I watch a lot of pc/tech channels on youtube, and I must say that your channel is one of my favorites. Your videos are so aesthetically pleasing to watch and very informative. Always relevant and interesting information. You deserve more subs! Keep up the good work!
Building a Gaming focused System, and the i5 8600K seems to be a really good chip with focus on Gaming and a good price. Maybe there is no need to go for the 8700K.
@Fun for CHEAP get a 570 it preforms 30% better than the 1050ti and they dropped in price dramatically you can get one for like 80$ if you look hard enough. If you have the $ got a 590 it is like 40% faster than the 570
Another wicked sweet looking Vid from Optimum Tech. Really dugg the "rewind" off all your previous B-roll. Cool stuff & fair talking points. I think the later half of 2018 will be interesting.
Man.. your cinematography.. just beautiful. Bit sore on the subject though haha, but only because I've literally only just bought an i5 8400 and z370 board that wasn't needed.. ahh well.
It's so weird, this is the second time this year that you produce pretty much the exact video that i need.. :P Yes, i've been eyeing the 8400 for a SFF build i've been working on in a NES that i converted to house PC hardware. But, i am waiting for the B series motherboards, and i have been for months now. Getting pretty sick of it tbh. But, it's not worth investing in a Z series board either way, as even if i got a K series CPU, there's simply no thermal headroom for overclocking in that build. I'm even planning on delidding the 8400 just to improve temps, as it will more than likely gain me a fair few degrees lower temps, which could be the difference between throttling or no, in this case.. The only reason i haven't already picked up the CPU is, that rumors suggest that an 8500 will be arriving along with the B series boards. The only difference will be a couple hundred mhz clock speeds, but i'll take it if the price is similar. I'm guessing it'll slot in at the 8400's current price, and that the price will be lowered just a bit on the 8400. It's just a guess, but it's based on past experience, so as long as the boards aren't out yet, i might as well wait to see if this CPU will arrive also. :) What i'm REALLY afraid of, is that the B series boards will arrive, but that there won't be any mITX boards at launch. If i have to wait even longer for those, then i'll just go with Ryzen.
There are many tech reviewers on youtube, But the 1st reason I subscribed to your channel is becouse you have some serious professional video editing skills. Thumps Up.
i had i7 8400 paired up with gtx 1070 ti 32gb ram and i can say from my experience it was shite, i sold it on thank fuck got i7 8700 non k model i am in heaven this thing is lighting fast at everything, i can tell you do not touch 8400 if they were giving it away...
@christian camilletti you are a lucky one i had to sell mine do to shitty slow performance, if you know some one with 8700 test it next to each other and you will see the difference...
Really love your videos and I must say the quality just keeps on improving! I understand why you use 1080ti for cpu benchmarking but it would be nice to throw a few gtx 1060/more "realistic" gpu benchmarks in just to showcase what kind of performance you can expect with gpu you would usually pair with cpu's in this price range, just my 2cents tho I know that many people who are really interested in these things will know the difference but for someone who's new to pc building this might lead them to thinking that performace differences for their midrange build will be huge while in reality its not
Thanks! The 1080 Ti is simply there to give us a high framerate @ 1080p and create a bottleneck. It would be the same result if you used a GTX 1060 / 1070 @ very low settings. Framerate i.e. the rate at which the CPU is firing draw calls is the main load here.
Optimum Tech Yeah I understand that, it is ofc only logical to use most powerful gpu available to isolate the cpu performance, I was just saying that its kinda shame that nobody seems to benchmark more midrange gpu's in these kind of videos, it would be nice to see what majority of users could expect as a reference. Ofc its double the amount of work to add a second gpu and this is in the end just a cpu comparison, maybe in another kind video then :D
Yeah 1080 Ti makes perfect sense only in the land of theoretical benchmarks. Now with the savings from the i5 8400 and a budget B360M motherboard, I may be convinced to spend some more on the gpu. But not like $500-600 more on a 1080 Ti. Also, it would be interesting to see if the 8400's gaming advantage decreases any with mid-range gpu's, especially if the Ryzen's multi-thread non-gaming performance advantages can be considered a permanently fixed factor.
Great video, super detailed and informative as always! I really enjoyed the way you added a darkened bar around the bar on the graph you were comparing and talking about, that makes it much easier to follow the "presentation" in a video format, great stuff! *One note, I personally found the 7zip graph a little too cluttered, the large numbers and close bars make it a difficult read and compare in a video, maybe an average bar for both results would be easier to observe or even a abbreviated number. If you insist on giving every detail possible you could just provide links to your numbers in the description. Just a proposition. Anyhow, with the quality and detail of your video production and the amount on information you give you are currently my n°1 tech reviewer, and i follow a lot. Noone is reviewing like a consumer the way you are and some details you mention I find very important, while most other tech channels would just gloss over it or not even mention it. I appreciate the time you put into you production and making sure you give reliable results a lot. Keep up the great work!
