Hi everyone, this is my pc in the video. I am forever grateful to Greg for fixing this for me, the original problem in the build was constant boot cycling, not the motherboard being fried. I suppose I accidentally plugged the floppy cable in while I was putting it back together and was too sleep deprived to notice. As for the GPU, it is long gone now and replaced with an actual on brand 2080-ti. I know the computer was dirty as I did not have any compressed air or cleaning supplies and the case is way too small to get in there and really clean. If you have any questions lmk.
I had bought a few prebuilts before, but decided to build my next PC. While building it I told myself there is no way I would leave the plastic on the AIO coldplate. Got the motherboard in the case and realized I didn't put the AIO backplate on the motherboard. Took it back out, threw the backplate on and promptly proceeded to install the AIO with the plastic on the coldplate. Luckily I caught it right away, so it was just a matter of a bit more thermal paste, but the moral of the story is mistakes happen. Don't sweat it.
I know all about how long it takes to troubleshoot a wonky system. By the end of the day you're in no shape to put it back together sometimes. Congrats on the new system! Hope you get a long life out of it :)
My favorite part of these is watching how confident Greg is. I cant so much as reseat my RAM without having some kind of existential crisis and Anxiety that doesn't go away until everything is back up and running. Great to see and will always be happy to see a fix or flop.
you just gotta get in there and get your hands dirty. but use all the old school car mechanic techniques. lay everything out in a pattern so that you can reassemble it in reverse. stuff like that. It's not that scary once you've swapped your processor a couple times and flashed your bios successfully a few times lol
My old system had uptimes of 600 to 800 days because I was afraid restarting alone would bring it to never Start up again. That happened a lot. Needed to run Windows repair which also failed a lot of times. Chkdsk helfen sometimes. Mind you my hdd Was from 3 Systems Backwards from 2004. The win 7 install from 2009 and Was in 3 systems before and never updates because Updates didnt work. Was a 3770k, 16 GB ddr3, 1070 and Windows 7 rig. I upgraded in 2022. That very hdd is still now in my System and running. It shows low health but it works as side storage to my m.2. I think the bearings ran down over the 20 years of constantly spinning so it vibrates a lot. so much so that even with decoupling my whole Bigtower will vibrate violently when it turns on and starts spinning. I'm surprised that the head can still read data from there.
Something that seems to slip away in these PC build/fix videos is grounding. Static is still a real component killer, and only takes a small zap from your fingers (which you won't see or feel) to kill a ram stick (commonly) or motherboard or CPU or even GPU at the worst end! Just be cautious and touch anything that's grounded before you handle your business. Just touch the edge of your case or the metal parts of components or edge of PCBs before handling anywhere else to equalise any potential build up and you'll be cool.
After you've put everything together and you have to wait a few seconds when you power on for a POST. The more seconds that pass the more your brain is running at 100MPH wondering what you've done wrong. Then you get a POST and feel mightily relieved ... Been there many times before and it still gets me every time.
I do air conditioning work. Every time you cut power and turn the power back on, there is a 5 minute time delay before the equipment starts. It is the longest 5 minutes of your life. Greg just triggered me in those few seconds of waiting for it to post lol!
@@ChairmanMeow1 Got a dell R730XD in my rack with 256Gb in it and it take's around 3 minutes to complete post before it boots into proxmox! Thankfully it's a server, so doesn't get rebooted that often. Thankfully it outputs a display/remote console during those 3 minutes.
When I was younger, only ever had 1 PC in the home. And you are right, makes troubleshooting tricky since you don't want to just waste money buying parts. Now days, we have a few different PC's. And that has made troubleshooting so much easier.
You're so right about having extra components to test on. I used to test on a friend's system if I had problems (and vice versa) but these days people use laptops so when my system refused to post and I got VGA light on my ezDebug LEDs I didn't have a system to test my GPU or Mobo. Stuck with a dead system and guessing it's my mobo that's dead. It really is a blessing and privilege to have extra components for testing when there's issues. Great educational video as usual Greg (incredibly jelly about that new PSU/Mobo)
Let me tell you, as soon as I saw the PSU at the start of the video, I expected a swap. What I did NOT expect was a 1000W Titanium replacement lmao. Thanks Greg for another great video!
Yeah, isn't RISC short for 'Reduced Instruction Set Computing'? Read: High End Non x86 Professional Server Hardware?? How dare they Bastardize that Acronym???
RGB PSUs are a bit cringy, but honestly as long as it lets you play games it is what it is. I love some RGB, but RGB in places you will never see is a little WTH??
@@Adamgreen735 My PC is full of RGB, but I don't understand why RGB would be put on a PSU, where it cant be seen?? Though I suppose if you don't have a PSU shroud maybe it would make more sense?
The "please" moment is something I identify so hard with when implementing fixes I know should work. The feeling of relief when it does work is amazing.
Greg, Ryzen boards always take a long time to post for the 1st time or when CPU or RAM is changed :) A tip for testing the motherboard with minimum risk - buy a buzzer (internal speaker), every motherboard have pins for it. For motherboards without digital or LED error code signaling this is the simplest way of testing if motherboard is at least alive. You don't even have to put CPU or RAM in it. You only risk PSU, which you've already connected. Also always test motherboard out of the system with the least components and cables connected. So many times I've seen shorts to the case, fried fan PCBs tripping safeguards, cables degraded after time etc. Not to mention obvious ones like damaged PSU or GPU.
With that floppy power connector on a usb header you either short 12v to ground, so the psu would shut down immediately. Or you send 12v onto the 5v rail, which almost certainly breaks stuff all around the board...
@@simply_the_dev7588 the 12 V short to ground? A -7 V on those parts should typically not be deadly, at least on the timescale in which the PSU shuts down and all caps discharge I would say. But I'm a physicist not an electrical engineer
Keeping your rig clean will help temps and reliability. I'm always cleaning my dust filters about every couple of weeks. A power duster is a great tool to get to do a more in-depth cleaning of the case like every 6 months. A clean PC is a happy PC.
