Turbocharged vs. Supercharged - Part 1
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2016
- In part 1 of this special series of videos we put two NB MX5's head to head. One with a Supercharger and one with a Turbocharger, to find out which is the ultimate type of forced induction.
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Don't know if it's me being too high or that his harp was the best editing ever that I thought it was legit and tried it on my car and hurt my nail
Damnit Kaden, I spit water on myself.
It really was some damn precise editing, I was impressed with the timing on it.
can't tell is sarcasm or you one salty fucker
Mike Hunt Is Wet
My guess is that you've never smoked cannabis a day in your life. I bet you enjoy your booze though.
Guess which one of the two actually kills brain cells?
hmmm both xD get behind any car... you be dead anyway
Anyone else feel a sense of relief when Moog plays the intercooler?
Welshy it was the greatest thing I've ever heard
Welshy well other than you know all the good sounding engines
Is he actually playing it?
Yea man!!
the pan pipe was my jam.
I'm such a sucker for Enkei Rpf1s... they look so good on that MX5!!!!
They're iconic, for sure!
I have König Hypergrams on my NA8, and I love them.
every time i see a red mx5 i think of phil
lol
Didnt Phil die?
Adam West yes but he fixed him
Ya mean uncle Phil
Kiddin
He's alive again!!! New vid...
8:22 removes component.
8:27 it's back!
Editors
Magic
skills!!!
they're audio engineers, not movie producers :-D
h
But why not have the best of both worlds? Go twin charged!
We did, look up March Superturbo
THROWBACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was my favourite video from you two for a long while! :)
maybe when they finish this project we can talk them into twin charging one and going all motor on the other
You can't go all motor on a Miata. Unless you drop in a LSx...
Why not just one big VGT :D lighter, cheaper, easier
For those who want to hear MOOG's mad music skills from car parts, here's a list.
9:08 - Exhaust Tuba
13:28 - Intercooler Harp
14:36 - Injector Panpipe
You're welcome!
I like how the mishimoto intercooler plays a pentatonic scale. Nice touch
I think it might be B flat (A#) pentatonic.
That red mx5... Is immaculate. I wish I lived in a country that was so kind to bodywork.
right. its almost unfair. I call Bias on the turbo build! we need to all vote! if they like the S/C... drive wise... swap it to the red car.
2 winters in the UK and that mx5 would be rot through
Even a reliant Robin would find a way to rust.
lol, the good old Reliant Robin!
Wasn't it the car that moved Britain for 30 years?
I hear ya. Come to Canada where the road salt flows like water. Cars rust rolling off the lot new :(
That intercooler solo was some next level stuff
BofaDeez2Nuts Yeah, lolled at it too.
I still wonder if I am the only stupid here who actually tried to play the intercooler?
3Durka1, No, you're not the only one who tried to play your intercooler. I did it years ago when I first saw Moog do it.
"Let's stick it in Martin, then we'll install the turbo" 11:45
17:16 I've never heard "Miata" and "Torque Monster" in the same sentence before! Mad!
The miata has never been a torque monster. I heard that about a thousand time.
Tests Supercharger vs Turbo...gets centrifugal supercharger. Way to go guys. Why pick the absolute worst supercharger model of all for this particular engine and car? A centrifugal is much more suited to bigger engines that already have strong low end torque, whereas a screw type would give the Miata an extremely powerful and more useful push in the low revs where this engine makes very low power. At the cost of efficiency obviously.
to my understanding isn't a centrifugal sc better than a roots sc? this is just what I've read off of forums, I honestly don't know.
It depends on what you are after. Roots or screw type superchargers produce way more torque at low RPMs than centrifugal, whereas the centrifugal works more like a turbo and is weaker down low and has more high end power. At least that's what I've been told. I may be wrong, but it just felt weird for them to pick a supercharger type that is basically just a belt driven turbo.
I was hoping for a twin screw
no you're completely right, the problem is finding a turbo that will flow as much as a screw type supercharger for an mx5 engine
Totally Legit Gaming [TLEG] for a small displacement 4 cylinder the centrifugal supercharger is probably better
I've just remembered: you've done a turbo MX-5 before, so you sorta know what you're doin'! And yes, I'm taking notes to do this to an MX-5 when I get my greasy mitts on one.
Do it Ben!!
Mighty Car Mods Yeah. You know, one day: hopefully while I'm still in my 20s...
Ben Ward r u the Ben Ward from CT?
Yes, I am. The very same bloke with the very same Fiat.
