These speakers make an INSANE difference for metal tones!
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In the old days . . each amp and cab has it's own merit . . .now we live with thousands of choices and yet . . . most guitar tone on many many modern metal artists are the same.
I got some time to kill and always appreciate it when someone posts the timestamps...
Randall 16 ohm V30 - 4:01
Engl 8 ohm V30 - 4:37
Mesa 8 ohm V30 - 5:14
Marshall MF 8 ohm K100 - 5:50
Vader 8 ohm Eminence Legend cuntsoms - 6:27
Mesa vertical 2x12 8 ohm EV12L - 7:04
Omega 8 ohm DV77 - 7:40
Marshall 1960a 8 ohm H30 Anniversaries - 8:24
MojoTone 8 ohm WGS ET65 - 9:00
MojoTone 8 ohm WGS Veteran 30 - 9:36
Splawn 16 ohm M65 Creamback - 10:13
KSR 8 ohm H75 Creamback - 10:49
KSR 8 ohm Redback - 11:25
Marshall (vintage modern?) 16 ohm G12C Greenback - 12:01
Marshall 16 ohm G12M 25w Greenback - 12:38
Marshall 1960b 16 ohm T75 - 13:14
Mesa 8 ohm Black Shadow Vintage - 13:51
Mesa 8 ohm MC90 Black Shadow - 14:28
VHT 2x12 8 ohm Eminence P50E - 15:04
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You are probably one of the coolest people on the world today with that big collection of time.
Might want to check your spelling on the Vader 8ohm… 😅
I don’t think MojoTone has anything to do with the Warehouse (WGS) speakers do they? @MojoTone should send Kyle some British V30s though so we can hear that comparison too. I think they similarly take off a little of the top end shrill that Celestion Vintage 30s have.
It's crazy when you realize how much difference the speaker makes, and how little most guitar players even think about them.
I was one of them and I agree 100%
Yup, it's nuts. Most people have no idea. I use an impulse now because I'm in an apartment... I used to run 2 greenbacks and 2 v30s in an undersized 412. I got sooo much punch out of mesa heads it tripped my buddies out.
It's crazy how it doesn't matter which one you use. Each of them sounds good.
@@Professional.Bro.777 Same. If you have a high gain amp, it's pretty much going to sound close to another high gain amp if you use the same speakers. There ARE exceptions to that, but the speaker is the MAIN component of sound, and is the biggest influence on the sound you get!
Most people pay 300 USD for an overdrive to fix it
12:50 The marshall with greenbacks sounded awesome. The G12M greenbacks are quickly becoming my favourite speaker, and they're made in then UK.
Glad more people are catching on about G12M Greenbacks for metal. They are NOT just for classic/hard rock like so many people seem to think. For me they have the perfect balance of upfront and balanced mids, with minimal high end sizzle like you find in most V30's, and still with respectable low end. Perfect for modern metal tones.
@maynardburger yeah I used to think v30s were the best speaker ever made until I heard some of the older and newer G12M speakers on UA-cam and I like how much tighter and focused they sound compared to the vintage 30. My favorite G12M type speaker is the Eminence Private Jack 8ohm. It's 50w and it sounds so perfectly balanced and nails the G12M character. Also Celestion is recently making the G12M speakers in the UK now.
The ENGL was the best to my ears. Full, growly, heavy. The Marshall with K100s was great too, a little bit more raw.
Engl was fucking Knarly
ENGL indeed. I say the Mesa MC90 and VHT are a close second.
That's why it's important to find speakers that work for you. Once I found Redbacks, it's become my primary and go to speaker for everything. Love them!!!
KSR Creamback, KSR Redback, G12M Greenback, P50E all sounded absolutely killer. G12H was pretty good too.
Hell yes! Been waiting for you to do some speaker shootouts. Hopefully you’ll make this a series with different amp heads!
Kyle, you are doing such an amazing job and your channel is growing due to that. You're a great guy who seems humble, honest, and kind. I hope your channel continues to grow. Guys like you deserve a lot of success. Keep up the amazing work. I look forward to your every video.
your engl v30 cab sounds insane. it'as always impressive to hear how big the differences are even between different v30s. the g12h30 marshall was my fav of the bunch
The Marshall with K100 and later the Marshall with Greenbacks and then the old cab with G1275s were my top 3 here.
They mostly all would work though. The immediate difference is crazy… but once you get halfway into it, you realize they’re all usable.
It was really cool hearing the ET-66 for metal. That’s the one genre I hadn’t heard them handle yet, and it’s the only one I wanted lol
Thanks for doing the lords work as always Kyle! I think the Randall, greenbacks and the last eminence were my favorites.
Long time Greenback lover. Personal favorite is the Eminence Private Jack take on that particular speaker. Thanks for turning on the gas for a bunch of us.