Edit: great presentation, I5 8400 looks to be pretty future proof. I'm surprised at what a great value the i3 is though, for most things at $99 it's pretty amazing. B and H motherboards are right around the corner, I've been hearing this since December. I hear new Nvidia gpus are also "coming out real soon" Could be next week , could be early August, waiting sucks. Sandy/Ivy used xenons with included ram can be a great value if you can get a good price and still find a new mobo or mod the used mobo into a large case and get an adapter for the psu conversion to a new one.
i had i7 8400 paired up with gtx 1070 ti 32gb ram and i can say from my experience it was shite, i sold it on thank fuck got i7 8700 non k model i am in heaven this thing is lighting fast at everything, i can tell you do not touch 8400 if they were giving it away...
I love my R5 1600 and honestly can’t wait to see what AMD has coming. Intel does have some great choices for Coffee Lake, it’s just those ridiculous Z370 boards that kill it for me.
Thanks for all of the great informations that you put into a calm and pleasant presentation. This is everything I looked for in a tech channel. Subbed!
Thank god for having a Siege Benchmark! Asking for testing on competetive settings (low/med woth no AA) is propably too much, it's great that it's bee'in included anyway :)
pretty much always been since its out .. nobody was talking about it that's it ... here in Canada its always been almost 50$ less than the 1600 ..if the cheaper mb come out soon i think i will grab one .. The only reason its not a good choice now its because only Z series mb are out .. 1 month the cheaper mb will be out and the 8400 will be hard to get until the 8500 come out lol but i think the 8500 will be better
While I genuinely respect your opinion here on the value of the i5 8400 (and undoubtedly that thing rocks) I would personally chosen the 8350k over this chip. Based between 169.99 and 179.99 its very close... and while you lose two cores you can instead overclock to 5.0 ghz with a good board. Now I know you consider the price of the board here as part of the budget factor which may be the biggest reason to choose this over the i3 8350k as a dedicated gaming processor, but it also doesn't look like the 8100 and 8300 are too behind either. Seems like less and less performance is getting eeked out of ever generation.
By the time these motherboard even come around, Ryzen+ will be here anyways. An R5 2600x with a turbo of 4.25ghz, could probably OC to 4.4 like what's reported of the 2700x (aka, so will the 2600 in some cases). So I mean, that gaming gap is going to be pretty much gone, but you get a free double threads .-. Intel really shot themselves in the foot with the platform. If they just released those damn mobos sooner, they might of stood a chance. I went 1600 for the entire reason :s Also, why are your Ryzen single threaded scores so low? Your 1600 at 3.9 only got 152, where as mine at 3.8 always gets me 156. You should be getting 159/160 .-.
Would've liked to see the Siege benchmark done without 2xTXAA. As I and a vast majority of the Siege playerbase play at 1080p, it would've been more valuable to see the difference between CPUs.
i have i7 4790k but im fan of ryzen series. Yes intel for pure gaming is slightly faster, but in the long term ryzen gives extra cores which helps on "futureproofing" . Single core performance is not the best but its enough.
“Update March 27, 2018: Leaked images from CanardPC's Ryzen 7 2700X review have appeared on Reddit, highlighting a few of the key performance tests the French magazine has carried out on the new Pinnacle Ridge chip. In their tests it shows the Core i5 8400 still has the edge in gaming terms, even if the 2700X has managed to improve its clockspeeds and has an extra two cores. What the CanardPC also shows is that power consumption has gone way up since the Ryzen 7 1800X, in line with its general processing performance”
Jmack have you been following anything related to ryzen ? ive yet to see anyone disappointed with current gen ryzen .. i doubt anyone would be a disappointed with an even faster variant.
King of value? Not really... The 8600k has the potential to offer much better performance for what, less than 50 extra dollars? Or the 8700 which offers much, much better multi--core performance for only 100$ more. IMHO if you have 180$ for an 8400, you should save up a tad bit more and get either an 8600k and z370 board (you may end up paying about 100$ more in total) or get the 8700 and be set for the future (100$ more for another 5-6 years with that CPU sounds crazy good value to me)
I would love to hear your thoughts between the unlocked i3 8350k and i5 8400 as well! Two chips prices similar, with one having less cores/threads but unlocked. Thanks, great video as always!
Optimum Tech The comparisons seem to be pretty neck and neck! Having a locked chip would drive me crazy, even with the added cores/threads, but surely a great overall package for the price.
This suffers a case of too little too late. You can buy an overclockable AMD CPU with twice as many threads, a higher base clock, a WAY better included cooler and an overclocking capable motherboard for the same price as this locked CPU with a non overclocking capable motherboard. And with Zen+ right around the corner it looks even less compelling.
Mystic_ 112 It is just faster in games, and I believe a CPU in this price range is most likely not going to be paired with a 1080ti, specially with how expensive they are right now.
lol, everyone knows AMD does amazing CPUs for multi-core stuff. These CPUs will be a hot buy 5 years from now when games start to use more than 4 Cores. But Intel has the better game performance for sure. Dominating the market has an effect on games being more Intel friendly, as well as RAM sticks.
basically if your gaming. just get an i5 since they are now about the same price and the i5 8400 never once falls below the ryzen cpu's even overclocked.
Great video BTW but I am also interested to know how much of a performance hit the i5-8400 or the i3-8100 will get once they are used with B or H motherboards since the RAM will be locked ath 2666Mhz?
