Getting Down To Bare Bones on The Smith Spreader | Engels Coach Shop
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- Removing both front and rear axles and breaking loose all the rusted, frozen parts, we're getting down to the basic wood frame of this Smith spreader. Through this process I'm gaining a good feel for how this spreader worked. Thanks for coming along!
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The fact that you can look at that pile of firewood and scrap iron, and know what each part is, and where it should be, is both baffling and amazing. Absolutely love watching you go through the process.
I agree totally.
It's logic and engineering principles. But I'm still just as impressed! I'm my hands, it would've been dismantled alright, but it would be so much scrap and dried out wood. Glad Dave's the one on the tools.
Well said,and I would have dropped something on my feet,Smashed a hand and splinters for a week,
So true and these videos and pictures will really help a lot in getting things back to original...its all about the achievement
for me the most impressive is that he is pretty much dismantling everything before putting it back together
whereas for myself i would have forgotten where half of it went about halfway down, of course some things you can't really avoid (you need to remove everything to replace the side frames) but i would have had new pieces ready in the same time i was dismantling other stuff
There is something graceful and kind about the way Dave whacks things with a hammer and burns them. I don't know exactly what it is.
So many components. Such an impressive tribute to the ancestors. Can’t wait for what follows.
Holy smoke Dave, hope you remember how it goes back together. Fascinating watching you take this old stuff apart.
Dave you are a master rebuilder of American history. It's a pleasure to watch and listen as you disassemble, repair or refurbish and put it all back together. Stay safe.
Attaching that gear and using it as a lever to remove that other stuck part was simultaneously simple and ingenious!
The missus must love trying to get your jeans clean after working on some of these projects! lol
I have to say I’m much more interested in seeing Dave rebuild this manure wagon than the sheep wagon
Always great to see you saving a lot of the old hardware, its sad but most people don't understand how well it was made and how hard it is to make again. Great video, thanks for taking the time to share it with us...
I remember seeing these around in a little better shape when I was a kid. Can’t wait to see this one done.
As ever i am amazed at the accumulated knowledge in your mind and in those well practiced hands of things you never saw when new but you just look at it and figure it out anyway, I'm always sad that when people like you depart all the real knowledge goes with you, so well done for doing these videos, but I feel sad that it'll only be other old men that will bother trying to keep these old things going and before very long it'll just never happen again and the history will be lost forever.
Dave is just like a modern Sherlock Holmes in that he can look at what he has and see the intricate parts that bring the whole together. Amazing
Dave , I see why you want to restore this spreader , it has great castings , worth saving for the future . Keep on truckin .
It is obvious that you are enjoying the process. I was excited for this project to start becuse of your obvious passion for it. Your enjoyment enhances my own!
In all the videos I have seen following you for several years now, I have never seen you struggle this hard on ANY of your past projects! This manure spreader is a MONSTER !......love your show !
Dave, I’ve watched you rebuild at least a hundred pieces of old wheels and equipment over the years. This has to be the most complicated mechanical and structural piece you’ve tackled. Yes?
Bravo for taking it on. You have my full attention and respect. Good luck figuring out the easiest and best way to do it!
I like the way you say “ let’s see if I can get this off”. We know you’re not quitting until it’s off.😊
Having been surrounded with old treasures ( crap, to others) I salute you for find the time to film and post these videos. having read the previous comments about where it goes back now its easier with the advent of cameras on everything, phone etc, the ability to look back.years ago it was note books greasy fingers prints and if you were lucky letter punches. thanks again Mr E.
Incredible the amount of castings just on this one machine. The foundries back then must have been running red-hot.
Thanks for inviting us to follow along I watched it twice,theirs no extra charge is there, anyways it would be worth it 🤗😎🤗😎
It takes a special type of guy to take the time to preserve such a utilitarian piece of equipment. Thank you. God Bless.
