31:50 I don’t know why but this made me laugh so hard. I noticed the old score about a min prior, but then Artosis commenting about it randomly later caught me off guard. Too funny.
Just wanted to say thanks for all you do Arty. I haven't played SC in many, many years, yet I watch almost all the stuff you put out on UA-cam. Maybe it's the Xan but I just felt extra thankful tonight to get my daily dose of Starcraft
Hi man ! CAn u give advice - I turned on scbw remaster for the first time in several years and it produces 30+ fps even in retro mode in single company. wtf ? pc- ryzen 5 5600x + rtx3070
I love the zoom out to show the muta's sharking about around 9:00. That gave me such a good look at them trying to find a way in. Love this feature of remastered and hope you use it more often.
Today I learned something new about the Archon. Look at the time 12:40 If I'm correct: The scourge is so fast that the archon that attacks them, did not kill them, but rather killed other scourge that unlucikly were there when the attack made its effect . On the Archon's second attack, you can notice that it didn't kill the scourge. It's probably a little delay between starting the attack and when the damage actually occurs. During that little delay, the soucrge is getting far and because of that does not receive full damage.
Great game! Something for Yoo-n, something for Qmee-n =) I don't think we did find that infected shuttle (definitely primary target, secondary would be corsair imo), toggling to zerg's player view would make finding where to box select quicker in the future. When people realize it forces the burden of a significant, multi-response decision that only has downside, I think we'll start seeing a queen anytime a zerg plays ZvP or ZvZ, especially on island maps.
Hi man ! CAn u give advice - I turned on scbw remaster for the first time in several years and it produces 30+ fps even in retro mode in single company. wtf ? pc- ryzen 5 5600x + rtx3070
Those templar drops were sick. I actually didn't even know there was a counter at all till you pointed it out. I usually get annoyed the player names are sometimes random throwaway accounts like IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII or something so I stopped looking at UI.
That's literally any Protoss or Terran game vZ You always look like you're about to win until you realize actually you were losing the eco game the whole time
Wow.... what a game. I can't help but cry Zerg OP but still such a great game from both player. It's so hard to play PvZ at that level... Dewalt is one of the greatest.
In terms of map tactics, it felt weird that neither P nor Z destroyed the assimilators to the Z main after the Z expo was breached. (E.g. P had opportunities to do so at 16:15 and 22:30.) Surely leaving the assimilator route open favors one player, so the other player should shut off this route?
Scouts would totally be the Guardian counter, if the (1) didn't need an expensive upgrade to outrun Scourge (2) that upgrade didn't need a super expensive building to make (3) Scouts themselves weren't super expensive
I wonder when it becomes worthwhile to get shields instead of armor. Usually armor is better, because the hydras and lings will be hitting hull a lot more than shields (since units have more HP than shields, have base armor, and zealots reduce explosive damage to HP by half). So you get a lot more damage reduction via armor upgrades. They're also cheaper: 175/175 for armor lvl 2 vs 200/200 for shields lvl 1. I assume shield upgrades only make more sense if you have a significant air force, or a ton of archons, or if for some reason you really need to level up your cannons, or some combination of the three. But none of that really applied this game, so shields over armor seems weird.
@@dj_koen1265 I guess another thing is that if your units tend to take damage and then disengage, you can use the same unit in multiple fights, with the shields regenerating. So they might actually end up having more shields than HP. And in that case, shield upgrades could be better.
D Web is criminally under used on island maps like Troy! Had Dewalt researched it before doom dropping an island base, it would have been a fairly easy win.
Spoiler am I crazy or was not taking that island base right next to his main a major mistake from dewalt? I feel like with the amount of storm drops he did was it really too much to spare 10 seconds to set up a nexus there?
Gg Spoilers. This is the sort of game that leads me to thinking hyper upgrade 3 nexus rush with templar dark and light spam, SHOULD be a part of the Protoss tool kit. Lots of the earlymid-mid-midlate phase of the game spent waffling and dithering around.
DeWalt played very well for such a janky memeworthy map. They really need to stop using this goofy map though. Arty said it himself that zerg don't even care if the assimilators get killed.
That I've watched that Ultra game like 2 or 3 times, that was fucking magical. I really want to see more ZvPs that are like that even if it isn't exactly uh... optimal?
Man. tough lose for Dewalt. would be cool to see d-web + carriers if the zerg made a bunch of islands. dark swarm? who cares. hydras can't shoot. kill all the buildings and move on. That's a big investment i guess. I wonder why Dewalt didn't take the island to the west of his main and the 12:00 then you can kind of float there and defend drops maybe. I dunno. I play terran so not my favourite map. TvP cross spawn 2 gate=auto lose.
seriously that double darkswarm drop is just all kinds of disgusting .. i mean aside from storm and zealots how else are you supposed to counter that? ... don´t get me started with terran ...
