STEPHEN LEE vs STEPHEN HENDRY - Fixed Frame 1 Snooker UK Championship 2008 * Banned for match fixing
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2013
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Stephen Lee got banned in 2012, found guilty for match fixing. He is thought to have influenced the result of snooker matches for snooker bets.
He played against Stephen Hendry and this first frame was questionable, to say the least. - Спорт
If you weren’t told who was cheating by trying to loose the frame you would put your money on Hendry
Or lose even.
Or even LOSE.
Yes exactly perhaps they were both on a bung on the same frame as some of Hendrys mistakes looked worse than doing it on purpose
@@JSB-1976ER hahaha absolutely
They were both payed to throw the frame.
Lee was a sacrificial lamb to protect others, Higgins got away with it.
Well said Higgins gets away with alot
Higgins rubbed brassO into Wiggin's willy!
You don't know!
Lee loves Larry lamb.
You a sacrificial bot you are.
Agree mate! How he got off so lightly I really don’t understand. “Oh he only discussed match fixing” what a load of nonsense!
I did think the video of Higgins was pretty damning, but there was proof of actually fixing matches in Lee’s case, where there was no such evidence against Higgins. That does warrant different penalties. Proof matters.
if u had loads of money wouldn't it be great to bribe two snooker players to lose a frame and watch the comedy unfold!
Hahahha this comment
that would be fun
They would be chasing each other around the table, swinging their cues at each others head. Cue 'Yackety Sax' and wake up Benny Hill.
That's fucking mental haha
When Higgins lost to Jordan in his 4th frame that's kind of what it looked like.
John Higgins has left the chat
Group chat has added ......Stephen Maguire and Jamie Burnett
Lol, I just started watching this from YT recommendations to see how far down someone mentioned Higgins. Didn't need to scroll far🤣🤣🤣
And rightly so. I hope he left with his head bowed. No wonder he is so fat, he has eaten loads of humble pie since his attempt to squirm his way out of the bung accusations.
@@bookieal absolutely!
However did he get away with it, when Maguire was banned? They got him on tape, bang to rights - ridiculous
Hendry plays like he knows the fix is in and he is messing with Lee. The safety that pushed the red over the pocket and brought the cue ball back? I would wager that was Hendry telling Lee 'I'm on to you.'
also that black on the cushion
I think you're right but what a hellish position to be in, no idea what I would do...
Aye, shame, but had the same feeling tbf.👍
Didn't see that. Whereabouts in this video, in mm:ss please?
I get the feeling Hendry knew Lee was try to lose the first game, so he did everything he could to lose it himself 😂
I actually wondered this when it got to the brown 🤔
Yea he didnt though, how stupid to even think it lol You realise that is as bad and would be match fixing too.
@@jessebella9322 no it wouldn’t
@@nash06 It would be though, purposely missing no matter what the reason, is not playing properly and is effectively fixing.
@@jessebella9322 It's not fixing, no professional sport would consider that fixing. It would be considered throwing the game or a lack of effort. Still a punishable offence with lots of precedence, but very wrong to call it fixing. To fix a game there must be the intent and planning that someone will benefit financially.
Hindsight is 20/20 however whilst watching this live on TV and noticing Lee was using a cricket bat for a cue my suspicions were aroused...and when the Ladbrokes betting slip fell out of his pocket... and when Lee stood on his chair, lit up a cigar and shouted "hurray, that's me and the missus going to Lanzarote for a fortnight in July!" after Hendry won the frame..
@@jacksprat9209
Thank you! Shrewdness is perhaps my best asset.
Fun fact: broke lads slip was inserted into his pocket by a certain Hon Jiggins.
@@scienceevolves4417 😂😂😂😂😂 Hon Jiggins. I wonder who that could possibly be 🤔😂👍🏻
@@ScottyBugler2005 Probably a new Chinese player...
A quality bunch of replies 😁😁😁
'Steven Lee - a man struggling for form in the last 4 games.' Yes indeed... Watching this game you wonder who is actually trying to throw the frame....
Absolutely!! I don't want to keep hearing about betting patterns. Fair enough, but this Hendry performance seems more than "off" to me.