I was going for this one till i saw the comparison of playing while streaming vs the 1600, so decided to wait for the 2600 to see which path ill go next.
Great video sub’d! I’m the guy still running an i7-920 and I just swapped out the amd 6970 2gb gpu fir an nvjdia 1080. A little overkill but I decided to build a new budget pc for the 1080 and keep the 920/6970 for the kids. As of sept 2018 do you guys still reccomend the i5-8400 as a good bang/buck gaming cpu? I do nothing else besides fortnite, wow, cs and xhamster
Explain this statement: "You are not gonna get any productive use out of a 8700k on those boards... " If the mobo doesn't burst up into flames(spoiler : it doesn't) an 8700k is gonna run the same if not better since any upcoming chipset is gonna be a budget one. I am really interested in why that is.
I'm referring to running an 8700K on a budget Z370 board, compared to a more premium one. There's a huge difference in OC potential, VRM cooling and component longevity on a premium board. If you are truly using the 8700K for what it's meant to do, budget Z370 boards should be avoided.
It's not going to run the same on a cheap z370 board vs a decent one. If i remember correctly, there are reports of 8700 on OEM z370 boards running 15-20% slower than youtubers' reviews because of the horrible vrm and cooling. So yeah, i'd suggest doing some research on the boards you're going to buy, not just go for the cheapest ones.
Optimum Tech der8auer did a comparison test of 4 cheap z370 boards, and by and large those chosen did very well. (English version is here ua-cam.com/video/xbLeuxIzxcA/v-deo.html) Personally (FOR WHAT I NEED) I will be getting an mATX ASRock Z370M mobo which is only £100 now with either an 8400, 8500, or 8600. I believe all of the new CPUs and boards will be here in the next 10 days and whilst Ryzen 2000 looks good FOR MY USAGE I need an Intel CPU, there are certain things AMD cannot do as well (unfortunately that's the reason, otherwise it might be different).
Both the 8400 and 1600 can be found at pretty much the same price, but overall platform cost until b360 comes out is significantly higher on coffeelake. I'd also argue that the 1600 is almost last gen at this point too
Intel is/was making much less per CPU this time around, so they had to push the more expensive chipset(Z370) to make similar profit margins compared to the prior lineup.
na fam. my b350 mobos can OC and they have future ahead. too late intel. I have r3 1200 @4ghz. I am lookking forwards of seeing good singlethreated performance out of 2000 lineup
if you are going to use a cheap z370 with upgrading later in mind (like he just recommended agaisnt) go with the asrock z370 pro4 or the asrock extreme 4 or the killer sli with the pro4 coming in at around 110 and the others under 150. asrock skimps a bit less on the base parts (like vrm's) than other companies do at least then gen. just my opinion
just ordered the i5 8400 and gigabyte b360 motherboard from amazon swapping out of a case a dual core cpu and putting in the i5 8400 with a rx 580 8 gig card.
The i5 8400 seems to cut it's way through gaming effortlessly at present. But the real question is how well would it stack up in the next 2 to 3 years when games start getting even more CPU intensive. The best value Intel has to offer right now is the i7 8700k; provides the perfect balance of gaming and productivity. According to me an Intel chip without hyper threading is one that is handicapped
Vikram Bhaskar ... that‘s the same question that you can ask after release of every CPU generation. If you want future proof hardware, Computers are not for you.
M. Molli if you see the current status of semiconductor market, its battling for cores in the mainstream segment. Intel is already set to release a new 8 core i7 cpu in the coffee lake s lineup along with Z390 chipset. Ryzen may also see a major improvement next year with Zen 2. For the first time we are fortunate to see some fierce competition like this. Now given all this do you seriously wanna handicap yourself buying a locked non hyper threaded i5 chip having only 6 threads? The choice you make now will greatly benefit you in the future once the CPU market returns dormant. Hope you get what I'm saying
Sure I get what you mean. See, I'm still using the i5 3570K (Q2 2012) and I can't say the CPU doesn't fulfill its purposes. However I'm about to buy the 8600K and I'm sure this one will serve me well for the next 4 to 5 years. If I had more spare cash, I would get up-to-date hardware more often, simply because it rocks. It's a compromise, you know ... cause if you want top hardware, thinking it's more future proof, you pay a significant premium. Instead you could step down and just upgrade sooner rather than later.
M. Molli 8600k is a good choice if you need excellent CPU for games. I changed my i5 3470 to i5 8600k a month ago and improvement in performance is great. For example score in Cinebench R15 on 3470 was 129/481 and on 8600k @4.8 it's 211/1210. Thanks to best singlecore performance I got huge performance boost in my favourite games that use only few cores. On 3470 I got lags at late game in EU4 and CK2, because 1 core was hitting 100% usage, and now everything runs smoothly even at late game load is around 60-70% on main thread. Also with 60fps lock in AC:Origins usage across all cores is 60-75% and only in few places on the map it goes to 85% (Library in Alexandria for example).
For 1080p 60fps gaming you can notice the difference between an i5 8600k and ryzen 5 1600 OC 3.8ghz. so why not get ryzen and have the benefit of extra threads?
