PRECISION RIMFIRE BERGARA B14R & CZ 457 ( YOUR NEXT RIMFIRE )
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- Опубліковано 13 кві 2022
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I wish someone would compare out the box vs out the box
I wanted a 22LR Longer Range rifle to target shoot. Just setting up my CZ457 Varmint Precision Chassis. For me it was the best choice because a 700 trainer wasn't important. I like the 60 degree bolt rather than 90 degree on the Bergara B14R. Out of the box the CZ 457 trigger feels really good. Adding a Vortex scope with the Area 419 30 MOA adapter / Magpul Bipod & I'm done. Not expensive Vs the high end rifles.
I run a IBI barrel on my CZ 457 LRP and its fantastic! but I'm also in B.C. Canada and that's really the best/only option for aftermarket in Canada.
I always enjoy your video's. Once I recover from my recent burden of house repairs I am definitely saving up for a CZ 457. I really like shooting my 22's, but as of late I've been getting more and more into reloading and precision shooting with my Tikka T3X Tac A1 in 6.5 Creedmoor, but traveling to a range that's 800 - 1200 yards is not something I get to do so easily. I like the ease of ability to change barrels on the 457, I like the short throw of the bolt on my 22's, and I absolutely love the look and adjustability of the MDT chassis.
100-200 yard shooting is something I can do every weekend, so between the precision bug and access to short shooting range's this is something that is very do-able for me.
Always informative...I have both rifles and they both shoot great, but I have more trigger time behind the CZ.
Just went down this road recently for my daughter.. decided to go wo the the pro varmint 457.. what many don’t know but CZ reps are on record of saying is the pro varmint is an mtr setup but at a fraction of the cost.. it’s the best entry level platform to start with the 457 especially if at some point you’re likely going to reach a point where the chassis and barrel might be swapped out down the road. It’s a lot easier to do that later on when you paid a few hundred less for the same rifle..
As for cost.. anyone going down the long road of swapping barrels and/or chassis you’re going to spend the same give or take at the end of the day overall regardless of which of these starting points you come to unless you start with the pro varmint then you’ll be $300 or so to the green.. but out the box that Boyd’s stock leaves a lot to be desired.. it is properly free floater though and being wood and bull barrel it is a good starter platform to get the basics.. (bipod, trigger, “will need to get the extended mag release! No clue why the factory one is almost recessed into the stock” and a tika cheek riser if you’re willing to drill the holes though the factory stock)
the b14 is a really nice rifle but I don’t see it being any better a platform to work from then the cz. Especially if you get pro varmint and build off that action and barrel. The precision chassis is decent but imop not worth the cost difference and likely going to get reloaded anyways so I don’t see the need to buy it out the box when you could almost pick up an mdt for same cost difference.
Reality is.. either one of these is more capable then 9/10 people who will purchase either of them.
One last thing.. idc what trigger you can get in that 700 platform.. the timely for the 457 is really nice and takes 2min to swap in. Never been a trigger snob but after finishing my daughters build out the box it needed zero adjustment to creep or over travel.. the cleanest break I’ve ever seen and you can’t even tell you moved the trigger when pulling it and that’s at the factory presets.. for take up, pull and over travel..
I wish they were in stock somewhere!! I didn't know of this model and was about to buy a mtr!!
I have each one. Different guns for different uses. B14r is heavier so I’ll use the CZ in the field for small game in addition to competition. B14r competition and elr.
I have a 24" CZ 457 in their factory chassis and it shoots sub MOA all day long.
I would like either but waiting on a B-14R because they have a LH option. Contacted CZ and they are supposed to import them at some point but not anytime in the near future that they can commit to. The Rim~x and Vudoo are out of my price range. The videos are informative and helpful.
Both great competitive guns at a close price point.
B14 for me, 3.5k plus rounds and the bolt cycle resistance on closing has eased considerably. The tight open close is for the most part a head space shim. If you need to ease it from the get go then there’s after market shim kits available, easy to install when deep cleaning your bolt, $11.00 from memory.