Hendry looks like he wanted to throw it away
The 2 of them should have been banned for the pain this frame caused the viewing public even Eddie Charlton was quicker than this
It was a poor game of snooker by both players. It was difficult to work out which player was trying to lose the game at times.
Gotta feel for Lee really, all he’s got to do is let hendry get in and clear up? Easy he thinks, 7x world champ should only need one crack at the whip. Instead hendry chucks in the worst frame of his life 🤣🤣
Ask Stephen if you could because Stephen figured that out (lee-being-sold) and he just wanted to see for himself and eventually exposing it to the extent for the authorities to* catch/punish lee up. :))
And oh, whole doing so; also makin sure the crowd and everyone else (people online) just assumes that stephen is only missing the balls.. ;)
@@haseebjabbar8515 I think as a coincidence Hendry was payed to throw the first frame as well. That's why it shows so much.
11 minutes in - Stephen Lee spent ages trying to work out how the hell to convincingly fail to take advantage of a red over the pocket, all the others lined up perfectly, and pink and black on their spots. I'm not sure if he intended to go in off, or just to run into the red and lose position, but he must have been cursing his luck when Hendry gifted him such an opportunity the one bloody time he was trying to lose against him. 😂
Hendry played like a man with no arms! What match were you watching? He missed several easy balls for someone of his quality and the red ended up woefully short on what should have been gimme safety shots. The yellow to green shot was hit too hard putting way past where any competent player would have had an easy shot on the brown to get a snooker.In comparison he looked like a novice having an extremely bad day.
@@RTGrain that is the point. Hendry seemed to know what Lee was up to and did his best to set up all those easy shots that Lee promptly mucked up.
@@RTGrain It's obvious: they were BOTH payed to throw the first frame.
There's so much match fixing going on, sooner or later something like this would happen.
@@topneorej bollocks mate. Complete and utter bollocks.
@@topneorej Except you don't pot the frame winning ball if you're trying to lose it. They would still be playing if they were both trying to lose it😂
2 Ebdons would finish this match sooner
😆😆
If I got money for playing bad, I would atleast be a millionaire by now. My highest break is 9
🤣🤣🤣
2 red and 1 black i guess
Huh noob, I am lucky if I get a red in
That's just showing off
At least your honest
Stephen Lee was staying in a condominium block in Bangkok above my friend's restaurant. He was there for a week or two and was regularly at the bar. He'd put on a lot of weight, this was about 2017/18. There was a story in the press about him being kicked out of somewhere, possibly HK or China, for running a snooker school whilst banned from doing so. Very quiet, I never saw him speak to anyone except the staff.
Okay, any points you're trying to make?
@@amoldivo What he's trying to say is that he once got Margaret Thatchers sisters autograph while on holiday in Blackpool !
@@AA-69 while campaigning for the Labour candidate.
@@AA-69 C’mon now. He is just tryin to share a story about a disgraced z-list celebrity. It could be legit. If he would have said Stephen Lee was in Bangkok running a human trafficking ring, then I’d question it.
@@amoldivo what an asinine comment
Watching that I have to conclude every frame I've seen played at the Legion is fixed as well.
The foreign legion?
You won't be able to notice anything unusual in the frame but the betting activity online plays the main role in rising suspicions and getting players caught. Just like the most recent with 'Yu De Lu' and 'Cao Yupeng'
@Be smart My comment was for those dumb people who look for a noticeable weird play or misses from guilty players. You are another type of dumb i forgot about 😂
At 16:00 , Hendry safety was a shocker ... Lee missed a sitter with the rest then 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Stephen Hendry played poorly and Stpn Lee need snooker to win so who has cheated hear?
The reason lee kept missing was because he wanted the frame over as he was fucking starving, bless him.
Commentators saying at the start all the top players have massively dipped in form i think they all was throwing games for a spell and when more tournaments came they stopped as could earn money winning
This reminds me of the Malcom in the middle episode where Francis and Spangler both try to lose the pool game. Hendry played horrible, made it hard for Lee to lose the frame, allthough it really doesn't seem like Lee tries to fix it.
12:03 If he did that on purpose he deserves an award, not a ban.
yep ,,,,only if lots of money on the first frame would make you think it was a fix ,Henry looked more like he was not playing to standard.