I'm glad you decided to make this episode. I have an 01 nb and I'm in between going turbo or supercharge. Can't wait to see the results from the two. You guys rock!!!!
I love the innuendo in every build. Let's put it in, then we'll install the turbo. Gold!
This better not fucking end with a 1/4 mile comparison guys.
was studying until i saw this was uploaded. essay can wait
eay same here ma8
Charlie Assaf. Ay amigo essays have feelings too yanno. I write to my essay all the time.
right on the same boat, lmao that essay due at 11:59 can wait 20 minutes
HSC life?
yep :(
Another completely entertaining and informative vid from a couple of my fav guys on the net. Thanks. Looking forward to your next.
I love you guys! Can't wait to see how these turn out. That red NB looks immaculate
honest to fuck mighty car MODs should be on TV over here in Scotland its so fucking interesting compared to anything we get
Call amazon.
they have a tv show
hello fellow Scottish guy
It's on tv in Australia. They just replay some of their episodes
no its not on Aussie TV, just the super cheap auto ad and the Bathurst 1000 unprofessionals ad
Oh my YES!!
HI
Hi Ging. love your vids too
love your vids and mcms
Hey, Gingium! 😃👋
Lol of course you show up for the miata vid
I’m so glad I found this channel again. I used to watch you guys all the time back when I was in high school
Awesome video guys. Really like it! Keep them coming :). I'm also interested in seeing the results between the supercharged and turbocharged one ! Good luck ;)
I'm always impressed by how little rust is on australian cars.
qwasd0r umm yeah it's pretty bad here just there in Sydney so they don't have many rust problems but over is South Australia rust is a huge issue for cars
Its hardly snows there if at all so there is 0 salt on the roads. If you are not near the sea there will be no salt in the air as well.
Gohard Oh, really?
Actually Sydney cars can be as rust ridden as the rest as we're right on the coast.
little moisture there...I'm 25 miles from the ocean and we get snow...Cars rust in About 5-10 years.... Unless well taken care of.
When your binge watching from the start and then come on top for the new episode and see that non of these guys have aged in 8 years.
Great video. I look forward to the rest of this comparison build.
Thanks.
I absolutely love this channel!!!!! Not only informative and interesting but damn hilarious!!! Keep it up guys!!! My number 1 channel that is for sure.
My brother asked me if exhausts really make that noise when blown into. Dude, you're 22, come on...
He might want to get that checked out.
actually I have seen someone play a dump pipe like a didgeridoo, no shit. Sounds pretty similar to that...tuba or whatever sound it was
MrNewcaledonia lmao wow what's wrong with him
I giggled like a wee lad
+Redhouane Zamoum He's a moron...
Turbos FTW.
Non-turbo owners always imitate the noise when driving.
Admit it.
You do it
Sure it does. Say that to a GTR owner.
I do it and i have a turbo car.
dumbest comment. That's like saying "GTR's are trash compared to top fuel dragsters cuz they use superchargers"
I would never trade my whine for a whoosh. Just personal preference. Miatas also benefit a lot more from low end torque than high end power. They're pathetic down low.
disagree, watch my turbo mx5 videos :) 273bhp kicks many ass in an mx5
Man! I'm so hyped to watch this series! I own a NBFL MX5 myself (those two are NBFL/Mk2.5 mx-5's, not NB/Mk2). Can't wait!
Happy you guys are finally using some NB's!
that red mx5 is clean af
fr tho
I got a red Mazda 3 2004 last week, it didn't have one scratch on it, looks new
Al Gore (EXCELSIOR) "clap hands" congrats man! ( not being sarcastic ) my first car was an mk1 golf I put a 2.0 16v in, then got a 74 beetle I dropped a 4age 16v turbo in ( mad car ) did this cause wanted speed and was broke as fuck so built them over time. Now I'm waiting delivery of a M135i every body starts some where. I will never hate on one mans ride.. Except for Honda.. But I hate on the twat drivers not the cars
Al Gore (EXCELSIOR) wow congrats man
Gareth weare there are twat drivers in every brand, no reason to hate man
And I've been waiting for this moment..... all my life.....oh lord...
bah bah bah dat duh dat duh..... Cuz ive ben waiting for this moment..... ALL OF MY LIFE. OH lord lord lord ... lord lord.
hooked! way to go! good to see you getting skills in your own space! this is the dream!
Awesome episode! Very keen to see how the supercharged MX5 goes!
I love the Harp cue. We all knew it was coming....'when' was the question.
