Double Bass Drum Lesson 6 - Sitting Positions
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2018
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*Subtitulo en Español está disponible.
*English subtitle is available.
In this double bass drum lesson, I’m explaining how the sitting positions; drum throne height, leaning forwards, backwards affect our playing. Why drummers sit high or low? What is the optimum drum throne height? With giving examples from the World’s best drummers I’m especially focusing on how sitting positions affect foot technique of the players.
The drummer Simon 'Phillips' typed wrong on the video, realized it after the upload. Sorry for that.
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Bu davul dersimde oturma pozisyonlarının; davul taburesi uzunluğu, öne eğilme, geriye doğru yaslanma gibi durumların çalımımızı nasıl etkilediğini anlatıyorum. Davulcular neden yüksekte yada alçakta oturur? En ideal davul taburesi uzunluğu nedir? Dünya’nın en iyi davulcularından örnekler verecek daha çok oturma pozisyonlarının ayak tekniklerini nasıl etkilediği üzerine odaklandım.
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En esta lección de bombo doble, voy a explicar cómo la posición en la que nos sentamos, la altura del asiento de batería, nuestra inclinación hacia adelante o hacia atrás afecta nuestra manera de tocar. ¿Por qué los bateristas se sientan alto o bajo? ¿Cuál es la altura óptima del asiento de batería? Mediante el uso de ejemplos de los mejores bateristas del mundo, me voy a enfocar en cómo las posiciones de sentado afectan la técnica de los pies de los bateristas.
Subtitulo en Español: Luis Enrique Infante Hernández
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My Double Bass Drum Tutorial series will continue with these topics:
Lesson 1: Basic Logic : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 2: Building Up The Speed : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 3: Pedal Techniques : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 4: Strength : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 5: Endurance : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 6: Sitting Positions : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 7: Warm Ups : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 8: Control : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 9: Drum Triggers : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 10: Swivel Technique : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 11: Pedal Types : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 12: Pedal Beaters : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 13: Pedal Settings : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 14: Building Up Blast Beats : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 15: Slide Techniques : • Video
Lesson 16: Double Bass Fills : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 17: Double Bass Patterns : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 18: Left Foot Based Patterns : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 19: Double Kick vs Twin Pedal : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 20: Drum Shoes : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 21: Acoustic Kick vs Electronic Kick Pad : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 22: Most Common Mistake : • MOST COMMON MISTAKE OF...
Lesson 23: Muscle Memory : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 24: Improving Slave Foot’s Weakness : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 25: Discipline and Mind Exercise
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I love how playing Drums is so free. The only incorrect way to play is when something hurts and/or the kit is being destroyed.
Honestly what a brilliant video. Clear, helpful, with great examples and a solid conclusion. Thanks and hails.
Nice to hear:) thank you!
I also echo this sentiment, very great video.
I just started playing drums a couple months ago. Here I am counting every note and sticking to a simple drum beat. I still don't understand how you excellent drummers make it look so easy.
It was about time that someone started to speak about basic settings based on sitting, drum throne height and anatomical stuff. Its is needed to make research about physical injuries and playing music, muscles and nerves involved on playing, symptoms, consequences on plying and treatments available nowadays to get over it. I think that it is something that is really missing and it's absolutely necessary to pour some light over it. I've been and still I am a damaged drummer that goes ahead with his physical pain, carrying on years of frustration. And I know that I'm not the only one, that's for sure. It's time to start up a research about physical pathology of drumming and endurance through spending hours and hours practicing hard behind the drum kit. Keep up the good job!
Thanks bro!🙏🏼 I hope you figured out your pain problems.
I am going through such a slump right now with my double-bass. I feel like this is going to help. Thank you!
Always much preferred sitting high. Gives me a feeling of being in control, instead of the kit controlling me.
love that you included drummers from different genres!
Great video! Very thorough explanation. Thanks!
This was great! Helps tremendously! I'll watch many times. Thanks so much!
Erce, your channel is a goldmine!
Great video,plenty of usefull information all through this video!so helpfull man,thank you
Your channel kicks ass man! Learning so much!
makes a lot of sense, thank you
Vi el vídeo nuevamente. Excelente
Erce cidden harika bir iş yaptın, eline ayağına ağzına sağlık.
This Guy is Awesome
Thank you. Very good lesson.
Useful video! Thanks!
Thank you so much! this has been the most important lesson for me.
For me I have to keep a straight lower back and tight abdomen or I can't relax my feet and play fast
Great Video man and the conclusion is right 100%.It have been showed clearly from all players you show us that everyone plays with the way he is more comfortable to do it!!
