NUMENOR In The Second Age! | Middle Earth Lore
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- The lost island of Numenor played such a central role to the main events in Arda during the Second Age, so just what happened to it? That's what we discuss today! We look at the Line of the Numenorean Kings, important figures like Ar-Pharazon the Golden, Sauron, Elendil, Isildur, Elros and many more!
This is also the area that will play a very central role in the Lord of the Rings on Prime Amazon show, so this could give a good indication what we may see happen in the show!
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So you have an invisible god, rebellion is kind of understandable. When gods, or at the least actual, tangible representatives of that god or gods are present in your world and you still rebel...you've hit next level and shouldn't be surprised at the result.
I only hope Amazon respects Tolkiens work enough to not distort aspects of it for their own reasons. Adaptations will always have many differences than the original but when it's done out of respect in an attempt to do the stories justice I have no issue. I'm just concerned that Amazon will instill the show with the overly ideological refuse they've lathered many of their recent productions in.
I too fear that this might happen, especially with the announcement about nudity they made a few months ago
Let's hope for the best
I really hope so too.
They will fuck it up. Mark my words.
@@MrCoconut212 Agreed. To what degree they fuck it up will define the show.
It doesn't help that assuming the people doing it are all serious about making a good product, Amazon's quality control for their content is pretty poor.
Wonderful video !
Thank you 😊
Sadly I really think the series will ultimately be a disappointment, as we all know politics is pushed into everything these days, and I don't believe this series will escape it, I think diversity and race politics will infect this series, don't be surprised if galadriel is a black disabled trans woman, lol, I don't have a problem with black disabled trans people, but everything has its proper place, I'm genuinely worried about it, as like all of you Tolkiens works are dear to me and I don't want current politics to infect what could be a fantastic series, am I alone in this thinking? I hate wokeness with a passion
I agree, but all we can do is hope for the best. And you never know it might be fucking great. I hope 🤞
Oh yawn, what a pathetic take from a typical Right Whinger troll....just a shame you won't turn to stone in the sun. Did you forget that it was Peter Jackson who insisted on shoe-horning additional female parts into his movies? Did you whine about that too? Yet here you are whinging about a series you know SFA about. Still, pissing & moaning about stuff they know nothing about is a typical Far Right trait.
@@TheMarcHicks nation (n.)
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and
language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country,
homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed,
stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus,
past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth,
beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
Nothing wrong with wokeness in it's place I.E. reality! It has no place in interpretations of older times art ,tho!!!
Wokenes is cancer full stop
LoTR always should have been a TV series, like Game of Thrones.. I'm really hoping Amazon don't stuff it up!!
I bet the ones who left were like, "Ummm yeah....screw this I'm out. You wanna piss off the Valar who gave us this land as a reward that's on you. I'm done "
There was no temple in Númenor built in tribute to Eru Ilúvatar, the temple in Armenelos was built at the end of the Second Age in tribute to Morgoth at the urging of Sauron. Those who remained Faithful to Eru Ilúvatar did not build temples or man-made places of worship, associating such things with evil.
Religious ceremonies dedicated to Eru Ilúvatar instead took place on the holy site on summit of the Meneltarma, these ceremonies took place in open air, as there were no permanent structures upon the mountain.
It is a strange feature of Tolkien's work than religious observance is completely absent from the normal lives of characters. No one so much as utters a hastey prayer before entering a dangerous situation.
@@mattphillips538 There are the Three Prayers that the Númenóreans observed prior to the Downfall & the Standing Silence observed by the Men of Gondor, other than that, there's not much.
Arya sails West.
Everyone was happy.
Numenor sails West.
Valar: *So you have chosen DEATH*
Lol
Get your GoT references out of here slob
"Eru"
@@wvhoipolloi7035 Right. Thanks for pointing it out, mate.
@@whiteox8903 Boo-urns to this crabbiness!
It's so saddening and heartbreaking hearing the excitement in these videos that have been posted before the release of the Amazon Abomination...
Unfortunately, the shear desecration of Tolkien's Lore, the attacks on the fans, assaults on Tolkien himself and gratuitous amounts of Woke have been put forth to destroy what he created and paint him as a racist/sexist/homophobic/Misogynist was the result of this billion dollar disaster.... Unbelievable.