@@191246mann1 Even the commentators can tell something is off. They keep mentioning how bad this game is and how sloppy Lee was playing.
Both players should have been banned based on this frame, Lee for cheating and Hendry for being plain bad!
@@191246mann1 Hendry was trying to lose too, but he was (a) Smart enough to keep it subtle, (b) smart enough to realize that Lee was trying to lose (c) Smart enough to bail - knowing that to keep trying to lose would spiral the game in ever more ridiculous shots (d) smart enough to play badly enough to force Lee to play so badly as to arose suspicion, but not so badly as to arouse suspicion on himself
@@plasmaastronaut very small number watching it must have been really a treat to watch live.
Can we all just appreciate how stephen (lee) manages to glide around the table like a Thanksgiving turkey.
With plenty of stuffing.
@@spacesherifflightning1555 😂
Heard he lost a bit of weight porking your bird 😂😂
@@rayfinkle2805 😂
was a bit of a porker in those days wasnt he
Not sure how you could say ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ that Lee deliberately lost that frame. In the entire frame the only time I was in Any way suspicious was when he played an optimistic pot on the brown (when he needed a snooker) and there was a potential snooker available for him to play.
Trust it was fixed
Lee played a "safety" that was perfectly on a red early on, if you only saw "beyond reasonable doubt" when the colors were played, then you are rather beyond help.
It's not just the snooker. The betting numbers convicted him aswell.
Then what about Kyren Wilson accidentally potting two balls successively when he needed both balls for snookers? Lol
Did you guys notice the amount of stinkers Hendry played? Wouldn't it be funny if they were BOTH payed to throw the first frame?😆
I know it's late, but as a service to everyone: click the 3 dots in the corner and select at least 1.5 speed. You can thank me after!
For some reason i started watching it at 2x and yet i felt the need for more playback speed😂🙆♂️
You just changed my life 🤯
@@nishantsheth3637 they sound Irish at 2x hahahhaa
I watched a s u said hehehheeh
@@nishantsheth3637 niceeee 1..i never knew this.. Coool
Not sure I could say anyone was trying to lose here. Did they have much evidence on him? I remember seeing Higgins on a video clearly being paid 300k to lose frames... Why wasn't he suspended indefinitely? Weird set of events.
Yes totally agree,all bolox !!!
Higgins never got paid and admitted the meeting to authorities!!!
If they admitted Higgins was match fixing then they would have to admit that snooker is rotten, if a world champion and one of the top players of the last 20 years could do it then everyone else is capable.
@@Lousy_BastardRonnie fixed all of his wc finals
I know of others, can't prove anything now because the people concerned are long retired and those that knew all details are no longer with us. Snooker isn't the most difficult sport to rig though.
"Hendry couldn't hit that brown to save his life" Well Lee will set up the perfect shot for him and concede. But if we're banning him Higgins should be too.
As I understand it, Higgins never actually followed through on the throwing talks. Probably why he's still playing.
Higgins didnt rig any matches he was coerced by some bastard reporters he never said he would just that it was possible .
@@michaelgarbett7656 Not only did he agree to do it but he even explained how easy it is to rig a match like he had done it before. Maybe watch the whole thing?
@@DyingToLive310 I heard his testimony about it and he was scared of these russian sounding gentlemen so he may have agreed but he didnt actually do it he just wanted them gone .And if they thought he had he would be banned like Lee
@@michaelgarbett7656 Ask yourself why the reporters were there with cameras in the first place ,they must have got an idea Higgins was up to match fixing ,someone tipped them Off .Higgins is a chest and should have been banned at least 5 years ,Stephen Lee was the scape goat ,nothing really in that frame to iffy I dint think .
Being as Hendry was lucky with the final red it is hard to tell how this was fixed.
No fix
How anyone can watch this frame and say 100% Lee was cheating has a better eye then I do. They both had a poor frame. All I can say is there must be some behind the scenes evidence to proof beyond doubt it was thrown on purpose. I have seen many a player including o sulivan, Hendry, trump and so on miss easy shots
He was more convincing than Mark King id give him that. The billiard in off was a good one.
