Yes, it's a Fusion | Another Mega Debunk
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
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Insertion of Telomeric Repeats in the Human and Horse Genomes: An Evolutionary Perspective
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Origin of human chromosome 2: an ancestral telomere-telomere fusion.
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Spontaneous telomere to telomere fusions occur in unperturbed fission yeast cells
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Recent fusion events during evolution of pig chromosomes 3 and 6 identified by comparison with the babirusa karyotype
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Different fusion configurations of evolutionarily conserved segments in karyotypes of Potamochoerus porcus and Phacochoerus africanus
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Robertsonian Fusion and Centromere Repositioning Contributed to the Formation of Satellite-free Centromeres During the Evolution of Zebras
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Conservation and characterization of unique porcine interstitial telomeric sequences
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Genomic Structure and Evolution of the Ancestral Chromosome Fusion Site in 2q13-2q14.1 and Paralogous Regions on Other Human Chromosomes
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Interstitial Telomeric Repeats as Markers of Evolutionary Changes in the Mammalian Karyotype: Human Chromosome 2
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Chromosome-Specific Centromere Sequences Provide an Estimate of the Ancestral Chromosome 2 Fusion Event in Hominin Genomes
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The evolution of African great ape subtelomeric heterochromatin and the fusion of human
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It bothers me that these guys are literalists, they call themselves “standing for truth”, and yet they are sitting.
And, every now and again, they are shitting on truth.
You could say they are "sitting for lies".
@@RichWoods23 You wrote, "And, every now and again, they are shitting on truth."
I very much disagree with you. It is not "every now and again." They are shitting on the truth virtually all the time.
And lying.
Standing for truth, lying for Jesus.
Imagine a dog on a roadside, barking on every passing car. It feels strong and important - look at all these giant metal monsters running away scared of this dog's mighty barking!
Meanwhile people in cars don't even notice the dog.
Except from some rare kind people. Let's call one of them Erica. She stops her car to make sure the poor lost dog is okay, to show it the way home. But turns out that the dog is fine, it's not in any danger, it knows it's way home, it's allowed inside anytime. The dog it just stupid.
(just in case - cars in my analogy represent science. And the dog, empowered by Erica' attencion, misguidedly feels even more important, and starts barking at her instead)
this analogy is hilarious
Perfect analogy
I would like to point out that this is unfair to dogs, or any life form more complex than a PRION to be honest
@@evilgingerminiatures5820 I would like to point out that prions are not life forms
incredible analogy
“I found a penny at the beach, proving all sand and water are made of pennies!” - yec-logic.
It's actually more like saying: "I found land on the coastline, so finding land in the middle of the ocean doesn't prove there's an island there!"
No, that is evolutionist logic. We see similarity, therefore evolution. 🤷🏾♀️
@@katrinacook8981I don't know how to tell you this, but people don't think pennies, sand and water are the same things. That's a strawman if I've ever read one.
This is devastating for YECs. You can see why they're so desperate to debunk it. They just go into cognitive dissonance and grasp at straws.
God is giving people what they need to avoid problems, God made the heavens and the earth
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Everything is devastating to yec’s. Reality consistently disagrees with their worldview.
Once they’re convinced the Bible is true from soup to nuts, what can they do? There’s a lot of sunken costs incurred to change their minds.
Some are just in flat out denial of demonstrable facts
What about grasping straws is devastating for YEC?
It obviously doesn't matter to them.
Wow these guys are pathetic. Thanks for taking the time to debunk them with all your other work, they probably aren't worth the time or consideration with all the actual science to be done but it really is cathartic to watch.
If the channel is called "Standing for Truth" but he's always sitting down, does that mean that he knows YEC isn't true? 🤔
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN?
God is giving people what they need to avoid problems, God made the heavens and the earth
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Mm mm. Spongebob
They aren't listening. They already know they're wrong, it's about keeping their gullible followers seated in front of the monitor and sending in those "donations".
Literally my thought jajaja
@@philleprechaun6240 Exactly. They know they're lying. They also know their audience simply doesn't care. They could read out Hans Christian Andersen, claim it was really bible quotes and still get donations. The fact that the other guy is a former breatharian is so telling - he must have been faking that the entire time, there's no way it can have been anything other than an entirely conscious fraud.
"Compared to you, *I'm* concise. *Me* !"
Using yourself as an insult, lol I love it. Also I really love how long your videos are! It's such a treat to watch them and there's so much to get into! Who wants a *small* slice of cake?
I love the long ones, too.
Is the cake chocolate or German chocolate?