It began with the forging Of the great films. Threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings, Rights were granted to Jackson great miner and craftsman of the Mountain of Lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men who above all else, desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the land of Amaom, the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a Master Flop.
And in this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate all films. One show to ruin them all.
For in the darkness fell Tolkien’s star, ln Amazon, where no bathrooms breaks are.
I really don't understand what's more can you ask. The Men of Numenor were blessed with VERY long live 200-300 years for "normal" Men and 500 years for their Kings with bodily & mentally strength stronger than those of their mainland brethren, lore, skills, and other benefits. Yet, it was somehow still not enough for them. Why would you want an immortal life? Yes, it would be fun but for a while I think enough is enough. After a while, it will becomes boring and depressing just ask the Elves.
300 to 500 years are more than adequate to learned and experienced everything the world has to offer. They also have their own "Heaven" Eru himself granted upon them on their death. I think the Numenoreans had the better "deal" among the Children of Iluvatar, even better than those of the Eldar themselves.
The Edain did not know what would befall them after death
Yes. Númenóreans had the best deal: longish lives, and no aging until Mr. Sickle knocks saying "buddy, time's up. Back to Illúvatar" or similar. Then put their business in order, and lay down to sleep forever.
@@futbolusa
Not exactly. Even the Valar don't know what happens to Men's souls after their deaths, only Illúvatar; thing is that Morgoth instilled the idea into Men that death is a bad thing instead of a release from the world, a Gift. Immortals become envious of Men in due time due to this Gift.
I have no faith in Amazon, so I hope they stick to Tolkien as much as possible. Amazon does not have a history of good original content and since I have heard more about how they are putting diversity into it than anything about the story, I am extra worried. They could at least blow smoke up our buts like Kevin Smith with He-man if they are gonna try and ruin it so we can be excited.
They could insert some soft diversity since Middle Earth has a lot of interesting female characters, for example, and they could do something like Shadow of War with Baranor which was an interesting way of inserting a Haradrim working for Gondor that didn't irk me the wrong way and was plausible. Problem is, we all know they won't because they lack the subtlety and we are in 2021.
You already have seen the cast list and know what each of the stars portraying Numenorans looks like.
There will be Black numenoreans eho identify as pansexual or trans. Isk
Sadly, you were proven right with extreme prejudice.
I hope they stay true to Tolkien's work. That is all.
Many other franchises (Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who, Masters of the Universe) have been destroyed by WOKE agenda and political SJW platforming.
I just want a show that focuses on story and doesn't subvert Tolkien's masterpiece.
"Star Trek and Star Wars" destroyed by wokism.......
Bro. Gene Roddenberry and George Lucas had/have some VERY UNSUBTLE left wing opinions.
@@raphaelkhan1668 Not this worn out and disingenuous argument again.🙄
Yes they did. But the story always came first. The lore and the characters of their universes came first.
For example: Star Trek was a utopian thought, an almost ideal future for humanity. It was bright and optimistic in totality. That was what made Star Trek special.
This new Discovery and Picard is Dark and depressing. It is used as a platform for WOKE agenda. Now before you say I am making that up even Kurtzman is on video admitting it. Thank God when they put Discovery on TV, re-runs of Family Feud beat it out in ratings. 🤣
Most people know garbage when they see it.
I'm just so terrified of what Amazon thinks they can do, or what they will do with this world that we love. The Peter Jackson LOTR trilogy was generally fantastic (with a few major down points), but the follow up with "The Hobbit" was far less than spectacular. I'm very much concerned with what a money grubbing company like amazon thinks they can do with, not a franchise, but a very old and well developed world. I hope for the best, but I expect the worst....
What-if video idea for you to cover:
What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
They would not win because he would not be at full capacatiy, hurray.
He'd've remained Gandalf the Grey and not would of been able to banish even Saruman from the Order. Gaining the strength & statue from havin his robes turn to white empowered him with the power of resurrection. Besides he got to have a time out with Iluvatar and get a few days rest and game plan🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@kawekalee9737 Imagine getting a halftime pep talk from GOD lmao
Would love to see a video about Elros and Elrond. And how Elros became king. But also the heirlooms he brought to Numenor. Like Aranruth the sword.