27:22 "... but there is an archon in here so he is going to be able to.... well you can see that two cracklings kill an archon under dark swarm, so..." ZERG IS SOOOOO OVERPOWERED!! Early game aggression, mid game aggression, late game spells that basically make your units invincible! Mutas which can pretty much end the game of a player doing ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING right, etc.
Parasite Archons seems like a good move. Protoss have just 2 options to counter the parasite, send the unit away from the army or kill it. A less valuable unit, like a zelot, yeah, just kill it, or send it away..... but, will you kill an archon? ... it's too critical of a unit, and protoss absolutely want that unit in the army. Seems like protoss either lose a very powerful unity in this matchup, or reveals it's army position at all times..... though call.
The commentary is terrible. I think you need to pay more attention to the minimap, you miss a lot of the small battles. And don't zoom in, it doesn't make any sense.
I'm still surprised there isn't an ai that can trash most players. Just by virtue of not needing to split it's attention span I'd think a bot would have a decent advantage, like look at stockfish with chess, it's already beyond any human players abilities and that's without any machine learning cuz it got beaten down by the ML algorithms.
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Hi all! CAn u give advice - I turned on scbw remaster for the first time in several years and it produces 30+ fps even in retro mode in single company. wtf ? pc- ryzen 5 5600x + rtx3070 win10
Dark archon? For what maelstrom? It's100 energy, so you only get like 2 the whole game. It's better to just get 5 or so sairs and you can continuously use them the whole game for scouting and catching overlords and zoning.
@@ObeliskM Yeah... I think getting an additional 3-4 sairs was the right call for dewalt. You can continuously use them to scout and kill overlords too. Cuz like if the Gaurds are spread out you waste literally 2 dts worth, plus the upgrade for maelstrom, plus at max you can only cast it twice. The reason why vs Muta it's so good is because they CLUMP up. Gaurdians Do not clump up :)
The Ruin v Scan counter in the Dewalt v Yoon matchup is pretty funny. Thanks for the cast!
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Didn't work for me, top comment for me was about the winner but you're doing God's work. Bless you friend
Wtf how are you this cool
I've just recently started watching SC1 content, and so far, any game with Dewalt has been super interesting and exciting.
31:50 I don’t know why but this made me laugh so hard. I noticed the old score about a min prior, but then Artosis commenting about it randomly later caught me off guard. Too funny.
29:45 crab spin :3
Haha what's going on there?
I came to the commentaries only to see if someone pointed it out lmao
@@essenceofsuchness patrol, probably.
Just wanted to say thanks for all you do Arty. I haven't played SC in many, many years, yet I watch almost all the stuff you put out on UA-cam. Maybe it's the Xan but I just felt extra thankful tonight to get my daily dose of Starcraft
Hi man ! CAn u give advice - I turned on scbw remaster for the first time in several years and it produces 30+ fps even in retro mode in single company. wtf ? pc- ryzen 5 5600x + rtx3070
I love the zoom out to show the muta's sharking about around 9:00. That gave me such a good look at them trying to find a way in. Love this feature of remastered and hope you use it more often.
Love the fact that the Guardians look like the battleships of Shadows from Babylon 5.
Lol I remember being like 10 and thinking the same thing back in the day
That's almost certainly where the Guardian's art design comes from.
There's a lot of hidden Babylon 5 homages in this game.
My soul YEARNS for the rest of the series! RT such a tease to only publish one game....
Yeah seeing Dewalt playing like this such a good fight. On a different map this might had been a win for him.
Today I learned something new about the Archon.
Look at the time 12:40
If I'm correct:
The scourge is so fast that the archon that attacks them, did not kill them, but rather killed other scourge that unlucikly were there when the attack made its effect . On the Archon's second attack, you can notice that it didn't kill the scourge. It's probably a little delay between starting the attack and when the damage actually occurs. During that little delay, the soucrge is getting far and because of that does not receive full damage.
I love this game! It's so exciting to see a game that's really different
Great game! Something for Yoo-n, something for Qmee-n =)
I don't think we did find that infected shuttle (definitely primary target, secondary would be corsair imo), toggling to zerg's player view would make finding where to box select quicker in the future. When people realize it forces the burden of a significant, multi-response decision that only has downside, I think we'll start seeing a queen anytime a zerg plays ZvP or ZvZ, especially on island maps.
Dewalt not taking his own island base the entire game was such a weird decision. I don't understand his expansion choices at all.
Thanks for the fast uploads!
