MOST COMMON MISTAKE OF DOUBLE BASS PLAYERS DO! - Double Bass Drum Lesson 22
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- In this drum lesson I've mentioned a very important thing for Double Bass drummers. The most common mistake! I have recorded tens of drummers in my studio and analysed the hundreds of drummers. And came up with this conclusion. 80% of double bass players have this mistake.. because it's a human being urge.. I don't want to give a spoiler of tis mistake here because there are a lot of tests inside the video. I recommend all of you to keep watching until the end.
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Bu davul dersi videomda çift kick çalan davulcular için çok önemli bir şeyden bahsettim. En genel yapılan hata! Stüdyomda onlarca davulcu kaydettim, yüzlerce davulcu da analiz ettim. Ve bu hata %80 oranda davulcularda mevcut... çünkü biraz da insani itki diyebiliriz. Şimdi burada spoiler vermek istemiyorum. Videoyu sonunua kadar izlemenizi tavsiye ediyorum.
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I use Tama Drums and play with Tama Speed Cobra Pedals. My Double Bass Drum Tutorial series will continue with these topics:
Lesson 1: Basic Logic : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 2: Building Up The Speed : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 3: Pedal Techniques : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 4: Strength : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 5: Endurance : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 6: Sitting Positions : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 7: Warm Ups : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 8: Control : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 9: Drum Triggers : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 10: Swivel Technique : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 11: Pedal Types : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 12: Pedal Beaters : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 13: Pedal Settings : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 14: Building Up Blast Beats : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 15: Slide Techniques : • Video
Lesson 16: Double Bass Fills : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 17: Double Bass Patterns : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 18: Left Foot Based Patterns : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 19: Double Kick vs Twin Pedal : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 20: Drum Shoes : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 21: Acoustic Kick vs Electronic Kick Pad : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 22: Most Common Mistake : • MOST COMMON MISTAKE OF...
Lesson 23: Muscle Memory : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 24: Improving Slave Foot’s Weakness : • Double Bass Drum Lesso...
Lesson 25: Discipline and Mind Exercise
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This series on double bass drumming is by far the best on UA-cam, each lesson is so useful, just brilliant work! 🤘
thank you🙂🙏
God blessed my ear with a gift to hear oddities quickly. I knew after the 1st round that the 1st take was off.
Erce abi, özellikle Türkiye'deki davulcular için bu videolar bir nimet. Ne olur bu derslere hep devam et. Ufkumuz açılıyor. Emeğine sağlık çok teşekkürler.
Rica ederim:) Ben teşekkür ederim.
"Our first enemy is other instruments". LMFAO. Beautifully said.
Mistake was so obvious for me even on round 1, as it is my problem now. After 32 years of playing single pedal, it needs too much practice to get used to double pedals, also playing even, keeping the bpm and with correct groove.
Dear Mr. Arslan, 1) I found out the mistake in the last round.. 2) I learnt a lot from your teaching in this series since the end of 2019! Over the past year, I have been focusing on improving my double bass drumming with the guidance of this series and a book. I worried about your health since you stopped uploading new videos into this series in early 2020. Glad to see you are continuing the work. As a scientist&drummer, I like your rigor and knowledge!! I really appreciate your work. Wishing you the best in 2021. - Yao
Very happy to know this:) And I am really thankful for you concern. Everything is okey, I've just had to focus some other things when I gave break but I've returned now and want to make much more videos. I wish you a great year with health, music and good times with your beloved ones. Btw I really wonder which book you are using for guidance🙂
@@ErceArslan Hi Erce, I have been using the written by Bobby Rondinelli and Michael Lauren. I also played through the with my feet, which did not work well for me. These (two books and your video) are the three serious trials for practicing double bass. Thanks again for sharing your experience and knowledge!! Let's keep drumming!
You're sharing this priceless experience and knowledges. Thank you man
It was super interesting, and I think i'm guilty of making this mistake, I will watch my playing closely.
I noticed it in the take with the kick triggers. Before that, I knew that something was off but I didn't know exactly what. Great job!
Thank you! I recommend you to exercise single offbeats as much as you can. Like on my lesson 1, exercise 4.
