The Plot Twist NO ONE Saw Coming…
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- Опубліковано 22 лют 2024
- There aren't a lot of Nicktoons that made an attempt at keeping an overarching story active while maintaining continuity... Lets just be honest. Whereas many adult shows rely heavily on this, in the world of kids cartoons it seems as if that concept has been deemed pointless. However, Danny Phantom felt like the one Nicktoon that not only attempted to keep up that overarching story, but also did so in a way that was almost better than many adult shows. That's why today, on our nostalgic walk down memory lane, we're going to check out the episode of Danny Phantom that revealed the overarching story to us...
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I still find it hilarious that Jack is responsible for creating two of the most powerful ghosts in history, his best friend Vlad Masters / Vlad Plasmius and his own son Danny who will grow to be even more powerful than Vlad himself, maybe Jack is more of genius than even he realizes 😂
Right?! Like, sure his foolishness caused the accident... But also, DAMN DUDE lol. Insane that he was able to create such powerful ghost/human hybrids without knowing exactly what he was doing or that he even did it in the first place.
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@@DuskTillShawn i know right Jack created two powerful human/ ghost twice like how do you even do that even by accident and unknowingly Lol and of course no problem Shawn 👍🙌🔥💯
i think its funny if you think about it vlad was hit by a portal that was incomplete and had the wrong formula and danny was hit by a fully complete portal that was fully functioning. so danny may be more powerful because his accident was in the better version of the portal.
@@LionWithAGun ayo your right I didn't think of like that because even after being a ghost for 20 years Vlad never got the ghostly whale power which is said to be the most powerful ghost power a ghost could have and Danny got the ghostly whale what 2 or 3 years of being a ghost but also we have to take into account did Danny get the ghostly whale so soon because he's a more complete half ghost or was it because he messed with time in the ultimate enemy special
I would say Jack is more of a savant than a genius.
The curfew situation could’ve been solved by Danny phasing into his room then coming down stairs and feigning that his parents just missed him coming in.
To quote Danny from the Desiree episode: "if I weren't a C student, I would've thought of that a long time ago."
@@Zacman1123 Yeah, Danny can be thoughtless.
@@Zacman1123 no he's an A Minus student, a solid A Minus
@@powerrangerkid16 that was one episode
@@Zacman1123 I........ was making a reference?
Yeah i forgot how Jazz was before she found out Danny's secret. I remember loving Jazz after she found out, didnt tell anyone including Danny himself then kept covering for him.
ONLY reconsidering when Danny was considering cheating. It always amazed me how surprised Dan was to find out that Jazz knew. Kinda like for a second he reverted back to his old self.
Yeah, Jazz was mildly annoying in the early episodes until that moment. I liked her more after.
Let's be fair here: Jack is rarely given the credit he's due do to his personality. I mean, he was able to: create a portal to another dimension (which failed a few times but managed to work eventually by the time he was out of college), created several inventions that run on ectoplasmic energy (something that by all intentions, is an energy source that the world has never tapped), has made many of his household appliances/devices into weapons/tools that run on the ectoplasmic energy (from his van, to his house, to even a thermos that can suck in ghosts), is strong enough to fight and overwhelm ghosts who by all means should be able to handle a human like Jack (I am looking at Vlad in his ghost form, the Fright Knight in a prototype robot part, and Skulker who is reputed as the "greatest hunter" in the Ghost World), was able to fish and bring back a giant monster from the Ghost World (that Skulker brought when he was hunting him and Danny on a father/son fishing trip), and is STILL capable of paying/maintaining a house for four despite being obsessed with ghosts while raising two teenagers.
I'm thinking the Fentons make/supply/maybe even fix inventions/machines for high paying customers, ghost related or otherwise. It might be the only way they could support a family with a small, two employee staffed business. And if it IS just Jack and Maddie, they don't have to have money to pay employees. Everything's split between bolstering the business and keeping their family afloat.
To add to this list (someone else did post this comment here, but it feels like it should be sent out a bit more because it’s a DAMN good point): Dude’s portals, even by accident, created two of the most powerful ghost hybrids in history: Danny and Vlad themselves. Both of them have actively been changing the course of ghost history since their respective accidents
@@raymondfisheriii791 Well, I was leaving that unspoken since it technically ties to the portals he's made, but, yes, there's that too. LoL
@@raymondfisheriii791funny part is that he never knew that part happened, lol
at least not for many years
@@jan_harald yeah, the fact he did it by accident does kinda show that he may just be a savant
Tbh, I think the saddest, most tragic part is, Vlad was right and, in another timeline, he got one of the things he wanted in the most horrific way. He said he and Danny could be powerful and rule the world together and, well, they did. Dan/Dark Danny is the very result of that that ended up destroying everything and everyone. Grim for a kids show, indeed
To add on to that tragedy it took that same event for Vlad to realize how wrong he was and how much he truly missed Jack and regretted his years of bitter resentment.
@@adamnemo42 exactly 😭😭😭
As a kid, I was kind of meh about the show at first. I only realized how fun it was when I saw how dark it could get.
There's another episode where Danny tries to save Vlad from the portal but unknowingly, saving Vlad means the beam will bounce and hit Jack and Jack gets put in Vlad's situation and no one visited him but because he saw Danny leaving he spent his life trashing his house in rage as he couldn't find the "Ghost Boy" who ruined his life and when Danny tries to explain, Jack hunts him, Vlad, and Maddie in revenge. The episode proves Jack is no better than Vlad and the world is better off for it because Vlad was careful in his research while Jack needs Maddie to succeed so the ghost problem isn't nearly as bad. Danny undos the "mistake" because his personal life is worse though as he was never born and Danny learns that the answer to the trolley problem is do nothing otherwise you're responsible for someone's suffering. Doesn't matter that the overall suffering is reduced in the slightest. I don't know why the episode chose to allude to the fact life is better while showing Danny's family never occurs so this is the "worst" timeline. It feels like the banned fairy odd-parents episode where Timmy wishes he didn't exist and everyone was happier he didn't exist except they made sure Danny had something which was Family which doesn't exist because of him so he has to fix it to bury the point that a lot of problems were caused by Jack and everyone would be better off if he suffered from his mistakes instead of the innocent friend he then abandons in the hospital and that both Vlad and Jack weren't good friends to each other. And that soulmates aren't a thing and Maddie loves them both and married whoever didn't get hit by the beam.
@@governedmoth1749 shit, yeah. I forgot about that episode, but you're so right. Such good character writing on this show, tbh
Jack has a 20 intelligence but 6 wisdom
18 wis take it or leave it, and not an ASI more.
My kind of dnd character.
Bro also rolled 20 charm and luck.
Now this a layered joke 😂😂😂
and batman level prep but only for ghosts
One of my favorite moments that I recall, is when Jack is going to vote for Vlad, saying he's going to vote for him and one of Vlad's ghost clones takes control of Jack, and he says "I mean, I'm going to vote for Vlad!"
Vlad taking control of his biggest supporter is hilarious.
I thought it indicated Vlad's opinion of Jack's incompetence that he didn't trust Jack to actually vote correctly.
Shame Harriet never seemed to make another appearence after everyone started taking Ghosts seriously.
