Is Gaza REALLY Occupied? - Eric Weinstein
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- 💥Join us on our Journey to 1 Million Subscribers💥 Eric Weinstein explains why the Arabs are not under occupation in Gaza.
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two group of white guys fighting ...
one group of white guys chases another group of white guys out of europe ...
rememeber europe is their motehrland by birth right ...
meanwhile ... that one group of white guy from europe as mother land .. comes to arab land ..
and claims ... god gave land to his people ... (when god gave covenant to the chosen people... did he give it to particular people /race..)
also can a indigenious european albeit jewish ... can he really claim a land in arabia as his forefathers land ...
And Weinstein reveals himself to be an intellectual child.
Blaming Hamas for Israel's attacks and absolving Israeli with language like "dance with death".
Apartheid is a war crime, inalienably. It's children for children at this point and the Israelis are child killers number 1.
Eric be like "nahhh, look how malicious these child deaths are. Ours are totally kosher."
Sorry, I'll take the killer taking blood on their hands and sandles over the video gaming drone shooting army teenager. And call them both terrorist genocidal killers, along with the US.
Is this guy even good at math?
God no.
What's the one thing that a billionaire and a homeless man have in common? They both only have 24 hours in one day. Don't waste the most invaluable thing anyone has... time.
Don't bother....
They say nothing enlightening, but rather disgust me every other sentence.
There's literally no compassion for the people having war crimes committed on them.
Just "terrorism = bad" excuses
@@MattAngiono exactly. Pseudointellectuals that have nothing of value to say.
Zero criticism of Israel on this channel?
Not occupied but only one side has authority over what comes in and out over land , air and sea. Hmmm.
And the one side is called Hamas
@@Fab92-s6x I'm old enough to remember the same nonsense was said about the PLO before hamas ever existed. What you have is what people call selective memory. The PLO had long proposed a 2 state solution which Israel was never interested in for 2 reasons: 1) security concerns 2) zionist extremists (many of whom backed by zionists and evangelists in the US) want control and sovereignty over all of Palestinian territories (as evidenced by countless settlements surrounding Palestinian towns and cities making a 2 state solution impossible today). These are of course against international law but why should we give a rats ass about internation law or the UN.... the same body that proposed a state of Israel. What is tiresome of this debate is that there is no symmetry in negotiations: One side is powerful and is backed by the empire, and the other has little to no negotiation power. One side is the occupier and oppressor and has all the power.... that is all we need to know.
@@Zeidinho of course Israel has security concerns I can totally understand: A Palestinian state means a state with military power. Palestinians will never accept a state without the destruction of Israel and a genocide they would take into account (From the river to the sea....); so they would compromise but the maingoal is the end of Zionism. The funny thing is Israel offered a Palestinian state 9 times and everytime Palestinians answered with terror because in these offerings Jews still would have an own state. Israel shows a reaching hand for peace, Palestine answers with blood. Israel had to much patience with the Palestinians and their ingratitude and now Palestinians pay a huge price for that
Gaza has a population of 2.2 million, receives vastly more foreign aid per person than any part of the planet, and Hamas has a standing full time army of over 40,000 men.
This means that they have an army half the size of the UK, yet only have a population 3% of the size.
If you want to understand where all the foreign aid money is going, that would be a good place to start.
I'll say it:
*The aid money goes into the pockets of corrupt people.*
There you go.
#Truth
how do we make sure it goes to the right people?
@@notanonymous3976 I am not an expert on international aid distribution but I know one system that works: if the receiving party cannot prove that the aid is going to the right people, it gets docked by that amount. Rinse and repeat.
Its like in Somalia. If the warlords keep confiscating the food aid and selling it, you stop sending it.
@@TheWtfnonamez my local China shop is under control of a mafia, they had people kidnapped for ransom and they have to pay protection money. but i still buy from them as they are more desperate for financing and they still offer good prices. should i stop?
The cement has been used to buil tunnels.
It's amazing how people are enjoying this while he is saying things that isn't just so wrong but also without laying down any historical facts, I guess fan bois enjoying being fan bois, now lemme tell you why he is extremely wrong
People of Gaza have ZERO CONTROL of their water, food, electricity, fuel, sea, and air they CANT enter or leave Gaza(except a fraction of them are allowed to work in Israel with a fraction of dollar) even cancer patients can't leave to get treatment outside, how the hell this isn't an open air prison? How this isn't a disgusting occupation? How people of the west bank are literally get kicked out of there homes to let settlers to live in and yet this is not an occupation???
The only time that Palestinian got a real offer is in 1947, when the British promised the Palestinian to give them their own independence, and then said you know what? Let's give the Jews 56% of the land and you only take 44%, do you really can't see why they refused to get that offer????? Imagine Chinese come to live in the US then the UN come along and say let's end the conflict by giving the Chinese half of the US land, like WTF, all the the "offers" that followed this weren't real offers in the most generous one Palestine would not have control of THEIR OWN BORDERS FOR 20 YEARS, AND YET YOU EXPECT ANYONE TO AGREE TO THEM
Please if you aren't knowledgeable about a subject shut the fukup
Thanks for saying this. This is one area where the normal curious conservatives just let fact checking slide.
This should be top comment. 👍
You live in an echo chamber, hearing propaganda from the arab world and you think you are knowledgeable... you are just repeating the lies you were told.
The Palestinian workers got at least the Israeli legal minimum wage (the same minimum wage as applies to Israelis) and more based on their jobs. The minimum wage in the Palestinian Territories is 1,880 Israeli Shekel per month. The average monthly wages of Palestinians working in Israel range between 5,500 and 6,000 shekels, including people in part-time jobs. The better-qualified workers among them easily cross the 10,000-shekel threshold.
Palestinians come to Israel every day to get special medical treatments and there are cancer patients from Gaza who are still (during the war) being treated in Israel. Israel doesn't control the water, electricity, and food in Gaza.... Israel has been providing Gaza with water (only 13% comes from Israel) and electricity (only 50% comes from Israel) as aid, for free. The "control" was only in the form of inspection of what comes in to prevent weapons smuggling, but there was no limit on commodities.
All the offers to the Palestinians had limited border control at the start because the Palestinians had been violent for decades and declared they wanted all of the land of Israel since 1947 when they started the war. The limitations were to prevent weapons from getting in and being used against Israel (AGAIN). This is just as West Germany was forbidden from having a standing army after the end of World War II.
Even your view on the offer in 1947 is propaganda. The Jews got 55% of what? The general region of today’s Israel, West Bank, the Gaza Strip, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon were all part of one entity originally known as Esh-Sham or the Levant.
"Palestine" was supposed to be one of the countries that were the end result of the partition of the Levant, not the original entity that was partitioned.
The Arabs got control of most of the Levant but were mad that the Jews got control of ANY land (refused ANY land partition), so they fought with the League of Nations who eventfully decided to split "Palestine" between the Jews and the local Arabs. Even after this ADDITIONAL partition, they started a war.
The Arabs who lived in the territory that became Israel were invited to be part of Israel as equal citizens (20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs and have equal rights). The current Palestinians are those who lived in what became the Palestinian territories or refused to accept Israel and fought/left during the war.
what about egypt? why are they not letting them out?
