Torqit Performance Product Test Results. Troopy Masterclass part-3 | @4xoverland
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- Опубліковано 20 гру 2022
- I continue the second phase of my Troopy build, and as part of it, fit some Terrain Tamer and Torqit performance improvement products that have been recommended to me. Here are some results.
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I would say the biggest improvement you want out of the exhaust is the dump pipe to try and drop the exhaust manifold pressure. Being you have a dpf and did not change anything off the back of the turbo your really just making noise for slight flow improvement in the wrong area.
I tried reducing my UA-cam consumption for some weeks. But honestly, Andrew's videos are just too good. Thank you.
Itn the Swedish winter darkness its ok being a YTholic....But,..there are things i should do...later...;)
One can try all you like, but if a new 4X Overland video appears, all resistance crumbles.
Heine is such a realist! He is the friend all guys needs! Fantastic as always!
Interesting segment. As a total novice I have had a number of old school 4 x 4 people all tell me the same information - not to install a chip module but give to one of a few renowned Landcruiser tuners to re-map and test on a dyno... as well as do our auto re-map.
As for exhaust I 100% agree with you - we enjoy a quiet vehicle touring - just loath a drone that really does tire you on long runs!
We have the Safari Armax and it has definitely contributed to breathing much better and now we are awaiting delivery of our new Donaldson Airbox and filter that has significantly increased specification over the standard OEM Toyota box as well as many other on the market.
Looking forward to watching future vids on your travels to see long term outcomes.
thank-you Andrew.
Perfect way to show users the truth about plus/minus in that type of performance products for an real Overlander 👌
Nice. I think you’d also get a big benefit in terms of noise and fuel consumption by switching to all-terrain tyres rather than mud-terrain, as you’re not doing serious mud plugging off-road.
And his favourite skinny tyres.
No question about it. You don’t know the reliability and your $30,000 engine is now not covered by warranty. I’ll pay the extra fuel consumption any day! Thanks mate, like your videos
12.3l excellent result Andrew. Welcome to the 12l club :)
LOVE these videos. Super fun
Awesome content as always
Nice video. In the interest of a controlled experiment it would’ve been nice if you’d run a fuel consumption test with the snorkle intake fitted in the correct or orientation. Apologies if you did that and I missed it.
As usual reasonable conclusions with clear examples! keep it up! With respect from Ukraine!God bless you!
As I said in a previous post, (piss off the throttle controller, ram air intake and exhaust, they do bugger all except make a lot of noise) just fit the remap or good quality well researched chip for everything an exhaust does and soooo much more.
The controller doesn't add power but its cheap and it adjusts the throttle ramps which either can be adjusted in the ecu or you can only set 1. Toyota make it pretty laggy to save drive train wear.
Engines whether gas or diesel are simple air pumps so any time you can make them breathe in easier and exhale easier you improve efficiency gaining both fuel economy and power so I would think it's a win either way the snorkel is probably contributing maybe 5 to 8% the exhaust is actually probably around the same maybe up to 15% But it honestly just through the video sounds amazing
It may be difficult to admit but the best option is always to leave everything standard. After huge expense one gets more noise, an unmeasured and subjective performance increase and unknown influence on engine life. Why not leave perfect alone? It is by far the cheapest option.
The issue is that the 70 series engines are seriously detuned to the point where you wonder why you bothered. They have easy power gains with very little risk given the amount of power the 200 safely produces stock.