When diagnosing issues without removing the initial hardware, I use and endoscope to my phone. It makes it a lot easier to see what is going on in hard to reach places, plus you have a light-source too. Spent 20+ years building and fixing Pcs, even down to making gart drivers.
Well done Greg!!! That was a tough one and , you're right! I was glad that you mentioned the ability to have extra components to use as a test bench that most don't have at their disposal. It really irritates me when content creators just gloss over the fact that most people don't have rooms full of spare parts to play with to diagnose a system. I don't know why that bothers me but it does. I also would like to give you much respect for what you do (and yes we know your sponsors help greatly with the costs) because it's rare to see someone just reach out to people to help and not expect anything in return. Imagine what our world would be like if more people did this type of thing? I do it all the time but my expertise is in construction and renovation. I've helped build dozens of Habitat For Humanity houses over the years and worked in areas effected by tornados and hurricanes all over the Southeast and Midwest and have been volunteering now for about 15 years. At 64, I'm finding I can't do the things I did just ten years ago but I will never stop trying to give back to my community in some way. That's how I'm built. It gives me hope to see the younger generation doing the same kind of thing! Love the channel and I'll keep watching cause even though I'm old, I still learn new things every day! Keep up the good work!
Got the same psu for my 13900k and 4080 combo, be quiet products are so beautiful. Always love seeing some cleaning done in the FoF videos, so satisfying to see a clean system. Looking forward to the next one :D
Glad to see that rig running smooth sailing again. That PSU is a massive, MASSIVE upgrade. That thing will last for eternity. Ty Greg for this awesome content! Always love your Fix or Flop videos.
That DRAM-less WD BLUE SN580 is excellent for thin and light laptops. 0:50 Blows away the previous SN570 and SN750, even choose it over the SN770. Note: Pick something like a Crucial P5 Plus or Samsung 980 Pro for desktop PC boot drives since power efficiency isn't everything.
I just really love this series. Most UA-camrs (companies excluded) don´t really do this. Like just showing how to fix something is soooo valuable and also important.
I love this series. Love everything about it. Trouble shooting. Really helped me think through and not panic when building my new build when the windows install kept being crazy, I had to factory reset twice but got it figured out.
This one was an expensive one Greg. The IBP PSU is ridiculous levels of overkill, I would consider it a lifetime PSU for most people. The buzzing noise was indicative of the power supply failing but I think the motherboard was fine just before the rig was sent to you. However, once the user reassembled and plugged in the floppy connector to the RGB connector on the motherboard and (probably) power cycled it for the last time that was the coup de grace for it.
That Floppy Molex connector being plugged where is was in that USB header, means either +5 to +5 and +12 to GND, or +12 to +5 and +5 to GND happened, depending which way it was plugged in, neither of which case, is likely recommended.
9:42 put playback at .25 when you turmed off the power supply you can see the rgb spark. I hate rgb anything it always cause some issues. But to see a spark with power off yikes
On my AMD Builds, I always use the APU Instead of the CPU.... the Ryzen 5 5600G works fine for gaming and I always go with a MINIMUM of 16GB of memory so the APU shows at least 2GB of video memory for the system. I very rarely use a GPU in the newer builds unless it is required by certain games and applications. Nice video Greg! Stay Safe!
Michigan here.. really a great video. I like the ones that show how some small mistake can cook components. I have been lucky to not kill anything to date but I did connect cables up wrong in the past and it took days and lots of stress before realizing my errors... guess that is why the motherboards come with manuals.
Before the end, I was hoping it was the fan controller that was making all the other things not working but glad everything worked out. Great job again Greg and hoping for the next episode!
I had that exact same "coil whine" buzzing problem from a brand new "EVGA 210-GQ-1000-V1." I have no idea what caused it and there were never any performance or booting issues with it. I did end up replacing it with a "be quiet! Straight Power 11 Platinum 850W" after the whining got too obnoxious though. Best decision I ever made lol
I had AsRock B650M PG Riptide that was half dead DOA, brand new. Only 1 memory channel worked, if i plugged 2 sticks or ram it wouldnt boot. After that i have tested all mainboards before i put them into case and build system on it. It's not guaranteed that brand new sealed box parts are working, so i still recommend testing them.
Hey Greg, again a nice episode with straight forward and logical troubleshooting. Thanks for this content. I love to guess the root cause and how you will approach it. Keep doing this great stuff. This helps the systems owners and gives us a lot of fun.
I've the dark power 13 1000W aswell since few months. Costs like 250 Euro. It's absolutely great. I use it with a ryzen 9 7950x3d and gigabyte 4080 super aorus master. That setup uses as much watt as my old build with a i7 9700k and 2070 super windforce.
Very nice work! :) Loved this fix or flop with a mini PCDC as well! :) I was boggled at the floppy cable connector going onto the USB which probably did blow the board. I suspected user error (it's one of those things that can easily happen if you're in a rush) as the cause which was indeed the case. Luckily everything is back up and running! Success once more :D
Never been this early, can't wait to see it! Edit: A very good job, and you are right about the pain of not having components on hand. When I was on holiday visiting my girlfriend in Mexico (from the EU myself) I had no parts on hand. Bought a new PSU and motherboard because they were the most likely. No react to even the screwdriver power on, but the USB still had power. "Luckily" it was only the PSU that died, so the motherboard got exchanged for a new SSD, she only had 240GB
A big mistake a lot of people make with video cards is thinking they are working fine when they see a post screen, but this is far from the truth. I have had many video cards that will display video all the way into Windows, but fail to work as soon as you try installing the drivers. So to anyone that may be testing a bunch of video cards, dont just assume they are working 100% because you see a post screen. You really need to have the card in a windows environment with the drivers installed and benchmarked with software to assume it is working 100%
Love what you do for people !!! Don't wanna sound smart but there is one tip for you. Always check CPU cores speed after adjusting pins in socket back , because sometimes it boots no problem and runs windows no problem but CPU dosen't turbo the same on all cores if some pins are not touching or have bad contact. So maby that could be part of your practice.