Land given by the brits should be proportional and ensure the Arabs have minority parties
Guess what, they have
For the allegory you said, if said Chinese came to the US legally and bought US land legally and they wanted to have a state of their own in said lands separate from you while also having minority parties having significant power. Then yes, what's wrong with agreeing with it?
the 56% is not unfair, if you look at the map, 1/3 of that 50% is actually desert.
so in fact, they only got 37% of the usable land
Egypt/Jordan already controlled the West Bank/Gaza
The Palestinian authority/Hamas already control West Bank/Gaza
Fun fact, if Arabs accepted the 1948 deal, their land borders would be larger than the borders they had from 1948-1960s. and less restrictions for all 3 Abrahamic religions to visit the Temple Mount. Easier access to do excavations since it's a UN entity that is focused on peace/science rather than religion. Blame the Nakba on the Arab League who chose war instead of land/citizen swaps/negotiation
Weird, after 1948, no calls for a Palestinian state in Jordan/Egypt
It's as if Palestine identity is politically made to destroy a legitimate state rather than a real/natural state.
"People of Gaza have ZERO CONTROL of their water, food, electricity, fuel, sea"
Literally forgot to mention why.
They have no water cuz Hamas used BILLIONS worth of pipes (contributed by EU, a Western "Imperialist") to be converted as rockets
If Hamas didn't send rockets/attacks. Then Israel would allow more workers/pipes/trade. They don't allow trade/very strict with water/transportation of people, hmmm I wonder Why?
Okay, tell me
What do Palestinians want, 1948 borders?
or River to the sea?
What kind of river to the sea? One state solution? or One-state, 1 ethno-nationalist group that doesn't allow 2/3 Abrahamic Religions in the Temple Mount (Just like Jordan)
Settlers on West Bank on the other hand. Yeah I agree. Israel should ban all settlers/"immigration"
or at least restrict it with the Palestinian authority regulating what amount/kind of "immigrants" are allowed to settle
so much BS coming out from his mouth, he can proudly say that he has 2 AHs
it is amazing how many people is in total denial of genocide in Palestine.... i just dont get are those people stupid or evil?
Offensive and stupid title. I've heard Eric's argument many times before: "Israel offered them a state. They rejected it. They don't want a state; they want us all dead. You can't negotiate with them. They are monsters/addled by religion/hate, etc." Eric cannot simply wave away international law because he thinks the Palestinians should have accepted the not-very-attractive "state" Israel offered, while it carried on annexing Palestinian land. The unavoidable facts are that the Palestinians are the rightful owners of land that is occupied by Israel, Israel is in violation of international law, and the fates of Israel and the Palestinians are bound together. If Israel wants peace and security more than it wants to take all the land, which appears doubtful, it will have to make an offer that is actually attractive to the other side -- just like in any negotiation.
Everyone knows Palestinians will only accept an own state WITHOUT a Jewish State. They had their chances and now they should face the consequences for their bloodthirsty ingratitude towards Israel
Exactly this guy is just another establishment hack
If theyre not occupied, what's with the checkpoints? I get the principle of what hes arguing but that doesn't change the reality on the ground
The checkpoints are a border point, what is so hard to understand about these ? Just like all countries have borders. Its not a right to enter Israel, its a priviledge just like its the same to enter the USA. You think there is no backstory to these border points or the wall in Gaza or the wall surrounding Israel. They are a protection against terror - car rammers, people who stab Jews randonmly, people who blow themselves up ie the intifada 20 years ago. They have every right to protect themselves. Gaza was wall free in 2005. It was erected to stop maniacs walk across the border screaming AA with AXES in their hands. Its just sooo simple to understand and I have no skin in the game whatsoever.
Gaza is an open air prison, surrounded by Israeli walls and military. The people in Gaza were forcibly moved there by Israel from their ancestral lands.
I love Weinstein in the world of physics and logical thinking . But I do see biases in the ppl that speak on this topic I watch almost on a daily basis . Shapiro . Weinstein . Peterson . Etc .
Shapiro is a chicken hawk. Always has been.
What does JP have to say about this conflict?
Eric's point is ALWAYS that everyone else is talking about the wrong thing.
This perspective assumes the modern state of Israel had a right to be created where other people were already living for a long time.
This is crazy to say Gaza is not occupied.
Because you are allergic to facts?
Yeah, it is, by Hamas.
@@JordanFreshourby israel. a country can decide if water, electricity and food will go to gaza but somehow gaza isnt occupied. its free. thats why people there cant even leave the place without israel's permission. mfs killed 33000 people and still blind, deaf, western idiots parrot israeli lies.
"All animals are equal but some are more equal than others." (Animal Farm - George Orwell)
FYI talmudic juden think anyone outside of their group is less than an animal and they are the only 'Adamu' (humans), and everything else is their slave to serve them.
Leftism in a teacup
Hence, factory farms
The Hamas leader denied that there had been any attack on Israeli civilians even though the terrorists themselves posted their activities on social media of their own body cameras shooting passing cars on the road and shooting into and burning houses..
Yeah, they just got through the iron dome with no resistance from the IDF... Even ex IDF say that is suspicious.
@@g3nj1 ?? Got what through the Iron Dome?
What is suspicious about a few missiles getting through - no system is 100% effective.
Do you actually know what it is?
That's because literally every Israeli has to join the IDF...
It's a stretch for sure, but when you're locked into a prison and break out, what is to be expected?
Why are people partying next to an open air prison/ concentration camp?
A bit disgusting to begin with.
Many Israelis are incredible racist against Palestinians...
They say to just kill them all out in the open....
Those videos are all over.
There's also Israelis that say the truth, that these people deserve human rights and Israel is conjuring war crimes, but they are hated by the racists even MORE than the Arabs
@@g3nj1dude the iron dome protects from missile/rocket attacks, and was fully functioning and woke up most central-southern Israel, as huge barrage of those was fired as decoy op. One survivor of music festival told that they were crammed in concrete anti-missile shelter (apparently, in this area, it's a police requirement to have those due to vicinity to the border) - and Hamas threw in several hand grenades and shot the people there, himself survived only by being buried under bodies of others.
@@ivans3806 IDF propaganda
Anyone else tired of gaslighting? How stupid does Eric think we are?
sam is a smug idiot
Very stupid.
What a Spin Master! .
Listen to Pappe for accuracy please
Since he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, it's a safe bet he thinks everyone else is dumber than he is
You've got to imagine that *NOT EVERYONE IS EXACTLY AS SMART AS YOU ARE.*
If you manage to make that first thep, then you can also imagine that maybe explaining something to someone else could make sense, *EVEN IF YOU YOURSELF ALREADY UNDERSTAND IT.*
That's no gaslighting, the more appropriate word for it would be *teaching,* or maybe a *lecture,* a *speech,* an *interview,* an *opinion,* a *premise,* a *clarification,* a *summary,* an *explanation,* a *briefing,* an *introduction,* and so forth...
“If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.”
