I love watching you ply your disappearing trade. As a carpenter and a history nut all my life all the shuttle little things you do to enrich the old are all appreciated. You are truly a Master at your trade….thankyou.
Some kind of a secure metal box hidden somewhere with their valuable . They didn't always trust the bankers and their banks back then. You did a fantastic job putting the tailgate back together with all the old parts and pieces of wood. It will be a fabulous looking work of beauty by Dave when all said and done. Stay safe and keep up the great videos and work you master. Fred.
18:20 Because the key was permanently attached (the hole of the key won't go over the head of the nail). I don't think it was for a strong box that you'd need access to it now and again (there'd be more than one hole in the area, where the key was removed and replaced). 💖🌞🌵😷
It's s pad lock key you can tell by the bitting. I'd imagine the key went to the pad lock for the grain hatch and they nailed the second/spare key that came with it to the inside of the grain hatch so they'd always know where it was if they lost the master key. If it was for a "strong box" you wouldn't put the spare key to it anywhere other ppl could see it.
Using a farrier's hammer for shop work! I have a few in my shop that get used all the time, and I've never had a horse in there 😄 These are great tools. We love your channel, Mr. Dave!
Anyone else shake their head in admiration while watching Dave try his darndest to clock all of those slot-headed screw holding the hinges in place at around 8 minutes? As always Dave: Thanks so much for allowing us along on this journey! Stay safe.
The hinges reminded me of a 1920s farm wagon I bought at auction in the early '80s. The hinges on the wooden tail gates were held on with slotted flat head screws, slotted round heads, clinched nails (unblievable), a square head lag bolt, a rivet with a washer chicken s*it welded on the other side with wood burned so far away as to not contact it. Also all the axle castlated nuts were held on with bent nails, not cotter pins. The hinges in this video are works of art compared to that rough wagon.
@@charleshettrick2408-- But if you think about it, it tells a story and adds to the character of the wagon. Probably some old farmer doing the best he could with what he had. Money was probably hard to come by and the hardware store far away. Some farmers probably would have made their own hardware if they had a Blacksmith set up. I've been told all kinds of stories by my grandparents about what they did to survive on the farm back in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Of course they are long gone now, but I remember the stories.
@charleshettrick2408 - that whole wagon has a lot of character from its past !! Love watching Dave at work - probably seen most, if not ALL his videos !! Amazing gift he has !!
Good idea about addressing the types of hammers you use, and also you seem to be the most patient man in the world please share your secret or let us know what your work place frustrations are
You should visit a locksmith with that key. Get him to provide a padlock that it will operate, and get a new key made for normal use. The owners will then have a "spare". Two thumbs up for replacing it, too!!
I remember how my grandfather, before bending a nail, used pliers to turn the tip of the nail 90 degrees and, after bending it, hammered it into the board. It looked nice and secure, and the tip of the bend never rose above the board or scratched your hands.
Thank you Engels for re-translating or subtitling your videos in Spanish. The truth is that I saw that it had the subtitle in English and I did not understand anything of what you were explaining or giving your explanation. Thank you again
The key looks like one for an old "Master" shackle lock. They were cheap and quite common, the body was made by stacking plates riveted together. The lock was probably used to keep the tailgate closed. The spare key was nailed inside the tailgate to keep it safe. "Just in case".
Simply bending over the nails at first seemed unusual but then I remembered the original lasted over 100 years. Those old timers knew a few things didn’t they! Thoroughly enjoy the videos, and learn from most every one, thanks for the education.
Riveting is all good and well but like my dad, we used what we had to getter done. My dad was a wiz at nailing stuff and such together. Always held together. He grew up very poor. Nails was all they could afford.
Hello. I am from Uruguay, and in an hotel I worked several years ago there were individual security boxes for the guests and the keys were like that. That security boxes were from early 1900s.