Very impressed with Scan's zerg play here
О, Беляев! Я просто обязан посмотреть!❤
This gonna be another banger! Only 10 seconds in posting this comment so I'm excited to see how it plays out between these 2.
"You don't do anything for me at all." - Artosis to fans
Dewalt played so well on this tournament. He even beat a couple of guys who were on ASL and is the only non korean players in top8
I'm surprised he lost. He played like a terran player.
yeah he is beast, at this rate he will be in ASL a year from now
Saber is chinese, technically non-korean
Dwight is doing better and better
nice spoiler!
I watch Dewalt on twitch sometimes. He seems chill.
When I saw him going mass Corsair at the end, I thought for a second that we might actually be seeing disruption web
Hi man ! CAn u give advice - I turned on scbw remaster for the first time in several years and it produces 30+ fps even in retro mode in single company. wtf ? pc- ryzen 5 5600x + rtx3070
Even Arty can’t resist spoiling :(
what a amazing game!
Not skipping ads for arty
Sick game, epic cast! Give us other games ArtyxD
know its a shitty map, but it opened a very interesting and different game. Super nice!
Off topic, but i appreciate Arty pronouncing XiaoShuai correctly this time.
Nice intense fighting game, i hate troy but love the asymmetry it delivers. it's truly a struggle out here.
Those templar drops were sick. I actually didn't even know there was a counter at all till you pointed it out.
I usually get annoyed the player names are sometimes random throwaway accounts like IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII or something so I stopped looking at UI.
Man heartbreaking for dewalt, so many times it felt like he could have taken this game
That's literally any Protoss or Terran game vZ
You always look like you're about to win until you realize actually you were losing the eco game the whole time
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Wow.... what a game. I can't help but cry Zerg OP but still such a great game from both player. It's so hard to play PvZ at that level... Dewalt is one of the greatest.
What a game 1. This is why I support Dewalt.
Yoon bringing back a pre-brood war strat because the situation called for it is hard to not like
Guardian ZvP is like VANILLA starcraft type stuff
My favorite part was when Scan used his Psistorms.
In terms of map tactics, it felt weird that neither P nor Z destroyed the assimilators to the Z main after the Z expo was breached. (E.g. P had opportunities to do so at 16:15 and 22:30.) Surely leaving the assimilator route open favors one player, so the other player should shut off this route?
I had the same thought.
I think P should have, but kept the wishful desire to bomb in 'soon' but soon never came?
unique game largely due to the map. i actually really like this map for that very reason
why do i never see disruption web? it seems like it would be helpful ?
Scouts would totally be the Guardian counter, if the (1) didn't need an expensive upgrade to outrun Scourge (2) that upgrade didn't need a super expensive building to make (3) Scouts themselves weren't super expensive
Awesome game
the plot thickens
Why didnt dewalt take the island bases?
crazy game
Good use of Guardians, a group of 10 would be more effective to kill off the base quicker.
Do you think recall could have worked this game?
Are these games replayed from when Artosis was actively commentating or are these 2024 tournament?
These are current games.
Can't toss make assimilators to unblock the expansions?
no
I wonder when it becomes worthwhile to get shields instead of armor. Usually armor is better, because the hydras and lings will be hitting hull a lot more than shields (since units have more HP than shields, have base armor, and zealots reduce explosive damage to HP by half). So you get a lot more damage reduction via armor upgrades. They're also cheaper: 175/175 for armor lvl 2 vs 200/200 for shields lvl 1.
I assume shield upgrades only make more sense if you have a significant air force, or a ton of archons, or if for some reason you really need to level up your cannons, or some combination of the three. But none of that really applied this game, so shields over armor seems weird.
good for archons and against plague
@@dj_koen1265 I guess another thing is that if your units tend to take damage and then disengage, you can use the same unit in multiple fights, with the shields regenerating. So they might actually end up having more shields than HP. And in that case, shield upgrades could be better.
SOULKEY V SNOW WAS "PRETTY GOOD" TOO?!
hahaha
20 years have passed and they still haven´t nerfed that HT storm...
D Web is criminally under used on island maps like Troy! Had Dewalt researched it before doom dropping an island base, it would have been a fairly easy win.
Idk about fairly easy... more like incredibly difficult but slightly possible to use D web with reaver / HT Shuttle
I think if Zergs start to go Guardians, maybe we could see Scouts at some point? I'll keep dreaming
hell ya cnsl baby
Couldn't you have hidden Dewalt's vision to see only Yoon's vision to spot the unit that was parasite'd?
I expected to hear arty yell at DeWalt for not creating a proxy 2 gate on troy!