My mate shoots the CZ and I’d be happy to own his and he my Bergara.
B14 is higher price and still suffering from weak extraction at 1200 dollars that’s just not ok
@@scottsquires6186 Never had an extractor problem with mine. Given the need to put a CZ in chassis for PRS the B14R already equiped with a adjustable stock places it at equal if not better value financially.
@@rvrski1 didn’t really think about the stock portion. i did the trainer vpt 457 and all in with joe ducos doing some stock mod i think i was like $1300 ish pre pandemic
Hey, try leaving some ammo in the sun to warm up and see what groups you get with a warm ammo hot ammo and cold ammo. cheers mate
Thanks for the advice
Great video Josh, I have shot both rifles, but CZ is the one that fits me best. Thanks for making these videos, helps to get the best out of my CZ 457.
Thanks
Awesome vid man!
Impressive shooting in that match
Awesome shooting buddy 👍
Good info, thanks! 👍🏻
I have both , but lean to th b14r because im left handed , much easier to shoot with a left handed gun. But hands down love the cz457 bolt !!!!
I have a cz scout that shoots lights out and my cz 457 22 wmr is a beast. I use to be a Remington guy but I'm turning,
My ancient sears roebuck, tube fed, bolt action, shot out .22 still gets sub MOA at 100yd, at the gunshop it's worth around $100, having my grandfather give it to me as a prank after I asked if I could have "that .22" yet (wanted his manlicher ruger 10/22), PRICELESS! My kids will get it, then their kids, and hopefully their kids, and I'll hope the story of my smart ass grandpa passes down with it.
ONCE AGAIN U HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK.... HONEST AND REAL.... THNX 4 ANOTHER GR8 VIDEO 🎯🎯
Thanks
Excellent video Josh, I really like your comment about the differences between both rifles 👍
Thanks
I`ll stick with my CZ`s, thanks Josh.
Bought my wife a CZ 457 to shoot NRL 22 no regrets whatsoever. I shoot the Bergara B14R, I like the bigger mag and the 700 short action compatibility. Both are shooters!!
Both great for their own reasons
Nice run on target d
Great vid as usual mate but the clunky action is what turns me away from the Beg had one and sold one just can beat the smooth feel of the CZ
The modern rifles are a bit too busy to my eye, but the performance cant be disputed. I just try to shoot my 97 year old Model 52 better and occasionall pickup a useful tip from guys like you. Thanks for your efforts.
fellow~ how execllent job- take care!👋
Those look perfect those boxes
They are great
Hey, nice video. Can you make a video how you s4etup your cameras etc.?
Great video!! Thanks for all your hard work! It's appreciated.. I had a question on that little Prajekt13 case, you said you can customize it, what's the max amount of boxes of ammo you could fit in there?
4 boxes fit. He is really creative so give him a shout with your ideas and im sure he can fix you up
Love your videos, thanks for all the information. On an unrelated note; what magnification on a scope do you need to see hits on paper at 100yrds? Would 25x be enough if the glass quality is good? I’m just starting out with this and seeing that there are some reasonably priced options for 25x
Yeah 25x is enough but really its a lot of glass quality. You need the good glass to see the details of a .22lr bullet hole in paper at 100
You make shooting at distances look so easy. Your a dang good shooter Josh. I need to get a hold of some quality ammo. Living in n.y. makes that a little more difficult . Thanks for the video.
Thanks Earl
You can always send your rifle to the lapua testing center, worth checking out
I built a stock B14R at Christmas time because there wasn't a CZ to be had. That and I run a B14 for long range so the parts feel similar. Was at a local sporting store today and they had used CZ 457s with a bull barrel for considerably cheaper. Almost bought into it but the B14R is just so fun that I don't want to change. Great video. Love the Athlon APRS6 Reticle. What was the scope?
The bergara had an Athlon Cronus and the CZ the Tract Toric ELR
Great video. Still looking for my 457's favorite ammo. Seems to be very finicky. Still love it tho....