I’m still waiting for my apprenticeship paperwork! Can you imagine those videos? Dave “What do you see over here apprentice?” Me “A pile of rotten wood?” Dave “Exactly, a manure spreader. Let’s get to work rebuilding it!” The only channel where “junk” is truly a four letter word. Love this channel
Dave, I think some time you need to give us a hammer tour. What every hammer is for and why you use of for a specific task. You sure use a variety of hammers
Always enjoy watching you work, The key looks like it goes with a Master Lock Warded Padlock they've been around for years. Thanks for letting us watch.
That key is kinda neet. I found a lock a Yale with a 5 near the where the key inserts. I do not have a key for it but seeing your key makes me think that shape might go into my lock. I'm not trying to get your key, but I thought I would use a piece of metal and try my hand at making a key. I'm really interested in these two projects. It's pretty cool. 110 or twenty years ago your state has had bunch of sheep. like in the millions
Reminds me of being a kid. If I wanted nails or lumber they had to come from scrap. Nice to see that juvenile skills can be elevated to art. Thank You Mr. Engle.
I remember watching my dad rub a big lump of bees wax on wood screw threads, the same way you do. He sure was a good carpenter, and always took pride in his work. Skill wise, I would put him on a plane very close to yours.
That key was probably to the safe deposit box back east, where the shepherd kept his/her real money. Every time they would open the grain door to feed the flock, it would remind them there was a back-up plan!
Evening Dave and Diane, It always gives me a grin, when I think why is he doing it like that?, and within the next minute or so you say "I'm doing it like this because of ......." Thanks for taking us along with you, and Thank you to the boss for doing all the editing😊. Regards Richard 🇬🇧😅
🇬🇧 I agree. You can't second guess the Engels restoration team. Brings history to life and somehow keeps the mystery and untold stories intact for us to wonder at. That said, the farm stories are also so pleasant to view.
Bettin that that key is a spare one for a pad lock that went on the hasp to lock the wagon. Hidden just in case the one used all the time was lost. Looks like an old master lock key.
You gotta love a good mystery like that! I really like your little wood scratch bin pan. I've gotten heck for my scratch bins but working on my sheep wagon I've had to dig through it quite a bit to find screws from the right time period. Thanks for the video!
That gate is really coming together... the motley appearance of the wood is just like the underside of the floorboards in my house (which evidently was built with lumber salvaged from a nearby air base that was closed down after WWII).
I think that you idea of a sorting box for fasteners is brilliant. No more scooping, dropping, chasing elusive items from the bench top. Another wee example of working smart. Thanks.
Actually, I was getting a kick out of it and was laughing the whole time. I'm glad he's putting it back together the way it was instead of doing it right and professional. It's something of a folk art piece now.
I‘ve got a garden shed built by the formner owner of my house, nailed together, nails bent over. Still solid after 50 years. Sometimes my grandfather put the nails in a jar with water and vinegar before using, so they would rust and have an ever firmer grip in the wodd.
I bet that key went to the tool shed where the shovels (and other tools) are kept - securely locked up. I love that you put it right back on there. It helps tell the story of its past life and would be lonely without it. Great journey!
That's a padlock key. I imagine it was for a lock hanging on that tailgate hasp, and someone got tired of unlocking it and just nailed the key in place so it wouldn't get lost, in case they needed the lock again. Wonderful job of getting that hasp back exactly how it was!
I love your dedication to authenticity, some of that cabinetry made me cringe. I especially liked the fact that you nailed the key back. Some latch key kid might find his way home because of your attention to detail!
In a later video where you install an iron onto the door, it has a hasp to put a lock on and secure the inside of the wagon. My hunch is that this is the spare key to the long lost lock, hidden so if the first key was lost the shepherd could still get inside.
I was about to give you a hard time for using that little farrier’s hammer then you went with something with a little more heft. You really have to have a very precise aim to use that little hammer. Always enjoy your videos, thanks
Oh I love to see the nails bent over. My grandfather showed me how to straighten out nails to use them again. It came from the depression. The nails today are that shoddy they are lucky to make it through timber the first ime. .