Erika your work on this channel has singlehandedly helped inspire my own love of evolution, and renewed a general love for science in me. I cannot thank you enough for all you do for the minds of your fellow gentle and very modern apes ❤
Erika’s claims are based on assumptions rather than facts. There are still a few problems to overcome. First of all, telomeres are normally 5000 to 15000 bases long. If a telomere declines less than 4000 bases long, the cell dies. So the total fusion site must be at least 8000 telomeres long. The so called fusion with telomeres in human chromosome 2 is only 798 bases long. That’s way too short. The second problem is that the fusion site is situated entirely inside a gene responsible for hundreds of functions. One of the most important is that it codes for RNA polymerase II. It is responsible for unspooling the genetic program in the form of protein-coding mRNAs and some small non-coding RNAs. These are essential for life.
For the alleged cryptic centromere found in the human chromosome 2 there is the problem that it is exceptionally small compared to a real centromere, only a few percent of the length of a real centromere and there’s also the problem that it is situated inside a protein coding gene.
@@mauricedicke9527 who asked.
@@mauricedicke9527She literally answered these questions in the video.
It’s more like adaptation not evolution
You make a lot of extremely good points but you made a fatal error...
...they fabricated their own goal and are now gonna cover their ears and close their eyes because they're scared
Excellent work Erika! Just as an extra point on the DDX11L2 gene, it is actually even worse for creationists than you hinted, and the really hilarious part is that according to Costa et al (2009) there is a chimpanzee equivalent to DDX11L2, and guess where it’s located? Right there in the sub telomeric region of the exact chimp chromosome you would expect if the fusion happened. Here is the exact quote:
“The human DDX11L gene family members showed a significant sequence similarity with the DDX11 homologous gene of chimpanzees and rhesus on chromosomes IIp and 11, respectively. “
Kudos to you too loved your debate with Robert suegenis
A former used car salesman vs. a real scientist. It never ends well for the person that is one step away from politician as far as honesty goes.
Erika’s claims are based on assumptions rather than facts. There are still a few problems to overcome. First of all, telomeres are normally 5000 to 15000 bases long. If a telomere declines less than 4000 bases long, the cell dies. So the total fusion site must be at least 8000 telomeres long. The so called fusion with telomeres in human chromosome 2 is only 798 bases long. That’s way too short. The second problem is that the fusion site is situated entirely inside a gene responsible for hundreds of functions. One of the most important is that it codes for RNA polymerase II. It is responsible for unspooling the genetic program in the form of protein-coding mRNAs and some small non-coding RNAs. These are essential for life.
For the alleged cryptic centromere found in the human chromosome 2 there is the problem that it is exceptionally small compared to a real centromere, only a few percent of the length of a real centromere and there’s also the problem that it is situated inside a protein coding gene.
This is just the same creationist dribble where you baselessly assert that all mutations are always harmful. That’s not necessarily the case and you need to prove otherwise.
@@mauricedicke9527just because you haven’t learned science doesn’t mean science isn’t fact.
@@mauricedicke9527 Maurice you're making a YEC level whoopsie daisie.
The fusion site *isn't* complete telomeres, if they were they couldn't have fused. Both are degraded to the point of allowing them to fuse, in an attempt to not disappear. Erika mentions this in the video. Multiple times.
I remember hearing about this and thinking nature was wondrous enough without having to resort to magic. The history of the Y chromosome also kind of blew my mind.
Thanks Erica! EVERYTHING these clowns say is a straw man or a lie . . or both. Being a YEC must be extremely stressful, since reality doesn't match what they believe. Keep up the great work! Love your channel, and I love these extremely detailed, longer form videos. 😀👍🐧🐧
It's not stressful though. They think we're just intellectually dishonest and missing the "obvious fact" that "macroevolutionary" changes from an amoeba to an amoeba with an arm have never been observed.
I wonder about that too. What kind of emotional drain do these kinds of people have to deal with on a day to day basis when their entire reality is a fabrication that doesn't match up to objective observations? Like I can't imagine the stress of living like that, being trapped in this nightmare fantasy world where everything is wrong. It sounds like a kind of self-induced schizophrenia to me, like there's nothing left in the world you can engage with anymore, you have to retreat into your own bubble more and more. I mean, for me, 90% of my life would be totally upended. Everything from hobbies to the media I consume to my scholastic interests, even down to just ordinary conversations with friends and family, it's inescapable that something like dinosaurs or space is going to come up multiple times a day. Like... what do these people do for fun?
Not really stressful for them. They make their money from followers seeking positive confirmation of their beliefs. This is why you can never really get them to admit they are wrong.
@@KeithDart To be clear I meant your average joe who believes in creation. Yes, creation "scientists" are all perfidious.