I had problem with i5 6600k ages ago, where I bought motherboard with broken socket on purpose (I had no money), and fixed it like that banding the pins back, and realised 2 months later what's happening. Btw fixed it by adjusting pins again, and it worked only on fixed multiplayer on all cores on 4.5 ghz oc 1.34v, on automatic core 3 would not turbo above 3.5GHz. On manual oc it did. Was scared to burn cpu because I was afraid there is bad contact somewhere but CPU still works to this day. Let's say I was lucky
I could hear that sound from the psu before it got amplified cause it was loud as. But then I have incredibly sensitive hearing. (I can hear dog whistles and ultrasonic pet deterrents.)
Training memory can take a lot of time on Ryzen I’ve seen it take 30 minutes. Also as a side note occasionally giving the motherboard a few days for the capacitors to discharge can bring back the motherboard. Not always but if the voltage is wrong at a cap it can keep it from booting even if nothing is actually damaged.
It appears in the video you didn't secure the fans when you forced air thru them. Perhaps you did but it wasn't shown. The fans should always be secured before force cleaning them to prevent damage to the fans. You are the expert, it is just an observation.
What I dont get is that people start building thier pc (Uprebuild exclued) but then cheap out on PSUs and then wonder when thier PC gets fried. I would never, how budget or high end a system is, make a sacrafice with power supplies, because at the end of the day, a bad cheap power supply makes your overall costs even higher with fried components. I dont get it how such PSUs even end up on the market when they are doomed to fail from the start.
I literally just had this happen. The input capacitor died. It was like $4 for 10 new ones. But we did lose the motherboard, CPU and 2 graphics cards 😢. Thankfully it was only a $60 board (even though it was a Z690), a 12100T and GTX 970/RX580. (*If" you know what you are doing the input capacitor replacement is pretty simple and brought my PSU back. It has successfully run a Dual X79 board since the re-capping. Don't mess with the PSUs they can kill you.(
As always a great series to watch! I've learned a lot in trouble shooting from your videos that have helped me out in some of my own snags along the way. Keep it up man!
Looks like the system integrator that made this cheeped out on some bits and the owner is paying the price. Also the board will have told the PSU to shut off. PSU's don't have any smarts unless it's using the new 12pin connector on a native ATX 3.0 PSU. Any trips will either be from the board or physical safety features in like fuses and stuff.
My previous desktop build used the same motherboard and a 5600G. When I did my current desktop build I bought enough components so that my wife now uses the old build. She doesn't game so I didn't leave a discrete graphic card in it. Both the old PC and my current one (AM5/7600/7900 GRE/32GB 6000 RAM) work great for what we want them to do.
As soon I read "Gamdias" on the PSU I already knew the issue. That what killed the board. People need to learn that they should get a PSU from reputable brand. When In doubt use the PSU Tier list from cultists network. The Gamdias M1 Series is on the AVOID list for a reason. Stop cheaping out on PSUs. Sure, didn't help the floppy connector was plugged into the USB header (these are usually for the Ryzen Stock RGB coolers iirc) but a quality PSU might would've shutdown immediately or didn't even start the system at all
Did anybody catch the the LED SW cable plugged into the fan hub? It’s possible that caused a short of some kind no? With the floppy power connected that fan header possible short from that as well? 3:515:22
Another enjoyable ForF video - the techie's answer to a Sherlock Holmes story. BTW, Greg, getting away from PCs for a moment, you ought to do a video on your watch collection someday. I know I'm usually checking what you've got on your wrist during these videos.
I will never understand people in intentionally plugging the berg floppy power connector into random headers on the motherboard. I myself have encountered this twice in my 30 years of computer repair. I don't remember much about the first system I encountered it on, but it was some generic white box Pentium 4 system. The berg floppy power was plugged into a random header on the sound card, and the IDE CD-ROM drive was plugged into the floppy port on the motherboard using a 34 pin ribbon cable. Miraculously after these issues were fixed, everything worked except the header on the sound card, the traces going to the header had blown up and vaporized and acted like a fuse that protected everything else. The IDE CD-ROM required some surgery on the IDE connector due to bent pins from the 34 pin ribbon cable being smashed into it. The second system was from a few years back, a customer of mine gave me an old white box Athlon 1000 system that was dead. Upon inspection, again the berg floppy power was plugged into a sound header on the motherboard. This time though, it caused a half inch square hole to be blown in the motherboard, down 3 or 4 layers deep. I did some intensive cleaning to remove all of the soot and vaporized metal and amazingly the motherboard started working again, sans the integrated sound, that whole area of the board no longer existed. Don't be a smooth brain and randomly plug connectors in you have no idea what they go to.
Had a similar issue a few months ago with my psu. We had power issues in our neighborhood and it took out my PSU and my GPU. Got a new GPU and I heard that sound and I also thought it was coil whine so I swapped out that psu for a friends which did the trick for a while then it also start making that sound because the power issues weren’t over. Don’t understand what happened because I had my pc plugged into a surge protector but from what I was told the voltage was fluctuating and that’s what did it for those pc components. Should out to the guys in your discord Greg for helping me out. Keep doing the good things that you do 🙏🏽.
I have that be quiet 1000w power supplies and it's really good. Though I realistically only use like 400w max (undervolted 6800 xt and undervolted 5900x plus a laptop A2000 (frankendriver). I think I upgraded it because I was thinking of putting a tesla p40 in my rig
The only thing that drove me crazy is those off center stickers on the fans! lol...I know they are cheap but you would think they could do better than that...Great video as always!