The other day you mentioned that you as a carpenter didn’t normally like clinching the nails points over. It was a very effective method to keep the nails from working there way out do to weathering. Ive seen many barn doors with nail clinched over and any that weren’t where creeping out
Really enjoy your fabulous content . Was glad to see the key went back . I renovate old buildings in the uk and in the timbers and brickwork quite often find keys ,coins, clay pipes even boots that have been hidden for a hundred years and more . I always put them back respectfully. Like to think it was a apprentice get his own back on a bully boss
Thanks for the update, I appreciate and enjoyed the video, It is actually a pleasure to see some one using hammer and nails to assemble component parts, true hands on craftsmanship. Looking forward to seeing the finish product.
My guess is there was once a padlock that that key fit into, maybe a spare key for it. Even the latch you just remounted to your new door could accommodate such a padlock. Maybe an old Master or Sargent; that key looks a lot like one my grandfather had for a padlock he used.
I thought I’d drop you a note I’ve been watching you for a long time and you surely do know what you’re doing and you do very good work so I thought I’d say hi and my parents in the state of Maine where it’s a little bit chilly, and a little bit snow on the ground. Hi hi God bless.
I recognize that style key from my childhood. I had a bicycle padlock that took a key just like it. I suspect that was the "spare key" for the padlock that kept the door locked. But how you'd get to the spare key if you were outside with it locked would be a real challenge. I liked how you used the hasp hooks over even though you had to add a bit of weld on the rusty one.
Looks good! Maybe the mystery key was to a box or cabinet in the wagon for items he didn’t want anyone helping them self too. Odds are the key was out of sight in a small space with a man’s belongings all over the place?
I would be curious to see a test board, treated as you have been doing, left outside in a drive shed where it got some exposure to direct sunlight and ambient humidity and occasional blowing rain.
I love watching you ply your disappearing trade. As a carpenter and a history nut all my life all the shuttle little things you do to enrich the old are all appreciated. You are truly a Master at your trade….thankyou.
Some kind of a secure metal box hidden somewhere with their valuable . They didn't always trust the bankers and their banks back then. You did a fantastic job putting the tailgate back together with all the old parts and pieces of wood. It will be a fabulous looking work of beauty by Dave when all said and done. Stay safe and keep up the great videos and work you master. Fred.
I agree, it looks like vault or Strongbox key.
18:20 Because the key was permanently attached (the hole of the key won't go over the head of the nail). I don't think it was for a strong box that you'd need access to it now and again (there'd be more than one hole in the area, where the key was removed and replaced). 💖🌞🌵😷
It's s pad lock key you can tell by the bitting. I'd imagine the key went to the pad lock for the grain hatch and they nailed the second/spare key that came with it to the inside of the grain hatch so they'd always know where it was if they lost the master key.
If it was for a "strong box" you wouldn't put the spare key to it anywhere other ppl could see it.
Using a farrier's hammer for shop work! I have a few in my shop that get used all the time, and I've never had a horse in there 😄 These are great tools. We love your channel, Mr. Dave!
Thanks. I was wondering about the hammer.
If I'm remembering correctly, his favorite 14-inch rasp is out of the farrier's catalog as well.
So glad to see you put that key back, nice touch, Dave!
Anyone else shake their head in admiration while watching Dave try his darndest to clock all of those slot-headed screw holding the hinges in place at around 8 minutes? As always Dave: Thanks so much for allowing us along on this journey! Stay safe.
The hinges reminded me of a 1920s farm wagon I bought at auction in the early '80s. The hinges on the wooden tail gates were held on with slotted flat head screws, slotted round heads, clinched nails (unblievable), a square head lag bolt, a rivet with a washer chicken s*it welded on the other side with wood burned so far away as to not contact it. Also all the axle castlated nuts were held on with bent nails, not cotter pins. The hinges in this video are works of art compared to that rough wagon.
@@charleshettrick2408-- But if you think about it, it tells a story and adds to the character of the wagon. Probably some old farmer doing the best he could with what he had. Money was probably hard to come by and the hardware store far away. Some farmers probably would have made their own hardware if they had a Blacksmith set up. I've been told all kinds of stories by my grandparents about what they did to survive on the farm back in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Of course they are long gone now, but I remember the stories.