Why didn't you included r5 2400g since both of them has same price range & also 2400g comes with Vega 11 graphics paired even with a 1060 can give better results.
any word on the cooling that comes included with the 8400? I wanna know whether it is a good option or whether a seperate cpu cooling system would be benefitial? bare a budget build in mind, I dont want to have to buy water cooling if its simply overkill
Well im a bit late but im planning on getting a b360 mobo with this cpu. Its 80$ and and the cpu is around 160-200. For the preformance its seems like a great deal. plus the b360m support 8th and 9th gen, so im thinking of getting the 8400 and then waiting to and save up for a 9900k. Of the 9900k dropps in price in te future then that is goign to be amazing.
Thanks for the video. Looking at building a new machine. I love my current machine from 2013 from ibuypowerpc but I'm getting the itch again. For what it's worth your I5 link goes to the i3 and your i3 link goes to the I5. Which motherboard and memory would you pair with this CPU? I'd like to do raid 0 with two m.2 nvme 960 pros. with two m.2 slots direcftly on the mobo.
Lol I got a beast of a system with the 8600k and a cheap z370 gigabyte board. With junk thermal paste and air it's running at 4.9ghz with a max temp of 77c
I’m buying a gaming pc and I’m not sure if I would get a pc with i5 or i7. What would be better for a beginner? Very lost. I have no clue what any thing is the pc means and is used for.
![Intel Core i5-8400 [B360] vs. AMD Ryzen 5 1600 [B350]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4fd_GXFBUtk/mqdefault.jpg)
I watch a lot of pc/tech channels on youtube, and I must say that your channel is one of my favorites. Your videos are so aesthetically pleasing to watch and very informative. Always relevant and interesting information. You deserve more subs! Keep up the good work!
Wow thanks a lot! Thank you for the support
But I'm TheValueKing!
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Haha!
the I5 9600K is just almost the same price of 8600
@@dmt99vn Bought my 9600K for 283 Euro last week, i only play games.
you have good videography skills.......make a video how u do this?
Sam Blake yes i want it too
Not quite there yet but thanks! Maybe in the future.
Building a Gaming focused System, and the i5 8600K seems to be a really good chip with focus on Gaming and a good price. Maybe there is no need to go for the 8700K.
I got a core i5 8400 and a gtx 1070. Works perfect.
@Fun for CHEAP get a 570 it preforms 30% better than the 1050ti and they dropped in price dramatically you can get one for like 80$ if you look hard enough. If you have the $ got a 590 it is like 40% faster than the 570
@Fun for CHEAP idk man roblocks at a higher graphics would be dope
Chris Glisson sale as you but GTX 1660Ti
Ye bro I’m getting the i5-8400 with a gtx 1070ti
I have 1060
Another wicked sweet looking Vid from Optimum Tech. Really dugg the "rewind" off all your previous B-roll. Cool stuff & fair talking points. I think the later half of 2018 will be interesting.
Holy shit, love that Rewind intro!
Man.. your cinematography.. just beautiful. Bit sore on the subject though haha, but only because I've literally only just bought an i5 8400 and z370 board that wasn't needed.. ahh well.
It's so weird, this is the second time this year that you produce pretty much the exact video that i need.. :P
Yes, i've been eyeing the 8400 for a SFF build i've been working on in a NES that i converted to house PC hardware. But, i am waiting for the B series motherboards, and i have been for months now. Getting pretty sick of it tbh. But, it's not worth investing in a Z series board either way, as even if i got a K series CPU, there's simply no thermal headroom for overclocking in that build. I'm even planning on delidding the 8400 just to improve temps, as it will more than likely gain me a fair few degrees lower temps, which could be the difference between throttling or no, in this case..
The only reason i haven't already picked up the CPU is, that rumors suggest that an 8500 will be arriving along with the B series boards. The only difference will be a couple hundred mhz clock speeds, but i'll take it if the price is similar. I'm guessing it'll slot in at the 8400's current price, and that the price will be lowered just a bit on the 8400. It's just a guess, but it's based on past experience, so as long as the boards aren't out yet, i might as well wait to see if this CPU will arrive also. :)
What i'm REALLY afraid of, is that the B series boards will arrive, but that there won't be any mITX boards at launch. If i have to wait even longer for those, then i'll just go with Ryzen.
There are many tech reviewers on youtube,
But the 1st reason I subscribed to your channel is becouse you have some serious professional video editing skills.
Thumps Up.
Great video! my i5 8400 arrived yesterday just waiting for the cheap mobos to complete the combo.
i had i7 8400 paired up with gtx 1070 ti 32gb ram and i can say from my experience it was shite, i sold it on thank fuck got i7 8700 non k model i am in heaven this thing is lighting fast at everything, i can tell you do not touch 8400 if they were giving it away...
@christian camilletti you are a lucky one i had to sell mine do to shitty slow performance, if you know some one with 8700 test it next to each other and you will see the difference...
Really love your videos and I must say the quality just keeps on improving! I understand why you use 1080ti for cpu benchmarking but it would be nice to throw a few gtx 1060/more "realistic" gpu benchmarks in just to showcase what kind of performance you can expect with gpu you would usually pair with cpu's in this price range, just my 2cents tho
I know that many people who are really interested in these things will know the difference but for someone who's new to pc building this might lead them to thinking that performace differences for their midrange build will be huge while in reality its not
Thanks!