Elrond is the most evil being in all middle Earth, clearly he was working towards Sauron winning because he hates and fears man, but if Sauron won he and his ppl would go across the sea, wait 5000 years and then return after the orcs have cause an extinction level event killing them selves off, where now Elron and his ppl can use their terraforming magic technology to reshape the land. There is plenty of evidence to support this theory, like when Elron and Elcieldor went into mount doom, no witnesses, and some how Elcieldor just walks out alone no problem. Elron then goes on to say men are weak but himself does nothing to stop the evil. He actively undermines his daughters relationship with Aragorn, only reforges Narcil when his daughter confronts him on his lies, and long before that he let Thorin wake up the dragon knowing full well it would kill many ppl, he offered no support in the way of technology or magic, which is especially cruel considering elven medical technology is so advanced. So why does he keep up the pretense of good? He fears humans ability to conquer, short lives mean fast reproduction, humans out grow elven numbers and expand at an exponential rate, but Elron has time, he can be patient, so he pretended to be a friend and actively undermines the war effort to push victory towards Sauron, knowing the orc race cannot sustain itself, and after enough time he can return to middle Earth, whipped clean ready for a new age of elves where Elron is a god.
@@chasecharland1160 not gonna lie I had a good laugh at this
@@chasecharland1160 someone only watched the movies😂
@@chasecharland1160 yea he’s completely evil for not starting another war and killing Isildor because it would’ve been his word vs the guy he killed. Plus maybe Elrond was afraid to take the ring to throw it in the fire…. Too many possibilities doesn’t make him evil at all
@@Phillies08Eagles18 it already is his word vs isildor, he's dead, and no one knows what happened except by what Elrond says
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I think I heard somewhere that one of the Faithful or a friend of the Faithful, at great risk and possibly even their own death, travelled to Valinor, and when they landed, they begged the Valar, and by extension Eru Illuvatar, to spare the Faithful that were escaping Numenor right before it was about to be destroyed. And possibly their pleas were answered, for when Numenor was destroyed, the wind behind the 9 ships of the Faithful suddenly picked up, giving their ships great speed, so that they arrived at Middle Earth completely safe.
I believe you are refering to Amandil, the eighteenth and last Lord of Andúnië in Númenor, father of Elendil founder of the Númenórean Realms in Exile, Arnor and Gondor.
I have read the same story, or at least the part about the wind to allow the faithful to escape the destruction of the island.
@@JINYIWEIZq damn you didn't have to flex your knowledge on the lore like that
Tolkien is clearly drawing upon the story of Atlantis
The TV series is no longer about fantasy. There will be lesbuans and homosexual characters. Minority representation will be another focus as well feminist icons over male. This series will be a butchering of Tolkiens beloved stories.
I think filling in the gaps would be too much of a change to the Lore
They'll kind of have to if they don't want to finish in two episodes. Tolkien didn't write a lot about the Second Age.
how is it a change when a gap ,by definition, means there is no information?? How can you change nothing by making something???
@@lawrenceiverson1924 I mean that by nature film adaptions are different to the original books, so new readers would find the differences between the two confusing.
The Valar just never seem to learn. Bringing the Elves to Valinor in the Ages of the Trees kind of blew up in their faces, & then bringing the Edain within sailing distance of Valinor also kind of blew up in their faces. They really should have taught the Edain all that they could, then left them to thrive in Middle Earth.
Really they should not have brought the elves, and the Valar should have remained in Middle Earth themselves. It's this remote elitism that allowed evil repeatedly to thrive. The trees for example, only provided light to themselves. Leaving the rest of the world in darkness. "Just my opinion", of course. This psyche festered in the elves later. Of retreat and allowing places to be overrun. I'm told the elves were to be physically to humans like the Valar were to the elves. Big brother types. The Valar in my opinion messed everything up. I suppose it was all part of the plan, or in accordance to the song. Still annoying to watch. And for people to idolize the Valar, when they were as faulty as the rest. Practically archangels at best.