Thanks Terry
Thanks...................
Much Respect Josh! I’m also military Retired EOD. I’m shooting Ruger Precision Rimfire and looking to get me a CZ 457 1st of May! I’m a patrion and following your channel has got me hooked! So I’m raising the bar to purchase better more accurate rifles! BTW how can I purchase really cool ammo case!
Thanks Walley, its much appreciated.
Look up prajekt13 on facebook and he can take care of ya there. Awesome guy to deal with
I’m looking at buying my first rifle ever and I’m a bit jealous of you American guys because everything is so cheap in the US. So I think I’ve pinned it down either the Weihrauch HW 66P with a Vortex Diamondback 4-12x40 for 844$ (on sale) or the CZ 457 Varmint with wooden stock for 844$!
I would love to buy a Bergara b14r but those are just crazy expensive around 1600$… any recommendations? I guess the Weihrauch isn’t that common in the US but it’s a top end German rifle.
Ordered a timney for my cz, 2-3 month wait.
Hey Josh, greatly appreciate your work. I have a question that may have already been answered. I’m looking at getting back into shooting after many years. I want a .22 for 90% target shooting at the range, and 10% shooting squirrels. I’m torn between a CZ457 varmint and a 10/22 custom. What’s a good rifle set up for under $1200 total with scope?
Question is just how far are you looking to shoot? Also do you plan on hunting from supported positions? I specifically bought. Bergara BMR for small game hunting. Its much lighter than both my 457s (pro varmint and varmint prec trainer) as they both are in the 10-11lb range with the glass i have on them. The BMR is 6.7lbs with the scope i have on it. Its perfect to shoot up to 150-180 yards whereas both the CZs have no problem out to 320. The ruger custom shop my buddy shoots fine out to about 150 yards are so. He did say it likes the more expensive ammo and has issues cycling some of the cheap stuff. Kinda reminds me of the BXR carbon(10/22 clone bergara made). I personally find the Bxr is just as good, lighter and much cheaper. If you want the best out of a semi auto 22 then a KIDD build is still much better and just a bit more in price. If you want a bolt gun it comes down to how far you want to shoot and how much you wanna spend. My opinion is the BXR or BMR would both make great starter rifles at a well thought out price.
I still like my Tika T1x. Seems to be more forgiving when it comes to ammo. The CZ and Bergara I had were ammo sensitive. The CZ didn't shoot anything well. That CZ had a problem.
Me too
The tikka i tested was good. Reminded me of the cz a lot in terms of action and reliability
So I’m looking to build my first precision .22lr and I want to use the 457. I know you said to start with the lower priced American model if I’m planning on changing everything. But I see a euro lux 457 that I can get even cheaper. Is there any difference in the two for what I’m going to do with them? I pretty much just want the receiver. Just discovered this channel I may be binge watching it for a few days. Thanks.
All 457 actions are the same so buy away
Kenny at Dessert Precision, just started a series on his channel about re-barreling the B14R. Hopefully he'll start doing it as a service. I sent him a e mail about doing mine, still waiting to here back from him....fingers crossed..)
Yeah I saw that
I also own both, timney triggers in both, what weight do you prefer? Just curious. Thanks again for another great video!
6-8 ounces
I’m a cz fan but one advantage I see is you can buy just the barreled action for the bergara. Wish cz would offer that.
That is an advantage but good luck finding one! Though a CZ is usually cheaper than the barreled action bergara
Yeah I agree......if cz sold actions id have 4 or 5 lol
We have 457 MTR barreled actions here in Canada. It’s a great option for people to get and drop into whatever chassis/stock they want
@@Womfat yup! I wanted the additional benefits of the match chamber and barrel but hate the MTR stock. Just ordered the MTR barreled action and MDT XRS chassis. Love the option of choosing your platform right from the get go!
Nice shooting!!!! Man seem like you really got to work that bolt hard but it a nice rifle but I’ll stick to my cz457 lol
They are nice
The bolt looks hard to pull down. It disturbs the gun alot more for sure.