She probably could've started her own Ghost News channel.
I know she got a cameo in "Million Dollar ghost", as the news anchor reporting on how the need for more competent "not Jack Fenton" ghosts hunters is more and more apparent to the citizens.
@@13KuriMasterVlad could’ve dated Harriet, if he would just broaden his horizons a bit more!
As someone from Wisconsin I'm insulted that they gave the Dairy King Ghost the most Minnesotian accent I've ever heard
As a Minnesotan, this deeply pleases me
suck it wiscanny
I agree. Both accents originated from parts of Europe. The Wisconsin accent has central European influences, including German, French, Belgian, Dutch, Finnish and Polish, while the Minnesota's has mostly Nordic Scandinavian influence, including Danish.
As someone who grew up in Georgia, I didn’t know there was a difference…
@@terraventusaqua123 there is a huge difference
The accent & dialect is extremely different
Imagine someone make a movie about living in Georgia and everyone have the most Floridian accents
That's the closest comparison I can think of
My impression was that Maddie liked Jack all along, and Vlad has main character syndrome. If you think about it, wouldn't have Maddie visited Vlad in the hospital or still kept in contact more if the feeling was mutual? As you pointed out in both the photo and flashback sequences, Maddie is always standing close by Jack while Vlad is off to the side. I think if Jack were more capable of reading feelings it's possible that he would have even tried to help Vlad with Maddie. Jack just seems like that type of guy. However, I think the biggest difference between Jack and Vlad is that Jack, depsite his foolishness, still would recognize that Maddie can choose for herself, which is why Vlad always loses.
well maybe Jack liked Maddie too, even if he could tell Vlad liked her why would he help him even if they were friends? also Maddie liked Jack. so even if he helped Vlad it wouldn't necessarily work out for him. Jack was oblivious he wouldnt know.
Yeah.
Or maybe Maddie DID visit Vlad at first if she WASN'T put off (enough) by him, then stopped after her and Jack graduated/got married. We know they get married 2 years after the accident. And depending on WHEN in college this was, they may have graduated soon after if they were upperclassmen or those two set it up to happen right around when they were graduating. If they were Freshmen, then they graduated around the time Jazz was born/Maddie was pregnant with Jazz since Jazz is 16 in the present day. If it's the latter, Maddie could have easily hid that she was pregnant from Vlad if she was still visiting him at that point, ESPECIALLY if she wasn't that far along or even didn't know herself. AND, at some point in all of this, they relocated to Amity Park which would have DEFINITELY stopped the visits so frequently.
I agree that Jack would have tried to play wingman. But it wouldn't have worked as long as Vlad insisted on being a creepy jackass. It would have torn their trio apart sooner. Vlad's problem was never that Jack was a dunce or that Maddie wouldn't give him a chance, it was that he was an asshole. And if he would have come to a similar realization to Danny's in The Ultimate Enemy, he would have had a better life. With or without Maddie.
Why didn't Vlad go on dates with other women? It's always Maddie.
Dude man is ... Maddlie in love...but no real the fact that the guy would use his ghost powers to become rich and not use his free time to date is just...man those those 28 years of loneliness seem to have really gotten to him. Sad to see..fun villain though.
@@kharijordan6426 Because he was fixated on Maddie. Men can have crushes/romantic feelings that last for YEARS. 20 in Vlad's case, but yeah. He had his dream life with Maddie he refused to let go of.
This dynamic is reflected quite a bit when Vlad possesses Jack, but Jack fights back and the first thing he does is warn Maddie to run and save herself, rather than request anything to save himself. Jack may be a clueless klutz who can't read a room made out of letters, but he is much more caring of those close to him while Vlad is all about himself and only himself.
"Can you help us find and _peck_ to death--"
That line was always just so funny to me. Also a little surprising Nickelodeon would let them say that.
Yeah, they supposedly weren't allowed to say it on Avatar or something which encouraged them to come up with brilliant lines like Azula saying "I'm about to celebrate becoming an only child!"
I don’t know if this has any significance but Vlad’s hair turns white after the accident and stays that way in his human form where as in his ghost form it reverts back to the original color but for Danny it’s the opposite. Idk if there’s a reason for this but perhaps Danny is more human in his human form and Vlad is more ghost in his human form.
I chalk it up to whatever improvements Jack made over the years with the portal.
Besides, using imagery to create opposites, it probably has to do with the fact that Danny got his powers instantly from the overwhelming flow of energy, but Vlad was slowly infected overtime until it reached a critical point and the ghost half formed
@@emeraldpichu1 This is possible. And likely early in the 20 year gap since Vlad said he had "years of practice".
Vlad also turns green, has pointed ears and is buffer in his ghost form. It's probably just a stylistic choice while also keeping with "negative" look the ghost form creates. Like how Danny's suit was originally white with black belt and shoes but when he's turned into a ghost it's black with white belt and shoes.
@@jovenc4508 Vlad's blue. Unless I'm (semi) colorblind and can't see it.
20:20 Jack actually resisted.
Let that sink in.
Jack. Can. Fight. It.
23:06 And telling that Danny hasn't such a struggle. Like on some subconscious level Jack can *feel* which ghost means well and which one intends on harm.
In Danny Phantom: Ultimate Enemy, there was an alternate universe where Danny’s parents, sister, Tucker, and Sam were killed when they were trapped in Nasty Burger when it exploded. After the incident, Danny moved in with Vlad because he was the only one who knew about and understood his powers. Danny asked Vlad to remove his human self, because he didn’t want to deal with the guilt and grief he felt towards his family and friends (because he felt that their deaths were indirectly caused by his mistakes).
Vlad agreed and it almost worked (he successfully separated Danny’s human and ghost selves), but Danny’s ghost self separated Vlad from his ghost self and fused with him. The ghost fusion became the evil Danny that Danny Phantom had to deal with in the episode.
Edit: part of Shawn’s video claims that Vlad wanted Danny to be his son. In the ultimate enemy timeline, Vlad was willing to adopt Danny.
You want to know something what Danny should have done to avert the events of The Ultimate Enemy: have Alicia meet Vlad and formed a romantic relationship with her. If you must know, Maddie has a sister named Alicia. She first appeared in the Danny Phantom episode "Prisoner of Love" where Maddie moves back to Arkansas because Jack forgot about his wedding anniversary with Maddie. Also, information about this character was that Alicia is bitter, single and alone and she is divorce from her husband.
Here is the question: In the Danny Phantom episode, The Ultimate Enemy, after the death of Danny's friends and family at the Nasty Burger explosion and Danny moves in with Vlad, what about Alicia, Maddie's sister. Where was Alicia during the events of The Ultimate Enemy and why he never helped Danny? What is Alicia's reaction to her sister being dead? It would be interesting if, not only Danny moves in with Vlad on his castle, but also bringing Alicia with him to Vlad's castle so thet Alicia can meet Vlad. If Alicia was in The Ultimate Enemy, Alicia tries to convince Vlad not to go through of removing Danny's human emotion and they decide to help Danny recover from losing his family and friends and form a romantic relationship with each other. Plus, Danny and Vlad will show their ghost form to Alicia and tell them on how they acquire their ghost forms.