Agree
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16:03 You forgot to mention Sauron lift and cast out all the Numenorean fleet out of the sea in the haven of Morionde:
"Guards were set at the haven of Moriondë in the east of the land, where the rocks are dark, watching at the king’s command without ceasing for the ships’ return. It was night, but there was a bright Moon. They descried ships far off, and they seemed to be sailing west at a speed greater than the storm, though there was little wind. *Suddeniy the sea became unquiet; it rose until it became like a mountain, and it rolled upon the land. The ships were lifted up, and cast far inland, and lay in the fields.* Upon that ship which was cast highest and stood dry upon a hill there was a man, or one in man’s shape, but greater than any even of the race of Númenor in stature. ‘He stood upon the rock and said: *‘This is done as a sign of power. For I am Sauron the mighty, servant of the Strong”* (wherein he spoke darkly). “I have come. Be glad, men of Númenor, for I will take thy king to be my king, and the world shall be given into his hand.” And it seemed to men that Sauron was great; though they feared the light of his eyes. To many he appeared fair, to others terrible; but to some evil."
[J.R.R Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien, The Lost Road and Other Writings, p.73-74]
That was NOT Sauron lifting those ships, it was the huge wave that destroyed Numenor arriving in Middle-earth!! Sauron just took the credit to frighten the Middle-earthers into taking him (once more) as king!!
@@lawrenceiverson1924 Have you ever read the passage I've put into my comment? The paragraph clearly says it is Sauron who raised the wave like a mountain and yeeted all the Numenorean ships out of the sea at the haven of Morionde in Numenor.
Its not about the downfall of Numenor lol. The phragraph mentions when Ar-Pharazon's ships were returning to Numenor with their "captive" and how Sauron mocked with them
@@lawrenceiverson1924 Sauron canonically can cause the geographical disasters even in the 3rd age with a crippled half finished body and without the ring....At full power in his original body with the ring he could have easily lifted a mountain like tsunami without any effort , He deflected the lightnings of Manwe too....at that exact power level , there is a reason why Tolkien considered Sauron to be the mightiest Maiar , not in combat but in overall power and knowledge
Bro. I like your channel but I’m quite certain the Druedain of Druadan Forest mentioned in the Return of the King never lived on Numenor, as you seem to suggest.
They descended from people who came into the west in the first age and were friendly to Elves as were the other races of men considered ‘Edain,’ but while some went to Numenor after the War of Wrath, that line died out during the second age. It would be the descendants of those who remained in Middle Earth estranged from the Numenoreans who come to be called the ‘Pukel-Men,’ and aid the Rohirrim in RotK.
Since the rumors of nudity and sexual content were flying around, I would say we will see the temple built for melkor, the human sacrifice, and maybe even the destruction of the island.
Apparently, I heard from “the Nerd of the Rings” that the nudity was because of a “concentration camp like setting”. Let your imagination run wild on what that could be, but that makes me excited that they are not afraid to lean into a darker theme in the lotr universe
@@Alex9971000 I agree. Especially considering some dark things definitely exist in the lore.
Possibly the perversion of elves into orc’s by Morgoth will be shown. The promo pic showing the two trees of Valinor tells us that there will be either content from before the first age or flashbacks to it.
@@TheMasonK did you watch the “nerd of the rings” because I think we both watched the same thing.
@@Alex9971000 I read the article from onering talking about it. The most brutal thing I can think of that takes place before or at the beginning of the 2nd age (which is the logical place to start the show) is the creation of the orc’s.
One of the things I have never understood about Middle Earth is how long it takes someone or some group to get up off their rears and actually do something. Reading ancient history, medieval history, etc., it never took five, ten, twenty years to put together an expeditionary force - perhaps one year, eighteen months - - but nothing like the lazy time frames of Middle Earth.
We then fuck off and read ancient history.
Sad Rings of Power noises… Too bad they can’t even get an island right
Spoilers, this video is better than a billion dollar production....
The same videos done over and over and over and over by a few different channels.
No one is forcing you to watch them, even though I do.🙂
As expansive as Tolkien's legendarium is there's only so much lore and topics to go around. It's only natural the same ground will be covered by several channels. That's bound to increase as more channels focusing on Tolkien's works spring to being, especially after Amazon's series commences. As Enerdhil said, you're not obligated to watch all of them. If your time is limited like mine is, stick to the channels you prefer.