We know he cheated. But he's not the only one to have done it, but he certainly paid the price for it.
I'm sure Ronnie and Hendry did it at one point
Lee is a scapegoat
@@OtakuLogan2017 lol. Why would Ronnie do that? Winning is a much better career move.
@@KarlHamilton££££ takes over winning
It was hard to tell which player was the one trying to lose it?
I’m wondering the same, why has nobody answered this??
Maybe the guy who was banned for 12 years lol Stephen Lee
This is one of my favourite snooker videos. I would like someone to do a voiceover with the thoughts in pastie-boy's head as Hendry fucks up the simplest of shots and gifting him easy opportunities.
My thought aswell, only how hilarious would it be if they were BOTH payed to throw the frame and you would hear both of them cursing.
@@topneorej I think Hendry smells a rat early and makes it really obvious that the big man is throwing the frame.
@@jedross2136 Yet risking to be blamed of frame throwing himself too? If Hendry would have come out to the press about this, it would be different.
@@topneorej I'd say the tippedy-top players have no need for match-fixing but then I think about John Higgins....
@@jedross2136 The more money you have, the more you need
Plot twist, it was Hendry that bribed Lee to throw the fame, then played badly to mess with him, at the end Lee is saying to himself "come on Stephen man, pot the brown already, its getting a bit obvious now" 😂
I see absolutlely no evidence that this was a “fixed frame” thrown by Lee. If anything Hendry played the worse shots. I think Lee was fitted up by the snooker authorities because his face didn’t fit, or maybe he was too fat for the image of the game.
If that’s the case, watch your back Mark Allen
Pmsl
I agree.
@@alanhodges8839 Me too.
Remember the pressure Lee was under here, if he dosent throw the frame he loses his knee caps in the morning.
Pauline Walnuts would never do such a thing my friend.
34:23 ... Commentator seems suspicious
I cant see how anyone could say beyond reasonable doubt that the game was fixed.
The pros are better at detecting suspicious choices and shots than you or I, plus they combine it with weird betting activity. Despite all that, people should realize that just because someone is 'found guilty' does not mean they are guilty. We are not omniscient gods, and the courts can always make mistakes. As very unlikely as that is. A lot of people treat the courts like some kind of verdict from God himself. Like if someone is found guilty they are 100% guilty and if found innocent 100% innocent.
Betting Patterns! Why is that so difficult for so many of you to understand?
@@Michael-cz6ob people bet money on games that aren't thrown too ya know
@@dhirajpallin2572 Yes I know that. The big difference is these greedy match fixing fraudsters will bet very high amounts of money on certain frames either in one lump or many smaller bets and they'll win everytime. When an investigation looks into it and sees certain frames being bet on by so much more money than what they usually would and they keep on winning then it starts to get very suspicious. So then they'll look at the footage of these matches and go from there
After watching basically every snooker tournament on tv for the last 20+ years i honestly can say i've seen hundreds of more suspicious frames. This, of course, has nothing to do with Lee being innocent or guilty
Lee was suspected after 2 different bookies reported suspicious betting patterns on 2 separate occasions involving him.
I think two differend bookies payed Lee and Hendry to throw the first frame.
Totally agree ..ive seen Higgins and white make this look like a masterclass
I miss Stephen Lee play in the Uk Tournaments.
The in-off at 12:05 was hardly "a bad mistake" as Willie Thorne (the commentator) suggested. It was, actually, really unlucky and, up until that point, Stephen Lee had done nothing wrong. Just a couple of bad contacts (kicks), plus blue, pink, and black had been out of commission ensuring break-building was well nigh impossible (unless your name is Rocket Ronnie, of course!). Just feel Stephen Lee was harshly treated in all the match-fixing accusations.
I thought Hendry was doing his best to throw the frame too
It was the ridiculously large bets that were placed by Lee's friends and associates that was the telling factor! Why they didn't just bet on him to win instead🙈 can't get done for match fixing then can you🤔😝🤑
If Steven was that good to be able to go in off and play the plant then he would win everything! That was bad luck, or good luck if you're trying to lose the frame🤔 Either way it wasn't intentional!
