assassin's Creed series. And the Dirt series. Same with Nier: Automata and Outlast 2. Prey and Resident Evil 7 support only DX11. These were games released in 2017 or series continuing into or through 2017. DX11 isn't losing that much popularity, probably because development is easier with higher-level APIs (like DirectX11) that also provide good performance and can run on a lot of hardware (which will work well for sales). DirectX11 is, and still will be, relevant for gaming results now and in the years to come.
Abdelhak Essbai In other words, "please try to make Ryzen look better." There are only like 25 DX12 games out there right now, DX11 is very relevant. And no just because someone builds a new system doesn't mean they will only play new games. I personally wait a year or more after release to buy most games, that way I can get it cheap on a Steam sale with all DLC and less bugs.
Implementing all the DLCs for big games takes a while. So don´t expect WB, EA or Ubi$oft to come out with anything "up to date".
There will be more indie games based on Vulkan & DX12 within the next half year.
And as with previous iterations of directX, it takes time but the new version will come out on top.
Abdelhak Essbai u must be new... dx12 is trash
Hey! Have you tested i5-8400 with the cheap motherboard?
Had to order this while i wait for my 8700k (looks like we are not getting it until December :/ ) Had hope i could blck clock it on the asrock fatality gaming i7 mb i got a week ago. Will see in a couple of days if i can get some oc on it.
something is wrong. 7600k stock is almost same as 7700k and 8400 and 8700!
Just go with any RAM in Dual Channel Mode, if you don´t play with a 120/144Hz Display, you don´t need high cloced RAM ...
I really want to upgrade my CPU but the 8400 won't be a good option until the B series boards are available in Q1 2018, and by then Zen+ is supposed to be released. I would get Ryzen now but don't want to spend 150+ on fast memory.
Paring 2666Mhz memory with Ryzen is just fine. Tech Deals did an entire series of tests where he pitted 2666Mhz vs 3200Mhz and the difference wasn't greater than 2-3%.
You can buy cheap memory and overclock it, works just fine.
It looks like intel moving forward will need to include hyperthreaded quad-cores still and coffeelake does not have hyperthreaded quad-cores
12:48 the i5-3570k stock is on the chart twice.
I wish I had have waited a few weeks and got the 1700 like I was planning to from the start. Suppose i'll just keep the 1600 since its more than good enough anyway and maybe get an 8 core gen 2 when released. I could still send it back and get the 1700 since I haven't used it yet but I couldn't be arsed. And I wont need to get a new motherboard for gen 2. Preferably they'll hit the 4.5 to 4.8 area. Better ones a bit more.
Great video! You're providing a public service to us all!
JayzTwoCent said that you can't lock the 8400's multiplier (well he said base muliplier and you're talking about the turbo multiplier) to anything in the turbo range. So it is possible in theorie to turbo all 6 cores to max turbo speed? (in this case all 6 cores running at 4.0Ghz)
I’ve got my i7-6700k to 4.8ghz @ 1.42v. Now I know this is sorta high, but I’m a casual gamer going for maybe 1-2hrs at a time before ADD sets in. I feel like I should be ok at this moderately high voltage. I’ve played a lot of Witcher 3, ran it through heaven and 3dmark with my temps not going above 67c. I think I’m ok, but other opinions would be appreciated.
Rodney Rogers mines at 4.8ghz too except its at a chilly 1.320v i won the lottery big time. But to hit 4.9ghz with good temps id need to delid and its just not worth it. Ill wait for icelake.
Tanzu15 I’m satisfied with my OC. I feel like I could hit 4.9-5 as well but my 1.42v(maybe I can go lower) is kinda high. My Lepa 240 aquachanger is doing a good job tho. Tops 55c when I’m playing Witcher 3. Night brave higher OCs if I got into an open loop.
Can someone explain to me the fetish of dragging a video for 26 minutes of what could've been cut into 10 minutes? I mean I get it that some videos need their time to be qualitative but every video is 20-30 minutes which might be eating a tiny bit too much of my life. Bottom line, I want to be a regular viewer but it gets hard.
"It does well enough in gaming to be fine." - Gamers Nexus Recommended
Is this with Turbo Boost on or off? How much of a difference would having it off make?
but what about the 8700 non K ?