Those screws remind me of my previous PC in a Zalman case. So little space for cables on the back I had to hold the PC case between my legs so the back panel will line up properly for the screws. I still have the case, it's sitting empty, tried to sell it for ~12€ with the only person interested wanted to get it delivered to the other side of the country with shipping being on me lmao, but yeah, the side panel is BENT and the screw holes are elliptical now lol
Although clearing the CMOS was clearly not going to help this PC, I'm going to add my support for that being part of the normal process in other videos. I just had to RMA a brand new MSI board, which went painlessly until FedEx took two weeks to deliver my board, and upon finally receiving it, I could not get a POST. It would constantly cycle between three separate codes and keep the DRAM light lit until you powered it off, regardless of what RAM was installed (which was still an improvement over before the RMA because it wouldn't even try to start up any CPU). One CMOS clear later and the board finally worked. Anyone who complains about clearing the CMOS has no idea what they are doing and should be ignored. Edit: The praise I gave MSI has aged poorly since Gamers Nexus reported on MSI's failure to protect private customer information
Hi Greg, Whenever I watch your videos, I learn something new. Thank you for your videos. I have a question. What is the purpose of the eight-pin MB power slot beside the 24-pin power supply, and do I need to have a power cable inserted in it?
Power related problems can be fun. You just have to have the right PSU. I worked sa a PC technician for about 40 years. In that time I saw a lot of interesting problems on parts customers returned, most common were motherboards as the company I worked for sold those. Now I remember a few where capacitators on the MB caused the problem by shorting power to ground. Now using almost any modern PSU it would just switch off when the current got to high. However the PSU I used when testing was an industrial unit without really any safeties. This was a 460W PSU that I managed to run a 8 CPU Athlon server on once. I don't think 460W was anywhere close to what it could deliver. Anyway a number of motherboards I tested started with a bang as a capacitator was blown sky high. Now this wasn't a repair in our opinion but we returned those motherboards to the manufacturer with details so they could be replaced. Still, a brutal PSU can sometimes "wake" a MB that has died. But a few times it also burned traces on motherboards which is a less than optimal result when testing parts.
Be Quiet and SeaSonic Both make some Great looking and well made PSU's. No stupid rpg for the basement brick, just a nice finish and all the nice components.
When I was troubleshooting my bedroom pc that broke a few months ago I did have a spare graphics card and ram but not a spare motherboard of the same generation (only one like 5 years older and wanted to stress test it ideally) and cpu. Eventually a relative sent me their pc that needed repaired and what I did was test my graphics card on their pc, it booted no problem swapped psus and my psu worked on his pc and his in mine meant my pc still didn't post. So yeah it's not that I can't troubleshoot and even that I don't have at least some spare parts but I can't just quickly test something i.e I would have to take apart a working pc and use parts out of that to test a faulty pc.
i bought this same pc during covid, but liquid cooled with a rtx 2060. Great little pc other then the junk power supply that crapped out (gigabyte brand). Price wasn't terrible when i bought it either.
talk about ironies, I have a skytech system almost completely identical to this. the mainboard and video card (Purchased separately.) were the only difference. the odd thing was that I later obtained a skytech build that was older and needed a heck of a lot of cleaning. the board in that one was identical to the one in this system. I'm wondering if the power supply actually went first in this case...
Hi everyone, this is my pc in the video. I am forever grateful to Greg for fixing this for me, the original problem in the build was constant boot cycling, not the motherboard being fried. I suppose I accidentally plugged the floppy cable in while I was putting it back together and was too sleep deprived to notice. As for the GPU, it is long gone now and replaced with an actual on brand 2080-ti. I know the computer was dirty as I did not have any compressed air or cleaning supplies and the case is way too small to get in there and really clean. If you have any questions lmk.
No worries, mistakes happens in life - the important part is understanding why they happen. Enjoy your upgraded working PC!
GG on the PSU man.
I had bought a few prebuilts before, but decided to build my next PC. While building it I told myself there is no way I would leave the plastic on the AIO coldplate. Got the motherboard in the case and realized I didn't put the AIO backplate on the motherboard. Took it back out, threw the backplate on and promptly proceeded to install the AIO with the plastic on the coldplate. Luckily I caught it right away, so it was just a matter of a bit more thermal paste, but the moral of the story is mistakes happen. Don't sweat it.
Spoiler alert!😜
I know all about how long it takes to troubleshoot a wonky system. By the end of the day you're in no shape to put it back together sometimes. Congrats on the new system! Hope you get a long life out of it :)
I see Fix or Flop, I click watch, I click like, I comment to boost the algorithm, I'm a simple man.
Much appreciated!
Same
Same. I do wish he didn't use the grey-market/borderline illegal CD key site as a sponsor though.
Why not? Do you want people to pay full price for windows? @@greggmacdonald9644
@@greggmacdonald9644 does it work though?
My favorite part of these is watching how confident Greg is. I cant so much as reseat my RAM without having some kind of existential crisis and Anxiety that doesn't go away until everything is back up and running. Great to see and will always be happy to see a fix or flop.
you just gotta get in there and get your hands dirty. but use all the old school car mechanic techniques. lay everything out in a pattern so that you can reassemble it in reverse. stuff like that. It's not that scary once you've swapped your processor a couple times and flashed your bios successfully a few times lol
My old system had uptimes of 600 to 800 days because I was afraid restarting alone would bring it to never Start up again. That happened a lot. Needed to run Windows repair which also failed a lot of times. Chkdsk helfen sometimes. Mind you my hdd Was from 3 Systems Backwards from 2004. The win 7 install from 2009 and Was in 3 systems before and never updates because Updates didnt work. Was a 3770k, 16 GB ddr3, 1070 and Windows 7 rig. I upgraded in 2022. That very hdd is still now in my System and running. It shows low health but it works as side storage to my m.2. I think the bearings ran down over the 20 years of constantly spinning so it vibrates a lot. so much so that even with decoupling my whole Bigtower will vibrate violently when it turns on and starts spinning. I'm surprised that the head can still read data from there.