I agree, I've never been convinced of his 'guilt'.
I felt the commentators were being very harsh with their assessment of lee , considering S. Hendry missed some sitters according to his high standards, I know anyone can win anyone on any given day, but to say lee lost that one purpose, it’s ludicrous
lee was smiling when the white went down, he was thinking that was brillant because i couldn't do that if i tried and it looks good when trying to throw a game professionally.
Stephen Hendry played poorly and Stpn Lee need snooker to win so who has cheated hear?
I bet Lee never thought it would be that difficult to lose a frame, he was probably bricking it as well
Every minute it drags on for is another bead of sweat for the big fella haha
probably more difficult than you think .....his manner and over acting when missing was a giveaway
Does not seem like any of the Stephens wanted to win that frame. Lee takes so much time to assure to make good safeties - walking around the table a few times, it looks suspicious.
I think it looked more like Hendry was trying to throw the frame. He missed several shots that would have been very easy for him at that time...
Both were. That's why it shows so much.
I was expecting something far more blatant!
Guessing you didn't see him fiddle with his balls
Looks pretty blatant to me.
MAGUIRE v J burnett..EVERYONE IN GLASGOW KNEW THE RESULT, A WEEK BEFORE THE MATCH.. fact
Henry knew Lee was match-fixing so he was missing on purpose too LMAO
I so hope thats true 😂
Isnt this around the time Willie Thorne was losing his house cos of gambling addiction? Imagine the irony if Willie had money on this game.
Who were the ‘snooker experts’ who found Stephe Lee guilty? And on what specific evidence?
The bookies reported him. That's what did for him.
Something I saw a few years ago had me questioning the matchfixing allegations. Although bets were made on an opponent, they were regarded as an insurance policy against losing i.e. the bet on the opponent winning would have yielded far less money than actually winning it himself. Of course it must be outlawed because it's too difficult to police, but it's easy to see how a player can justify it so long as a winning bet would yield far less than winning the game.
When stephen lee is allowed back and he misses balls, they will think he's at it again. Too much pressure.
I thought the fat man was banned for life?
@@Revolver1981 No he can come back when he's 50,if there's any point that is.
@@thelyingscotsman7993 48
The most damning evidence against him , I believe , was when he got to the
" snooker required " stage . He ( LEE ) didn't dare lay hendry in a snooker for fear of being presented with a reasonably easy finish which he may very well have perceived as being far to obvious to miss . Also his 4 or 5 attempts at a snooker at this stage were very feeble indeed considering the position of the colours and the relatively low pressure given with it being the first frame .
Online betting activity is the only factor contibuting towards rising suspicions and getting players caught otherwise you can't notice the difference.
@@roughtough4452 Which is why when you match fix, You do it against players of reasonable ability. Only problem here was Hendry was playing so poorly. That Lee was verging on having to play outrageously bad shots to gift him the frame
Mitjitsu n
Mitjitsu n
@@Mitjitsu hendry was fixing the frame also
Its the first frame of the match...neither player has obviously settled...some of the balls Henry missed you'd think he was fixing the frame...just an ordinary first frame for me...we've all had them
Couldn't agree more. Me and the old man always treat the first frame as a warm up, then the competition starts.
Shame for Lee, that the bookmakers got suspicious about the bets being laid.
I have watched this frame several times and Hendry plays SO badly by his standards, it’s as if he KNOWS Lee has to lose this frame and is saying “Go on then - make it absolutely obvious what is going on…”
Or Hendry was also payed to throw the first frame.
@ 29 minutes I think Stephen knew something was not right, Lee's attempt at a snooker was appalling.
Steven Lee u was amazing I don't know wat u was going through but plz get bk we need someone to test Ronnie come bk mate plz
Steve Jones i too know what a talent he was but the draconian 12year ban with NO remission has as planned wrecked his snooker career.
I don't know about this. A lot of pots that lee played that wobbled in the jaws and came out, you quite regularly see top players missing them by a lot more. Plus you would be more likely to do hendry for match fixing when you see the quality of his shots.
Maybe they were both payed to throw the frame.😏
@@topneorej Hendry played this one suspiciously badly too, but nobody came after him for it. Always viewed this frame as two people trying very hard to lose.