@@michaelsarmiento3362I didn’t think of that. That would be an interesting concept.
@@michaelsarmiento3362I think a tragic thing about Vlad is that he never moved on from Maddie and kept obsessing over her for 20 years straight, so I believe him getting with Alicia (I actually forgot about her so thanks for reminding me lol!) would've helped him finally move on and find genuine love in someone else.
@@otdreamer193yeah. In the episode, Jack, Maddie, Jazz, Tucker, and Sam were in a memorial statue together. While Mr. Lancer had a separate memorial statue.😅
@@michaelsarmiento3362I also guessed that Alicia’s marriage to her ex husband was horrible or possibly abusive, because she was grateful that Maddie remembered and threw a party celebrating her divorce anniversary.
I can see the strong comicbook influence on vlad's origin.
Was inspired by doctor doom's origin when reed's portal exploded on victor's face desfigurating him
It’s not Reed’s portal, it was Doom’s
Yeah Reed doubted it and since Doom is has an infinity sized he convinced himself Reed sabotaged it
S1 overall was really good on introducing villains for the time, getting to know the main cast, and learning Danny's powers with him. Other then Bitter Reunions I adore My Brothers Keeper because it really starts you make your think more.
Spectra knowing about Dannys ghost sense and blocking it out. Its the small things.
I really miss this show
Ill never forget when i asked my dad to help with my homework. He looked at the paper, made a face, looked at it for a while longer, and finally said, "I'm sorry, but you have gone past what I know. I can't help you with this."
What's that gotta do with anything
@@art23428 Themes and video talks about bonding with family
39:27 yeah don't even get me started on that. There were LOTS of times during Middle/High school where my mother's advice on something just did not work especially bullying cause she apparently was never bullied in school. Or she complains about something but if i do she basically says "get over it." I'm Autistic and we found out when i was 16 and despite knowing for almost 13 years, she still refuses to admit that my mind works differently.
Also i hate to be that guy but if you watched Danny Phantom when it was new, Vlad being part ghost wouldn't have been a surprise because Nickelodeon spoiled it in the preview for this episode when it was coming out.
I remember this.
I was trying to figure out what plot twist the title of the video was referring to.
If it's that, it's not a plot twist, the show does literally everything it can to show you Vlad is the villain.
You _do_ realize that the video title is sarcasm, right? It's the twist that was broadcasted so hard that basically _everyone_ saw it coming? That's the joke?
Danny Phantom is one of the best 2000s cartoons in my opinion, it defined the 2000s, and I also loved the interactions between Vlad Masters and Jack Fenton. And when anytime Danny possesses his father, Jack now sounds like him just sounds very hilarious to me.
In the episode "Masters of All Time," we find a timeline where Jack was in the victim of the accident and turned into Jack Plasmius. This indicates to me that there was a Plasmius entity who came through with the ecto-acne, and the accident caused whoever was on the other end to fuse with them to gain a ghost half. That could've easily had an affect on anyone's mind, especially with 20 years to fester. Either way, he's still an awful villain.
Awful as in terribly written?
@@dooplon5083 As in an awful person.
35:45 To be fair, I hadn't realized the flaw in Vlad wearing a suit in the middle of the night either. You just see him in a suit and bow tie so much that it feels immediately natural, and the fact that he _is_ a rich and eccentric man makes it feel totally feasible that he'd change in the middle of the night just to go pee before returning to bed with the sole purpose being to avoid not looking fancy while he has house guests. It kinda feels in character for him to just _be_ that eccentric, which is why I think Danny, and potentially even a good majority of the audience, thought nothing of it without it being pointed out directly - I surely didn't.
44:25 Also, I didn't think twice about the "Can you do this yet?", either. Just goes to show you that, when a show is written really well, they can distract the people who aren't nit-picking through their content as a career from the obvious flaws, and that just makes the episode even more impactful for people.
It probably helps that a lot of cartoons have kind of trained viewers to expect characters to almost always be in the same outfits. Even in that scene, Jack is still wearing his jumpsuit under his nightgown. So we just brush aside the fact that Vlad's clothes don't fit the situation as "of course that's what he's wearing, that's what he always wears."
In regards to the King, I find it mysterious that he died and Vlad was able to get his property. After which he invited the Phaetons to stay there and tried to have Jack killed before arriving. This makes me think that Vlad wanted Maddie to arrive widowed (single) so he could get a second chance at her. It also makes me suspect that he’s got even more twisted goals, methods and dreams then given credit for as it’s implied that Vlad either knew more about the King’s death then he was letting on or worse, had a strong hand in it. And as for Jazz in that last scene, I saw it a little differently from her point of view. Yes part of it is she’s being a know-it- all, but she also grew-up with her parents who were obsessed with ghosts and the supernatural, so she’s probably developed a level of dislike for such topics. Growing up there were probably many times that she was likely embarrassed by her parents for their profession and their reputation as not many people deal with those topics let alone have parents that deal with those topics. So when in front of her peers and knowing who her parents were the subjects of her parents profession and reputation was uncomfortable and most likely got her made fun of or meanly teased. In addition to that Jazz was also probably used to having such chaos around her after being brought-up in such a household and was the way that she came to cope with dealing with such issues. And lastly she just had to go on a trip with her family that she likely didn’t want to go on, had to stay in a haunted castle and had to stay with a real creep who constantly hit hard on her mom. So, yeah Jazz is being a pain, but it’s not without reason.
It's like the implication with Bradford and Duckworth.
Vlad would have also have had to account for at least four more things: 1. Maddie moving the family to her sister's. 2. Maddie's sister moving to Amity Park to be with them. 3. Maddie staying in Amity Park and restructuring the family business to stay afloat with her as the sole employee/boss, assuming she doesn't hire help to fill Jack's spot. (She'd even have extra money to pay them with him gone.) Or 4. Maddie moving to/taking in someone else on EITHER her or Jack's side of the family. This isn't like Danny in The Ultimate Enemy. If Jack were to meet his demise somehow, Maddie (likely) has options outside of Vlad to choose from. ESPECIALLY if she's creeped out by him. Vlad would either have to account for these, or be blindsided by them.
@@kagemaru397You are referring to Alicia, right, Maddie's sister from the episode "Prisoner of Love."
@@michaelsarmiento3362 Yes. It's been so long, I forgot her name.
Jack may be dumb sometimes but bro made Danny Phantom and Vlad Plasmus two of the most powerful ghosts in existence plus a device to summon and on to capture them he needs more credit love how this show played around with the "dumb parents" idea and actually had them be geniuses that screw up sometimes
I think it is just a major case of very selective smarts and competency. Like, technically you can be a master of psysics while not knowing that taxes exist. That kind of thing.