I would just rotate the compressor housing on the turbo instead of grinding it to get turbo clearance.
But then the wastegate actuator has to be re-pinned and re-welded. :P
it's easy enough to make a plate to reorient the wga
Gawd I chuckled when they did that. Oh yea maan SUper easy just pop it right on the manifold... dink.. oh .. hmm. well just grind that down.. =p
Or instead of making a plate you could just grind it since its easier.
We've done both
Good to see you guys working on cars with jack stands and standard tools instead of going to a shop with a lift etc. Feels more true to the roots of the DIY-er MCM
Another great episode from Martys car Mods
Aaaaaaaaannnnnnddddd, no longer studying for my midterm
Need to fish my bio work... but first, mcm lmao
I have a history midterm tomorrow
I have part 2 of my accounting midterm tomorrow morning
damn ahaha
me too cost accounting
The looser should get twin charged for round two
Everyday Adventure sweet lord yes
yes lets see a twin charge kit
Screw that, tri-charge. Twin turbo with a supercharger
alexlam24 even better, quad turbo with a supercharger XD
Even better, quad turbo, centrifugal supercharger and NOS
totally awesome guys can't wait see these things in action
ahhhhh the double entendre is so good! great episode guys dont know how I missed this back in the day!
"Let's stick it in, Martin! Then we'll install the turbo." lmao
you guys should race phil #carthrottle
Dominic opposite sides or the world and phil is getting a v6 swap
commo v6 swap the mcm one then.>:)
or just race a bullet roadster
Yes but Phil blew up lol
Just as nice after all these years, nice work MCM
Great episode. The right balance of tech and banter. Plus mx5s. What's not to like?
I'm a supercharger fan much simpler you don't have to run a special manifold and extra tubing in the engine bay nor have an intercooler or an oil line also super chargers don't have any lag. A roots supercharger is even simpler it just bolts on in place of the manifold
Exactly!
Heatsoak though
I get what you're saying but you just sort of invalidated that first point about the manifold with the last one. I get it, turbo setups are slightly more complex but realistically if your going forced induction with your car running oil and maybe water lines are probably the least of your worries.
Jayster I meant exhaust manifold the last manifold was the Intake manifold which on a v8 which most roots blowers are built for is a much simpler install than 2 turbo manifolds
Well a super charger maybe is easier to install but is no where as efficient or do they make the kind of power a turbo makes. If only there was a turbo setup that made power like a turbo, the whine of a SC, and the pshhhhh of a turbo, then... then it would be perfect!
Ahh centrifugal superchargers... all the lack of power in the bottom end from a turbo, and all the runoff at the top end of a supercharger... the worst of both worlds. but you do still get more power.
jhowe67 and its real easy. Price you pay I guess.
They also plan to run the same amount of boost, so both cars will run out of breath up top more than likely, I don't think they will be tunning 18lbs, probably more like 8 or 10 lol! But a roots type would've been better imo, instant powaaaa!!! Rather than the centrifugal which I have always viewed as a turbo thats just been modified to run off of belt and pulleys. Lol. Still, its boosted though!!
Yeah. How about a positive displacement supercharger? That little snail driven by a string is a bit of a joke.
Centrifugal blower will always make more low end power than a turbo (if everything is equal)
Turbos are an exhaust restriction and actually rob power until they spool up.
Supercharger robs power from the crank - however the boost is ALWAYS more than enough to compensate for the parasitic loss.
Also these superchargers are able to be "geared" via pulley size to spin up faster and provide more boost.
There's a reason why the fastest street cars (drag racing) have a centrifugal if they are not running turbos.
They are also lighter than the twin screw type, and can produce more peak boost.
I would rather have a centrifugal than a roots blower.
Having a monster blower sitting on top of the engine is pretty rad though, and being able to run a top fuel style scoop with individual butterfly valves is another huge win.
More power from a smaller package. That's what the ladies like.
I love the intercooler harp edit, every intercooler is a harp every time.
those Enkei RPF1s are the unicorns wang! seriously light weight and look awesome. Cant wait to see more of this, definitely the best car show on youtube!
WHERE IS MIGHTY ROADKILL?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??!??!!?!
Haven't filmed it yet, patience caterpillar.
ahh yew!
you know the universe aligned in your favour if two of your favorite car shows do a collaboration. I CANT WAIT
How about now, how long it could take for two young guys to make things done... properly man ;)
That would be madd!?
Moog: "I'm not grabbing your balls mate, I'm just grabbing a knife."
Which one should I be more afraid of?