I would be happy with any of them.
Pretty awesome video man. I appreciate the effort that went into this
The omega and the ksr creamback 75 had loads of percussion and punch…this is a really helpful video thanks Kyle.
I use a DV-77 in a 1x12 closed back prs cab and love it.
I also use an eminence swamp thing in a fender super sonic combo as a clean AF pedal platform and it also handles the low end amazing and takes the high end of the fender amp.
Love this kind of video! Thanks for the info!
I use both in a 2x12 blend. Both 16ohms. They sound awesome together
Thank you for using powerchords! It’s crazy how rare that is for demo videos. I’m a rhythm player. I need to know how it sounds when it chugs!
Agreed. Kyle's demos are great.
Great playing and tones sir!
Im glad to see you showcasing how much speakers make a difference in sound. Glen from smg studios has been saying this for a while.
Excellent video. I love speaker/cab comparisons.
7:41 - Omega cab with DV-77's for the win!! 😆🤘 And 13:51 - That vintage Mesa 4x12! What an absolute gem! 🤩
Great work, KB! 🤘
I paired an Eminence DV-77 with a Celestion Neo Creamback, I love it. Keep up the good work 👏
That 8 Eminence P50E in the VHT 2x12 surprised me. I confirmed that I typically like 16ohm speakers better. The V30 is still one of my favorites. Also the DV-77 and a Creamback H. You also can’t go wrong with a Celestion Anniversary or a Greenback.
If you played this to someone without context and blindfolded, they would be thinking its different amps, thats just how big of a difference different speakers and cabs can make, its crazy. Awesome video Kyle, would love to see this being a series of testing one amp with all these different cabs!
Best for what I would enjoy personally: ENGL V30 8ohm, Mesa V30 8ohm, Marshall G12M25 Greenback 16ohm and Mesa Black Shadow MC-90 8ohm and
Thank you for including the EV12L!
man, your sense of humor is sooooo healing that you have no idea, great vid
I think this has been the most helpful demonstration of the nuances in tonality, not only between speakers of a different brand, but the same speakers at different independence.
16ohm somehow sounds deeper, fuller with a greater low end response than 8ohm. Shows me which direction I’m heading in now.
Might have to try creamback and dv77 16ohm combination
I know it probably dumb to everyone but i find the fact you use your font from your logo in the speaker description really sick as branding goes, i really appreciate this and yes i run an advertising agency so im a nerd lol.
Heads up man! The second channel link in the description seems broken! Great video man!
Amazing vid!!! I think the amp pairs best with the Engl cab and the Omega 8. Really punchy and not too harsh on the high end.
I liked the black shadow and creamback 75 the most. AWESOME VIDEO
I really dug that Marshall with the G12 H30 speakers and the KSR with the Redbacks.. of course I’m listening through an iPad speaker so there’s that. And you can never really tell unless the cab is in the room pushing air
The G12H is a really underrated speaker. Its been my favorite for years, and sounds great in this video. Also, a Greenback in a Marshall cab always sounds great. The Engl cab was pretty killer too
love mine. i actually owe it to mr. bull; his G12H30 70th anniv vs WGS reaper showdown vid was what motivated me to get one. although i think it sounds better for rock than metal.
Yesssss!!! Thank you for this
I really like how you give us the non post processed “how it’s gonna sound in your house” demo.
G12H30 has been my favorite since I've owned an EVH 212. I cycled a lot of speakers through it and eventually came back to the pair of G12H's. Big low end and cutting mids.
People like to crap on those speakers in that cab by saying it's too trebly or spiky or whatever. I think it just takes a while for those speakers to break in but once they do, that cab sounds glorious.
Eminence p50e sounds great! Thanks for the great demo!
This mostly confirms what i thought. The WGS Retro 30 sits in between the 16ohm V30 and DV-77 here. I liked the CB-H and last Black Shadow too and Redback wasn't bad.
The Randall CRUSHED all of them!!!
The Eminence custom legends sounded great to me. Also liked the Redbacks, Creamback 75, and the Vet 30.
It would be cool to hear different speaker combinations, like a V30 with an Eminence Legend, mic both cabs with an sm57 with the same head. Also, it would be very helpful to hear this on a mix context, maybe make a track with drums and bass, record left and right guitars. Btw we acknowledge and appreciate the labor of love in this video!
Engl V30, KSR redbacks, 25W greenbacks sounded incredible. There was only a couple of speakers in the entire batch I didn't really like. Most of them sounded really good, just different flavors.