Okay the thing with Jazz' advice. She literally said that stuff _after_ their Mom said "that is the oldest excuse in the book" suggesting something along the lines they used the same excuse as kids. With Jazz' statements being, "okay, then prove it"... but in a _very_ diplomatic manner
In the case of Jazz trying to be a parent to Danny... that is something you expect with parents that are... uh... not particularly good at being parents. And the Fenton parents are _very_ bad parents
In the case of the "of course she was fired, she was posting crackpot stuff"... the _only_ evidence of "Ghosts" is somebody was flying. With this world having demonstrated that there is different sets of high-tech stuff. With the flying stuff likely being able to be chalked up to some new tech that Tucker likely would geek out over
As per her being bad at psychology... she is a kid. At her age, you've not had enough time to _not_ be terrible at psychology. Remember about how in order to be good at something, you gotta start off being not really that good at stuff
It should be noted that _After_ Jazz is aware of ghosts... she is usually the one that is able to come up with cover up stories for what happened. The twelve time she is able to blame it on weather balloons, she gets an ice cream sundae! Most of her cover up stories are very easy to point out issues with them. So, that kind of puts her disbelief of the flying stuff as understandable
And that evidence... isn't even evidence. "So I saw this happen!" isn not admissable evidence in court because, well, Ancedotal Evidence is drek. No one cares. If this story had been in the modern era and like 4 people filmed it then MABEY people might accept that as evidence (more than likely they would say it's an art project using SFX).
Thank you, I was getting annoyed when they went on about the big picture as if the characters at the time could even know. Then going on about the advice jazz gave being terrible. With what she knew that was good advice especially for being their first born who probably had to raise herself she tries to raise her brother because she knows her parents already can't. She didn't dismiss what Danny was going through like their parents did she offered a way for their parents to talk about their childhood like if they ever got grounded for being a few minutes late to curfew. She goes to highschool with him she probably sees and or hears what's happening with him in school. And when she finds out about his powers they grow even more closer because he feels safe to talk to her openly unlike his parents
That's my favorite part of the episode when skulker gets excited for his upgrades
The fact that Jack wasn't ARRESTED is a major plot hole
Realistically no one would get away with something like that
The FBI wouldve been all over Jack
@@SaiOkami777 My guess? Vlad fended them off somehow. There's a risk that HE would be found out there, and he couldn't have that at this point in the series.
Well ghosts are proven real in this world and Jack did say he was possessed. People wouldn't have no reason to believe him especially since he is a known ghost hunter.
@@kagemaru397 I'm talking about high school when he severely injured Vlad
@khankorpofficial: Well, you know. Instead of Vlad planning and seeking revenge after the sake of 20 years and setting out to kill and exile Jack, maybe if Vlad had just called the police later on or just had someone in the hospital know about what happened and report
the accident. Then they could've had some investigation for what happened in their college homeroom and the true evidence they'd find would be the diet cola instead of supposedly ecto-pureIfier left on their shelf on the wall, If Jack had been arrested,
maybe Vlad would've had his chance to get with Maddie that is if Maddie say, felt sorry for what happened to Vlad, and as if she couldn't stand Jack for almost killing him. And not wanting to be involved with someone who may
be identified as a dangerous outlaw and or a killer dangerous death trap that was blasted on high and full power all being caused by the mistakenly used by diet cola instead of ecto-purifier all for that matter... So, Yeah! That's my theory on that from what you just said there...
There is an episode that shows what would happen if Jack was the one who turned into a half human and ghost hybrid would be a good sequel to this episode on your channel
He's doing The Ultimate Enemy. But yeah, this would be another good one.
@Jacobgillingham6602: I've always wondered what it would've been like and how it would've been as if it were Maddie who got the ghost powers instead. Jack and Vlad had both felt that same about her. In the normal timeline after Vlad got the ecto-acne and the
ghost powers, not only was he hospitalized and having ruined his social life, he had become bitter and remained single, but in the alternate timeline with having it be Jack instead with getting the ecto-acne and him with the same ghost powers that Vlad originally
had. It was the same thing with Jack as it was for Vlad. Because with Jack, he had remained bitter and single like Vlad. But if it were to happen Maddie, then I wonder how it would be if say she was hospitalized with the ecto-acne and got the ghost powers. If she
was to remain single and bitter, I'd think if Jack and Vlad had both moved on for themselves without Maddie, and had maybe found different wives, then I'd like to see how Maddie would've been like all for those matters, as to if that were to happen with Maddie instead of Jack nor Vlad. 🤔... I've always wondered about how that would've been like... 🤔... hmm... any thoughts on anything with that theory whatsoever??
@@greatmyths86 This would be interesting.....She probably would have been pissed at Jack. And at least possibly questioning whether pairing off with him would be right. If Jack felt the same way or even if they were already dating at that point (and Vlad didn't know yet), it would have crushed him. He would have felt like scum and rethought his ways. And eager for a chance to prove/redeem himself with Maddie.
As for Vlad. It depends. On one hand, if his feelings for her were shallow enough, he probably would have gotten over Maddie then and tossed her aside while maybe still being friends with Jack. Unless he messed up another way somehow, like maybe insulting Maddie when seeing that Jack still cares for her. I could just as easily see Vlad visiting her in the hospital a bunch and trying to win her over instead of listening to her and caring for her as a person. MAYBE Maddie's taken in at first, but I could could likely see her being first inwardly, than outwardly repulsed at Vlad's self serving modus operandi and her rejecting him as both a friend and a prospective boyfriend.
So three ways: 1. Maddie is taken in by Vlad's manipulative charm in the hospital and she pairs off with him, similar to the Jack Plasmius (should be Phantom) timeline 2. Jack works his ass off to make it up to Maddie, preparing for the possibility she could dismiss him for good at any time, Maddie sees that Jack has changed and will be less reckless, and they end up together anyway (And Jack is turned on at the idea of doing it with his now half ghost girlfriend/fiancee/wife. :p Assuming they don't just try to find a cure for her and succeed.) 3. Maddie rejects both of them and deals with her pain away from them somehow, some kind of way. This is a wildcard and even I can't think of much beyond this.
Omggg, I genuinely forgot that this show had an overarching plot. It’s all coming back to me now and you’re right, it was SO GOOOOOOOOOD. 👻
Right??? When I remembered the plot, I KNEW I had to talk about this show. The foreshadowing and continuity is just perfect!!!
Thanks for watching, friend! I appreciate your support. :D
I would love to see a lego set of Vlad Plasmuis mansion. it's such a iconic location in Danny Phantom.
Can you do a retropective on The Ultimate enemy, the episode that tackles the Butterfly Effect.
I’d buy the hell out of a Vlad’s mansion Lego set! That’s straight up genius!
And yeah! That vid is definitely coming in the future. 😁 thanks for watching, friend!!!
Okay, they had a ghost theme a few years ago called “Hidden Side” the felt very Danny Phantom inspired, I’d love to see a Danny Phantom Lego set as well.
One of my favorite Nickelodeon shows! Wish they hadn't cancelled it so soon! Also I had kind of a crush on Amber and Desiree as a kid!
Although unfortunately the creator Butch Hartman years later would later tried to backpedal and say that the "Ghost" was actually monsters from another dimension! EVEN though ghost like Desiree, Point Dexter, and Amber was 100% confirmed to have been humans at one point before dying with their backstory! 💢
This show shoulda lasted forever
I agree! It was a bummer to see it cancelled so soon…
Butch Hartman though… ugh. Don’t get me started on that guy 🙄 he’s not the guy I thought he was when I was a kid… that’s for sure!!!