@@pantoqwerty I have been driving Landcruisers for more than 3 decades. During the same time I noticed various modifications to petrol and diesel engines, all which aim to improve output, economy, torque, 0 to 100 times, top end speed etc etc. These "improvements" included valve jobs, turbo chargers, engine mapping, different exhausts, cold air intakes and many more. Not a single one of the above lived up to the promises. All, without fail, reduced engine life, increased noise, reduced fuel consumption, bugger up driveabilaty etc. Some engines, that normally last enormous distances, failed in extra short time. The 4,2 liter normally aspirated diesels, recked by adding turbos, comes to mind. It is true that the 200 series engine is more powerful than the 70 sometings, but it has two turbochargers, different cooling, different coatings on the pistons, different dome thinkness, different mapping etc etc. It is naive to think that the Japanese engineers have not heard of 3 inch echaust pipes, stupid snorkels or amateurish mapping. Their engines, in the various mod states, are designed and axhausivly tested by an army of PhD engineers and scientists over a wide selection of terrein, temperatures, height above sea level, sand, snow etc etc. To think that a bunch of dimwits, one which cannot even quote the first law of thermodynamics, can modify a modern finely tuned design and improve efficiency in their garage with primitive tools and no testing equipment like dyno facilities etc, is wishful thinking. Do so at own risk, and good luck with your warranty claim.
@@pietvanderwesthuyzen6502 most tunes I’ve seen are done on a dyno
I remapped my 200-series with a reputable tuner on a dyno. It ran arguably better than stock but it had one problem. It spewed out significantly more black smoke at the exhaust pipe.
It ran quicker, doubled my torque and improved fuel economy for a black smoke screen at the back every time there is a slight incline on the road. It looked pretty stupid, in my opinion.
I returned the ECU map back to stock. It was fun while it lasted.
Lovely stuff
It was a pleasure listening, and being an (ex) diesel technician, I found it very interesting.
Must say I agree 100% with the noise factor being tiring.
I abhor cars in my peaceful and quiet neighbourhood, whose exhaust systems are loud. It's highly irritating, and I don't understand how they put up with the droning at highway speeds.
The grunt of the snorkel on a low speed it sounds like the beast breathing in the jungle. Personally I love it, it gives you that feel of power
Anyway it's not a quiet car no mater what u done to it
I recently installed a Safari snorkle on my Prado 150, after a month of driving my fuel consumption has reduced by at least one litre per 100km, (according to the average fuel usage indicator) in fact on a cool morning along the highway I am back down to 8 or 9 litres per 100km, like it used to be before all the bull bar, roof rack etc were installed. Midday I'm up around 10-12
Impressive results.
As I expected, the exhaust would be a bit too loud. 3.5" is pretty brave for a first-time choice.
Also impressed with the results of the stainless steel snorkel might get annoying or tiring on a long days driving on a slow going track.
1/4 wave resonators. Look into them for your intake. My two cents on the exhausts is that it could be made quieter while the diameter maintained.
Car tuning is not excluded from Newton's Third Law of Motion, "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." So for more power and/or increased throttle response, generally means more fuel consumption. 🤪
The V8 is detuned for a reason. Reliability and stamina. Here come the leisure-time engineers...
Anecdotally, Ronny Dahl’s mate Torben has done some serious km in his 76 and that is definitely tuned, so I guess it depends on who tunes it and how. Get the bogan full send tune and it will likely cause issues, sensibly remap and you’ll be fine. The 200 produces more power stock, so no reason a 70 can’t
Hi Andrew just curious why this is called masterclass if you are experimenting. Particularly with slave tuning.
Nice review , Merry Christmas from Canada ,,,,, eh
With any fuel economy improving device I always like to ask myself how many tanks of fuel would it take to recoup what I spent on the upgrade. I saw $70 per fill up in the list there, how many tanks would it take to make up that intake and tune?
I have a torqit exaust and love the sound, as for my fuel economy I put an automatic 6 speed in and my revs at 100km per hour dropped to 1500 rev from 2200 that's what made the biggest difference
Great to hear mate!
In this case, I think the benefits of fitting a larger exhaust are limited by the dpf. On a pre dpf model, it will help more.
Usually not. The turbo blocks the exhaust anyway and forces the air in so it's much less significant than a NA car. Most cars like a hilux prado or 200 actually loose a bit of torque. I'm not sure about the stock 70 series exhaust, some DPF can cause a restriction.
Did I miss the bit where you got before and after Dyno results? Without them this means nothing. Just saying it feels different is not enough. We used to take the baffles out of our sports mopeds when we were kids and convince ourselves that because it was noisier it was obviously faster. It wasn’t and, chances are, neither is yours.