Hey Kyle, love this vid. Something I noticed is that many of these cabs seem like they push more or less volume. I'm not looking at a VU meter or anything, but some seem quite a bit louder. You've been in the studio a fair amount so I'm sure you're aware of the problems regarding A/Bing and volume. An increase in volume, whether actual or perceived, usually sounds better. I have plugins in Reaper that will automatically level match different tracks. Maybe you could implement something like that on these tests. I'm betting there is a way to do it that's pretty drag and drop and wouldn't really mess with your workflow. That way all the tracks are level matched and you aren't introducing any non-linearities by using something like a limiter.
Just a thought. Dig the second channel, keep up the good work.
I use my MT 100 with DV-77 speakers on my 2x12 Orange OB Cabinet and the Warehouse REAPER HP & Vintage 30 speakers on my 4x12 Cabinet.
damn that P50E in the VHT cab sounded sick, ill have to check those out at some point
Wished there was a beloved orange v30 cab in the mix but incredible job with this shootout. Alot of those sounded so cool. I'm most interested in those DV-77's
Great video. I'd have to choose the Eminence C90, the Veteran 30, H75 or one of the Greenback loaded Marshalls. The rest had some sort of weird resonant overtone/hollowness/brittle buzzy thing going on. I wonder if differences in power handling played a role in this? What was the master on your amp? Thanks for the hard work. Moving those cabs around is no joke.
that vht 212 last one absolutely killed all of them... it was the most upfront fullest and far from buzzy, scratchy sounding. still it was not dark or super boomy in the lowend. what a cab!
Thanks for putting the black shadows on their was thinking of getting 2
That Creamback 75 has an awesome tone!
Marshall 1960a sounded nicest to my ear, followed by the randall and the H75 creamback KSR. Others would forsure find there place in certain mixes. But raw tones, those took it for me.
T75's was the sound of 90's thrash for a while. It's got its own thing going on. It really brings out the low end on the palm mutes.
it's a scooped sound which is why the low end is there yet it still cuts through.
Damn this must have been a mission hope your backs ok:) Randall and mode 4 cab are the best to my ears. Seems not many people use k100s they rock lucky i have the same cab
That basket weave Marshall with Greenbacks sounded super !
I liked the 16ohm V30, redback, Veteran, both creambacks. G12H30 has nice EQ but also a sort of fuzzy decay that I wish wasn’t there.
Freaking love your channel bro
Lotta love for the P50e, but my guy you need to try a Fane F70. Such a killer speaker. Steve Fryette knows whats up.
Great work Kyle awesome video to my ears the winner is Dv 77 and g12 K100
Ive got a dv77 and swamp thang. Both 16 ohm. Its a hella blend. Different wattages, so you get the dv77 nice and clear woth some dark muddy underpowered tones from the swamp thang. It really works.
I have a couple of 2x12's with DV-77's and they're awesome.
One is mixed with an Eminence Governor and the other is mixed with a WGS Reaper HP. They're my favorite cabs by far.
Great video! it´s really curious , i find the best combination V30+ EVM12L ( comparing all i have tested ) and barely anyone uses that combination and its extremely tight, clear and thick....I recommend you to try that speakers!
I produce/engineer/mix/master full time at my recording studio.
People will come in with $2500 heads and $500 cabinets complaining about their tone.
I plug them into any of my better cabinets (selected, of course, to compliment the head and the tone they're going for) and it sounds 1000 times better. Instantly. Now, pick the right speaker in the right cab to go along with the right character coming out of the amp head and you've gone from "this is shit" to "oh shit this rips."
The thing that tends to bum them out, though, is when I pull out my Egnator Rebel 20 - a head a got for $150 used - and put it through the right cab (it loves my Mesa 2x12 from 2001) and it sounds better than their Revv (for example) through the cab they walked in with. That head's awesome and it's my secret "vocal mids" amp that always sounds cool. I think it's a painful lesson a lot of us guitar folk learn: amps are cool, fun to experiment with, and have a definite hand in shaping the character of the tone but cabs are where 90% of the tone is designed and defined.
Amps are the fresh lookin' shoes while cabinets are the shirt, pants, hat, haircut, and body shape of the person wearing the shoes.
The G12H30 was my definitely my personal favorite. Smooth highs, powerful mids. Since this amp is already has a somewhat scooped tone it's pretty logical that a very mid-forward speaker plays well with it, and that somewhat mid-scooped speakers doesn't (like the T75). However, the G12C Greenback (should be mid-forward) didn't sound very good IMO, while the K100 (usually a bit scooped) did, so that logic might not work after all 😅
Celestion V30 and K100 is the best combo for metal I’ve ever heard. They compliment each other perfectly, I’ll never run anything else.
G12H30 and K100s are my favourite. The Engl V30 and the ET65 sound great too.
6:12 didn't expect it but the Marshall with K100 speakers is my favorite, sounds huge.