―Golda Meir
"i don't believe this is an occupied people ..... " your right, it is one of the biggest open-air prisons on the planet next to North Korea..... your moral compass is so off that its a wonder you will be able to find your way home after this interview ...
Dang, another “intellectual” to take off my listening list.
keep going and you'll end up with a list of "intellectuals" with shit for brains lol. Do send a copy to me so I know who I don't have to waste my time with.
Bye.
I’ve learnt to not give much weight to a jewish or muslim person’s view on this subject. They are too emotionally invested (understandably) and biased. The left and right divide in opinion is also very interesting.
They are out there - Gideon Levy, Gabor Mate.
Usually, but not always.
@@doscojones6404 I LOVE Gabor Mate!! 🕊 ❤️
The left/right divide is always very interesting. 10 years after it is always easy to that the right is 100% wrong and the (non-authoritarian) left is 100% right. Every time.
@@giordanobruno2509 Things change with time. Success breeds arrogance and that’s what’s happening with left currently. People on left are so much into moral high ground that they can’t see the obvious shortcomings of what they are supporting.
Eric is right: we are having a dishonest conversation in the west about what's actually happening.
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I don't believe he's having an honest conversation either!
That’s just d west. Everything is corrupted, especially information, history, geopolitics. Because u guys don’t want hard facts. It’s all propoganda
@@MattAngiono If you ever did a better job of it, people would be lining up to kiss your arse and beg you to say hi to Jesus for them.
You are having a dishonest conversation in the US- this issue is not Hamas but the hundred years that came before they arose …
If Palestine is not occupied, why does not Israel retreat into 1948's borders?
Because Israel won the war Arabs have started. See , it is that simple.
If ducks can float, why are ducks not baloons?
@@dogbert52 Ah, a zionist.
well they retreated unilaterally from Gaza 20 years ago, displacing 9000 Israelis living there at the time, but it didn't turn out too well for their national security, did it?...Who's to say if they retreated from the West Bank, it wouldn't also be turned into a terrorist state controlled by the likes of Hamas?? Also, not even the Palestinians in the West Bank are 'occupied'. They are ruled over by the Palestinian Authority. Only Jewish settlements fall under Israeli rule.
@@alexmch-s4651 So sweet from Israel. But you know that those "settlements" are on occupied land, right?
I watched the full video where Eric continually trips over his ego.
I think he's definitely struggling with an ego problem here - basically telling people that they aren't welcome to have a conversation because they're too sheltered from 'reality'. I'm just not sure how he expects people to swallow the condescension.
@@waylanddavick9459 ‘Intellectual’ masturbation and bloody-mindedness.
@@waylanddavick9459 "anything that doesn't agree with my reality isn't reality." pretty closed minded and ego driven if you ask me.
(Just to be clear, that is my take on mr. Weinsteingoldburg)
@@waylanddavick9459 I'm not sure he does, but that doesn't make him wrong. I agree that well over 99% of Americans are woefully unprepared to have any kind of intricate discussion about the worthiness of Islam as a vehicle for societal governance.
Oh he says nothing intelligible let alone that rises to the level of self-assured grandiosity his posturing conveys. He’s a blowhard.
The chant “from the river to the sea” reminds me of the first verse of the German hymn that has been banned in 1945 by the American allies. It contains the lyrics “Von der Maas bis an die Memel, Von der Etsch bis an den Belt” which has been interpreted as revisionist, with national borders being “generously” moved into foreign territory. Whoever chants “from the river to the sea” is either ignorant or has Israel’s destruction in mind.
The latter
Yet the British can still sing "Britannia rules the waves", because to the victor goes the gloating anthem. And they manage to sing that with a straight face.
@roncarlin3209 You obviously have no idea what that song is really about. It was written at a time when slavery was commonly practised, as it had been all around the world, and throughout history. The British, through its Navy, who had won control of the seas, had begun a process of stamping out slavery, not only within those territories it controlled, but also throughout the world. And facing much opposition, especially from Africans, who had been buying and selling human beings for centuries. "Britons never, never shall be slaves", is celebrating the fact that this country had looked to ensure that the possibility of slavery was ended for Brits, and, hopefully, for everyone. Sorry if the facts don't suit your narrative.
@@christinerussell113 If the Germans had won, they would have had to change the lyrics to "Britannia rules no waves".
@@roncarlin3209 But they didn't. Are you perhaps wishing they had?
What and when where the Oslo Accords ? Who signed them ? Who assassinated the Israeli prime minister for signing them ? Who then took over from Rabin and was / is he for or against the Oslo Accords ? Who is it that doesn't want two states ? I believe Netanyahu also used " from the rivers to the sea " for the state of Israel .
All these things are written in history and recorded.
Meanwhile in the West... Protestors in the US and UK chanting "From the River to the Sea" are expressing the exact same ideal as the protestors in Australia chanting "Gas the Jews," just re-worded to not offend the delicate sensibilities of people who aren't willing or able to think about what those chants actually _mean._
There’s no occupation in Gaza since 2005. When people say “but Gaza is blockaded” - this means the borders are closed. 3/4 borders are with Israel and 1/4 is with Egypt. Neither country is willing to have an open border with Gaza, because of the extreme violence coming from there. They made their bed, and they’ve been lying in it for 18 years. Or 75 years even, when you come to think of it.
Why was epSTEIN invited to tour israeli military bases AFTER being convicted of trafficking children? This has NOTHING to do with the West and EVERYTHING to do with the talumd. FUCK PERDUE
Wrong. Since in June 2007, Israel imposed an air, sea, and land blockade. Israel restricts the kinds of goods that go in and out of Gaza. Gazans require permission from the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories to leave, and that is granted under rare circumstances. Blockades aren't asked for. They are imposed. And the one on Gaza is collective punishment imposed by Israel: the occupying power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.
who is occupyang Gaza? And have ever asked yourself why is there a blockade? It is not that black&white :( @@saolesaole
@@saolesaole they are blockaded because they want to murder all jews. If mexico was acting the same way Mexico would be blockaded.
@@saolesaole
"Since in June 2007, Israel imposed an air, sea, and land blockade"
I wonder why they did that. Could second intifada be the reason for it? Rocket launches m.b.?
"Blockades aren't asked for."
you are asking for a blockade when you perform rocket launches.
"the occupying power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory"
Gaza is not occupied.
"Israel restricts"
wait - I thought you've said "blockade".
btw. What holds an Egypt from removing the blockade?
also. Where do you stand on gay rights?
Sam, I have long been a fan, but use the damn coaster so your glass doesn't ruin the finish on the table.
😂 The savage
Gaza are absolutely occupied.
Love the editing, especially the last 3 seconds ;) .... award winning perfection.
I disagree with what you said here
Dumbest interview Ive seen in ages. Convenient how he's left out that Israel created Hamas to weaken support for Arafat and divide Palestinians. Gotta love white Europeans who think theyre entitled to ever expanding Middle Eastern land. 🙄🙄 And who created ISIS and AlQueda? Who funded and trained the mujahadeen? 🙄🙄🙄 Islam is complicated? And what of the white supremacist racism based concept of Zionism? 🙄🙄
@@BitcoinBitz well done. Exercise that opinion. We know how much it means to you.