@charleshettrick2408 - that whole wagon has a lot of character from its past !! Love watching Dave at work - probably seen most, if not ALL his videos !! Amazing gift he has !!
Good idea about addressing the types of hammers you use, and also you seem to be the most patient man in the world please share your secret or let us know what your work place frustrations are
You should visit a locksmith with that key. Get him to provide a padlock that it will operate, and get a new key made for normal use. The owners will then have a "spare". Two thumbs up for replacing it, too!!
I remember how my grandfather, before bending a nail, used pliers to turn the tip of the nail 90 degrees and, after bending it, hammered it into the board. It looked nice and secure, and the tip of the bend never rose above the board or scratched your hands.
Thank you for a good time watching. 👌👌👍👍
Dave, I look forward to all of your videos. Thanks for taking time to film, edit and post. You remind me why I'm proud to be an American.
Thank you Engels for re-translating or subtitling your videos in Spanish. The truth is that I saw that it had the subtitle in English and I did not understand anything of what you were explaining or giving your explanation. Thank you again
You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
The key looks like one for an old "Master" shackle lock. They were cheap and quite common, the body was made by stacking plates riveted together. The lock was probably used to keep the tailgate closed. The spare key was nailed inside the tailgate to keep it safe. "Just in case".
Took the words out of my mouth. I have a key like that.
Simply bending over the nails at first seemed unusual but then I remembered the original lasted over 100 years. Those old timers knew a few things didn’t they! Thoroughly enjoy the videos, and learn from most every one, thanks for the education.
That aged wood finish looks better each week.
Cuz it's getting older!
Riveting is all good and well but like my dad, we used what we had to getter done. My dad was a wiz at nailing stuff and such together. Always held together. He grew up very poor. Nails was all they could afford.
I'm really enjoying the "purposefully aged" aesthetic that this build has going on.
Hello. I am from Uruguay, and in an hotel I worked several years ago there were individual security boxes for the guests and the keys were like that. That security boxes were from early 1900s.
"hostages" is probably not the English word you want
Certainly not, I wanted to say "guests". But for Google Translator "hostages" was correct.
I’m still waiting for my apprenticeship paperwork! Can you imagine those videos? Dave “What do you see over here apprentice?” Me “A pile of rotten wood?” Dave “Exactly, a manure spreader. Let’s get to work rebuilding it!” The only channel where “junk” is truly a four letter word. Love this channel
Somebody worked overtime designing that gate. Looking good.
Such a joy to watch a craftsman who takes pride in his work.
Dave, I think some time you need to give us a hammer tour. What every hammer is for and why you use of for a specific task. You sure use a variety of hammers
That one today looks like a shoeing hammer.
Great idea!
They’re magic hammers too…he never misses.
The round one with pink tape around the handle was made by his daughter Janelle (who we recently saw rewelding that huge logging wagon tire), iirc.
@@paulstanley31 I have that same hammer that belonged to my grandfather. My dad used it for a shoeing hammer but I’m not sure it’s original purpose?
.............G'day,
just LOVE your work.
Cheers,
Malcolm.
All the mysteries of the rebuild. I enjoyed watching you reconstruct the door for the wagon. Stay safe.
Always enjoy watching you work,
The key looks like it goes with a Master Lock Warded Padlock they've been around for years.
Thanks for letting us watch.
That key is kinda neet. I found a lock a Yale with a 5 near the where the key inserts. I do not have a key for it but seeing your key makes me think that shape might go into my lock. I'm not trying to get your key, but I thought I would use a piece of metal and try my hand at making a key. I'm really interested in these two projects. It's pretty cool. 110 or twenty years ago your state has had bunch of sheep. like in the millions
Reminds me of being a kid. If I wanted nails or lumber they had to come from scrap. Nice to see that juvenile skills can be elevated to art. Thank You Mr. Engle.
*- Dave, your sense of humor about putting the key back were it lived is Mirthfully Irreverent fun.*
So nice to the use of soap on screw threads! My Dad showed that trick .