May I ask, why you spend much money on making a "horse" out of a "mule" rather then buying a "horse" and make it reliable/off-road worthy? I guess reliability is the point why you drive a car with 1950th technics? Please don't get me wrong, I have no problem with your Troopy, it's a beautiful car! but you have nearly changed everything off it by now.
I thought chips were a thing of the past and ecu tunes are the latest and safest way to tune? (Work shop depending). Was this a tune for your vehicle or generic tune for the 1VD motor?
My 79 series with the facorty air box but a 4" inlet into it and 4" snorkel the dyno run with vs with snorkel we found the snorkel quite restrictive compared to no snorkel. Obviously the snorkel has benefits off road.
Thanks for the review on the ECU module and throttle controller. I'm interested to know why you didn't use Unichip again as you were happy with it previously. IMO an ARB safari airmax snorkel is king. I have a 3" DPF back exhaust and it's super quiet. The drone if a larger exhaust is annoying and really just for show and a youngsters kicks.
It's because the Torquit stuff was free......
1. Turbo engines does not need intake/exaust modifications very much. Better breathing helps naturally aspirated engines mostly. 2. Those ECU maps are base maps - not specific for that particular engine/car. You can achieve better results with intake/exaust and then proper engine map fine tuned with test runs. Base maps cannot do that actually. Those base maps are probably maps programmed without intake/exaust or with them (now you are running intake/no exaust). So yeah :)))) can be done better. But thats also not bad. Important to know that turbo engines does not benefit from better breathing (intake/exaust) as much as naturally aspirated ones. People often mixed those two thinks. If you have naturally aspirated engine you need intake/exaust/headers and then some mapping in order to achieve more power. For turbo engines if the turbo is original there are no much benefit from intakes and exaust. Just the turbo dont care about pipes before and after as much as non turbo.
Andrew do you also have that RODE mic tied into the hands free for phone calls? If so, do others think it improves the call quality?
Ok. So what’s the actual reason for the different fuel economy in your later compared to the earlier models? You have been able to get it down to 12.3L/100km. My Aus 2008 78 series and my NZ 2009 76 both do 13L/100km cruising at about 100kmph.
Never understood why it isnt calculated kilometers per litre.
Will changing diff ratio also contribute to better consumption if the engine is not working so hard turning bigger wheels?
Well there goes the warranty.
People always say this, but if you have an issue not related to the extra power they can't do that unless you let them. It's very unlikely a simple tune would make short term issues, it will be out of warranty by the time the turbo, rings or bottom end goes. If you damage the drive train in a stock car off 4x4 they won't fix it anyway.
@@veneratedmortal4369 the fact that it’s publicly shown to Toyota he has changed a factory tune with the module will be all the evidence they need to drop any warranty work
PPD Performance in Myaree has the best stainless 3 inch for these. I have one and does everything but drone and quiet on the road. Highly recommend and no issues after 4 years with it.
Hi Andrew how was the terraintamer fortified clutch on your troopy?
Merry Christmas on whichever track you end up on.
These reviews are great. But what makes them priceless is your secret super power....
Articulation
Have you ever considered an auto conversion to the 6 speed? Something similar to the Wholesale Auto 79 V8?
I have a throttle controller (different brand) and agree it just made my car so much more pleasant to drive (it's my wife's favourite change so far). I also expected a negative effect on fuel consumption, but it the difference was negligible. Going one size bigger on the tyres had a much greater effect.
The throttle controller is applying throttle at a heavier and quicker ratio, I can't imagine your fuel economy drop is negligible. If you are literally pressing the throttle harder and faster by proxy, it should have a quite noticeable effect on fuel economy.
@@gpaje I expected it to be worse for the reasons you've stated, but I calculate my economy every fill up, and it may be slightly worse, but it's not noticeable in my calcs. I run my throttle controller in auto mode so it's possible it's actually dampening the throttle response while cruising, which would help negate any extra fuel used under acceleration.
