Hi Gerald, good stuff. Txs for that. For the lunchbox it should be mentioned that it does not fit with the Atomos Connect Module for two reasons a.) it is too thick b.) you would have to unscrew the Atomos Connect Module if you want to change drives (the lunchbox is simply too short).
YOu dont need write speed if you are downloading footage from SSD to your computer, isnt it? You just need read speed. Write speed u using during your camera/recorder records on it, and there is no usage of launch box reader.
Sorry, i notice a misunderstanding in this video, The Andycine may have faster write speed, but this will not be much used, because the writing takes place with the Ninja V, On top of that, the Atomos manual says also not to delete any files from the SSD with a computer So the cheap WaveLink SATA reader, is a better choice, faster in reading, that's all it has to do.
He was just comparing them when connected to PC because a lot of people edit directly on the media they record onto in the Ninja, instead of first copying the footage to the PC. Write speed matters for editing as you'll know. Atomos manuals can say what they like about deleting, it doesn't mean much. As for readers etc the Atomos ones aren't good, never were good, and I seriously doubt anyone uses them except if they have nothing else... I have the Atomos one but have never even plugged it in, I have a generic Sata -> USB thing instead.
Awesome setup - Ive been using the Ninja V for less than a month now - However looking at the prices of the SATA drives I searched around and found your video on how to use the Andycine Lunchbox - which saved me hundreds of pounds in money as I built two Andycine drives for the Ninja V - Thank you so much for that - I am now interested in that Andycine power supply you showed in your video - How long would that power the Ninja V for? And are there any other portable powering solutions for the Ninja V?
Glad I was helpful! So the NInja V will typically draw 10W while occasionally going up to near 20W. On the 95wh AndyCine battery you should be good at close to 3 hours shooting 4k 60fps. I'm not aware of other portable power solutions that would be this cost effective and wouldn't overly weigh down your rig.
Hello, great video, thanks for sharing your advice and tips, but I have a question about the v mount battery, how long does the battery charge last just for the monitor?
how do you like the tilta matte box over the smallrig one? I've head people that greatly favor the smallrig but I have no hand's on with either of them
The Tilta Mini matte box is still my favorite for smaller rig setups. For larger ones I just got my hands on the Tilta Mirage and am in love with it! Really liking the new smaller round filters that are so much cheaper than other filters!
Great job here, what is the handle that you are using with the record button on it. I see you have a top handle also with a record button on it and if this is so, how are you connecting both?
@@GeraldBertramPhotography thank you Gerald, I will be looking into that. What is that side handle with the record button on it and do you use both, the top and side Handle at the same time and if you do how are they both connected to the camera? Thank you very much for the response.
@@GeraldBertramPhotography oh I understand thank you very much for your prompt response I think I'll go for Angelbird AtomX SSDmini (500GB) , have a nice day ..
My cat does the same kind of thing. When they want attention they want attention. LOL MY FEEL WORLD FW 760 ARRIVED TODAY What I need if you could recommend one because it did not come with one Is a standard size HDMI cable. Perhaps no more than 2 ft long at the most. I would like one that would last me the rest of my life. Can you send me a link Gerald or recommend something. Thanks. Keith
Does the faster write speed matter if they both successfully record the same files? The Read speed would be important as your PC nvme drives are a lot faster so the faster the read the better for transferring.
I don't have the Shinobi but I BELIEVE it has the same power requirements as the NInja V so you should be good as long as the DC barrel plug is the same size which, again, I BELIEVE it is.
@@GeraldBertramPhotography One can checkout the DC battery plate, it states the voltage range, the barrel locking plug/jack comes in two standard sizes, i believe 2.1 and 2.2mm inner size outer size is 5.5mm
How do you use the Ninja V with the FX3? Do you record ProRes or ProRes Raw? I'd love to check out ProRes Raw with the a7SIII, but since it's not supported in Resolve, I'm not what the point would be (color tools in FCP are so limited without additional plugins, IMO). Nice setup. I like the Andycine Lunchbox. That's a cool little device
So with the FX3 and I assume the A7S3 you can record in 12bit ProRes Raw up to 4.2k 60p which is what I do when I'm trying to squeeze out every bit of the image quality I can. You can also record in regular ProRes & DNx at all the resolutions and frame rates the camera supports. If you buy the addon you can also record in h265. I just really like recording to the little SSD vs memory cards. I can edit directly off the SSD when I hook it up to the computer or just transfer the files off of it a lot faster than I can with the SD cards. The lack of support for ProRes RAW is pretty much the last thing holding me up from switching to Resolve. Fingers crossed they work that out with Apple some day!