The 1080 Ti is simply there to give us a high framerate @ 1080p and create a bottleneck.
It would be the same result if you used a GTX 1060 / 1070 @ very low settings.
Framerate i.e. the rate at which the CPU is firing draw calls is the main load here.
Optimum Tech Yeah I understand that, it is ofc only logical to use most powerful gpu available to isolate the cpu performance, I was just saying that its kinda shame that nobody seems to benchmark more midrange gpu's in these kind of videos, it would be nice to see what majority of users could expect as a reference. Ofc its double the amount of work to add a second gpu and this is in the end just a cpu comparison, maybe in another kind video then :D
+Arno Kalliokorpi
Tech Deals Gaming youtube channel usually does midrange gpu benchmark videos...
so true
Yeah 1080 Ti makes perfect sense only in the land of theoretical benchmarks. Now with the savings from the i5 8400 and a budget B360M motherboard, I may be convinced to spend some more on the gpu. But not like $500-600 more on a 1080 Ti. Also, it would be interesting to see if the 8400's gaming advantage decreases any with mid-range gpu's, especially if the Ryzen's multi-thread non-gaming performance advantages can be considered a permanently fixed factor.
Seriously happy I found your channel bro. I am indeed impressed with your delivery. Very well done, very thorough and exceptional delivery. Cheers!
I5 8400 rtx 2060 16 GB DDr4, Absolut beast!
This video finally gave me a reason to subscribe! Seen so far some of your videos and you seem to do really high quality content :)
My 8400 is absolutely fantastic, I've been shocked by it's performance since owning it. It's a fucking steal for the price and how well it does.
Great video, super detailed and informative as always!
I really enjoyed the way you added a darkened bar around the bar on the graph you were comparing and talking about, that makes it much easier to follow the "presentation" in a video format, great stuff!
*One note, I personally found the 7zip graph a little too cluttered, the large numbers and close bars make it a difficult read and compare in a video, maybe an average bar for both results would be easier to observe or even a abbreviated number.
If you insist on giving every detail possible you could just provide links to your numbers in the description. Just a proposition.
Anyhow, with the quality and detail of your video production and the amount on information you give you are currently my n°1 tech reviewer, and i follow a lot. Noone is reviewing like a consumer the way you are and some details you mention I find very important, while most other tech channels would just gloss over it or not even mention it. I appreciate the time you put into you production and making sure you give reliable results a lot.
Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the kind words and also for the suggestion!
holy shit, i just insta liked after the 0:52 mark.. so fricken dope dude! just that rewind and the beat
Edit: great presentation, I5 8400 looks to be pretty future proof. I'm surprised at what a great value the i3 is though, for most things at $99 it's pretty amazing.
B and H motherboards are right around the corner, I've been hearing this since December. I hear new Nvidia gpus are also "coming out real soon"
Could be next week , could be early August, waiting sucks.
Sandy/Ivy used xenons with included ram can be a great value if you can get a good price and still find a new mobo or mod the used mobo into a large case and get an adapter for the psu conversion to a new one.
whats the best mobo for this ?
i had i7 8400 paired up with gtx 1070 ti 32gb ram and i can say from my experience it was shite, i sold it on thank fuck got i7 8700 non k model i am in heaven this thing is lighting fast at everything, i can tell you do not touch 8400 if they were giving it away...
I love my R5 1600 and honestly can’t wait to see what AMD has coming. Intel does have some great choices for Coffee Lake, it’s just those ridiculous Z370 boards that kill it for me.
your wish has come true
The video helped me to see if the chip is what I needed for my first build and it is. Thanks for the video.
Amazing edit as always, appreciate your work.
Your intro is a great peace of art.
I have an i5-8400 and its a beast for the price
This chip is somthing ive been looking at as a great value aswell. ( and that montage at the beginning was somthing else)
Thanks for all of the great informations that you put into a calm and pleasant presentation. This is everything I looked for in a tech channel. Subbed!
Haha it used to be the E8400 now it's the i5 8400!
Lol i'm using one of those!
yes, I remember wanting to buy e8400, but they were out of the stock at the time due to popularity, so I had to buy e8200
This Channel Is Growing so Much!😍
Thank god for having a Siege Benchmark! Asking for testing on competetive settings (low/med woth no AA) is propably too much, it's great that it's bee'in included anyway :)
pretty much always been since its out .. nobody was talking about it that's it ... here in Canada its always been almost 50$ less than the 1600 ..if the cheaper mb come out soon i think i will grab one .. The only reason its not a good choice now its because only Z series mb are out .. 1 month the cheaper mb will be out and the 8400 will be hard to get until the 8500 come out lol but i think the 8500 will be better
I was literally just deciding between this or a r5 1600/1700 for a youtuber friend, thank you.