I remember watching my dad rub a big lump of bees wax on wood screw threads, the same way you do. He sure was a good carpenter, and always took pride in his work. Skill wise, I would put him on a plane very close to yours.
That key was probably to the safe deposit box back east, where the shepherd kept his/her real money. Every time they would open the grain door to feed the flock, it would remind them there was a back-up plan!
Looking good and you have a great eye for detail. Thank you for a good time watching. God Bless.
Evening Dave and Diane, It always gives me a grin, when I think why is he doing it like that?, and within the next minute or so you say "I'm doing it like this because of ......." Thanks for taking us along with you, and Thank you to the boss for doing all the editing😊. Regards Richard 🇬🇧😅
🇬🇧 I agree. You can't second guess the Engels restoration team. Brings history to life and somehow keeps the mystery and untold stories intact for us to wonder at.
That said, the farm stories are also so pleasant to view.
Bettin that that key is a spare one for a pad lock that went on the hasp to lock the wagon. Hidden just in case the one used all the time was lost. Looks like an old master lock key.
You gotta love a good mystery like that! I really like your little wood scratch bin pan. I've gotten heck for my scratch bins but working on my sheep wagon I've had to dig through it quite a bit to find screws from the right time period. Thanks for the video!
Great work from a skilled craftsman. The key looks like a safe deposit key.
That gate is really coming together... the motley appearance of the wood is just like the underside of the floorboards in my house (which evidently was built with lumber salvaged from a nearby air base that was closed down after WWII).
I think that you idea of a sorting box for fasteners is brilliant. No more scooping, dropping, chasing elusive items from the bench top. Another wee example of working smart. Thanks.
I know why you do it and I perfectly understand it, but to watch you bending nails gives me the shivers.
Actually, I was getting a kick out of it and was laughing the whole time. I'm glad he's putting it back together the way it was instead of doing it right and professional. It's something of a folk art piece now.
I‘ve got a garden shed built by the formner owner of my house, nailed together, nails bent over. Still solid after 50 years. Sometimes my grandfather put the nails in a jar with water and vinegar before using, so they would rust and have an ever firmer grip in the wodd.
Excellent touch re-attaching the old key. It had to be a spare key for something. Thanks.
That looks like a key to an old-style USPO sidewalk mailbox. I wonder if that cart was used to pick up mail in town some time in its history.
Thumbs up Dave. That key was a range key. For the home on the range.
The finishing touch .put the key back where it belongs 👍👍👍👍👍
I bet that key went to the tool shed where the shovels (and other tools) are kept - securely locked up. I love that you put it right back on there. It helps tell the story of its past life and would be lonely without it. Great journey!
Very nice work mr. I love old stuff. I have a soft spot for people restoring stuff.
Love that you put the key back!
Dave that tailgate had more work then my 2017 Ram tailgate ! LOL. Great job
It is great to see that old hammer still driving and clinching nails as well as the day it was made!
That's a padlock key. I imagine it was for a lock hanging on that tailgate hasp, and someone got tired of unlocking it and just nailed the key in place so it wouldn't get lost, in case they needed the lock again.
Wonderful job of getting that hasp back exactly how it was!
i think its amazing that the idea of the wagon has carried thru to truckbed campers. same overhang style.
I enjoy so much Thanks Dave and Diana
I love your dedication to authenticity, some of that cabinetry made me cringe. I especially liked the fact that you nailed the key back. Some latch key kid might find his way home because of your attention to detail!
Love your eye for detail and putting the key back was icing on the cake.
Your attention to detail is just unbelievable!
Spare key in a safe place. The nail head is bigger than the hole in the key so that it won't fall off.
The key probably went to a treasure chest buried out on the range!
In a later video where you install an iron onto the door, it has a hasp to put a lock on and secure the inside of the wagon. My hunch is that this is the spare key to the long lost lock, hidden so if the first key was lost the shepherd could still get inside.
I was about to give you a hard time for using that little farrier’s hammer then you went with something with a little more heft. You really have to have a very precise aim to use that little hammer. Always enjoy your videos, thanks
Another great chapter in the life of this wagon. Thank you for taking us along with you.