@@GeraldBertramPhotography Resolve is hands down the way to go, don't wait! It really takes your color grading skills to the next level. For me I'm still getting used to the editing functions of Resolve in order to fully switch over. But working with color it is an absolute game changer. Spoiler alert I doubt they will ever have ProRes Raw support since it clashes with their own products. What you can do is transcode Raw to 4444 XQ, file sizes go up but you retain 12 bit color and smooth editing. If the production is high budget and demands Raw and 12 bit color in post production than you can easily justify the increase in file size.
@@willmannering I hear you! I just need to bite the bullet and make the switch. Not to mention the huge benefit of being able to ditch buggy Adobe products. Premiere just wants to make my cry sometimes...
I just got my Andycine reader and wanted to ask if you experienced issues or inconsistencies in reading the lunchbox? I have two lunchboxes, one with a Samsung T5 and the other with a generic Leven drive, both 1TB. But only 1 out of 10 attempts to read the drive on my MacBook is successful. I have various usb c cables and the only one that gave a 50/50 success rate on both, is my MacBook usb c cable. Nor even my Angelbird usb c drive cable worked consistently. Yet my generic Startech mSATA reader cable works flawlessly on both drives. A friend believes I need a Thunderbolt usb c for this reader. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.
@@GarCorStudio I personally don't use a Mac so I can't speak to that. However on my Windows machine I have been using a Thunderbolt certified cable and have never had any issue reading the drive. Like not even a single time. I'd recommend you pick one up and if you do please let me know the results.
@@GeraldBertramPhotography Hi Gerald..Ok..so update for information.....a film colleague and tried different tests between last night and this morning to figure this out and with same results. Then we observed two things..the sata connector on the lunchbox reader had some wiggle play which I assumed as normal so we decided to open it up and saw thar the controller card sits in the casing similarly to the contollers and drive in the lunchboxes themselves, except with a point something mm of headroom space. So I decided to use strips of leftover heat sink tape from the lunchbox and sandwhiched the controller card between them and closed it back up (making sure the msata connector was close to or maxed out to the exit as possible). Nice tight fit with no wiggle. Eureka, all cables and all drives work. The connector on the lunchbox reader is actually half the length protruding compared to the generic Startech cable which means the connectors were not making full connection. lesson learnt. Also, when putting together the samsung T5 drive into the casing, it's actually a few micro inches deeper than my generic drive which also contributed to the connection not being fully realized. So just sharing, but I will still invest in a thunderbolt cable.
Hey thanks for the information. Question. Does it matter what year ninja v someone has? I seen one for sale and it had a 1920x1200 resolution… but others have 1920x1080. And new to this and I want to purchase one but not sure about certain specs. Will a firmware update change the resolution from old to new? Or should I just buy a newer model?
As far as I am aware the newer NInja V+ is the same dimensions as the original Ninja V. That being said this video was done with the original Ninja V so just keep that in mind as far as stuff like the cage goes. All the other accessories would work just fine with either version. The only reason to spend the extra money to get the newer Ninja V+ is if you are wanting to record things like 4k120p on the monitor or higher resolutions like 8K. Now obviously you would need a camera with those higher specs like the Canon R5 for 8K. For my FX3 the original Ninja V is perfect when I want to record 4k 60fps ProRes RAW. So if you tell me what camera you have and the kinds of things you shoot I can give you a better recommendation. Thanks again for watching!
I think it will stand up a lot better than the Ninja V would! That magnalium material it is made from is strong stuff and dissipates heat incredibly well so I think it might be the best drive you could have in high heat environments. Stay tuned for a video shortly where I check out the Lunchbox 2 & 3 for different drive types.
I bought the lunchboxes mainly for the fact they don’t block the fan on the Ninja V and the SSD itself should dump heat faster. I live in the desert so it’s pretty vital.