Very well said, this perspective is shared by hundreds of millions of people but never mentioned on TV.
By zionists, most people are for palestine. You low iq israelis are The minority
I don't care if you agree or not, but it's as "well said" as an autistic know-it-all.
This is one of the most disengenous interviews Ive ever watched with of course, very little pushback from the hosts. 1) It would help if Winestein didnt other Palestinians by just calling them Arabs. Do we only call Italians, French, Brits, etc.. "European" when talking about those ethnicities? Give Palestinians the same respect. They are Palestinians and not the same as a Saudi, Lebanese, Iraqi.... Also, anyone knows that the sticking point of all peace talks is the right of return enshrined in UN Resolution 194 passed in 1948 after Palestinians were forced off their land by Zionist terrorist groups like Irgun, Hagganah and Stern Gang. If EUROPEAN Jews could get restitution after WW2, and subsequently take Palestinian land, why cant Palestinians after the Nakba? There has to come a point where Europeans STOP TRANSFERING THEIR GUILT from the EUROPEAN HOLOCAUST to those living in the MIDDLE EAST, who had nothing to do with it.
@@g3nj1 At least he's being authentic, while showing some interesting perspectives.
As in, not being already chewn-through by the mainstream media since time immemorial.
@@susiex6669 Just yesterday I learned about Jew only zones in Palestine also known as "settlements in the West bank" and that there are Jew only highways there. And the whole Palestine is divided by them. My jaw dropped yesterday from getting to know this and I still can't pick it up.
This man speaks the truth. We are getting a carefully controlled over simplified narrative.
*ORANGE MAN BAD* 😡
He's a hasbarist. He wouldnt know truth if it hit him in the middle of his wide forehead.
Maybe yes, or, maybe not. However, these 5 minutes of Eric are what he commonly feeds the public ... where he contends that there is no sense in discussing the topic at hand because no one --- except him, of course --- knows and understands sufficiently the comprehensive context; where, further, he asserts, everyone is deceived ... again, that is, everyone except him. "Blah blah blah ... and blah some more," says Eric. [Yes, Eric is very "smart", but, this tragic flaw is his Achilles. IOW: in the end, typically, he makes himself very much to be the blowhard, the insufferable bore.
@@CuyanaTGen He's a full fledged eejit of epic proportions and can only debate with sympathizers and like minded people. Anyone who knows the region, their history and facts would tear down Harris and Weinstein in ten minutes flat which is why there are no pro Palestinians on that ridiculous pannel. Id love Sam Harris to explain to me why all Islamists got their start being funded by the West or our ally Saudi Arabia, whether it be the mujahadeen which morphed in to Al Qaeda/Taliban or ISIS. Hamas was created by Israel to weaken support for SECULAR Arafat and divide Palestinians. And its not like the Israelis didnt know what Hamas, an off shoot of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood was. Oh, but no, its not that Western govts and their allies play divide and conquer, its Islam. I guess the biggest wealth transfer in human history, from the working and middle class to the ultra rich, which happened during Covid, was also the fault of Islam. I guess American senators owning stocks in the military industrial complex is also Islam's fault. You know, prophet Mohamed is on the board of Ratheon. 🙄🙄 What a pannel of dummies.
@@CuyanaTGen Would you not agree that we are all being deceived, including Eric?
I understand hating people for being smartasses, but you don't have to 100% dismiss what they say, just for the sake of it.
If he is (partially) correct, that's at least something.
Better than listening to mainstream lies exclusively, perhaps.
The History of the imaginary Palestinian state:
1. Before Israel there was a British Mandate, not a Palestinian state
2. Before the British Mandate, it was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state
3. Before the Ottoman Empire Was the Islamic State of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state
4. Before the Islamic State of the Mamluks from Egypt, the Arab-Kurdish Empire was the Ayyubid, not a Palestinian state
5. Before the Ayyubid Empire was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem was the Umayyad and Fatimid empire, not a Palestinian state
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, the Byzantine Empire was not a Palestinian state
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were Sassanids, not a Palestinian state
9. Before the Sassanid Empire was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state
10. Before the Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state
11. Before the Roman Empire it was a Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state
12. Before the Hasmonean state was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state
13. Before the Seleucid Empire was the Empire of Alexander, not a Palestinian state
14. Before Alexander's empire it was the Persian Empire, not a Palestinian state
15. Before the Persian Empire was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state
16. Before the Babylonian Empire were the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state
17. Before the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was no kingdom of Israel in the kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state
18. Before the Kingdom of Israel, the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel was not a Palestinian state
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an accumulation of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state
20. In fact, in this plot of land kingdoms fell and fell .. But there was never a Palestinian state or a people
(Copied from someone else's comment)
But they are a people they do exist. I don't see how this gives any credence to another people taking what they have.
Exactly! Wish I could share this!
@@devanman7920they are mostly arabs, former subjects of the Ottoman Empire. They are a mix of people, some were there for generations and many others migrated there coming from other places. As a distinguishable people they're a creation from 1964 and now - yes - we can say they are a people: a people born from the rejection of Israel and the presence of any jew in that land they claim as theirs.
@@Camarelli from places that don't want them back.
None of them have been there as long as the people of Judea
I used to think your channel offered some relief from the woke agenda, but instead its lts like another version of FOX. What purpose do you serve by being as one sided as the legacy media?
Kanye said it
It is no more complicated than what Eurpean immigrants did to the native American population.
idk man, locking up an area and controlling its water supply for years sounds pretty occupied to me
They've gotten billions and billions in international aide. They could have built their own water supply, instead they built rockets from water pipes. They destroyed greenhouses, instead of using them for profit.
@@charlesmuhmanson3928 You think it's free? How cute.
*Water, electricity & fuel.
@@charlesmuhmanson3928 And you realize if Israel didn't allow Gaza et al to have water and power - because Israel controls decisions on their infrastructure - then the world would really easily be able to see they're all prisoners, but that'd be another too obvious war crime that the propagandists couldn't easily cover up and sell to their blind ideological mob following.
They’ve had plenty of chance to desalinate their own water or get utilities from egypt
3 men of Jewish heritage debate Israel/ Palestine.
Sounds like it’s not going to be biased at all
Using all that intellect to not see the injustice of ethnic supremacy and apartheid.
Israel isn't apartheid. You're just a moron.
It's not occupied in the sense that a prison with guards only on the outside isn't a prison. Be for real.
@AM-ne3go it's hilarious until you realize the atrocities actually taking place because of this view
Thank you for pointing out the reality here
Hamas built the prison and are the guards.
When Weinstein was talking about Vietnam, I remembered one night in the early '70s where the evening news for a moment showed a pile of body parts- heads, arms, legs, torsos - in Saigon that they were gonna burn as a bonfire.
Yeah, but he didn't get it right about the execution photo or the napalmed child, both were done by South Vietnam, not Americans.
punji traps and all
Did he mention the declassified CIA document about how the gulf of Tonkin incident was a false flag to get American support for the war in the first place? History repeats itself.