In my travels I have come across abandoned wagons and other very old farm machinery and even a very old train carriage, body only, made of wood and the wood was of such quality when it was made that the joints and frames always have really crisp lines though they are severly weatherd and broken where iron bolts go thru them.
Thanks for your videos.
I’m constantly amazed how well preserved all those metal parts are. If they had been sitting outside in the UK for that long, dis-assembly would have been impossible, in fact even identifying the rusted wreck would have been impossible. The wood would have been long-gone!
the man who parked that spreader in the weeds probably never expected it to ever move again. when its finished i hope that you load it up and use it once. thanks
I am just amazed that you will put that spreader back together and have it working like the day it was originally made. WOW!
However, this is probably the only job he won't
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*WON'T STAND BEHIND!*
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Who would guess getting MOTION between two metal pieces would be so satisfying!!! And the Bed Chain links look like they are a specialty link....yes? Thanks D & D!!
Your ability to work these broken puzzles never ceases to amaze me.
Thank goodness you have the carefully structured videos of the disassembly for reference and have kept the milled wood structural members for a map/blueprint/templates of this wagons essential wooden parts so they can be re-made correctly sized and milled as needed. I did not realize how many specialized castings and machined metal parts in addition to all the milled structial wooden members were used for this horse drawn spreader. Ray
I have been with you since the Borax wagon wheels quite a few years ago and this rebuild is one of the most interesting and puzzling projects I have watched you tackle. You will need all your wits and experience about you. Enjoying immensely. Good luck with it.
RE: the acetone mix. I've found that if it is over a few hours old, the acetone has pretty much evaporated out of the mix, especially in an eagle pump can that doesn't seal well. Mix up small batches that'll get used up fast or top up the acetone before the next session. You might help it out by putting the can in a ziplock bag or big ricotta cheese container. Once it builds a little vapor pressure, it won't evaporate as fast.
.....really enjoying this process, you are a very interesting person with knowledge few would possess in this day and age.
Nice use of the honorable "Scout Crafter" 50/50. Nice work Dave!
The castings on this machine are just works of art. Absolutely beautiful.
I am convinced - give you sawzall, blowtorch, hammer, and a couple of wrenches, and you could dismantle an aircraft carrier in a couple of hours.
I just wonder how many splinters you've endured working with all that firewood.
Well done, Dave! Well done!
It’s amazing what they were able to accomplish back when this was made. The amount of different castings alone is incredible.
Watching this channel has exposed me to the technology behind horse drawn wagons for the first time, even though I am older. I had no idea how mush iron work was used in these 19th century wagons! I am curious, when did our ancestors start using iron work in these wagons?
Another fascinating video Dave. I can only echo the comments about how complex the reassembly might be.
Hope you & Dianne stay safe & well.
So you end up with a huge pile of metal parts. Can not imagine how on earth you put them all back together. Guessing you must tag and mark them all more than you are showing. Well plus you know what you are doing. Looking forward to you putting it all back together.
This project is fasinating. Really looking forward to seeing it come together and seeing how it operates.
I am ready to watch you reassemble the spreader.
Mr. Dave, over the years and the videos and the work that you have done, I don't doubt anything else, the cart of borax pulled by mules, the Quaker buggies, the wagons, everything done like in the 1920s. Congratulations and on Tuesday we will be here waiting for the next class.
It's impressive how well the castings have survived. The wood's toast, and the fasteners are too far beyond 'surface rust' to save, but those cast iron parts will be mint once they're sand blasted. Can't wait for the next installment!
Another outstanding video. It seemed like the time flew past, I am still in awe how you remember where each piece goes and what it does and I am very happy to listen when you explain the history and /or function of the different pieces and assemblies.
I thought, how is he going to keep all that straight? Then I thought he's got his video!
I continue to admire how nicely designed the castings are. Functional AND beautiful to look at !
Winner Winner chicken dinner removing the shafts was a real task the video made it look easy.