Why do all these review channels tests vary so wildly.
so here is my question
if the non overclocking intel chipsets like the b250 and h270 dont support more than 2400mhz ram, whats the point in testing high frequency ram with the new locked coffee lake CPUs?
wouldnt the chipset people buying these chips on not support anything higher than 2400mhz ram assuming intel keeps the same ram support as seen in previous chipsets
I cant really see someone buy a i5 8400 and a z370/390 board cause if they are buying a locked CPU why not either A. spend more money on the unlocked CPU or B. save a few bucks by buying a lower end chipset like H370 or B360? im sure there will be a minority who bought a 8400 with a overclocking capable motherboard but that isnt gonna be the majority as people who usually buy locked CPUs end up buying a non overclocking motherboard
i know the low end chipsets are not released so we dont know for sure what ram speeds are supported but i doubt anything above 2666 would be supported with the assumption intel adds 2666 ram support with their low end boards(which i doubt cause its intel but you never know)
would be a lot of diference with 2400 mhz ram? instead 2666?
the action starts at 15:40 y'all
What are the exact settings for the Ashes Escalation benchmarks?
Because i am getting 56FPS average with my 5930k at 4.5 with 32GB of 3000MHz CL14 Ram.
Are u Not expecting at least a -5% when using a B or H mobo?
Want to upgrade from i5-3570k on a budget but there's so much uncertainty and confusion with non-K processors. Base Clock vs Turbo Bosst but Turbo Boost isn't the same speed on all cores. And the cores only stay at the higher speed under the right conditions including temerature but good luck finding out specifically what those conditions are. Or what CPU coolers will keep them with the conditions. So if I don't know, on a hot day will my FPS suddently plummet? Oh and there's Multi-Core Enhancement, which gives equal speed to all cores but only on ASUS motherboards, or maybe not based on some forum post I once saw. And apparently ASUS boards have MCE on automatically, but others don't. Oh, and without telling the customers, apparently i5-8400 might have MCE engaged at 3.8Ghz on all CPU's. What a clusterfuck for customers who don't want to spend a ridiculous amount of time figuring out this stupid shit.
I5 7500 or I5 8400???? which 1 should i buy??? .. advice plz...
i5 8400 would be the future proof investment.
What is the difference of stock 2666 and stock?
So 6600k is still well enough until 2018 black fridays. Mkay.
Intel consistently losing against its own products as it seems. You could argue that they now regret launching the 7700k, which still can compete with its successor for less money and two less cores.
I wonder how this chip performs in VR and Elite Dangerous.
8400 looks good when you look at price under 200.00
This is a face palm from intel to all skylake and kabylake buyers especially those who bought 7600k or 7700k.
A 7600k with a decent overclock and fast ram cant beat i5 8400, if we couple this cpu with a cheap H310 motherboard we have a capable cpu + board a launch price of i5 7600k. Considering you need to buy a overclocking board + good heatsink etc for 7600k to keep up the overclock, 7600k is one real bad deal anyone could have got.
I suppose this will be my CPU choice instead of R5 1600. Only bummer is that there is no information on Ice Lake 9th gen CPU's using the same chipset/socket as the current "updated" z370. If the 9th gen will support the same old z370 should I purchase the z-series board with locked CPU right now and later on upgrade to the 9th gen unlocked with the same board or still wait more for the b-series? I am really hesitant on making any purchases yet the wait has been far too long.
Thanks for your reply!
But damn... It looks like I have to go all out on a 8600K chip if I decide to not wait. Ryzen 5 series cpu's have been really appealing so far but hearing more and more how much optimization and software tuning the ryzen platform needs I am further more put off with the original idea of purchasing an R5 1600... also I just can't wait for that Asus ROG x370 itx board.
Scooby Dooby i am going to buy an asrock pro 4 z370 motherboard forma 105€
when do you speak about the i3 8350k bec its an really interresting cpu ( mostlikely for gaming)
I still love my 4690k
Righteous dude he is...and great hair.
In your opinion then for light gaming and general computing like email checking and youtube watching...ryzen or intel?
David Minor Intel's Pentium cpu
which is what i've used all along. I started off with a Pentium4, moved to the i5 2500K(and still have) and finally right now I am using the Devils Canyon i5 4690K
how do you put RAMs on 3200mhz?
No i5 8600k in review ?
I'ms so glad that I'm not a big fan of RTS titles. Ashes of the singularity literally bitchslaps any CPU you throw at it :/