Which do you prefer and why (CZ 457 Varmint, Bergara B14R, Bergara BMR)? Which has the best finish on the barrel and action (I hate rust)? Are they equally accurate 50-100?
457 and b14r are both great........bith different......trainer vs traditional rimfire.
All 3 have good fit and finish.
Bmr does not hang with either
Hey Josh ! Love your videos. I'm new to the rimfire game. Quick question. Shooting the same ammo. How many rounds before cleaning the barrel
I try to, emphasis on try, clean every 200 rounds.
There is no set number lol.. eventually you’ll get to know your rifle.. when it’s not longer holding groups it should then you’ll know it’s due to be cleaned. General rule is somewhere around the 150-300 round mark but depends a lot on the barrel length and the ammo being shot as to how dirty or clean it stays..
Wax line bullets will require more cleaning then oil lined ones simply cause it’s a thicker and as such retains more grit and build up..
Only thing you can really do is take 500 or so rounds same ammo on a clean gun to the range and shoot same distance till you’re groups open up a little. Once that happens you know you’re beyond the cleaning cycle for said setup..
You gotta try the trigger that Triggers by SCAR makes for the 457. I’ve got his 4 oz / 4 oz two stage trigger. It’s amazing. He makes a single stage too.
I tried talking with him a long time ago about one and he quit responding
@@PursuitofAccuracy I can understand that. Took me six months of waiting to get mine but in the end I feel it was worth the wait. I think he’s retired so I can’t blame him for not being in a hurry.
I find it interesting that you felt the need to upgrade the CZ barrel, and I wonder if you would have done the same with the Bergara. Did the CZ barrel not meet your accuracy standards?
Im always in search of more accuracy.
Most would be perfectly happy with how the factory barrel performed.
Savage dam near as good half the price...the cz is nice indeed...
Those rifles don't look budget yo mee. I'm drewling..
Awesome video, amazing builds
Haha yeah guess budget is subjective
Hi. Question? Have you noticed higher velocities out of bergara vs cz? I find my eley match and tenex (all lots) shoot consistently higher than posted in n box. Example. A box that is listed at 1065 is printing 1135-1144. Trying to keep it under 1100 and it’s proven difficult. I was wondering what kind of velocities you getting out of the bergara with eley match and tenex. Thanks.
Yes the bergaras, vudoos, etc tend to shoot the eley faster than the cz. The cz also shoots it faster than the box states.
Eley ammo is tested on 26" barrels
@@PursuitofAccuracy thanks for follow up. The 26in barrel, now the published values make sense. Thank you!!
@@rocmanruss happy to help!
Hey Josh I have seen all of your videos and I would like to see you shoot against socalplinst and no matter what the outcome you guys are the best shooters on utube are you all up for that?I am just a very competitive person but I sure would like to see that.
Beagleman
Socal plinker is a geat guy and id love to shoot against him.
We can do a vudoo on vudoo challenge. I will see if I can find his contact info
In regards to aftermarket barrels for the b14r.....
I've heard a lot of chatter about the ibi, but it seems like nobody is posting groups to prove it's superiority to the factory barrell.
Plus by the time you grab a b14r barrelled action, and new barrel, you're in vudoo/rim x territory.
Only an crazy person would take a modded b14r over a vudoo/rim x lol
Great video helped me out! Can I get one of those boxes? 😁😇
I didn't see a link to the prajekt 13 cases. I tried to Google them, but no luck. I have two of each rifle, and I think I prefer the CZ.
Sorry about that. Look them up on facebook
Thanks, Josh. You really do a great job with your videos.
Too bad CZ doesn't want to do business with left handed shooters. That leaves Bergara, Vudoo and RimX.
The CZ 457 does come in a left hand version
Do you see many Ruger Precision in the 22LR game in 22 lr ELR
They don just don't sell barreled actions. Gotta canabalize a cz.