I see most of the bolts are not in terrible shape I guess they didn’t use street salt to melt the snow long ago haha 😆
Those cast brackets are rather handsome.
Nice job Dave, I look forward to your next experiment!
Looking good Dave, coming apart with the different lubes and heat and beat and looking forward to the final 50/50 mix in your next video. Great work you're doing , thanks for sharing with us. Fred.
a very complex machine for its time. I think that it is safe to say that it was quite an investment back in the day. thanks for sharing.
There are so many parts! I hope you are keeping track of where they all go! If you put it together backwards it will collect manure instead! 👍😀😉
Anxious to see how the 50-50 mix works for you. 👍👍👍
I was very happy to see you trying all the different suggestions and then was really good to hear your assessment!
Lots of hardware on that front axle & fifth wheel !!!
You were even able to prevent any damage to the original castings considering the removal processes.
Great work !!!
PHD course in rusty bolt removal right here !!!
The more I watch you take this spreader apart the more I think holy smokes that is one tough project with a lot of moving parts. In it for the long haul.
I started using the 50/50 acetone/ atf about 7 years ago. I too have tried all different types of penetrating oils. I found that it works the best on exhaust nuts on cars. especially the “ball and socket studs” with the tension springs where you really don’t want to use a torch unless you have new springs. I haven’t broke one since.
Really interesting can't wait for you to start putting it back together. Thanks Dave
feeling rather old like your manure spreader I enjoyed watching it maybe one day somebody will restore and refurbish me like you are the manure wagon
Very enjoyable to watch. Thanks Dave
Hi from Spilsby, Lincolnshire, UK. Fantastic stuff as ever Dave. Thank you.
Hi from Stroud Gloucestershire UK
Hello from Oxford England 🏴
Awesome job Mr. Engels .May GOD bless.
I like the head to head comparisons of the various penetrating "sauces" to see which might be most effective. Cool stuff. Loving this poop flinger project!
Oven chain lubricant might be really helpful when you are heating seriously stuck irreplaceable old parts. You are lucky that it has been about 75 years since this machine actually spread any manure. Today it probably smells fresh as sun dried laundry. I want to experiment with adding fine graphite to both melted bees wax and paraffin wax and form a candle like lube stick.
Kriol
I use it when resurrecting an old firearm
It works great for me. I soak all screws or connectors a day ahead and it amazes me how well that works.
I know this isn't a concern for you, having years of experience working on horse drawn equipment, but for me, I would be rebuilding the rear axle system before I disassembled the front axle system just so I would not loose sight of the assembly over time. Love watching you work. Thanks for sharing.
That was a work out! It must have been an expensive piece of kit in its day.
You really have your work ahead of you.
Just for fun, try 50/50 break fluid and atf , I have used it 15 years or so it has worked great for me. Just avoid getting on paint that you want to keep 😮 . Great video as always 👍
Thank you. Please keep sharing every single step.
Always enjoy, always learn. Thanks, Dave.
Lot of pieces, lot of iron. I wonder what is the weight of the completed machine? Also, given the number of castings, etc., how much would one have cost, back in the day? Pretty expensive, I would guess. Dave is doing a lot of work! Must be a labor of love. I hope he loves it.
It is just amazing to me that after you sand blast these castings, like the ones on the rear axle, that they look like they just came from the foundry. I wonder what 3D printer parts will look like after 100 plus years of hard use, sitting outside? Probably not so good.
Thank you for the update sir, enjoyed the video, looking forward to the next video.😊
Thanks Dave
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience!
As Scoutcrafter always says..."Don't be stingy with the 50/50!". 👍👍😀😉
Been watching for several years an in this video as you disassemble there were some bolts just cut an others painstakingly taken apart. Please explain the your choices. Always enjoyed your videos both in content and editing. As always looking forward to the next one. I am a great full viewer
yea, made it here again. the hardware on manure spreader is incredible design.