S P O I L E R / W A L L
Aka noob blocker
Scan is so good he 2-1'd people he's not even playing
crazy
Spoiler
am I crazy or was not taking that island base right next to his main a major mistake from dewalt? I feel like with the amount of storm drops he did was it really too much to spare 10 seconds to set up a nexus there?
Had the same thought, feels like it could have made a big difference if he had done it in the first half of the match.
Nice game..
gg
@6:26 commando ling 😂
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Love DeWalt, but he got out played
ggs
Gg
Spoilers.
This is the sort of game that leads me to thinking hyper upgrade 3 nexus rush with templar dark and light spam, SHOULD be a part of the Protoss tool kit. Lots of the earlymid-mid-midlate phase of the game spent waffling and dithering around.
15:49 / 32:47
:)
It's too bad that Troy is such an issue TvP, because it certainly does force some interesting ideas in other matchups.
Can't protoss just build new Assimilators?
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DeWalt played very well for such a janky memeworthy map. They really need to stop using this goofy map though. Arty said it himself that zerg don't even care if the assimilators get killed.
That I've watched that Ultra game like 2 or 3 times, that was fucking magical. I really want to see more ZvPs that are like that even if it isn't exactly uh... optimal?
Guardians get destroyed by templar.
Psi storm is op
Man. tough lose for Dewalt. would be cool to see d-web + carriers if the zerg made a bunch of islands. dark swarm? who cares. hydras can't shoot. kill all the buildings and move on. That's a big investment i guess. I wonder why Dewalt didn't take the island to the west of his main and the 12:00 then you can kind of float there and defend drops maybe. I dunno. I play terran so not my favourite map. TvP cross spawn 2 gate=auto lose.
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seriously that double darkswarm drop is just all kinds of disgusting .. i mean aside from storm and zealots how else are you supposed to counter that?
... don´t get me started with terran ...
27:22 "... but there is an archon in here so he is going to be able to.... well you can see that two cracklings kill an archon under dark swarm, so..."
ZERG IS SOOOOO OVERPOWERED!! Early game aggression, mid game aggression, late game spells that basically make your units invincible! Mutas which can pretty much end the game of a player doing ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING right, etc.
When I realized 4 upgraded lings could trounce an upgraded zealot. Yup.
That map is so stupid
A pity Dewalt eventually lost series. Looks like he is still not good enough to beat good korean pros.
Ruined
Parasite Archons seems like a good move. Protoss have just 2 options to counter the parasite, send the unit away from the army or kill it.
A less valuable unit, like a zelot, yeah, just kill it, or send it away..... but, will you kill an archon? ... it's too critical of a unit, and protoss absolutely want that unit in the army.
Seems like protoss either lose a very powerful unity in this matchup, or reveals it's army position at all times..... though call.
Drop that archon on drones. In shuttle parasite does not work right?
The commentary is terrible. I think you need to pay more attention to the minimap, you miss a lot of the small battles. And don't zoom in, it doesn't make any sense.
I think I just watch brood war matches in the hopes to see Protoss players lose.
PROOOOOOOOOTOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I'm still surprised there isn't an ai that can trash most players. Just by virtue of not needing to split it's attention span I'd think a bot would have a decent advantage, like look at stockfish with chess, it's already beyond any human players abilities and that's without any machine learning cuz it got beaten down by the ML algorithms.
Starcraft is a much much much more complex game than chess. Just teaching an AI how to micro goons is uh, a big ask.
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Yes, Yoon won. I'm happy as a Zerg player. Does the map layout helps? Yeah, that top left base never got touched.
Troy is still a shit map.
Such a garbage map.
Ruin 1, Scan 2, Arty gay
When you say "russian" you make mistake in word "terroris"
First!!
First
Fist
I'd love to see Feedback or Mind Control against those drops, but I guess it isn't viable at all?
Hi all! CAn u give advice - I turned on scbw remaster for the first time in several years and it produces 30+ fps even in retro mode in single company. wtf ? pc- ryzen 5 5600x + rtx3070 win10
😂prot.noob... Wasting res on anything but the true nemesis of guardians... Le dark archon❤
Dark archon? For what maelstrom? It's100 energy, so you only get like 2 the whole game. It's better to just get 5 or so sairs and you can continuously use them the whole game for scouting and catching overlords and zoning.
You are one who is noob. Dark archon counters mutalisks, not guardians.
@@ObeliskM Yeah... I think getting an additional 3-4 sairs was the right call for dewalt. You can continuously use them to scout and kill overlords too. Cuz like if the Gaurds are spread out you waste literally 2 dts worth, plus the upgrade for maelstrom, plus at max you can only cast it twice. The reason why vs Muta it's so good is because they CLUMP up. Gaurdians Do not clump up :)
gg