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Great video and help. I wander if Can i use a samsung T7 as well?
So I have not personally tried this however I have had a few folks here report that the T7 would not work as it is a bit of a different form factor inside. Again, this is just second hand info!
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@@GeraldBertramPhotography Many Thanks Gerald. i keep that in mind. Nice video and gratefull for your responds
So you could use the Ninja V just as a monitor and do all the recording in your camera on a SD card. However most people get this monitor because it can record the HDMI signal out of your camera often with much better codec than your camera has. For example on the FX3 you can record RAW video with the NInja V and you cannot record RAW in your camera on a SD card. So when recording with the Ninja V you need a SSD in the monitor for it to record with.
need ? depends, some cameras have a 30 minute recording limit, SSD memory is cheaper than SD flash cards, if you record internaly already you would be better off with a model monitor without recording, internally some cameras only record in h264 codec, so it's an upgrade, recoding externally.
So it all depends on the bitrates of the codecs you use. So for example ProRes 422 at 4k 24fps is about 471Mbps which equates to around 211gb per hour. So you’d get a bit over 4 hours on the 1tb drive. If you went 4k24fps at ProRes HQ you’d only get about around 3 hours. If you were shooting ProRes HQ at 4k60fps you’d get a little over an hour because of the higher bitrate. That’s assuming my math is right!
@@GeraldBertramPhotography I'm curious Gerald whether you had any performance issues with this T5 and the Andycine for specifically recording ProRes 422 HQ, in 4K60p? Tempted to go with this solution, but I need the drive to be able to hold up to this specific codec and I'm not sure if the 'sustained' write speed would be enough?
videos that start with the f@*ken cats. I’m not an animal lover. They claimed that these are fur babies I have no respect. I’m about to take out the video and the information comes in. Outstanding! I subscribe to the channel I appreciate the information. I wish the guy was a little more manly about his animal. No problems he won’t be coming to any of my parties. But he is a technical mentor.
@@GeraldBertramPhotography Thank you. I am think about getting the smallrig np adapter with with big np batteries to put it on the back of the camara to maintain balance. Do you know if it is possible?
@@josemiguelherrerapalacin2816 Should work well. If you are powering the Ninja V off that battery plate, just make sure you get the correct D-tap to dc barrel cord
@@josemiguelherrerapalacin2816 I haven't personally tried it myself so I don't want to say for sure you could. However my gut feeling is that it is pretty likely you would be able to!
I hope you're paying that kitty something; she never fails to amuse. Nice video. Thanks for introducing me to the Lunchbox!
She is definitely highly spoiled. Probably the reason why she is constantly trying to be in the videos.
Hi Gerald, good stuff. Txs for that.
For the lunchbox it should be mentioned that it does not fit with the Atomos Connect Module for two reasons
a.) it is too thick
b.) you would have to unscrew the Atomos Connect Module if you want to change drives (the lunchbox is simply too short).
YOu dont need write speed if you are downloading footage from SSD to your computer, isnt it? You just need read speed. Write speed u using during your camera/recorder records on it, and there is no usage of launch box reader.
Thanks! Very informative, must appreciate.
Can be done with the T7 Drive?
with this battery and v mount can i power the camera GH5 and monitor atomos together?
Sorry, i notice a misunderstanding in this video, The Andycine may have faster write speed, but this will not be much used, because the writing takes place with the Ninja V,
On top of that, the Atomos manual says also not to delete any files from the SSD with a computer
So the cheap WaveLink SATA reader, is a better choice, faster in reading, that's all it has to do.
He was just comparing them when connected to PC because a lot of people edit directly on the media they record onto in the Ninja, instead of first copying the footage to the PC. Write speed matters for editing as you'll know.
Atomos manuals can say what they like about deleting, it doesn't mean much. As for readers etc the Atomos ones aren't good, never were good, and I seriously doubt anyone uses them except if they have nothing else... I have the Atomos one but have never even plugged it in, I have a generic Sata -> USB thing instead.
Awesome setup - Ive been using the Ninja V for less than a month now - However looking at the prices of the SATA drives I searched around and found your video on how to use the Andycine Lunchbox - which saved me hundreds of pounds in money as I built two Andycine drives for the Ninja V - Thank you so much for that - I am now interested in that Andycine power supply you showed in your video - How long would that power the Ninja V for? And are there any other portable powering solutions for the Ninja V?