The fact is that this video is not the evidence of any cheat.
Which player is trying to intentionally lose the frame? Lee or Hendry? Watched the whole thing still not sure who should be banned.
Why can’t I see where this frame was fixed 🤷🏻♂️
People make mistakes in their life, it would be nice to be a saint but in many peoples lives they make decisions that for one reason or another they probably wish they could take back. He is serving his punishment and has to Live with it.
@Paul Goodier he got 12 year ban
@Paul Goodier it was definitely premeditated, but just think of all the drug cheats in athletics, swimming, cycling the cheats in cricket, horse racing, the list goes on. They would never get 12 years I’m not saying it’s fair or not fair I’m just saying that some times people make wrong choices and I would always like to give people a second chance when others in other sports get second chances
It looks like Hendry didn't want Lee to lose. Did he know what Lee was doing ????
Hendry has such experience he & others at the top level, could detect deliberate misses or feigned disappointments after shots etc , plus would know the games of opponents etc. I suppose the first match frame is easy to have a ‘bad technique’ frame though as easier to explain away as nerves or being ‘cold’. I’d like to think Hendry knew and made it as uncomfortable as possible for Lee . Shame as Lee has great technique but equally bad-acting when he misses a shot !🙂
@@keiththompson2172 so why didn't Henry say anything after the game ? Knowing about a crime and doing nothing is still bad
@@thisisstupid6524 it’s not a crime to throw a match . It will get you banned though.
I could be totally wrong, but top sportsmen know what’s happening- they have to.
Also I’m sure agents and others will advise their players accordingly.
Stephen is a professional. I don’t know if he said anything or didn’t, clearly someone did …
Love the fact that Stephen Lee had the word "Prosperity" on his waistcoat.
@Christopher Jennings So whiter than white Christopher if someone offered to pay your mortgage off and all you had to do is throw a game of snooker I guess you would say no in a heartbeat even if you were surrounded by people you believed were the russian mafia and if you say no your likely to get a good ass kicking?
20.01 in this clip was the exact point I realised that Stephen Lee was wearing bell bottom flares.
Wonder how much money he took for wearing those? 😀
This is evidence of Lee trying to throw a frame? If you told me a player was suspected of trying to throw this frame, for sure I would've said Hendry(which I'm 99.5% sure is a preposterous notion.) A few loose shots at the end from Lee are miniscule compared to the number of bizarre bad shots from Hendry.
Hendry was a crap player at this point.
It was the betting patterns that sunk him,not just how he played in this match,the money in his wifes account etc that caused them to look into this. Had there been no suspicious betting then they never would have accused him just on the way he played
Must be annoying in a frame you want to lose your opponent keeps missing easy shots
He did well to get that white in off the other red 😂😂
Still trying to figure out which player wanted to lose it more though 😆
I'm trying to figure out which player took the bung as they both looked like they were intentionally trying to lose that frame!
Jesus I bet this game is still being played now.
Hendry wasn't making it easy for lee to cheat lol
exactly 😂😂
Hendry was trying to lose the game too, but he's skillful and gumptious inuf to keep it subtle. When he realized Lee was also trying to lose, he bailed on his fix, knowing that the shots would get ever more ridiculous and cause Lee to get caught and banned.
@@plasmaastronaut Shut up you fool. Fat man Stephen Lee was the only one cheating. Hendry had no idea.
Lee's ban actually ends in 2024 so he could realisticdlly make a comeback if he wanted. He is a gifted player who was making enough money without getting involved in match fixing. I guess you can never have enough for some people.
Ask Higgins, and he got away with it!
@@polaris7122 Yeah can't blame the Chinese for doing it. Higgins did it and had the right friends, got away with a small slap.
Ban for life for him and all the Chinese players, we don't need them corrupting our sport
Looks more like Hendry wanted to lose the frame
Big time
Stephen Lee is a class player it's such a shame he was banned from the game
No it was right he was banned from the game play fair or go home you make a choice.
@@richardbool4232 I said it was a shame not that it wasn't right !!!!
and john higgins get to walk free!!snakey jock
Higgins was banned.
Its who you know I guess.