Bergara are a great choice…… but I’ve seen a few friends upgrade from them to Vudoo and never seen any one go from a Vudoo to a bergara. The Vudoo is so much smoother in the bolt close and manipulation.
No argument that Vudoo are slick but from a price point vs performance Vudoo aren’t in the same league as these 2.
The only logical reason to go down the quality chain is financial.
The vudoo is slicker than crap for sure. I got no hate for the vudoo
@@rvrski1 next he's going to tell us how you rarely hear about people trading in their Ferrari for a Pontiac
@@PursuitofAccuracy Would you say the bolt open/close effort/smoothness on the 457 is more or less than a RimX/Vudoo? I'm currently shooting a b14R and the bolt close has literally tipped over a tank trap on me in more than 1 match (granted it's a wobbly tank trap). I've decided I don't need the "trainer" style action if I can get the same smoothness out of a 457.
@@nrf2009 the vudoo is slicker and easier than the 457
The answer is always CZ 457
Speaking of IBI, were you still planning to test the IBI on the CZ?
I had a loaner 1:9 twist but i wasnt impressed with the finish of the barrel
Out of curiosity, what’s the muzzle accessory on the Bergara so it extends past the end of the ACC?
Its just a kidd muzzle break. Purely for looks in this case lol
@@PursuitofAccuracy I hear you. It looks terrible stock in the ACC. Just trying to find something similar in Australia. Cheers.
@@RisingPhoen1x yeah you really want a 20" or longer barrel in an ACC
U said something about there being a remedy to smooth out the action on the bergara. could you link me to that information? i just bought one and would like to fix it. Thanks!
Look up eagle eye shooting here on youtube. He did a video about that a few days ago
@@PursuitofAccuracy thank you man!
@@josht1138 np
ooooo that prajekt13 ammo case front and center looking sexy as hell..... ;)
I have cz had bugara traded it for Remington 541s and couldn't be happier
Nice
I'd do both
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What do you think about the Tikka T1x?
T1x is a great rifle
CZ 457 the only wise choice.
CZ all day long.
How are you filming through the scope?
Sideshot scopecam
josh I love the bergara I know you're in love with the cZ but I love the bergara that muzzle brake you put on the bergara I don't like it at all excuse me greetings from Spain
I honestly didnt like it either lmao.
@@PursuitofAccuracy hahahaha ok I imagine you have mounted it by the chassis
I'd like to see a side by side comparison pound for pound and see gow the reticle moves then
Go look at my other bergara b14r videos. Its in a manners tcs just and dressed out just like the vudoo.
For a prs shooter even if its 20lbs if its on a bag on the tip of a tank trap or prop its gonna cam the rifle over with the bolt throw.
Great rifles just something to consider before buying
@@PursuitofAccuracy I completely agree that weight won't matter much on the tip of a tank trap. My question was more pointed towards your comparison of it on the bench. The scope cam footage was of your 457 on a bench and I assume it was with your wider bipod set further forward. From an apples to apples comparison the same weight, same bipod, shot from a bench I would think the difference would be negligible.
I am in no way intending this to sound like a troll, I just noticed the Bergara had zero weights and I assume your CZ is somewhere around the 18-22 pound area.
@@Dan_PRS no worries. Same tripod and my daughters lighter cz is still smoother. Honestly off the bench it doesnt matter much though. Its the props and having to relevel the rifle that makes it annoying. The bipod should keep the gun level locked in no matter the bolt throw
I'd like to see head to head right out of the box without any up grades or changes. No tuner or suppressor, same optics and each gun shoot the ammo that it likes the best,just because one gun shoots a load better then the other still doesn't mean it's overall the more accurate rifle. 22s are the most picky firearms made when it comes to what load they may shoot the best.
The issue is finding each ones preferred ammo etc takes a ton of testing and a lot of cash to buy all that test ammo. 12-20 a box per match grade ammo adds up pretty quick.