Glad I was helpful! So the NInja V will typically draw 10W while occasionally going up to near 20W. On the 95wh AndyCine battery you should be good at close to 3 hours shooting 4k 60fps. I'm not aware of other portable power solutions that would be this cost effective and wouldn't overly weigh down your rig.
@@GeraldBertramPhotography Thank you I will get this power set up soon.
Hello, great video, thanks for sharing your advice and tips, but I have a question about the v mount battery, how long does the battery charge last just for the monitor?
What other alternatives to the T5 can be used with the lunch box? The T5 is hard to find and seems To Have been replaced by the T7
You need another version Lunchbox for that.
willl this work with pro res RAW?
Would the newer SAMSUNG T7 1TB, drive work. It seems to be twice as fast as the T5. But would it fit in the Lunchbox? Anyone know?
I dont think so. T5 based on mSata and T7 based on nvme. Form factor of board might be different.
how do you like the tilta matte box over the smallrig one? I've head people that greatly favor the smallrig but I have no hand's on with either of them
The Tilta Mini matte box is still my favorite for smaller rig setups. For larger ones I just got my hands on the Tilta Mirage and am in love with it! Really liking the new smaller round filters that are so much cheaper than other filters!
Great job here, what is the handle that you are using with the record button on it. I see you have a top handle also with a record button on it and if this is so, how are you connecting both?
Thanks so much! That is the SmallRig 2880 top handle. Using a USB C to USB C cable to hook it up to the camera.
@@GeraldBertramPhotography thank you Gerald, I will be looking into that. What is that side handle with the record button on it and do you use both, the top and side Handle at the same time and if you do how are they both connected to the camera? Thank you very much for the response.
There is no stabilization when shooting RAW with the A7SIII/FX3 and Ninja V. What's your solution to stabilization?
Great tips and great combo thanks a lot !
Did you find a cheap way to color calibrate the Ninja V ? the cable needed cost way too much...
That ks for the kind words! Unfortunately I haven't found a super easy way to do that.
good video, I ask you if you can use the SAMSUNG T7 Portable SSD 1TB - Up to 1050MB/s - USB 3.2 External Solid State Drive thank you very much
From what I have heard from others, no.
@@GeraldBertramPhotography oh I understand thank you very much for your prompt response I think I'll go for Angelbird AtomX SSDmini (500GB) , have a nice day ..
My cat does the same kind of thing.
When they want attention they want attention. LOL
MY FEEL WORLD FW 760 ARRIVED TODAY
What I need if you could recommend one because it did not come with one
Is a standard size HDMI cable. Perhaps no more than 2 ft long at the most. I would like one that would last me the rest of my life.
Can you send me a link Gerald or recommend something.
Thanks. Keith
For sure check out the Blue Kondor cables for sure
Does the faster write speed matter if they both successfully record the same files? The Read speed would be important as your PC nvme drives are a lot faster so the faster the read the better for transferring.
Faster write speeds mean it can keep up with larger codecs for better quality, like 10bit over 8bit. more data means faster write speeds required.
Exactly ! the Andycine interface does not need to write, that happens only with the Ninja V
What's the brand/name of the multi-tool ?
Does anyone know if the D Tap battery option will work for the Atomos Shinobi as well? Any differences?
I don't have the Shinobi but I BELIEVE it has the same power requirements as the NInja V so you should be good as long as the DC barrel plug is the same size which, again, I BELIEVE it is.
@@GeraldBertramPhotography One can checkout the DC battery plate, it states the voltage range, the barrel locking plug/jack comes in two standard sizes, i believe 2.1 and 2.2mm inner size outer size is 5.5mm
hello why t5 and not t7?
Different interfaces.
@@DerrickLytlephoto needs different version of the Lunchbox model.
Do you know if the newer Samsung T7 SSD drives are compatible with the Andycine Lunchbox?
I dont think so. T5 based on mSata and T7 based on nvme. Form factor of board might be different.
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Do you have any plans on reviewing the LunchBox 02 ? Thank You in advance
It's actually on the way to me from China as we speak!