@@MrDingo71 That makes sense, if you don't have it under a more aggressive setting. The one's I'm used to usually have levels you set, but not an auto mode that could potentially tone down the settings.
@@gpaje I've been pleasantly surprised, certainly wasn't expecting it! The auto mode seems to be programmed really well, nice and responsive when accelerating from rest, but not too sensitive the rest of the time. Haven't found the need to use the 'fixed' settings apart from experimental runs, and dampening it down when off-road.
For a reference point I have got 10l per 100 from my stock 200 series from Melbourne to Sydney.
Andrew, just ask them to replace the center section with a resonator, it will remove any drone straight away.
I'm interested in your comment (last ep) about the fuel consumption being significantly higher than you expected. Was it higher than your last trophy? If that is the case, what is it about this one that could be causing the increase? More drag from fittings? Is the different rooftop or bull bar increasing drag. It should be lighter so that's not the issue.
Trying different products to see what impact they have on consumption is all good, but if the base vehicle has a higher consumption than you have experienced previously in the same model, shouldn't you be looking if something is not right?
Very good question, I've been wondering along the same lines. Maybe the green Troopy V8 also had a forward facing snorkel?
On my hilux raised intake I can turn the top when facing the front you can barely hear it and facing back its very noisy
Having watched your documentary on crossing the Australian Outback, I thought of asking. Living in Namibia, what would be your take on the Extended Cab 2.8 4x4 Hilux? Would you cross the Outback in a Hilux like that and what would you change?
I have an extra cab hilux, excellent vehicle for the outback.
Andrew. Do you still intend doing the video on the cockpit layout?
Would have done clutch, airbox , Gturbo green wheel, throttle controller, upgraded inter cooler
Without being a tree hugger…I’m doing between 6,5 - 7 liter/100km in my D250 defender, it’s not a V8 and probably a bit lighter, but it is still significant.
The best can be engine 4.5 diesel V8 from 200 series. In 7Oseries it is rocket. 😀🚀
There's a reason truckies are preferring the newer prime movers with a quieter exhaust and cabin than the older trucks with the big twin stacks. Noise fatigue is a real thing.
Reinvent the silencer for the bigger exhaust.... I used to build them and it can be done
One reduces drone in the exhaust with a thing called a muffler...... the diameter of the pipe is irrelevant. Having said that, 3" is plenty for your engine size.
Your snorkel is facing the wrong way 😂
On my car. The snorkel is extremely loud and is on the passenger side and the partner can’t stand it, I find a snorkel uni sock/filter helps dampen that noise.
Andrew- couldn't you also get some skinnier tires on your Troopy to improve mileage (225/95/R16 or 235/85/R16)? I believe you have 265/75/R16 Tires now. I believe 235/85/R16 would be common in Australia
Andrew, I'm sure you know this, but- 265/75/R16 are 31.65 inches tall and 235/85/R16 are 31.73 inches tall. To me this seems like a no brainer- try 235/85R16s on your Troopy. They are 1) slightly taller. 2) Will be better off road (as you have taught me) 3) Will contribute to better fuel economy.
Only thing I don't know (since I'm in the U.S.) is the availability of 235/85/R16s in your country. They are easy to find here.
Would be nice test to have done these one at a time
Nov 2020 build, minor mods, lm getting 10.2L /100k trip meter accurate to 1%
i've tried to mix diesel fuel on 2.5 ltr Toyota Innova & 2.5 ltr Mitsubishi Pajero Sport with certain mix of essential oils (15 ml mix of essential oils for full tank diesel fuel) and gain about 25-30% reduction in diesel fuel consumption
That’s hard to believe.
At retail prices for the modifications, the fuel would pay for them within 110,000 kilometres.
Its a v8 landcruiser mate. You buy it for the grunt. Thats it
Only way to know about performance V economy is to do before and after dyno runs. You’d then have a definitive answer
I know it feels like a bit of a contradiction. But in actual fact, with all these 4 products, giving you more power. It means less throttle input, which means better fuel economy.