I just hope that they don't put ANY diversity quota on the show like The Witcher (I mean the black people all over the northern kingdoms where they don't make sense). Numenor is, as far as I can remember, a land of white people. The brown and black people are over in Middle-Earth.
I agree, but I would not count on Amazon to be faithful to Tolkien, as most works of art these days are degenerate.
The cast members are known. So you know which Numenorans are swarthy and which ones aren't.
Even though Eru created men, I still think the Valar owe him big-time for taking care of that problem. I lost respect for Manwë here. He was the king Valar and surely could have come up with something clever to fend off the intruders instead of just, *"HEEEEEEELP!"*
What if there was no other way, remember Valars are just flawed beings just like the rest of creation, learning as they go, made the way Eru intended.
I have an interesting rumor. At the end of the year they are releasing a 20th anniversary editions of the LOTR trilogy and they'll have another hour added on so they're about 5 hours long each film give or take a bit. It's just a rumor though.
Don’t get your hopes up. However, that would be awesome!
@@Alex9971000 They are not up but if it's true you can guarantee I'm having those editions as well.
@@ClassicHarleyQuinn oh most definitely, I will be sinking some holy great British pounds into those editions, and then proceeding to watch them all in one sitting while pointing out to my dad all of the new frames. (Although I’m sure he would already know the knew frames and scenes😂)
You’ve got me excited just thinking about it. 😋
@@Alex9971000 I will also be sinking my british pounds into It if it's true. I'll watch them all in one sitting. Then at some point I'll both The Hobbit extended editions and those versions of LOTR in one sitting.
Even if it is a bunch of snippets, it should be epic.
Numenor's might in the Second Age was greater than any that had preceded it. That is truly significant
Except no it totally wasn’t. It was in fact likely the weakest kingdom to exist up to that point in all of area. It took morgoth thousands of years to destroy Doriath, menegroth, gondolin and the like. His lieutenant destroyed numenor in a couple standard lifetimes by giving them nice things
@@scuzzymcticklish199 that's in different terms. What the original comment meant is in terms of strength in arms, the only reason Numenor was destroyed was the weakness of men (corruption), but it was still the greatest kingdom than any kingdom before it. If the numenorians weren't so greedy, it would've been feared way more than any elvish city or men alike by Sauron.
@@muz9663 true
I would love to see Ar Pharazon usurp the kingship, capture and be corrupted by Sauron the deceiver, and ultimately the destruction of the island of Numenor.
More than anything I want to see the forging of the rings of power; which would mean Sauron in ERIADOR
A show about Celebrimbor and Egerion will be great, but I think it would just make me hunger for a long show about the show about Feanor and his descendants since Celebrimbor is the last of his descendants.
I think you got your wish
I truly Hope they dont make eny more movies or shows om middel earth.... All "they" do is miss/fu-k up the story... Just look at the movies they alredy have made... More and more details are lost or chanced, like they put in "gun powder" in sted of saoumans fire, asock the defilder, and many more things... Way cant it just be a good storye? How come that u want a film on the backstory, when u know that the people behinde that film/movie only cares for 1 thing $$$$, they will chance, skip, and crap all over the real story with cdi, and plot twists to the point wher they will fu-k up verything!!! My wish.. Leave middel earth alone!! ITS NOT UR STORY TO TELL! But thats just me😁
Shit on Amazon!
Break that Morgoth of Arda up! They're a fucking monopoly vertical and horizontal.
And they're turning it into a piece of shit series like Netflix did Witcher.
It's that super corny series feel that only HBO tends to do an okay job at.
Finally I've been waiting for this video to come back...
Perhaps you should consider a video of the chronological timeline of books to read
Good shout!
I'm looking forward to see the imprisoning of Sauron in Númenor🤤
Oh yeah, and then him working his way up the ranks to become advisor to the king. That would be epic. Wasn’t sauron the one to recommend sailing west? Leading to their destruction? Or something like that, I’m a bit of novice when it comes to the first and beginning of the second age
Was he ever imprisoned? My guess is he sailed in Ar-Pharazon's ship and weaseled and brown-nosed his way into Ar-pharazon's heart.