Haven’t seen a locking latch like that in a very long time. When you started digging it out I figured out what it was.
The Mystery Key in the manure box. Nice title for valentine novel...
🤔 Been trying to remember where that spare key was! Thanks Dave and Diane! 👋🤠
Oh I love to see the nails bent over. My grandfather showed me how to straighten out nails to use them again. It came from the depression. The nails today are that shoddy they are lucky to make it through timber the first ime. .
The other day you mentioned that you as a carpenter didn’t normally like clinching the nails points over. It was a very effective method to keep the nails from working there way out do to weathering. Ive seen many barn doors with nail clinched over and any that weren’t where creeping out
Really enjoy your fabulous content . Was glad to see the key went back . I renovate old buildings in the uk and in the timbers and brickwork quite often find keys ,coins, clay pipes even boots that have been hidden for a hundred years and more . I always put them back respectfully. Like to think it was a apprentice get his own back on a bully boss
Fantastisch, een mooi museumstuk
Thanks for the update, I appreciate and enjoyed the video, It is actually a pleasure to see some one using hammer and nails to assemble component parts, true hands on craftsmanship. Looking forward to seeing the finish product.
I bet that key fit the lock that was in the hasp. Probably a backup key. 100+ year old Yale padlocks have a key like that.
Great job. You’re keeping history alive
Very cool ! Key problem solved.
Wooden peg, definitely on a string.
The "master" at it again. God Bless You and Mrs. Engels.
My guess is there was once a padlock that that key fit into, maybe a spare key for it. Even the latch you just remounted to your new door could accommodate such a padlock. Maybe an old Master or Sargent; that key looks a lot like one my grandfather had for a padlock he used.
One of my first thoughts was that it was some kind of good luck charm... Certainly is one now! 👍😁
Key goes to the lock on the flour/sugar bin. That was probably the spare.
That's my story, and i'm sticking to it.
Neat seeing you using the old shoeing hammer!
Thanks Dave
I thought I’d drop you a note I’ve been watching you for a long time and you surely do know what you’re doing and you do very good work so I thought I’d say hi and my parents in the state of Maine where it’s a little bit chilly, and a little bit snow on the ground. Hi hi God bless.
The key to the padlock that secured the hasp on the tailgate
There sure was a lot that went into that old tailgate!
It’s all in the details and the key replacement is important!
Nice work as always well done Dave!
It’s amazing how you can determine the construction by careful inspection.
Another fascinating display , that key might serve a purpose yet . Who knows ? Great video 👍🇬🇧
again an education watching these videos
Great reconstruction of that tailgate.
I recognize that style key from my childhood. I had a bicycle padlock that took a key just like it. I suspect that was the "spare key" for the padlock that kept the door locked. But how you'd get to the spare key if you were outside with it locked would be a real challenge. I liked how you used the hasp hooks over even though you had to add a bit of weld on the rusty one.
it was the key to starting the horse
The key makes me think of really old type of mailbox key found in old post offices.
lm here again! Bunch of great stuff going on here. l wanta go back to 1868 & ride my wagon from ok city to socal.
For aged wood look try Mini-Wax Wood Effects.
Looks good! Maybe the mystery key was to a box or cabinet in the wagon for items he didn’t want anyone helping them self too. Odds are the key was out of sight in a small space with a man’s belongings all over the place?
I knew that the old key was going to go back on the "new" tailgate. Thanks for not disappointing!
Krásná práce
Nicely done! Thank you!
😄👍 The various ageing treatments you've used make it instantly easy on the eye.
thanks..
Looks just like the key to my old (100 years) desk.
Это ключ к женской шкатулке в которых английские дамы хранили свои украшения и драгоценности.
Like that old ford truck should be rolling like that big wheel snanp
Thanks
Could be an extra key... Just in case you lost the first one. 💖🌞🌵😷
I would be curious to see a test board, treated as you have been doing, left outside in a drive shed where it got some exposure to direct sunlight and ambient humidity and occasional blowing rain.