Nice concept, I'm keen to see the results guys!
the harp scenes where amazing !! made my day simple humor is always a win thanks for this video guys... from Quebec ! peace
Not a fair test, everyone knows red goes faster than any other colour
Science!
Mighty Car Mods a
As i was looking for a MCM vid to watch. perfect
TOOK YOU BLOODY LONG ENOUGH TO UPLOAD A NEW VIDEO I WAS WAITING EVERY DAY CHECKING THE CHANNEL!
Watching this again to help me decide what I do to my Nb 1.8L I bought recently
Out of curiosity, I would've liked to see some Dyno runs on both MX-5's before charging em.
You will see that, patience
mcmtv2 Sounds good, thanks.
Project.R yeah good point
No wonder those MX-5's look familiar, I'd seen these in the MCM Nationals 2016
YEEESSSSSSSS THIS IS SO TIMELY! I am about to start my own MX5 project!!! =D
just bought an NA MX-5 today perfect timing
dammit 46 seconds after post and I'm like 369 lol
Jeremy Simonsen lol
9 minutes and it's at 5,500......
10 Min 5456
Brayden The Gamer Official u watch mcm too
45 minutes, 13, 619.
Do not ever change that intro. It's just perfect!
You guys are great! US fan since 2012
as a little bonus the front of an NB looks amazing de-badged and these are a prime example to sneak a little tutorial in to get it done right without damaging paint!
Turbo>Supercharger
dam I see you on Haggard Garage and Evan Shanks comments lol
Absolutes are almost never correct. There are applications where a turbo is better than a supercharger, and applications where the opposite is true.
I prefer being able to run 30psi of boost on a 100mm turbo as compared to like 12-15 on a supercharger tbh
Preference is subjective. Like I said, there are applications where one shines and the other doesn't.
hello again e46
dammit! everytime i watch ur vids i wanna rip apart my weekend ride lol just to see what i can mod! 😂 love ur vids
Awesome videos guys ! you rocks !
Can't wait to see the next episode !
I've been waiting for this video for years!
Glad to see MCM Back on the Miata Train! CHOO CHOO!!!
Seems unfair for them to have 2, some people (me) don't even have 1!
Save what you can and wait for a good deal, they are an affordable fun car!
Although if they get hit by a smartcar they get totaled
Track day Bro.
Hoosiers for the Track Day Bro
bridgestone, mate
+UGU Zach nah hankook
My heart goes out to the victims of URRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!
THE BEST
This video was awesome! I can't wait to graduate college and start on a project car.
Awesome episode! The results should be really interesting! My bet is on the supercharger, maybe not for peak hp, but for overall performance.
oy you NEED to work/make a video on an old 70's all aussie holden, that would be so sick, go all roadkill.
Wrong channel
please please please please please
cheapcharlie7 no i meant do a video like roadkill, get an old car to work on, then thrash it and break it.
Jacque Minogue That would be sick, but honestly I don't think the boys have the skills.
Highly unlikely but how about if Roadkill dragged a shitter out of a wrecker in aus in an attempt to make say summernats
No installation of Supercharger, INlcudes full breakdown of Turbo setup.. Bias Much before the testing lol
They said that they didn't do the build in that video. They also said that they will show the turbo one on camera because it is the more interesting build. Not that much bias.
Got a NB mx5 couple weeks ago, I'm keen! :D
AWESOME MIATAS!!!! Can't wait to see this built.
"let's stick it in and then install the turbo"
They should have gotten manifold from Dan's Rods and Customs! Support another UA-camr!
Moovlin lol I watch Dan too
they live very far away tho lol.
+Departed Gardens While you aren't wrong, Dan does ship things around the globe.
word. mighty car mods deff has there own hook up tho.
+Departed Gardens Oh no doubt, especially with a following as big as theirs. I mean look at the injectors, custom built just for them by MCM fans.
I've been looking for this video. I knew I remembered them saying they would race 2SEXY and the b16 mini, and now they have!
Yes! lol I just picked up a nb miata not too long ago. Ready to see the boosted ones outcome.
When wil mcm work on a Rotary? FC,FD ?
The red MX5 is super clean, engine bay and under the car looks almost new. Just noticed too, they didn't say the usual "proudly supported by just car insurance" in the intro?
When you guys play an intercooler like a harp, complete with sound effects, it makes my day. XD
The quality of the audio mix always blow me away, killin' it MOOG! The devil is in the details.