@@GeraldBertramPhotography can't wait for your review
How do you use the Ninja V with the FX3? Do you record ProRes or ProRes Raw? I'd love to check out ProRes Raw with the a7SIII, but since it's not supported in Resolve, I'm not what the point would be (color tools in FCP are so limited without additional plugins, IMO).
Nice setup. I like the Andycine Lunchbox. That's a cool little device
So with the FX3 and I assume the A7S3 you can record in 12bit ProRes Raw up to 4.2k 60p which is what I do when I'm trying to squeeze out every bit of the image quality I can. You can also record in regular ProRes & DNx at all the resolutions and frame rates the camera supports. If you buy the addon you can also record in h265. I just really like recording to the little SSD vs memory cards. I can edit directly off the SSD when I hook it up to the computer or just transfer the files off of it a lot faster than I can with the SD cards. The lack of support for ProRes RAW is pretty much the last thing holding me up from switching to Resolve. Fingers crossed they work that out with Apple some day!
@@GeraldBertramPhotography Resolve is hands down the way to go, don't wait! It really takes your color grading skills to the next level. For me I'm still getting used to the editing functions of Resolve in order to fully switch over. But working with color it is an absolute game changer. Spoiler alert I doubt they will ever have ProRes Raw support since it clashes with their own products. What you can do is transcode Raw to 4444 XQ, file sizes go up but you retain 12 bit color and smooth editing. If the production is high budget and demands Raw and 12 bit color in post production than you can easily justify the increase in file size.
@@willmannering I hear you! I just need to bite the bullet and make the switch. Not to mention the huge benefit of being able to ditch buggy Adobe products. Premiere just wants to make my cry sometimes...
Very good review. 👍🏽
Thanks for the kind words!
I just got my Andycine reader and wanted to ask if you experienced issues or inconsistencies in reading the lunchbox? I have two lunchboxes, one with a Samsung T5 and the other with a generic Leven drive, both 1TB. But only 1 out of 10 attempts to read the drive on my MacBook is successful. I have various usb c cables and the only one that gave a 50/50 success rate on both, is my MacBook usb c cable. Nor even my Angelbird usb c drive cable worked consistently. Yet my generic Startech mSATA reader cable works flawlessly on both drives. A friend believes I need a Thunderbolt usb c for this reader. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.
@@GarCorStudio I personally don't use a Mac so I can't speak to that. However on my Windows machine I have been using a Thunderbolt certified cable and have never had any issue reading the drive. Like not even a single time. I'd recommend you pick one up and if you do please let me know the results.
@@GeraldBertramPhotography Thanks buddy. Will definitely take that approach and let you know.
@@GeraldBertramPhotography Hi Gerald..Ok..so update for information.....a film colleague and tried different tests between last night and this morning to figure this out and with same results. Then we observed two things..the sata connector on the lunchbox reader had some wiggle play which I assumed as normal so we decided to open it up and saw thar the controller card sits in the casing similarly to the contollers and drive in the lunchboxes themselves, except with a point something mm of headroom space. So I decided to use strips of leftover heat sink tape from the lunchbox and sandwhiched the controller card between them and closed it back up (making sure the msata connector was close to or maxed out to the exit as possible). Nice tight fit with no wiggle. Eureka, all cables and all drives work. The connector on the lunchbox reader is actually half the length protruding compared to the generic Startech cable which means the connectors were not making full connection. lesson learnt. Also, when putting together the samsung T5 drive into the casing, it's actually a few micro inches deeper than my generic drive which also contributed to the connection not being fully realized. So just sharing, but I will still invest in a thunderbolt cable.
Hey thanks for the information. Question. Does it matter what year ninja v someone has? I seen one for sale and it had a 1920x1200 resolution… but others have 1920x1080. And new to this and I want to purchase one but not sure about certain specs. Will a firmware update change the resolution from old to new? Or should I just buy a newer model?