Lol, I'm the same way!
All I’m gonna say here is my generation is built different.
Something that seems to slip away in these PC build/fix videos is grounding. Static is still a real component killer, and only takes a small zap from your fingers (which you won't see or feel) to kill a ram stick (commonly) or motherboard or CPU or even GPU at the worst end! Just be cautious and touch anything that's grounded before you handle your business. Just touch the edge of your case or the metal parts of components or edge of PCBs before handling anywhere else to equalise any potential build up and you'll be cool.
After you've put everything together and you have to wait a few seconds when you power on for a POST. The more seconds that pass the more your brain is running at 100MPH wondering what you've done wrong. Then you get a POST and feel mightily relieved ... Been there many times before and it still gets me every time.
server motherboards can take minutes to post depending on how much ram is installed. -sigh-
I do air conditioning work. Every time you cut power and turn the power back on, there is a 5 minute time delay before the equipment starts. It is the longest 5 minutes of your life. Greg just triggered me in those few seconds of waiting for it to post lol!
@@MrPruske I have a 128GB system on an Asus board, takes 90-95 seconds to boot. Drives me nuts.
@@ChairmanMeow1 Got a dell R730XD in my rack with 256Gb in it and it take's around 3 minutes to complete post before it boots into proxmox! Thankfully it's a server, so doesn't get rebooted that often. Thankfully it outputs a display/remote console during those 3 minutes.
When I was younger, only ever had 1 PC in the home. And you are right, makes troubleshooting tricky since you don't want to just waste money buying parts. Now days, we have a few different PC's. And that has made troubleshooting so much easier.
This channel and Northwest Repair are UA-cam treasures.
You're so right about having extra components to test on. I used to test on a friend's system if I had problems (and vice versa) but these days people use laptops so when my system refused to post and I got VGA light on my ezDebug LEDs I didn't have a system to test my GPU or Mobo. Stuck with a dead system and guessing it's my mobo that's dead. It really is a blessing and privilege to have extra components for testing when there's issues. Great educational video as usual Greg (incredibly jelly about that new PSU/Mobo)
Let me tell you, as soon as I saw the PSU at the start of the video, I expected a swap. What I did NOT expect was a 1000W Titanium replacement lmao. Thanks Greg for another great video!
What are the odds that a company spreading malware would call itself 51 RISC?
Yeah, isn't RISC short for 'Reduced Instruction Set Computing'? Read: High End Non x86 Professional Server Hardware?? How dare they Bastardize that Acronym???
Lol I needed a laugh. Thank dawg.
The power supply sounds like hell but at least it's rgb.😂
love the sense of humor!
RGB PSUs are a bit cringy, but honestly as long as it lets you play games it is what it is. I love some RGB, but RGB in places you will never see is a little WTH??
@@stephenhood2948 RGB sells brother... Its as simple as that....
@@Adamgreen735 My PC is full of RGB, but I don't understand why RGB would be put on a PSU, where it cant be seen?? Though I suppose if you don't have a PSU shroud maybe it would make more sense?
The "please" moment is something I identify so hard with when implementing fixes I know should work. The feeling of relief when it does work is amazing.
Greg, Ryzen boards always take a long time to post for the 1st time or when CPU or RAM is changed :)
A tip for testing the motherboard with minimum risk - buy a buzzer (internal speaker), every motherboard have pins for it. For motherboards without digital or LED error code signaling this is the simplest way of testing if motherboard is at least alive. You don't even have to put CPU or RAM in it. You only risk PSU, which you've already connected.
Also always test motherboard out of the system with the least components and cables connected. So many times I've seen shorts to the case, fried fan PCBs tripping safeguards, cables degraded after time etc. Not to mention obvious ones like damaged PSU or GPU.
Seeing these videos being uploaded.. makes my day! Love the work Greg!
Glad you like them!
With that floppy power connector on a usb header you either short 12v to ground, so the psu would shut down immediately. Or you send 12v onto the 5v rail, which almost certainly breaks stuff all around the board...
Wouldn't that destroy mosfets and transistors?
@@simply_the_dev7588 the 12 V short to ground? A -7 V on those parts should typically not be deadly, at least on the timescale in which the PSU shuts down and all caps discharge I would say. But I'm a physicist not an electrical engineer
Keeping your rig clean will help temps and reliability. I'm always cleaning my dust filters about every couple of weeks. A power duster is a great tool to get to do a more in-depth cleaning of the case like every 6 months. A clean PC is a happy PC.
Im in love with that Be Quiet! black psu,looks great
When diagnosing issues without removing the initial hardware, I use and endoscope to my phone. It makes it a lot easier to see what is going on in hard to reach places, plus you have a light-source too.
Spent 20+ years building and fixing Pcs, even down to making gart drivers.
Well done Greg!!! That was a tough one and , you're right! I was glad that you mentioned the ability to have extra components to use as a test bench that most don't have at their disposal. It really irritates me when content creators just gloss over the fact that most people don't have rooms full of spare parts to play with to diagnose a system. I don't know why that bothers me but it does. I also would like to give you much respect for what you do (and yes we know your sponsors help greatly with the costs) because it's rare to see someone just reach out to people to help and not expect anything in return. Imagine what our world would be like if more people did this type of thing? I do it all the time but my expertise is in construction and renovation. I've helped build dozens of Habitat For Humanity houses over the years and worked in areas effected by tornados and hurricanes all over the Southeast and Midwest and have been volunteering now for about 15 years. At 64, I'm finding I can't do the things I did just ten years ago but I will never stop trying to give back to my community in some way. That's how I'm built. It gives me hope to see the younger generation doing the same kind of thing! Love the channel and I'll keep watching cause even though I'm old, I still learn new things every day! Keep up the good work!
Got the same psu for my 13900k and 4080 combo, be quiet products are so beautiful.