Alsoooo, your superthanks shout out is going to be in this Sundays video! 😁
You rock, ShadyRK9. I appreciate you.
@@DuskTillShawn Yeah. Fairly Odd Parents, and Danny Phantom is his 2 best shows that'd later get kinda ruined by him in someway.
Also thanks! Love your channel! It reminds me of a simpler time when me and my mother would watch these shows together. And today's also even her birthday!
Keep up the good work!
It would have been good to see a Season 4, but I'm kinda glad it didn't happen. Under Butch. He's an idiot and a grifter, plus Season 3 wasn't handled that well. He probably would have further run it into the ground like Fairly Odd Parents.
@@DuskTillShawn lole you talk about him like he's some sex trafficker or something
“Jack’s carelessness” Okay but Vlad was shoving his face in the damn thing.
While I appreciate all of your work done editing this video, I can't help but mention the episode when Danny tried to undo Vlad's accident through time travel. In that timeline, Jack became the hybrid but lost Maddie who had married Vlad. So, clearly they both had equal shots.
It was more along the lines of Vlad lied to her, saying that Jack was a threat. But Vlad kept her away from her passion, which was Ghosts. She wanted to study them but he wouldn't let her so she did it in secret. She wasn't happy with him but probably felt she had no choice since she thought that Jack was after her for revenge.
I don't think Jasmine was dismissing the ghost attack happened, I think she was just saying of course a reputable news source wouldn't post a story about it
I don't think I knew anyone who watched Danny Phantom when this originally aired who didn't immediately know the "mysterious ghost" was Vlad. It's like one of the most obvious reveals ever, especially since they talked about his accident with the ghost portal prototype.
Loved this Danny Phantom breakdown. It’s my favorite nicktoon. Can’t wait for more down the line.
Thank you so much for watching, friend!!! I’ve got a really cool plan for a few videos that will continue where this one left off 😊
Yoooo most of the time I’m an audio only listener. I’ve been listening to your vids while processing cadaveric human adipose tissue for experiments. Definitely keeps my mood up while I’m doing these lengthy procedures. Never lose your spark! I love your vids and save them for those processing days ❤❤ thanks man!
Thank you so much for you donation and support, friend!!!! I really appreciate it. :D
That sounds like a super complicated procedure! I'm so glad that my videos help keep the mood bright while you're hard at work :)
Babe wake up Shaun dropped a new video.... and it's Danny Phantom!! Keep it up with this amazing content my friend
Heheheheh there's my Flying Dutchman with the "babe wake up" comment!!! :D
Thank you so much, friend! I appreciate you a ton. Can't wait to read this in an upcoming SuperThanks Sunday!
11:54 To be fair. The wind up on the punch was so long and so telegraphed. Bro could have gotten some snacks, drinks and spoiled the ending before catching that hand.
Many people saw it coming. The commercial spoiled it.
What a treat! I’ve been revisiting Danny Phantom lately too. This show had some insane, yet memorable villains.
What a coincidence!!! :D
I love Danny Phantom. The shows writers did a great job with it. The creatively written villains were one of my favorite parts for sure!
Thanks for watching, friend!
@@DuskTillShawn Not as much in Season 3, but 1 and 2 fully agree.
Vlad, Pariah Dark, Fright Knight, Skulker, Ember, Youngblood, Desiree, Technus, Johnny 13, Shadow, Kitty, Spectra, Bertrand, Dark Danny, Klemper, Sidney Poindexter, Box Ghost, Undergrowth, Nocturne, Amorpho, Prince Aragon, Hotel Ra, what a rogues gallery.
@@elmermedina1713 And the most menacing of all, Dan Phantom.
41:33 in jazz's defence, you can read her statement as "of course she got fired, ghost stories arent believable" which is true. Its very easy to believe she got fired because if something similar happened in real life, id fully expect someone to be fired as well
Vlad not realizing that a ghost who he knows is named "Danny Phantom" is the same person as the kid of the guy he holds a grudge against named "Danny Fenton" who looks just like the superhero, is an extra layer of absurdity over Superman, because at least when Clark Kent takes off his glasses and people somehow don't see the blatant resemblance, he doesn't _also_ go by an extremely similar name like Clark Dent.
This was well put together… you nailed it right in the bullseye & you speak so well, I also live the time and effort put into the clips you chose…🎯… crazy to think I use to watch this every morning before school & now we grown. The into & outro music for this show will always be a nostalgic feeling. Whenever I hear it, I feel like it’s time for the bus.
According to butch hartman they wanted dannys cousin to absorb Vlad and become evil danny since in this timeline he didnt go down that route.
It was gonna be a huge showdown of her, danny, that black chick no one remembers and then dannys wedding to her.
So Vlad canon dies in the series. Let that sink in. An actual death in the show
Jazz having this now-it-all attitude is not only a Psuychology thing, it is also a Teenager thing. I may be old, but unlike most adults my age (are willing to admit), I remember well what I and my peers were like at her age. Teenagers start to be insufferable know-it-alls starting about age 15. While the world and teenage problems may change constantly, teenage attitudes tend to be pretty much constant, generation after generation.
8:56 Interestingly, the Green Bay Packers are the ONLY NFL team that is publicly owned!
Wonderful video! I love watching when I’m at work, makes my life a lot more peaceful ☺️
My absolute favorite line from this entire show is "can you help us find, and peck to death, this guy here?"
One of the best things about the show is the fact that it was episodic but still have an over arching story to it
If you ever do another Danny Phantom, can you do it on that one episode (I don't know the name) where an older version of Danny was the villain? Or do you already do one? Either way, I just love your voice and videos!
Yesssss!!
Originally, that’s what this video was going to be about. But I felt like starting here and building up to that one was a really fun idea. I love the idea of doing like a multi-part Danny Phantom video series that has its own overarching story of sorts. 😊
I’m excited to cover that episode, it was so good.
@llShawn The Ultimate Enemy is definitely a worthy episode to cover.
@@kagemaru397- probably one of the darkest episodes in Nick’s tenure lol. Danny’s ghost half straight kills his human half…
@@devereauxrobxyahoo Yeah. Between this, and Donnie's parents being killed by poachers, 90s Nick has nothing on these as far as dark scenes.
I personally don't think Vlad tried to get Maddie after the accident
I think the "yet" comment was moreso a "matter of time" kind of thing. Still thinks he can win her over but by showing her how much "better" her life would be with him. Or how he perceives better to be
That's my interpretation at least
Love your videos Shawn!! Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much! I'm SO HAPPY today. All of 1 hour ago this video was still on copyright jail lmao. I didn't think I'd get to upload today.
I'm so glad we're here. :D Thank you so much for watching, my friend!
I don't get why Harriet got called out as a crackpot when there were numerous witnesses.
Man, I wish the creator of the show hadn't lost his mind.
Appreciate all the hard work you put into these videos!
love the video man, hope your day is good
I suggest you to talk about the episode Aku's fairy tales from samurai jack next, it's my favorite episode of samurai jack and Aku was at his funniest and best in that episode in my opinion.