Eminence DV77 sounds sick. The Marshall 1960a sounds as fizzy as mine. The Marshall K100 on the other hand sounds great. Great video... Thanks.
I use K100s and have done for years - love em! Instant slayer.
great comparison 👍all time m25 greenback fan here. İt is great in marshall cabs but fantastic in an Engl cab. İ swaped all v30s to m25s in my 2x12 and 4x12 engls..
eminence legend 1218 is also a hidden gem i think. İt is great alone and in combination with tonker.
Sounded best and most massive with that ENGL cab. Wow! its like adding a depth control to the MT100
Eminence DV77 is really good, and greatly suprised by the black shadow too
The Mesa Black Shadow vintage sounded awesome 😃
I love this kind of content.
I got a v30 and dv77 in a 2x12 with evh 6l6 50 watt and it is brutal . Can't wait to get me a mesa recto 4x12 .
my favorite are jensen speakers, they have a dip in the mids that makes most tube amps sound excellent
My favorite is still the Randall, and I remember why I own that cab lol
The Creamback m65 has some serious balls and in my experience you just have to boost some presence so it cuts through like the others. The G12M25 also kicked ass for this style, closely followed by Mesa V30.
I think the 16 ohm setups sounded best of all. The Splawn Creamback 65 and the Marshall G12C & the G12M did it for me.
Agree. I've got a 16 ohm dv77 and a 16 ohm swamp thang blended together. Sounds epic. All thanks to Kristian Kohle
I really liked the Engl and the Greenback Marshall
Interesting comparison. The only way it could have been more fair, in my opinion, would have to been to try them all in the same cab. But good lord, the time you’d spend just doing the swaps alone would take a bit! Haha. Still, I really dig this!
Speaker, cab (and mic too) would have to be my favourite in tone-making. Amps boosts pickups are fun too, but the insane variance you can get with IR's is unbeatable. Can't have a good mix with a bad IR.
Engl makes the best sounding stuff. Every demo I hear, it's always great.
If you stop to think about it, every one of us is hearing each of these speakers differently. So it's not only that each speaker is different, but we all hear things differently due to various factors. Just think about the different types/degrees of hearing damage that we probably each suffer from, to one degree or another. After over three decades of industrial work and a lifetime of loud music, I know I have hearing damage. Different frequencies have become attenuated.
It's mind-blowing and one of the main reasons that we each prefer different tones.
I don't think that's real, man...
Just two hours ago I did my own shootout with my Fireball through my Mesa, Engl & Vader cabs. Engl won, Mesa came in close second, Vader last. Those older Engl cabs are no joke. So damn heavy though! 😆🤘😎
I've never tried a Creamback 75. Now I want to get one.
How do those Anniversaries sound in the room? They sound really good in nearly all the high gain demo’s I’ve seen but I also heard they have quite a bit of harsh frequencies. So yea, what’s your experience with them?
Very interesting. Id like to see how the new 6505 ii cab Sheffield speakers stack up against all these
Thanks for the no post, just SM57 demos. Really helps
Loved the sound of the Vader with Legends.
insane of collection.. how big is the cabinet storage? :)
I had been falling out of love with my 5150 mk3 50w combo, until i replaced the eminence governor with the OG EVH speaker it came with, sounds so much better now, the eminence is slightly damaged with the center cone pushed in leaving it "dented" wondering how much that effected the tone becuz i loved the eminence gov thru the 50w 5150 head
My two favorite in this video were:
1. Vader cab with eminence legend custom.
2. Ksr cab with redback
Looks like both cabs are oversized so idk how those speakers would sound in a traditional size cab but they sound amazing in this video! Great shootout!
Maybe surprisingly, I think the speakers that the sound the best on their own are the ones derived from vintage Celestions. All the rest sounded good or would sound great paired with a different speaker.
Although, aside from all that, I think the redback was my favorite as a standalone overall.
Great job! Did you turn off the amp between cabs or just standby? Just wondering...
The Randall Xl cab sounded killer I thought, aggressive tight and a little open
Nice to see the Celestion 12H 30watt speakers in there!
The thing i like about the creamback 65 is that it doesn't violate your ear holes.
I agree they're really nice, with my m65's I like to dial the presence up so it gets that crunch while still being pleasant on the ears. People saying they like the K100's with these amp settings have hearing loss!!! In fairness he's recording with the mic at the cone so that's why they're all quite bright but still
@@phantomflame0658 I'm a dark tone connoisseur
Do you have a video talking about your recording setup, and specifically explaining how your SM57 setup is in stereo on the final video? Thanks, I’m a noob with audio/recording..
I would like to hear a k100 and a red back together.
Great comparison video dude 👍🏻🤘🏻
The Mode 4 K100 cab did the thing for me