Always love seeing some cleaning done in the FoF videos, so satisfying to see a clean system.
Looking forward to the next one :D
i bought the 1200 watt one. its great.
Glad to see that rig running smooth sailing again. That PSU is a massive, MASSIVE upgrade. That thing will last for eternity.
Ty Greg for this awesome content! Always love your Fix or Flop videos.
That DRAM-less WD BLUE SN580 is excellent for thin and light laptops. 0:50 Blows away the previous SN570 and SN750, even choose it over the SN770.
Note: Pick something like a Crucial P5 Plus or Samsung 980 Pro for desktop PC boot drives since power efficiency isn't everything.
I just really love this series. Most UA-camrs (companies excluded) don´t really do this. Like just showing how to fix something is soooo valuable and also important.
4:05 That "Uh Oh" got me dying
Thanks for taking us for the ride with you Greg.
I love this series. Love everything about it. Trouble shooting. Really helped me think through and not panic when building my new build when the windows install kept being crazy, I had to factory reset twice but got it figured out.
This one was an expensive one Greg. The IBP PSU is ridiculous levels of overkill, I would consider it a lifetime PSU for most people. The buzzing noise was indicative of the power supply failing but I think the motherboard was fine just before the rig was sent to you. However, once the user reassembled and plugged in the floppy connector to the RGB connector on the motherboard and (probably) power cycled it for the last time that was the coup de grace for it.
IBP PSU?
@@WirrWicht i guess he meant be quiet?
@@charliesretrocomputing Maybe, but is IBP not a shorthand for "I buy power"?
@@WirrWicht I thought so...
That Floppy Molex connector being plugged where is was in that USB header, means either +5 to +5 and +12 to GND, or +12 to +5 and +5 to GND happened, depending which way it was plugged in, neither of which case, is likely recommended.
9:42 put playback at .25 when you turmed off the power supply you can see the rgb spark. I hate rgb anything it always cause some issues.
But to see a spark with power off yikes
Yea I saw the spark too and whats weird is it sparked on power off
@@chrisjones950 it tells me thàt fan and or fan hub in the back is defective this fix is temporary
Great video, I can't believe that berg connector was plugged into the USB header.
On my AMD Builds, I always use the APU Instead of the CPU.... the Ryzen 5 5600G works fine for gaming and I always go with a MINIMUM of 16GB of memory so the APU shows at least 2GB of video memory for the system. I very rarely use a GPU in the newer builds unless it is required by certain games and applications. Nice video Greg! Stay Safe!
Michigan here.. really a great video. I like the ones that show how some small mistake can cook components. I have been lucky to not kill anything to date but I did connect cables up wrong in the past and it took days and lots of stress before realizing my errors... guess that is why the motherboards come with manuals.
Greg this series of Fix or flop is so unique , not many tech savy's do it this days , keep this amazing content coming we appreciate you my friend 😁
Before the end, I was hoping it was the fan controller that was making all the other things not working but glad everything worked out. Great job again Greg and hoping for the next episode!
I had that exact same "coil whine" buzzing problem from a brand new "EVGA 210-GQ-1000-V1." I have no idea what caused it and there were never any performance or booting issues with it. I did end up replacing it with a "be quiet! Straight Power 11 Platinum 850W" after the whining got too obnoxious though. Best decision I ever made lol
Hope this keeps on going and gets better in the future!
That Gamdias PSU wanted to be a house fire when it grew up.
I had AsRock B650M PG Riptide that was half dead DOA, brand new. Only 1 memory channel worked, if i plugged 2 sticks or ram it wouldnt boot. After that i have tested all mainboards before i put them into case and build system on it. It's not guaranteed that brand new sealed box parts are working, so i still recommend testing them.
Really enjoy your fix or flops! Once you showed the screw going the wrong way, I suspected a motherboard short. Keep up the good work.
That original Phillips HUE light strips failure due to using wrong PSU cables was what got me to subscribe to the channel
Hey Greg, again a nice episode with straight forward and logical troubleshooting. Thanks for this content. I love to guess the root cause and how you will approach it. Keep doing this great stuff. This helps the systems owners and gives us a lot of fun.
That was a real nice one! Post after post, you just keep on getting better.
I've the dark power 13 1000W aswell since few months. Costs like 250 Euro. It's absolutely great. I use it with a ryzen 9 7950x3d and gigabyte 4080 super aorus master. That setup uses as much watt as my old build with a i7 9700k and 2070 super windforce.
Very nice work! :) Loved this fix or flop with a mini PCDC as well! :)
I was boggled at the floppy cable connector going onto the USB which probably did blow the board. I suspected user error (it's one of those things that can easily happen if you're in a rush) as the cause which was indeed the case.
Luckily everything is back up and running! Success once more :D
Never been this early, can't wait to see it!
Edit: A very good job, and you are right about the pain of not having components on hand. When I was on holiday visiting my girlfriend in Mexico (from the EU myself) I had no parts on hand. Bought a new PSU and motherboard because they were the most likely. No react to even the screwdriver power on, but the USB still had power. "Luckily" it was only the PSU that died, so the motherboard got exchanged for a new SSD, she only had 240GB
A big mistake a lot of people make with video cards is thinking they are working fine when they see a post screen, but this is far from the truth. I have had many video cards that will display video all the way into Windows, but fail to work as soon as you try installing the drivers. So to anyone that may be testing a bunch of video cards, dont just assume they are working 100% because you see a post screen. You really need to have the card in a windows environment with the drivers installed and benchmarked with software to assume it is working 100%
Love what you do for people !!! Don't wanna sound smart but there is one tip for you. Always check CPU cores speed after adjusting pins in socket back , because sometimes it boots no problem and runs windows no problem but CPU dosen't turbo the same on all cores if some pins are not touching or have bad contact. So maby that could be part of your practice.