@@nuqwestr America was supplying the napalm. But he said ‘shown on our news” not that we did it.
@@nuqwestrThey had napalm ?
All the same people in the room who condemned Rus for invading Uke are now sitting, listening to this and nodding their heads. Like "yeah we can understand that".
So why is Israel being charged w genocide then?
Because they're committing one. Guys from triggernometry should have stayed comedians. This is too difficult for them.
And we still haven’t heard the other side’s perspective
Have you been living in solitary isolation?
@govangirl3897 u know!!
Ifr the borders of the USA were controlled by the Chinese, and the Chinese were building settlements inside the USA, I think most people would accept that as evidence of "occupation". And in Gaza, it isn't just the land borders. Israel also controls Gazans access to the sea. No one in or out without their say so.
You are funny. You talk as if Israel illegally stole a fully sovereign nation. Nope they were just lands owned by Jordan and Egypt that were won by Israel in yom Kippur war. Remember land won fair and square by a legal war. By war convention Israel does own the land. Also Jordan and Egypt have given the land over to Israel officially and signed peace treaties.
Now the Arabs can jump up and down and stomp their feet and say the land belongs to them. Nope it doesn’t.
By international law and war conventions, Israel owns all of the land it owns and it can choose to do what it wants. Which is why no one can even bring this to an international court and make it a case. The judge will throw it out.
Then include Egypt in the "occupiers", because they share a border and do the same thing, not wanting anything to do with the Palestinians.
Also, China does own land in the USA.
Exactly. It doesn't take a genius to see that ... But you did give a great simple example so I'm thinking you're pretty smart.
@@amyb.6368 china owning land in the US is not a good thing and shouldn't even be possible.
@@amyb.6368 Egypt doesn't control sea access to Gaza, nor does it control land border access to Gaza. Or rather it only partially controls land access. It controls access to Egypt from Gaza, but it does not control access to Gaza, nor does Gaza. Access to Gaza is controlled by Israel. China owns land in the USA, but it does not force the USA to sell it land, and force USA citizens to move so they can bulldoze existing housing to build settlements.
There's reason why Arab nations have abandoned the Palestinians. Because they have tried on Palestinians' behalf to resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict and create a state for them. And each and every time, the Palestinians have rejected the offer.
Yeah it's just those Palestinians who are just so gosh darn unable to do anything in their own best interests while the ever encroaching settlements simply don't exist l guess. I blame the victims.
LOL, the Arab states often pushed the Palestinians to reject any offers, their overriding desire is to end Israel as a nation. Fortunately, to date, Israel has had the right and the might to maintain her place, praise God!
@@SofaKingShit the settlements wouldn’t exist if the Palestinians have a sovereign state. Syria, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Jordan have tried to negotiate on their behalf to create a state for them. Because they don’t have a state, the West Bank and the Gaza strip technically are not sovereign territories, they are still in conflict and in dispute. Until they became sovereign territories belonging to their state, they will remain contested. That’s why for decades Jordan wanted the west bank. But each and every time, the Palestinians reject the offer of statehood. They would rather have a chant and die of martyrdom than a nation.
@@SofaKingShit
"I blame the victims."
you feken don key. Settlements are in West Bank. Gaza is in Gaza. There are no settlements in Gaza. The last one was retrieved in 2005.
but even to your twisted logic - this is not an excuse for t3rr0rism.
last time I checked, victims don't launch thousands of rockets on civilians.
last time I checked, victims don't take hostages.
last time I checked, victims don't threaten European countries that gave them a new home.
you feken don key.
even by your own logic and according to your own propaganda - you are pure evil.
@@SofaKingShit They were offered the majority of the land.
I supported the cause for a Palestinian State for years. I had the chance to see videos recorded by Hamas that few people saw. And I must say that I no longer support their cause and I am convinced that there should NOT be a Palestinian State.
Could you elaborate? You mention interesting things
Is it because Hamas are basically Isis?
t. Jew
@@gacek5036 An agricultural worker from Thailand, not a Jew, had his head hacked off with a garden hoe by HMS/Hamas. I saw it too.
Cool story bro.
If Israel is occupying land, who occupied it before Israel conquered it? And why was the previous occupation never a problem to anyone on the planet?
Thank you!
I'm not necessarily pro Palestine, but I think the argument is if China came into the US and took over Texas, why would it make sense to negotiate with them to split the land?
Last time I checked, the Chinese aren't indigenous to Texas.
@@lari5891 I see, I did not know this. But then it just makes it a technicality? People still lived there
@@lari5891 but didn’t the Jewish settlements arrive after the Arabs were already there?
@@Alex-xi3bw some, the arabs got there after Jews and greeks. Most jews were dispersed. Then Jews started buying land much before the establishment of Israel. So they were jewish and arab landowners. They were supposed to respect each other after the establishment of the states
@@Alex-xi3bw It's more complicated than just, "The Palestinians were there first." Israel was the Jewish homeland a long time ago, was conquered by the Romans, who later tossed the Jews out because they caused too much trouble. What follows is a long history of one empire or another "owning" the land, ending with the British in the first half of the 20th century. Some Jews lived there under the British, as did some Muslims.
After WWII, the British kept control of the land. The Zionist movement wanted a Jewish homeland, and they wanted their old land (from 1900 years ago) back. Bear in mind that Jews had not had a homeland since they were dispossessed by the Romans. There was a long, complicated process whereby the "Palestine" issue was decided by the British and ultimately the UN. And yes, the Brits did offer a dual state solution to take into account the non-Jews living there, which was, as lari5891 says, was refused.
It's an interesting question to ask why the Palestinians and the surrounding Arab states didn't try to throw out the infidel British, but did try to do so with the Jews. Probably because they thought they could beat the Jews, or maybe they have some special antipathy to Jews -- as many other groups seem to.
Bill Maher said something interesting last week. "If Hamas laid down its arms, there would be peace. If Israel laid down its arms, there would be no Jews living in the Middle East."
The only sane solution to the issue is two states. If you could get the Jews to leave Palestine, who would give them a state? So, it's more likely the two states would need to be in Palestine. Not going to happen, because sanity is in short supply these days.
I very much enjoy him. But his arrogance gets in the way a little bit. Saying things like this is gonna sound crazy because you’ve never heard anybody say it before makes it sound like we can’t come up with ideas on our own. And people that listen to these longform interviews can definitely come up with ideas on our own. That’s why were here not to learn so much as to remind ourselves that we’re not crazy and our instincts are correct. So I know he’s got the kind of autistic Frankenstein thing going, but tone it down a little. And maybe use 10 words instead of 350 when only 10 are needed. Often times he says so much he says nothing. And I am a huge fan. And I am a flea compared to him intellectually for those who feel the need to attack or defend. But I can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Yeah, but you just gotta let people blab sometimes
He meant you don’t hear his perspective in the media. I think it’s arrogant to tell someone how to express themselves. That’s plain rude. Not everyone has a sort attention span.
Yes, this man is unbelievably arrogant in all subjects.
If you can't get past a person's tone in order to get to the meat of the subject discussed then you're not intelligent enough to get it either way.