@@Enerdhil - Sauron would not need to brown-nose, as one of his strongest powers was the ability to bend others to his will. Ar-Pharazôn would eventually become a puppet of Sauron.
@@tominiowa2513
Actually, I disagree with both of those statements. First of all, Sauron could never bend Melkor's will to his own. Secondly, Just like Denethor, who was only a Steward of the Kings of Gondor, Sauron would be incapable of breaking the will of Ar-Pharazon.
@@Enerdhil - Well, of course Sauron's power of that type would only apply to the Children of Ilúvatar (except possibly for elves who lived under the Light of the Trees), beings corrupted from them such as orcs, and animals, but not other Ainur (unless aided by the assistance of a Ring of Power), much less the Valar subclass of Ainur. And since we are going down this route, we should point out that Sauron would not be able to bend Eru Ilúvatar to his will.
As for Tom Bombadil, as Gandalf states, Sauron would eventually be able to defeat Bombadil in a siege of the Old Forest, but would unlikely be able to control him directly. Dragons and Ungoliant (before she consumed herself) would also likely be outside his control. Ents - who knows? Great Eagles would likely not be subject to such influence since they are servants of Manwë.
As for Denethor II, the contact with Sauron was only through a Palantir, which is an entirely different matter than living in proximity long-term.
The Amazon show is an awesome abomination and you just lost a subscriber.....
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There is rumours about that Amazon abomination getting scrapped.
If the final scene of the show isn't Sauron in his fair form watching the waves crash down and smiling then I don't want to watch any of it.
It really resembles the legends of Atlantis.
What didn't happen to Numenor in the second age?
WTF then why is galadrel in the LOTR TV show
Surely Manwe the god of the air could have send a wind to blow all the ships back to Numenor......
It wouldn't work. In the H.o.M.E books Tolkien noted that (with the help of Sauron)Numenoreans invented large metal ships that can sail without actual sails. Also challenging Numnenoreans would be very dangerous for the Valar and the Valinorean elves because Sauron lead the invention of "missiles" that can strike their target from very far away. Any missile could be enough to harm or destroy any Vala's physical form:
"[...]the multiplication of weapons of war, the purpose of which is concealed but guessed at; and behind all the dreadful figure of Sauron, the real power, surveying the whole land from the Mountain of Númenor. *The teaching of Sauron has led to the inventíon of ships of metal that traverse the seas without sails,* but which are hideous in the eyes of those who have not abandoned or forgotten Tol-eressëa; to the building of grim fortresses and unlovely towers; *and to missiles that pass with a noise like thunder to strike their targets many miles away."*
[J.R.R Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien, The Lost Road and Other Writings, p 84]
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I'm sorry, but that stuff that you posted is not canon. I have read all of The Books of Lost Tales and don't ever remember reading about modern weapons being used anywhere in the lore. Was your quote from a letter?
@@Enerdhil Not canon? Its from the History of Middle Earth, volume 5. Dude you cannot decide what is canon or not, who are you, Christopher Tolkien or J.R.R Tolkien himself? I just showed you what Tolkien wrote in his canonical works
@@Enerdhil Here's 2 passages from the Lord of the Rings book:
"Minas Tirith looked on, unable to hinder it. And as each
length of trench was completed, they could see great wains
approaching; and soon yet more companies of the enemy
were swiftly setting up, each behind the cover of a trench,
*great engines for the casting of missiles.* There were none
upon the City walls large enough to reach so far or to stay
the work."
(J.R.R Tolkien, Return of the King, p 1075)
...
"But the engines did not waste shot upon the indomitable
wall."
(J.R.R Tolkien, Return of the King, p 1076)
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'Great engines for the casting of the missiles'... Smh stop leaving comments before searching things
I just hope Amazon tries to remain faithful to the spirit of Tolkien (like the Peter Jackson trilogy).