Erika’s claims are based on assumptions rather than facts. There are still a few problems to overcome. First of all, telomeres are normally 5000 to 15000 bases long. If a telomere declines less than 4000 bases long, the cell dies. So the total fusion site must be at least 8000 telomeres long. The so called fusion with telomeres in human chromosome 2 is only 798 bases long. That’s way too short. The second problem is that the fusion site is situated entirely inside a gene responsible for hundreds of functions. One of the most important is that it codes for RNA polymerase II. It is responsible for unspooling the genetic program in the form of protein-coding mRNAs and some small non-coding RNAs. These are essential for life.
For the alleged cryptic centromere found in the human chromosome 2 there is the problem that it is exceptionally small compared to a real centromere, only a few percent of the length of a real centromere and there’s also the problem that it is situated inside a protein coding gene.
They NEED to believe what they believe. It's important to tell themselves that they have debunked common ancestry, origin of life, dating methodology, and so on. It'll never end.
They will debunk themselves if that is what it takes …
@@advorak8529 -- Well I couldn't believe the honesty of the one guy (I forget his name) in this video who admitted that "the evidence is not in our favor." He went on to say something to the affect "We're giving the best argument in spite of the fact that the facts are not on our side." So yes, they will debunk themselves.
@@user-lb8qx8yl8k - That person calls himself "Raw Matt" or something like that.
"Ooh, and she (Gutsick) gets triggered by..."
I am so sick of the lazy, thoughtless cruelty of reactionaries trivializing trauma by calling any emotional reaction in their opponents "getting triggered." I know it's only tangentially related to the topic, but it just demonstrates that SFT's Donny is a terrible person like the rest of the YEC's.
it's also INSANE for reactionaries to pick on others for... _reacting emotionally._
to elaborate a little, "i believe i know better than you and you are insulting my intelligence" is a completely natural response to receiving information that contradicts your world view, even if your world view is flawed and naive and reactionary. it's really weird to look back on how left-wing _acknowledgement of social science_ has resulted in the labeling of any negative emotion experienced by a leftist as the classic "triggered liberal" stereotype, when the anger they're attempting to describe is something literally everyone experiences and it doesn't look anywhere near the same as a trauma response.
...bah. people will be rude and hateful for such silly reasons.
Hi Erica. As a fellow PhD candidate (studying developmental genetics/biology), I have no idea how you find the time to respond to the nonsense these guys spew. You are an inspiration!
If you ever need someone to run Blast, use Chimera, or any of the more genetics/wetlab stuff that could pop up, feel free to hit me up! I’d be happy to help you dunk on these guys!
Ooh my, seems I’m early. This channel has been one of my best resources for genetics, evolution, anthropology, and all biology I am a fan of. Sure, I had a surface level knowledge before finding this, but Gutsick Gibbon’s depth in her videos is hard to find online, and a resource I am thankful for. Thanks for providing educational and interesting content online!
Best part of being early is that the popcorn's fresh.
God is giving people what they need to avoid problems, God made the heavens and the earth
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@@KianaWolf popcorn can go stale?
😬😬😬
@@vforwombat9915 Yes, popcorn can go stale. Try 4000 year old popcorn … as palatable as YECdiots.
@@advorak8529 "Try 4000 year old popcorn … as palatable as YECdiots"
so you're saying young earth popcorn is YECky.
I remember, 20 years ago, creationism was that weird thing "from america"; a sort of cult with so few people that nobody talked about...
I'm not sure if they were just more discreet then or if they learned how to use social media to spread their lies better, but I regret that time.
If anything, they were more loud. The religious right has put the issue to the backburner to focus on other culture war issues.
It's because it's tied to evangelicalism and they've always been about growth and world domination.
They breed like rabbits.
@@menotyou8369
it's genuinely upsetting that these people reiterate "be fruitful and multiply" as the core lesson from Noah's Ark. like chill! some of the best people i know are going childless and some of the worst scum of the earth are putting Octomom to shame (did you know she had SIX OTHER KIDS??)
oy vey
and sure, humans need a large family unit... _but the only reason we don't have that is because of the isolation brought on by the "single-family home" model of American suburbia._ which is ANOTHER awful thing from the US which spread across the world like a plague.
that fucking country gives me such a headache i swear.
also to nip this in the bud: not a eugenicist. people can have as many kids as they want; whatever, not my business. i just wish all these kids weren't stuck with the sole guidance of their weird fucking parents and creepy-ass ministers.
God, i hate evangelism.
I love the bit where he says "if you admit this, I'll admit something else". Which just makes it perfectly obvious that he _knows_ he's lying and acting in bad faith on the heat problem.
It's cute when liars forget they're supposed to pretend not to be lying.
All the stellar science aside, this editing is *chef kiss*. A perfect amount of tomfoolery for the clown show SFT insistes on holding. Great work, Erika!