Put your fragile ego away and listen to the facts instead of being too offended to listen. That's some faggy leftist trash mentality.
He demonstrates the bigoted and prejudiced attitude of a Jewish Supremacist.
“Those who want to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state should support the strengthening of Hamas and the transfer of money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy, to differentiate between the Palestinians in Gaza and the Palestinians in Judea and Samaria.” -Netanyahu 2019, Likud Party meeting
My heart breaks for the Jews, but past atrocities do not justify the genocide being perpetrated against the Palestinians.
If the Palestinian population was around 700,000 in 1948, and now Gaza alone, not including the west bank, has a population of over 2 million... How is that genocide, exactly?
"Let me just disagree with the general thrust of what you said there" 😂
Loved that line 😂
Oscar winning editing right there!!!
I've never heard a more autistic quote in my life.
An excellent place to stop the video.
Ham Sarris in a nutshell.
Is it me or does Eric Weinstein look like Micheal Myers from Halloween?
I have nothing but the upmost respect for Eric Weinstein but he didn’t have much to contribute in the conversation about Palestine/Israel. It’s like he was avoiding saying anything constructive and was dancing around his bias against Palestinians. I think he knows he has it and doesn’t want to show it too obviously or something
That's just you projecting
@@_Schwartz maybe you could help me understand what his general point was, other than his critique that none of them are fully capable of discussing the conflict adequately since it’s all much more complex and nuanced than what Sam, the trigornometry guys, and Eric are all equipped for.
Because that’s essentially all I could gather from the extremely long winded rhetoric that Eric was espousing. He’s not normally like this from what I’ve seen out of him in other conversations. He’s normally a highly contributing conversationalist and I’m pretty much always extremely impressed with his thoughtfulness, his insight, his intellectual wit, and his capacity to analyze things from incredibly unique and thought provoking perspectives.
But all I was hearing him say was basically that it’s a waste of time talking about the conflict between the Palestinians and the Jews because it’s all way to complicated.
It felt like Eric just kept pushing a non-starter to the conversation and came across a bit like a wet blanket.
But if you’re willing to help me understand what I was missing and help me see through my minds own projections, I’d be profoundly grateful. Even just a super basic/minimal, generalized, cliff notes style summary of what Eric’s point/s were, excluding what I described hearing him say would be so helpful to me!
But if you’re not able to or are simply uninterested in helping me grasp what Eric was saying, that I was missing, then I understand.
It's not occupied, it's been turned into a ghetto, isolated, controlled by land and sea. I really can't imagine why they don't like it 😂
they brought it upon themselves by literally electing a jihadi islamist organization who says they wanna die in jihad and kill as many jews as possible. they elected these people and then Israel and Egypt deny them the ability to gain strength which is fairly reasonable
If you belive what you wrote... what is funny about it? Why the 😂 icon? Or are you willingly lying to promote your agenda?
Agree Arabs turned themselves into ghetto dwellers, when and where have the not turned their lives into shit? Dont blame external forces for Arabs refusal to accept the defeat in so many wars they have waged. The victor will never grant Arabs their wild , imbecilic demands.
40 kilometers of Mediterranean coast, could be a rich paradise, but they teach children hate and violence instead.
And not just by Israel but no one shouting about Egypt or other countries
You need some historians on your cast.
Or some 30 year-olds who can remember things like the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. "World War 3" LOL.
Or someone who can explain it on a pro Palestinian prospective. But why would I expect anything from these guys they finally getting recognition they don't want to be cancelled already
By historians, i would say, a real one aknowledged problems of the past.
My college was so useless back in the 2000s.. I had a friend from Germany who was nice, but he always get reminded by the nazis..
I dunno how i managed to stand up and saying that he wasn't responsible for this, at all.
I just knew how terrible it is to be a scapgoat.
@@mood5598 💯 we’re all being held hostage by a little country in the Middle East (+ the orgs that represent them) that quite literally controls our speech (and therefore, our THOUGHTS 💭).
Yeah this podcast turned into biased propaganda real quick.
one of the best, simplest, most compelling dissertations of on the Islam problem ever produced. Thank you sir!
Why was epSTEIN invited to tour israeli military bases AFTER being convicted of raping minors?
Why do they have to accept anything?....................it used to be fully theirs, before it was stolen.
You probably meant to say "before they attacked Israel from within that land... They have to accept because they started a war and LOST. And no, there wasn't a single Israeli person in those territories when they started it, so guess what - the "occupation" wasn't the reason for the war, it was the arabs wanting to destroy Israel - period. Thank god - they lost, and there is a price to pay for waging war and losing. "Stolen" lmao. Had they accepted the existence of Israel rather than started a war to try and destroy it - there would have never been any occupation. Oh, and btw, the land taken, was taken from Jordan who controlled it back in 1967. There was never a palestinian state there. Curious if you're a hypocrite liar or just ignorant.
"Fully" whose? Arabs'? Jewish minorities had no property rights?
Yeah and before that it was... Israel, "before it was stolen."
@@scramptha5949are u f*cking stupid or what? this is selective ignorance. pull out any map from before 1948. everywhere it says palestine. there was no israel. now dont pull a map from f*cking 3000 years ago showing the kingdom of israel. those children of israel were actual israelites, not these modern israelis of european origin who migrated to palestine and then stole their land and says they have a right to the land just cause they are jews. lol
Two people who have no clue about the conflict asking another two people who have no idea about the conflict to pontificate about the conflict.
Guys, this is propaganda. You need to do better.
Exactly
This clip is highly simplistic, each side has their own story with elements of truth. And the statement that Gaza is not occupied is odd. It’s like saying “I didn’t punch you” after breaking someone’s arm. It’s true, but irrelevant.
It’s only simplistic in your mind. If Islam (Palestine) wanted to coexist it would be fine. What you and others fail to understand is that this is about Islam versus the world. Destroy Israel and then see what happens. Nothing would change. Islam is a backward brain washed dangerously crazy cult.
Yes a smokescreen. Weinstein is not a straight talker to say the least !
Not sure how they work around the fact that Palestinians have been kicked out of their homes at gunpoint, and then Jewish settlers from around the world move on to that land...
How is that not "occupying" the land?
This comment of yours is retarded and fact-free.
It's like saying, "You know that reality-thingy, I'm just going to ignore that!"
Either Gaza is occupied (do you know what that term means, that big word "occupied"?) or it is not.
When it was occupied (by the Israeli military which took it from Egypt in the '67 War -- yeah, it had never been an independent country or part of some Arab nation called "Palestine"), the people of Gaza were NOT living in a totalitarian hell run by the Hamas terrorist organization, where people could be dragged out of their homes into the streets and shot for being "collaborators" without trial.
Israel pulled out of Gaza, forcing its own citizens to leave Gaza, in 2005. It hasn't been occupying it since. In 2006, Gazans voted in Hamas (they haven't had an election since). in 2007, because of repeated rocket attacks and incursions by Hamas into Israel, Israel put up a limited blockade of Gaza's borders (with a fence). It still supplied Gaza with water and electrical power. Food and medicine, etc. were still flowing in; workers who got permits were still driving into Israel to work. Gaza has its own airport and it has harbors ....The blockade is so flimsy that missile parts and other weapons and ammunition were still getting in.