One of the little things that I always appreciated was that brief moment that Jack struggles against Vlad's control. Man has been possessed plenty of times before and after this, but the time that it happens that is remotely dangerous to Maddy, he manages to be aware of the control and resist it for a few seconds in order to warn his wife. It's impressive, and I always loved that detail.
So…Vlad’s home is canonically the Mars Cheese Castle…
What I find interesting about Vlad is that, in the alt-timeline where Jack becomes half-ghost instead of Vlad, Vlad marries Maddie & still gains both the castle and immense wealth. Implies that he never needed the ghost powers to become a success (and that he was technically right - if not for Jack's blunder, there was at least a chance that he would have gained Maddie's affections and and had a genuine relationship with her - especially since, iirc, he never tried to harm ghost-Jack in that timeline until prime-timeline Danny got involved and he realized Danny was going to try and set things back onto the path where Vlad become his evil-ghost self. Shows that he always had a nugget of evil, but that he was never all-evil).
I guess Vlad was always annoyed by Jack's stupidity, but he tried to be a good friend and keep their friendship. And honestly, he didn't seem all that evil before season 3 ruined everything, he was just broken and didn't recover to start his own family.
In my opinion, the show blew up the potential of Maddie divorcing with Jack and moving into Vlad's domain since he's the most trusted man she knows. Perhaps we could see Vlad's genuine care and support instead of unhealthy obsession and big ego.
Plus, it would've been awesome if Jack realized what a pathetic fool he is, quit ghosthunting and decided to find a new job to get Maddie back.
Such a shame Vlad's introduction episode ruined his ghost secret. If anything he certainly didn't need to destroy any potential relationship with his "son" and it would've been much more interesting if they both weren't aware of their ghost identities and were arch enemies while being on good terms as humans.
@@ashesGeek That would have been interesting to see. That last part.
Pass on Maddie leaving Jack. She always loved him. Flaws and all. And he loved her underneath it all himself. Vlad always had problems, but unlike Danny after The Ultimate Enemy, never resolved to fix them.
Assuming they weren't already dating but keeping it from him.
@kagemaru397 I understand, the show was already soap opera enough with pointless DannyXSam teasing when it would've been more interesting if they became a couple early on(ship teasing until the finale is one of the worst and most pathetic attention baits in media).
But it wouldn't have been that bad idea if Maddie actually began to question if her relationship with Jack is that healthy. Obviously everything would come back to normal, but since Jack and Maddie weren't given development throughout the show at least such plot would've been something interesting.
I only was introduced to the show and binged it this year, but apart from the mess that was season 3 I questioned myself why Vlad couldn't just clone Maddie if he tried to do that with Danny. Since he had holograms and AI imitating her it would've been his main priority logically. It's also a shame he didn't have any vampire powers when he obviously looked like one, the "occultist" Nickelodeon excuse cracked me up hard when I heard this especially when it's the same studio that gave foot fetish loving creep a chance to fulfill his darkest desires.
@eek Yeah, Danny and Sam could have been handled better as much as I shipped them since Day 1. AND Sam should have gotten better development. When do you think they SHOULD have gotten together if at all?
I feel like the thing with Maddie and Jack questioning things was more or less done in the episode she left to be with her sister for a while. So it DID happen, just within an episode. I do feel too like they should have been developed more. Maybe making their marriage troubles into an arc would have been better. ESPECIALLY since them and their family's way of life more or less depends on them being/staying married. They're the bosses/sole employees of their own business which is likely what keeps their family afloat.
As for Vlad not cloning Maddie, my guess is that he wanted the real thing. I can take or leave the vampire powers, and yeah, Dan Schneider's all sorts of terrible. AND had a similar problem to Butch. Can't write for shit without a team and had shows suffer as a result of this.
Vlad is probably one of the most complex villains for Nickelodeon, at least for the more light hearted show he was in. I think the graphic novel breaks down his character better than anything else.
As a kid who grew up in Wisconsin, when I first saw this episode mention so many Wisconsin things, I got so excited for some reason.
33:06 we have seen other attempts Vlad has gone for Maddie and Danny again after this incident and Maddie has specifically told Danny not to tell Jack about it, so perfectly possible.
actually there is episode that goes through danny's accident in the ghost portal and how he got his ghost powers called "Memory Blank"
Thank you so much for bringing up Danny Phantom!!!!!!! Maybe you could look at how teenager Danny finds his place in both the human and the ghost worlds over time, how Danny develops in how he relates with others from episode 1, and Tucker's confidence maturity. :) I'd love to see someone bring those themes into having episodes of their own. While watching this show, those and other themes and character developments were drawing points for my friends and me. :)
Thanks so much for watching, Hannah!!! I definitely want to make more videos about this show and those ideas are fantastic! I’ll add them to my list of videos to make. :D
I want to say I've been a big fan of your videos; seeing these videos and you analyzing these cartoons brings me back to my childhood when I first watched these shows, and even now, years later, they hold a special place in my heart. This is off-topic, but I wish Nickelodeon made more specials; I remember the Hey Arnold, Invader Zim, and Rocko's Modern Life specials. We could've seen more of our favorite cartoons, and I would've been happy with just a few more specials, maybe to wrap up storylines and get closure to these characters and their worlds; I even heard rumors other Nickelodeon cartoons expanded universe planned, and they chickened out on it at the last minute. Oh well, there's always hope for the future.
I wanted to talk about your theory about Vlad previously hitting on Maddie before episode Bitter Reunions, and she is keeping it a secret from Jack. That would fit both of their characters. Vlad really wants her for himself, and Maddie keeps Vlad's feelings towards her a secret from Jack because she fears Jack's reaction. Maddie said in the future episode that Jack has a jealous side and fears his overreaction, but I believe, as you said, she may want to preserve Jack's positive memories of his time in college and Vlad.
Honestly, as much as I like this theory, I'm going to have to debunk it. When Vlad revealed his feelings towards Maddie in episode Maternal Instincts, she was repulsed by him ever since, and while she kept it a secret from her husband Jack, she made her feelings known to Vlad discreetly, and while Vlad saving Danny may have caused her to say that she's willing to let bygones be bygones, she continues to have a negative view on Vlad. In this episode, Maddie is more awkward around Vlad and with his flirting with him. My theory is that Maddie is not taking his flirting seriously; she treats him as an old friend who may flirt with her. I also believe that Maddie is awkward around Vlad because of the accident; she knows that Vlad has a good reason to resent her husband, is sympathetic towards him for suffering from the accident, and knows that Jack is oblivious to Vlad's negative feelings. Maddie probably hopes that maybe the two of them can make peace with each other but acknowledges to herself that it's also unlikely that Vlad can forgive Jack and accept that and wants to protect her husband's feelings in case Vlad makes it clear that he's not going to forgive Jack. Of course, when Vlad reveals that he always resents Jack for stealing her away from him, Maddie loses whatever sympathy, positive feelings, and friendship she has had with Vlad and hated him ever since.
It's a good theory and fits both Vlad's and Maddie's characters, but it's unlikely to be true.
I'm looking forward to seeing you analyze other Danny Phantom episodes, and I'm going to comment on your other videos.❤
Heck yes and first I can’t wait for this new video. You’re awesome.
Heyyo, first comment!!!!!