Erika’s claims are based on assumptions rather than facts. There are still a few problems to overcome. First of all, telomeres are normally 5000 to 15000 bases long. If a telomere declines less than 4000 bases long, the cell dies. So the total fusion site must be at least 8000 telomeres long. The so called fusion with telomeres in human chromosome 2 is only 798 bases long. That’s way too short. The second problem is that the fusion site is situated entirely inside a gene responsible for hundreds of functions. One of the most important is that it codes for RNA polymerase II. It is responsible for unspooling the genetic program in the form of protein-coding mRNAs and some small non-coding RNAs. These are essential for life.
For the alleged cryptic centromere found in the human chromosome 2 there is the problem that it is exceptionally small compared to a real centromere, only a few percent of the length of a real centromere and there’s also the problem that it is situated inside a protein coding gene.
Ikr! Loved the random meme cuts😂 also to the guy above me: why did you reply with this to this exact comment?
Perhaps they should change their name from "Standing for Truth" to "Lying for Money".
I'm a mechanical engineering major. I know nothing about biology. I have no clue what's happening but your passion for the subject and my disdain for YECs makes it interesting 👍
That “my brother in Christ” had me dying 🤣
Love you and what you do, Erika. Thank you so much for taking so much time and going into such excruciating detail in order to dismantle these pseudoscientists’ arguments. You’ve been absolutely foundational in my exodus from the YEC camp.
Keep up the fantastic work. 🙌🏻
proud of you :)
Hi, i love your work. Unfortunately, a lot of what you explain, especially when it comes to genetics go over my head. Even though, you do your best to break down complex ideas for the layperson, there are a lot of basics I lack. It would be great if you could do a genetics for dummies type video as an addendum to your more geetics focused videos. Keep up the good work
Stated Clearly is a great resources for the basics on a lot of this stuff. His animations are really helpful if most of this stuff goes over your head.
I just really like her voice and the way she speaks even if I don’t understand something I like the long videos to fill the silence
Plus she gives me some ideas to speak up on when my young earth creationist cousin sends me AIG stuff. And yes my cousin has sent me some Kent Hovind lectures and she takes what he says seriously
I've been hoping to see a debunk to these two from you..I tried to watch some of their stuff a few times but without a sanity interruption to break it up, I can't watch more than 10 mins 😂
i have so much respect for the time and energy you put into these. i like the science, i love your commentary, and i really love the animations.
As someone with a master's degree in microbiology and genetics, this is absolutely painful to watch. Yes, of course you find isolated telomere sequences somewhere else. You can basically find ANY short sequence somewhere in the human genome!
Not to mention that I wouldn't be surprised if some other even more degraded fusion sites turned up. Those events are not that uncommon, but these sites are hardly conserved and therefore prone to mutations that don't affect anything. But as the Chromosome 2 fusion is by far the most recent event, we would expect the fusion site to be the least degraded. And guess what? That's what we find.
You really need to stop assuming they are misunderstanding in good faith. Unless you're mentally unable to tie your own shoes there is no way to be told EXACTLY how and why you're wrong over and over and over just to "misunderstand" again. This is a death nail in their arguments so they will always "misunderstand" it. Just like their heat problem. They get it, they just won't ADMIT it.
This is a nitpick, I know, but the phrase is "death knell." A knell is the sounding of a bell, especially when rung for a death or funeral.
Other than that, you're completely right.
When you played the clip from MDD. around the 20:00 mark. I was overwhelmed by emotion.
It was a weird combination of nostalgia and “holy crap I’ve been watching YEC debate content for how long now?”
Fun video nonetheless. Keep it up
With your intellect, unique sense of humor, work ethic, and education (good looks too), these guys are lucky you even engage with them at all.
thinking about becoming a YEC so highly intelligent and successful people will berate me...
Is easy to debunk them since a lot of them believe the Earth is only 6000-10,000 years old and a 600 year old man built a floating zoo.
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@@specileggRidiculous supersti4ious nonsense.
Who lived to the age of 950. It boggles my mind that believers don't have a problem with this detail.
It's ironic and hilarious how he can see the non-existent fusions in chromosomes, but CAN'T see the very obvious fusions in Genesis where five completely different traditions were merged together to form the Torah.
Something tells me he has never read it in the original Hebrew or was interested enough to ask a Jewish person.
As a theistic evolutionist much love and respect don’t let them get away with this dumb shit 😭
How? Evolution of adam and eve is the fact not the genesis account. Either a mistake or ignorance or lies which one?
How can we make a myth about a creator, compatible with natural selection?
@@horebandemariam9989 just let people be. You don't need to know why they hold that position, unless they try pushing it on you.
@horebandemariam9989
That's not what they've said though.
Assuming they're monotheistic they believe their god holds a selective power wrt evolutionary events and mutations.
@@kablamo9999well it's pretty simple, perhaps god helped make the first living being or ensured the universe would be made in such a way to allow living beings to arise and evolve to their current form. Evolution still happens, God just ensured that life arose so Evolution could take hold.