@@ErceArslan Thanks for the tip. It is a great exercise, I usually do it after I've warmed up. And sometimes I change it up a little and play the first two eight notes of a triplet with my left foot. That seems to be helping with the doubles too.
Excellent video and information. Thanks!!!
Actually on the first round. Honestly.
That might be due to some different facts.
1. I have nearfield monitors (fluid audio f4) at my desktop, they're pretty honest.
2. I already trained my awareness to what I call "popcorn" when trying to identify healtoe-drummers in extreme metal - you can find it out in many cases because mastering doubles to machine-like precision is difficult as f*** and it seems hardly anyone truly got it.
Nevertheless, it's extremely interesting anyways, because yes, when changing to higher frequencies it becomes more obvious. That teaches me a lot, mainly a) using samples with a big part of high frequencies is better for practicing to become tighter and b) when playing live it's maybe a good idea to use a non-aggressive (lower) kick sample unless you are 100% sure you can do it precisely.
Right?
Thanks a lot for this demonstration!
Great video, almost as good as your t-shirt.Bazinga!!!!!
Awesome work! I have learned almost everything I know about double bass drumming from this series, thank you!
On round one I thought that the second take was better and I guessed the mistake correctly. On the second round I was like 80% sure and when I still heard that same thing on the third round I was 100% sure.
Glad to hear that:) You are welcome. By the way if you understand something wrong on Round 1 that's enough.. don't need to know the exact problem if you are not experienced with recordings so much.. you have trained ears very well. Good job:D
I understood the difference in the 2nd round. Thanks for the video.. Very detailed
Thats a problem that I notived recently on my drumming. I heard the mistake in take 1 but only because I thought that this was the reason the video is about.
Double bass Jesus you have risen again!! 😂❤️🙏🙏
I found this video quite informative, i heard the oddity somewhat in the middle of the first listen. But its still interesting that looking back to my own playing for some reason it doesn't catch an eye so fast when its my own recording, at least to my ears. Definitely need to watch more of your videos in detail from now on there's lot to learn every day :D
This lesson is father of all the other double bass lessons
Sir you have awsome teaching abilities ❤️❤️💯
Happy new year ❤️🎆
Thank you Dhruv:) Happy new year to you too with your beloved ones.🖤
same experiences in studio .. it's very difficult to correct yourself
03:39 Ok captain you got me haha
😡.... 😂😂
round 3 for me, and our sound engineer told me about exactly the same mistake. Painfully true!
It took me till the third round 😅 I'm been drumming for about a year. Somethings are still very new to me. But when I heard it, everything made sense.
Great catch for 1 year!
I realized something wrong on round 3 or 4, can't remember.
If you watched all the video, it would be because 1 of this 2:
- You like the guy and the channel
- You really wanna know more about drumming
Awesome and very scientific lesson. I am scared for my next recording session! I hope the engineer hasn't watched this video. Shit, I forgot, it's me!
Abi 1 de ufaktan belli etti, 2 de netleşti . Bu arada emeğine sağlık, keyifle takip ediyor ve feyz alıyoruz ! :)
One of the Reasons I focus on 1 Limb at at a Time as you are only as fast as your Weakest Limb
Aradaki fark ilk örneklerde açıkça duyuluyor. Vuruşlar arasındaki hafif düzensizlikler seziliyor. Çok ince ince kaydedip grafiklerle ispatlama gayretinizi görünce kendim yoruldum :D Ben aslında bu durumu hata olarak ele almıyorum. Her vuruşu her sesi prüsüz bir mükemmellikle kaydetmek çok zor. Zaten gerek de yok. İnsan beyni öyle işlemiyor. Aslına bakarsanız insana özgü bu tür hafif hataları insan beyninin daha çok sevdiği ve bu hatalarla yapılan kayıtları daha çok benimsediğine yönelik bazı araştırmalar da var.
Bahsettiğiniz şey doğallık. Doğallık ile hata arasında kalın bir çizgi vardır.
I didn't hear the timing mistake at first but it did sound like the right foot was louder than the left.
That's because they have slightly different tunings
What is your best advice for improving these issues?
I guessed correctly on the first round; but that's probably because I've also been working on this exact issue for the past few weeks.
If you directly understood on Round 1, you are really working for this so much:) which is great..