@@PursuitofAccuracy in the 25 plus years of serious competitive shooting one thing still remains the same with rimfires you have to test as many as you can to get the best results that you can. Or just be satisfied with what you are getting . I do enjoy your videos thanks for the time you but in ,range work takes more effort than most people realize.
@@Threegunmaster appreciate ya and I agree 100%. I have two 457's (mine and my daughters) I lot test for and buy by the case for.
Having to keep those rifles fed makes it that much harder to do it for temporary loaner rifles.
One thing Bergara needs to do is make an effort to fix their B-14 .22lr mags.
Those plastic lips on top last maybe one year max. of normal use then you have to buy a new mag.
We have fixed the problem but Bergara won't listen.
Guess they make more money selling new mags every year to owners
I'm interested in the ammo box can I get one from you with your logo
Hey david. Hit prajekt13 up on facebook and he can set you up
@@PursuitofAccuracy thanks
The answer is Tikka T1x
Ive also shot them. Good rifles but not sure id say its the answer
@@PursuitofAccuracy I feel the T1x is the better made rifle and seems to be the most reliable especially in the sub-freezing temps. The CZ seems to be more popular for the same reason as the 10/22...not because it's better but because there are more options to mod it. Good job on the channel.
The answer is and always will be CZ
But the rest are trying 🤣💪
@@bobheale2521 As far as reliability goes ive never had a more reliable rifle than the 457. That action in the video has close to 20k rounds through it and has never had an issue.
Ive shot that action in the mdt chassis with a broken mag well (clean breaks in 3 spots) and it fed and functioned perfectly. I only realized it was broken when i pulled the action
@@PursuitofAccuracy Why did it break ?
CZ
Hello
Great video but disagreed with the “entry level” label.
Thanks. Entry level to competitive shooting, but I agree its very subjective
@@PursuitofAccuracy I would put them mid range. The likes of ruger/savage as entry and the RimX and Vudoo at the other end.
But being UK based it’s mostly CZ and Bergara at the comps. RimX and Vudoo are very rare. I’ve never seen one.
@@smidge61 ah got ya. Yeah here rimx and vudoo are much more common
(YOUR NEXT RIMFIRE) Good luck finding a 457 MTR
Reliable Gun Vancouver BC has one
In what world is a fucking$1000+ .22 a budget rifle
In the same world that $3k 22lr rifles make up half the rifles being used in competition.
Great video but the music ruined it completely ☹️
Sorry to hear that. I generally only add music when there is no talking which is very rare cause i never shut up 😂😂
Neither one of these are representing the original firearms and I’d bet they do not fit into the entry level (meaning less than $1050 for entry level competition requirement). Show us factory issue firearms and compare. I know that’s been done and I’ve seen them. This is more like NASCAR where all the cars are the same and just decorated differently.
In the video im talking about the actions and how they shoot and feel.
The actions on both are completely stock. Why is that relevant? Because both can be modified but aftermarket parts dont change the overall feel of the rifle.
I disagree he’s done them, he has the videos posted. I appreciate them being messed with because it fits a huge portion of shooters who don’t leave things “stock”. Open class is just as important as base class. Imo..
@@joshmartin208 exactly. Most people stay in base class for a few matches then go open.
If your at a match your there to challenge yourself....open class is where the competition is.
Now this vid is funny....... You did not shoot both guns like you shot the Savage a month or so ago. Like a 12-year-old kid shooting beer cans with a 1022. This vid better ammo and you shot slow. Must be Bergara and CZ added some meat to the stew that you serve up. I DO NOT OWN A SAVAGE FIREARM AND THERE ARE NONE IN MY HOUSE! The reason I say that on my post on the Savage you did some time ago you said I am hung up on a Savage. I do not own one. But the question is what do you own when you're doing these vids?
Finfire Annie and Rem 40 for me. Paid for and mine. Anytime you and me on the Green monster or a IR 50/50 target. But that will never happen your to busy serving up stew.
Dinner is served.
I use both but prefer the B14r by long shot as it doesn't give me no problems like CZ does constantly.