I know deep down you are livid you put the stainless snorkel on and cut so much out of the side panel. I've got the safari armax on mine and it was bad enough seeing that ,let alone nearly the top half of the panel cut out. Vehicle's looking great otherwise.
My big question in this kind of mods is: what about the reliability compromise? Will the motor have issues after a long time of using those mods?... Toyota motors help but not everyone has one 😅
If there was a compromise to reliability, I wouldn't do the mods. I'm very careful and do a lot of research.
How the hell did u get those amazing fuel figures!? 😂. My 22 79 series dual cab lives on 15.5 litre per 100km's.
The Australian aftermarket scene is sum of the best in the businese but where can you buy “normal people” parts for everyday touring vehicles?
The exhaust pipe on a car is dictated to buy the size of the TURBO outlet, the outlet on a 79 series is not 3.5 inches wide😂.
The larger the pipe the more room there is for sound to bounce around in. Touring vehicles do not need excess noise.
What’s wrong with the market when all you need is an OEM replacement exhaust that flows better..., stock size, simply hi-flowed with fewer restrictions and made to the quality we have come to expect from our aftermarket industries?
The snorkel and the airbox are a fine product, meeting and exceeding the factory part.
i would really like to see Andrew test this in a traditional configuration, with a forward facing style head,
and compare what it does to the sound, and fuel economy?
For the regular touring/work vehicles, in dusty conditions, it’s nice to have the option to change out the snorkel head for different levels of air filtration and engine protection like the manufacturer intended.
The modern Diesel engine certainly does benefit the most from a good quality Aftermarket tuner.
With better fuel economy we can all drive our 4X4’s further off-road.
I don't understand the fuel economy tune. When I tuned my petrol v8 commodores you map the fuel table. The performance and cruising part are different sections of the map. Think of engine loan on one axis and engine speed on the other axis. You could clip the performance off the top to force people to drive good, but if you know how to drive you should be have the performance tune with similar fuel economy.
I also don't think the exhaust will improve fuel economy or power in a fairly stock(non drag car 1500hp) car. Turbo produce alot of back pressure and force the induction anyway. A restrictive DPF can. The only performance and economic gains are in the stock tune being bad. Usually they are super rich to provide cooling to the cylinder, also low on boost.
I get 9.5lt on my series 76 , No modifications, only a track correction with a DWIZ axle conversion.
I find that hard to believe, I have a 2008 Troopy and & a 2009 76 series, both do 13L/100km. Are you driving it downhill with a tail wind and the motor turned off most of the time?
@@malcolmL995 that's what I'm getting since I bought my 76 8 months ago. I hired a 2.7ton Carravan and consumption when to 14.5lt per 100km. No Malcolm definitely not driving down hill. I'm pretty happy with that.
@@gary412222 I think there is something a bit suspect though? As soon as I put the caravan on the back of my Troopy it goes up to 21L/100km. It’s been on the dyno and running to manufacturing specs. My 76 is exactly the same. Heck, my wive has a RAV4 and it not does 9L/100km
I stand to corrected. After 2016 or 2017 Toyota changed the gear ratios on the gearbox which would have changed the fuel consumption slightly .My 76 is a 2018 model.
Ps . The handbook says 9.5lt per 100km
Hi Andrew! Changing the engine map to gain this fuel benefit, from my basic understanding of engines, made the engine run more lean. More oxygen to fuel ratio. This is what VW was caught doing. If more air is available in the engine performance goes up but the excess O2 bonds with Nitrogen from the air making NOx emissions go up.
That's how the aftermarket tunes get more power and economy. Along with more boost.
In order to reduce the noise I use earplugs
An aspect you haven’t addressed, Andrew, is the warranty implications of all this.
I follow a couple of Toyota diesel centric mechanics channels and to a man, they point out what they see as a root cause relationship between the chippers and tuners and cracked pistons.
Yeah you can create lots of extra oomph by over fueling. And lots of extra economy by running the whole shebang somewhat leaner.