I had problem with i5 6600k ages ago, where I bought motherboard with broken socket on purpose (I had no money), and fixed it like that banding the pins back, and realised 2 months later what's happening. Btw fixed it by adjusting pins again, and it worked only on fixed multiplayer on all cores on 4.5 ghz oc 1.34v, on automatic core 3 would not turbo above 3.5GHz. On manual oc it did. Was scared to burn cpu because I was afraid there is bad contact somewhere but CPU still works to this day. Let's say I was lucky
I could hear that sound from the psu before it got amplified cause it was loud as.
But then I have incredibly sensitive hearing. (I can hear dog whistles and ultrasonic pet deterrents.)
Don't blame ya for not plugging your stuff into that MB. Great stuff Greg!
I love watching these videos. I'm new to PC building and I've learned a lot by watching these videos, thank you Greg!
Training memory can take a lot of time on Ryzen I’ve seen it take 30 minutes. Also as a side note occasionally giving the motherboard a few days for the capacitors to discharge can bring back the motherboard. Not always but if the voltage is wrong at a cap it can keep it from booting even if nothing is actually damaged.
Greg you are awesome and humble AF.
It appears in the video you didn't secure the fans when you forced air thru them. Perhaps you did but it wasn't shown. The fans should always be secured before force cleaning them to prevent damage to the fans. You are the expert, it is just an observation.
What I dont get is that people start building thier pc (Uprebuild exclued) but then cheap out on PSUs and then wonder when thier PC gets fried. I would never, how budget or high end a system is, make a sacrafice with power supplies, because at the end of the day, a bad cheap power supply makes your overall costs even higher with fried components. I dont get it how such PSUs even end up on the market when they are doomed to fail from the start.
A bad PSU can do far more than just fry your PC parts. It could fry your entire house.
@@TalesOfWar Nothing like waking up (or not) to a house fire because you were too cheap to spend $50 more.
A lot of people don't realise that a cheap PSU can fry things. It takes some prior knowledge to be aware of it.
Indeed.
No-one wants to pay an extra, for a beefier PSU.
I literally just had this happen. The input capacitor died. It was like $4 for 10 new ones. But we did lose the motherboard, CPU and 2 graphics cards 😢. Thankfully it was only a $60 board (even though it was a Z690), a 12100T and GTX 970/RX580.
(*If" you know what you are doing the input capacitor replacement is pretty simple and brought my PSU back. It has successfully run a Dual X79 board since the re-capping. Don't mess with the PSUs they can kill you.(
Always better to err on the side of caution than to tempt fate. Great job Greg.
Love this series
Wow, that went a direction I didn’t expect, never would have thought a power supply in a prebuilt would have a floppy disk power cable!
Another nice FIX!!! I wonder if anyone has kept a Fix vs Flop statistic?
As always a great series to watch! I've learned a lot in trouble shooting from your videos that have helped me out in some of my own snags along the way. Keep it up man!
This is going to be a good video. Keep up the good work Greg
Thanks, I'll certainly try!
Looks like the system integrator that made this cheeped out on some bits and the owner is paying the price.
Also the board will have told the PSU to shut off. PSU's don't have any smarts unless it's using the new 12pin connector on a native ATX 3.0 PSU. Any trips will either be from the board or physical safety features in like fuses and stuff.
My previous desktop build used the same motherboard and a 5600G. When I did my current desktop build I bought enough components so that my wife now uses the old build. She doesn't game so I didn't leave a discrete graphic card in it. Both the old PC and my current one (AM5/7600/7900 GRE/32GB 6000 RAM) work great for what we want them to do.
As soon I read "Gamdias" on the PSU I already knew the issue. That what killed the board. People need to learn that they should get a PSU from reputable brand. When In doubt use the PSU Tier list from cultists network. The Gamdias M1 Series is on the AVOID list for a reason. Stop cheaping out on PSUs. Sure, didn't help the floppy connector was plugged into the USB header (these are usually for the Ryzen Stock RGB coolers iirc) but a quality PSU might would've shutdown immediately or didn't even start the system at all
This video was informative and very interesting that I've now watched it twice....waiting for the next one
Never heard of 51 RISC! Good question! Do you use a small torque wrench (in inches) to tighten the CPU cooler down?
Did anybody catch the the LED SW cable plugged into the fan hub? It’s possible that caused a short of some kind no? With the floppy power connected that fan header possible short from that as well? 3:51 5:22
Love your videos man its helped me learn a lot and allowed me to actually troubleshoot and fix my own build a few months ago.
Another enjoyable ForF video - the techie's answer to a Sherlock Holmes story.
BTW, Greg, getting away from PCs for a moment, you ought to do a video on your watch collection someday. I know I'm usually checking what you've got on your wrist during these videos.
I will never understand people in intentionally plugging the berg floppy power connector into random headers on the motherboard. I myself have encountered this twice in my 30 years of computer repair.
I don't remember much about the first system I encountered it on, but it was some generic white box Pentium 4 system. The berg floppy power was plugged into a random header on the sound card, and the IDE CD-ROM drive was plugged into the floppy port on the motherboard using a 34 pin ribbon cable. Miraculously after these issues were fixed, everything worked except the header on the sound card, the traces going to the header had blown up and vaporized and acted like a fuse that protected everything else. The IDE CD-ROM required some surgery on the IDE connector due to bent pins from the 34 pin ribbon cable being smashed into it.
The second system was from a few years back, a customer of mine gave me an old white box Athlon 1000 system that was dead. Upon inspection, again the berg floppy power was plugged into a sound header on the motherboard. This time though, it caused a half inch square hole to be blown in the motherboard, down 3 or 4 layers deep. I did some intensive cleaning to remove all of the soot and vaporized metal and amazingly the motherboard started working again, sans the integrated sound, that whole area of the board no longer existed.
Don't be a smooth brain and randomly plug connectors in you have no idea what they go to.