So it's a belt driven turbine. Really cool but not really a supercharger other than it's belt driven. Traditional superchargers don't have the same mechanics for forcing air as a turbo with impellers and turbines. A supercharger has two threaded roller pins that mesh together to force air. Witch I'm sure you guy's know. The funny thing is traditional superchargers don't give a lot of boost. Heard of 4lbs to 12lbs. Plus they rob horse power and and more friction on the motor to gain the extra power. So I don't think this is a really true versus shot out battle as what your calling it. This is more accurately a battle of two different driven turbines. Get two LS V8's matching, HKS exhaust driven turbo vs Weiand belt driven supercharger. That would be more accurate. Love your show. Just being a dick. .l.
besides you have cold side.. hot side.. I guess there are as many variants of S/C as there are with Turbo.. ON the mini they used fuel injector on the charger. thats always a bonus.
You realise that a "turbo" is actually a turbosupercharger. "Superchargers" come in two main variants, roots and centrifugal compressor type.
if its driven by the engine via a belt, then its a supercharger. this particular one is a belt driven centrifugal compressor, the ones you talk about are rotary screw compressors. Turbines are what harness the power of flow through air, gas, water etc to give drive to something else like a compressor wheel/generator/gearbox. turbines dont make power, they provide drive
Your a dumbdumb
Yeah was disappointed they went with a centrifugal as a screw type would further display the fundamental difference between turbos and superchargers.
Marty and moog, do you guys have a specific brand of tools you use or is it just whatever works?
Whatever fits the application
Viet Hoonigan King Dick tools only.
"snap (her) off" FTW ;-)
I think they use kincrome hand tools and ryobi power tools
Biltema
Kind of wished you showed the install of the supercharger. we seen you turbo a mx-5 already. Still Great! can't wait need more!
I KNEW that was an MX-5 hood sitting in the background for the past few videos!!!
1:56
when your NB is also that black color and you're excited because the NB doesnt get nearly as much as the NA out there
I find it odd that nobody ever thought of using a DAF Variomatic stepless clutch system on a supercharger. That way you could always let it operate at optimum RPM.
Rotrex is already working on both CVT and e-CVT transmissions for centrifugals - and yes, the Variomatic was the first CVT that actually got a market share. It does make a lot of sense to combine the two, you're right about that.
4991Ares Thanks for the info. I am going to definitely look up on that. Sounds interesting.
There's also the Procharger i- 1 with CVT.
Think they stopped making them, but the Antonov drive for Rotrex units may have been similar (not sure on that though)
Good shout my man
Should have used the Flyin' Miata kit. Good guys, great support and they are fans!
Always entertaining, I love watching you guys (he says in a non creepy way).
why not twincharge?
I love twincharged cars. The pros of each cancel the cons.
Supercharger: no turbo lag
Turbo: no power draw
Too complicated
Of course it's complicated. Cars are complex machines, and getting more out of them is no easy task
NumbMonkE not really if you know what you're doing
No more than a bi-turbo setup
so is a wheel
The only issue I see is that the downpipe for the turbo is cat-less. I want to know if the downipe on the supercharged NB has no cat as well.
How does a dump pipe remove a cat?
lenny 034 if you look at around 8:55 they remove the downpipe (which I guess they call dump pipe) which has the cat. It is replaced by a test pipe. I want to know if the turboed NB has a similar exhaust with a cat and a muffler.
Hi Kyle, The dump "waste gate" on a turbo charger re-directs exhaust gas to bypass the turbine wich reduces turbo drive/preasure and still needs to be exhausted through a CAT. Although high performance turbo systems still use "dump valves" on the compressor or inlet manifold side of the system this is clean air. The superchargers speed/preasure is mechanicaly locked to engine speed and therefore the inlet manifold preasure needs to be regulated by the "dump valve" alone.
+dean hood I'm fairly sure the dude just got confused and was talking about a downpipe mate. The downpipe they put in the turbo NB was a de-cat, he's asking if they either have or are going to de-cat the supercharged NB too.
People massively overestimate how much power the cat saps, you're looking at like 5kw at worst with a crap old early 90s style 2-way.
What's of bigger concern is that they talk about comparing the 2 on the street...
With no cat.
Hope the boys enjoy their $10k fines.
I've heard so many negative stories about nitrodann it's good to finally hear one good one.
Superb timing from my favourite youtubers!! I have a NB mx5 and am just starting to go about turbo'ing it. Hurry up and show me how you guys pipe up the front mount, so I can do a big old copy and pass it off as my own thinking. Fucking superb front mount harp freestyling btw - had me pissing myself!!