Thanks so much for watching, friend! These early on comments help me a ton!
@@DuskTillShawn no problem friend you’re my favorite UA-camr and your videos and commentary is the best
The vultures being old and going to Florida 😂 is a reference i only got now damn
It's not nostalgic but I've recently discovered Owl House, and when you talk about what makes the story great, keeping the mystery without a cliff hanger, I thought of that. It is so great at balancing sci fi adventure with emotion with a little humor and horror. It's for kids so it's a little predictable but also keeps you interested to see how it all unfolds. But I think you'd like it and I'd love to hear your review of it.
I’ve heard really good things about Owl House! I’ll have to check it out 😁
@@DuskTillShawn I second this. Doubt you'll be disappointed.
Awesome to see a video about this show man
You sound like your reaching for that toxic incel statement, vlad didn’t say “that accident robbed me of finally getting Maddie to love me” he said it robbed him of his chance with her, obviously he didn’t just assume she’d end up with him, but he had the confidence to think he could of easily won her over if given the chance to impress her better then jack could have. This isn’t some incel thing, this is a classic love triangle situation that ended before it had time to grow into an actual race between the two guys
He still grabbed her and wouldn’t let her go as if she could be forced to love him.
We can tell you are an incel because you automatically approve of humiliating revenge when you don't get the affection you expected as a normal thing to do because of a love triangle. Lmao, it's classic incel 101 workbook page 81 "the incel does not catalogue incel behavior as incel, and calls others incels when disagreeing"
Every love triangle has a incel and a chad lol
Now this video makes me want to read that Danny phantom comic that came out a couple years ago and just relive the memories of that show. Nick needs to make a sequel or follow up series maybe a Netflix series similar to five years later.
19:38 If I were in this position, I likely would have accepted.
Like, Vlad already saved your life before (granted, he put you in the situation in the first place), and he currently has you in capitivity. For all you know, you are powerless to stop any of his plans; and you'll very likely make a powerful enemy even if you somehow manage to escape him. Not only does Vlad have leverage over you in the ghost-world, but also in the real world with his wealth and influence.
I love the ending to this show. Was perfectly done and gave us everything we wanted to see. If they were ever to do a continuation of Danny Phantom, it should be about people who discover they can fuse themselves as half ghost and exploit it for their own gain, and the ghosts and the Phantom family have to fight it. Would be sick!
There is an episode in the second season w that reverse Vlad and Jack roles that said a lot about both characters
Vlad was always gonna be terrible. Because in all timelines except for the Dan Phantom one, he chose this. I think Jack does have on rose colored glasses with Vlad throughout the series (until the finale), and it IS very likely Vlad just tolerated him (to get to Maddie likely). Wish we'd seen more of their dynamic in the 80s and maybe even before. And how Maddie's sister fit into all of this. Maybe they were in a way the Danny and Jazz of their generation. In the timeline where Vlad marries Maddie instead, he treats her like an object and manipulates her. He sees her as a prize to be won and not a human with agency. If she wanted to, she would have gone for Vlad instead of Jack.
It reminds me of the dynamic between Let, Julia, and Jegan in Rave Master. But with them, we get to see more of how things ended up the way they were. Let=Jack, Julia=Maddie, and Jegan=Vlad. Plus I was reading Rave Master around the time that Danny Phantom was on. (If anyone cares, I'm 32, 3 years older than Shawn, and this was between late 2004 and when the show ended in 2007. I would go on to read Rave until its own end in 2009.)
I never noticed that Maddie appears literally and figuratively closer to Jack in the 80s. Hell, they may have even ALREADY been dating by then, but for some reason Vlad didn't know. (Maybe Maddie intentionally wanted to keep it a secret, having a bad feeling at least, or wanted to sneak around with Jack a bit for her own shits and giggles if Vlad wasn't a factor. Or it was Jack's idea to keep it a secret for whatever reason. Definitely nothing to do with Vlad since he didn't even realize until the end of the series Vlad was into Maddie and likely would have at least been more careful with this if he ever knew. Even if it is him. If so, that'd make them even MORE like the Rave Master trio.
Vlad contacting Maddie...that'd be an interesting twist. I feel like Vlad would have been more subtle in trying to lure her from Jack back then. But if he WAS more up front, I could easily see Maddie keeping quiet so Jack remembers him as he was (to him) and not the traitor and (attempted) homewrecker he truly is. Also, women tend to feel uncomfortable talking about sexual harassment/unwanted advances. She could have just as easily felt gross about the whole thing and maybe was afraid of how one or both or EITHER would respond to Vlad being exposed. Afraid that Jack would think she was cheating or would flip out on her or him (which if this would have been when he was rich could have led to a ring of Hell), and/or even that he'd question if Danny and/or Jazz are actually his stepkids or not. Afraid that Vlad would go psycho on her, or Jack, or even Danny and/or Jazz if they'd been born at that point. (depending on when Vlad got out of the hospital, this was likely after those two were born) She could have been afraid for her career (even though she's her own boss by the mid 2000s), her birth family's judgement, society's judgement. Society is plain AWFUL to women who get creeped on.
I chalk up Danny not realizing he was dealing with another half breed to the shock of it all. He WAS in the middle of a fight and didn't have time for TOO much thinking. As for Jazz, yeah, she had issues back then. But thankfully gets better. She thought she got it all, but got nothing. And ignored her own problems. Katara and Mako were the same way, but Jazz doesn't even have the excuse of dead/absentee parents. And she got out of the closest she would have come to this in the Dan Phantom debacle. Yeah, empathizing with Danny would have been better. It wasn't the 70s/80s anymore and things were different. I too think it's a load of crap to think like that. While there's universal things that never change about being a teenager/younger adult, it's different eras. I can't relate to my parents' generation of having typewriters in school and I can't relate to the generation of my classmates' kids having tablets in school.
40 minutes of nothing
What a click bait title. Also that wasnt even really a plot twist especially if i figured out the plot as soon as i saw the flashback at 6 years old.
I like how the episode "Masters of All Time" explores the what-if timeline if it was Jack who got in the accident instead of Vlad. Throughout the episode its clear that Vlad was always evil, and that the only thing the accident did was give power to that. He did end up with Maddie, but its hinted at that he got with her through psychological manipulation (the fact Vlad told Maddie that Jack was on the hunt to kill her so they had to be secluded together).
I kind of suspected Vlad is Danny's Biological father. They both had DNA that could accept Ghost molecules. And doesn't work with anyone else... You know like Danny some how has Vlad's Altered DNA..And had the same build and phycal look. Ghee how can that happen? 😅 SO YES I THOUGHT STARWARS!
"Jobs were different, cost of living was different" Holy crap was cost of living sooooooo different
Thw "Back in my day" argument isnt that nothing has changed. But the important things that you look back on are universal. You think back to high school and remember tough classes, crazy drama, not fitting in, bad teachers, club activities, first girlfriend etc. These things DONT change. The world is always changing but humans stay the same. Classes might change but your classmates and teachers are still the same homo sapiens.
"I don't know what it's like to be an 18-year-old today." Well, at least in my school, D is now passing, and the majority of the assignments are on the computer.