As far as I am aware the newer NInja V+ is the same dimensions as the original Ninja V. That being said this video was done with the original Ninja V so just keep that in mind as far as stuff like the cage goes. All the other accessories would work just fine with either version. The only reason to spend the extra money to get the newer Ninja V+ is if you are wanting to record things like 4k120p on the monitor or higher resolutions like 8K. Now obviously you would need a camera with those higher specs like the Canon R5 for 8K. For my FX3 the original Ninja V is perfect when I want to record 4k 60fps ProRes RAW. So if you tell me what camera you have and the kinds of things you shoot I can give you a better recommendation. Thanks again for watching!
How do you think the lunchbox will do in harsh weather? like rain, freezing weather, and hot climates?
I think it will stand up a lot better than the Ninja V would! That magnalium material it is made from is strong stuff and dissipates heat incredibly well so I think it might be the best drive you could have in high heat environments. Stay tuned for a video shortly where I check out the Lunchbox 2 & 3 for different drive types.
I bought the lunchboxes mainly for the fact they don’t block the fan on the Ninja V and the SSD itself should dump heat faster. I live in the desert so it’s pretty vital.
Great video and help. I wander if Can i use a samsung T7 as well?
So I have not personally tried this however I have had a few folks here report that the T7 would not work as it is a bit of a different form factor inside. Again, this is just second hand info!
@@GeraldBertramPhotography Many Thanks Gerald. i keep that in mind. Nice video and gratefull for your responds
Would I need to use the SSD in the Atmos ninja V if I already have a memory card in my camera? Confused on why it's being used
So you could use the Ninja V just as a monitor and do all the recording in your camera on a SD card. However most people get this monitor because it can record the HDMI signal out of your camera often with much better codec than your camera has. For example on the FX3 you can record RAW video with the NInja V and you cannot record RAW in your camera on a SD card. So when recording with the Ninja V you need a SSD in the monitor for it to record with.
@@GeraldBertramPhotography hands down the most helpful response in my 17 years on youtube thank you!
@@GeraldBertramPhotography so I have an a7s3, will it help me with that camera?
@@WeGetWildTV It certainly will. You can record ProRes RAW with the Ninja V and the A7S3.
need ? depends, some cameras have a 30 minute recording limit, SSD memory is cheaper than SD flash cards, if you record internaly already you would be better off with a model monitor without recording, internally some cameras only record in h264 codec, so it's an upgrade, recoding externally.
what does a t5 SSD translate to in terms of recording time for 4k?
So it all depends on the bitrates of the codecs you use. So for example ProRes 422 at 4k 24fps is about 471Mbps which equates to around 211gb per hour. So you’d get a bit over 4 hours on the 1tb drive. If you went 4k24fps at ProRes HQ you’d only get about around 3 hours. If you were shooting ProRes HQ at 4k60fps you’d get a little over an hour because of the higher bitrate. That’s assuming my math is right!
@@GeraldBertramPhotography I'm curious Gerald whether you had any performance issues with this T5 and the Andycine for specifically recording ProRes 422 HQ, in 4K60p? Tempted to go with this solution, but I need the drive to be able to hold up to this specific codec and I'm not sure if the 'sustained' write speed would be enough?
@@joeucreative-old I have recorded all the way to 4k 60fps ProRes RAW with no problem at all.
videos that start with the f@*ken cats. I’m not an animal lover. They claimed that these are fur babies I have no respect. I’m about to take out the video and the information comes in. Outstanding! I subscribe to the channel I appreciate the information. I wish the guy was a little more manly about his animal. No problems he won’t be coming to any of my parties. But he is a technical mentor.
how long can you power the ninja v ?
I haven't tested the actual full capacity but I have shot for between 2-3 hours with no problem.
@@GeraldBertramPhotography Thank you. I am think about getting the smallrig np adapter with with big np batteries to put it on the back of the camara to maintain balance. Do you know if it is possible?
@@josemiguelherrerapalacin2816 Should work well. If you are powering the Ninja V off that battery plate, just make sure you get the correct D-tap to dc barrel cord
@@GeraldBertramPhotography do you think I can get all day shooting with this battery and ninja v?
@@josemiguelherrerapalacin2816 I haven't personally tried it myself so I don't want to say for sure you could. However my gut feeling is that it is pretty likely you would be able to!
You’re cat wants attention that is why he is there with you he is say I care about you
Why don't you just buy a video camera?
Powerful and helpful. Thanks
I appreciate the kind words! Thanks!