Sorry but it's really funny to hear him say "We just demolished that" so many times while completely misunderstanding the entire situation. It's like toddler reaching over the chess board to knock over your king and then declaring themselves the winner.
I have absolutely no patience for people who complain about “being taken out of context” when the “context” is hours-long livestreams
Donny: "This argument is dead, dismantled. We have another evolutionist with egg all over their face"
He's basically his own hypeman, isn't he?
And perpetual liar, as is the standard of any creationist channel with "truth" in the name.
God is giving people what they need to avoid problems, God made the heavens and the earth
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@@specileggCut and paste superstitious nonsense.
Two goobers excitedly chattering back and forth among themselves proudly thinking they've debunked every scientist on the planet having studied nothing.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if BLAST supports GPU hardware acceleration (CUDA, etc )? I don't do anything related to genetics, but using a massively parallel system to accelerate what I assume is a relatively linear workload (quarrying a genome for specific sequence arrangements) seems like a viable way to significantly speed up said analysis in BLAST, or any other genomic analysis tool with a large enough data set.
I recently added support for GPU acceleration in a piece of software that I work on, and when the hardware is there, it's night and day! Like with transcoding video files, using GPU acceleration can mean a difference between a few seconds and possibly several minutes, IF the hardware is present in the system.
Anyway, that question popped into my head while I was watching your video. Thanks again Erica for all that you do!
The original BLAST did not, but people have been working on GPU accelerated versions of BLAST for over a decade (according to papers I've found online), so I have to assume by now a lot of versions have incorporated that at least? But it's singularly possible that it hasn't been universally implemented. At least with a quick Google search I haven't found any definitive answers in that regard. Maybe someone who actually uses the tool can give us final answer, but since I found... A partial answer I figured I'd share what I dug up.
GPUs primarily do matrix multiplications in parallel, right? Would it really help with search? You can't really divide the search string between different cores effectively because the alignment of the string with the sequence is not known. Further, because of indels, every other character of the search string may have a slightly different alignment offset. There's certainly no matrix multiplication involved. I've never written CUDA or anything similar, but somehow I think it won't be better than just parallelization between multiple cores. I don't really know, just a guess.
Lol at me doing the BLAST analysis. I haven’t used BLAST in like 10 years, Erika’s WAY better versed in literally all of this than I am. Those two are such babies.
So Donny quote mines a paper leaving out the part that removes the point he wanted to make, then goes on to complain people don't trust creationist I just can't think why
Thank you for this extraordinary content! Love the usual stuff as well
God is giving people what they need to avoid problems, God made the heavens and the earth
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I love your videos. Thank you for all the effort you put into educating your audience and correcting misinformation. You are fantastic
I feel like this is the professional wrestling version of Nova and these two guys are the heels..
Honestly the conflict and the drama makes it terrifically engaging and I feel like I'm learning a lot about genetics. These videos are a tremendous educational tool. Truly, congratulations for creating them, and thank you
I love to hear Donny and RawMatt being run at a higher rate... them sounding like a pair of chipmonks when trying to poison the well of knowledge seems to be highly appropriate.
Love your work. This calls for a head-to-head debate. It MUST be on only one single point and not a broad topic like the ones in these videos. A sixteen hour debate would not convince anyone.
4:30 I have to say: Chromosomes do not look like X's unless they have already been copied to prepare for cell division. All the pictures you see of them in this configuration are representative of a transitory state only. Most chromosomes look like a line-dot-line, which is also shown in this video right after.
I honestly don’t know whether we’re dealing with pathological intellectual dishonesty or terminal stupidity with SFT. Possibly both. Great video as usual. The chromosome 2 fusion site is devastating for special creation which probably explains the depths of dishonesty to which they stoop to rebut it.
They don't realize how much they argue *exactly* like flat Earthers, do they?
There’s a huge overlap as many flat-earthers get their model of the flat earth with a dome from the buybull.
@@kellydalstok8900 Very true. Plus, there is a lot of overlap between compatible conspiracy theories.
In this case, I was just stunned by the same "we've debunked the globe" bravado. And the reliance on one krank who also has the same emotional need to support a theistic viewpoint. I suppose all conspiracy-believers tend to operate in similar ways.
@@kellydalstok8900 overlap between YECs, flat-earthers, and I kid you not, _geocentrists_ - they had a bit of a resurgence from the late 60s through the early 90s. it's still pretty out there in terms of fringe beliefs, but just like young earth creationism & flat earth, it gains traction through christianity.