This video was great Shawn loved it and it gave me a better perspective on the episode. If you do another video on dark themes I highly suggest the teen titans especially Robbin’s arc in the first season and the ptsd episode he goes through in season 3 which imo is the darkest ep of that series
OK yes he is entitled as a villain, but I would argue that the Vlad of the past may not have necessarily been the same as the Vlad of now, as we don’t know what has occurred to change his outlook on life between that event, and now
His entitlement could have been born from obsession over that day, rather than something he always had as it’s pretty easy to assume either or so I don’t necessarily feel bad for the person he chose to become. I do feel bad for the Vlad of the past.
And there’s no thing stopping him from turning his path around
There's an episode that shows what if Jack and Vlad switched places. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.
Love this video. I remember watching this episode when it first aired and suspecting the Vlad was this mystery new ghost and how awesome it felt they quickly confirmed it. Something else I realize is looking at Jack, Maddie, & Vlad’s backstories it’s very similar to Dr Doom & Reed Richards in the Fantastic Four comics. The only difference being that in the comics Reed and Victor von Doom were roommates/colleagues in college. When Dr Doom tried to build a machine that would open a portal or try to view a portal to hell to save his mother’s soul (comic books). Reed notices the formula is wrong and tries to warn Doom who doesn’t listen. The machine malfunctions and explodes horribly disfiguring Dooms face and expelling him from the im university, despite this he would forever blame Reed Richards for this. Sometime after Reed would meet and fall in love with Sue Storm (who’s never met Doom prior to the Fantastic Four). Some more noticeable comparisons could be the green and gold color scheme (also great for Wisconsin), the fact that he has a mansion that is very obviously an ominously styled castle, plus both villains aren’t afraid to be a bit campy, dramatic, and theatrical.
A lot of this was taken up by the idea that things change across generations, and while that is true, the way you harp on it makes it seem like it was ALWAYS just ignorant for parents to weigh their children's current struggles against their own past struggles. The thing is, that sentiment from parents was a lot more true around the 2000s when Danny Phantom was on the air. The Web becoming a mainstream part of culture to the point that it supplants people's social experiences, it's changed the new generation's struggles entirely.
You don't really see parents saying that they know exactly what their kids are going through anymore, not in the same way that parents used to do (like what you see in this decade-old show). The struggles of the newer generations are alien, and the parents know it. Some try to keep their kids off the Web entirely out of fear, some keep their hands off because they don't really know what to do, and some parents even become victims themselves to a lack of media literacy when faced with things they find on the Web.
A parent of today saying that they know exactly what their kids are going through, that would be worth the outrage, but a parent back in the 2000s saying it? It wasn't so ignorant back then. Social media was Myspace, which teenagers would get on maybe 30 minutes out of a day, since you couldn't access it through the phone, in turn because smartphones weren't really established in those times. Culture mostly played out through the same mediums for decades, right up until social media & smartphones became a staple of mainstream culture. I get that the difference in struggles between generations is a very legitimate grievance especially now, but when you're looking back at people of the past, judging them by the standards of today puts a bit of a wrench in how you might perceive what they're thinking.
I think Jazz was trying to trick their parents into getting distracted by nostalgia of their youth and lay off Danny, rather than giving legit advice.
Common tactic for children in cartoons, if not reality.
Disagree with you about how Vlad is acting like it was his right to be with maddie @29:45 ... In fact, that goes against everything we've seen from Vlad in this episode. He doesn't want to FORCE Maddie to be with him against her will, he just wants to have the CHANCE to possibly be with her, that he feels he missed out on having the possibility of exploring due to Jack's negligence and injuring him and removing him from the equation.
Which is also pretty fair of him to feel that way, but it's also still not right for him to try and sabotage their relationship and break up their family just because he never got to shoot his shot and see where it could have gone, and definitely not right for him to attack others and try to frame Jack for it. That's something that's really good about the writing of this villain here actually, that despite being the antagonist, Vlad is 100% understandable and able to be sympathized with, despite knowing he's also going to far and in the wrong for what he's doing. He's a complex character, and incredibly well written for a kids cartoon.
Dude getting to your section on "being a kid nowadays" hits home HARD for me. I became a parent at around 19, so I was really not too far removed from being a school age kid. Now my kids are in school, one about to go into middle school, and WOW things are different. They still have planners, much like we did, but they also are issued small laptops to do work at home. They do about half their homework on them, the other half being your classic paper homework. I'll say I do appreciate it more though, as the kids are like I was and constantly erasing and re-writing things on homework. Sometimes they'll mess up the paper, whereas on the computers they can just re-do it.
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More Danny phantom content! I love it
I hope I was the only one singing the intro when he played the entire clip in full without audio. Shit had me mentally jamming ngl; great video and good analysis of the finale of Danny Phantom.
1:13 can anyone else hear the theme song word for word at this moment? Just me? Cool.
Ah man, I am so glad I found this video. It has been years since we saw this show. We have all three seasons on DVD and I think I need to pull them out again. I forgot how good this show was!
If this episode has commentary enlighten my hartman rants please.
5:35 Well, you might say he's "GOING THROUGH A PHASE!" 😆
A lot of people are talking about Vlad's Obsession with Maddie, if she did, and if so why she diddnt visit him in the hospital. but I have Two points to make about this.
Firstly, if a guy has a never before seen Illness, such as Ecto Acne, then odds are the that he isnt Allowed any visitors because no one knows if its contagious. its not up to jack and maddie to visit, because he likely isnt allowed any.
Secondly, Ghosts are often defined by a Couple of things, one of which is Obsession. Most Every Ghost has one. Boxes, Hunting, Fame, Time, ect. Vlad is obsessed not because hes a creep and can't take no for an answer. He's Obsessed because when he became a ghost he never got to even ask Maddie out, and because of how ghosts are he literally cannot do a thing about it.
Though in fairness, his obsession isn't Maddie per se, its more that he's obsessed with family. hence why he goes so far in an attempt to make Danny his kid, and Maddie his wife. as well as hating Jack for Taking his potential family away.
Honestly, its all kinda tragic that for all his power, he can't get the one thing that he is obsessed with and literally needs in order to stay mentally healthy as a ghost.
Jack is smart in the intellectual way(as he mentioned that no one in the family got even below an A for Science), but has the wisdom of a kid. In DND terms, his intellect is like 18, but his wisdom is like 6 to 8.
Which is the crux of the story. Jack is never evil or actively trying to hurt anyone. He is just a bit careless and absent minded. Vlad is the true villain in the story, due to the fact that, as we see, even in a world without Vlad getting the ghost powers, he is still pretty much a dick. Vlad is just naturally self centered and while wisdom and intellect is high, he is a naturally chaotic to neutral evil person. Jack is just chaotic good, much like his wife, who swings from chaotic good to neutral good.
Sides, funny thing is, Maddie's wisdom stats ain't that good herself. Standing at lowest a 10, to highest a 14 for all intents and purposes.
I’m honestly surprised you didn’t go over the episode where jack actually got hit instead and jack became the half ghost. Liturally showing what would happen if it was jack instead of vlad.
The funny thing is in an Altered Timeline
Jack is the Evil Ghost and Vlad is with Maddie