("Hope" ≠ expectation)
It'll be Woke one. Trust me. Lmao. Isildur will be a Pansexual, transgender, black, and identifying as a lesbian. 🙏🙏
Well. . . After seeing what artistic interpretation did for The Hobbit, I would like to see them stay true to the history and not create new characters for mains and not combine existing characters just to have them have more screen time and create love triangles
Im sure it will be Amazon's big flop.
Im not anticipating it.
Amazing job! Thanks for the summary. I’m really interested in how they’ll portray Sauron and how much of the show will take place on numenor. Curious to see if they tell this second age story over several seasons too
Well... the series appears to be a cluster ..... we'll see
The show is utter garbage. A desecration Sauron himself would have been proud to have achieved.
😆💯 well said friend
Numenor is almost like Rome. Fascinating tale to be sure.
"Númenor in the second age" as if it existed in literally any other age
ha. although many who saw the title and had the same thought, this deserves a laugh.
I'd like to see a complete breakdown of each book, in order.
Why not just READ them??
Definitely the debates between Sauron and the Numenoeans.....
Hopefully the advise they have Sauron give to Ar-Pharazon will be Tolkienesque. Likely it be Hollywoodesque.
Great video as usual but there is a mistake, You said Druedain and showed their picture, they were natives to Middle Earth short forest people a primal ones also known as Woses, the Numenorians that settled in Midle Earth were known as Dunedain - men of the west. Second thing is that Sauron’s surrender near Umber was a set up trap as has been stated in Home and letters, the point was that Sauron released his forces from Mordor and not even gathered men from Harad and Rhin, to make sure that Numenorans will feel proud and powerful and then came to them with flattery and surrender to them with most noble manner, the idea was that he wanted to be taken captive to realise his plan instead be besieged in Mordor and risk open war or to rest rest to the east waiting for nuenorans to turn back
No that is actually correct. Some Druedain families moved with the Edain to Numenor, but left and joined their fellow woses in Middle-Earth as Numenor became darker.
The Balrog is in my stomach
Amazon show is a bust.
Maybe leave out the earth changing shape part. I hate to modify any Tolkien lore but that would be hard to adapt to film
I like to think that when the Second Music of the Ainur happens that Númenor will be brought back and eventually restored to its full glory before the corruption began.
I’m actually curious when y’all think the trailer is dropping
I’m assuming after Wheel of Time drops
Yeah it is probably a little while for a trailer just yet!
I think start of 2022 at the earliest since they will want people looking forward to it but I don’t think the trailer will contain that much content they just won’t want people forgetting about it.Then I think that a second trailer with all the juicy hype content will release 1-2 months before release to really get people going.
Tolkien, September 1954: .... But there was no temple in Númenor (until Sauron introduced the cult of Morgoth). The top of the Mountain, the Meneltarma or Pillar of Heaven, was dedicated to Eru, the One, and there at any time privately, and at certain times publicly, God was invoked, praised, and adored....
In gunsights (hindsight) vis e vis the RoP, bo. Yea Bo explains my feelings. Boo, RoP. Why does this exist and how can we make it go away!?
4:14 Tol Eressea - not Tol Eress-y-a...
Elvish is not American 🤦🏻♀️
it's mind boggling that Amazon hasn't called upon you guys and your YT colleagues. So great, so dedicated, and so enthusiastic about this Amazing World of Tolkien
Amazon doesn't want a good story, they want a story that focuses on identity politics
Numenor liberating the west sounds just like the USA liberating the middle east
Do you seriously think the Amazon show will be respectful of Tolkien? Please do not even bring it up here.
Amazon is going to pillage tolken's work for the sake of money by people that don't care about it. Going to be the last season of GOT all over again.
you putting the date the way you did messed me up so bad. I'm used to seeing dates like MM/DD/YYYY
Love this video, could you maybe do a video about the new teaser image and what you think it shows?
You have great taste in Tolkien art. Some of the best artists appear in your work.
Well, everything. Since numenor didn’t exist in any other age.
I don’t understand what the intro says, but it’s coll
Build me an army worthy of mordor.
Amazing video, I love the Numenoreans!
But did the numenor come from fist?
Originally?
My Parents anniversary September second. Cool
So what would happen if the people of middle earth traveled West to Valinor?
Isn't that the crown that controls the Golden Army?