You are awesome 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Speak master, all right? I went back. I managed to buy my Iron Cobra pedal, after years of trying. God blessed me. now it's studying videos of him, like a madman. God bless you and thank you.🇧🇷🤘🥁
Great videos! Thanks🤘
Erce Abi dersler süper gerçekten çok faydalı oluyor Türkçe altyazı olması da ayrı güzel :) Takipteyiz abi yeni videolarını bekliyoruz :)
I am indebted to you for life!
explanation&examples!explanation&examples! - perfecto Amigo!!!)
Amazing video !
I've been trying to perfect this for years, and have found sitting higher than lower means I can hover and get less sore quads. However I still get very sore in the hips and know stretching and endurance are probably the most key factors! I've gone to a tractor style seat which has helped, hopefully I can use the tips from this to help further!
I have started drumming again and when I try fast double pedals, my hip flexors and back hurts. I am 40 now (no wonder). 🤣
very professional vids will check the rest out
wow! just wow! 💜☮️✨🥁
Super!!!
Exellent Video! The leaning forward, i think a major important fact is that Theory of perfect posture vs reality is very important here, if you sit 20 minutes in the same position without having to move a bit, you're not human lol. Thanks for the video's! OH and Enya
same sitting experiment was done by me while practicing double pedal last 5day's finally I got the answer from you bro, thanks bro 🙏
You are welcome bro🙂🙏🏼🤘🏼
@@ErceArslan thanks alot bro 👍👏👏👏🙏
As I'm now trying to improve my double bass technique I finally came to the sitting height question. I'm more or less on a straight 90° position but I'm lacking some power and speed, so I was considering my sitting position as well. The video you did is great because it explains the mechanisms behind every position and - even more important - it shows that there is no holy grail in terms of sitting position 😉 I will try out going more up and more down for a couple of days each and will listen to my body.
Thank you very much for pointing out these important information - you explain very good and understandable!
Nice to hear and glad to be of help!🙂🤘🏼 Sitting height is one of the key points for the technique.
✨Thanks for the excellent info & video ..very informative & helpful ! ✨
U. R. 💯% Awesome❗️
🙏🏼🖤🥁n🤘🏼
I play a 40 piece set and have my seat a little higher than horizontal but not too high. I play my bass drum pedals with my ankles (have for 53 years) which works great now because of arthritis in my lower back and hips. I always played leaning a little forward because I have to reach out to some of my higher toms, octobans, roto toms, cymbals, etc... I say play whatever feels comfortable for you.
How is your roadie doing?
Cool
Erce! I got to get that t-shirt lol!
Hey bro, great videos, appreciate all the straight forward ideas, proof, and great just to learn how to play better just over the couple weeks of watching! Especially the warm ups for double kick/etc. + the muscle cream surprising helps a lot & can play the double kick way longer & blast beats lol.
? * Have a question that has been hard to get any answers for awhile; would be greatly appreciate if you could help me out with deciding on "Drum Thrones" & bad backs? Just curious to what you think. Cause I recently got a "DW tricycle drum throne" for first time (usually just had kinda cheap Pearl normal thrones b4); however, have bad lower back (why sit up high, & toes to the pedal lol). Anyways, kinda curious if my "new" kind of throne is worse for my back and will make playing drums more difficult? Because starting to find it harder to sit as high and enough strength to build speed than b4, would a "Orange County D&P or a Pork Pie? And will it be possible it could be better for my playing style? Thank for reading & any feedback is much appreciated man!
Hello bro! Thank you very much for your kind words:) I am glad to be of help. For your drum throne question I think the quality of the drum throne is not so important. I mean if it's tricycle, expensive etc.. Many years before I have started to play with office chair as you see in this video, that was because I was fed up with drum thrones which are not able to set so high and when I was play with them higher they just got broken and can not be fixed. So honestly I don't know much about those drum throne models for more than 13 14 years :D
But if you have a back problem, I think scientificaly sitting on a very soft chairs can harm your spines more. For example I am just comparing this with professional powerlifters, strongmen who do heavy deadlift. They never use shoes because of their flexibility, it has more probability to harm their backs so they lift with just socks. And did you scan with MRI of your back? Just for to be certain, I wondered what an orthopedist is going so say about it.
Your vids have been incredibly helpful for me with double bass! I was wondering if you had any advice about tension in the hip flexors. I’m pretty solid up until about 130-140 bpm using leg technique, then I start to use ankle motion but I start to get very tense in the hip flexors if playing more than a few bars. Can throne height help or is it a technique issue I need to work on?