Higgins wasn't banned for match fixing. The snakey tabloid edited and stitched him up after his interview. Higgins was cleared of match fixing but banned for failing to report the illegal approach made to him. Get yer facts right, paddy.
@@TekkerzOOT He was banned for failing to report, but he was filmed shaking hands on a deal reportedly worth £260k in Kiev for a betting syndicate in exchange for losing frames. Being an ex world champion I can see why the authorities might have been more lenient due to the damage it would have caused to snooker with him being so high profile.
@@1972dsrai The video was edited a million different ways. After authorities viewed the whole (unedited) video, they found John to be innocent of match fixing.
I think you could've even accused Henry going by the balls missed and poor positional play
Who in their ever loving right mind would place a bet, giving the expected odds on such an endeavour, on Hendry not winning a frame! I must have lost the plot on this one I'm afraid. I need help. HELP!!!!!
I can't see anything 'questionable' about this frame at all, and I've been watching snooker for 45 years. Ridiculous what they did to Stephen Lee - can only assume there's some evidence they've not made public, or (more likely) someone at WS had it in for him for some reason. Either way, we have been unfairly robbed of a talent.
Yes, no evidence apart from the huge bets placed on Hendry winning the first frame - if you do watch snooker and you’re not being sarcastic then you seriously need to sharpen up
@@davidbridges7033 That just sounds circumstantial. Was there ever anything concrete that linked the bets to Stephen Lee? Because there was next to nothing in that frame that suggests that Lee set out to lose it on purpose.
@@StockportJambo sorry I thought you might be being sarcastic. The evidence was compelling. They looked at 8 frames where uncharacteristically huge bets had been placed on him losing particular frames and every time there was clear evidence of him playing shots that were unusually bad at moments where the frame was in the balance. The QC who considered the appeal commented that the betting activity in relation to his shots in these frames meant he was in no doubt this was a case of spot fixing
It doesn't matter, because in this level of betting, everyone bets alot, and Henry was definitely favourite right?! So it's very natural that the majority would bet for Hendry, making it betting for Lee to lose...? So either way, it's still natural betting, regardless of he did match fixing or not... Unless there are evidences like the tape which John Higgins was involved... If the bet was live and started after or when the game was ongoing, then there's no way he could've suddenly chose to lose (because he wouldn't have known and it wouldn't affect the match anyway)... If the bet was made before it, then it also won't matter, since the majority would vote for Hendry anyway, unless, a big guy who initially supported Lee changed side to Hendry's, which I don't think was possible either, normally you can't cancel your bet right? Lol so anyway, it didn't involve Lee in any way, even if it did, it didn't matter, unless there were proofs, well at least I didn't see it in this frame...
@@amoldivo Hmmmm…can you explain in a bit more detail? I’m not sure what you mean.
Maybe hendry knew what Lee was up to and just messed with him for the hell of it
I was wondering the same thing.
He was smart In that he potted well. He didn't miss intentionally. That would have looked suspicious. Instead he made poor positional shots like when the commentator said that was careless after potting the red and poor safety shots
The force wasn't with him tho
12 year ban shame John Higgins didn’t get the same
5/11/20
I'm glad yt recommend this vid🖤
Lee has the type of face that is easily readable. Facebook.
Those "attempted" snookers on the brown were criminal,literally.
and what did lee do wrong to fix the frame?
How is it Higgins got away Scott free and Lee has had to retire from game.
Because Higgins didnt throw a game merely said it could be done but he never did it otherwise he would havebeen banned .He was tricked into saying this by some bastard reporters who decide to try and fuck someones life up as they have nothing better to do .
@@michaelgarbett7656 Same wee man that run out of the taxi he was in and shouted to the driver""your getting fuck all"" classy guy
@@user-ep6nv6nv1k I wouldn't believe everything you read in the papers. Apparently John was that fucked he fell asleep when the taxi journey was only a couple of mins up the road. John was so fucked but managed to outrun a boy in his cab, aye, good one. Seems to me the cabbie is a daft Hun who thought he could make a few quid by lying to the press.
Looks to me like Stephen Hendry was the one fixing the game
looks more like Hendry fixed the match.