Clearly, the mistake of Israel was to STOP occupying it. Both the Gazan people and Israelis would actually be safer if Israel stayed in and maintained its presence.
I love Eric Weinstein but I don’t agree with his assessment and I don’t have to hear Sam’s to know his.
Eric out of his lane, driving on the wrong side of the highway 😆
What do you expect the zionist to say.
Simplified down: which society do you want to live in? Any Islamic, one or Israel? If you were gay for instance.
Jews hate everybody else and spit on Christians and Arabs so...
Why would you frame the question to only cite a single miniscule percentage of humans? That's extraordinarily short sighted and incredibly biased.
I find it funny how Jews claim this is a holy land when they’re hosting gay parades
@@nathanclaspell6003 Are u saying you would choose Islamic society or you just making farting sound with your brain?
@@nathanclaspell6003would you move to an isl amic state?
I love how in the full talk everyone thinks Eric is giving strange stringed speeches but in clips he’s endlessly praised xD
I noticed that too. Reading the comments before watching the episode I observed a very different Eric than the one described.
Ha, came in to observe this! Eric got savaged in the comments for the main episode, and deservedly so if you ask me. This moment, however, was interesting and certainly stands on its own.
He’s a genius savant except for when he’s insufferable. I love him
When Weinstein mentions (I think) 'read De Beek' at 3:43, does anyone know what book (assuming it is a book) he is referring to?
Dabiq online magazine.
Ah gotcha, thanks@@nealorr5086
Someone above mentioned the Dabiq magazine which makes a lot of sense@@theoafman9068
@@theoafman9068 Would have been much easier to read my comment.
nope wrong delete@@theoafman9068
Guys look at least at the talk with Dan Cohen - A Jewish American man who's lived in Gaza. His perspective like that of Norman Finkelstein's is completely different. He doesn't doesn't call this situation an occupation, he calls it A CONCENTRACTION CAMP. These are the people you should invite or at least check online what they have to say. Not people like Eric who is purposefuly diverting listener's attention from facts to indulge in one of his philosophical disputes. Civilians in Gaza are being slaughtered right now and the West is helping in this. Israel doesn't fight Jihad, they fight Gazanas, Women, Children. They even "fight" Israeli hostages. There are reports of them shooting at Israeli hostages as per "Hannibal's directive". And, we are here listening to the guy whose idea to resolve the conflict was to do exactly the same thing we already have. Jesus Christ. Edit: Abby Martin - a journalist, who also confirms what Dan and Norman are saying could also be a valuable guest. Israel withdrew its troops to the borders with Gaza controlling what comes in and what comes out. How this is still not an occupation?
This channel, having started with legitimate aims, has become worse over time, and it's clear from the majority of the comments section that the audience is largely of a right-wing populist mentality. That was most clear in the Hannah Barnes episode, where the audience clearly wanted the most sensationalised and simplified presentation possible, and rejected Hannah Barne's painstaking efforts to avoid that, and to do proper journalism (her job). Audience capture is a real thing. Konstantin is becoming more puffed-up over time. Sam Harris's reduction of fundamentalist religious ideas to 'code' is an unsophisticated argument by analogy. Instead, a proper treatmemt would look at religion through social-science lenses, anthropology, social psychology etc.. But Sam sits there with raised eyebrow, as though he's Data from Star Trek, an affectation of objectivity. This is all pandering to populism.
Would probably be a lot less dangerous for the civilian population if Hamas decided to stop embedding itself amongst them. Gaza receives an immense amount of foreign aid, the democratically elected Hamas cancelled elections, murdered the opposition and has co-opted foreign aid to subsidize their defense budget.
@@MelGibsonFanCorrect, Hamas purposely stationing itself in places to guarantee women & child death says it all.
Finally a sane commenter that isn't condoning war crimes...
Thank you!
Dan Cohen could bring so much more realistic of a perspective on this!
@@MelGibsonFanNetanyahu and Israel funded Hamas...
They WANTED it to take over so they'd have an excuse for their war crimes and extermination protect
What are you talking about? Stick to physics.
As always, Eric brought the topic to a much higher level, and I appreciate him for that. Live long and prosper 🖤
We got a smoothbrain over here!
@@g3nj1Yeah, he does have a Neo-Neanderthal thing going on with him.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@TimothyDeSomerville physiognomy is real
This is one of the most disengenous interviews Ive ever watched with of course, very little pushback from the hosts. 1) It would help if Winestein didnt other Palestinians by just calling them Arabs. Do we only call Italians, French, Brits, etc.. "European" when talking about those ethnicities? Give Palestinians the same respect. They are Palestinians and not the same as a Saudi, Lebanese, Iraqi.... Also, anyone knows that the sticking point of all peace talks is the right of return enshrined in UN Resolution 194 passed in 1948 after Palestinians were forced off their land by Zionist terrorist groups like Irgun, Hagganah and Stern Gang. If EUROPEAN Jews could get restitution after WW2, and subsequently take Palestinian land, why cant Palestinians after the Nakba? There has to come a point where Europeans STOP TRANSFERING THEIR GUILT from the EUROPEAN HOLOCAUST to those living in the MIDDLE EAST, who had nothing to do with it.
Wow how can somebody like Eric be so brilliant and one interview in the next one completely have no reference at all.😢
The idiocy of "right" or "left" ideology is all about maintaining adherence to the party line. This is all done to distract and help suppress the truth, which is precisely what we are not allowed to talk about anywhere. Looking at what is suppressed the most is always a path to truth.
All I know is, Persia tried to invade Greece (and failed). The rest of history is the consequence of that.
They paid Sparta to crush Athens, so Persia did conquer Greece through proxy.
This did backfire as no one took Macedonia seriously enough...
@@BenAHowell754paid Sparta? Where are you getting this info from
EW is awesome and puts a perspective on this by saying we are not prepared ...and he's right. However, we better get prepared.
True-ish... they are not occupied in Gaza, they are imprisoned and live in apartheid. But the lands that were historically home to the predominant ancestry in this part of the world (Arabs) have been forced from their homes and from their land since the 1920s. This kind of "reporting" beggars belief and lacks all credibility for this channel.
This is absurd
What did he say that was incorrect?
United nations say Israel is illegally occupying. And has many resolutions. It is unsure to ignore the international laws that Israel is breaking
Uhmm the Jews have been the native people to ALL the land in question for literally thousands of years. The old name of the lands was Judea which means the lands of the ...
@@silenciowatford cool didn’t answer my question. What did Eric Weinstein say in this video that was incorrect
@@silenciowatford"it is unsure to ignore" . . . ?
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
And the UN is a joke of an organization that no one should pay attention to
The problem is that Isrsel and Eric do not "recognize" Palestine. Not just they don't recognize the same borders. 0%
So to sit there and complain that they also don't recognize you is pretty silly.
This almost turned into a Tears in Rain monologue.
It's alarming how instantly you turn from critic to mirror image of wokeness.