While I genuinely respect your opinion here on the value of the i5 8400 (and undoubtedly that thing rocks) I would personally chosen the 8350k over this chip. Based between 169.99 and 179.99 its very close... and while you lose two cores you can instead overclock to 5.0 ghz with a good board. Now I know you consider the price of the board here as part of the budget factor which may be the biggest reason to choose this over the i3 8350k as a dedicated gaming processor, but it also doesn't look like the 8100 and 8300 are too behind either. Seems like less and less performance is getting eeked out of ever generation.
wow, great editing work.
By the time these motherboard even come around, Ryzen+ will be here anyways. An R5 2600x with a turbo of 4.25ghz, could probably OC to 4.4 like what's reported of the 2700x (aka, so will the 2600 in some cases). So I mean, that gaming gap is going to be pretty much gone, but you get a free double threads .-. Intel really shot themselves in the foot with the platform. If they just released those damn mobos sooner, they might of stood a chance. I went 1600 for the entire reason :s
Also, why are your Ryzen single threaded scores so low? Your 1600 at 3.9 only got 152, where as mine at 3.8 always gets me 156. You should be getting 159/160 .-.
scores are within the silicon difference that exists between individual cpu of the same a sku
He must have an awful CPU then. I've seen dozens of videos on the 1600 at this point, and they've all been consistent with my own score
Agreed.
Regarding the scores, I haven't really checked out other's scores. If you got higher, that's great.
Maybe I just have faster ram, I'm using 3200, and it brought my scroe at 3.8 from 154 to 156 vs my old 2400 kit. Well anyways, great video! :D
I'm pretty sure he uses 3200mhz as well
Would've liked to see the Siege benchmark done without 2xTXAA. As I and a vast majority of the Siege playerbase play at 1080p, it would've been more valuable to see the difference between CPUs.
i have i7 4790k but im fan of ryzen series. Yes intel for pure gaming is slightly faster, but in the long term ryzen gives extra cores which helps on "futureproofing" . Single core performance is not the best but its enough.
Why do reversed cinematic scenes look so good ? Great Vid
You have awesome editing skills ^^
r5 2600 :)
Looking forward to it :)
“Update March 27, 2018: Leaked images from CanardPC's Ryzen 7 2700X review have appeared on Reddit, highlighting a few of the key performance tests the French magazine has carried out on the new Pinnacle Ridge chip.
In their tests it shows the Core i5 8400 still has the edge in gaming terms, even if the 2700X has managed to improve its clockspeeds and has an extra two cores. What the CanardPC also shows is that power consumption has gone way up since the Ryzen 7 1800X, in line with its general processing performance”
Lol Lol they tested on a320 mainboard with old games which don’t scale with cores haha... dude that test is useless 😂
when will it be available? :D
Jmack have you been following anything related to ryzen ? ive yet to see anyone disappointed with current gen ryzen .. i doubt anyone would be a disappointed with an even faster variant.
just ordered my i5 8400 and Z370 today - damn it..... 8)
Keep up the great work lad.
Amazing video quality.
King of value? Not really... The 8600k has the potential to offer much better performance for what, less than 50 extra dollars? Or the 8700 which offers much, much better multi--core performance for only 100$ more. IMHO if you have 180$ for an 8400, you should save up a tad bit more and get either an 8600k and z370 board (you may end up paying about 100$ more in total) or get the 8700 and be set for the future (100$ more for another 5-6 years with that CPU sounds crazy good value to me)
The rewind was pretty cool but a litzle too long in my opinion. But I really like your videos, best wishes
I would love to hear your thoughts between the unlocked i3 8350k and i5 8400 as well! Two chips prices similar, with one having less cores/threads but unlocked. Thanks, great video as always!
i5 8400 every day.
4 Cores / 4 Threads is showing it's age in gaming today.
Optimum Tech The comparisons seem to be pretty neck and neck! Having a locked chip would drive me crazy, even with the added cores/threads, but surely a great overall package for the price.
Well at the moment with the whole black friday thing.. i5 8600k is literally $10 more, so it really depends on the current pricing.
This suffers a case of too little too late. You can buy an overclockable AMD CPU with twice as many threads, a higher base clock, a WAY better included cooler and an overclocking capable motherboard for the same price as this locked CPU with a non overclocking capable motherboard. And with Zen+ right around the corner it looks even less compelling.
ElZamo92 with all that it still gets beaten by this lmaoo
Mystic_ 112 It is just faster in games, and I believe a CPU in this price range is most likely not going to be paired with a 1080ti, specially with how expensive they are right now.
ElZamo92 ?? 1080ti?? it is faster in games.. and who buys a cpu in this price range for amything else? :D
The scores in games are clear: i5-8400 (stock) is overall better than all Ryzen cpus (overclocked). And yet you still talk shit.
Will the b360 ones overclock?
rocking the i5 8400 + asrock h310m + zotac 1080 ti on my rog swift pg279q and boom 100+ fps on every game @ 2560x1440 ultra settings.
Sick editing 👌🏼
lol, everyone knows AMD does amazing CPUs for multi-core stuff. These CPUs will be a hot buy 5 years from now when games start to use more than 4 Cores.
But Intel has the better game performance for sure. Dominating the market has an effect on games being more Intel friendly, as well as RAM sticks.
basically if your gaming. just get an i5 since they are now about the same price and the i5 8400 never once falls below the ryzen cpu's even overclocked.