İlk baterist örneğinin Mike Portnoy olması 😍
I find that it depends on the shoes I'm wearing. Sometimes I'm wearing flat sneakers, other times I have athletic shoes with some drop height in the heel, and it changes the feel a lot and it helps to sit a bit higher than usual then.
Benim için faydalı bir ders oldu hocam teşekkürler.. Sağ bacağımla belimin birleştiği kısımda ağrı şikayetinden dolayı doktor tavsiye etmişti alçak oturmamayı.. O nedenle yüksekte oturuyorum ama garip karşılanırdı hep bu durum görenler tarafından.. Tabi boy da uzun olunca biraz fazla yukarda görünüyor olduğundan muhtemelen.. Gördüğüm davulcular da genelde aşağıda oturuyordu.. Bu kadar yaygın olduğunu bilmiyordum. Teşekkürler tekrardan.. Bir de videoyla ilgili bazı kısımlarda ingilizce altyazı da kalmış.. Bilinçli bir tercih değilse tabi..
Rica ederim, yardımcı olabildiğime sevindim. Uyarı için de teşekkürler, düzelttim :)
MY BODY MY CHOICE!
Well, I have an office chair too, but not so fancy as you do - mine has non adjustable height, so I got used to it and every time I sit next to the drum set I just can't do shit :D
Have you tied the Dualist pedals?
Anyone got a link to his stool or similar?
I need that shirt
Erce Abi, bu işi meslek edinmiş birisi olarak sence hangisi? Portnoy mu Mangini mi? 😊
:) her ne kadar Mangini daha üst düzey bir davulcu olsa da, Dream Theater'da Portnoy'u görmeyi tercih ederim.
I'm starting to practice double bass but I keep leaning back when I go fast, I can't find the right position for this not to happen, what could I be doing wrong?
Lesson 23 of this serie will help you about that.
Is this a John Dolmayan snare?
Yes
I have very long legs and a very shitty drum seat... so... I tend to put the sit just a bit higher than my knees.
Hello! Can you help me? I'm your fan who is to playing double bass and here is my problem. I play double bass one year and during this year I was one time in great condition, I could play 160-170 bpm for not a long time, but I could. Now I do not know what happened, but last two months I can't play 130bpm. I'm very depressed.. I was trying to play swivel technique, but im tempo around 130-140 bpm I stucked and I can't play faster. Than I one month played an ankle motion but same things happened. At ankle motion I had problem with left leg, when I played, the left never be so good like right leg. Now i have no idea what to do, so I really want some advice, because I'm totally broken.
Hello! I need more information for an exact answer. While you play 160-170 bpm comfortably which technique were you using? It seems this happened because you change your technique so much and jump from one to another🤔
@@ErceArslan I was playing 160-170 bpm by leg motion technique. It was very hard for condition, so i decided, that i will try swivel and stopped playing leg motion and than everything got worse.
@@ja-sl6vt It's clear now. As i said before, you are jumping so much from one technique to another. Don't be depressed because what you do is wrong. Don't try to play just with ankle motion or swivel in this tempos(130 140) as a muscle work out; yes you can do it. But as a main technique; no. If need an example, double bass drummers usually use leg motion on slow-mid tempos (until 150 160 bpm in general) then they turn to ankle motion or whatever they are using. In conclucion try to do what works for you between those tempos. You will get tired, it's normal, this is drumming.. a hard physical activity.
@@ErceArslan Thank you so much, for everything. Witch technique is in your opinion better for me. Learn ankle or swivel technique? I want play tempos about 190-200bmp maximum. I know, that you everything explaned in other videos, but when I watched some other drummer, everyone told something different.
@@ja-sl6vt ankle
his 'gods' are my gods; tesla, nietsczhe, newton, hawkings, da vinci,
I think that no-one of the player you show that seat lower than 90° using the technique you show,'cause you doing heal down and they use heal up!
I'm not saying they are sitting lower than 90* and I'm not sayin that they don't use heel up. (Not heal)
My comments is the bass drum pedal it’s self (as a concept) is a hodgepodge of haphazard ideas we’ve inherited and no none wants to bring anything new forward. Why are we sitting with our legs extended and slouching? A bicycle offers a much better body position. Also, a smooth footboard can never provide precision or power ( it’s like walking on ice) Ask any violinist to throw away their bow rosin. Most sports have shoes or courts that offer a gripping effect for feet. The whole concept needs to be rethought and video’s like this would not be necessary, because it would be obvious how to play the bass drum pedal and probably much less frustrating to teach.
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