But what happens next if the engine goes all poopy in its trousers? Toyota sure as heck won’t be interested. And I bet the chippers and tuners won’t pony up a new engine either. You need to save a shiezen tonne of fuel to pay for a new engine … correct?
The chippers and tuners also rely on, without saying as much, that Toyota engineers have NFI what they’re doing. Toyota employs 350,000 people. If only one tenth of one percent of them are engine designer/engineers, that’s 350 people. How many engineers does Andrew’s chipper/tuner employ that are dedicated to Toyota? I bet it’s not even 3.
My point is warranty and reliability are important to the discussion.
Totally agree. I often have to laugh when people pretend to know more than skilled engineers who contribute to produce rock-solid engines.
As I often say, if these mods were any good the factory would put them on. I agree, many millions of dollars and countless hours are spent by auto companies on development and then someone outside decides that for a few thousand dollars of development they can add a hundred dollar chip on the motor and all is good.
The 200 makes 200kw from the same engine. I think it's fine, unless your a farmer with a 3.5t trailer and 1.5 tonnes in the back.
I tuned commodore v8s back in the day. The stock afr was 8:1 and 13 degrees advance. The same engine was in the hsv so it needed to be detuned. It would lean out to 20:1 stock at low load for economy/ emissions. stoichiometric afr is 14.7 for petrol and a very save power enriching(for wide open throttle loads) is 11:1. It should have been run at 14.7 and 12 for power enrichment with min 24 deg advance. Modern cars have knock detection so it should detune itself if the engine cylinder is getting to hot and pinging. In a diesel you only need to be concerned about exhaust gas temperatures, and usually you can get an intercooler or if you want big power and exhaust to fix that.
Those issues will generally be from people that asked for a “full send” level of tuning. Safe tunes can be had from plenty of companies that will offer improvements. It’s worth noting some engines can be tuned better than others. The 70 series is one, the 3L Prado allegedly not so much.
@@pantoqwerty so why don’t the tuners offer a like for like warranty for when it goes all poopy? Toyota will say it’s big their problem because you’ve modified their engine.
Its better to tune it on a dyno as all vehicles are slightly different. A tune off the shelf wont achieve the best results
Chips are rubbish, you have voided the warranty anyway, just tune it how you like.
Geez, I must have missed the part where every other UA-cam channel ever was telling me about how much more power I can get from my VDJ .. I must be in the small percentage who realises if you have an engine with a 4.5L displacement and a turbo attached, its going to use fuel. Upload some new/better content because this troopie content is dragging out and getting old. Cheers
So true. Channel was great but getting less informative each release. I do not like being treated like a fool. Should not have given it another chance. Poor effort trying for more funds.😔
Generic tunes are a ticking time bomb. Get it custom tuned, it will also negate the need for the throttle controller
Hi mate, these tunes aren't generic mate, all tuned from scratch, for each vehicle
@@TorqitPerformance Do you recommend customers get their vehicles on a dyno afterwards?
there goes your warranty
I am a bit disappointed that you are showing your age. How different would a teenager's option be? I think it would be nice to know the prices in rrp of the mods? Thanks for your incite old man!
Why don’t you get a teenager to pony up $3000+ and present their own findings here on YT?
Don’t need a teenager when you have Heiner
From memory you fitted bigger tyres than stock... so rather than your odo being under it will be over... So i think you applied that correction the wrong way, meaning your economy will be better than you stated.
Andrew's tyres are smaller than stock - stock 225/96R16 are 827mm diameter and his 265/75R16 muddies are 814mm diameter
@@philg2468 Ah, I thought he fitted 285s in the end.
Apart from the performance, this looks like spending money to save money. Although this was sponsored so it's ok in this case.
Who is toyota when there is that guy making a fuel efficient map... In toyota they study to make a less efficient ecu but than a mechanic solve it. And me studing electronic engineering lossing all this time, next i'll go to a car shop to get efficient programmation
soon it seems we have to pay ransom to U Tube as nothing is free, when you die it costs your life too, I can't watch the show anymore on TV, Computer so far ok