Well it does make sense to buy a z370 with a i5-8400, it provides an upgrade path for the future.
Great video BTW but I am also interested to know how much of a performance hit the i5-8400 or the i3-8100 will get once they are used with B or H motherboards since the RAM will be locked ath 2666Mhz?
I was going for this one till i saw the comparison of playing while streaming vs the 1600, so decided to wait for the 2600 to see which path ill go next.
Great video sub’d! I’m the guy still running an i7-920 and I just swapped out the amd 6970 2gb gpu fir an nvjdia 1080. A little overkill but I decided to build a new budget pc for the 1080 and keep the 920/6970 for the kids.
As of sept 2018 do you guys still reccomend the i5-8400 as a good bang/buck gaming cpu? I do nothing else besides fortnite, wow, cs and xhamster
yeah but xhamster lowkeydead
Explain this statement: "You are not gonna get any productive use out of a 8700k on those boards... "
If the mobo doesn't burst up into flames(spoiler : it doesn't) an 8700k is gonna run the same if not better since any upcoming chipset is gonna be a budget one. I am really interested in why that is.
I'm referring to running an 8700K on a budget Z370 board, compared to a more premium one.
There's a huge difference in OC potential, VRM cooling and component longevity on a premium board.
If you are truly using the 8700K for what it's meant to do, budget Z370 boards should be avoided.
It's not going to run the same on a cheap z370 board vs a decent one. If i remember correctly, there are reports of 8700 on OEM z370 boards running 15-20% slower than youtubers' reviews because of the horrible vrm and cooling.
So yeah, i'd suggest doing some research on the boards you're going to buy, not just go for the cheapest ones.
so at this point, if you want upgradeability you could only consider expensive z370 boards since h370 and h310 are not aimed at overclockers?
Optimum Tech der8auer did a comparison test of 4 cheap z370 boards, and by and large those chosen did very well. (English version is here ua-cam.com/video/xbLeuxIzxcA/v-deo.html) Personally (FOR WHAT I NEED) I will be getting an mATX ASRock Z370M mobo which is only £100 now with either an 8400, 8500, or 8600. I believe all of the new CPUs and boards will be here in the next 10 days and whilst Ryzen 2000 looks good FOR MY USAGE I need an Intel CPU, there are certain things AMD cannot do as well (unfortunately that's the reason, otherwise it might be different).
Will the b360 boards overclock?
very informative...just a quick question are you using stock cooler on the i5 8400??
You should also be giving prices in AU as well.
AMD still has the single core performance issue it seems... 8400 has 15% faster single core speed than the Ryzen 1700.
Rx 1600 is the value king. Its slightly (unnoticeably) 5% slower in gaming (if you use a 1080+) but Much (noticeably) faster 40% in productivity!
I think its already too late for i5 8400 in terms of value
Overall, is better in games and cheaper than all Ryzen cpus. Why is it late again?
Minus Ryzen 2nd gen almost here
Both the 8400 and 1600 can be found at pretty much the same price, but overall platform cost until b360 comes out is significantly higher on coffeelake.
I'd also argue that the 1600 is almost last gen at this point too
Yeah....and will offer 5% increase in FPS and will be 30% more expensive than current Ryzen. Intel's 8C/16T king is coming as well.
Will the b360 boards overclock?
Great vid wow super helpful
We really need B360 Motherboards to let the Core i5-8400 really shine on the budget PC Sky
im a intel fan since 2002
Budget z370 is fine for a moderate OC so you still get some type of performance boost.
I was under the impression that the budget boards for coffee lake would max out at 2666 for the RAM.......
Intel is/was making much less per CPU this time around, so they had to push the more expensive chipset(Z370) to make similar profit margins compared to the prior lineup.
The shot with the processor in the coco beans made me cringe
It's an old i5-760 used for those shots, lol.
@@optimumtech okay thank god
na fam. my b350 mobos can OC and they have future ahead. too late intel. I have r3 1200 @4ghz. I am lookking forwards of seeing good singlethreated performance out of 2000 lineup
Is a 1700 for $200 better cpu than 8400? Overclocking is NOT relevent anymore with these new chips!
Depends if they release the budget motherboards
Ryzen is still the value king.
It never was. Haswell i7 and i5 are the value kings.
no g4560 is better for gaming
Ryzen has been dominating the value segment since its release , nothing from intel can touch it. period.
Watching i5 8400 vs r5 1600, i was all like "holy shit, the i5 8400 is insane"
But then i realized the workload was 48% vs 10%
As I have said, Intel is gaming king and ryzen is editing king. Im not fanboy, I just have watched reviews..
I have a i5 8400 with an MSI Z370 but with what you said about overclocking, I might upgrade to the i7 8700 then instead of the K version
if you are going to use a cheap z370 with upgrading later in mind (like he just recommended agaisnt) go with the asrock z370 pro4 or the asrock extreme 4 or the killer sli with the pro4 coming in at around 110 and the others under 150. asrock skimps a bit less on the base parts (like vrm's) than other companies do at least then gen. just my opinion
The only problem is the lack of budget motherboard for i5 8400
The most importing thing, do you get a i5 sticker in the package?