And waste so many words on the usual chauvinistic tribal warrior excuse that your only choice is "to kill or get killed"
The United Nations itself says it is illegal ocupación. Are we now even denying this?
The next time the U.N. says something that's not anti-Israel will be the first time.
@@d.s.6268 don't make me start liking the UN please
UN is full of commies and terrorist lovers. Israel is right to ignore them
The 'organization for condemning israel'? Give me a break. They refused to condemn the hamas attacks. Sorry.
Ah, the United nations, that font of truth!! ..."The United Nations itself says this!!!! So, it must be true!"
Huh?!?
Was the state the Palestinians were really offered really worth it? Is it Palestinians or you who likes the phrase you cite, “from the river to the sea”? Isnt it true that all Palestinians reject the idea of Israel? What is Israel’s vision of two states? Netanyahu doesn’t have one. So who does, on the Israeli side? Israel’s failure to have such a Vision - and instead to cling to the demeaning view of the Palestinians - - makes it only logical that they would kill as many Palestinians as possible. So isnt the ethnic cleansing you accuse the Palestinians of wanting to perform on Israelis actually equally true of the reverse?
If this is the case, why did Netanyahu get back into power by stating 'There will not be a two state solution'? Anyone siding with Hamas OR Israel in this conflict is uninformed or lying.
EXACTLY. Most people can only think dialectically. They can both be wrong... But Israel is definitely not the good guy here.
There will be no two state solution (Hebrew), we need a parther to negotiate a two state solution (English). It was clever of Ben Gurion to bring in a dead secret language to confound the world.
Eric thinks he is saying something that makes sense but it only makes sense to those that agree with the horrors in Gaza
You could invite Norman Finkelstein for some other perspective as well.
THANK YOU. I came here to comment this. This was breathtaking ignorance from Eric. Good god…
It might break their little brains...
Too much cognitive dissonance after buying into this BS
@@MattAngionoUnfortunately that's true. I expected Triggernometry to be the voice of reason, but apparently recognizing genocide taking place is too triggering for them.
@ZawieHa I used to...
Ever since the Ukraine conflict though, they've pretty much just been fitting right into the orthodoxy.
Now I'm much more convinced they are just riding the anti-woke train to popularity, not actually challenging the most important narratives.
This one is a huge disappointment though, because the result is a literal genocide..... but no big deal....
Following the 48 war, Egypt and Jordan annexed Gaza and West Bank from the territory of Mandate Palestine
I don't remember Gaza and West Bank being called occupied territories between 48 and 67
cause it was arab land and they just took it back from the terrorists israelis who stole their lands and displaced a millions palestinians in the 2 nakhbas combined. now dont tell me u dont even know what the nakhbas are. and based on ur response and the side u picked, i take it that u dont know what the nakhbas are.
YES! That does sound crazy! And that's because it IS crazy! @Eric Weinstein Your logic and conclusions are faulty and biased, you need to pause and rethink this a bit!
Yeah they are not occupied but many international legal frameworks say so, even the idea of a American white Jew comes to take a home of native Palestinian
Sam Harris is the only one of the group who does not understand the purpose of a coaster.
Then Weinstein turns around and attacks Sam Harris? GTFO with that
I think simply what I want to say is, thankyou!
Thankyou for allowing this conversation!
I will probably relisten to this interview several times.
There is a lot to unfold between Sam and Eric.
But it is this debate, disagreeance, listening to others that leads to better outcomes.
This is possibly the longest word salad Ive ever witnessed. What a load of pointless waffle.
Eric proposes something and wanders off in wordland. Other youtubers have actually proposed that Gaza is not occupied through facts, not a personal belief.
aww sorry muffin you'll get what you want some other time
Anyone claiming that it's not occupied is just playing pedantic word games. It's been under military siege for years.
Wait which person said Gaza “is not occupied”?
No Jews have been in gaza since 2005. They packed up all settlements, and gave up more land as they left. Hamas immediately fired rockets into Israel afterwards too.
@@clicheguevara5282well seige is not occupation, you can't just choose whatever word you want, and it is not a seige, it's a bockade to block weapons from entering, because look what hamas does
Eric proves that even a genius can have a massive intellectual blind spot and fall prey to confirmation bias.
You offered reservations to native americans and took their land. is that what you are offering to palestinians? Big reservation called Gaza?
Not at all they want them forced out into Sinai/Egypt!
@@SaneAsylum Weinstein is parroting a zionist lie already debunked by Chomsky
Except native Americans are legally entitled to a full & equal citizenship to the United States
@@bri_____ Or complete sovereign nation status within the United States!
That only shows how ignorant you are. Read history.
Islam is not complicated. It does not deserve that respect.
It is an ancient tribal belief system from a tribal warlord.
Apart from that comment. Brilliant.
There are security measures. There is no occupation.
His first words are "I don't believe", as a protection against those who point out the facts. Israel controls what goes into and leaves Gaza. Gaza is prohibited from generating its own power, from controlling its own water. Israeli blockades which is enforced by Egypt by US bribe prevents free entry of food, building materials, and fuel. When Israel feels the need to apply collective punishment, it literally calculated the calorie needs of the population and restricted food to just below that, to create starvation without outright famine. That's what Israel does. And Eric knows that.
Lmfao
@@clicheguevara5282 Your avatar is of a sadistic, mass murdering psychopath.
That's a lot of words to say that the Palestinians are living in a giant prison camp and don't like it.
The bigest problem is that if they get a chance, they will turn any size of land int a giant prison for others and for themselves when and if they comstitute a majority of the population.
The more I hear Eric speak, the more I respect him. Thanks for this clip.
He's quite dishonest. Completely fails to mention the expulsion of Palestinians from their land and homes prior to that very simple choice he presented initially
Would be like saying "The french had a choice to either resist or coexist with the Nazis"
@@haizee2330
"He's quite dishonest. Completely fails to mention the expulsion of Palestinians from their land and homes prior to that very simple choice he presented initially"
you feken don key. What a great and honest take! Losing a war that you started 80 years ago as an excuse for t3rr0rism.
@@haizee2330
"Would be like saying "The french had a choice to either resist or coexist with the Nazis"
If France wasn't existing as a country and Nazis would propose them to live in piece - your analogy would make sense.
btw. I am not sure if you are aware. But no one is accusing Germany nowadays. B.c. it resolved 80 years ago. So yeah - I love your example. It's like continuing to fight the Nazis in Germany in 2023. You are pretty much spot on, besides Palestinian mentality is much closer to Nazis. But - I'll give it to your example untouched as even in this way it shows how evil you "people" are.
the sad part of this present conflict is that Gazans will be worse off than before living in a place worse than before. Hamas will survive but Gazans may ask why? maybe. it will take years to rebuild with West democracy funds. Gazans will be a 6th generation of abused professional 'refugees' in the end.
You will never get an unbiased response on Israel from any Jew. There will always be a conflict of interest.
There is Finkelstein, there is Ilan Pappe, there is Naturei Karta. Plenty of reasonable, unbiased Jews. God bless those brave people! 🇵🇸
Listening to Weinstein convinces me that Israel will never survive.