3. tekrarda yakalamanın haklı gururunu benimle paylaşır mısınız :)
WARNING... long comment !!!
I noticed something strange in round 1, but I couldn't identify it exactly as a timing problem. To my ear it sounded like groups of 4 16th with a tiny rest between each group instead of a straight and continous series of 16th, if that makes sense to you, and I thought it wasn't exactly a mistake if that's what the drummer wants to do. In round 2, it was clearer that it wasn't an intentional pattern, and with round 3 it was pretty obvious it was a mistake.
When you asked why we sometimes don't realize these mistakes unless the are so obvious, my first thought was "bass guitar". Distorted guitars and other instruments as well, of course, but for me bass guitar is key since it shares the low frequencies with bass drums and it can mask the lack of precision, since, in addition, a bass guitar note can have a longer sustain than a bass drum note. This effect happens not only in fast and distorted metal music, but others as well. So, maybe other instruments are "our enemies" concerning our practice time and precission training, but bassists are our best allies on a stage... 😋
And this far in my long comment, I don't remember if you mentioned it, but there's another reason why our brain tricks us... because it likes logic and order. Since we're all in the music context, and we all know that it is supposed to be a 16th double bass pattern, our brain interprets it like this unless the mistake is so obvious it can't be ignored. If an alien or a cave man, who knows nothing about metal music, rock, or any other modern music style, listened to it, he'd probably notice the difference at first glance (even if that didn't mean anything to him). It happens the same with vision: our eyes don't really perceive 100% of what we see, but our brain fills the gaps in a logic way to give it a sense, and the same with language: if we could only interpret what other people say to us in a literal way, most of it wouldn't make no sense. With sound and music (that at the end of the day is another language), it's the same.
And finally, to end such a long and tedious comment, of course it is important to practice, use the metronome and play with precission, but don't get obsessed with it. As you said, we're all humans, not machines. This kind of not so obvious mistakes are easily fixable in a studio and mostly unnoticeable on stage, and after all, if it ain't fun, playing music worths no shit.
PS: Erce, I've been following all this series of videos and I can't have but good words about them, and this one ain't a exception. The clarity of your explanations and technique demonstrations makes them very useful. I've been playing for roughly 27 years and yet these still help me to improve one of my weakest points, the double bass playing (still working on it), so thanks for taking the time and work of doing it. I don't know why I never subscribed before, maybe I'm just a lazy ass, but today this mistake is fixed.... 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Thank you for your precious comment🙏. It has really good points and it was entertaining to read 😂
I will think about your thoughts especially you wrote on 3rd paragraph. And thanks again for for your kind words.. And I am really glad to be of help.
@@ErceArslan 😉
I didn't feel that in take 4 the double time snares covered up the mistake. For some reason the contrast between the snare and the kick makes it more obvious to feel that "swingy" pulse of the timing mistake. But after going through some examples already I might looking for the mistake too much ;d Happy new year!
That is a great point of view btw.. You may be right about TAKE 4. The only way to understand it to make a scientific test on at least 1000 drummers. I wish we could😂 Happy new year to you too!!
hi Erce, can you make judas priest-beyond the realms of death doble bass drum cover.Amazing video by the way
ROUND 2
Altyazı hala yok Erce Hocam
Şimdi ekledim.. Dün çevir çevir bitmedi uyuyakaldım😆 Anlamadığınız bir yer olursa, söyleyin düzelteyim.
Erce Arslan :)) Kralsın Reis !
hocam türkçe alt yazıyı unutmuşsun saygılar :)
Unutmadım, 1-2 saate ekleyeceğim:)🙏
Bence bu ingilizce öğrenmeniz için bir vesile, saygılar.
@@omerislam6392 haklısınız büyük eksiklik çat pat bilmekle olmuyor teşekkür ederim yorumunuz için saygılar :)
Round 3 ✌️
I thought that the left kick was weaker than the right one. I think my ears are not so trained. But I'm not a double bass drummer, I don't have the experience.
No what you say is true.. They are not equally tuned. So there is a tiny difference on their sound.
kendisine ben makine değilim diyen bir makine !
😂🙏
Crap dude, i realized on round 4
Round 4😅