Just get a Ryzen 5 or 7. You can get a R7 for about $150 if you're lucky enough to have a microcenter near you
just ordered the i5 8400 and gigabyte b360 motherboard from amazon swapping out of a case a dual core cpu and putting in the i5 8400 with a rx 580 8 gig card.
Well how is your pc now
The i5 8400 seems to cut it's way through gaming effortlessly at present. But the real question is how well would it stack up in the next 2 to 3 years when games start getting even more CPU intensive. The best value Intel has to offer right now is the i7 8700k; provides the perfect balance of gaming and productivity. According to me an Intel chip without hyper threading is one that is handicapped
Vikram Bhaskar ... that‘s the same question that you can ask after release of every CPU generation. If you want future proof hardware, Computers are not for you.
M. Molli if you see the current status of semiconductor market, its battling for cores in the mainstream segment. Intel is already set to release a new 8 core i7 cpu in the coffee lake s lineup along with Z390 chipset. Ryzen may also see a major improvement next year with Zen 2. For the first time we are fortunate to see some fierce competition like this. Now given all this do you seriously wanna handicap yourself buying a locked non hyper threaded i5 chip having only 6 threads? The choice you make now will greatly benefit you in the future once the CPU market returns dormant. Hope you get what I'm saying
Sure I get what you mean.
See, I'm still using the i5 3570K (Q2 2012) and I can't say the CPU doesn't fulfill its purposes. However I'm about to buy the 8600K and I'm sure this one will serve me well for the next 4 to 5 years. If I had more spare cash, I would get up-to-date hardware more often, simply because it rocks. It's a compromise, you know ... cause if you want top hardware, thinking it's more future proof, you pay a significant premium. Instead you could step down and just upgrade sooner rather than later.
M. Molli
8600k is a good choice if you need excellent CPU for games. I changed my i5 3470 to i5 8600k a month ago and improvement in performance is great. For example score in Cinebench R15 on 3470 was 129/481 and on 8600k @4.8 it's 211/1210. Thanks to best singlecore performance I got huge performance boost in my favourite games that use only few cores. On 3470 I got lags at late game in EU4 and CK2, because 1 core was hitting 100% usage, and now everything runs smoothly even at late game load is around 60-70% on main thread. Also with 60fps lock in AC:Origins usage across all cores is 60-75% and only in few places on the map it goes to 85% (Library in Alexandria for example).
For 1080p 60fps gaming you can notice the difference between an i5 8600k and ryzen 5 1600 OC 3.8ghz. so why not get ryzen and have the benefit of extra threads?
Is 8400 good for multi tasking like video editing. Watching bluray videos. Anything not game related. Just for workstation?
Just ordered tonight... From X5690.. Hope it will increase my fps..
this could have been the Ryzen killer if it was released with a cheap H board, but too little too late.
Bro U deserve more subscribers
is the i5 8400 good to pair up with the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB?
can it run red dead redemption 2 with 1050ti???
something that i7 8700k can run away from games beats R7 1800x in games , runs 3.8ghz all cores was relevant for gamers anyway
Why didn't you included r5 2400g since both of them has same price range & also 2400g comes with Vega 11 graphics paired even with a 1060 can give better results.
I was thinking in building a whole descktop in april.. ill just wait a bit! :V
And maybe gpu go a bit more down..
any word on the cooling that comes included with the 8400? I wanna know whether it is a good option or whether a seperate cpu cooling system would be benefitial? bare a budget build in mind, I dont want to have to buy water cooling if its simply overkill
Did you test i5 8400 with 3200 mhz ram Or the 2666 mhz that will be supported by B360 boards?
Well im a bit late but im planning on getting a b360 mobo with this cpu. Its 80$ and and the cpu is around 160-200. For the preformance its seems like a great deal. plus the b360m support 8th and 9th gen, so im thinking of getting the 8400 and then waiting to and save up for a 9900k. Of the 9900k dropps in price in te future then that is goign to be amazing.
I'm getting a r5 1600 for 168 euros and i'll upgrade in 2019.I hope the motherboard will support the 3rd gen ryzen
It's not worth is since we still don't have the B and H boards. They said Q1 but STILL NOTHING
I got it with the Msi z370 gaming plus :D
Intel and value do NOT go hand in hand, and with the GPU prices staying high I will go with a Ryzen. Intel can kiss my a**.
hi, from 2020
Skip the current CPUs. R5 3600 will the insane. 7nm baby. Waiting for some sweet Navi GPUs for my mining farm :)
Thanks for the video. Looking at building a new machine. I love my current machine from 2013 from ibuypowerpc but I'm getting the itch again. For what it's worth your I5 link goes to the i3 and your i3 link goes to the I5. Which motherboard and memory would you pair with this CPU? I'd like to do raid 0 with two m.2 nvme 960 pros. with two m.2 slots direcftly on the mobo.
Lol I got a beast of a system with the 8600k and a cheap z370 gigabyte board. With junk thermal paste and air it's running at 4.9ghz with a max temp of 77c
I’m buying a gaming pc and I’m not sure if I would get a pc with i5 or i7. What would be better for a beginner? Very lost. I have no clue what any thing is the pc means and is used for.