This is splendid work mate
Surely you update to a newish bios for the rig when you use a new motherboard, to help with the power options, and security concerns if nothing else.
Had a similar issue a few months ago with my psu. We had power issues in our neighborhood and it took out my PSU and my GPU. Got a new GPU and I heard that sound and I also thought it was coil whine so I swapped out that psu for a friends which did the trick for a while then it also start making that sound because the power issues weren’t over. Don’t understand what happened because I had my pc plugged into a surge protector but from what I was told the voltage was fluctuating and that’s what did it for those pc components. Should out to the guys in your discord Greg for helping me out. Keep doing the good things that you do 🙏🏽.
You need to get a sinewave UPS. It will regulate the power coming in and make sure it is on the same frequency that your PSU is using.
@@Yuriel1981 thanks man ill have a look int one.. my pc has been fine since tho but id hate to lose any parts to my electrical company.
I have that be quiet 1000w power supplies and it's really good.
Though I realistically only use like 400w max (undervolted 6800 xt and undervolted 5900x plus a laptop A2000 (frankendriver). I think I upgraded it because I was thinking of putting a tesla p40 in my rig
I hope you got rid of that power supply. The whine could be from a bad capacitor or inductor.
Agreed. That PSU was a ticking time bomb.
The only thing that drove me crazy is those off center stickers on the fans! lol...I know they are cheap but you would think they could do better than that...Great video as always!
This was fun, thank you Greg 👍
Thanks for watching!
Back to the basic's, great job.
Great video as always! Been watching this series for years, and hopefully much more in the future!
I love getting a 2-for in Greg's videos. FoF AND PCDC (well not deep but still cleaning!)
Those screws remind me of my previous PC in a Zalman case. So little space for cables on the back I had to hold the PC case between my legs so the back panel will line up properly for the screws.
I still have the case, it's sitting empty, tried to sell it for ~12€ with the only person interested wanted to get it delivered to the other side of the country with shipping being on me lmao, but yeah, the side panel is BENT and the screw holes are elliptical now lol
Although clearing the CMOS was clearly not going to help this PC, I'm going to add my support for that being part of the normal process in other videos. I just had to RMA a brand new MSI board, which went painlessly until FedEx took two weeks to deliver my board, and upon finally receiving it, I could not get a POST. It would constantly cycle between three separate codes and keep the DRAM light lit until you powered it off, regardless of what RAM was installed (which was still an improvement over before the RMA because it wouldn't even try to start up any CPU). One CMOS clear later and the board finally worked. Anyone who complains about clearing the CMOS has no idea what they are doing and should be ignored.
Edit: The praise I gave MSI has aged poorly since Gamers Nexus reported on MSI's failure to protect private customer information
I love watching these videos right before bed
I use the handle of a screwdriver to knock the IO shield out, keeps the fingers safely away. 😊 Love your channel Greg, keep up the great content. 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Great video as usual Greg! Are you going to be doing another season of the deep cleaning series?
Hi Greg, Whenever I watch your videos, I learn something new. Thank you for your videos. I have a question. What is the purpose of the eight-pin MB power slot beside the 24-pin power supply, and do I need to have a power cable inserted in it?
That dusting tool u use, does it blow or suck air. And why don't you use compressed or canned air since it can get where a brush can't?
Power related problems can be fun. You just have to have the right PSU.
I worked sa a PC technician for about 40 years. In that time I saw a lot of interesting problems on parts customers returned, most common were motherboards as the company I worked for sold those. Now I remember a few where capacitators on the MB caused the problem by shorting power to ground. Now using almost any modern PSU it would just switch off when the current got to high. However the PSU I used when testing was an industrial unit without really any safeties. This was a 460W PSU that I managed to run a 8 CPU Athlon server on once. I don't think 460W was anywhere close to what it could deliver. Anyway a number of motherboards I tested started with a bang as a capacitator was blown sky high. Now this wasn't a repair in our opinion but we returned those motherboards to the manufacturer with details so they could be replaced.
Still, a brutal PSU can sometimes "wake" a MB that has died. But a few times it also burned traces on motherboards which is a less than optimal result when testing parts.
Great video. Many thanks to educate some of us!!
Be Quiet and SeaSonic Both make some Great looking and well made PSU's. No stupid rpg for the basement brick, just a nice finish and all the nice components.
Floppy power into a USB header. That's a new one.
Hi Greg, Just a quick one, your little blower/vacuum you used outside on the client's case. How long is the running time?
Hey Greg, I love to watch a man who loves his work! Enjoyed your video as usual.
Nothing but love. ❤
When I was troubleshooting my bedroom pc that broke a few months ago I did have a spare graphics card and ram but not a spare motherboard of the same generation (only one like 5 years older and wanted to stress test it ideally) and cpu. Eventually a relative sent me their pc that needed repaired and what I did was test my graphics card on their pc, it booted no problem swapped psus and my psu worked on his pc and his in mine meant my pc still didn't post. So yeah it's not that I can't troubleshoot and even that I don't have at least some spare parts but I can't just quickly test something i.e I would have to take apart a working pc and use parts out of that to test a faulty pc.
I've had several bad nvmes recently, including a WD Blue 500. Computer cycles repeatedly , corrupts other drives or says it did.
i heard the power supply omg throw that is a freaking nuke lol
Sketchy PSU and GPU just based on brands I’ve heard of.
dont mind me just here casually binge watching this series, every day on lunch
Love this stuff, appreciate you Greg!!
i bought this same pc during covid, but liquid cooled with a rtx 2060. Great little pc other then the junk power supply that crapped out (gigabyte brand). Price wasn't terrible when i bought it either.
talk about ironies, I have a skytech system almost completely identical to this. the mainboard and video card (Purchased separately.) were the only difference. the odd thing was that I later obtained a skytech build that was older and needed a heck of a lot of cleaning. the board in that one was identical to the one in this system. I'm wondering if the power supply actually went first in this case...