Fair-Shout 👍
Lee wasn’t banned solely on the basis of this one game, he was alleged to have been involved in multiple fixed games, 6 or 7 from memory against multiple different players.
That is true but there was nothing particularly concrete other than inconsistency, should we ban all players for missing a shot or 3
@@m4rkscott Wrong! Betting houses noted the irregular patterns!
@@pedrom1619 that's not evidence in any way whatsoever , you wouldn't get convicted of murder on evidence so week
@@m4rkscott He was cheating, and the betting houses knew it, so get over it.
@@pedrom1619 Are there any other snooker players that have actually been proven and admitted guilt but have been treated massively better and now forgotten about ? . I am over it, i couldn't give a shit but double standards are wrong no matter what
It's embarrassing for Hendry struggling to win a game that is being thrown.
When hendry pots the double at 28:00 Lee picks up his towel and wipes all the sweat from off his face thinking thank fuck for that
Is the ref even thinking at 11:25 'come on, get on with it?!'
Thinking back Lee must now think day and night how much money he could've made by today only if he hadn't fixed a few sloppy frames and earn a 12-year ban
why was hendry playing so wrecklessly was he involved too?
Yes definitely,to cover lee he had to be reckless. You see many of us now saying they both couldn't play on that table..but it wouldn't have changed the end result..
Not reckless Stephen was an attacking player
I dont see how they would have known he was cheating in this frame. Hendry really messed up more than lee did. How did they find out he was cheating?
thats the plan..
people think like you..
Because the money went straight to his wife's account. Plus it wasn't an isolated incident. Lee used to often snatch defeat from the jaws of victory so probably thought nobody would know the difference
Guys, the comment asked about how the authority caught him for fixing the match, and your answers were....... Idk...? Irrelevant????
Half way through the first game of 17, neither player at his best. Some of Hendrie's shots weren't very well received by the commentators. But they didn't suspect any match fixing at that point. Let's see how the frame evolves.
I suspect that the WPBSA were alerted about the betting patterns and had a word with Hendry to play badly. Same with Peter Francisco's match when Jimmy White played appallingly but still won 10-2, just as the betting predicted.
Ste Gra the 10 2 jimmy white result aroused loads of people suspicions,quite rightly.
I'm probably just missing the point here. How is this game fixed? Can someone explain it to me. That's quite an accusation which could be wrong.
I think there was lots of money on the betting, so this frame was scrutinized as a result
I think it became more obvious toward the end, when he had several chances to snooker the brown. Especially the shot at 34:55 was completely wreckless. I've never seen a professional snooker player do that.
@@RockyDave Stephen Hendry also had 3 relatively easy attempts to pot the brown the he just shot out without looking like he was trying. I'd say Hendry looked equally as guilty.
Think it's fairly clear that Lee had enough weight behind the shot
I feel Stephen Lee was made a scapegoat as he's not the only player to have been involved in match fixing . Taking his lively hood of him was not right ,the poor guy has to make a living . Bring back Stephen Lee soon .
Totally agree he was severely punished compared to others (Higgins).This was a bad frame neither player had settled down on what looked like very fast beize!.Fantastic cue action on his day needs to come back into the sport.
@@tonyashton780 yeah Tony he was hard done by . And I agree a beautiful cue action it's a shame he's no longer involved ,although I think he still does coaching .
He runs snooker schools in China so yeah really hard done to and Higgins didn't do the act got set up and was naive enough to accept money for losing a frame if you watch the footage he was completely uncomfortable with the whole thing but listened to his manager instead of just walking off Stephen Lee did the act and took the money Higgins did neither
@@alexsharpe6760 Why did he get banned then if so innocent
@@alexsharpe6760 higgins looked more comfy on the video than he does at a snooker table.
I could watch this guy all day
Now, everyone is sherlock holmes
He didn't apply deductive reasoning.
lol @ OP.👍
Micromanage.... Just because one knows the outcome doesn't make one a professional
Haha
2 Years for the cheating, 10 years for the trousers :-)
Looks like Hendry was more a culprit than Lee
No evidence of match fixing whatsoever in this frame, the commentators were projecting that onto Stephen Lee right from the beginning.