Totally off topic but I got really excited to hear you talk about Great Pyrenees mixes! We just adopted a dog that the shelter described as a 52 lb "border collie mix". We get there to meet him, and he /is/ in fact 52lbs and black and white like a border collie, but...he's only 52lbs because he is very underweight, and he's tall enough for our Pitt mix dog to walk under! Then I spotted his double dew claws and started googling. I saw the most common breed with this trait was the Great Pyrenees but I wasn't sure how "diagnostic" that was or whether it was possible that he inherited them from some other breed or just randomly. So now I feel pretty confident that he probably is a Great Pyrenees mix- even though he clearly has another breed mixed in there to "shrink" him down to "only" about 70 lbs once we fatten him up. He is a very good boy named Marlon.
Re: shelters mis-labeling dog breeds... this is VERY common. Many laypeople (folks outside of breed groups, clubs, etc) are very rarely familiar with the conformation and coat color variations within specific breeds, much less _multiple_ breeds and/or crossbreeds and mutts. In fact, they often mislabel _purebred_ dogs as other breeds- boxers as pitbull mixes, standard poodles as doodles, for example. If you're ever curious about your dog's heritage, ask an AKC breed club, because chances are they can suss out the breed or potential mix almost as well as a genetic test.
@@Menoetia We were probably going to get his DNA run to get a full look
Lovely video Erika. I only recently began to dig into and understand science, and I've become addicted to your channel as a wonderful way to learn both various intricacies as well as debunk the nonsense I grew up with.
Thanks so much for your work!
I am very happy you used the Roohif blog as a source, i was studying it years ago and he were the only guy explaining to general public.
For me a computer guy these genetics are much easier to follow than the morphology explanations. Those are so jargon laden.
I feel the same way, this is exactly why I went into biochemistry instead of biology. There is so much jargon in biology and it all sounds the same. I sometimes wish she would use nicknames for all of the different species she talks about so I can follow it easier. I do find that I can keep up a little more now that I've been watching her a while and am more familiar with the names (I've actually started giving them my own nicknames to keep them straight).
As _both_ a computer programmer and a biochemist, I promise that programmers do not typically understand DNA the way they think they do. Every time I see biology and genetics analogies coming from a coder, they are _terrible._ I had a job once at a firm who wanted their platform to sound cool and organic and emergent, so every app had to have a "DNA" file. It was JSON with a bunch of type and method definitions of the app's API. I had to break it to them that they weren't impressing any biologists by appropriating their jargon, so they should probably just name things such that coders would understand them. I don't work there anymore, but the next version of the platform cut all the biology-themed babble in favor of descriptive names.
I've also noticed _a lot_ of computer professionals _thinking_ that they understood the "genetic code" and buying a lot of really stupid creationist arguments on that basis. Please be careful with how you compare your expertise in coding to the science of genetics. DNA is not a programming language for writing organisms. It doesn't have any of the syntactic or grammatical features you are familiar with. It doesn't have any of the same abstractions that make computer programs more readable and writeable. It's a totally separate set of concerns.
A better analogy is a binary image with no internal indexes or symbolic references. Its entire functioning is based on other entities searching and reading it, so those entities define the encoding of each function separately. The most important entities fundamentally are DNA and RNA synthase protein complexes, which copy and transcribe genes respectively. However, that RNA may go on to perform several functions from there; it can be decoded into a protein, but it could also compliment an existing RNA to prevent it from being decoded, or it can do something metabolic on its own. The peptide encoding is well understood, but there is no way to map a peptide sequence a priori to a function that protein will perform - and in fact most proteins are capable of multiple functions. Every product decoded from the DNA modifies what is searching the DNA to decode, what DNA is exposed to those searches, and what entities are able to search or decode. Designing an organism this way would be an absolute nightmare of cascading side effects. The most sensible way to go about writing DNA is to just test out small incremental changes at random, because all systematic approaches will fail.
3:29 " Now some of the best support in scientific ideas comes when you make a prediction of something before you actually investigate that thing and then the prediction comes to fruition"
True!
And Darwin's theory predicted the discovery of DNA, RNA and protein transcription/translation amongst many others, possibly even mitosis and meiosis.
It's like a prophesy, except we know the prediction was made before the discovery, unlike the historical prophesies in the holy books.
"And Darwin's theory predicted the discovery of DNA, RNA and protein transcription/translation amongst many others,"
no, it didn't. don't get confused.
it predicted the existence of heritable material.
there was a LONG debate over what that material was, up thru the 40s, iirc, some thought it was proteins, not DNA.
@@vforwombat9915 I mean, I feel like that might be a bit... Quibbly? Like, their point was, he predicted we'd find heritable material because evolution seemed to utilize them, and as you said, we did, and that heritable material was the (list of heritable material). I think OP was saying he predicted we'd discover "things in this category" and then "these are the things we discovered in that category."
Though if they actually did mean to say he specifically predicted that those materials would be DNA and RNA, I'm with you, I don't think he did that. But I feel like you're jumping on them more for phrasing than what they actually were trying to convey?