After 50 years of working on old machinery I depend on Kroil (AeroKroil) penetrating fluid. It's what most old iron mechanics go to after trying all the fad formulas. One old timer told me to try plain water to loosen up things and it actually works surprisingly well on old dry iron.
Sounds like someone needs to watch a Project Farm video to me. Spoiler Kroil comes in last place. Now search for Project Farm penetrating oil and see what's number one.
About the three rust release agents. Wax and heat, seems simple and cheap. No weird chemistry floating around and as simple as wax. Did I mention cheap and effective enough to work on most applications. Not an advocate but just a critical observer. Jus' say'n. lol
I watched a video about building a rifle from scratch with the technology of the Revolutionary period. It mentioned that the fasteners were all individually made and had no standard, so that each bolt had it's own nut and probably no other nut would fit (thread pitch and diameter). I noticed that all the nuts on you spreader were square, a great help for farmers with adjustable tools. Hex nuts are a lot easier to round off with poor fitting wrenches. But at least your bolts have a standard diameter and pitch so they can be replaced when unsalvageable.
Oh my. I hope you literature on how it gets reassembled.
I do enjoy these firwwood restoration video's so much
I've been using stuff called Ed's Red or similar for years. You can look it up online. Basically. ATF plus solvents, such as kerosene, acetone, however you want it to perform. Bloody good stuff to have 'round. Cleans rifle barrels, too.
When confronted with rusted and frozen bolts as well as the oxey torch I used an impact gun with double hex sockets on square nuts (even cheap ones work) heat the nuts up as you do and liberally spray with CRC or equivalent start with undoing then reverse (you might have to do that several times) don't be frightened to spray penetrating oil (CRC) in most tries it will be much quicker, double hex sockets work on square nuts fine, right size of course, impact guns use shock as opposed to tension its the shock that does the work.
As you probably already know, acetone and ATF do not mix so you will need to give the can a good shake every time you use it. Project Farm found Liquid Wrench to be the best. As with all penetrants, patience and time are needed.
That's definitely going to be a puzzle to piece back together, well for me it would be. 😅
I'm with you all the way on this build would like to have the same opportunity to do the same thing. I want the T shirt when they come out.
don't know if already suggested but just diesel works pretty well!
as I grew up in a port and have seen diesel get out yet water not get in!
used it for years as I heat then quench with it to get it to wick
everyone has their favourite I guess but there is another east option to try should you get bored!
best wishes to you and family
thanks as always for sharing :)
...............👍 Most interesting; Thanks for The Borax Wagons.
You can always use these videos to put them back together!😊
One helluva jigsaw puzzle.
Have you ever tried DOT3 brake flid for penetrating oil? put a drop on a piece of rusty something and watch it wick uphill.
thanks for your show dave
Your videos and explanations are Always interesting and educational and a joy to watch.
As to penetrating oils on rusty bolts, nuts, hubs, gears. shafts, etc.
Simply out of curiosity, Have you ever tried just plain old water? Maybe even hot? I mean after all that’s why the things have rusted together, isn’t it?
There’s an old Chinese proverb about not being able to move something and using water!
Seriously, we had an old Russian farmer and neighbor and he swore by it… I have to admit, though I never tried it.. it seemed too simple. But now, looking back, KISS - keep it simple. stupid - comes to mind. LOL.
Just a thought.
Be well, take care and keep on keeping on,
Ed Belledin
Any lube is better than no lube but the hot wrench always wins
For you disassembling your rusted project you should try a product called Castrol Moly‐Dee. It's advertised use is a tapping lubricant but it's the absolute best stuff for seized ss on ss parts and if you get it on your clothes it will not come out. I think using it with heat on rust might work well.
Don't be stingy with the 50/50 😂. The Scoutcrafter concoction should do the trick. Keep up the excellent content. Cheers
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Brother I couldnt take enough pictures of that mess to even think about putting it back together !