Good observation. I knew I had seen Elros' crown elsewhere.
I always listen to these videos with a s stick of butter by my side.
First!
Very enjoyable summary, almost bite-sized compared to the extensive lore. As a life long Tolkien fan I could never get enough of Numenor; it always fascinated me. I’m really looking forward to the Amazon Prime depiction of its incredible strength at its height, which, if the first image release is anything to go by, should be absolutely spectacular.
But the island only exist in the second age only ?
Guys! Once again a brilliant summation. You really do excel at this. Parts of Numenor History that I want to see. The early history of the Second Age. The duping of Al-Pharazon by Sauron not so much, but I realise I am in the minority in this.
You certainly "are in the minority in" that. The corrupting of Ar-Pharazon by Sauron is essential to the LotR's story in the Second Age. My only worry is that Amazon Prime will make Sauron talk like a bad guy in a comic book instead of like Tolkien would make him.
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Female Nazgul? Queen Beruthiel? I doubt it.
I really don't trust Amazon Prime at all but I have some faith that The Tolkien Estate have vetoed and will veto content that deviates from the canon.
Wonderful explanation...
Can you do a video for 3rd age Numenor? oh wait...
He did. He has videos about Gondor, Arnor and Umbar already. Those are Third Age Numenor.
I just hope they don't sjw it up. Jeez.
I never understood why Iluvatar reacted with such savage fury and destroyed half of Middle Earth. Punish the Numenoreans, fine. But drown the Elven kingdoms of Beleriand? Drown the Dwarves like rats in their underground cities? Why? What did either of them do to deserve that? It always struck me as being completely senseless and not even remotely the act of a Creator. I mean, not even Melkor would have gone that berserk.
You are conflating the end of the War of Wrath (clash among Maiar and unintentional sundering of Beleriand) with the Ruin of Númenor (Illúvatar working a gigantic surgery on Arda, all according to His Plan).
@@pedrovargas2181 You're absolutely right and thanks for pointing that out. In my mind over the years I had merged the ruin of Beleriand with the ruin of Numenor - probably because they both involved lands being drowned. But I still feel it was savage. What kind of life-sustaining higher entities go to war to destroy evil, only to end up wrecking the lands of the very people that asked for help? What kind of creator god says "OK, you broke the most important rule, so ALL of you - and that will include a lot of other people who weren't directly involved - all, will be drowned!" That is what I have an issue with. Not one who truly loves his children I would say. And not much of a Plan that I admire.
elena meaning… STAR WARS!?!??(
You guys are the best part of a Monday!
Thanks so much! :D
Numenor only existed in the second age…
When the World was flat
Nice work dude thanks
I dont want valinor and the two trees to be only in the prologue...
Depending on how they will treat, we might see Aman again when the Númenórëans invade it. But do not expect much development there
Well, the series is taking place in the Second Age. The fact the Two Trees are there at all is an unexpected surprise. I thought at most we'd see the culmination of the War of Wrath and that 's all for a prologue but we're getting a glimpse of events much further back.
the Two Trees died before the 1st age
The trees were killed by Melkor and Ungoliant IN the 1st age
Anyone think Numenor was based loosely on ancient Sumer?
Or babylon
Great Job. Love the background music. Perfect for the subject matter. I subscribed. Look forward to listening to more.
Whacky theory time. Having recently seeing a video on the origin of Hobbits, I'm wondering if they are from Numenor. The Hobbits display the physical characteristics of island dwarfism and showed up suddenly from elsewhere. People of numenorian descent seem to look out for them. Maybe the island was always there or was moved and the Hobbits were displaced instead of wiped out.
As 2020 is coming to an end let's be honest, most of us will be happy to see the backside of it. But here at the broken sword we've seen the channel have a nicer glow to it, but what does this mean now that the Amazon prime show has announced its lord of the rings series? Well, we know that the lost kingdom of Numenore will feature in it but many will know very little of this Island and the best place to start is with its founding...so let's begin our tale...-"History of the Ages: what happened in Numenore during the second age..."
Mairon: almost wins every time
Valar and Co:
CHEATS CHEATS CHEATS >.>
Indonesian subtitle please
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