@@thaddeusgenhelm8979 "I mean, I feel like that might be a bit... Quibbly?"
a bit, but this is a science channel, and i wanted to be accurate.
plus the whole issue of what was heritable material is pretty interesting, they've written books about it.
@vforwombat9915 It predicted that there would be a mechanism for passing information from cell to cell that would somehow mix the information of both parents to express their characteristics in their offspring. Of course, they didn't know what that molecule was, but when the structure of DNA was discovered, it had all the properties required.
Darwin predicted the discovery of a mechanism of conserving information which would highly conserved but capable of change. His theory pre-dates the Periodic table, so predicting the actual chemistry was way beyond his time.
Dont tell me it's Leaning on Lies again! Donny learn to take the L please I am begging you
The FNAF sound effect playing every time Jeffrey Tompkins is mentioned is KILLING ME
I hope you have an enjoyable fruitful and safe trip to Kenya.
Cheeses Crust, I'm trying so very hard to not attribute this to dishonesty, but Donny is making it so very hard.
Bruh I'm so tired of yec running in circles around this argument I can't finish watching it bc it's infuriating me 😂
Lol Donny claims to have "essentially refut[ed] all there is to refute on the chromosome 2 fusion", like he just casually upended a massive finding in biology but no biggie. 😂 I'm sure if he'd actually done it he'd be pretty famous in the scientific community by now.
They’ve tried to debunk Forrest recently too.. yeah, they definitely don’t know what’s good for them, given their chosen targets for attempted debunks. I’d love to see some more collabs with the two of you, maybe one where you devote a minute or 5 to just obliterating their ramblings. That guy is just such a pretentious a**hat.
It makes me laugh whenever Erika plays the dramatic music (sadly I don't know which famous classical piece that is) to indicate anger when there's a snarky response. My mind perceives that similarly to the whistling kettle sound in cartoons when someone's getting steamed - except more dramatic, as if you've just invoked the wrath of an ancient entity of unspeakable dark power, not Eddy from Ed, Edd n Eddy.
Making Donny and Matt sound like the chipmunks Chip and Dale was perfect! 👍👍👍
the piece of classical music is from Swanlake.
The bit where Donny just tries to wave away and trash synteny like it's weak evidence of a fusion is just mind-boggling.
I mean, this is definitely an area where an uninterested, lay third party would want a hypothesis from Donny, because the common sense hypothesis for "Why is this chromosome X in species A 98% similar to the fusion of chromosomes Y and Z in species B?" isn't what he seems to think it is.
it's interesting to observe this particular flaw in human communication. throughout the video i was noticing things about genetics slipping over my head, and the constant contrarian in me kept coming up with arguments which could theoretically work to shift goalposts (while completely ignoring certain points of her case-- that is to say, the literal truth).
Donny and Co.'s strategy is not to prove a hypothesis, but to distract listeners with enough jargon that they themselves do not form hypotheses of their own. simply, you do not want to acknowledge the genetic similarity; you must instead deflect, deny, and distance yourself as much as possible from a grounded understanding of reality, lest you face a total deconstruction of your sense of self. in that way, your identity and worldview may remain unchallenged, as it seemingly withstands any test placed against it.
this works much the same way as gaslighting, where a "successful" case has the person psyching themselves out of asking questions which would lead them out of the hole they've found themselves. kinda skeezy!!
I love the theme sound/music for Tomkins and clips from the creationist videos. I'm sure it helps fend off "you're just recycling other people's content" reports from brigades, but it's still funny as hell.
Another thing to note: one might expect to find significantly degraded traces of fusion sites randomly throughout the genome as traces of much, much older chromosome fusions, which may be what those ITSes are.
I find used car salesmen to be the most reliable source for scientific information.
Being this wrong is really fine. It's the *arrogance* of this dude that makes him so deeply unlikeable
"compared to you, I'm concise! ME!" 🤣🤣
Hot damn, here real early.
Y'know, I was actually _waiting_ for when you'd respond to Donny's whining about Chromosome 2. Haven't even watched this yet and I _know_ I won't be disappointed.
i’ve become borderline obsessed with listening to your content while i work. your cadence and humor just draws me in. keep making awesome content!
How narcissistic does one have to be to maintain that the whole universe is specially created for them.
Whew boy, that comment at 46:33. That's some full on MRA level condescension right there. I felt genuinely angry hearing him say that.
You gotta lie to YEC… who would have thunk it???
They really should just join up with the flat earthers and their little club could grow for once.
There's a lot of overlap between the two groups. 95% of Flat Earthers use the Bible as support for their claims.
This is all fascinating, but what I want to know is why isn't anybody looking for chimpans A through Y? Isn't anybody worried about them!?!
You must be a dad.
I remember the hillarious complaint that you speed up videos "to emasculate the guys talking" but watching the video I'm thinking "jeeze, how insanely slowly must Donny be talking naturally that THIS is sped up?" One way men could counter your ability to speed up their videos is to talk faster if they REALLY want to maintain their original voice so you have to play it in real time, or even talk so fast you have to slow it down to be comprehensible and give them a deeper voice.😜 But then you'd get some accusations of playing favourites I guess lol.😂
I really appreciate whoever gave you the heads up of what they are spewing.
Erika, you and Forrest are my heroes. 🖖🌈💚
the FNAF 2 Hallway Ambience everytime Jeffery Tomkins is on screen is too perfect!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 please please PLEASE keep that in your videos.
1:23:17 hey! Professor Dave Farina does that all the time! that's the only way i watch his debates. otherwise i wouldn't find them.
well, that's potentially not entirely true. i do occasionally check out Modern Day Debates, tho that is pretty rare. more common is that their videos pop up in my feed. and i simply ignore it if it doesn't interest me. that all being said: Dave hasn't even had a debate on that channel. but again, every debate he has had? i've only seen BECAUSE he reuploaded them on his channel.
Human chromosome 2 still driving creationists crazy! Lol 😂😂😂
It is direct proof of evolution and even that won’t change there mind so there pretty dogmatic.
God is giving people what they need to avoid problems, God made the heavens and the earth
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@@reeseexplains8935they prefer to believe that they were created separate and therefore they are special creation from god, unfortunately because of that they will continue doing everything they can to deceive themselves because they think science is a threat to their believes.
@@reeseexplains8935they already accept horses, zebras and donkeys share a common ancestor, that Llamas share one with camals and that foxes and wolves/dogs share one and all of them have different chromosome counts, zebras even have different numbers within the same genus.
They accept that lynxes, house cats, cheetahs, panthers and smilodons all have common ancestry, all within only a thousand years (hyper accelerated evolution)
They accept evolution, they are just changing the definition of what biological evolution is, and the goalpost of how much evolutionary change they will accept.
@@KLBizzy1 facts.
I like the filter on SFT’s voice because I can close my eyes and pretend it’s Eric Cartman
Angry Gibbon is my favorite. Stellar job as always.
I have an inkling that Gutsick is a hottie. Do you ever wear contacts?
Standing for truth?
More like Silly For Theism.
Hey Erika, have you considered writing subtitles for your videos? UA-cam's auto-generated captions are really slow and also fairly inaccurate, which makes your videos harder to understand for hearing-impaired viewers ^^
i detect sexism in their snarky remark about you "running off" for help. Disgusting
But, Erica, have you considered argument A?
I feel the super long videos these guys are starting to make is a type of Gishgallop. Instead of making 100 bad statements in 1 hour that takes 2 hours to explain why they are wrong. They make 4-8 hour videos with like 400 things wrong that no one has the time to digest or counter.
Suggestion regarding you debating on other channels: if you haven't already done so, create a playlist of all of your off-channel debates to make them easier for fans to find.
You're scary Erica, but I love you.
[6:43] I started reading that out loud like it was karaoke lyrics and my roommate came flying upstairs fully prepared to give me the Heimlich maneuver.
Perfect timing, this is the pick-me-up I needed to get through the rest of the afternoon!
God is giving people what they need to avoid problems, God made the heavens and the earth
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I'm not a modern ape. I'm an old and decrepit one!
Great work! Love your videos
When you presented that his sequence was pulled from the telomere of chromosome 9, I gasped and said out loud "oh my god I would kill myself". The second hand embarrassment was so bad, like holy shit that's humiliating to have pointed out, the absolute audacity of this man to continue posting!
Yay. New gutsick video. My day is complete
God is giving people what they need to avoid problems, God made the heavens and the earth
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Very well put together. Much respect for how thorough this was.
Another perfect beat down. Great video. Your application of the information is impressive
Is donny just using erika to proof read his term paper, and is just to nervous to ask her directly?
This will be the first sub and comment on YT ever. But once I saw the Bone Clones, I knew that I would happily watch any video you put out. I drive people insane trying to discuss topics like this. You give me hope for the future.
I love your channel! Watching makes me feel more equal with apes and better than creationists.
God is giving people what they need to avoid problems, God made the heavens and the earth
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Honestly since watching this channel my posture has improved, bc I subconciously remember I'm an ape and sit more confortably
Better than creationists... there's a bar so low it's more like a sewage line.
@@specileggSuperstitious nonsense.
@@specilegg but.. why do people have problems then? sounds kind of like what you said isnt as true as it maybe would be in a perfect (for humans) world
Edit: oh, it's a spam comment. yeah that seems logical